Enough with all the meat eating all ready

Nicole says:

08:54am | 02/09/10

Ewww, mutton! Nup, I’ll stick to my 300g Porterhouse steak and I’ll eat it any day I want. Especially Monday’s.

Komboman says:

08:36am | 02/09/10

That was my first question as well

Gregg says:

09:39am | 02/09/10

It’s per annum you for those with minds addled by too many dim sims per week!

Macca says:

10:25am | 02/09/10

@Gregg, thanks for the clarificationm, although I still feel the Seafood one is a reflection of Christmas day, and not the entire year.

Also, its not Dim Sims, its the Spare Pork Ribs and Veak Sausages I had last night. A staple in any balanced diet

Nicole says:

11:47am | 02/09/10

@Macca, I hope you roasted those pork ribs. It’s the only way to have em!

lv says:

12:04pm | 02/09/10

22 kilos of seafood per person for Christmas Day?? Are you serious??
Like to see you try and eat that.
All that seafood sure aint making you any smarter…

Meatismurder says:

09:23am | 03/09/10

Gregg, I think the point is that a good report would actually specify the time frame. Your iron supplements must be failing

Gregg says:

11:05am | 03/09/10

And meatismurder,
The point was trivial as any online authors and editors if existing probably make more minor errors and/or leave more to the mind of the readers to read in context.
If someone has so much time to bother adding such a point, no doubt probably not enough for BBQing and quite possibly are dining on dim sims, the emphasis on dim!
My iron level is fine thanks and yours?

Phil says:

09:56am | 02/09/10

Andy I am about to do the same thing. (Buy at the auctions that is, dont mind a bit of vegitarian but not that keen on it)

The cost per Kilo in my freezer will be less than $ 5.00 cut as I want for the meat and will include Mince, Sausages, Eye Fillet, T Bones etc etc etc.

Massive saving over $ 30 a kilo at times at the butcher.

Macca says:

03:47pm | 02/09/10

@Phil, does the money saved get dented at all by the cost of a large Freezer? For me to do this, I would have to go out and spend a few hundred dollars at least on a new Freezer, and then factor in the new electricity prices.

Whilst I like the approach, I’m not sure it would save me much money in the long run

Andy D says:

10:53am | 03/09/10

I bought my freezer 2nd hand on ebay for $90 and have not noticed any marked increase in the power bill.

For me though it’s more about buying top quality meat than it is about money.

PatC says:

01:42pm | 04/09/10

@ Macca
Do you have friends?  family?  Buying in bulk and spreading it out over 4 or 5 families brings things back to almost retail quantities.

E says:

02:10pm | 03/09/10

gee thanks Alice, its great that someone just like me has tried this and had fantastic results! I am now 11.5% more likely to buy this ideological product thanks to your unbiased comment

KH says:

10:39am | 02/09/10

Yeah. Let’s do nothing then.

Sure there are bigger problems, but we don’t always have control over them.  We do however, have control of our pantries.  It might be a small step, but if enough people do it, it has a bigger impact, and moves in the right direction.  Sometimes, attacking problems in small chunks is a good strategy, as eventually, those chunks add up.

Adam Diver says:

10:50am | 02/09/10

Contraception is just too hard. First world countries must lead the way by seeming to make a difference. The important word here is seeming, very different to doing.

Lets use renewable enrgy in our grids! Hooray says everyone we are reducing our carbon. Not quite we still need the same power stations to provide baseload to backup the intermttent renewable energies. But the good news is this feel good result will cost consumers and business more. Hooray the populace seemed. Global warming is on the way out, particularly now I am having lentil soup instead of steak for dinner.

But what about those poor refugees. Locked up in a prison, fed, clothed with medical atteniton and some modern luxuries. How dare we treat them so bad, when they made a dangerous voyage to get away from their horrible lives. How about we let them in the country and enjoy more benefits. That will be humane. But if we do that we encourage more of them to make that dangerous voyage, a voyage that has claimed hundreds of lives. Plus we are rejecting an application from a refugee waiting in a camp somewhere in the world because. But at least the ones with money, who make the trip, riking thier own death, and stopping other equally or more legitimate refugees from entering the country, not just have security, safety, food, shelter, entertainment, but freedom as well. Hooray, we all care for refugees, just not the dead ones, or ones in other countries.

Still we could do more. There are soldiers of ours, fighting wars in other peoples countries. People have died because we invaded thier countries. We are all right wing nuts for lettingthis happen. We should withdraw our troops right now, we can’t risk anymore of our soldiers lives to provide a nation the freedoms, security and democracy, which so many flee to our country to have. How dare we provide these things to peope living under cruel regimes, where women are treated as second class civilians, children are killed for being spies, and freedom of religion is unheard of, we are so selfish. We should try diplomacy with these countries, we should give them an equal footing in the UN, and we should send our money as aid to help the poor. But no we are just war-mongerers, happy to have civilians die while we fight to give them the freedoms, and quality of life that we enjoy here, whilst simultaneously deriding the people who are actively giving others the same opportunities as us. At least if we pull our troops out, and wear “no war” t shirts and complain about the democratic processes leading to a hung parliament, and bitch about how racist we all are, and talk about how we are so selfish that we are destroying the planet, and need to give more aid whilst we enjoy our latte at the trendy inner city cafe we get that warm feeling inside of seeming (not doing) and we can walk around proud that we have contributed to a beter, fairer and cleaner world and our hands are still clean.

Ronk says:

10:11am | 03/09/10

No. it’s not. The world population is growing by les than one-tenth of what you absurdly claim, in fact about one and a half percent at the moment and by less and less every year until, the UN predicts, in about 2050 (having only ever reached not much more than 15% more than what it is now) the world population will start to decline, gradually at first but then faster and faster.

Human population is definitely not a problem as rich white racists (who consume most of the world’s resources) make it out to be. Least of all in Australia which is a very underpopulated country. As Gandhi put it “The world has more than enough for everyone’s need, but not for everyone’s greed.”

Edward James says:

01:23pm | 03/09/10

No ‘absurd” claim Ronk. You have exposed an unthinking question, off the top of my head. But thanks for your informative input, you prompted me to surf the net and read how world population is actually decreasing and my perception of growth at 15 % + is way out of touch. While I accept your imputation that a small percentage of the world’s population controls and exploits the bulk of the worlds natural and built asserts and its population for that matter. I do dispute your assertion human population is not a problem.
I believe we (not just white racist) are growing an imbalance on this planet, and I understand the resources in the sea are being netted into extinction as a result.  I agree Gandhi had a point which still applies today…. there is not enough for everyone’s greed!

Stephen says:

02:50pm | 03/09/10

Ronk,

The world’s population has doubled since 1965. That’s 45 years ago. We are currently at 6.8 billion people, if we continue at our current pace we’ll have 13.6 billion people. Are you saying this is sustainable?

I like how you play the racist card to try to validate your point.

I don’t think Gandhi was thinking of a world population of 6.8 or 13.6 billion people when he coined that phrase.

Ronk says:

09:25pm | 12/09/10

Stephen, the world’s population will never again double, That’s not just me satying that it’s the UN. And yes Gandhi’s statement was in response to exactly the sort of argument that is being put here that population growth needs to be “controlled”. Gandhi was highly intelligent. He knew that the rates populatioin were growing it would double in the 40 years after his death. He knew it wasn’t a problem thoygh, unlike those who claimed it would be the deathknell of India in particular. Now India has 3 times the population it had when he said that, and Indians on average are much better off.

Tim says:

09:19am | 02/09/10

You’re eating snags and pork chops on a BBQ for breakfast?

AliceC says:

10:57am | 02/09/10

@Sahara

He’s not saying become a vegetarian, he’s just saying don’t eat red meat one night a week, and don’t eat fish on another. It won’t hurt you, and it won’t make you a vegetarian.

GreekSnake says:

11:51am | 02/09/10

@AliceC

So he’s not saying become a vegetarian, he’s saying become a vegetarian 2 nights a week? Then what? 3 nights? Then 7? So you become a part-time vegetarian and slowly work towards it? Fail.

I get my meat from a relative who owns a farm with plenty sheep, cows and pigs. These animals are bred and raised on that farm. We know a guy who comes by and cuts them up for us too. $300 for 1 cow and 2 sheep to be slaughtered and chopped up is VERY cheap. Of course with 2 weight training males in our household, meat is on the menu in every meal. Protein is important.

Poor vegetarian weight lifters need to eat 9kgs of cottage cheese and another 4 kgs of tofu to get the same protein that’s in 2 steaks. Please don’t push the “there’s protein in vegetarian foods too!” card. I’ve heard it all before.

KH says:

12:55pm | 02/09/10

GreekSnake - well bully for you - you have a friend with a farm…...most people don’t.  Commercial farming is actually quite draining in terms of resources, particularly water - every step of the way from breeding to putting it in plastic containers for sale.  Cutting down 1 day a week of red meat will have an impact on this enormous use of resources which aren’t going to last forever.  The writer is not pushing vegetarianism!  I mean seriously, do people actually read these articles?  I can’t believe there are people who can’t imagine a meal without red meat in it.

Flamingo says:

01:28pm | 02/09/10

@KH, umm, i think water will last forever, there is the same amount on this planet now as there ever has been and i don’t think it going anywhere. 
I will eat red meat and fish whenever i feel like it, its my choice. I’m trying to work out how it is unsustainable to eat meat in 2050?  We produce meat now on farms, we can produce fish in farms so how is this going to run out? Guess what, we also produce vegetables in farms!  How much resources does vegetable farming use KH?

Talya says:

07:05pm | 02/09/10

@Sahara

eek, Im a vegetarian and a Christian. looking for a roomie by any chance? I promise to keep the farts to a minimum, and my sickly complexion is more of a warm sunshine yellow, so that’s nice.

My ‘rabid vegetarianism’ aside, the article does raise some good points. You will save money if you don’t eat meat as often, that’s simple economics. Secondly, the UN isn’t saying if you choose not to eat fish on friday, a fish is going to miraculously land on the table of a starving person in the congo. But it is saying that (especially fish) are being over-farmed, and we need to be consuming a little less, so there are still some fish left to make more fish for us to eat next year.

Dazeddazza says:

12:14pm | 03/09/10

Christians and the other religious groups have this irresistible urge to convert people to their bizarre religious habits. It’s because they know their faith is ridiculous and they feel that they can validate their own feeble excuse for a lifestyle if they can convert more people to it.  (Sahara, sorry, could not resist the urge to alter your paragraph!!)

Matt says:

08:29pm | 03/09/10

@GreekSnake For the record:
2 x 300g beef steaks = 182g protein
9kg cottage cheese = 1,237g protein
4kg tofu = 328g tofu

(Source: about.com)

lv says:

12:02pm | 02/09/10

Sure, you can do as you suggest. If everyone cut down their meat consumption by about 80%, not the 15% sugested here.
Does ANYONE who has commented here actually work in meat production?

SalC says:

02:20pm | 02/09/10

How about we eat more local produce so the poor farmers don’t have to plough their crops back into the earth?

lv says:

12:08pm | 02/09/10

So do their obesity levels and levels of the ‘diseases of affluence’. 

You seem to have forgotten that pigs are turned into ‘meat’, as are chickens and that well over 90% of those products are factory farmed.

libertarian vegetarian says:

11:58am | 02/09/10

Quote” If we don’t eat them they will keep breeding…and keep farting.”

Actually, they don’t breed, we breed them. The vast majority are artificially inseminated and bred at a far more prolific rate rate than would happen naturally.
So if we don’t keep eating them we won’t keep breeding them and we certainly won’t have to keep fishing the living daylights out of the oceans so we can feed fish to chickens, pigs or cows.

Gregg says:

01:12pm | 02/09/10

You could alway do what a US dairy farmers organisation ordained to up the gate price of milk and that was about 140,000 good dairy cows got clobbered.
So we just bump off all those farting beasts and plow them in for blood and bone enrichment of our poorer quality soils, just like we could with all the feral horses, goats, camels etc..
And any Koala killers out there looking for a job for they’re eating themselves out of trees too.

Ken says:

01:36pm | 02/09/10

Has anyone done the maths on how much land is required to grow “non-meat” produce vs meat produce to provide the same nutritional value?

And is there a study on how much methane 6 billion vegetarians produce vs 6 billion omnivores?

Then we can stack the numbers up and make quantifiable arguments.  Right now the argument only provides one side of the balance sheet.

And if you want to believe in arguments like these, I have an investment opportunity for you that will generate hugh incomes, but I just don’t mention costs.

libertarian vegetarian says:

09:29pm | 02/09/10

Well Ken the CSIRO does have that info but as they are now totally in the pocket of the Meat and Livestock Assoc they won’t let you have it.
Reality is there is far more land (and water)  used to grow crops to feed to livestock than is used to grow food to be fed to humans. 
Recycling plants through animals is NOT an efficient use of resources.
Same with farmed fish. They fish out the oceans to catch food they feed to other fish so we can eat them…... bizarre. The oceans are also being fished out to provide food for chickens and pigs (so we can eat them) and in the be all and end all of wastefullness, drink the forced lactation of the poor dairy cow.

Likes Joining Dots says:

03:02pm | 04/09/10

@ libertarian vegetarian
I have to ask, if the CSIRO won’t let us know the details, how do you know them with such certainty?
Also, don’t you think “poor forced dairy cows” is rather emotive?  If you had ever seen a dairy farm you might know the “poor forced” cows line up willingly to be milked in the morning or are they just dumb animals as you imply?

Macca says:

11:16am | 02/09/10

@Gordo. hate to pull you up on a technicality, but just not so sure how much ‘meat’ is in a Lamb Kebab

Macca says:

10:29am | 02/09/10

@Tash, what if we went the other way and asked you to give up a few servings of Veg / fruit, How would you feel if you were told that for 2 days a week you could only eat meat? (obvious health issues aside)

I eat meat too says:

11:16am | 02/09/10

@Macca, your question is irrelevant and misses the point. Where in the article does it say you ‘have’ to go without meat for 2 days a week? It’s merely a suggestion for people looking to help our planet and improve their health. If those things don’t interest you, ignore the suggestion….

Macca says:

11:41am | 02/09/10

@IEMT; “Promoting Meatless Mondays in Australia”,

Sorry, thats 1 day a week, my bad.

Jay Santos says:

11:10am | 02/09/10

“...help the planet…”

Spare me the misanthropic high-school melodrama…the planet doesn’t need ‘saving’ from omnivores.

What it does need is an end to such bogus and patronising statements for an inherently specious argument.

And a greater control on the number of human beings.

Let’s start by forgiving all Third World debt and putting an end to their crippling poverty and hunger in exchange for the mass sterilisation of their populations.

No better way to test the mettle of the “Planet Savers”.

Muttley says:

04:06pm | 02/09/10

Jay, what a digusting suggestion. Mass sterilisations? This has been tried before. Europe in the late 30’s i believe….i think you need to increase the number of little red pills you’re taking

Shane says:

04:48pm | 02/09/10

So Jay Santos says “Spare me the misanthropic high-school melodrama…” then launches into exactly that.
What is all of the screeching hysteria about how it is their “right” to eat meat. What a load of rubbish and that’s not even the point!
Have one day without meat per week - your colon will thank you for it.

Ronk says:

10:30am | 03/09/10

Yes it’s interesting the underlying anti-Christian basis of this article, seeking to replace it with the Green “religion”. Very obvious in the way he chooses “meatless Mondays” when you’d think it would be easier and more logical to build upon the existing and centuries-old Catholic penance of meatless Fridays. Then as if to underline the anti-Catholic point he adds that he wants “fishless Fridays” (of course Catholics and many other people traditionally uusally eat fish on Fridays).

Gregg says:

11:23am | 03/09/10

That’s a little too simple Ella for the worlds rich/poor is possibly something of the old 20/80 factoring and that is 20% is causal for 80% effect and in this case the rich 20% probably contribute to something like 80% of consumption for most things on the planet.
Whether or not us shipping a bit of meat to Africa/asia or where ever will stop them procreating is another matter as they could say thankyou very much, I’ll have to hunt/scavenge/till/grow less now and what will I do with all this extra time now!
Aha! and all that meat is raising my red blood cells and libido too

Perhaps the change of diet and causal new deaths could balance but somehow I uspect we would see a new explosion in population.
There is in fact a renowned black female author who claims that Africa is a basket case because the west keeps filling the basket with aid.

I suppose that is akin to saying lets withdraw indigenous aid and let them get yams and witchety grubs etc. or die out.

Andy D says:

12:04pm | 02/09/10

What about rabbit? Until the 70s more rabbit was consumed in Australia than chicken.

Sam says:

12:14pm | 02/09/10

Because it’s gross.

Macca says:

02:24pm | 02/09/10

@Andrew, I’m all for more accesible Kangaroo meat at the Butcher

NT says:

03:17pm | 02/09/10

@ Macca, move to the Territory, we can buy Kangaroo, Camel etc from most of the butcher’s in town. The small grocery store across the road from me has roo tails in the freezer.

papachango says:

05:25pm | 02/09/10

I love a roo fillet on the BBQ myself and its way cheaper than steak. PETA would be horrified (as if I care) but Greenpeace actually do advocate this.

I still like a good eye fillet, but happy to substitute with roo, rabbit (stewed with mustard cream sauce provencal style), fish and yes even the odd vegetarian dish. But I do it because I like all these things not because some interfering moral busybody tells me I have to.

Gregg says:

11:30am | 03/09/10

@ Sam,
You’ve never had the bunny cooked the right way for over cooked it can be very dry and stringy but done nicely, it can be tender, yummy and healthier than fatty chicken.
And even goat meat done the right way is not too bad either and plenty of feral goats in places like the Flinders Ranges that harvesting a few would help nature.
A couple of years back the Queensland government was doing wholesale slaughter of brumbies, tens of thousands of them and horse meat is alright too.

Leigh says:

02:52pm | 02/09/10

and further to that, how is me not getting my weekly dose of baby lamb going to help this third world family?

KH says:

03:23pm | 02/09/10

They aren’t ‘choosing’ to breed?  It isn’t just food the west has better access to…...contraception is also an issue in the third world.  Not to mention some strange religious beliefs that discourage the use of it (and active interference from the church, notably catholics), and also cultures/religions that don’t have freedom for women.  The birth rate has gone down in the west because women have more choices in life (the merits of that is a whole different argument, so lets not get touchy here), where women in the third world don’t have these options.  Lack of education will also be a problem.  There are probably more reasons….........I don’t think it is a simple as ‘stop breeding’.

papachango says:

05:52pm | 02/09/10

KH is right, as well as contraception, education and freedom of women is a big issue. All they’re able to do in some of these countries is stay at home and breed. Overcome that and, as well as righting a terrible wrong, you’ll slow down population growth. However it will be very hard to overcome, as often it’s deeply rooted in culture, and having leftwing cultural relativists ignore the problem doesn’t help.

Also, to be fair on third world families, they don’t see it as an extra mouth to feed rather an extra pair of hands to work, and to look after them when they get old. They don’t have these incredible luxuries like life insurance, superannuation, a retirement pension etc.

Certianly the Catholic church’s attitude to contraception leaves much to be desired, but i would’nt pick on just them - check the majority religion of most of the countries with the highest fertility rate - Niger, Yemen etc.

Ronk says:

10:20am | 03/09/10

In rich developed countries with generous social security systems, children are a liability. In poor subsistence economies with no social security, every extra child is an asset - another pair of hands to work the fields, another person who can possibly land a cash job and support the family, and a greater chance that there will be somebody to support Mum & Dad in their old age. Please don’t assume that poor (or non-white) equals stupid, it’s extremely offensive.

Ronk says:

11:30am | 03/09/10

btw KH and papachango, please cut out the sectarian put-downs. The worldwide fertility rate for Catholics is actually LOWER than the rate for non-Catholics. Contraception isn’t the only way of reducing fertility, and it’s the most expensive way, in all senses of the word. People in third world countries struggling with poor sanitation, lack of fresh water and necessary life-saving medicines, lack of a nutritious and varied diet, corrupt rulers and violent uprisings, are insulted when rich white westerners toss them billions of contraceptives and say ‘there you go we’ve solved all your problems, aren’t we kind to you?”. They don’t refuse to use contraceptives because they are “oppressed” by some imaginary “active interference by the Catholic Church”, but because they exercise their human right to rationally choose not to use them. Nobody is forced to become or remain a Catholic unless he chooses to, and Catholic leaders have got better things to do than to go around to people’s houses to search for and destroy contraceptives as your weird conspiracy theory seems to suggest they do.

MissChic says:

11:17am | 06/09/10

@ N,

I think its incredibly condescending and ignorant of you to state that they should just ‘stop breeding’ as though they are not human beings.
Being born in an impoverished state doesn’t mean they don’t have any dignity or human desires. It doesn’t mean they don’t suffer from the same human flaws as we do.

You also seem to have a very primitive and selfish understanding of the world, and are very apathetic to the plights and situations of others. A bit of compassion and empathy would be nice, after all, you can afford it living in your decadent developed country.

I asked the same question to my mother a long time ago as a child (“Why can’t they stop having babies so they don’t continue overpopulation”) and she said, “In traditional rural societies an extra child is seen as an extra pair of hands to help with the family”.

Also, these people have to contend with everything Ronk has rightfully pointed out, lack of anything to have a proper, decent and hygienic life - how could they have money to buy condoms?
These people have needs just as everyone else has - the need for human companionship and its extremely cruel to say “You should stop having sex if you are not going to use a condom.” when many don’t have access to it or even the mind to think about these things when their survival is at stake.

Economics and capitalism of the Western Governments has also ensured that they create a drain in those countries to ensure they stay poor so they can remain exploited.

Large corporations take advantage of the poor there. I’m not asking that they get paid some unreasonable sum - but the companies involved also has to pay these people a decent wage to allow their survival and not undercut them just because they are poor and their countries lack industry standards.

Many corporations are just reeking corruption and bleeding out the country ironically instead of having the effect of helping the country by employing people. (i.e. Illegal toxic dumping, Poisonous/Illegal by-product imports for consumption to third world country, etc).

If you people truly understood the true cost of the food you are buying, the consumer products you are buying subsidised by artificially manipulated economics, the Governments involved and the exploitation of third world countries to achieve this - you will wake up and do even the smallest bit you can.

A collective effort by all to achieve a goal, no matter how small or insignificant it seems when divided, becomes a very strong ripple and effect which can be felt by all.

The cheap meats and products you are afforded today are many, many times higher cost-wise in truth than it is today.

And all this so you can enjoy this artificially created, decadent life. Its not going to last, everything that is happening now is not very sustainable, and it is very damaging to the environment - forget global warming, lets talk about a sustainable and compassionate human effort to make a difference.

Flamingo says:

01:35pm | 02/09/10

Animals get bred, then killed, then sent to butcher, i buy the meat.  I know exactly how meat gets to my table and i have no issue with it whatsoever.  I eat all types of meals, including vegetarian, because i choose too.  And this is not being ignorant Adrienne, far from it, i have considered my choices and this is the choice i made.

Adrienne L says:

02:16pm | 02/09/10

Flamingo my point was more toward the experiences of animals - yes they do go through this process but there is a lot more to it. I feel that true awareness in this matter is knowing how animals are treated and viewing such things with compassion and not apathy or denial.

I feel that many people are callous to the suffering of animals because it is convenient for them and their meat-eating habits - though I don’t imply that this is the case for you.

Markus says:

04:37pm | 02/09/10

Adrienne
Happy to hear you feel better about yourself since your diet change.
Fact is, however, that most do not share your outrage and disgust at slaughtering an animal that was bred for the sole purpose of eating.
No amount of accusations of ignorance or moral superiority will change this.

Gregg says:

11:45am | 03/09/10

@ Markus,
Maybe you need to lighten your load with the burden of all that meat eating for Adrienne was not on any great moral crusade or expressing disgust and if anyone has outrage it is you suggesting A had.
Cannot people express a feeling without being ridiculed and A certainly was not saying anything about numbers.

If the truth be known, most people in western countries probably reside in cities and the closest they might get to a farm animal in many cases is possibly seeing one in a paddock while travelling past.
So they do have minimal appreciation for a farm animals life.
If you have pets at home it does not take too much of a shift to understand that all animals will have a heart and brain power.

Even chooks, mice and kangeroos do their own thinking.
Maybe you and Flamingo are on guilt trips your subconscious has not fully revealed to you!

Markus says:

04:32pm | 02/09/10

The ideal male body image has not changed since the sculptures of ancient Greece.
The increasing pressure seems to have only coincided with the increase in obesity.

Shane says:

04:53pm | 02/09/10

Richard - glad to know you think a concept such as the “environment: is abstract. Having said that, with such a vapid argument you’ve made me realise we should not just be controlling fertility in the third world, but the first too.
Do us a favour and make sure you’re wearing a little rubber coat while you’re having sex with the most beautiful, fertile, feminine partners to minimse the people like you about. Cheers.

Tim says:

02:22pm | 02/09/10

Haha,
David Attenborough you ain’t.

Have you never eaten beef carpaccio? Raw meat. mmmm delicious.

david says:

03:21pm | 02/09/10

I am sure after the meat has been prepared and beaten, oiled, salted and seasoned and a variety of toppings have been added it tastes delicious.

But if you were to present most people with a raw chicken leg, an uncooked t-bone steak, or a raw lamb chop served at room temperature - nobody would eat it.

If you can - it does not prove you are a carnivore - only that you have very strange attractions to meat….

Muttley says:

04:03pm | 02/09/10

Herbivores dont possess canine teeth. Yet we possess both canines and molars (grinding teeth) which tells us we have evolved to eat both. Only vultures eat meat? What plants have you been smoking?

Joel says:

04:59pm | 02/09/10

You will learn a lot from these articles:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/peta-cspi-and-other-menaces/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-i/

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/

fish says:

04:27pm | 02/09/10

I’d check your facts on this one mate as dinosaurs and men didn’t exist at the same time (unless your a creationist of course).

N says:

04:34pm | 02/09/10

This has got to be one to the most radically idealistic “documentaries” I have ever seen. Comparing ordinary everyday individuals who eat meat to Nazi’s and the assumption that factory farms are akin to concentration camps and the holocaust; fair and balanced indeed.  I can only imagine the funding for such tripe to come from the likes of PETA.

If anything this film re-affirms two things;
1) Animal liberationists are a dangerous breed.
2) Joaquin Phoenix is an insipid twit.

Try this and make up your own mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o

Shane says:

04:57pm | 02/09/10

It’s fair to say that if your argument relies on Sam Kekovich, it is inherently flawed !

Ronk says:

11:54am | 03/09/10

ISTM it’s only the vegetarians who are trying to impose their dogmatic beliefs. The rest of us are merely saying “please don’t tell us that we have some sort of sacred duty to cut out ANY food from our diets, let alone one or more entire food groups, whether it’s meat, fish, vegetables, fruit, or whatever”. We are not “defensive meat eaters”, some of us eat little or no meat but we are merely defending our right to eat, or not eat, any food we damn well choose, no matter what interfering busybodies tell us we ought to eat or not eat. We are not your children, we are adults, so stop telling us what we’re allowed to eat. If you don’t want to eat meat, or want to eat 15% less of it, fine, enjoy your choice. But just shut up and stop telling other people that they ought to make the same choice you have made.

Macca says:

03:45pm | 02/09/10

What does Dolphin red or white?

Ronk says:

09:29pm | 12/09/10

Not me, it’s always brown when I eat it every day (sometimes twice a day).

Macca says:

03:53pm | 02/09/10

Spam and chips

Gregg says:

12:08pm | 03/09/10

What you say Judge is all very true and natural sustainability is best done by land production where it is best suited.
It seems some real extremists are afoot with their views and the article indicated that it’s peoples budgets that can be helped by eating meat/fish in moderation and that again is sustainability in action.
Health and the enviroment are really add on factors and the first part of your last paragraph is very true, perhaps for some the second part too.