The Sun online starts the gloating

Ricky Ponting’s shock at his team’s emphatic defeat at the hands of England in the deciding Ashes Test is revealed in his concern for his own future he expressed after the game.

“I really don’t know what to expect,” he said when asked about facing the music back in Australia. “Hopefully most of the questions being asked will be from journalists and not from people above me.”

England’s Daily Telegraph twisted the knife, pointing out that Australia was now fourth in the world rankings and that, combined with the loss of The Ashes, would be “a permanent stain” on Ponting’s career.

Even the ICC’s official match report notes: “Ponting suffered the ignominy of being the only the second Australia captain in 132 years of Ashes history to lose two series on England soil.” Ouch.

One of the things the English managed to do well at the Oval (match report and video highlights here) was to stop getting ahead of themselves. That all went out the window at the end of the day’s play, with captain Andrew Strauss saying the Poms could now go on to overtake India and South Africa to become the world’s No.1 cricket team.

Steady on, Andy.

How did this happen? There are as many suspects as for the assassination of JFK.  The selectors were wrong. The pitch was rigged. The umpires were playing for England.

Late in the first day’s play I took a note after Andrew Flintoff, playing in his final Test, was dismissed in the first innings. David Gower in the commentary box said: “Anyway, Flintoff is gone. It’s down to Trott, and Broad now.”

My note was: Could you hear anything more dispiriting as an England supporter?

After a lacklustre performance with the bat at Headingley, a sense of impending doom hung over the English. The country looked to the ageing Flintoff, who went into the match carrying an injury, as the man who could carry them to a win.

As it turned out, Trott and Broad won The Ashes for England.

Broad rained fire on the Australians to take five-for, while Trott would take a fingertip catch at short cover to dismiss Michael Clarke and then go on to grind out a century in the second innings that gave England an insurmountable run total.

As for the Flintoff heroics - well, it was a disappointing end to the Test career of a man who has entertained crowds so much with bat and ball. He was out for just 7 in the first innings, slashing at at Johnson delivery. In the second innings he ambled out to the middle and on his second ball pulled Marcus North over to the on-side boundary for four. He slapped another few around before being dismissed for just 22.

There was one special moment for him, though: running out Ricky Ponting in the second innings. To be fair, the call from Mike Hussey for the run was appalling and did give him about five minutes to pick up the ball and take aim, but he nailed it, sending the near stump flying out of the ground. It marked the beginning of the end of the Australian resistance and, hey, we got to see that trademark Flintoff braggadocio (though The Mirror took it a bit far in this report):

The Mirror over-eggs it

Australia put the lie to any argument over the state of the pitch by posting 348 in their second innings, even with the tail capitulating. Wickets were taken with decisions of millimetres, including Michael Clarke’s run out and Marcus North’s stumping, which were both as close as you can get to being not out, but out. The dismissals of Ponting, Clarke, and North were nothing to do with the pitch and everything to do with brilliant fielding from the Poms.

The truth is Australia’s poor first innings total was because of Broad’s astounding bowling, his deliveries moving right or left off the pitch, and off varying lengths. The way he got it to nip around had shades of Glenn McGrath about it – except Broad was bowling at the top of off-stump, not six inches outside it. It must have been terrifying for the Australians to watch from the sheds.

The English, I would argue, won this Test because captain Andrew Strauss made the right bowling calls, set the right fields, and the Aussies let a 23-year-old get into their heads. It was brilliant, intimidating cricket.

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    • Matt ,T'ville says:

      07:50am | 24/08/09

      Ahead of India and South Africa, hahahahaha. Mr Strauss best remember how well South Africa went after winning a series againts us and then factor out Englands toss wins, lions share of close calls, two once in five year bowling spells from Anderson and Broad, home ground advantage and most importantly the fact that he’s English (also he claims grounded catches for shame) I’m a bit tired and grumpy.

    • Matt says:

      08:16am | 24/08/09

      first of all as much as i hate to say it, fair play to England. they took the big moments and thats what got them over the line. Had a bad feeling Cardiff would come back to haunt us.

      However Strauss saying they can be number one in the world? Sth Africa did do them over in England only a year ago. have they learned nothing from the way they “handled” the ‘05 win?

    • Jan says:

      08:25am | 24/08/09

      Congratulations to the English players.  A good game well won.
      But,
      was I the only one to spot amongst the spectators, both
      Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy sitting watching.
      Was there a little bit of help from the Wizards?

    • Andrew says:

      09:02am | 24/08/09

      If Ponting was an honorable man he’d fall on his sword!  The Ashes did not need to come down to the final test to decide the series.  Australia persisted with out of form bowlers (e.g. Johnson) and batsmen (e.g. Hussey).  Poor decision making by Ponting lost Australia the Ashes.  England did not do anything great other than play good cricket, Congratulation to them!

    • Mark Nicholson says:

      09:09am | 24/08/09

      If England and Australia were second bottom and bottom of the ICC’s rankings the ashes would still be the biggest Cricket comp in the world. The fact that after nealy 150 years two countries can get so excited over a game that after five days can still end in a draw is testament to the ashes importance. Like all good sports the ashes are a drug that addiction is just a few visits away from.
      I’m addicted and keenly await the next next ashes with the only other test prospect being a world championship maybe. Bring on the next ashes. Well done England.

    • Matt says:

      09:10am | 24/08/09

      Weekend review

      Rugby - Lost

      Ashes - Lost

      Weather - GREAT -

      About all I can say!

    • Ken says:

      09:11am | 24/08/09

      Beaten by the South African “B” team… Strauss / Trott and Peterson two of the last and one future Captains of England. Imagine how strong South Africa would be if they didn’t have a empowerment policy.

    • Brian says:

      09:22am | 24/08/09

      At least England held back their boasting until after the game. The Australian press and captain have been declaring the series over since Headingley and are looking very, very stupid now.

    • Alex says:

      09:48am | 24/08/09

      <quote> Matt says: 09:10am | 24/08/09
      Weekend review

      Rugby - Lost

      Ashes - Lost

      Weather - GREAT -

      About all I can say! </quote>
      Don’t Forget-

      Athletics World Champs -  2 Gold & 2 Bronze (Greatest Ever Result for Australia)

      Boomers - Win

    • Jakes says:

      09:54am | 24/08/09

      Remember Steve Waugh’s chirp at Hercel Gibbs - “How does it feel to drop the World Cup?” Well guess same could be said to Ricky Ponting ala Cardiff when he spilled that catch: “How does it feel to drop the Ashes?” Not to point out his bowling decisions on the last Cardiff day as NOT to be able to knock the POM’s tail over…. nuff said.

    • Charles says:

      09:59am | 24/08/09

      Paul, methinks the weekend must have found your bottle drained and your glass less than half full. 

      For any English cricketer who has worn the countries colours for the last 6 years or more, being a member of the squad which wins consecutive Ashes series on home soil is sweet enough victory of itself.  Also, did you want to have your hand on the knife which you accuse the English press of twisting?  Why else would you have quoted a remark which was a very obvious comment for sportswriters to latch on - being the number of losses and period since that occurred.

      Pointedly, the English press is not gloating and presses the pint home that there is yet much to be done to build the team ‘from the ashes’ of the period when Pietersen & Moores were sacked.

      Perhaps its time that Aussie players & public realize that others in the world have risen to be true challengers and that, at least for Australia, future games will be true contests and not just Australian ‘romps’.

      The game will be the better for it, as will all who represent Australian if they learn from this, draw strength and come back better, stronger & more committed.  Importantly, the spectacle will be greater and the wins sweeter.  Ponting is to be admired for his self reflection of this, whereas the Australian selectors need to be mindful of their involvement in providing the mix of ‘weapons’ which the Captain could select to use against his opponents.  Especially at the oval (as other commentators have pointed out) Ponting found that his attack was wanting for spin.

    • Richard says:

      10:09am | 24/08/09

      Like the comment about “pressing the pint home”, Charles.  I’ll bet there’s been plenty of that.  Congrats to England on a great victory.  But remember what happened last time in the next series in Oz.

    • Bing says:

      10:15am | 24/08/09

      Wonder how many Knighthoods old Liz will give out after this performance by the Poms?

    • Margaret says:

      10:29am | 24/08/09

      Oh, come on the Aussies - at least you should be able to bow out with good grace - as the English have many times.  Well done England, you deserved to win.

    • CA says:

      10:43am | 24/08/09

      I can’t say that I’m sorry to see this team get beaten. We have become a little soft in recent years ever since the previous skipper retired.

      Ponting’s after match comments made me embarrassed to be Australian. I cringed when I heard him on the radio criticise the pitch. Even if the pitch was suss, underdone, not of test match standard whatever, he should shut up take it on the chin and praise the poms for their win. **We** played poorly not the poms not the pitch. 

      We have for sometime now started to become whingers, object when other teams sledge better than us, get upset when they call us names and carry on when the opposition sends out someone to soak up a little time. There has been the occasional on-field disunity not to mention his ongoing support for various players even though their behaviour left much to be desired. Somehow our team culture has disintegrated. 

      I love Australia and our sport but our behaviour and attitude need to change and this usually starts from the top.

    • Mike says:

      10:45am | 24/08/09

      Umm Hussey’s run call was appalling? Where did you get that? Ponting was ball watching. He looked over his shoulder twice while running. Don’t blame hussey for ricky not focussing on the job.

      And england will never be number 1. They do not have the team to play in all conditions.. Just the ones they prefer.. Look at anderson. Fantastic bowler when it swings but when it doesn’t he was useless.

      Now watch the poms go downhill again after an ashes. As usual.

    • iansand says:

      10:47am | 24/08/09

      Our under 21 netball team are world champions.

    • McDil says:

      10:57am | 24/08/09

      ‘80s retro-chic is massive at moment. From electro music to clothing to financial meltdowns. Now even the cricket team’s onboard with an ‘80s tribute. Lovely.

      Welcome to the lost decade Gen Y.

    • Owen says:

      11:07am | 24/08/09

      Its embarrassing as an Australian that our once unbeatable australian cricket team are now a pack of sore whinging losers. Whinging poms???  Not any more. Whinging aussies it is.

      Toughen up, and take it on the chin. They outplayed us, end of story. No umpiring decisions or pitches lost us the ashes.

    • DH says:

      11:09am | 24/08/09

      “Now watch the poms go downhill again after an ashes. As usual.” CORRECTION: “AFTER AN ASHES WIN” you failed to say. Typical whingeing Aussie. You fail to live in the moment, always looking back to what you have done to us in the past or what you’re going to do to us in the future. No grace, no humility. Read some of the other decent comments on here from you fellow countrymen not afflicted by Whingeing. As for the flimsy South African debate - 3 from 11 doesn’t equal a B-team or 50%. Plus Trott has British ancestory - just like your first 11! Strauss: English mother, been here since he was 6! Pietersen - English mother. They’re as qualified to play for England as me, as I’m half Welsh!

    • Paul Colgan

      Paul Colgan says:

      11:11am | 24/08/09

      @Charles - I agree with much of what you said. What we’re left with here is four teams - England, South Africa, India and Australia - which, on their day, could beat any of the other three. The Test cricket landscape is genuinely competitive now.

      @Alex - hear, hear.

    • Richard says:

      11:14am | 24/08/09

      So much for a dodgy pitch when the Aussies more than doubled their first innings total on a supposedly rapidly deteriorating pitch. And Australians say the English are a bunch of whingers, I’ve never heard so much whinging than from the Aussies when they lose to the English in anything e.g. Rugby World Cup 2003, 2007, Ashes 2005 and less medals at the Beijing Olympics. Where’s the sporting chivalry in defeat or is it just empty bravado?

    • SallyAnne says:

      11:29am | 24/08/09

      Well done England!! I still support our Captain Ricky Ponting,and l will never be ashamed to say l am an Australian!!people who write in and say such ridiculous things,are possibly not Australian anyway…there are a lot of *if only* in this series…but please England no knighthoods or major parties,that’s what you all did in 2005,you will need to knuckle down to retain those Ashes,or you will lose by 5 nil again!As for Flintoff he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory….Broad stole his thunder.I was glad to see England applauded a truely great batsman in Ponting,when he left the field…he did deserve that,as it may be a long time before we see his like again.Australia have a lot of soul searching to do,and they will come back with the goods…never doubt that England!!..But well done England enjoy your time in the sun.

    • RT says:

      11:29am | 24/08/09

      Congratulations to both sides and especially England. The Australian post mortem should examine why, just a couple of years after the retirement of cricket’s greatest spin bowler ever, Shane Warne, Australia has no spinner worthy of selection in a deciding test on a dry pitch. The selectors can be blamed but the truth is, the talent cupboard is nearly empty of spinners and hardly full of pacemen either. Johnson, Siddle and Hilfenhaus tried hard but they are hardly among the great bowling lineups.

      Ponting should stay on as captain until at least the end of the next home series, but the writing is on the wall for some other old-timers: Hussey, despite last night’s fighting innings, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark, who had no impact at the Oval, and ‘keeper Brad Haddin, who must be Australia’s clumsiest gloveman for a long time. On the evidence of this Oval match, Simon Katich would be a better bet with both gloves and bat.

    • Steve says:

      11:36am | 24/08/09

      Well Done England, some people may frown on paying off the officials, as it’s always a bit of a touchy area, but you were willing to do what it took, kept the funds flowing across all five matches, even managing to get a recall for your good mate Billy Bowden for the last two tests and its paid off for you!!

    • Tony, England says:

      11:39am | 24/08/09

      Thanks for the games australia, as usual you are great opponents. Whingers on both sides but cricket is a funny old game. Hope ricky ponting is back in 4 years, we’ve got a proper love/hate relationship with him and he’s a top class player- amazing with the bat. Australia wouldn’t be the same side without his presence. Michael clarke may well end up an adequate replacement though. I wouldn’t change the ashes for the world, test cricket is dead without it and the atmosphere here is different class when its on.  I love to hate australia at cricket but nothing better than seeing both sides shake hands and have a few beers after the series, all the best and see you in 18 months lads. Cricket can only be the winner here.

    • Justin says:

      11:46am | 24/08/09

      Congratulations England, though good to see both Australian and English press are true to form and overreacting to this result. Australia’s inability to get the 10th wicket in Cardiff was really the difference in a rollercoaster, but even series. Australia should not think its the end of the world and England shouldn’t think that its now suddenly an amazing team.
      England needs to prove itself against the likes of South Africa, away from home or repeat the mistakes from the over celebration of the 2005 series.
      Australia needs to tweak the attack, by looking at our spin options and need to make a hard decision re Hussey, made a little harder by his century.

    • Tony T says:

      11:55am | 24/08/09

      THRASHED?!? I think not. 5-0 is a thrashing.

    • Scotty says:

      12:03pm | 24/08/09

      I think there are a few people here that are sore losers. Our attitude is all wrong..we did not take England seriously and had the ashes won from the first ball. Ponting himself has to have a bit of humility. It was wrong for him to say that England were all over the place after Headingly and desperate for calling up Trott and that they had all the momentum. These words and others from the team just smack of complate arrogance. Blaming the toss, pitch, umpire decisions is just a lot of BS. We lost the toss at Headingly and won the game. Here the “doctoring the pitch” accusation is a sad indictment of our arrogance..hell we scored 342 in the 2nd innings on the 4th day!! The teams reflection should not be on skill and competence it should be on respect for the opposition and lessons to be less arrogant and more humility.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      12:25pm | 24/08/09

      Whinging?  I’m mainly seeing posts congratulating England and expressing disappointment at Australia losing, which is understandable.  Some people seem to be looking for something that isn’t there.

      England won the key moments of an even series and got the overall win.  Congratulations to them.  Cardiff turned out to be far more significant than any of us thought at the time.

      Paul - you know the rule about links to The Sun grin

    • Nick says:

      12:32pm | 24/08/09

      I’m smiling. I’m English.

    • Pete the Pom says:

      12:39pm | 24/08/09

      England winning is going to make next year a far more interesting 2010/2011 Ashes contest.  We can bet on 50,000 beer swilling, singing beer bellied Barmy Army converging on Australia , good for the economy and a whole lot of fun.  Revenge is a dish best served cold

    • Garry says:

      12:53pm | 24/08/09

      Shane Warne one made a much reported comment that was picked up on TV..  “Can’t bowl, can’t bat”..  The same comment could have been applied to all the Australian team in the 1st innings at the Oval. 

      Out of all the fine cricket players in Australia this was the best we had to send away..  I find that very hard to believe.

    • Garry says:

      01:01pm | 24/08/09

      As a pom I am happy, as an Australian by choice I will say I am saddned that I had to watch (as the wife was watching it) a morning show and the anchor (See being polite) said, ‘As Australia likes to blame someone does that mean Ponting should go?’ It is a shame if he does. Pointing has a few flaws but that does not mean he should go, maybe if so then the selectors and manager too.

      And to Pete the Pom, remember the Beer is served cold here in Australia. And me, I relish the opportunity to see so many of the Barmy Army here for they will bring a sense of fun and fun rivalry I think we lack here in Australia especially when Australia losses.

      Me, I am glad I did not have to walk into the office this morning and hear, ‘We beat you Pommie B… ’ ‘suck it up’, ‘build a bridge’, and ‘don’t like it then leave’ Should I dare say it to them? Dare I?

    • John from NSW says:

      01:11pm | 24/08/09

      That curator must be a genius, without knowing who would win the toss he manage to doctor a pitch that would only effect Australia’s first innings, he should get a nobel prize.

    • CY says:

      01:41pm | 24/08/09

      I must be getting old. I wanted to be one of those whinging Aussies that some of the gloating Poms want us to be but all I can think at the moment is “meh”

      The point of making cricket exciting wasn’t for the Aussies to become worse but for the other teams to improve and beat us (which is why I was more impressed by the walloping we were given by the South Africans – a wonderful cricket team lead by an imaginative captain)

      A sad, sad day when I’ve come to realise I enjoy watching soccer more than cricket – and I hate soccer!!

      Well done England. Bad luck Australia.

      What I want to know is:
      * Why none of the Aussies write a tour diary anymore? How hard is it to jot down “9am got up and ate breakfast. 9:40am missed team bus”?
      * When is Trott’s autobiography is coming out (now he’s got 1 Test under his belt)?

    • Arnold Layne says:

      02:11pm | 24/08/09

      @Garry - Shane Warne (or Joe the Cameraman depending on who you believe) actually said “He can’t bowl and he can’t throw” with reference to Scott Muller.  Batting didn’t come into it, although I don’t recall Muller being much chop with the blade either.

    • James says:

      02:14pm | 24/08/09

      The comments having a crack at Ponting (not just here) are pretty silly don’t you think? 

      1.  He’s not the only one with a say in who takes the field, if you’re going to criticise him for that then you should also have a go at Merv Hughes, Jamie Cox, Andrew Hilditch, David Boon, the coach etc. (but I guess that wouldn’t be the popular thing to do)

      2.  Pontings dropped catch?  Yep, he was the only one to drop a catch… oh what’s that did I hear someone say Marcus North dropped a sitter amongst other mistakes by other players.

      3.  RE: the pitch, at the on ground presentation, he was asked by the TV presenter what he thought of the pitch, what do you people expect him to do, lie and say it was fantastic?  It wasn’t & he said what he thought - basically that it was a shithouse wicket, but it didn’t favour either side and wasn’t a contributing factor to the loss. - what’s wrong with that?  I seem to recall pretty much every commentator from Sky & SBS saying the same thing all game long.

      4. Pontings run out? yep, Michael clarke wasn’t run out, nor was North stumped, it’s all Pontings fault.

      Congrats to England, what’s that now - Aus 31 series wins V Eng 29 series wins - it’s getting close, see you next year!

    • Seen it all before says:

      02:57pm | 24/08/09

      Well done England. I think that saying you are now able to go for no 1 is a bit rich.  Australia has been struggling for a while and is clearly not at the top of its game.  Although the standard of world cricket seems to have faultered and noone is playing consistantly dominating exciting cricket England is way off the mark and has a long way to go to be genuine competitors with SA and India.  Unlike England the groundwork has already been done in Australia; with some smart picks and a stronger captain Australia will challenge before England.

    • Dave says:

      03:39pm | 24/08/09

      Many of the comments are of a very poor standard and feflect both a lack of cricket knowledge and sportsmanship thankfully there are some excellent comments too.
      As a South African who has lived in Australia for many years and has played cricket in all three countries, I can say that the comment about “whingeing poms” is sometimes more relevant to our Aussie mates.
      Perhaps there are some of you out there who were equally amazed that Hauritz wasn’t in the team and I can guarantee you that Brad Hodge would have scored plenty of runs in the series if the current “selection panel” didn’t have something against him.

    • Hughsey says:

      03:56pm | 24/08/09

      I suggest Dave goes back to primary school as his comment demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the English language and basic mathematics -  “feflect” is not a word and Australia and South Africa are only two countries.

      Playing cricket also doesn’t guarantee knowledge or understanding of the game - look at the Australian selectors.  I believe Billy Bowden has also played cricket sometime in the past and he like your countryman Dr Rudi has no clue whatsoever regarding the game of cricket and their sportsmanship can certainly come under question after a deplorable series (the beneficiaries of the good calls are irrelevant, cheating is the only explanation for them though).

    • Wayde says:

      04:50pm | 24/08/09

      Not sure about an ashes ‘fallout’. Australia performed exceptionally well considering they went into the first test with a bowling attack with a combined match experience of 35 tests (21 from Johnson).  I can see many a happy day in the very near future from this attack.  Although the selectors will, and should, cop plenty from the result, it should be aimed at the selection of the touring party, not the final test makeup.  They misread the pitch. It happens. England also misread it, or Panesar would have played. The selectors have made some exceptional decisions this tour. Hilfenhaus, Watson and North to name a few, but unfortunately they do not make up for leaving at home one of Hodge/Klinger or one of Kreja/McGain. Before anyone chimes in with the ages of Hodge/McGain, I’d rather play a 38 year old and win the Ashes now, than play a 28 year old and maybe win them in 4 years time. Yes, I’m shattered, but the future of Australian cricket is looking very bright indeed.

    • davido says:

      04:51pm | 24/08/09

      I can lose 2-1 as a visitor anytime. Losing 5-0 is a humiliation the English will never live down.

      I thought our players behaved impeccably. Our sportsmanship was much better. We didnt sledge. England did. We didnt cheat. We didnt use illegal delaying tactics. England did. We can hold our heads up high, something which the English cannot do.

    • Lionheart says:

      05:49pm | 24/08/09

      Wonderful to read all the Aussie sour-grapes, especially the sulky davido - priceless! England are holding their heads up high because there is some reality in what Strauss predicts for our country’s cricket team.  It has been great to see what our young players have produced and it augurs well for the future.  Australia on the other hand have whinged about the pitch, the umpires, the English - and yes, they did try some sledging on Trott but it seemed to fire him up to a lion performance.

      Oh and you couldnt beat us in the World Athletics championships either.  To watch Wroe trying impotently to catch the magisterial Rooney on the last leg of the 4 x 400m relay, was a great image to set alongside that of Strauss holding the little urn.

    • Simon Page says:

      06:09pm | 24/08/09

      The Ashes was not lost at Oval but at Lord’s and Cardiff.  The Aussie bowlers performance at Lords should have given warning signs to selectors that bowling strength was a major problem as it proved to be in Cardiff.  With so many excellent ex-cricketers in Australia why go for selectors like Merv Hughes ( known only for sledging ) and Boon.  It is a surreal sight for Aussies to see their side beaten twice in England.  Warnie should have been a consultant.  He knew English pitches like an English cricketer having played in England county.
      Every one, knows that Oval needs a spinner.

    • Norman says:

      06:15pm | 24/08/09

      Your comment
      The national sport in England is football ( soccer).  Top footballers earn
      the salary in 1 week which a top cricketer earns in 1 year.  Cricket is a minority sport and 75% of England do not bother to watch cricket.  Talented kids take up football.  Hence SA are coming to play crickets here.  What you see as a cricketing talent in England is second or third rate ( as the football attracts all the talents) and to be beaten by them is really bad as the cricket
      is a top spectator sport in Australia. You need to change your team and particularly your selectors.

    • wayne says:

      06:39pm | 24/08/09

      England have been manipulating the rules of cricket since before 1930 and they still are and soon as someone tries to do the same back to them they cry foul just look at leg side theory and so on.

    • Peter says:

      07:09pm | 24/08/09

      Love the Punter.
      A Great Australian in my book !!
      He’ll be back, I guarantee it.

    • Richard says:

      07:29pm | 24/08/09

      I wish to make it clear that I am NOT the “Richard” above who wrote the utter rubbish about the Aussies allegedly whingeing.  Frankly, I have heard no whingeing at all from Ponting or any of the other Aussies, merely gracious acknowlegement of defeat and expressions of natural disappointment, as you would expect.  He also made the obvious comment that, given the pitch, they probably should have played a spinner.  THIS IS NOT WHINGEING, merely a factually-based comment.  Why do some people delight in putting the boot into Aussie teams and making ridiculous and unwarranted remarks about behaviour which didn’t happen? Pathetic stuff.  An Australian team in rebuilding mode lost a cricket match.  Get over it.

    • Wilbur says:

      08:38pm | 24/08/09

      As an Australian living in London, I feel incredibly disppointed to lose the Ashes, but it is not accurate to call Ponting a whinger and I am proud he is our captain. He stated his opinion on the pitch as fact and was gracious and fair in defeat - even when he was booed on to most pitched by the ‘morons’ as even Sir Ian Botham called them in commentary. As for soft? Try taking a cricket ball to the cheek, losing a tooth, and barely flinching and playing on…sometimes another team just plays better than you, it doesn’t mean a whole team is a failure.

    • Tommo says:

      09:33pm | 24/08/09

      I agree with an earlier poster - a lot of ill-informed nonsense on this comments board. The new world rankings don’t lie. Australia are still adjsuting to life after the golden generation. This will take time, but they need to back guys like Hughes, Johnson and Siddle who clearly have great potential. I wouldn’t write-off Hussey and Lee just yet either. England are a pretty young team too with an inexperienced captain and lacking quality in the middle order. Both are some way behind SA and India.  As a cricket lover who happens to be English, I think the criticism that Ponting gets is unbelievable. He is an all time great with the bat and I think has shown great dignity in the way he has handled himself and the team. He is your greatest asset in my opinion. Don’t slaughter the guy. (He should have thrown the ball to Hilfenhaus in that last hour at Cardiff though.)

    • Andy Steed says:

      10:03pm | 24/08/09

      Agent Johnson can come home now - his work is done. Easily our man of the series. Clarke, North, Ponting, Hilfenhaus, Siddle and Katich (and prob even Watson) can hold their heads up high as I thought they were all excellent. England flattered to deceive but profitted from wasteful Australia who were uncharasteristically the least ruthless tourists we’ve seen on these shores for some time. Aussies will cut the deadwood and prob be best in the world in 1-2 years so I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water and anybody questioning Ricky Ponting’s ability to lead a world beating test cricket team needs their head checking, he’s pretty much peerless in world cricket. We’re only so hard on him because he’s so good (plus a good sport most of the time). Might want to review your selection policies though cos they were at best iffy all through the tour.

    • Greg says:

      10:12pm | 24/08/09

      Thrashed ??????? Hardly ..... that was what the Aussie did to them last time, remember 5-0 ....... Poms become #1 test team ?? ... mmmmm thats a scary thought but them if they keep dragging players in from other countries to play for them I guess its possible and if they are really lucky in England there’ll be MBE’s for everyone

    • nikk says:

      10:17pm | 24/08/09

      England deserved to win ashes. They thoroughly outplayed aussies in final test match. they looked confident too right from the day one. well, I dont think ponting should quit captancy or he needs to be sacked. he is great player and good captain as well. Hauritz absence made a difference for sure. the retirement of Mcgrath, Warne, Gilly & Hayden has made tremendous difference particularly in bowling attack….things would not be easy for aussies….

    • Ross says:

      10:44pm | 24/08/09

      Wow, and they say us Poms whinge! I’m not sure either team had much in the way of greatness but when it came to most of the battles England were better. All the stuff about the pitch is sour grapes that you didn’t pick a spinner. Even if it was prepared to manufacture a result it’s hardly shocking behaviour nor is it something that doesn’t happen at Australian test grounds. Umpiring decisions? Nah, I’m not having that. The umpires were shocking to each side roughly the same amount. Losing the toss so many times was unlucky although worked in your favour at Headingley. Thanks for the urn sports.

    • Mike Burn says:

      01:11am | 25/08/09

      Don’t get too carried away, you guys. Yeah we don’t play well away from our littlegreen isle, but we are tending to beat you now when you come here. I detect some whinging in some of these postings - thought that was our prerogative…

      Some of you point out that your strongest players have retired - the ones that played in your 5-0 whopping last time. They also played in England in the previous series…

      Dragging players in from other countries ? Some of your players’ names look pretty English to me ! Don’t forget your heritage !

    • Ben Dowell, London says:

      02:42am | 25/08/09

      As for the South African argument, let’s put this to rest. Aside from the obvious fact that all the players - Strauss, Pietersen and Trott - have English ancestry two words: Kepler and Wessels. Aussies weren’t averse to having a South African play for them before cynically jumping ship when his “real” nation were readmitted to international sport. Anyway. More importantly, I’m not alone in loving every minute of this Ashes series espy after the tedious debacle of 2006/7

    • Alex Stewart says:

      09:47am | 25/08/09

      two very equal teams. great series. i could go another 5 matches right now.
      Just shows how much Warne was class though. I don’t think we would have won this Ashes if he had been on the tour. Cardiff—Warne would have sorted that out—same for that Oval wicket. He would have been unplayable on that dust bowl.
      That South African argument is a bit lame. As you guys know we are a colonial bunch—we like to spread out!

    • Hughsey says:

      11:36am | 25/08/09

      Ben Dowell, here’s one word for you “apartheid”.  Wessells had no options and only played for Australia because South Africa weren’t playing cricket.  He was returning the favour to Australia after his financial future had been assured after World Series Cricket.  Wessells obviously had the class that your english “natives” lack too by moving back once his native country was playing again.  Your “england” (read world xi) allows players who make lifestyle decisions (although not exactly an improvement if you ask me) to front up for them no questions asked.  If Australia went on an international scouting exercise I’m sure they might do better too.

    • Dave says:

      03:37pm | 25/08/09

      An Australian mentioning apartheid, is a bit rich that mate

    • sneaky_ypetey says:

      07:04pm | 31/08/09

      Davido, don’t try to make out you are all the greatest sports people on earth. I have lived in Australia for 30 and have for year in and year out seen what rubbish visiting teams have had to put up with when playing here. Australian players claiming dodgy catches (one Australian commentator said when Steve Waugh took a catch “Yes the umpire’s given Waugh the benefit of the doubt”) , aggressive appealing to pressure umpires to give LBW’s, Australian umpires umpiring Australians, (should never happen they can’t put their bias aside), doctored pitches (Sydney, Perth). Stop moaning all you whinging Australians and get on with it. It’s not ‘as long as we win and it does not matter how we do it’. Which is what you are teaching all your children.

 

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