According to new research, by the year 2090 the principle cause of death in Australia will be boredom.

The pink Kombi of happiness of Karon Beach. Photo: Ben Sanders

The cumulative effect of ten decades of social engineering will have turned us into a nation of risk-averse robots who enjoy brisk walks and pepitas and have never done anything foolish or dangerous.

We will be so permanently alive that we will wish we were dead. The days will merge into one, free of fortnightly hangovers, monthly food binges and occasional days spent entirely on the couch, nothing but clear-eyed wellness and crisp outside air.

Despite the ravages of the GFC, being worried about pretty much everything has become one of the biggest growth industries in Australia.

The extent to which life in this supposedly knockabout laissez-faire nation has changed was underscored a few weeks ago during a brief holiday in Thailand. There was an excellent little business near our hotel which, if replicated in Australia, would contravene about seven thousand different laws.

Some enterprising Thai fellow had painted an old Kombi neon pink, cut the roof out of it, decorated it with disco balls, installed a pumping sound system, and turned it into a fully-functioning bar which was groaning under the weight of every spirit known to man. There were about 80 cocktails on the menu. The barman pirouetted about inside the van, free-pouring delicious and deadly drinks which cost a very reasonable $3 a glass and, for the thirstier patron, $9 a bucket.

The Kombi didn’t have a street address – it had just parked itself on the footpath in front of a bunch of tailoring businesses and, at night, they would put out little wooden stools, which after a short while appeared to be spinning around a bit. There was no bathroom. If you asked the barman where you could wee he pointed helpfully over the esplanade in the direction of the Andaman Sea. The kombi had a pet as a mascot, a lactating Labrador which had two puppies, and possibly rabies.

If you tried this sort of stuff on here you’d be prosecuted under statutes covering zoning, noise, the improper use of motor vehicles, failure to provide amenities, the irresponsible service of alcohol, not to mention reckless endangerment from rabid lactating dogs.

At the same time I was holding onto my stool with both hands, the various cancer organisations in Australia were banding together to launch a final, all-out assault on the scourge of alcohol.

The scourge has now ballooned to such an extent that, according to these cancer people, it’s no longer enough to run valid and important campaigns against alcoholism or to target the kind of appalling alcohol-related violence which saw the arrest last weekend of some 1600 drunken morons who give grog a bad name.

Alcohol itself, in any form and any quantity, has now been deemed off limits. The message from the cancer folks now is that you should limit or ideally avoid alcohol altogether, and if you don’t drink, don’t start drinking.

These are the two opening two lines from last month’s position paper from the Cancer Council of Australia on alcohol and cancer risk.

“Any level of alcohol consumption increases the risk of developing an alcohol-related cancer; the level of risk increases in line with the level of consumption,” it reads. “It is estimated that 5070 cases of cancer (or 5 per cent of all cancers) are attributable to long-term, chronic use of alcohol each year in Australia.”

Clearly I am not an oncologist, but as a journalist I’d politely submit that these two paragraphs are what are known in our trade as a non-sequitur. The fact that there are 5070 full-blown raging pissheads who die tragically every year does not mean that everyone who has a glass of white with dinner – or, God forbid, six glasses of wine and a snifter of tokay every couple of weeks - is destined for the gurney.

And here’s a very serious question – has anyone in healthy industry ever sat down and done some proper research on the health benefits of relaxing with family and friends, laughing uproariously, having slightly too much fun, while slightly or even significantly under the influence of the demon drink? Obviously you can do all those things without drinking too, but the solemn message should be that you simply don’t have to.

The research as presented by the Cancer Council also jars with those other surveys we hear about from overseas about the health and wellness benefits of having a couple of glasses of red a day. Unless the Cancer Council and its compatriots have now established that all such past research is incorrect, the public has every right to seek solace in the confusion by purchasing another slab.

As the health industry has exploded in its size and reach it will be interesting to see whether it simply fades away as we all abandon our filthy habits, or whether it keeps itself flushed with cash by finding new dangers, be it the excessive consumption of plums or tabouleh, or the carcinogenic risks from nibbling the end of your biro.

The message that every teat-pipette of alcohol is doing you damage suggests to me that these people have either thrown in their lot with the Salem witch-burners, or have got too much time on their hands and have run out of more serious stuff to warn people about. There may well be a happy medium between the Thai model and the Australian model but I was pretty darned happy at that neon pink Kombi van.

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    • FedUp says:

      06:18am | 17/05/11

      Totally agree Penbo. I didn’t believe the Cancer Council line on alcohol and cancer, unless consumed in huge quantities of course. We are all going to end up like a bunch of dazed robots wandering around with nothing to entertain ourselves with, all in the name of this new ‘health’ religion. I still like the old saying “here for a good time, not a long time”.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:46am | 17/05/11

      Pretty sure if you died in a car accident after getting pissed and killing yourself and the non-drinking family coming the other way your family would think of the saying differently, mate.

    • Missy says:

      12:07pm | 17/05/11

      Yes Michael because clearly that’s what fed up is talking about…

    • St. Michael says:

      12:24pm | 17/05/11

      @ missy: I’m glad you know what FedUp is talking about, because most of the time people who talk about “livin’ large” and “live hard, not long” usually don’t quite realise what the implications of those slogans are for the families around them and who—particularly in the case of parents—have people that will quite literally be separated from them for the rest of their lives because of their desire to go nuts.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:55pm | 17/05/11

      These constant “(fill in the blank) Will Kill You” warnings always remind me of a quote attributed to the late, great, cigar-smoking, whiskey-sipping George Burns, who lived to 100 or pretty damn close to it:
      “Doctors say that to live longer you have to cut out drinking, smoking, red meat, late nights, fat, sugar and salt. You might not LIVE longer, but it will SEEM like longer.”
      I’m also reminded of my grandmother, whose diet incorporated pretty much everything the health nazis tell us will kill us - you know, fat, sugar, salt, cream, cheese, eggs, butter, etc. She also enjoyed the occasional glass or two of beer.  She made it to 93. 
      A little bit of what you fancy does you good, I think. Just keep it in moderation, that’s all.

    • acotrel says:

      01:36pm | 17/05/11

      @Penbo What does the word ‘participation’ mean to you?  Find yourself something you are passionate about and pursue it!  Anyone whio ‘dies of boredom’ should never have been born!  Life has been wasted on them.

    • acotrel says:

      01:45pm | 17/05/11

      When I was a schoolboy alcohol was not recognised as a carcinogen, but as a promoter, which acts in conjuvction with carcinogens.  If you read the materials safety data sheets used throughout industry for hazardous substances, virtually ever chemical is listed as a suspected tumorigen.  The reason is that cancer occurs naturally in every animal population, and the MSDS writers have to cover their own backsides.  Cancer is a ‘stochastic effect’ - it happens by chance. An interesting fact - the only known combination which reliably causes cancer in animal populations is the carcinogen benzo a pyrene in combination with phorbol esters as promoter.  BAP occurs in smoke, and alcohol is a promoter.  So YOU figure it out!

    • acotrel says:

      02:11pm | 17/05/11

      Pretty bloody good sort of research that can distinguish the individual effects of carciniogens and promoters from each other?  Seems like a good way to destroy scientific credibility! I wonder where this bullshit came from Penbo?  Do you have a journal reference?  Formaldehyde is a product of oxidation of methanol in the body.  It does not occur naturally, and it is a listed carcinogen.  Ethanol is oxidised to acetaldehyde, and acetic acid, which occur naturally as part of the Kreb’s cycle, and are not listed as carcinogens.  The claim that alcohol causes cancer sounds like bullshit to me!

    • acotrel says:

      02:16pm | 17/05/11

      @FedUp Cancer can be caused by several small doses of carcinogens, or by one large dose.  If alcohol is itself a carcinogen as opposed to simply being a promoter, it’s possible that it could cause cancer.  But it would be an anazing piece of research to prove it statistically!

    • Missy says:

      02:48pm | 17/05/11

      @St Michael
      Fair enough, the sarcasm on my behalf was unccessary, my point was while I don’t know fed up I highly doubt what he meant by his comment was that he does whatever he wants and dam everyone else. Having to add a disclaimer to everything you say gets a bit tiresom.

      While I agree people who are inately selfish and do the things you have spoken about on here a w@nkers and should have their righ to drink taken away from them punishing the vast majority who don’t harm anyone with their behaviour is wrong.

    • Tim says:

      06:12pm | 17/05/11

      He ‘grabbed his stool with both hands’!? LOL

      No wonder he’s laissez-faire on health code violations!


      ...for the record I agree with this article though.

    • Jemima says:

      06:43am | 17/05/11

      Well said David
      I am completely over scare-mongering research and the journalism that is associated with rocketing these silly stories into my newspaper each day. Treat us all with kiddy gloves because lord knows we are too stupid to make our own decisions.

    • haggis says:

      09:46am | 17/05/11

      Ermmmm ....  why doesn’t our nanny, er,  gubmint do sumfin about it?

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      10:03am | 17/05/11

      This is not the time to outlaw alcohol. Tobacco will be dealt with in the next few years, and only then will the time come for alcohol.

      I can’t wait to start producing moonshine in my shed.

      “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley, science fiction of the past, reality of the future.

    • James1 says:

      12:38pm | 17/05/11

      Wasn’t everyone in that book on drugs?

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      01:00pm | 17/05/11

      Yeah, but soma, the harmless drug with no side effects, has not been invented yet.

    • Ausfire says:

      01:01pm | 17/05/11

      Unlike with tobacco use which represents about 20% of voting age Australians, alcohol use is at a conservative guess would be over 50% of voting age Australians.

      The government can easily upset 20% of the voting population with minimal backlash. But, when you upset more than 50% of the voting population, you are committing political suicide.

      The government (any government) does NOT care about the people it represents, as they just want to stay in power for the (financial) gains associated with being in government.

      If the government did care, then they would attack alcohol use with the same ferocity they are attacking tobacco use.

    • acotrel says:

      01:55pm | 17/05/11

      I’ve had three strokes and a double bypass op due to high cholesterol.  I rarely ever drank during my whole working life.  Do you think my cholesterol would have been lower if I’d had a glass of red wine each night to combat the effects of the stress that released the adrenalin which affected my liver and produced it?  I might have ended up an alcoholic, but I might have also avoided a few very painful experiences?

    • Tom says:

      04:47pm | 17/05/11

      acetrol, you told us your ticker troubles were due to WorkChoices?

    • martinX says:

      08:46pm | 17/05/11

      Acotrel, have you been checked for familial hypercholesterolaemia?

    • James Ricketson says:

      07:02am | 17/05/11

      Not eating or drinking this or that because the latest research says it is bad for us touches on our obsession with longevity - the idea of the good life replaced with a fetishistic desire for as long a life as possible. To eat, drink and be merry and die young (70, say) or to live the last 20 years of your 100 year long life in rude good physical health but having lost most or all of your marbles is the question. Yes, bodily good health enrichens life, but so too do those sins of the flesh shared with others - fueled by too much food, too much alcohol and, if it be your choice, cigarettes and other drugs. Sinning is fun and one of life’s challenges is to learn how to sin in moderation.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:27am | 17/05/11

      Hi James,

      Yes, this is a good discussion to have.  What’s better, 70 great years or 110 boring ones?

      I suppose it comes down to what you love, but it’s especially poignant given the troubles we’re facing with an “ageing” population.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      11:40am | 17/05/11

      I had a similar conversation with Mrs Kerr the other week.  I drink too much and I enjoy eating to the point where for the first time in my life I’m actually putting on weight and waist.

      I sometimes fret about my habits and my expanding waist line but to be honest I don’t see the point in stopping what I enjoy doing just so I can live an extra 10 - 20 years in a nursing home and then die a slow death.

      I could eat less and definitely drink less but then I wouldn’t enjoy life as much as I do now, so why should I stop. Plus I’d much rather die quickly from a massive heart attack rather than lose my faculties and wither slowly and painfully

    • Crumpy Gunt says:

      02:16pm | 17/05/11

      @ Wayne Kerr, similarly. I’ve spoken with Mrs. Gunt, just last night; she has a similar philosophy. Why on earth, at 94kg and at 72, should one reduce one’s sinful proclivities, in order to satisfy the gurus of health, of whom, one might suspect, have a certain obsession with frightening the masses, on each occasion that at the mere suggestion of a fatal flaw in the human gnome, is evidence enough to ring the alarm bells, enough to panic members of the public. In the unlikely event of one’s death, from imbibing in one’s pleasures, I should rather die from a massinve heart attack, ‘on the job’, as one has often heard, colloquially.

    • Pixie says:

      02:30pm | 17/05/11

      I decided long ago that I was here for a good time, not a long time… My biggest fear is living to a ripe old age and being so pathetic and unable to care for myself…AKA no quaility of life.

      My motto:  Life is too short for bad sex and bad food!

    • jag says:

      05:21pm | 17/05/11

      Life is too short for bad sex and bad food!

      There is no bad sex. Just not quite as good smile

    • Coxy says:

      07:14am | 17/05/11

      Alcohol related violence has more to do with the drug ice than is being reported I reckon. Drunk blokes have always had punch ons by not this malicious beat people within and inch of their lives stuff that seems to be going on nowadays. You ask any ambo or nurse in A&E on a Saturday night what people on ice are like and they’ll tell you - violent. Yes maybe it’s a combination of both, but it’s definitely a factor. And heaps of people are on it or some other drug too, how many times have we been a nightclubs and seen three people walk out of the toilet cubicle? As a lover of drinking, I think alcohol is getting a bad wrap when the real culprit is ice

    • SM says:

      08:27am | 17/05/11

      I used to use ice regularly, and during those 5 years I never once acted volently towards anyone.  If anything it had the opposite effect

    • pat says:

      08:57am | 17/05/11

      I am an ambo and I think you’re completely wrong on this one.  Alcohol alone accounts for the bulk of our work friday and sturday nights, and people rarely present with the classic syptoms of stimulant use.  Not saying that ice is good and alcohol is bad, but you are way wrong to think alcohol alone is not the main culprit of anti social behaviour.

    • The Original Oz says:

      09:10am | 17/05/11

      An additional contributor to the “booze fuelled” violence is energy drinks being consumed with booze. These drinks that are high in Guarana and/or caffeine are guzzled by the litre by Gen Y then topped up with booze. Mixing stimulants (energy drinks) with depressants (alcohol) has never been a good thing, but the current generation of young booze hounds has taken it to a whole new level.

    • Markus says:

      09:29am | 17/05/11

      @Oz, the energy drink fear is a fallacy too.
      Most of the guys involved in fights are still drinking the same beer their fathers did.

    • biscuit says:

      02:28pm | 17/05/11

      coxy i think you’ll find people coming out of the toilet cubicle are doing lines of coke, no one would take a glass pipe out to a nightclub with them to smoke ice in the toilets, those things are hard to come by and easily broken smile in most cases ice users do so in the comfort of their homes

    • SM says:

      02:38pm | 17/05/11

      Have another Rum, Coxy

    • Edward James says:

      07:22am | 17/05/11

      There once was a book kept on top of the toilet cistern, Its title was Stay fit and healthy until your dead. Many of us take no notice of advice until it is too late! As for grog I take my empty largies to the tip by the utility load averaging two loads each year. Luv the flip to mobile bar!

    • NEFFA says:

      09:20am | 17/05/11

      Italian proverb:

      “why live like an invalid only to die a healthy man?”

    • hermano says:

      10:59am | 17/05/11

      Consider donating your empty tallies to your local homebrewer.  He’ll be forever grateful and will likely pay you in full bottles.

    • dw says:

      11:09am | 17/05/11

      That book was hilarious.

      the author, Dave Barry, also wrote “Marriage and/or Sex”

    • Edward James says:

      04:23pm | 17/05/11

      @ hermano says: 10:59am | 17/05/11 I understand the old school home brewers want the bottles made before twist tops. Though I believe the crown seal thingy still works just as well if one whacks it just right l.  Ed 0243419140

    • Robinoz says:

      07:22am | 17/05/11

      What a great article ... I loved the opening sentence. “According to new research, by the year 2090 the principle cause of death in Australia will be boredom.”

      Who really gives a rat’s arse about research into this and that? Those of us who CAN die are the lucky ones; among millions of spermatazoa, ours made the target and produced us. The others missed out. Moderation is the key. Do a bit of everything, but not too much of anything and life rolls along quite well. Boredom is not an option.

    • Rossco says:

      07:37am | 17/05/11

      Excellent article Penbo, all their message does is serve to demonise the vast majority of Australia who enjoy a drink (even once a while). I will not be supporting the Cancer Council of Australia with donations from now on.

    • Alison says:

      08:07am | 17/05/11

      We need to donate MORE to the Cancer Council because once they discover a cure for cancer we can drink and smoke all we like without the fear of getting cancer!

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:20am | 17/05/11

      @Alison, why on earth would CCA cure cancer?  Then they’re out of a job.

    • julie says:

      09:09am | 17/05/11

      I liken these charities to organised religions. They’re here to beat you about with a big stick and try and guilt you into action/inaction to suit themselves….  it’s all fear-mongering ... and i dont give to charities that do that either.

    • Front Row says:

      07:34pm | 17/05/11

      I’m with you Rosco.
      I have taken them permanently from my regular list and will no longer support anything associated with them.
      I’ll give my vote to whichever political party reigns in these power-freaking do-gooders.  To think of the goodwill these careerists are squandering…. how much do the various state Cancer Council CEOs get paid to run this political crap on behalf of the Public Health fiefdoms?
      Pathetic.  Stop donating if you care about freedom.

    • Gladys says:

      08:06am | 17/05/11

      What’s a pepita?

    • adie says:

      08:51am | 17/05/11

      pumpkin seeds, i think.

    • mle says:

      08:56am | 17/05/11

      pumpkin seed.

    • Edward James says:

      09:06am | 17/05/11

      A “pipette” is a tool used by chemist to dispense precise amounts of liquid into beakers. Can also be used to dole out straight alcohol for those parting in the lab after work!

    • Clever drunk says:

      07:21pm | 17/05/11

      Asked and answered

    • Macca says:

      08:09am | 17/05/11

      Agreed Penbo.

      To whom it may concern, including the IPCC, Cancer Council, ALP State Governments, ALP Federal Governments, the ABC, Greenpeace, Friends of the Forest, Tim Flannery, Clover Moore and Paul Howes, leave us alone. You don’t know better than us, let us run our own lives.

    • Reggie says:

      08:11am | 17/05/11

      Every time I mention in this place, having consumed a few reds, all the wowsers crawl out of the wood-work and unjustifiably accuse me of being an alcoholic. I notice they never attack MarK who admits he is. Here’s a MarKish Hahahahahahahaha.

      I have just finished reading The Steven Fry Chronicles and I am so pleased to find that his values of concentrated effort balanced by indulgence, parallel mine. I also vaguely recall writing to a lady vintner in SA several days ago expressing my appreciation of her wonderful art. I hope I didn’t get too enthusiastic but it was a moment of alcoholic appreciation. 

      I think death from boredom is likely to afflict many of the contributors to this place if they don’t manage to take a broader look at society. Assuming of course that Erick’s inputs are a reliable long term indicator. 

      OH NOooooo Sophie’s head just popped up. Spare US.

    • JW says:

      08:12am | 17/05/11

      You seriously want to attack the cancer council for stating the fact that alcohol is a carcinogen? Pathetic. People deserve to know the truth, then they can make their own decisions.

    • julie says:

      09:13am | 17/05/11

      pffft.  who says its the truth?  a body producing a study to justify their existence and donations?  You know the truth for yourself about what you want to do, how you want to live your life, what you put in your body.  You dont need anyone else to confirm those decisions. Information on alcohol and what it is has been around for donkey’s years. It’s not updating us on any startling new revelations.

    • ABC says:

      09:36am | 17/05/11

      According to some research my twice daily swirling of Listerine increases the likelihood of mouth cancer.  Likewise, the burnt bits of your toast are potentially carcinogens - am I suppposed to refrain from good dental hygiene, or not eat the yummy crispy brown bits on my morning spaghetti toastie toastie - on the very, very slight chance (read - pretty negligble in real statistical terms), that potentially they may have some as yet unquantifiable yet miniscule carcinogenic effect.

      While we are at it, let’s all stop using mobile phones, microwaves and stop getting x-rays and scans.

    • fml says:

      10:41am | 17/05/11

      Lets write an article on how the sun causes cancer, and then see all the people asking for the sun to be banned in australia.

      Soon enough australia will be living in darkness.

    • Dmac says:

      01:24pm | 17/05/11

      ABC- Yes your listerine swilling habit may lead to cancer - why? Because it contains alcohol!

      Julie, the study was not done by the cancer council they merely cited it, so your argument is null and void.  Also by your logic people should never be informed of potential risks - after all they know what they want to do with their bodies.

      fml - there are hundred of articles about how the sun causes cancer, and as a result people have been made aware of precautions to take in order to lower the risks. 

      This piece from the cancer council is simply informing people about the risks involved - penbo clearly hasn’t read the actual study as it is not just alcoholics who are affected by this - it is people who regularly partake.

    • Kika says:

      02:12pm | 17/05/11

      What about all the anti-oxidants in red wine that they were saying a while back that oxides cancer cells? Explain? I don’t get it. Actually I do get it. LIFE gives you cancer. Cancer is just part of the being an animal. We have cells that constantly die and grow that it’s quite easy to believe a few will go nuts every now and then.

      Birds get cancer. They don’t drink alcohol. Dogs get cancer. They don’t either. Well, I know of a few. But one quickly learned getting drunk isn’t fun. Cats, rats, mice, horses, cows, pigs, kangaroos, koalas, chimps. We ALL get cancer and it’s not just because of how we choose to live our lives of drinking, smoking, flying on aeroplanes, eating meat. It’s just life.

    • Gladys says:

      08:14am | 17/05/11

      Fully agree, Penbo. I went to a colon specialist because my aunt had bowel cancer in her 30s. As I am in my 30s I thought I should go and see a colon specialist.

      I told him I had 375ml of red wine each night and no alcohol free days. He asked me why 375ml. I said it is exactly half a bottle and my husband has the other half. He asked me if I wanted to drink more. Of course I said. But I was limiting myself to 375ml in the interests of fairness and that vow I took to share or something like that.

      He suggested I was an alcoholic. I became alarmed. Am i? Am I unable to have an alcohol free day? No. I gave up for the month of February and didn’t feel any different. Saved about $15 a day in wine though.

      This doctor also said I wasn’t a risk of bowel cancer from a family point of view but my drinking and told me I was wasting my time if I wasn’t going to have one standard drink a day and two AFDs a week.

      This dour character had an empty waiting room and time to run over in lecturing me so I wonder if he’s done the same thing to all his other patients.

      My aunt with bowel cancer was a tea totaller. However she did live in Mt Isa so I wonder if the lead got into her bowel.

      And that reminds me, half of the world drank tea to ensure their water wasn’t contaminated when they drank it the other half drank alcohol.

    • iansand says:

      08:53am | 17/05/11

      This reminds me of a friend who will only go to overweight doctors so they cannot claim the high moral ground.  My doctor runs marathons but said that, during the Paris marathon, he was going to stop for a beer at a cafe on the Champs Elysee.  I like his sense of balance.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:23am | 17/05/11

      @iansand, I’ve got a friend who does the various runs in Sydney every year, and after each one it’s straight to the pub for a beer afterwards.

    • Missy says:

      12:12pm | 17/05/11

      “I told him I had 375ml of red wine each night and no alcohol free days. He asked me why 375ml. I said it is exactly half a bottle and my husband has the other half. He asked me if I wanted to drink more. Of course I said. But I was limiting myself to 375ml in the interests of fairness and that vow I took to share or something like that.”

      This was my favourite part. smile

    • PatC says:

      12:16pm | 17/05/11

      @iansand
      I read somewhere that there are no marathon runners represented in the statistics of all the people that live to be 100.

      Can’t remember where I read it though - maybe too many beer stops and not enough marathons.

    • Gladys says:

      01:40pm | 17/05/11

      @ Iansand: This guy made a point of telling me he ran 10km every day. But I doubt he’d let the demon drink touch his temperate lips.

      Prig is a word which comes to mind when i think of him.

    • djc says:

      08:14am | 17/05/11

      While a little alcohol is pleasant enough, a lot does cause problems. I’ve seen many marriages, relationships with your own kids, and promising careers pissed down the toilet. Besides, I’m getting a bit tired of my hard-earned taxes funding police and health people who mop up up after those who put the consequences of their actions on others.

    • drinker says:

      08:51am | 17/05/11

      djc, people like you are why we’re in this mess in the first place.

    • null says:

      01:10pm | 17/05/11

      I hear you djc….I have seen first hand sanctimonous hang wringing know-it-alls lose their friends, their partner and certainly their teenage kids.  If only the government would step in and tell thenm not to tell others what to do.  Then maybe my tax dollars could be directed away from all those wasteful ‘government educational programs’ and back onto more important things like lowering the tax rate on grog and aboloshing the WET (Wine Equalisation Tax for the uninitiated)

    • VVS says:

      08:16am | 17/05/11

      That Kombi bar sounds like one of the most awesome things ever…

      Part of the problem is that, as a whole, we are not a cool enough country to embrace such awesomeness… just look at our politicians for chrissake

    • grumpy old man says:

      08:20am | 17/05/11

      Its our choice whether we choose to listen to all the so called experts and their dire predictions, which are largely the produce of an overly specialized world where everyone is an expert at something and a master of nothing. The best approach in my humble view is to ignore the bastards, live life like you stole it, look after your friends and family and sod the consequences. Anything else leads to premature death by boredom.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      11:35am | 17/05/11

      “The best approach in my humble view is to ignore the bastards, live life like you stole it, look after your friends and family and sod the consequences.”

      I like this smile

    • St. Michael says:

      11:44am | 17/05/11

      Given most of our youth are living exactly like this, and most grumpy old men are criticising them for their behaviour and for the death toll of innocent people that comes from it, I’d say this is a pretty crap argument, actually.

      I doubt very much that grumpy old man got to be a grumpy old man by being out drag racing on the streets with six beers in him with his mates in cars that are now several times more powerful than the shitty old Kingswoods around when he was a kid.

    • TheSlimeGod says:

      02:53pm | 06/07/11

      St Michael, we get it.  You have had some tragic history with drink-driving and now you want to bring it up in alcohol related articles so that people know the dangers of drink-driving.  You can stop telling us how wicked we are for not stopping morons from drink-driving and killing innocents - it’s really tired, man.  Just because someone is talking about alcohol doesn’t mean they are going to skoll a bottle of JD, get into their Commodore, drive to your house and run over your family.

      Relax a little man.  Hell, I’d even suggest you have a drink.  Or try a joint if you’re so concerned about booze.  Just take the pole out of your backside already, please.

    • Huey says:

      08:57am | 17/05/11

      Willing to bet Alcohol is the prime cause of a lot more deaths, injuries, sickness, violence and misery than cancer is in this country. That said, in my own life it’s only downside has been cost and a few cases of near terminal embarrasment. Alcohol also generates a lot of really bad ideas… in fact someone should undertake a search for really good ideas had when drunk.

    • PatC says:

      12:20pm | 17/05/11

      I’m not sure that alcohol produces really bad ideas. I’ve had some excellent ideas after a number of ales.

      It was only after the alcohol was gone from my system that the ideas turned bad.

    • Gerard says:

      07:40pm | 17/05/11

      “someone should undertake a search for really good ideas had when drunk.”


      Try reading some Hemingway.

    • Truthseeker says:

      08:58am | 17/05/11

      If your happiness relies on alcohol I pity you.

    • Monty says:

      10:37am | 17/05/11

      I agree…well stated old boy!

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      11:38am | 17/05/11

      “If your happiness relies on alcohol I pity you. “

      Yes, ok, but I think we all pity alcoholics.  What exactly are you trying to add to this?  Oh, I see, you’re trying to imply that anyone who drinks at all only does so because they cannot be happy otherwise.  What an absolutely silly view that is completely without merit.

    • MarK says:

      11:45am | 17/05/11

      I don’t want your pity.

      And Tim an alcoholics whole life revolves around the grog. Not only the happiness but everything else.

    • Beat it out of them says:

      12:20pm | 17/05/11

      Not everyone pities the alcoholic
      Some like to lay the boot in to give them the beating they deserve.

    • MarK says:

      01:53pm | 17/05/11

      ”  Beat it out of them says:

        12:20pm | 17/05/11

        Not everyone pities the alcoholic
        Some like to lay the boot in to give them the beating they deserve.”

      What a particularly cowardly post.

      I do so attract the weird and wonderful. It gives me joy actually to know my message gets through and cuts to the quick so deeply.

      Really Punch staff perhaps not publishing threats of violence would be better? Or failing that matching IP addresses to expose the usual names of the cowards that write them and letting us know?

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      02:29pm | 17/05/11

      “I don’t want your pity.”

      I wasn’t aware you had to want it in order for me to feel it.  I’ll be sure to ask everyone afflicted by every condition about how I should feel before I do so in the future.

      I’d hate to think how poor old Pippa Middleton feels right now if she knew what a bunch of people are feeling about her.  But then, should she have the right to feel any way about it without the permission of those she’s feeling that towards?!  Gah!

    • MarK says:

      04:00pm | 17/05/11

      Interesting Tim.

      I wasn’t aware I had to sit here silent while you share your feelings with the rest of us.

      How very American of you. Pity away if it makes you feel any better about yourself.

      Anything else you would like to share since so far you have not made a point worth 5 cents?

    • Syl says:

      05:28pm | 17/05/11

      If you think that everyone who enjoys a drink occasionally requires alcohol for happiness I pity you.

    • The Badger says:

      05:52pm | 17/05/11

      I pity mark but not for his battle with alcoholism.
      I pity mark for his political myopia and the demons that wander unattended in his psyche.

    • Gerard says:

      07:59pm | 17/05/11

      “If your happiness relies on alcohol I pity you”

      My happiness does not rely on alcohol; it relies on personal autonomy. The freedom to make decisions for myself and take the credit or the backlash as deserved. I will decide what risks are worth taking, not some power-obsessed politician or faceless bureaucrat in a government department somewhere.

    • MarK says:

      08:47pm | 17/05/11

      I am sort of worried about Badger. Like he has a man crush on me.

      Thinking about someone on the internet is quite weird tbh. What a strange person.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:00am | 17/05/11

      Well said.  I try to look after myself most of the time, but if you can’t indulge now and then in a drink or two or too much chocolate, what’s the point?

      Oh, and I am so looking for that Kombi van next week… wink

    • fairsfair says:

      10:34am | 17/05/11

      I agree. Why deprive yourself of the joys in life when you could be dead tomorrow? I know that is a cliche, but it is true.

      My father has never smoked. He used to drink quite heavily, but gave up on 20.02.1996 (the day I gave up sucking my thumb, we did it together). Gave up completely. Not even a rum ball at Christmas. In 2003 he had a massive stroke and now can’t work or use the right side of his body. He now drinks again (resumed 20.02.2006) because he enjoys a beer after he finishes mowing 3 acres of grass - it is a considerable achievement push mowing around a thousand trees when you can only fully control the muscles in one side of your body. I’ve tried - I cramped up and it was horrible. Dad no longer gives a crap because his stroke was caused by a genetic blood disorder that I have inherited. Do I worry every day that I might have a stroke, maybe, but I can’t control it. Just like people who don’t smoke still get cancer and skinny people have heart attacks.

      I certainly don’t profess that a life of gluttony and consumption is the way to go - but I refuse to deprive myself of little pleasures when on top of all of that, I could get hit by a Wicked Van when I go to get my full fat full caffeine latte. (oh and just for the record, I didn’t resume sucking my thumb on 20.02.2006 wink)

    • Elphaba says:

      11:50am | 17/05/11

      @fairsfair, exactly.  My doc praised me on my weight loss the other day, but said that a little indulgence is always important too.

      The do-gooders are not going to rest until we’re locked up in old folks homes at 90, dying of nothing, with our faculties gone.  No thanks. I have to have a bit of balance.

    • Matt says:

      09:02am | 17/05/11

      Sounds a bit like AGW.

    • Fill says:

      12:23pm | 17/05/11

      Too true
      People are in denial about that as well.

    • pat says:

      09:04am | 17/05/11

      Penbo it was only a few months ago you were on here saying that the penalties for pot use should be increased because of it’s link to schizophrenia…. but now the topic is alcohol and you’re a libitarian.  Can we perhaps just agree that people can and will put whatever substances they want into their bodies and should accept the risks associated whether it be cancer or mental illness.

    • Rita says:

      09:10am | 17/05/11

      OMG! I totally agree. I have been saying this for years. Particularly to my ever-conservative, health conscious mother-in-law who has just been diagnosed with..wait for it…breast cancer! As for myself, haven’t been sick in years. Have regular check ups just in case my years of self-abuse decides to catch up with me, and alas! everything is perfect. Laughter and fun is the key.

    • Alcohol causes cancer - really? says:

      09:18am | 17/05/11

      Sometimes I think that we give too much money to academics to fund studies and research into drugs like alcohol. Billions of dollars are given to produce gems like this
      “Change the Drinking Culture of Young Australians will be considered on Tuesday (21 June) as binge drinking has increasingly become a major health issue for all Australians, particularly young people. New research estimates the total economic impact of alcohol is $36 billion annually, more than double previous estimates. ”

      Studies can be and often are twisted to produce pre defined outcomes for the suppliers of the funds. This seems to work for most topics, although it appears you can’t do a study that disproves AGW and this in spite of the fact that C02 producers have very deep pockets. Almost as deep as the miners.

      This latest offering from the cancer people is just a scare tactic put together and marketed by academics on behalf of government in order to continue riding the drugs are bad gravy train.

    • Michael says:

      09:19am | 17/05/11

      Thing is, it’s not alcohol that’s the real issue here: it’s EXCESS alcohol. People unsing alcohol abuse as an excuse for doing things they should not do at all - drunk, sober or stoned. I’d go a step further and say that we should not even blame the excess alcohol consumtion for the problems, but rather the d1ckheads doing the violent and/or stupid things they do.

      I guess what I’m really saying is we should hold people responsible for their actions no matter how drunk or stoned they might make themselves. Getting drunk/stoned is a choice. If that makes subsequent choices more difficult, whose stupid fault is that?

    • Justin says:

      09:43am | 17/05/11

      Imagine if that Kombi van was selling BBQ sausages too?

    • Leigh says:

      10:46am | 17/05/11

      oooohhhh, cheese kransky’s would be the go

      makes me want to book a holiday, that kombi should be in a brochure somewhere

    • Sales says:

      12:27pm | 17/05/11

      Yes,
      Good idea - Cheese kransky’s full of god knows what from an anonymous street stall in Thailand.
      I expect you haven’t travelled much in Asia. If you had, you probably wouldn’t be around now.

    • rold says:

      10:03am | 17/05/11

      People should have a right to put whatever toxins they want in their own body??

      A 19-year-old female friend of mine has developed permanent brain damage from a drunken incident. She drank too much at a party. Where were her parents, you ask? They were like you guys - thought the experts should shut up and let people have fun if they want to have fun.

    • Burko says:

      11:22am | 17/05/11

      Sorry about that Rold, thats bad news,really, but how does that have any relevance to alcohol causing cancer?

    • Mike says:

      11:36am | 17/05/11

      While that’s a tragic accident with horrible consequences, I’m not sure what your point is - 19 year olds shouldn’t be able to make their own decisions?

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      11:47am | 17/05/11

      “A 19-year-old female friend of mine has developed permanent brain damage from a drunken incident.”

      Terrible, but, what if she had died walking to work and had a tree fall on her?  Should we cut down all trees, or ban people walking to work…tough one.  Or if she stepped out in front of a car without looking?  Should be ban walking, or cars?  Or if she ate at a restaurant and got food poisoning which resulted in brain damage…do we ban eating unless food is prepared in a government approved restaurant watched over by government approved health inspectors?

      No, we don’t do any of these things because it would be a stupid overreaction.  Bad things happen.  Some activities increase the chance of bad things…the thing is, they usually also increase the chance of good things (which is why people do them…as a rule, people don’t keep pursuing things that are bad).  We play a balance in everything in life, and as adults, we are responsible for our choices and risk assessments.  It must be that way, unless you want us all locked up with every action subject to scrutiny and approval.

    • grumpy says:

      03:29pm | 17/05/11

      He’s not saying that, hes saying that our culture gives false belief that alcohol, because its not illegal, is not that bad and you will “probably” be ok if you drink it. What happened to this girl could easily happen to anyone. Big cups with too much spirits in them with a mixer.

      http://www.dassa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=88

      - this page says, and i qoute, “alcohol misuse costs the Australian community 15.3 billion dollars each year when factors such as crime and violence, treatment costs, loss of productivity and premature death were taken into account [1]”.

      So while the police are busy giving out drinking in dryzone fines and baby sitting your drunk kids think about that. Over use of alcohol will reduce our liberties. It doesnt happen to everyone, but it does happen.

    • Chris Richardson says:

      10:08am | 17/05/11

      Penbo - this post is just an anti-science rant! There are so many non-sequiturs (“as we say in the trade” !)  and straw-men in your own “arguments” that it’s nearly embarrassing for you. Science is just about discovering facts about the world - if you think there is some kind of political or Orwellian agenda at work in discovering these facts, you need to go an suck on a big anti-paranoia pipe!

      The “cancer folks” are just sayin’ that there is some evidence to suggest alcohol is a poison, and any level of consumption carries a risk! The 5070 may not have been “raging pissheads” and indeed just because they contracted cancer doesn’t mean YOU definitely will even if you drink heavily. Just as smoking a cigarette or even having a habit for many years doesn’t ENSURE you will contract lung cancer.

      Ranting about the facts of the world is just silly. Imagine if one our pastimes was to throw ourselves of high objects just for fun. Some people die sure, but there’s no reason for someone to be a spoilsport about it! Don’t need some beaker-head making the point that gravity is a force that causes bodies falling from heights to accelerate to a point where they’re likely to exceed their breaking points! Not everyone dies so leave them alone!

      At the end of the day there is a lot we don’t know about the universe, but ranting and raving about discoveries that undermine your personal dogmas and habits is exactly the kind of idiocy that underpins a lot of stupid decision-making and dangerous behaviours, not to mention bigotry and intolerance.

    • Lisa H. says:

      11:32am | 17/05/11

      What an incredibly well-written post!
      A journalist should be about upholding the truth, remember Penbo?
      Otherwise you’re just a propaganda machine.

      Your beef is more with government regulation and the over-bureaucratisation of Australia rather than with scientists just doing their job.

      Unless the science is bad… any legitimate research coming up against the Cancer Council’s findings? Evidence of rewritten research, to gain more funding?
      No?

      Well, shut up then. Or direct your story in the direction that matters… the over-regulation of Australian life.

    • Bobster says:

      11:43am | 17/05/11

      You noticed that, did you? Well done.

      You don’t think the breathless over the top howls of the anti-smoking/anti-drinking/anti-meat-pie/anti-cuddly-little-kittens-because-they-have-claws lobbies might be deserving of a little bit of a kicking for their constant hysteria?

    • KR says:

      12:57pm | 17/05/11

      But the science is tainted by the way it has been reported, and the agenda is very clear. The analysis should take into account competing risks. The interesting question is not how many cases of cancer would be prevented if alcohol wasn’t consumed, but how long the average life span would increase. This never seems to be quoted because the increase is probably insignificant. Alcohol is only one risk amongst many; those 5070 people don’t necessarily all get another 20 years, they simply die of something else.

    • Glen says:

      10:18am | 17/05/11

      I won’t hold anything against an objective scientist or researcher. It’s the biased pricks funded by interest groups that are the problem - a la the climate change lobby.

      Some people are advocating an outright ban on smoking. What’s next alcohol? Organised crime must be rubbing their hands with glee - why continue in the dangerous illicit drugs business when the less risky fags and booze industry is up for grabs.

      The leftist do-gooders in this country really are the root of all evil. GOD I HATE THEM! Damn hippies as Cartman would say.

    • Bobster says:

      12:23pm | 17/05/11

      Just to set myself straight, a leftist, by your measure, is anyone who disagrees with you, right?

      Define leftist, as you see it.

    • Que says:

      11:11am | 17/05/11

      1-2 glasses of alcohol reduces risk of heart attack by 20-25%. Dozens of studies have shown this (I am a cardiologist btw). Choose you poison - heart attacks or cancer.

      There are too many advocacy groups in this country all trying to push for more funding. They have learnt well from the IPCC - the masters of guilt and spin. Heart foundation approving foods like coco-pops and McDonalds is appalling, but the when the price is right,...

    • Chris Richardson says:

      11:32am | 17/05/11

      “Choose you poison - heart attacks or cancer.”

      Sorry Que but that’s obviously a false dichotomy - there are other ways to reduce your risk of heart disease. If it turns out that, at any dose, alcohol increases the risk of cancer, then a healthy diet and exercise could be a good alternative.

    • Bobster says:

      11:48am | 17/05/11

      Chris Richardson,

      You’re going to die. Reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease to zero if you want. It won’t help.

      You might live to be 200 but eventually your ancient, immobile arse is going to get hit by a truck.

    • Que says:

      12:15pm | 17/05/11

      @Chris Richardson.
      The benefit of alcohol is above and beyond all other measures I and my colleagues use everyday to reduce our patient’s risk (including exercise and good diet). Patients are always shocked when they find out they have heart disease despite a very good lifestyle approach. 25% risk reduction is nothing to be sneezed at.

      While cancer rates may increase with alcohol intake, what was the overall mortality rate is these patients? Was there no net effect on mortality/morbidity for example? 

      Statistics is a complicated thing and this media release of the cancer councils smells of a simplified message designed to garner financial support.

    • Chris Richardson says:

      12:20pm | 17/05/11

      I’m sure your point is very profound Bobster….

    • Bobster says:

      12:28pm | 17/05/11

      Let me know how the quest for immortality goes.

    • Chris Richardson says:

      01:07pm | 17/05/11

      I’m fairly sure though, Que, that as a cardiologist you’re not recommending to your non-drinking patients that they take up moderate alcohol consumption. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that’s a recommendation from any robust cardiological body that I know about. If a drug came out that reduced heart disease, but increased cancer, then the cardiological community wouldn’t be rushing to introduce it.

      My beef about Penbo’s article was simply it’s anti-intellectual, anti-scientific theme - the kind of “where just out here trying to have a good time and the Man is always trying to bring us down” paranoia that is so illogical and anti-medical that it’s toxic to any rational discussion about the real risks of the behaviours we engage in. I’m not suggesting we BAN alcohol (I have the odd drop myself - sometimes to excess). I’m not suggesting everyone needs to pay attention to the latest research about stuff - but I do object to this kind of lazy indignation from Penbo which is clearly designed to spark a feeding frenzy of nonsensical raving, such as The Bobsters thoughtful comments, previously noted.

      If Penbo’s beef was with some kind of perceived Cancer Council ideology (as it seems yours is) then he could have left all the crazy ranting out, and made some valid points about it.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      01:23pm | 17/05/11

      This is the advice on the National Heart Foundation’s website (http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/your-heart/cardiovascular-conditions/Pages/heart-failure.aspx):
      Limit your alcohol intake
      Alcohol can damage your heart. Talk to your doctor about whether or not you should drink alcohol. Your doctor may ask you to stop or limit your drinking.

      Don’t drink more than one to two standard drinks of alcohol a day. If your heart failure has been caused by alcohol, stop drinking altogether.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      01:29pm | 17/05/11

      And the Cancer Council queries the earlier research re the heart health benefits of alcohol, particularly as there have been no randomised controlled trials into alcohol’s protective benefits.
      The CCA suggests that the studies misclassify as “non drinkers” people who are actually “former drinkers” and have given up for reasons such as ill-health or becoming older. These people are more likely to have heart disease than younger, healthier people who may be classified as “drinkers”, skewing the results.

    • Bobster says:

      01:57pm | 17/05/11

      It’s about perspective you interfering prat. His point was that you can’t fart in this country without first applying for a license from the EPA.

      Substitute the words Cancer Council in this piece with Chris Richardson and the point remains just as valid.

      Believe it or not, our overly bureaucratic approach to everything in this country is not the only thing standing between civil society and chaos.

      Hundreds of other countries can sell you a beer on the street without risking rapidly ensuing anarchy. Just because excess is bad doesn’t require an excess of health warnings and government programs.

      Personal responsibility would be nice but that’s never going to work in a world where dickheads run around claiming the one death is one death too many.

      People die. People die for all sorts of reasons and all the lobbying and advertising in the world isn’t going to change it.

      So stop pissing and moaning and let us enjoy our beer in peace.

    • Que says:

      02:27pm | 17/05/11

      @Rover of North Cooma @Chris Richardson.

      Yes you should NOT drink a drop of alcohol IF you have heart failure or left ventricular dysfunction or AF. That is a separate issue to alcohol and reduction of myocardial infarction. i.e. not all heart disease is the same.

      In addition, the standard advice (and my advice) is not to take up drinking if you don’t already drink. This does not mean that the evidence that 1-2 drinks / day reduces cardiovascular events is incorrect.

      Try: Pearson, Thomas A. “Alcohol and Heart Disease.” “Circulation 1996;94:3023-3025”. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/94/11/3023.

      = increasing does of alcohol decreases risk of heart attack. This is incorporated in guidelines for cardiologists.

      This is the problem when lay-people grab at headlines in isolation and do not understand the context of isolated research.

      And @Chris Richardson, no I am not on a anti-council rant. I have worked for several Heart Foundations (including in Europe) and know exactly how these organisations carefully craft media releases to garner maximal media attention for fund raising and donations.

    • Que says:

      02:30pm | 17/05/11

      Even more,...

      The American Heart Association has reported that “More than a dozen prospective studies have demonstrated a consistent, strong, dose-response relation between increasing alcohol consumption and decreasing incidence of CHD (coronary heart disease). The data are similar in men and women in a number of different geographic and ethnic groups. Consumption of one or two drinks per day is associated with a reduction in risk of approximately 30% to 50%”.[

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      02:46pm | 17/05/11

      Que that’s a relief. Because while I read the literature, I don’t follow any of the advice myself.

    • Chris Richardson says:

      03:20pm | 17/05/11

      Hi Que…I think you and I largely agree (but keep butting heads). I’m not doubting the evidence on alcohol and ischaemic heart disease. The Pearson paper also of course talks about increasing alcohol consumption and overall mortality where there is a j-curve there with people drinking one to two standards drinks per day (which is 10 - 20 grams of alcohol) having the lowest overall mortality. The point being that there is an official narrow band of safe alcohol consumption already out there, which I would respectfully suggest is already way lower than what most drinkers would consider a safe dose.

      I’m aware that the cancer council is not an academic body and has it’s own funding agenda in mind. As far as I can see though, all they’re doing is pointing to a growing body of respectable evidence that, WITH RESPECT TO CANCER, there is no safe dose of alcohol. My beef with Penbo, and the “don’t be a wowser” crowd is that they’re not interested in carefully looking at evidence. They’re interested in science that supports their dogma, and they’re dismissive of science that undermines their dogma. And they have an ignorant, paranoid view that anyone who talks about evidence they don’t like, should be shouted down - they are, effectively, about censorship. And they are most definitely, paranoidly, anti-science.

      In my view Penbo’s post fits this bill, and, in my view, this is not responsible, or useful, or funny, or informative journalism. So it deserves criticism along those lines.

    • Bobster says:

      11:26am | 17/05/11

      Here here Penbo.

      Just spent a couple of weeks in the same area and it occured to me (whilst drinking beer and shooting at bottles with an M16) that our view of ourselves as a free and easy going nation are somewhat trumped up.

      I hired a motorbike and hurtled, unlicensed, through the streets of a major city for a few hours to contemplate it further.

      Then I bought a bottle of vodka for $3 and a packet of smokes for 95 cents and drank myself to sleep in a train. By this stage, my faith in our current system was becoming pretty shakey.

      Arrived back in Oz on Saturday and sat outside a pub while four security guards, three police officers and two members of hotel management assured a relatively sober man that society would begin to unravel at the edges if he continued to wait for a taxi while standing within the licensed hotel area.

      It is, despite the lack of cheap booze, smokes and guns, reassuring to know Australia has its priorities in order.

    • Nigel says:

      01:22pm | 17/05/11

      A good post Bobster but please; please learn to spell, ‘hear, hear’.

    • Bobster says:

      01:43pm | 17/05/11

      Yeah, yeah. Saw that straight away.

      It’s an unfamiliar term for me. I rarely applaud and try to be as disagreeable as possible as often as possible.

      I can assure you, I am suitably contrite.

    • RyaN says:

      11:32am | 17/05/11

      Soon we will be like “the matrix” born then plugged in to be controlled entirely by the government. This is Labor utopia I am sure, they would love nothing more than to own you in every way.

    • Grumpy says:

      03:05pm | 17/05/11

      Yup, thats why I think we need to press our governments to legislate that the internet is important part of our human rights and should never be censored. Its to important to our freedom.

    • P.G says:

      11:36am | 17/05/11

      Cheers Penbo, hard to turn on any form of media these days without the nanny state telling us all how to live, where to go, what to eat, what to drink ...

    • A recent Kombi aficionado says:

      11:43am | 17/05/11

      I love that the council quote starts with” Any level of alcohol consumption increases the risk of developing an alcohol-related cancer” Might as well start with ” Every death increases the number of deaths”. What is wrong with the world these days, will drink go the way of fireworks in our nations capital? Maybe in the future there will be hedonistic trips to Thailand where this is the only bastion accessible by Australians to dink, be merry and let fireworks off on the beach! At least the Council will be back in oz determining if potatoes should now be banned.

    • Flabbergasted says:

      03:19pm | 18/05/11

      With regard to your Comment “Every death increases the number of deaths”....well of course it does. If someone dies the number of deaths will obviously increase by one. What incredible insight!! (PS, this is sarcasm, in case you didn’t realize that).
      Yobbo’s like you are the reason we have so much regulation here in Australia!
      A friend of mine recently went to Thailand and in a drunken act of stupidity tried to take a photo of a firework rocket in flight. Standing on the beach one meter away, he nearly had his head blown off ! While he was lucky this time, it certainly does highlight the need for both Firework and Alcohol regulation.

    • A recent Kombi aficionado says:

      01:53pm | 20/05/11

      Well Thankyou Flabbergasted for your insight, I left reading your post with heighnetend sense of self awareness, maybe this is the problem. I have turned a corner and have found that over regulation is a good thing, lucky the legal system is catching up and following the US system. Soon i will be able to sue the governemnt for my blown off hand and my alcohol related cancer, but only because it was the goverments fault that it did not tell me not to do those things (even though they knew they were dangerous) sooner.

      Thankyou agan for putting me in the Yobbo box, I will be happy to be with the kids having fun!

    • iansand says:

      11:51am | 17/05/11

      If god had meant us to be teetotal he would never have given us livers.

    • MarK says:

      11:51am | 17/05/11

      What an interesting piece. Apart from glaring oversimplifications and generalisations you could sub in the IPCC for the cancer councils and AGW for alcohol.

      Then you might get why so many of us that care about the environment are dismayed by the ridiculous statements made by the AGW zealots.

      Back on the actual topic though it does seem that Peno wants to assuage his own guilt a bit and he doth protesteth too much. Still meh, enjoy a drink if you can. Half your luck.

    • Bobster says:

      12:00pm | 17/05/11

      Oi, you. Back on topic.

    • Tim says:

      12:03pm | 17/05/11

      You’re trying to link AGW to this article?
      Really? No, Really?

    • Buster says:

      12:29pm | 17/05/11

      MarK has many barrows to push
      Some have no wheels, but MarK doesn’t notice.
      He’ll just link you to a wheel and keep on pushing.

    • MarK says:

      01:50pm | 17/05/11

      “You’re trying to link AGW to this article?”

      Yes.

      All this topic is is just a howl at the moon by someone that feels guilty that people say drinking is bad but he still wants to imbibe. He should just come out and say it.

      Juxtapose this with the crusade against weed he went on early this year or late last. I also note that he wails against the “nanny state” but is willing to allow the government to attempt to change the climate.

      (http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/how-the-10-plant-rule-sent-much-of-a-city-to-pot/ late last actually)

      I am just trying to examine how far Penbo believes, and others, government power should be allowed. I mean they are trying to get us to feel guilty over using electricity. They are both cause célèbres and why should not both get derision?

      Isn’t that the point?

      Besides, if I link AGW to everything the natives get all restless. It is much more fun that way for me that way.

    • Bobster says:

      02:07pm | 17/05/11

      Not the same thing, MarK.

      Adelaide does have a bloody strong pot culture and, as in favour of it as I am, it can be traced right back to the 10 plants policy - that was over the top and normalised it to a much greater degree than it should have.

      In saying that, however, they should legalise and get out of the way there too, but it is erroneous to say Penbo was calling for a zero tolerance approach. He was just pointing out that the laws had not led to a healthy level of use.

      (nb, there will rarely be a pro-drugs story anywhere and even those that don’t wish to display zero tolerance will look that way because of a weird quirk in most journalistic codes of ethics.)

    • Arnold Layne says:

      12:02pm | 17/05/11

      During our German World Cup experience, my two friends and I drove into a village on the Mosel river that happened to be hosting a power boat event.  We stopped for a look, I turned around and saw the obligatory stand selling German beer and bratwurst.  It was 10am or so.  My friend turned back around after a moment or two watching the boats and I already had a beer in one hand and the bratwurst roll in the other.  It was like the dude who follows Homer Simpson around selling hot dogs.  It wouldn’t have happened here.

      Live life.  Enjoy it.  Don’t overdo it.

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      12:02pm | 17/05/11

      I have no problem with people drinking themselves silly every Friday or Saturday night (or any other night), as long as the taxpayer doesn’t have to fork out for the liver transplant or chemotherapy for cancer 20 years down the track. As a matter of fact I object to paying for the ambulance to come around for alcohol fueled violence, not to mention the waste of police resources tied up in dealing with alcohol related incidents. People can drink themselves to death for all I care but when it starts affecting the rest of the community then it’s a problem.

    • PatC says:

      12:32pm | 17/05/11

      Well aren’t you a little bundle of joy.
      Remember that most of those people “drinking themselves silly every Friday or Saturday night (or any other night) ” are tax payers too.

      Actually “the rest of the community” is out enjoying themselves on the aforementioned Friday & Saturday nights and it’s you and your little band of wowsers that are the problem.

    • HappyCynic says:

      02:12pm | 17/05/11

      @Shane

      I object paying for morons who accidently trip over and break their legs, I object to idiots who don’t look where they’re going when they cross the road, I object to kids getting infected with meningitis and needing weeks in hospital (those bums don’t contribute a damn thing for the first 18 years of their life either, I mean WTF is up with that?).

      In case you hadn’t noticed I’m being quite sarcastic, but the fact is there are lots and lots of things we as a community pay for but may never use.  Australian citizenship ceremonies, schools (childless people still have to contribute to these and you still end up with a society full of dunces and illiterate d**kheads), libraries, footpaths, roads, police, fire brigades, insurance etc.  By your logic if anyone does anything stupid, ever they should pay, just so us higher sentient beings can feel smug about hurting some brain-addled fool further.

      Its really kind of selfish and insecure.  Is it not enough of an ego-stroke to know that we’re far more intelligent already?

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      02:33pm | 17/05/11

      @PatC and HappyCynic- It’s a little matter called personal responsibility. Do you guys care about the police or ambos who have to deal with sh-t every weekend because binge drinking is the norm in Australia? Probably not. Do you care about the family of victims who have killed or seriously injured by drink driving or alcohol fuelled violence? Probably not.
      F-ck it I’m done talking to tools like you.

    • Grumpy says:

      03:11pm | 17/05/11

      Oh shut up, do you know how much tax is on alcohol and cigarettes? These people pay for your health care, not the other way around dickhead.

    • Grumpy says:

      08:21pm | 17/05/11

      Grumpy
      Obviously not enough. Let’s get them to $50 / pack by 2015, then add 10 percent each year after that.
      Who you calling a dickhead?

    • Johnny Armani says:

      12:07pm | 17/05/11

      What was that article about…? I’m still dreaming of the pink combi and urinating in the Andaman…

    • Joe says:

      12:46pm | 17/05/11

      Learn how to spell.
      Jesus. “Principal” cause of death

    • St. Michael says:

      03:04pm | 17/05/11

      After all, it’s the principle at stake.

    • St. Michael says:

      05:57pm | 17/05/11

      Sorry, steak. wink

    • John says:

      12:47pm | 17/05/11

      I dont agree with the cancer council view that its the packets that attracks the children. Maybe if they spent some time with young kids they will see it is the cool factor. Just watch any young hollywood A lister and you will see that most of them smoke. This then gives these kids the impression it is cool to do it.

    • bob the sub-editor says:

      12:52pm | 17/05/11

      principle or principal

    • bob the sub-editor says:

      12:58pm | 17/05/11

      Typical.  After 94 other comments, Joe beats me to it while I’m typing my petty gripe.

    • Hugo's Boss says:

      01:01pm | 17/05/11

      Yes Coxy, that ice is terrible stuff; sometimes they serve it too cold and it takes up precious room in the glass where more alcohol could be. Not to mention that clinking noise can be unbearable when one is coping with a hangover.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      01:08pm | 17/05/11

      For years we were told that eggs were bad for us. Now the “Experts” (a word I use very,very lightly) tell us they are,in fact,very good for us.
      Butter we are told is bad for us.Yet my GP, when I asked him if I should change to margarine etc. said: “Well what do you want to die from? Natural causes or Chemical Poisoning or Cancer caused by artifical Trans Fats?
      For years we have been told that the odd glass of Red was good for us. The odd shot of Brandy or Whiskey too. Beer in moderation if you want to avoid looking like someone who is 18 months pregnant!
      Now they tell us alcohol is bad for us. Yes, in excess it is. ou can kill yourself or others.
      The politicians & other self-styled do-gooders, wowsers etc. have jumped onto something new! Suddenly they have discovered what the rest of us have known for generations: Too much alcohol is bad for us. There is too much binge drinking. The latter is not something new it has been going on for generations. Remember the “6 o’clock swill”. A dozen or more schooners or pints lined up on the bar or table before 6 pm & we had something until 6.30pm to sink the lot!
      Give the thought police the chance & they will tell us that Orange Juice, thinking for ourselves, all fruit & vegetables are all bad for us.
      The fact is that all of these people telling us what is, or is not, good for us are making money out of this.They apply for generous Federal & State Government Grants & then come up with stupid ideas which fit in with the wishes of those handing out all those millions of tax-payer’s money.They get their name in the limelight for a few minutes, a paper published which is only read by themselves.
      The denial of enjoyment to the majority as a result of a few idiots is rampant
      The police jump up & down about the violence etc. on the streets. But where are they? Swanning around in their fancy souped-up luxury limos instead of being out on the streets, on foot, doing what they are supposed to do.
      It’s like with the pokies. politicians chatter on & on but do nothing to limit their use. They have set things up so that the venues are required by their laws to be open virtually 24/7 instead of only allowing them to be open 9-5.

    • Kika says:

      02:15pm | 17/05/11

      it’s because humans can’t deal with the realities that we’re not immortal and we will all die one day. Death is the boogie man we can’t deal with. Some cultures actually embrace death as a part of the passing of life, but we still have taboos around it. We think we can circumvent the inevitable.

    • Grumpy says:

      03:03pm | 17/05/11

      Eggs are like a multivitamin, same with the fat myth so they can sell more packaged, high carb food. Now everyone is getting fat. Theres too many liars in this world.

    • Bond says:

      01:10pm | 17/05/11

      Martinis anyone?

    • Mathias says:

      02:02pm | 17/05/11

      Man, I had a 3 olive Gin Martini on Saturday night and it’s the last thing a remember, before waking up at 2pm on Sunday with the worst hangover in a long time. It was so bad the sound of my tongue moving around in my mouth was annoying the shit outta me, my head had it’s own pulse, and started to believe that death was a better option then trying to see out the rest of the day. I’m also pretty sure I managed to utter out the words “I am never drink again”, but we all know that isn’t going to happen…

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      03:02pm | 17/05/11

      Good one, Mathias!
      At least you enjoyed yourself whilst you got plastered! The headache will, like all things, pass & be forgotten. Then you will have to take up the reins of Stress & Worry again which will mean you will bloody well need that drink on Saturday. By the by, one of the things people who have Cancer are told to do is “to avoid stress & worry as much as possible, get plenty of rest & relaxation”. So the Cancer Council is going against it’s own advice. What better way to get off the appalling stress ladder so many are forced to climb today in having to always perform, succeed, out-do everyone else than to sit down with friends and/or family, & have a few noggins?
      Let the Cancer Council stick with looking after & supporting people with Cancer not adopting some (probably American) report produced by some religious fanatic who has taken, or been forced to take, the Pledge of Abstinence.
      Coincidently a family member developed Cancer 6 years ago & one of the things the medicos told him was to live as normal a life as possible & if he felt like having a drink do so for it could do him no harm!!

    • Ginger Mick says:

      04:24pm | 17/05/11

      Bloody olives!

    • Kika says:

      01:48pm | 17/05/11

      I totally agree. I really really enjoy having a glass of red while I cook dinner. And eat dinner. It helps me enjoy having to cook a meal after a long day at work. It helps me to relax, and have some R&R time before going to bed just to get up the next day and do the same thing again and again.

      How about the Cancer Council do some research on the benefits of moderate, social drinking as a way to unwind and relax from the insaneness of our lives. There’s no doubt we are all working more, mental health issues is on the rise, we’re all stressed out. THAT to me causes more cancers than the few glasses of red per week.  What about all the anti-oxidants in red wine? Doesn’t that counteract the carcinogenic alcohol in the wine?

      What a joke! And if you are silly enough to drink to absolute excess all the time I’m sure you more than anyone understand the realities of alcohol - constant hangovers, alcoholic poisoning, liver disease and dangerous acts of stupidity.

    • Katie says:

      01:50pm | 17/05/11

      So… without alcohol we’ll all be bored, dazed, yet without the hang-over and alcohol induced violence.

      The fact that it’s implied in this article that it’s impossible to have a good time without alcohol is actually very sad, and probably a reflection of most Australians on the weekend… even sadder.

      If drinking is a pastime, and the only way you have fun on the weekends, I think you should look at your priorities.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      02:39pm | 17/05/11

      “The fact that it’s implied in this article that it’s impossible to have a good time without alcohol “

      Actually, the article implied that it’s becoming impossible to have a good time full stop in this country, due to an overload of people with apparently nothing else to do than make laws telling other people what they can’t do.  Watch how this whole planking thing goes….there’ll be proposed legislation banning people from laying flat shortly.  Stupid, stupid country.

    • TJ says:

      01:56pm | 17/05/11

      The health department in France ran a campaign to get people to reduce their alcohol consumption.  They recommended that people try and limit their wine intake to 1 Litre a day.

      There’s always going to be a health boogey man.  Alcohol is it at the moment.  When did personal responsibility take a back seat?

      Besides, 83% of statistics are made up.

    • grumpy says:

      03:21pm | 17/05/11

      saying its ok to have any alcohol at all is irresponsible and i believe that saying that is encouraging people to drink more. If i think its ok to have upto this much a day, ill be more likely to do it. Its all about tax revenue, nothing more.

      Personal responsibility does exist when one thing is legal and another is not, youre denying freedom of choice and the ability of anyone to make their own decisions. more People in the united states are in prison because of marijuana related crimes than any other offence, justified? Drink all you want, just dont think you are better than someone who uses any other kind of drug.

    • Grumpy says:

      02:59pm | 17/05/11

      Great article, i enjoyed this one.

      Personally i think alcohol is evil. I do drink, im a hypocrite, what can i say? but i would rather not do it at all, and do try not to drink to much, but sometimes in the mood of the night you dont wanna stop and end up sick as a dog the next day. Every sip of alcohol is doing some kind of damage. Its empty calories, it slows down your metabolism, in men it reduces our ability to create testosterone making it difficult to build muscle and therefore repair the damage that physical activity and alcohol itself does to your body. I do believe we need to change our attitudes to alcohol, and if not then weed should be legal. Alcohol is a big cause of depression, onc you get into the cycle of drinking to much too often you will have emotional problems, if you dont youre either too stupid to notice its the alcohol doing it in the first place, so typically its denial.I have spent many nights smoking weed and wake up feeling 100% fine. if i do the same with alcohol i end up violently ill, as im sure most of us do, which i have heard is similar to the feeling of dying from dehydration. Its illogical that alcohol is legal and so widely used. I have never felt like punching the shit outta anyone when stoned, but give anyone enough booze and you will atleast try to, by either mouthing off or being a rude drunk idiot. I cant believe doctors would say to anyone that “a glass of wine a day is good for you…” ...Ummm, ok, wouldnt it better to not have any alcohol than the tiny benefit you may get from drinking wine for the antioxidants, you can just eat grapes you know. Have a few cup’s of tea…Everyone should be able to do what they like, but this myth that alcohol isnt really that bad is a joke, the two things, alochol and cigarettes, that kill more people than any other illegal drug are legal? these laws are not about health, and anyone who thinks it is, is too blinded by the matrix to see things how they really are.

    • Roland says:

      04:08pm | 17/05/11

      ‘We avoid risks in life- to make it safely to death’ - Philosoraptor

    • Darwin says:

      04:14pm | 17/05/11

      Mmmmm….. Kombi van / Harry’s Cafe combo…..
      Can you imagine it?!!!

    • Edward James says:

      04:33pm | 17/05/11

      I own a 1400 Suzuki road bike and every now and again i give it a run flat out. Not in traffic but out on the back roads some of them are dirt. I do consider wombats camels cows rabbits and other stuff which may bring about my demise. Will my government be there at all times to keep me safe ? I doubt it because my government is not that stupid is it ?  Edward James

    • Hick Cupp says:

      05:20pm | 17/05/11

      After reading all of this I need a drink !

    • Ted says:

      05:36pm | 17/05/11

      Lively debate. Enjoying the contributions except those playing the man instead of the ball.

      Methinks Cancer Council is just letting people know there is a cancer risk if you drink alcohol (that’s their job isn’t it?). What we do or don’t do about it is our business, but personally I find it useful to know.

      By the way, I searched for ‘alcohol’ on Heart Foundation website and couldn’t find anything saying it is good for you. All results came up negative: http://bit.ly/lyLCDt

    • Stefan says:

      09:38pm | 17/05/11

      rather a technicolour existence with the peaks and troughs than a beige flatline.

    • andy says:

      09:50pm | 17/05/11

      im an alcoholic. ill readily admit it, i probly wont live until im even 70 but i LIVE my life, never been in a fight, never punched anybody in the face, never had a criminal record.  i earn a medium 6 figure annual income and contribute more to society than 50% of people commenting on this article stating their ever consistent but ever failing attack on alcohol do.

      i wont say my age otherwise we will start a whole new argument about GEN Y

    • DeeofAdelaide says:

      09:53pm | 17/05/11

      Another great article Penbo.

      They can take my fags, but they touch my red and they’ll know about it.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      02:23am | 18/05/11

      Drink as much as you like so long as you don’t make a pest of yourself is my motto as I sit here on a cold winter evening oops! morning, sipping the same white lightning my Grandfather drank til he was 92, sorry Penbo but this is one of those ICB Tory Storeys.

    • FedUp says:

      03:49am | 18/05/11

      To St Micheal & Missy, I was not advocating getting smashed then getting into a car and driving, nor the other ogre of falling out of a pub or club then getting into a blue. I was simply saying that to not have a drink at all, in the privacy of your own home because now it causes cancer is crap. I have heart disease, have undergone a quad bypass and my cardiologist has told me that a glass or three of red wine is the best thing for my heart. Let’s face it, no one gets out of here alive.

 

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