Regardless of who won the South Australian election there was always going to be argument as to whether it provided any lessons for Canberra. Like just about every state election campaign I’ve been involved in over the last 20 years, the direct federal implications in this campaign were limited.

SA Premier Mike Rann, right, with his treasurer Kevin Foley in Adelaide on Saturday night after polling day. Pic: AAP

Australians understand the difference between state and federal issues and generally resist attempts by politicians to intertwine them. For example, I recall watching focus groups in state election campaigns during the Howard years where participants rejected the notion that state Liberals would adopt WorkChoices. This, they said, was a federal issue and therefore not relevant to their decisions about state elections.

They also said that they would judge the federal Liberals harshly when the time came - and they did.

Sometimes federal governments are so unpopular that they can damage the overall party “brand”. This happened in 1974 when Bjelke-Petersen thrashed Labor at the hustings at the height of the anti-Whitlam hysteria that swept Queensland and other states.

By contrast, Neville Wran led NSW Labor out of the wilderness in May 1976, just five months after the dismissal of the Whitlam Government and the subsequent federal Liberal landslide.

Conversely, Bob Carr led Labor to power less than a year before Paul Keating was defeated and certainly at a time when the gloss had gone off the Keating government.

I am struggling to recall a federal election where the popularity or otherwise of a state government or opposition affected the outcome of the federal election in that state.

Its really a case of water not being able to flow uphill. In other words, unpopular federal governments will sometimes - but not always - infect their state branches but not the reverse.

During the recent South Australian campaign the only specific federal issue that touched voters was the Rudd government announcement that it would take from the states principal responsibility for hospital services.

Liberal Leader, Isobel Redmond, went to Canberra - ostensibly to be briefed on the plan by the federal government - and returned a day later saying Kevin Rudd had many questions to answer. She then failed to actually ask any questions at all on possibly the most important issue involving federal/state relations since the Commonwealth took over responsibility for income tax collection during the Second World War.

This was the first and last attempt to introduce a federal issue into the campaign.

Since then Tony Abbott and his spin machine have attempted to get up the argument that voters in South Australia were rejecting Rann’s so called “all talk no action” approach to politics and they would do the same with Rudd. The problem with this argument (ignoring the fact that Rann looks like losing just three seats after 15 years as Labor leader) is that in neither the South Australian nor the federal cases is Abbott’s claim supported by the facts.

Both jurisdictions have been enjoying low unemployment, stimulus supported development and steady economic growth. Across the country Australians are essentially happy with the economy and its management.

And this, arguably, is the one area where there are some lessons to be taken from the South Australian campaign. It took until the last week of that election for the question of economic management to become a serious point of distinction between the two parties.

From the first day of the campaign Labor had been pressing the case that the Liberals were fudging on their costings. With little early effect, Rann, Foley and Hill argued that there were serious flaws in the Liberal assertion that they could save $1 billion by rebuilding the Royal Adelaide Hospital on its existing site rather than relocating to a new site nearby.

One week ago today Labor was staring defeat in the face. Then came Vickie Chapman’s inexcusable intervention in the Liberal campaign where she failed to rule out a leadership challenge to Redmond.

This gave voters the first tangible demonstration in the election of our claim that Redmond and the Liberals were not in fact ready to govern.

Then on the second last day of the campaign the Opposition released its costings and they were a mess. There were no savings identified in the rebuild of the Royal Adelaide and they had completely failed to put aside any funds for the widening of the Southern Expressway.

These problems were further compounded when the Shadow Treasurer, Stephen Griffiths, admitted that their claims about saving $1 billion were “spin” and savings would not be realised for years.

So, on the eve of the election, voters were confronted with television images of Isobel Redmond being savaged by reporters as she tried to explain away these gaffes by her Shadow Treasurer who had now gone to ground.

In the wash up a sizeable portion of the South Australian public shyed away from voting Liberal because the Opposition suddenly looked risky on the issue of economic management.

The danger for Tony Abbott - and a lesson from this campaign - is that Australians will ultimately see him and his economic team as a risk.

This would have been unthinkable when Costello was in charge of the coffers - but now things have changed.

Abbott himself proclaims that he is uninterested in economics, his Shadow Treasurer, Joe Hockey, is the embodiment of bluff and blunder and Barnaby Joyce struggles to be seen as anything but a fiscal practical joke.

If there is a lesson to be learned from the South Australian election it is this - Australians never have and never will elect a party which they see as a risk to the national economy or their household budgets.

Bruce Hawker was an adviser to the Labor Party during the recent South Australian elections.

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    • Charles says:

      07:30am | 22/03/10

      Of course Bruce you fail to note that water is a big issue in SA which has caused a lot of angst in SA, and it is a federal issue mostly via Rudd and Wong.

      The biggest issue though is the one of spin, where Mike Rann and Jill Bottrall have poured out enough spin and propaganda over the last 8 years to make most people tooroughly sick of it.  They also realise this is the modus operandi of Kevin Rudd and the federal government, and are quite prepared to make the link.

      Rann might retain the premier’s office, but he is now so disliked within SA that it will be almost impossible for the ALP to govern with any integrity, as no-one believes them any more, or has any trust in them.  SA will probably become a basket case like NSW and QLD, and voters will be waiting with baseball bats when the next election comes around.

    • Politically incorrect Formersnag says:

      09:06am | 22/03/10

      @ Charles, correct, but he also neglected to mention that there were a lot of people avoiding both of the “major mistakes”.

      Unfortunately, too many of them were spun into voting red/green, which is a preference vote for the red/green/labour coalition. Hopefully the sheeple will wake up to this before the next federal election.

      http://www.democrats.org.au/

      http://australianpolitics.com/parties/list.shtml

      The second link contains a complete list of all, Australian Political Parties. Please consider them, vote for a REAL alternative, minor party, only grudgingly, direct your preference vote to the least worst of the “major mistakes” & then maybe there will be some hope for our future.

      Get all “Polly” staff stooges or “Galahs” of the net.

    • Macon Paine says:

      11:03am | 22/03/10

      @ Politically incorrect Formersnag

      Couple of points. I agree people need to really look at diverting their votes away from the “major mistakes” as you put it but you are doing this cause no favours with your arrogant statement, “Unfortunately, too many of them were spun into voting red/green, which is a preference vote for the red/green/labour coalition. Hopefully the sheeple will wake up to this before the next federal election”
      Questioning our intelligence (by infering people cant see they are being spun) and then labelling everyone “sheeple” like some petulant conspiracy theorist is certainly no way to win people over, here’s a tip, dont insult or ridicule people and they may be more open.
      And is your link to the democrats a joke? It had me laughing for about 2 minutes! You complain about people being “spun” into voting for the red/green/labor coalition, then you link to party (who according to your link “are reviewing all their policies”, is that because they dont know what they stand for?) which historically gives it’s preferences to said coalition! Pull the other one formersnag.

    • Politically incorrect Formersnag says:

      06:51pm | 22/03/10

      @ Macon Paine, “The Australian Democrats” never directed preferences to either of the “major mistakes”, but handed out “how to vote cards” showing, how to direct preferences to both sides, left & right. Thus leaving it up to the individual voter to make up their own mind.

      As there were plenty of supporters from both sides of politics, of the type of person who was more likely to be a thinking or swinging voter, voting #1 for the democrats, their preferences usually flowed in a fairly similar pattern to the swing of other voters in the election.

      Which could be why committed communists, socialists & old labour hacks, set up the red/greens as a false shop front, to fool disgruntled labour voters into thinking, they were having a protest vote & then sending the preferences back to labour anyway.

      You could always try somebody else, DLP, AFP, LDP, etc. if you love your children just don’t vote for the red/green/labour “conspiracy”.

      Get all “Polly” staff stooges or “Galahs” off the net

    • Peter Smith says:

      10:46pm | 22/03/10

      Amazing. Typical Labor adviser. Mr Hawker forgot to advise that the Australian Government is in huge debt for little “real” return. My children will have to pay for their mismanagement . They will be paying 3-5 times for a house the amount due to higher interest rates so we can pay the banks back. Great isnt it. I wonder how much Mr Hawker got paid by the ALP. I might even leave and live in New Zealand.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:55am | 23/03/10

      Peter,

      I start by wishing you a safe trip to NZ.
      As to your comments on interest rates, they are still the lowest they have been fo many years, so what is your point?

    • Marlee says:

      07:30am | 22/03/10

      I am just relieved Mike Rann did not get the boot and I am in N.SW,  I have never followed another states election before, but that whole Chantelois situation I felt was terrible for Mr Rann and his family. I don’t like Tony Abbot at all and I won’t be voting for him. I saw prancing on the news last night in his new budgie smugglers. oh gee what a turn off. Please Mr Abbott keep your duds on

    • steve says:

      09:04am | 22/03/10

      Marlee unless you lived in his seat you would not be voting for Tony Abbot , or are you saying you would not vote Liberal which you probably would not have done anyway. the issue is do you want to give KRudd another 3 years of Debt and distruction?

    • Mavis says:

      09:28am | 22/03/10

      Marlee, if you vote against someone just because they wear speedoes, you are at the lowest level of the gene pool and you should not be entrusted with a vote.

    • Marlee says:

      09:49am | 22/03/10

      I mean I would not vote Liberal, a vote for Liberal is a vote for Tony Abbot being Pm, I just can’t stand the man and I was shocked when he was made leader. I might have voted for Malcome, he proved himself to me by standing up for what he believed in. I was very impressed. I like Joe but I in all honesty think Abbot is a show pony and I don’t believe a word he says he changes his mind to much.

    • Andrew says:

      10:22am | 22/03/10

      @Marlee: You think Abbott is a show pony? Keeps changing his mind?

      Rudd changes his entire persona to suit his circumstances. Not every day. Every meeting!

      Before the election he was an economic conservative then he writes articles attacking the whole basis of our financial system. Before Xmas man made Climate change was “the greatest moral challenge of our time”. Heard much about it lately?

      If you dislike Abbott for the imagined problems you have listed then you should despise the Rudd government for the significantly more serious crimes against reality that they continue to foist on the Australian electorate.

    • Hinton says:

      10:48am | 22/03/10

      Mavis your gene pool is not that great either!!  you spell speedo’s like that!! Learn to spell child before you waste school time criticizing others personal taste and voting choices

    • persephone says:

      11:23am | 22/03/10

      Andrew

      what nonsense. Rudd speaks differently to different audiences; his message is consistent.

      Abbott doesn’t speak differently to different audiences, he says different things to different audiences - and different things in the morning to what he says in the afternoon (he’s a bit of a weathervane like that).

      This is a man who went to the last election campaigning for an ETS - where is he on that? Who is ‘bored by economics’. Who was Health Minister for five years and is now only recognising that the system has problems - but still hasn’t more than a four word (local boards, more beds) solution for them.

    • Andrew says:

      12:44pm | 22/03/10

      Pers, Nonsense. Rudd is a hollow cut-out with no conviction on anything. Stands for nothing, does nothing unless its a mistake then goes on national TV and says “it’s harder than I thought it would be”. He is a hoax. A one term wonder. If possible he is actually worse than Gough.
      By the way, you didn’t address my question. What’s he doing about the greatest moral challenge of our time? Nothing, cause he got spanked on that and so he is trying to move the debate to “safe” labor areas such as health. I can’t wait to see him stuff that up as well.
      The Rudd government is a train wreck. Choo Choo…ALL aboard for the Kevin Wreckin’ Express ... first stop Deficit Ville followed by Spintown and then MeaCulpaLopolis.
      Funny thing is you’ll still be singing his praises when he is flushed because you are intractable, close minded and without a modicum of reason. You argue for arguments sake.
      Six months ago labor in s.a. were unbeatable. On saturday they barely hung on to government with less of the primary vote than the liberals, and that is with the s.a. liberals being fairly useless. I can’t wait to see Kevin and his crew get a shellacking at the polls.

    • persephone says:

      01:15pm | 22/03/10

      He’s a policy wonk, Andrew. Good policy wonks put their own personal feelings aside and look at the facts when making decisions.

      It doesn’t mean that they stand for nothing, it means that they value good decision making over personal convinctions.

      The ETS is coming back to Parliament. I can’t see what else can be done with it at present, given the Opposition have shown that they can’t negotiate with good faith and the numbers aren’t there in the Senate.

      And it was your side of politics who were saying there wasn’t any rush, so I’m not sure what your problem is.

      It seems you think that ‘following a leader’ is a matter of expediency and that once the leader fails, people shouldn’t defend their record. Strange world view, demonstrating the fickleness and disloyalty of your side of politics.

      Which is why Labor is still proud of Gough and his achievements, whilst the Liberals hide their past leaders away from view.

    • Ryan says:

      01:17pm | 22/03/10

      @Marlee: now that you have offended every surf lifesaver in the country by having a go at what, go figure, one of our volunteer surf lifesavers was wearing, the uniform, do you care to apologise to surf lifesaving Australia or are you one of those people that like to see one of our most prestigious volunteer organisations spat upon?

    • Andrew says:

      01:41pm | 22/03/10

      Pers,
      Where to start?
      Policy wonk - read - looks to be taking action on things he thinks he can get popular support for then when the tide turns he runs a mile. Yes the liberals said there was no rush but Rudd said it was urgent, imperative and P Wong reckons if we don’t do something immediately we’ll all be underwater.  Still they’ve gone absolutely silent on it. C’mon this government does not have the courage of its convictions and you know it.
      Not only that, they are proving that they weren’t ready to govern. They have been on training wheels since elected and have failed ever major test they have faced. THey have thrown money around like there is no tomorrow with only failure and waste to show for it. And puhlease don’t roll out the line they saved us from the GFC. Its bogus tired and old. If the rest of the world thought that way they would have appointed Rudd and Swan to get them al out of trouble.
      If you are honest with yourself you would have to say that on a report card basis these guys would rate as abject failures.
      Instead, you will try to convince the electorate that the failures haven’t been real failures and then you will attack the opposition.
      Funny thing is the more you attack the opposition the more people will realise (1) No one in the labor party is interested in their own performance only staying in power and (2) Labor is scared.
      As for celebrating the achievements of Whitlam ... pull the other one.

    • Mavis says:

      02:28pm | 22/03/10

      My apologies, Hinton. I forgot they taught all labor bloggers to spell speedos and budgie smugglers properly at trade union training school. It is a vital platform to your re-election and keeping your snouts in the taxpayer funded trough. Pity about how you are wrecking our country.

    • persephone says:

      02:36pm | 22/03/10

      As someone much wittier than I am said, Andrew, asking what Rudd has done besides save us from the worst impacts of the GFC is like saying to Roger Federer, “OK, apart from winning four grand slam titles, exactly what have you achieved this year?”

      I know the Liberals want to divert attention from the fact that the bulk of the world’s economy went down the toilet and we rose to the surface triumphantly (hmmm, maybe a bad analogy there!!) but the fact is, it was a major challenge and Rudd met it.

      And the rest of the world has looked at what Rudd and Swan did for guidance, with the NZ Prime Minister recently saying that his aim was to bring NZ’s economy closer to Australia’s.

      And yes, we on the Labor side have always been proud of Whitlam’s achievements and always will be. Especially on a day like today, when the US votes for universal healthcare - thirty five years after Whitlam introduced it here.

    • Hinton says:

      02:36pm | 22/03/10

      Your spelling is matched only by your intelligence and witt Mavis, all are sadly lacking. I am not in The Union, I simply dislike rude children who try belittle adults and can’t spell correctly enough to do it. Come back when you are of voting age

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      02:38pm | 22/03/10

      Megalomaniacal Media Mike was the one bringing up the Chantelois factor & trying to milk it for all it was worth on the “sympathy vote”, Marlee would you rather have Bob Hawke from loonyville bumbling around in his budgie smuggles instead, or is it because your old man can’t fill his budgie like Tony does.

    • Marlee says:

      02:54pm | 22/03/10

      Oh Piffle Ryan Tony Abbot is an old man, he needs to keep his pants on. Our lifesavers are young and hot to trot. Women, including me adore them, hell i try to drown just so they can save me. I never meant for everyone to jump in and respond I am just giving my personal opinion, if yours differs to mine that’s fine , but I am not spending the rest of my life answering you. Some of you sound like Tony Abbot making up as you go. You don’t know me so try not to pretend you know how I think. Its just silly If we all thought and acted the same what a boring world it would be.

    • Andrew says:

      03:13pm | 22/03/10

      @Marlee,

      Seriously? Abbott is an old man. A few people have had a go at you for being a little silly and forming political views based on what you consider our pollies should and shouldn’t wear. Really, who gives a toss.
      OK if you think Abbott or indeed Rudd is the anti-christ then by all means attack their policies, their intelligence, their ethics etc. But really, they’re speedos??

      If I have this correctly. You are having a go at TA because every Sunday, when he can, he takes part as a member of a surf life saving club, in an event designed to keep you fit and active. The particular rules laid down by that organisation state male competitors are to wear speedos.

      Would you rather he was not a member of the organisation. Would it assuage your aesthetic concerns if no men whether they be hunky young surf live savers or middle aged dads like me were allowed to wear speedos. Perhaps we could have an age inspector on beaches to ensure compliance. We could start a whole new department. The Department of Clothing Change.
      We could tax all beach users to set up the bureaucracy based of course in Canberra and headed by, oh I don’t know some old labor croney.
      Great labor could control our lifes just that little bit more.
      It would make as much sense as most other labor policies and infinitely more sense than you.

    • Mavis says:

      03:19pm | 22/03/10

      Hinton, when I reach voting age, I hope I will be able to vote on something more substantial than “budgie smugglers”. Pity, you are too much of a ding-a-ling to see the obvious. Enjoy your time at the trough.

    • Andrew says:

      03:25pm | 22/03/10

      Pers, you continue to prove yourself able at debating but terrible at convincing.

      Look, the western hemisphere financial markets were a mess. Sub prime mortgage and credit default swaps were the tip of a very greedy and highly leveraged ice berg (Lehmans had $1 of capital for every $42 of debt).

      Asian, particularly Chinese and Indian demand always meant (once they had used up their inventories) we would be little troubled by a western hemisphere crisis. Add to that the strength of our banking and funds management industries and you get alot of talk about recession without a recession.

      To borrow from your analogy, attributing Rudd and Co with saving Australia from the GFC is like attributing the ball boy with Federer’s success.

      As for your opinion of Gough. Jeez, there may be no hope for you at all!

    • Ryan says:

      03:37pm | 22/03/10

      @Marlee: Oh I get it, so its only us older volunteer surf lifesavers who are offensive in our traditional wear, great, I will report back to Surf Lifesaving Australia that the Labor voting public don’t want older surf lifesavers to save lives. Absolutely disgusting!

    • persephone says:

      05:15pm | 22/03/10

      Not me, Andrew, it’s the international community which is giving Rudd the credit, most recently the NZ Prime Minister.

      Argue with them, all those poor deluded world leaders and economic experts who seem to think Rudd’s pulled off something quite remarkable.

      I’m just the messenger here.

    • Paul says:

      07:57am | 22/03/10

      Rann cannot fix the monumental water and farming challenges of SA yet I thought he was selling himself on what he was going to do for the future of the state. (Not that I think the Lib bureaucrats can stuff it up any worse either!) Rann has been to busy prancing around saying he is tough on crime and taking away hard won civil rights and imposing on us his control freakism with internet censorship. Focus Rann!

      The biggest disappointment of the weekends election is that we will have to endure another 3 years of narcissistic Rann blogs on the Punch. Lord give me patience.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:05am | 22/03/10

      You think imaginary friends will help you??? Funny Abbott has one that drives his policy or lack of. Maybe it’s the round peg of 2000 yr old rhetoric he’s trying to put into a square peg of 2010 Abbott spin. As usual we’re seeing on the morning news today more Tony Baloney and his cronies spinning like DJ’s… I think there is tune there no pulse, beat or tempo… or maybe just the wind.

    • Moggy says:

      12:19pm | 22/03/10

      Hey Rob r Charteris….Krudd has imaginary friends too, you know. Or pretends he does just to keep the bible bashers happy, or to hoodwink the public into believing his ‘Gentle Jesus’ persona. So buddy when you attack Abbott for his religious convictions you heed to attack Krudd as well.

    • John says:

      08:09am | 22/03/10

      Well Mr Hawker, given your association with the labor (sic) party, I really do take this column with a few grains - no, make it bags of salt

    • persephone says:

      08:29am | 22/03/10

      Ah, John, but no actual arguments against him?

      And there’s nothing sick (sic) about the spelling of ‘Labor’.

    • David says:

      09:18am | 22/03/10

      I agree John, I don’t know how anybody can vote for a party that can’t spell their own name properly! smile

    • Andrew says:

      09:16am | 22/03/10

      Persephone, what’s the use in arguing with a guy who’s income depends on labor remaining in power? He will do and say anything to keep them there.
      I would bet if tomorrow, by some magical transformation, Abbott was Labor Leader and Rudd was Liberal Leader, Bruce Hawker would claim Rudd was a religious nut, climate change denier, inexperienced, economic incompetent whilst Abbott is a saint. That’s what you get with Hawker Britton. No matter what the policy they have to support labor. Their bread and butter depends on it.
      Then again, not much use telling you Pers, you as dyed in the wool labor as they come.
      Damn, just wasted 5 minutes.

    • luke09 says:

      01:01pm | 22/03/10

      The article is only relevant if Kevin Rudd is PM, since Julia Gillard or Greg Combet will be PM soon, the article is irrelevant and nothing more than fiction.  rolleyes

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:16am | 22/03/10

      I am getting so sick of the crap spin that comes out of the liberal’s mouths these days. At the same time ranting how they never put a spin on anything if you are prepared to listen to senator Michin on Sunday. When are they going to show what positive things they intend to campaign on. I mean do they really think Australians are that dumb??? what have they offered??? Nothing!!!! Abbott says he not going to release his health plan, I wonder if that is because he does have a health plan or fears it being scrutinised like he want to scrutinise the governments. He says the opposition is there to scrutinise the government, surely he cant be that silly, I mean he’s been in the game long enough to know obstruct, smear and fear doesn’t make for good policy. People will turn off that sort of continual spin with no substance. In fact I would speculate people are already turning off this lil man. At the end of the day they didn’t sweep either the Tassie or SA premiers from government…. and these are long standing incumbents that should of easily been removed. As usual this all point to the fact we cant trust the Liberals they tend to put out there; policy, that has dramatic and at times disastrous consequences for the average Australian.

    • Rodger Rabbit says:

      09:02am | 22/03/10

      It’s got to the stage , where I am so fed up with negativity of The Liberals when they come on tv I change channels. I have never done that with any opposition before. I was pleased to see Mike Rann won his seat , a personal campaign was conducted against him and many Australian’s do not see that as fair play, fortunately either do many South Aussies in his electorate. Most of us understand the difference between State and Federal elections. I suppose new Australians might have a problem with that, but the rest of us are not that naive.

    • Moggy says:

      12:29pm | 22/03/10

      Rob…...Rudd & his team are a total disaster. Do you know that he’s only having rooves with the aluminium insulation checked & NOT the rooves with batts in in them??? Do you know that here in Melbourne there have been many fires already in homes with badly installed batts in?? Do you know that Rudd’s answer to us with suspect batts in our rooves is “Too bad. You have to pay to get it inspected!” Do you know that it will cost us pensioners $100 to get the check done…out of our meagre pension?? I voted for Rudd. I will NOT vote for him again NOR his state colleagues either. And as for “spin”....get your head out of your backside & face reality…..Rudd is NOTHING BUT SPIN!!! And by the way before you start your personal attack on me I’m using my sons computer & broadband!!

    • persephone says:

      02:41pm | 22/03/10

      No, Moggy, you’re incorrect.

      Roofs with foil insulation - almost exclusively in QLD, btw - are being checked, it’s true, but anyone who has any concerns about their insulation (if it was installed under the govt program) can ring up for advice. If their concerns turn out to have a genuine basis, their roofs will be checked by a professional.

      As well as this, I think there are a large number of random checks happening as well.

      It’s also been shown fairly conclusively that the number of house fires due to insulation fell under the program.

      And, in the end, it’s the installers who failed to do their job properly, not the government.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      03:03pm | 22/03/10

      Roger Rabbit you are an absolute bunny! ! ! What personal campaign? ? ? Mikey was the one that kept on dragging out Chantelois every 5 minutes hoping for the public sympathy vote. The reality when you look at the swing against him in his own electorate it was HUGE! ! ! Unfortunately with the huge gerrymander his seat will always be Labor. Roger old chum I can hear the promises creaking under the strain as they are about to be broken. Just think, a football stadium/big business is more important than the safety of young offenders(you know, duty of care) but then he hasn’t come through on his 2006 promises yet. Of course you know with Ranndy back in power, there wont be an ICAC in SA.

    • Hugh says:

      08:23am | 22/03/10

      “Vickie Chapman’s inexcusable intervention in the Liberal campaign where she failed to rule out a leadership challenge to Redmond.”

      Labour spun this well right at the end of the campaign. The ironic thing is that Rann will not see out his term on such a significant swing.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:31am | 22/03/10

      No it wasn’t. It tells the electrate that there is still choas in the liberal party ranks. You see it at state level as well as federal. How can you expect a party to govern if there is infighting, it’s been going on for years. I have a prediction. Abbott honeymoon will be over and people will start to like him about as much as they liked Howard in 2007.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      03:08pm | 22/03/10

      Rob does the name Jay Weatherall mean anything to you, he slipped the knife in even before he knows whether there is even going to be another Ranndy government

    • Andy says:

      08:33am | 22/03/10

      Bruce Hawker .... nevers stops working. Now starting on the Federal Campaign.
      Is this his first insidious step to suggesting the TA led liberals have no economic credentials? Did I read correctly? Are you praising Costello? Already on the negative campaign trail because the Rudd government has no achievements to speak of only failures.
      Don’t you get dizzy with all the spin?
      Oh, and six months ago labor expected an increased majority in s.a. now, with a very much reduced majority and less than the liberals primary vote you somehow think its a triumph. Thats spin!

    • persephone says:

      09:21am | 22/03/10

      Yep, that’s the trouble with us Labor types…we believe in what we’re doing, so we never stop working.

      Unlike Mr Abbott, who only does politics when it doesn’t get in the way of his fitness regime.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:22am | 22/03/10

      One of the first things King Kev did for Health, was to fix Abbott descision not to appoint a Head Nurse, bring that part of the health sector back into the 21 century. And I suppose you think it was the Liberals who brought us through the GFC, if we had of follow them we would be a basket case. And one could only wonder at that embarrassment it would cause Australia if we had Abbott speaking for us on the international, especially at sometime like Copenhagen. The fact is your talking complete BS, drunk on the no policy and no substance liberal spin.

    • Andrew says:

      10:12am | 22/03/10

      @Pers, Believe? My point is Hawker’s continued success depends on labor winning whereas Australia’s success depends on the exact opposite happening. All he cares about is the Labor brand not about policy or government.

      @Rob R: Wow! What a load of crap. Here’s some home truths for you. Labor have done very little since elected except wantonly spend money on massive failures or indeed unqantifiable spending. Rudd has done Absolutely nothing and for him or his government to take credit for “guiding” Australia through the Western Hemisphere financial crisis is pure fantasy.
      As for his “performance” at Copenhagen ... pfft ... what a farce! How can you possibly say Abbott could perform worse than Rudd on the international stage? And since when do you think anyone in Australia cared about what went on in Copenhagen?
      Remind me again wasn’t Copenhagen going to be a truimph for Rudd? His chance to strut on the world world stage.
      Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he locked out of the final (non-binding ,indicative etc) negotiations? Talk about an embarrassment!

      Just on the waste side of things, the story gets worse and worse. The home insulation policy failure, the soon to be failed education infrastructure failure and the idiotic $900 cash handout.

      What a joke. $900 cash. What did people do with it,
      1. Piss it down the toilet on booze and pokies (at least the government then gets half of it back in taxes).
      2. Pay down debt (well that will really help stimulate spending).
      3. Buy a TV (excellent, 75% goes striaght to the Asian country producing the TV).
      4. I guess people could do what you have done and smoke it. That is the only explanation I could make for your comments.

    • Mark says:

      11:19am | 22/03/10

      You make me giggle Rob. We survived the “GFC” due to the economy being robust and in great shape from the many reforms Hawke/Keating brought in and the brilliant management and progressive policies under Howard and Costello. The basket case is developing with the Batt Disaster and the School Fraud and the NBN Farce. You think there will be a cent left in the till mate? Our money has already been poorly spent to save us from a “technical” recession. You know, from the mild downturn as the Treasury puts it.

      Oh and Copenhagen. Hahahahahahahaahahahaha. The embarrassment was the fact KRudd was a “friend of the chair” and didn’t he want us to know all about that fact before hand. Now that dog will not hunt anymore and it was an unitigated disaster for all the warmist zealots he will not come within 40 foot of AGW. He is running scared. Embarrassing? Like how about a totally fake letter from little Gracie being read to the world. Yeh, great thing to base a global economic reshuffle on. Good old 7 year old Gracie. Now there is a farce. That a political leader of a nation can get up and use Gracie as an excuse for economic upheaval is a national disgrace.You will come around eventually I am sure when the full extent of the mess we are in becomes apparent.

      By the way love how you guys are trying to use liberal and spin in the same breath now. Saying an untruth doesn’t make it fact. Your bloke has the monopoly on spin mate.

    • Macon Paine says:

      11:22am | 22/03/10

      @ persephone

      Whilst I usually find your posts to be interesting and I admire your conviction that you “believe in what we’re doing, so we never stop working.” It’s a bit rich for you to remark that only “Labor types” have this attitude, I could make the case that Costello and Howard believed in what they where doing when they payed off $96 Billion in debt while being opposed for making the necessary spending cuts, introducing the GST etc.
      It cuts both ways persephone and all policticans would be wise to remember that.

    • persephone says:

      11:31am | 22/03/10

      Macon

      If Howard and Costello had believed in what they were doing, surely they would have been upfront about it?

      Instead - although eventually they did take it to an election, having been left with no other option - they declared a GST was ‘never ever’ going to be introduced and didn’t tell anyone about their WorkChoices plans until they had control of the Senate.

      And, alas, ‘hard working Liberal politician’ is not a phrase which resonates. They seem to rely on stunts, distractions and obstructionism,  rather than actually putting in the work necessary to get across the line.

      I think Tasmania and SA bears this out. In both cases, the Liberals seemed to rely on Labor running out of puff, rather than actually putting in an effort.

    • Dingo says:

      12:15pm | 22/03/10

      The ALP would produce a fantastic Government if they put as much effort in to policy as they do into retaining power.

      Rudd’s being in power for two and a half years and they have not yet moved out of campaign mode. All we’ve heard is constant criticism of Howard, Turnbull and now Abbott.

      We haven’t seen one thing improve since this Government took office. Instead, illegal boats are back, the country is in massive debt, interest rates are rising and industrial strikes are starting again.

      Meanwhile, there’s no ETS, no improvement in hospitals, no viable NBN, worse conditions for workers and no reduction in petrol or grocery prices.

      No wonder Rudd wants Abbott to have a health policy ready for Tuesday’s debate. He needs someone to write the policy for him. It seems however, Abbott is not going to fall for that one.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:31pm | 22/03/10

      Dingo,

      Just what are you on about?  There are people on your side of the fence still harping back to Whitlam and Keating !!

      Go to an optician Dingo, you seem to cycloptic vision.

    • Andrew says:

      12:44pm | 22/03/10

      @Dingo, Spot On!

    • Macon Paine says:

      12:50pm | 22/03/10

      @ persephone

      Valid points, im not going to defend them over the workchoices debacle but why did you skip right over my debt remark in favour of attacking the GST?
      It’s my recollection that the GST (are you still smiting over this one? Get over it, if it was so bad Rudd should have campaigned against it like Beazley did but we all know what happened to “Bomber” when he did that) was basically a last resort, all other avenues had been explored including Beazley’s tax credits plan or whatever it was called and the GST was the only workable option. Howard must get some credit there, for admitting he was wrong and taking the GST to the electorate even if it would mean defeat. It’s an example of humility and conviction persephone. Kevin Rudd should do the same with the CPRS, If there is no other legitimate alternative as you’ve stated many times, Rudd must use the double dissolution trigger and take it to the electorate. He must be prepared to put his ass on the line over something of great importance.

      You said “And, alas, ‘hard working Liberal politician’ is not a phrase which resonates.” Very blanket statement persephone, perhaps there is truth to it but im not involved with politics in the same way you are.

      “They seem to rely on stunts, distractions and obstructionism,  rather than actually putting in the work necessary to get across the line.”
      I think you’ve inadvertently summed up the NSW Labour party with that statement, they seem to govern by all of the above.

    • persephone says:

      01:25pm | 22/03/10

      Macon

      Costello and Howard’s cuts were unnecessary, as the speed with which they were able to get back to spending like drunken sailors showed.

      The ‘discovery’ of the supposed debt was very convenient, as it allowed Howard to ditch many of the policies he never wanted to commit to in the first place, and bring in a few of the ones he had always wanted to.

      Howard went with the GST because there was nothing left in the locker. He had lost the trust of the voters, having broken so many promises that noone would have listened to him make any more. He couldn’t run on his record, for the same reason - and had lost the ‘better government’ argument after firstly losing several ministers and then ditching his own standards of ministerial responsibility, thus tacitly admitting that noone in the parliamentary Liberal party could follow a few basic rules of good behaviour.

      As for my statement about Liberal politicians, we’re nearly two and a half years into their period of Opposition. If they were busy little beetles, we’d have some real policy arguments happening already, or at least a glimmer of policy ideas being formulated. We don’t.

    • kp says:

      09:01am | 22/03/10

      Bruce Hawker is a Labor man, right ???  So isn’t this article immensely bias ??  ME THINKS SO !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • persephone says:

      09:16am | 22/03/10

      If it’s immensely biased, you should be easily able to pick holes in.

      Just saying ‘this is biased’ isn’t an argument.

    • Andrew says:

      10:22am | 22/03/10

      So Pers, you think Bruce Hawker is unbiased? C’mon. He’s entitled to try to influence people, he does it every day for the Labor party all over Australia but don’t try to convince people he doesn’t use his own special version of “facts” and “truth”. Bruce would make a great polly, but he’s too smart for that.

    • Gerard says:

      03:02pm | 22/03/10

      Do you have a job persephone? ... a trade union employee? Do you have any concept of how much damage your self serving mates are doing to this country? ... or don’t you care? ... how is your preselection going? Belinda Neale beat you so you must be back there in the conga line?

    • persephone says:

      05:18pm | 22/03/10

      Why do you ask, Gerard?

      I can only be this good if there’s money in it?

      Thanks for the compliment, but this is a free service.

    • PeterH says:

      09:09am | 22/03/10

      ‘Spin’ in most contexts means trying to sell something.  I thought the Howard Govt. used newspapers advertising for 11.5 years to ‘spin’ its message.

      Tony Abbott and his henchmen are using ‘spin’ every time they trot out their lines about Labor and Kevin Rudd.  Tony Abbott uses ‘spin’ to seduce the media into telecasting or printing his mantra every day.  He seems to get more airtime than the Govt. to ‘spin’ his messages.

      I agree with Bruce Hawker - let the media put Tony Abbott’s ‘spin’ to the test.  Let them question him more thoroughly instead of fawning over his every words.  Then let them work out just which side of politics is using ‘spin’.

    • Old Clive says:

      09:09am | 22/03/10

      Forget all the political parties lets just a consortium of political commentators and a couple of ex-PM’s in control of the country, {Democracy is dead anyway],Howard and Keating would be a better slanging match than Rudd and Abbott. These blokes have all the answers and soloutions to all the problems, we would then be the lucky country.

    • Zeta says:

      09:19am | 22/03/10

      ‘For example, I recall watching focus groups in state election campaigns during the Howard years where participants rejected the notion that state Liberals would adopt WorkChoices.’

      That interesting, because I could have sworn that the ALP campaigned against the NSW State Liberals on that very issue in ‘07. I didn’t think the ALP did anything without a focus group to back it up.

      Maybe when Hawker’s groups don’t tell them what they want to hear, they give Peter Lewis a call?

    • Ian F says:

      09:25am | 22/03/10

      Hawker: “I am struggling to recall a federal election where the popularity or otherwise of a state government or opposition affected the outcome of the federal election in that state.”

      Victoria, March 1990 Federal Election (loss of 10 Labor seats).

    • Willy K says:

      09:40am | 22/03/10

      You are kidding right?  The SA economy has steadily shrunk since Rann has been in and negative net migration has increased.  Expect more now.

      The Liberals got more votes than Labor - Labor only won because of lucky electoral boundaries. My friends and colleagues all work in business, finance, or building and live in Unley, Waite, Bragg, Adelaide, and Norwood…  I can tell you that we all thought the economy has been very very poorly managed and the ALP vision for the city/CBD is virtually non-existent and an embarrassment. 

      All these electorates had huge swings against the ALP primarily on their economic failures and second rate vision for Adelaide.

      You lot fluked a win by having outer-suburb rusted-on’s sticking with you - that was it.

      To claim economic management was a strength of Rann is an absolute joke.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      03:19pm | 22/03/10

      Willy K you should go back a lot further than Ranndy. When Dopey Don came into power all the hard work That Sir Thomas Playford did attracting JOBS/business to SA started to be undone, slowly but surely jobs went to the eastern states or overseas. Over the last 40 years the Liberals have been in power a little under 11 years, so if we are going to apportion blame, Labor should hold both hands out for that.

    • Henry says:

      09:53am | 22/03/10

      So this was the obnoxious slob in the bad suit that ruined the Fox election coverage for me.

      What a load of cobblers.  Labor totally fluked this win thanks to the twits in outer suburbs who don’t know where the railyards, the RAH or Glenside are let alone how the economy (apart from their centerlink payments) is going.

      Come down to my electorate and ask us about Rann and the ALP.

    • wolf says:

      10:08am | 22/03/10

      I’m just happy that Atkinson has resigned as AG…

    • Zeta says:

      10:28am | 22/03/10

      Do you think as soon as he resigned, millions of Australian gamers jumped onto playasia.com and ordered Battle Raper 2?

    • Super D says:

      10:19am | 22/03/10

      I think that voters can differentiate between State and Federal issues.  It is harder to differentiate between the State and Federal arms of the Labor Party, particularly in NSW.

      Consider that Federal Minister Anthony Albanese is married to NSW Deputy Premier and Health Minister Carmel Tebbutt.  Would NSW residents really be better off if health was managed from the right hand side of the bed rather than the left?

      Or Federal Minister Tanya Plibersek married to Director General of the NSW Education department Michael Coutts-Trotter?

      Or the ALP’s most toxic powerr couple, Belinda Neal and John Della Bosca.

      The fact is that there is a relatively small inner circle of the ALP in NSW that provides bothe State and Federal MP’s as well as senior public servants as well as general snout in the trough hangers on.  This group has overseen the decline of NSW. 

      In NSW the issue will be the decade of BS we have had to put up with.  It is simply bad timing for Kevin Rudd that he presents as a bullshitter at the same time that the people of NSW are waking up to it.

    • Sirro says:

      03:57pm | 22/03/10

      Absolutely spot on ... though that parasite Bruce Hawker will no doubt try to talk-up the truth in Rudd’s bullshit.

    • Carnegie says:

      10:41am | 22/03/10

      Bruce,
      You conveniently omit the fact that the primary vote significantly favoured the Liberal party. This election is a throwback to Joh’s QLD elections of the 1970’s. I would think the good people of SA are feeling “conned” by the likes of Bruce Hawker & Mike Rann and their too clever by half marginal seat campaign – I hope they remember when they cast their federal vote later this year!

    • AdamC says:

      11:16am | 22/03/10

      I agree that (swing ) voters see state and Federal elections as being distinct and, say, unhappiness about Rann’s outfit won’t necessarily mean they go off Kruddy. The most obvious characteristics of these Labor governments being kicked is age, while the Federal Labor administration is brand new.

      There are some possible exceptions to this view, though.  It is interesting that Rann’s government seems to have aged faster than the state governments in VIC, NSW and QLD. That does suggest some ‘staling’ of the Labor brand as a whole, given the generalised odour around the state ALP governments. And the antics of the denizens of Labor’s Sydney cesspit (people who also control much of the Federal ALP) are so noxious as to potentially harm Rudd in NSW. Nationally, though, the effect will be limited.

      And, as I see above, can anyone explain why it is Labor and not ‘Labour’? This is Australia; that ghastly, American-style phonetic spelling never took off here. I take it Labor activists aren’t given a Proletarian Australian Dictionary where the ‘e’ is chopped from ‘axe’, ‘re’s are replaced with ‘er’s and the ‘s’ vanishes from ‘civilization’? Persephone, surely you can explain?

    • persephone says:

      03:00pm | 22/03/10

      We adopted the spelling back in (I think) the thirties, if not earlier, on the mistaken but progressive belief that Australia would one day adopt Americanised spellings.

      Now we’re simply attached to it, despite realising that (fortunately, as I’m not endeared to it we’re not going to Americanise our spelling system.

      So our name now signifies that we’re conservative progressives!

    • Willy K says:

      04:11pm | 22/03/10

      So with all the “we”(s) in your post you are now admitting that you are an ALP minion who trawls these sites?

      The jig is up.

    • persephone says:

      05:16pm | 22/03/10

      Um, Willy, my shock confession that I’m a member of the Labor party was made several hundred posts ago.

      I’ve never denied being an ALP member, so no jig is up.

      I have denied - for excellent reasons, like it’s not true - being Julia Gillard, being employed by Nick Champion or Senator Arbib, or being paid to do this.

    • H of SA says:

      11:35am | 22/03/10

      There is massive discontent for Labor here in SA. State Labor is definately on the nose as we can see by the big swing against it.

      The problem is the quality of the opposittion is too low. Vicky Chapman’s failure to rule out a leadership challenge - during an election campaign - is the latest symptom of factional warfare that has killed of numerous Liberal leaders during the last few decades.

      Here in SA the Advertiser has been running a campaign as the defacto opposition - essentially doing the job of scrutinising Labor because the Libs weren’t really doing enough. There was plenty to scrutinize too and likely much corruption considering their hyper sensitivity to criticism.

      Redmond did a good job to make the Libs keep their internal fighting private until the last few weeks. But they simply lack the quality of MP’s to convince the electorate - many sitting members would be virtually unknown to most South Australians and judging by their lack of general verve and audacity in attacking the government - are quite happy to spend out their days on the opposition back bench.

      I hear its similar in NSW? Really angry with the incumbent but concerned about the oppositions ability to govern. Opposition parties need to stop giving MP preselection to former hack staffers and get some fresh blood in.

    • Carnegie Hill says:

      11:46am | 22/03/10

      H of SA,
      You are absolutely right, we have had some lamentable Liberal candidates in NSW over the past decade and it has certainly contributed to atrocious government. Until the party is restructured to attract and preselect more candidates from the wider community politics will remain a source of unending frustration and the likes of Bruce Hawker will continue to prosper!

    • acotrel says:

      11:57am | 22/03/10

      Abbott is incapable of acting honestly by bringing out his health policy early for all and sundry to openly debate and assess!

    • Tank says:

      12:49pm | 22/03/10

      Oh Bruce Hawker save me your spin spin spin.
      As a NSW resident, I blame you and your colleagues for foisting a totally hopeless conga line of NSW Premiers on us for the past 12 years or so. Totally, utterley inept.
      They have squandered every chance they’ve had and made NSW a laughing stock.
      You are a cyncial paid mouthpiece of the Labor Party. Nothing more and nothing less. Spinners like you have totally poisoned the body politic with vile opportunism, facile arguments and base cynisism.
      Go away.

    • Fred says:

      01:36pm | 22/03/10

      SA Govt will be NSW Govt in 2-3 years time.

    • Dale Peterson says:

      01:45pm | 22/03/10

      Bruce Hawker says he is “struggling to recall a federal election where the popularity or otherwise of a state government or opposition affected the outcome of the federal election in that state.”

      Try Victoria in 1990 - The dying days of the Cain Government. Trams parked in the streets, economic stagnation setting in. The Federal Liberal Party achieved its best result in Victoria since the Menzies era - a better result than even 1996.

      Or WA in 2007 - Dodgy state government mired in Brian Burke-linked scandals. Militant unions running amok. Result - swing to the Coalition when every other state swung strongly to Labor.

      Bruce Hawker sees only what he wants to see.

    • Kim says:

      02:22pm | 22/03/10

      “Across the country Australians are essentially happy with the economy and its management.”  Where did you possibly get this from Hawker?  If you read half the comments on this page, you’d know that we as Australian are not happy with the management of our economy.  Let me list just a few little annoyances:

      GFC - hahahahahahaha
      ETS - Fail
      Hospital Improvements - Fail
      Insulation Batts - Epic Fail
      Education infrastructure - Fail
      Illegal Immigrants - Fail
      and the list goes on and on and on and on…...

    • persephone says:

      03:10pm | 22/03/10

      GFC - well, according to the rest of the world, outstanding success, ‘give us what you’re having’, “we can only aspire to have an economy like Australia” etc - but what would they know?

      ETS - yes, because the Liberals can’t be trusted to keep their own election promises, let alone to negotiate in good faith (after months of ‘why won’t the nasty government negotiate with us?”)

      Hospital improvments - approved by 58% of the electorate (some polls have it much higher), including 46% of Coalition voters (far more than oppose it).

      Insulation batts - over 1 million houses with new insulation, providing ongoing savings, in both money and energy terms.

      Education infrastructure - a well over 98% satisfaction rating - a recent list only managed to find 16 schools with any serious concerns. Any private business delivering this number of major projects with so few gripes would be seriously chuffed.

      Illegal Immigrants - reduced the number of people dying to get here, a really important achievement. Stopped kids being behind razor wire. Reduced the number of people going insane in detention, reducing our ongoing health costs when they become (as they mostly do) Australian citizens. No boats landing on Australian shores (so no immigrants wading ashore at local beaches as they did under Howard). A more global approach to the issue, with co operation from governments in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and elsewhere.

    • Kim says:

      04:48pm | 22/03/10

      @persephone:
      GFC - $900 handout that really didn’t do anything to stimulate our economy - this was just a way to spend whatever savings our liberal government had saved away - no wonder everyone would like our economy but,  Labor has a way of spending whether the money is there or not.  But if it is there - let’s spend it!

      ETS - What a joke, “the greatest moral challenge of our time”.  Copenhagen was a complete disaster. 

      Hospital Improvements - 9 months late and still not implemented.

      Insulation debacle - 4 dead - 100’s of homes burned down and now those that have had the insulation installed have to pay for their own electricians to ensure that their house is safe. - how is that saving money for the home owners?

      Education infrastructure - pffft - where did you get your figures from?  Can you back any of it up?

      Illegal Immigrants - Nearly 5000 illegal immigrants all sitting nicely waiting to jump the queue on legal immigrants.  Yes, there are no illegal immigrants wading ashore because their all comfortably ensconed living on our taxpayers money.

    • persephone says:

      11:37am | 23/03/10

      Kim

      the major retailers disagree with you, with many of them saying that without the $900 stimulus being spent in their stores, they would have had to sack workers.

      Copenhagen’s poor results are not the fault of Kevin, however much we’d like to believe that he rules the world. What was interesting at Copenhagen was the recognition he got from other world leaders for his efforts to broker a deal. A pity our press didn’t report this more - these accolades were far more genuine and substantial than the ones conferred on Howard, which we still have trotted out on regular occasions.

      Rudd’s the first to admit the hospital scheme is late, but it was never meant to be implemented by now. The plan was to come up with a reform package and present it to the states for implementation mid last year - and that’s where we are now.

      I’d rather something was delayed and the final product well thought out, than rushed out with no thought, but hey, that’s just me.

      It’s saving money for the home owners because none of those expenses should come back to them. If something’s been installed wrongly, it’s up to the installer to fix the problem.

      Education infrastructure - the list has been kicking around the last couple of days. 16 projects listed as concerning out of 2400 delivered. You do the math, I can’t be bothered.

      There’s a list of the concerns at:

      http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/teachers-fear-bullying-if-they-tell-of-school-building-rorts-20100320-qn7h.html?skin=text-only

      Under Howard, our border protection was so poor that he had to constantly redraw the border in an effort to keep people out. Even then, some landed on northern NSW beaches.

    • Ian F says:

      02:33pm | 22/03/10

      Bruce,
      As you were apparently a key player in the Labor campaign, I was rather hoping you might explain the reported tactic of Labor campaigners distributing bogus Family First how-to-vote cards that preferenced the Labor candidates in key marginal electorates.  Aside from the fact that it is unoriginal (having been used by Labor in the 1985 Nunawading by-election in Victoria with fake nuclear disarmament party HTV cards), in the commercial world it would arguably be regarded as misleading and deceptive conduct under the Trade Practices Act.  Isn’t that a tactic which is akin to stealing votes (which is why it is now illegal in Victoria)?

    • Henry says:

      03:50pm | 22/03/10

      Spot on Ian.  This is stone cold fraud and deceit.  Hawker and co will not admit to knowing anything about it.

      The ALP candidate claims to know nothing about this despite a photo of his partner in one of the fake Family First T shirts.

      If the electoral commission did their job properly and demanded a fresh election for this electorate then Rann would be gone.

      SA ALP would have to be the most slimy bunch of pollies Australia has ever seen.

    • Saskia says:

      02:50pm | 22/03/10

      Goebbels “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless… (it confines) itself to a few points and repeat(s) them over and over”

      Welcome to the school of Hawker, Rann and Rudd.

      Sadly, there are so many dumbasses in Australia that fall for their sh*t.

      I was proud of my Liberal electorate and the other inner city Liberal electorates further smashing the Labor vote. 

      God only knows what sort of IQ level there is out in those scary outer suburbs full of rusted-on Labor dupes.

    • hughie says:

      04:17pm | 22/03/10

      The shots at Barry O’Farrell above are off the mark.  Antony Green repeatedly makes the point that O’Farrell is outperforming Nick Greiner in polling, 12 months out from their respective (expected) landslides (2011 and 1988).  O’Farrell is seeking election in a state that is demographically more ethnic and blue-collar - natural Labor territory. 

      Mike Rann on the other hand is looking down the barrel of factional warfare (Jay Weatherill has already started it), and won’t be premier for much longer.  Isobel Redmond now needs to sort out her colleagues (Chapman, Griffiths etc) - yes, the Liberals are the party of individuals, ambition and merit, but the public doesn’t like these played out publicly in its political parties.  Parties are vehicles for solutions to policy problems, not personal ambitions.

    • Mick says:

      04:48pm | 22/03/10

      I don’t think Barry O’Farrell will be leading the Libs come election time in NSW….beware of Mike Baird

    • Benji says:

      05:45pm | 22/03/10

      What I’d like to know is why The Punch has not published an article from a Liberal Party supporter? Bruce Hawker was the cheif campaign advisor for Labor in the election, why not have someone similar from the Liberal Party write an article? Such a one-sided argument, no scope for true debate.

    • Front Bench says:

      06:14pm | 22/03/10

      Bruce, I reckon you and I both know that the magic went out of focus groups in 1995.
      Focus groups are a con job in this era.
      They are a tool of trade for the non-elected political class.
      Old political bullshit artists like me (us, maybe?) all know that line: Well That’s Not What The Focus Groups Are Saying.  It is the perfect catch-all to close down any kind of wavering from common sense by our fearful masters.
      I’m not particularly proud of it, but it’s paid my bills - and saved a few seats and the odd ministry.
      Let’s be honest, Bruce, give the focus group participants fifty bucks, a bottle of wine and a plate of dips and they’ll say anything you want them to.
      You saved Rann’s pants, old boy, not the bloody focus groups.
      But it’s not all down to you.  The Libs lost this because nine months ago they did not believe they could win.  Joe and Trish were really, really bad mistakes.
      The other advantage Rann had was that he - and I think he might just have got this, yesterday - actually had better quality infantry.
      The thing that really cost the Libs was their funding-based decision not to run those “So, where’s Mike?” billboards out on the roads to Ramsay - or the same idea for Port Road for his ebullient Deputy.
      That’s what the Libs should have been thinking, and because of that lack of confidence the Libs most certainly did not deserve to win.
      Anyway, congrats, spur.  Nice job.

    • Frankie V. says:

      08:20pm | 22/03/10

      Hey Bruce, was the fake ‘How to Vote Family First’ paraphernalia your idea?

    • Scot says:

      01:52am | 23/03/10

      He is an old fox in sheep’s clothing. He cannot be trusted. Time to clean house is now. The rest of the country needs to get behind Abbot as this guy and many like him are so treacherous..

    • shere khan says:

      09:57am | 24/03/10

      OH BOY!  “persephone says:”
      05:18pm | 22/03/10
      “Why do you ask,”
      For all our sakes ‘persy’ give it a rest.  Why don’t you invite people to you email address and let us all get on with comments about the ARTICLE instead of comments about yours or others comments?

 

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Gillard’s mapping a route but will probably still be routed

Gillard’s mapping a route but will probably still be routed

Julia Gillard and her advisers believe they can see a narrow path to victory for Labor at the next federal…

Kevin 2.0 could be better. Or it could be even KRuddier.

Kevin 2.0 could be better. Or it could be even KRuddier.

As key moments go, it ranked with Gough Whitlam’s dramatic dismissal speech branding Malcolm Fraser…

Working women need to escape the grog bog

Working women need to escape the grog bog

Can you hear a faint sort of teeth-grindy sound? No it’s not the rats in the roof gnawing the wires…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: Other stuff to be angry about today (with video)

DOB says:

For the last 2 summers my local beach - which is a kid's beach really (but it has a nice cafe - thats my excuse) - has been overrun by jetskis. So when I go off for an idyllic morning of sun and sand I might as well just go down to an industrial plant and soak up the noise and fumes. My area is a bit… [read more]

From: Match of the century!

Pete says:

Since when has Australia been a land full of whinging, whiney and just plain annoying people. Seriously, we have to take a long hard look at ourselves and notice that we have it pretty damn good and that instead of whinging about every single article ever written we could perhaps be happy and enjoy things.… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

No wuckin forries. These nuckin futs are tuckin fops

No wuckin forries. These nuckin futs are tuckin fops

Well, puck me with a fitchfork. The F-word is apparently an acceptable part of Australian speech. That’s… Read more

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