The battle of the sexes is over. Sorry to break the bad news blokes, but women have won. Well, this round at least.

Hmmm. Which bank shall I take over tomorrow? Photo: AFP

The last three years have represented a global tectonic shift in women’s economic, political and professional fortunes that has unravelled gender roles centuries in the making.

This new financial reality in which many women out earn men or are the family breadwinners has triggered a startling and widespread identity crisis for men.

This recession has hit men hardest- they’ve borne the brunt of 80 per cent of job losses in the US, as traditionally masculine industries like construction and heavy manufacturing slashed staff, with 29 million more men without work in the US and Europe than an year ago.

The housing bubble and the credit crunch have been cast as the malfeasance of a testosterone-fuelled bunch of boys high on their seven figure bonuses, high-fiving their way to another Cape Cod beach house and screwing the economy in the process.

“The end of male dominance is coming to an end. Seriously,” Reihan Salam wrote in an article called “The End of Macho” for Foreign Policy magazine.

Meanwhile, women have quietly assumed a position of unprecedented economic influence.

According to analysts, women will drive the global recovery due to the $US5 trillion “of new female earnings” women employees will pocket over the next 5 years.

The growth in female spending power “represents the biggest emerging market in the history of the planet” according to Newsweek and is nearly double that of India and China combined.

Women currently account for $US12 trillion worth of the total of $18.4 trillion in retail spending globally. That’s a whole lot of Net-A-Porter.

Goldman Sachs published a report called The Power of the Purse, announcing that women are “the economic engine of the future”.

“Should we expect men to cede some control over an economy they have so thoroughly messed up?” Time posed in a piece called “The Pink Recovery: Why Women Are Doing Better” last year.

But, confronting this new economic reality has spawned what some academics would have us believe is a generation of daytime TV-watching, financially dependent men suffering from massively dented egos and deflated sex-drives. 

According to a number of research projects, when women outstrip men in the pay cheque department, blokes are more likely to cheat, suffer health issues and just generally be miserable.

“Men who were completely dependent on their female partner’s income were five times more likely to cheat than men who contributed an equal amount of money to the partnership,” Christin Munsch, a sociology PhD candidate at Cornell University, and author of the study, “The Effect of Relative Income Disparity on Infidelity for Men and Women” found.

“The more economically dependent a man is on his female partner, the more likely he is to cheat on her.”

Interestingly, Munsch says it’s the reverse situation when women are reliant on men.

“But for women, economic dependency seems to have the opposite effect: the more dependent they are on their male partners, the less likely they are to engage in infidelity.”

Husbands with children and who work fewer hours than their wives are 61 per cent less likely to report that they’re “very happy” in their marriages the University of Virginia’s National Marriage Project finds.

Kristen Springer from Rutgers University found that “research suggests that midlife husbands have worse health when they earn less than their wives” in a paper this year that explored the consequences for men’s health when they were economically dependent on women.

Research set to be released soon by Stanford University shows that male unemployment ups the chances of divorce, The Daily Beast reports.

“We haven’t come to terms with the fact that we’re facing a whole new social moment, in which women are doing better than men are. We need to encourage men to find other outlets for masculinity,” W. Bradford Wilcox, director of the University of Virginia’s National Marriage Project told The Daily Beast.

It’s interesting that a hangover of the GFC may be millions of disenfranchised, bored men grappling to demonstrate their relevance in a global economy and home life in which they are no longer essential.

Men now face the daunting prospect of having to start catching up on the 50 years worth of earnest drudgery women have put in to reshape and redefine their social and cultural identities out of the kitchen.

Meanwhile, many in the banking world say the global economy is in better hands as men quietly ponder their new status.

At a recent meeting in France of the world’s most powerful women, it was predicted that women would become increasingly potent financial and political forces. As the New York Times put it, “the economic crisis, and the soul-searching it has sparked, represent an opportunity for a new female leap forward.”

Female-managed investment funds outperformed other funds, according to Jacquelyn Zehner, the first woman bond trader to make partner at Goldman Sachs and now vice chairman of the US-based Women’s Funding Network.

Corporations with women on their boards are more profitable than those that don’t the former administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development, Henrietta Holsman Fore, told the meeting.

In the aftermath of big bank collapses like Lehman Brothers, an argument emerged that hedge funds and billion-dollar investment portfolios would have fared better if women had been in charge. Many believe female bosses would have adopted a more cautious approach, eschewing the giddy lure of easy cash.

But this change in fortune cannot necessarily be notched up as a win for feminism.

Lisa Belkin argued in a New York Times article that “so much of the history of women in the workplace (both their leaps forward and their slips back) is a reaction to what was happening to men”.

While more women may be running the banks and steering the economy, chances are they’ll still be holding the baby and changing nappies as they plot the valuation of the dollar against the yuan as they fret about their depressed husband who has spent six hours in front of Oprah or Ellen.

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    • Jerry says:

      05:03am | 17/12/10

      ‘This new financial reality in which many women out earn men or are the family breadwinners has triggered a startling and widespread identity crisis for men.’

      So the Punch articles where women whine they are underpaid and are victims of discriminatory disparity is no longer true.  Thank you Daniela for restoring the truth to so many articles by previous contributors.

      Identity crisis for men?

      Thanks for the laugh!  I certainly hope this is true.  Then we will be able to sit back, complain about women 24/7, complain how unfairly treated we are, sit back and expect everything to be done for us, without any effort on our part and most importantly, watch all The Punch authors flood the board with articles decrying the poor treament of men.

    • Tim says:

      08:32am | 17/12/10

      Exactly Jerry,
      I personally have no problem with women earning more money and actively encourage my girlfriend to earn more. It helps me too.
      But can The Punch now stop printing all these woe is moi, i’m a victim because i have a vagina, feminist rants?
      I’m waiting for the first articles about an unemployment Quota, where men are employed selectively over women because they are struggling after the GFC.

    • James1 says:

      08:55am | 17/12/10

      No need to wait for the last one - see the post directly below your own.

    • acotrel says:

      09:48am | 18/12/10

      Does this mean that when we’re playing the ‘your money, my money’ game, the roles will be reversed, and men can treat their woman’s fortune with contempt?

    • Sicktodeathofpoorexcusesfor"debate" says:

      05:53pm | 21/12/10

      Doesn’t Eric already do just that?

    • Eric says:

      05:08am | 17/12/10

      The battle of the sexes isn’t over - it hasn’t started yet. The reality is that most women’s jobs are parasitic ones in the government, which survives only by taxing real production in the male-dominated private sector. Consequently, women have gained by borrowing from men - but one day there will be no more money to borrow.

      Greece and Ireland are starting to feel the sting of unsustainable government debt. The UK and France are soon to follow. And with the inevitable cutbacks, those non-productive jobs will go next.

      More details here.

    • AliceC says:

      07:39am | 17/12/10

      @Eric

      What a rude generalisation. I am in the position I am in now due to my hard work, and I am certainly not a parasite in the public sector.

      ‘Consequently, women have gained by borrowing from men’ In what sense?

    • Merry Xmas says:

      08:46am | 17/12/10

      Agree - I wonder why government sets up all these programs in the first place when they know it’s all gonna come crashing down one day.

      They should know that people are always ready to sacrifice things for the country if it’s articulated well, we don’t need all this expensive, fancy stuff that governments provide. People will save money for their healthcare and work harder when they know that the government won’t help them out. C’mon!

    • Economist says:

      10:34am | 17/12/10

      From plucking and apple from the tree of knowledge, to bamboozling men with witchcraft in 16 century, to now solely working in government and driving the economy into debt. I’m amazed I haven’t noticed it early, that women are biding their time to destroy us men, and as Daniela highlighted they’ve finally succeeded after thousands of years. BWAAAAHH!

      The fact is Eric that women are more likely to work in the service sector whether private or public. The fact is that the economic growth we’ve enjoyed in the past 40 years is due to woman participating in the workforce, effectively doubling our workforce participation. As for our economy I think you should understand that for the most part its self sufficient as we consume about 80% of what we produce, mainly services. Therefore women mainly work in delivering services, hence women play a key role in contributing to GDP and economic growth. there is no such thing as a non-productive job, unless of course your a house wife/hubby this isn’t included in GDP figures.

      As for Government activity, it is counted in real GDP figures at cost, therefore is part of the real economy. I suggest you and Merry Xmas do some reading on the role of government, before making a ridiculous assertion that we’d be more productive without it. 

      Can I also make a suggestion? How about you appreciate the role of a woman to be a partner, a productive member of a family, a productive worker, a member of society and the economy and certainly appreciate their views and contribution. You may have more luck with them.

    • Paul Horn says:

      11:56am | 17/12/10

      Well said again Eric. Women contribute virtually nothing to the economy apart from of course when they bear children. They dominate the parasitic and useless public services sector that relies on the privately employed male taxpayer to fund its narcissistic existence.

      Where are the women in the mines, manufacturing,  transportation, telecommunications, aviation, water or power generation industries?

      That’s right they are employed in fashion, retail, health care, tourism,  hopspitality bla bla bla. All useless! 

      And by the way Ms Elser the GFC was not caused by horrible repulsive,  voracious penis owning bankers. It was in fact a creation of the hyper feminised socialist American Government. Remember where it all started - Freddie and Fannie??? Two Government created and backed institutions whose sole job it was to extort mortgage funds from the banks and distribute these funds to “minorities” and other “disadvantaged” low income groups so that they too could enjoy the benefits of home ownership! These “low doc” folk never had the ability to repay their loans.

      And guess what Ms Elser it was your knight in shining armour, none other than Obama himself that took a front line role in defending these decrepit organsisations by taking the banks to court for refusing to loan to minority types with abysmal credit histories!!!

      Yet that never gets to air strangley enough. Case of when you are a left wing fruitbat you can do no wrong!

      And if blokes are to blame for our current economic mess then why is it we receive no thanks for all the miraculous technological benefits we provide the female gender? 

      Have a nice day now.

    • James1 says:

      02:38pm | 17/12/10

      Paul,

      I wouldn’t exactly say that health care is useless.  I don’t know about you, but I certainly appreciate not dying.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:30pm | 17/12/10

      Useless government programs? The biggest area of the budget is health - is that useless. Then there is education, roads, policing, child protection, oh and the very female dominated area of defence.

      This covers the biggest chunks of Australian state and federal government spending. Which of these is a useless program?

    • acotrel says:

      09:52am | 18/12/10

      @Eric.
      Get back to concentrating on your home duties, you ingrate!

    • MelD says:

      01:52pm | 20/12/10

      and the women bashing goes on and on and on, really fellas there has got to be something else you can do to sort out these mother issues you all seem to have, what happen? some woman not appreciate a pick up line or can’t you get the hot girls?

    • EE says:

      05:31am | 17/12/10

      Get in the real world please. Does this mean there is no “pay gap”? I was under. The impression men earnt 18.5% more over a life time must truly be false. Some of the most finacialy iresponsble people I know are women, fueled by the consumerism they have been force fed for 20 odd years.

      Another bullcrap article but thanks for the entertainment.

    • KH says:

      07:05am | 17/12/10

      The fact that more women are employed doesn’t mean they are getting paid the same as men in equivalent positions.  How you managed to get that out of this article I don’t know.  And once again - it is never a good idea to generalise.  Most of the women I know are not financially irresponsible.  In fact, in at least two marriages, it is the woman who manages the finances and was instrumental in them being able to afford homes - and both husbands admit they are pretty crap when it comes to money.  I have another friend who earns more than double her partners salary - but he loves his job and is happy in it, and they don’t really have any issues.  And I know lots of women who have healthy savings accounts, including me.  As for ‘consumerism’ - I’ve seen guys go out and piss up a couple of hundred bucks in a night - that may not be buying shoes or whatever, but it is still a waste of money.  Don’t generalise - there are idiots in both genders, and there are smart people in both genders.

    • EE says:

      07:56am | 17/12/10

      You claim I generalise fair enough. But the pay gap is a generalisation also it like comparing apples with oranges it just doesn’t work. I said SOME women are the most Finacialy irresponsible as are some men I know. This whole article is a generalisation it happens far to often.

    • acotrel says:

      10:00am | 18/12/10

      ‘And guess what Ms Elser it was your knight in shining armour, none other than Obama himself that took a front line role in defending these decrepit organsisations by taking the banks to court for refusing to loan to minority types with abysmal credit histories!!! ‘

      So the US law which allows home owners to walk away from from their purchase without being pusued by the banks, had nothing to do with it?

    • BK says:

      06:29am | 17/12/10

      Sitting around home having affairs while someone else goes to work doesn’t sound all bad. We just need to catch up to women’s retail spending

    • Chris L says:

      11:29am | 17/12/10

      “But for women, economic dependency seems to have the opposite effect: the more dependent they are on their male partners, the less likely they are to engage in infidelity.”

      This basically means that, in a relationship where the woman earns more than the man, they are both more likely to cheat on each other. Of recent years I’ve noticed plenty of articles about women unable to find a suitable mate and even some studies showing that women are less likely to be attracted to a man who earns less than her.

      “Sorry to break the bad news blokes, but women have won.”
      Doesn’t sound like such a victory for women either.

    • Paul Prentice says:

      12:08pm | 17/12/10

      When men and women are finally totally equal..will we still open doors for females,and treat them like ladies ,or if there is only one life jacket in a sinking boat ..do we say all being equal first to it…..especially if its the men staying home raising the children…

    • M says:

      08:26pm | 19/12/10

      Paul,
      Yes why not. You want to stay home and raise the children, that’s mighty fine by me. I’ll happily sort out the other things. I honestly do not mind the man staying home, doing the household chores, raising the kids. Gives me a peace of mind, knowing that they are being cared for. He can also luxuriate, once things are done. I don’t mind paying for things, including things he need. I admit, I am more capable earning than being housewife. So the man at home, is a better thing for me.

      As for the life jacket thing, why not? You’re staying home looking after the kids, right? So one life jacket, why not? The whole hog. Not just the ones that suit me. However one issue, you won’t be giving birth, though. Although that part, is fine by me. So is luscious lusty sex. That part, you can dominate….riaow! Or maybe I will….

    • Imperfect Android says:

      06:41am | 20/12/10

      Paul,
      Equality has little to do with manners. If you can’t treat a woman like a lady, then that’s just because you’re not being a gentleman. Turns out, even though I can vote and hold down a job….I’m still lady. The way men who want to stay home and bring up the kids can still be a gentleman, how about that?!

    • Roden says:

      06:36am | 17/12/10

      Your question - Can men handle women economically on top - HELL YEAH! Bring it on - Please. I can’t wait for the day women have all the major positions - government, corporate, business - the lot. In fact, I can’t wait until the day they are our front line soldiers and are capable of lifting heavy weights. The day will come when women of the world will be the major income earner. And that day will be blessed by man. Because this man will be more than happy to take the position of a woman. A woman from a former generation. I will be more than happy to not work. I can’t wait for the day that this is man’s option. To trade in my work, I will be more than happy to do the lawns, housework, cook, shop, iron. Damn it, I’ll even be happy to go to the local cafe and have a coffee with my mates. Bring on the mighty and powerful woman. Equal opportunity for them now - better still, give them the lot, just give it to them - the sooner the better. Men, imagine it. It sounds so wonderful.

    • I'm having a day off thanks says:

      09:00am | 17/12/10

      @Roden -  The time is here for me.  Unfortunately I appear to be unique in my area and while some of what you say is correct, the coffee with mates is not.  Old mates regard me at best, as weird and at worst a bludger who lives off his wife.  Women, often at home themselves, are even more dismissive.  I am shunned when collecting the kids from school and at activities, every time I do the shopping I am asked if I am having a nice day off work.  I worked continually for 25 years but my wife was offered work that paid almost double what I was earning.  She was keen to resume her career but we still need a parent at home.  Being a house husband is fantastic in many ways but it is a secret existence as it is still way beyond the norm in Australia.

    • Bilby says:

      09:33am | 17/12/10

      Doesn’t it just? I’m with you. The thing is that this would work for my wife too. She would prefer to work rather than look after the kids. I reckon she’s nuts, but it’s her choice. The trouble is of course that there aren’t that many high paying part time jobs in engineering, but in public health they’re all over the place.

      To solve this, we need to compare engineering with health and say that they’re equivalent, so conditions should be the same. I think that makes sense… somehow… in some strange way.

    • KH says:

      09:51am | 17/12/10

      Hey - I’m having a day off thanks - you are a pioneer.  It should be perfectly normal for a man to look after his kids during the day, if his wife earns more and one of them has to be home.  If you are both happy with the arrangement, then I don’t understand the problem.  That is what has to change.  It has to become acceptable that a man comes in late or leaves early for his kids, or has to be at home for a sick child occasionally, or like you, becomes the home parent.  If lots of people of both genders do it, it becomes the norm.  Because it is nearly always women who do it, it is an excuse to discriminate.  If everyone does it, the excuse is gone.  Now you have to judge people on their merit. That is what equality means.  I think you are awesome.  Don’t be discouraged by narrow minded others.

    • Bilby says:

      10:09am | 17/12/10

      @KH - Maybe it’s different in engineering, as unless there’s a looming deadline people are usually very flexible. I’ve never had a problem taking time off for the kids, but my wife has copped flak from her (female) colleagues. Different work places, different environments, different requirements. Maybe gender has nothing to do with it.

    • Roden says:

      03:26pm | 17/12/10

      I’m having a day off thanks - congratulations. Your men friends obviously don’t understand the benefits - but they will, they just need to try it. Women working was also once beyond the norm. It is now up to man to get women in to the position they should be in. Give them the status. Give them the money. You’re a trailblazer “day off”. Now that I know it works, I have a big smile on my face. Power to all the women in this world.

    • acotrel says:

      09:13pm | 18/12/10

      The first boss i had in a laboratory was a lady bacteriologist originally from thailand.  I didn’t have a problem with that, except she made me keep working all day!

    • Budz says:

      06:47am | 17/12/10

      Geez it sounds like you are trying to make it a battle between the sexes. Are you trying to encourage gender based discrimination?

    • stephen says:

      06:49am | 17/12/10

      I can handle women on top, which can be economical, and I’m comfortable with it.
      It’s called respect.
      R-e-s-p-e-c-t
      You know the rest.

    • Trent says:

      07:08am | 17/12/10

      “We need to encourage men to find other outlets for masculinity” - unfortunately these days most of these are either being banned for health and safety reasons or anti-social behaviours.

      Personally, I’m too worried - as they say we have 2 great ways of coping when either we can’t make a contribution or the contribution we do make isn’t recognized or appreciated. We have affairs or commit suicide. Woot.

    • Joan says:

      07:15am | 17/12/10

      The house husbands tend to belong more to the professional woman. Woman adapt to change better than many men… so if guy loses a top job he will not accept another job not of equal value and the longer he is unemployed the less employable and dated he becomes. Women do what needs to be done….ie take on David Jones job until things improve in their area of expertise, become part-time contractors in their area working for a variety of businesses to make up the hours. Also we now have a large population of men who have never grown-up with an adult male at home… so this group of men just naturally accept that the woman is there to do everything for them… go to work, wipe their noses, cook their meals, etc etc.. . that the male is there just to sow the seed and take orders/direction from the woman. the new age Mummy`s boy.

    • Roden says:

      07:31am | 17/12/10

      Joan, I’m quite happy with your description of man. Bring on the professional woman, equal opportunity, glass ceiling and all that stuff. In fact, the sooner all men are restricted to house duties, the happier man will be. I for one can’t wait.

    • Budz says:

      07:45am | 17/12/10

      Man at home duties - Get to watch all the test cricket without being stuck at work. Get to catch up with all your home duties mates and head to the pub or cafe for a catch up. Can head to the gym to make sure my body is in fine order for when the Mrs gets home.
      The Mrs having to work long hours and to deadlines and targets. I’m starting to like the sound of this!

    • Joan says:

      08:17am | 17/12/10

      Roden…. there is a woman out there looking for you. Strong men usually don’t go for strong, smart women .... so the field is open for you just find where these strong women hang out, you`ll be snapped up in no time. Good luck!

    • Mr Pod says:

      08:25am | 17/12/10

      Yes Joan, you want my precious seed you’ve gotta earn it baby ; )

    • Bob H says:

      08:33am | 17/12/10

      @Joan - Good to see women sneering at the contribution house husbands (and therefore wives) make to the household and family.  You do no favors for women with sexist attitudes that would make a misogynist blush.  When did equality get replaced with oppression isn’t that what the fight was against?  I think you prove there is no difference between the sexes, a nasty women is equal to a nasty man.

    • Juggers says:

      09:00am | 17/12/10

      Gee Joan,

      I work an 18 hours day, fix small jobs on the car, handyman tasks around the house (plumbing, carpentry etc)...I also cook, clean, sew and do the domestic chores…gen X…so appreciate your pathetic sterotype…one woman was smart enough to latch onto that with great enthusiasm!

    • John Smythe says:

      10:54am | 17/12/10

      I’m with Roden on this. Give ME the opportunity to be at home all day and being there for the kids. I don’t mind cleaning toilets or bathrooms, I’m quite a clean person actually.

      Not quite sure why feminists like to make it *my* fault I have the higher wage, and my wife and I both agree one parent (see that ONE PARENT….not the mother) should be readily accessible by the kids.

      Stronger, smarter woman? Woman with bigger pay packet…why the hell is this a supposed threat?

      I’m a proud individual, but “gender” really has anything to do with my pride. If someone earns more than me I couldn’t care less. Irrespective of what’s between their legs.

    • Joan says:

      12:25pm | 17/12/10

      Juggers…. one smart woman—- she sure spotted a door mat

    • St. Michael says:

      01:42pm | 17/12/10

      @ Joan: the funniest part of your big dish of stereotripe is that women are apparently Valkyries and generally operate better than men, and yet these same supercompetent women somehow managed not to teach their sons to look after themselves or that they needed to do some things for themselves.

    • grumpy old man says:

      07:38am | 17/12/10

      Worked for over 40 years to bring in the money to give to my wife to house clothe, feed, educate and entertain the family. All I earned went into the family. I would love to sit back and have someone else go do it, I can then spend my time sailing, having long lunches and affairs. Wish someone had told me years ago that this was an option, and that my role wasn’t to work myself into an early grave so that my family could have everything they needed and wanted.
      I don’t have a problem with women being economically on the the top, they have been for generations.

    • Ben says:

      07:50am | 17/12/10

      Good, now we can get rid of all the equal opportunity parasites and save the long suffering taxpayer from subsidising their endless junkets and snouts in the trough whinging sessions.

    • Dave-o says:

      07:55am | 17/12/10

      “In the aftermath of big bank collapses like Lehman Brothers, an argument emerged that hedge funds and billion-dollar investment portfolios would have fared better if women had been in charge. Many believe female bosses would have adopted a more cautious approach, eschewing the giddy lure of easy cash.”

      Is this argument along the same lines that if all the world leaders were women there would be no wars. Please, spare me. If the Banks and Investment groups were dominated by women we’d still have economic collapses. The only way to avoid it is to have a recruitment and advancement policy that relies on skill, experience and aptitude, not gender.

      P.s I love women on top.

    • Miles says:

      10:24am | 17/12/10

      Point to note is that the Democrats at their strongest had a female leader (Despoja).  Then another, older, jealous female (Lees) got a sniff at the chance of power and what as the result?  The whole party basically imploded and is now a shadow of it’s former self - all due to 1 woman’s jealousy…  No wars?  Please…

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      02:58pm | 17/12/10

      All due to siding with the Coalition on the GST, Miles.

    • jim morris says:

      07:55am | 17/12/10

      Men this, women that; the genderalisations go on and on. We have all lost, especially the children.

    • Comber says:

      07:56am | 17/12/10

      If women’s rise is only a result of the GFC then it will be shortlived. Once the world recovers from the GFC then men will be back on top again.

      As for men cheating when their wives earn more it seems to be because of the fact they’re losers in the first place. They’re not the type of men who have real jobs because they’re not good enough. This feeds their insecurity. Not the fact that their wives earn more. They’re weak. Thus, they cheat.

      Personally, I wouldn’t go out with a woman if I couldn’t see her as a nurturing wife and mother. I earn 6 figures and it will continue to rise considerably so I don’t need a woman’s money to live on. I want a traditional wife who has dinner on the table when I get home and who looks after the kids instead of farming them out to daycare.

    • Beverley says:

      08:01am | 19/12/10

      Wow!  I totally agree with you! I won’t even consider a man unless he’s the nurturing father-type.  I, too, earn 6 figures and will continue to earn more as I progress through my career, so I don’t need a man’s money to survive.  I’m looking for a house-husband who will cook, clean & look after the kids.

      The difference between you and me?  Being male, you’ll probably have your choice of women who have been conditioned by society to believe that being a housewife is a good and noble cause.  Me?  I’ll be lucky to find any man who doesn’t think being a house-husband is beneath him and/or uses this supposed emasculation as an excuse to cheat, based on what I’ve read in this article.

      You know what, it all sounds too hard - no wonder women living alone is the single fastest growing household demographic smile

    • M says:

      08:57pm | 19/12/10

      Actually, it was a just and noble cause, raising my children when I did it. I was there for them. However, I was miserable in this just and noble cause, as I felt that I was reduced from the person I was to the nurturer. I love my kids, but there is a more innate aspect to myself that felt my happiness, bringing home the bacon. So I am and am much happier for it. The man staying home works for me. Oh and I do earn quite a chunk and it has the promise of progress it holds also carries the weight of a tidy sum. There is no way I am ever going back to being the traditional wife and mother. I’d have to get married again, for one and well for the other, doesn’t make me any less of a mum, doing what I do now. And as for you, Comber, you should know you won’t be the one on top, if you have a traditional wife, staying at home.

      It will still be your wife.

    • Paul Prentice says:

      02:13am | 20/12/10

      Women Give birth because nature expected them to nurture there children..The feminist movement was not the brain child of women who needed to be freed from domestic duty..but that of a sly and clever man named Carl Marx in 1860..(communist manifesto ) divide and conquer
      was his game..it would be a character building exercise if the people
      who want to jam this putrid ideology down our throats do a little history ..
      Once upon a time when women weren’t so selfish and didn’t need to have everything children had a much better life…

    • M says:

      01:46pm | 20/12/10

      Selfish? You would be thankful for a movement if you men were the ones condemned to stay home, cooking, cleaning, serving, children, cooking, cleaning, serving and again the needs of children too. So basically us women are selfish for wanting to make a life for ourselves and not do the things that are pure drudgery for some, like myself? I am not selfish for wanting to be happy.
      Why can’t men be the ones doing all of that stuff. If it is so selfish and the children’s lives are at stake, men should go to the kitchen and raise the family, then. Us women, with GOD given brains, the same as you men have can actually go out and use them in other areas than in the house.

      For all you know, some of us, don’t want to be the stay at home nurturer when there is a great big world out there to explore and a life to create.

      You might then say, why have children? Well, why do men have children, if they don’t raise them? What excuses men from this and allows them to go out and use their brains outside? Why should it be us women. I don’t the biological thing. I know we give birth, but it doesn’t mean we are the ones meant to stay home. The fact most women seem happier outside, proves that.

      It was heart and soul destroying for me to be at home, as much as I love my children. Staying home was soul destroying as I wasn’t progressing and creating a life, with them, but a happier one for all. I was never one to be dependant and hated having to be that way too.

      So about time for a reversal.

    • DFF says:

      08:07am | 17/12/10

      There are more female rape victims than male rape victims.

      Men: 1

    • TChong says:

      08:20am | 17/12/10

      Anecdote v anecdote to prove just how complex the human experience is.
      I hope every single one of us is more than the gender stereotype that these articles, and responses , show.
      There are truly “great” ( with whatever positive qualities) men and women, and there are some truly awful women and men.
      It is such a basic reality that men and women have far more in common than differences, i find it amazing that this is completely ignored in these arguments by educated Punchers. S’pose it makes the dumbing down that much easier.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      12:17pm | 17/12/10

      Yup.

    • Markus says:

      08:28am | 17/12/10

      Go for it.
      I’d love nothing more than to do an hour of housework a day and make it seem like a fulltime job, look after the kids (even the nursing and changing nappies isn’t as bad it is made out to be) and take an active role in teaching them to read and play footy.
      All the while never again having to put up with teleconferences, unpaid overtime, shite bosses, or complaints that I don’t pull my weight around the house or with the kids.
      The last one is wishful thinking but a man can always dream…

    • Daz says:

      08:59am | 18/12/10

      Wouldn’t matter Markus…...women are never happy, unless they’re bitching and moaning about some stupid trivial thing…....

    • Grumpy says:

      08:42am | 17/12/10

      “It’s interesting that a hangover of the GFC may be millions of disenfranchised, bored men grappling to demonstrate their relevance in a global economy and home life in which they are no longer essential.”

      lol…wow

      Girls are so cute with their fancy words and try very hard with their “ideas”.

    • john says:

      08:44am | 17/12/10

      I welcome stories like these, as they are strange at best exposing insecurities of income capabilities of women and possibly insecurities of women as a whole in their ability to just be what they wanna be without rubbing it in society’s face as these stories generally do. The claim in this story is that women have won, the other questions remain and in recent years have come to light, women have won what exactly? They already rule Australia as Governors and Prime Minister and Premiers coast to coast almost. Have they also won to alienate themselves more from men? Have they pushed men away hard enough so they prefer to marry each other even?
      Just in my building in inner east Sydney most women are single and have resorted to pets as companions and many men are married or couples with each other…a trend appearing world wide so it seems. Then if women want to battle men for money or higher remuneration , has something really not changed as a hangover from the worlds oldest profession?

      There is an old saying when going to war or competing against anyone, dig 2 graves because there are no real winners, there can only be 2 winners by mutual co-operation, think about it.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      10:28am | 17/12/10

      And they (and their cats) will all fade into obscurity because the traditionalists are very very busy doing what traditionalists do so very well: breeding.

    • AdamC says:

      08:45am | 17/12/10

      They are some interesting stats, especially how the recession is hitting men harder than women in the US.

      However, to invert the premise a little, I wonder whether women can handle men earning less in a relationship? While it happens, it seems very ucommon for women to be primary bread-winners, and one senses a degree of scorn towards both the man and woman. Quite frankly, if I were a woman, there’s no way I’d be paying my man’s shopping bill! It also must be difficult to manage family issues.

      However, I guess if these trends continue Mr Mums will become more common. Though I still think joint-earning couples, where him and her earn similar amounts and maintain reasonably independent finances, will remain much more prevalent.

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      08:56am | 17/12/10

      Why wasn’t Eric’s the very first comment ? Yet more evidence of the feminist’s daily conspiracy against him.

    • AliceC says:

      09:59am | 17/12/10

      Because he replied 5 minutes after the first person…..

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      01:55pm | 17/12/10

      That’s just what Eric’s all powerful evil persecutors would have you believe, Alice. He’ll know better, as always.

    • Freeman says:

      08:57am | 17/12/10

      Hey, That’s great, Daniela
      i’ve no doubt women will continue their progress in the workplace. I’m not so sure us men really object to it all or are the least bit threatened like you suggest. I can assure you that it is barely even a talking point amongst all of the men I know (proffesionals and otherwise) You reinforce some stereo types in men that I have never witnessed myself. perhaps that is because this sort of behaviour was out dated well before I began in the workforce. anyway women, Good for you but don’t turn this into an imaginary battle. Most men are all for it

    • Alex says:

      09:05am | 17/12/10

      According to the ABS, Women’s earnings have remained between 80-85% of men’s since 1980 and when part-time and casual work is taken into consideration, the total earnings gap between men and women is 35.3%.

      The gender pay battle isn’t nearly over. Women are poorer than men at retirement because they earn less and they take time out to look after children (a decision that’s usually made, ironically, because they earn less than their male partner). They lose out on super contributions and then have a smaller pension to last over more years, because they live longer than men.

      Your article is dangerous and just fuels the discrimination that is ongoing by employers the world over.

    • Bilby says:

      09:50am | 17/12/10

      I think the obvious needs to be pointed out here. For the most part, women that earn less over their lifetime because they’ve taken time off to bring up kids were being supported. Now for a lot of families, like mine, there is only one pool of money. All income goes into one bucket and gets divided out on a needs and wants basis. As such, both partners actually earn exactly the same amount, and have exactly the same amount to live on in retirement. That’s called a partnership. Even though the word “partner” gets thrown around a lot these days, I don’t think people really understand what it means.

    • Markus says:

      09:54am | 17/12/10

      “When looking at male and female employees in more closely comparable circumstances, the gender pay gap is much narrower. In 2004, the ratio of female to male average hourly ordinary-time earnings among full-time adult non-managerial employees was 0.92. In other words, female earnings were 92% of male earnings, resulting in a gender wage gap of 8%”
      Amazing how small the gap becomes when you stop comparing apples with oranges.
      It is as if the people who continue to spew this 18% pay gap myth don’t even read the ABS reports, and just repeat the same lie over and over again in the hope that it will become true.

    • Miles says:

      10:27am | 17/12/10

      This whole argument of women earning less than men is a total crock.  It is not a valid comparison as most women FREELY CHOOSE to go into roles that don’t pay as much.  Just as many men FREELY CHOOSE to go into roles that are highly demanding, stressful, time consuming etc which therefore pay more.  This is mainly because the man is still expected to be the breadwinner for the family.  The hypocrisy of this whole thing stinks - men are expected to be main breadwinners and yet then we are made to feel guilty for it???

    • Bilby says:

      12:29pm | 17/12/10

      Miles I certainly didn’t *freely* choose to go into a demanding high stress, high paying job. I do it because my family needs the money. If we didn’t, I’d be the first on the couch, come the revolution. Choice is an illusion.

    • Tam says:

      09:13am | 17/12/10

      “According to a number of research projects, when women outstrip men in the pay cheque department, blokes are more likely to cheat, suffer health issues and just generally be miserable.”

      This is exactly what I experienced.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      11:50am | 17/12/10

      The opposite happended to me.  She cheated and then shortly afterwards started earning more than me (after ten years together) and ended the marriage. But Tam, she didn’t consider it cheating because, you’re all going to love her reasoning, she’d already broken up with me.  She just hadn’t told me yet. I.e. her only fault was not following procedure. 

      Anyway it doesn’t really matter because words and the law are too flexible (and expensive) to be of any use to me. Show me the money.

    • James1 says:

      12:45pm | 17/12/10

      StM,

      What logic!  It is amazing how a person can reach a position, and then reverse engineer the facts to fit the predetermined position.  The scary thing is, she probably actually believed what she was telling you.

      I hope you scored big in the divorce settlement, at least.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      01:36pm | 17/12/10

      Of course not. No kids tho, so it was OK. I couldn’t afford to keep her anyway so I ended up being financially better off.  And fitter and healthier too.  Boy did my diet and fitness suffer being with her.  But that was just us OK.  I’m not passing judgement on women as a whole.

      But my biggest oppression is the sustained economic punch in the head I get from that super heavy weight ‘government’ and it’s voracious appetite to tax/levy/rate/excise my labours.  If feminism has used government as a tool for oppressing me then it’s done a great job.

    • BK says:

      03:50pm | 17/12/10

      Men “cheat”, women “take some time to find their real selves”.

    • Que says:

      09:21am | 17/12/10

      Thank God! Now we don’t need to listen to women groups claiming that they’re not.

    • Ailish says:

      09:29am | 17/12/10

      But there’s still a whiff of misogyny in the air isn’t there

    • Richard says:

      09:51am | 17/12/10

      All I can smell is the gloating stench of misandry

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      06:41pm | 17/12/10

      Certainly is. Emanating from misogynistic men and, yes, misogynistic women. Can’t you smell the misandry too?

      Where’s The Punch on misogynistic women? 

      What? Are women never at fault? Not complicit? Not agitating?  Surely women and men are just as bad as each other?

    • Tombowler says:

      09:30am | 17/12/10

      Ahhh infidelity,  daytime coffees and a credit card (which I am not entirely sure how gets paid or what particular limit it has but by god I’m yet to max it)!!

      Drop the kiddies and school, chew the fat with the other blokes, go home do some ironing, go grab a beer with the boys and maybe buy some sh$t; then dart back past school in my SUV, pick the kids up- to the park for a kick of the footy. Go home crack a beer and cook the barbie. Wait for the missus to get home and hassle her about money to buy some sweet cowboy boots.

      Sit on my arse all evening shaking my head wistfully at the missus tapping on the laptop (she’ll be up long past midnight…) I’ll stumble off to bed pleasantly drunk around 10:30 having packed the kids a ham and cheese sanger or two…

      Then it’s up in the morning to do it all again! Hurry up women!!! I’ll sacrifice the bloody vote too if it’ll help!

      Based on the article above, it’s men who are winning!

    • Mo says:

      04:11pm | 20/12/10

      Alright set the date- we’re gettin’ hitched. Just don’t be too drunk for afters. By the way how do you cook the barbie? I normally just fire it up.

    • THATguy says:

      09:36am | 17/12/10

      These two statements lead to a hilarious conclusion:

      “The more economically dependent a man is on his female partner, the more likely he is to cheat on her.”

      “But for women, economic dependency seems to have the opposite effect: the more dependent they are on their male partners, the less likely they are to engage in infidelity.”

      Think about the situation of women earning more money (i.e. a man is economcially dependent on a woman): men AND women are both more likely to cheat on each other*!

      *(in the reality of this piece anyway, which seems to be unreality)

    • Richard says:

      09:41am | 17/12/10

      This article saddens me. The author so gleefully describes a worsening situation without one shred of empathy for the entire generation of men born after 1980 who have been systematically and persistently discriminated against in the workforce in favour of women.

    • John Smythe says:

      11:05am | 17/12/10

      Why would there be a progressive discussion on the current state of feminism, Richard? It’s so much easier to tip the scales completely in the other way, instead of seeking equality, when using examples some decades old. You know, the lack of voting rights etc.

      Heaven forbid, some of the negative side of extremist feminists be actually considered in any topic about women’s rights.

      I don’t really get that feeling of extremist feminist from Daniela’s article. If there is a sense of women beginning to understand, and also “see” that they are indeed obtaining more self-empowerment then this is good. In fact, it might even help us to have more on our side who recognise, it’s not feminists per se, but the extremists, that are destroying a valid movement . Kind of like some extremist religious fanatics are screwing it up for everyone else. Oops!

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      09:42am | 17/12/10

      Can someone please tell the Family Court of Australia about these developments?  Because it appears the FCA is out of touch with community realities and is stuck in pre WW2 times.  Meanwhile the system watched over by the FCA continues to commit acts of economic violence based on gender against men every singe day.  Basing decisions on things like ‘balance of probabilities’ rather than on facts and merit. Basing decisions on probability is ‘guilt by birth’ and ‘guilt by association’.  It doesn’t matter what the statistics say, if a man has never hit another person then there is no evidence that he will hit his partner. Basing decisions on gender statistics is sexism and a violation of a man’s human rights.  And in Australia we have state sanctioned sexism against men.  A violation of men’s rights for the sake of legislative and judicial convenience.

      Guys: never get into a marriage without an exit plan.  Like a resume, keep the plan up to date. Never make a big decision before recasting your exit plan. As Madonna sang: learn to say goodbye. Stay strong guys.  Stay strong.  Don’t let yourself get owned. 

      Making and adhering to your vows is fantastic, admirable and honourable. But no one wants you to destroy yourself and all your other values to achieve it. At some point your partner is very likely to call it a day (50% divorce rate?).  The decision is not yours to make. You’ve done all that’s asked of you. You are released from your vows. You can’t make someone want to stay with you. Just make sure you’ve got an exit plan because no one wants to see you fall over.

    • Jotun says:

      09:59am | 17/12/10

      Keep your woman-empire musings in the hall meetings and cafes, Daniela. This is not the beginning of the Financial Age of women.

      All these studies and quotes from prejudiced and cynical business people and ‘scientists’ will equal equality. There will still be trophy wives, they will be most likely equal in number to the trophy husbands you allude to.

      The representation of the female sex in high-powered management will get to roughly equal, and so will the paychecks.

      No-one will be on top. Men no longer, women not for the forseeable future.

      So, keep your shrill cries of ‘we’re doing it!’ down.

    • Stella Cruz says:

      10:15am | 17/12/10

      Tell the women in saudi or afghanistan they have ‘won’. Asinine drivel.

    • Bilby says:

      10:44am | 17/12/10

      Ummm… conflating western women’s issues with those of women in the Middle East is also asinine drivel.

    • Your name: john says:

      10:49am | 17/12/10

      the stones hurt women just as much in iran too, however the men there are winning, and the society as a whole is losing, as the next generational cycle takes off from the last, holding back their country until the cycle is broken, Without saying the global community is worse off for it.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      11:08am | 17/12/10

      ‘Asinine drivel.’  Why?  One section of humanity not doing it’s bit is no justification for denying credit to the rest of humanity for the progress they’ve made? 

      So what’s your point?

    • john says:

      12:30pm | 17/12/10

      @Bilby Pontificating in a PUNCH forum is also asinine drivel smile

    • Bilby says:

      12:39pm | 17/12/10

      Which bit stung john? Do you have the hots for Stella? Don’t like the word “conflating”? Either way that was fairly poor. Pontification is Punch’s raison d’etre .

      D- Must try harder.

    • Ben says:

      01:16pm | 17/12/10

      Bilby, get back in the kitchen.

    • john says:

      01:56pm | 17/12/10

      @Bilby,  no, I don’t have the hots for her, I’m just trying to be a bigger bitch than her. All I want is feministic equality, just as much as they want machoistic qualities. Fair’s fair.

      Did it work?

    • Bilby says:

      02:56pm | 17/12/10

      Ben - What is this “kitchen” you speak of?

      john - Ah… they can do it so so can I huh? Well I guess that is the paradigm of the day. Fair call.

    • skinny white poor Oprah says:

      05:40pm | 17/12/10

      @John

      You GO, girl!!

      :-D

    • Ben says:

      07:00pm | 17/12/10

      @bilby, the troll “kitchen”.

    • Dave-o says:

      11:14am | 17/12/10

      Just like to also point out the lack of validity in the evidence about men “suffering” when women earn more. What the data doesn’t take into account is that in almost all of these relationships they began with the man earning more. It was the shift in power that saw the relationship change not merely the status of the female partner. Dependence is what a lot of relationships are built on and you can measure failure on any number of factors where change occurs within those relationships, e.g someone loses weight or someone grows out of emotional issues.

      Another thorn in that argument is a survey I saw recently where they asked women if they preferred to date a man who earns more than them. A resounding yes to that one. So its little wonder relationships are failing when people are relying on the status-quo to find their partner.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      11:29am | 17/12/10

      “A resounding yes to that one.” Male chauvinist women. The taboo topic.  But then agan, how else are they going to divide and conquer.

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      03:09pm | 17/12/10

      Since when were transexuals a taboo topic, StM ?

    • JulesG says:

      12:03pm | 17/12/10

      Go for it girl, you can have all the stress, we blokes will stay home and live on easy street for a change. I can’t see the girls working down mines, or laying concrete, or going to war, or bricklaying, or roof carpentry in 60 degrees somehow, but - hey, go for your lives. Blokes have done it tough for years and years and years. We’ll all sit back and watch you girls shoot yourselves in the foot because you won’t be satisfied until you have it as tough as us blokes and you have totally denied your biological heritage and created a monster for yourselves. Not to mention, made yourselves very unattractive in the process!

      I’ve heard tell and I don’t know if it’s true, but some of you girls are not entirely on board with this and you quite enjoy relying on your man for support and have him treat you like a proper women. It must be a lie ‘cos that can’t possibly be true - can it? Some of you girls are doing as much to polarise women over this issue as you are men and getting yourselves way off side. It’s not every woman’s dream to be on top!

      The fact that you insist in being combative and making a contest out of the roles of men and women, says to me that you just don’t get it. You are not succeeding in the workplace as women; you are turning yourselves into men at the cost of your womanhood and desirability. Men are men and women are women! Celebrate their significant differences, they are both lovely as they are.

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      03:18pm | 17/12/10

      Sounds like you might be the one not getting it, Jules, although since you find men lovely, that may not be of much concern.

    • JulesG says:

      04:54pm | 17/12/10

      ASK A STUPID QUESTION:  Actually, I’m getting plenty, I’m also a house husband - a kept man, shock horror! I know which I would sooner have; corporate bollocks and BS or a very loving woman that comes home to everything being done for her and I mean everything. She is very grateful, several times in fact.

      I reckon you women are nuts chasing after the corporate BS when you could have a man like me do it all for you! I don’t think my partner would give me any time off, she guards me very jealously and we both know which side our bread’s buttered.

      PS: Men are lovely and there is nothing more manly than caring for a woman that love you.

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      10:55am | 18/12/10

      Even if your second comment hadn’t completely contradicted your first, Jules, I still don"t think anyone would have believed it for a moment.

    • JulesG says:

      01:10pm | 19/12/10

      ASQ: Which bit is contradictory and which bit won’t they believe? I’ve read my posts several times and they are all saying the same thing, or at least that was my intent; so please, do tell - enlighten me.

      I’m not afraid of women doing better than me and in my 2nd post,  my point was that my partner proves that by being the bread winner. I don’t find that this diminishes me in any way as a man. In fact, quite the opposite, I am more able to look after my woman which, defines me further as a REAL man.  Jules

    • Baba says:

      12:16pm | 17/12/10

      I say it’s time to breed a new type of men. We can use the Arctic Fox principle of selecting only the placid male offspring to breed from and neuter the others. Over the course of a few generations men will grow into companionable friends and stop being aggro rivals to one another and to women.

    • Bilby says:

      12:42pm | 17/12/10

      How then are you going to stop women being aggro competitive rivals for the most placid new new age guys?

      You stopped thinking before the vehicle came to a complete stop.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      01:15pm | 17/12/10

      But haven’t women been doing the opposite?

    • "Man Strike Day" says:

      12:30pm | 17/12/10

      OK its time for “Man Strike Day”. 
      A day to really leave everything for women to do.  It will probably clash with one of the many public financed “womens days” but don’t expect any cash for men.  We are not all the rapists, beaters,wasters and misogynists that women with more power and more advantage than I will ever have, make us out to be.

    • merv iles says:

      12:47pm | 17/12/10

      men like women to be on top economically,environmentally,socially, psychologically, sociologically, financially, sexually, control wise, politically, religiously, domestically, academically, romantically, organisationally, workwise, personally, familywise, streetwise, and tribally.
      women are number one .men are number two.
      God created women second to replace men, God’s biggest ever mistake

    • Ryan says:

      01:05pm | 17/12/10

      What is quite amazing to me in this day and age and becoming increasingly annoying is the continuing assumption by women that men actually care about this!

    • Ben says:

      04:27pm | 17/12/10

      Bravo Sir!

    • cRook says:

      01:06pm | 17/12/10

      The only way for anyone to win is for everyone to realise that there isn’t a competition.

    • What? says:

      01:43pm | 17/12/10

      let me see,
      boss in my house…woman
      second boss in my house..daughter
      boss when I lived at home..mother
      second boss when I lived at home..sister
      Bank Manager..woman
      CEO of the Bank..woman
      State Premier..woman
      Prime Minister..woman
      Governor…woman
      monarch…woman

      so what exactly is it that women want? you’ve already got it all!

    • john says:

      02:36pm | 17/12/10

      @What? you got it good, I’m not sure what else women want either.. kid you not.

      pet mut…woman
      bordello boss…woman
      Redback spider…woman
      alien(1979)...woman
      male pet Barramundi…morphed to a woman
      my best male friend…now a woman
      my ex partner…..now a woman

    • Ray Graham says:

      01:58pm | 17/12/10

      For all the men who think this isn’t a problem you are dreaming. You are leaving your sons a bad legacy through a bloodless coup orchestrated by women under PC protection. People thought it was nothing to worry about in employment until women ended up with a raft of protective mechanisms to ensure their quotas despite their level of competence. Women have also done it with education where we also leave our sons a poor legacy through a hijacking of the curriculum (don’t comment if you have memory fade). They’ve done it with the family court where they extract undue privelege. Women have done it with unlimited publicly funded legislation and attendent agencies such as CSA, Sex Discrimination Commission, Ministers for Women.

      Wake up Australia’s fair minded men and women. Forget the women. Men you owe it to your sons.

    • Tom Validakis says:

      02:19pm | 17/12/10

      Battle means war. Men were never in battle with woman. Therefore woman and the media are having delusions. Go to Afghanistan that’s battle. Woman should be grateful to men for giving them these great opportunities in cushy airconditioned offices built by men and drive on roads built by men, in fact modern society is built by man. In fact no woman wouId be elected in office because no man would vote for them. If it were up to women we would still be in the stone ages just go to India what a perfect example.  What is there to celebrate girls when in the middle east woman are being persecuted on daily basis and have to cover themselves up.

      http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5477762-muslim-women-whipped-in-public-in-afghanistan/video/50772896

      http://sandrarose.com/2010/12/muslim-woman-whipped-in-the-street-by-police-video/

      Grow up and before you start celebrating with champagne just watch the above videos and be thankfull it’s not you.

    • Ray Graham says:

      02:33pm | 17/12/10

      Daniela also censored my previous comment around 1.30 - 2.0pm today. So despite Daniela’s editorial privelege allowing such her to say whatever she likes, a bit of hard biting comment must be eliminated.

      I challenge you Daniela to publish my previous comment in its entirity. Or are you scared of women being given the same treatment as they deliver to men. My comment was not gross but contained the same whit that women have privelege to execute under gender protection. You have precisely demonstrated what my comments are all about.

      Same as the chestnut of male strippers at the local family club where you take your under aged siblings to dinner. Mum satys and enjoys the show and after show treats (Which of course all women say they don’t attend. So the strippers earn lots of dollars playing to empty houses, and will say they ask if the after dinner treat takers are married before consuming the mints). All within the terms of legitimate entertainment. Female strippers - not permitted. Please ladies you’ve lost it.

    • John L says:

      02:41pm | 17/12/10

      We will know there is equality when it is commonplace for women to partner men with lower incomes than them.

    • jim morris says:

      07:00pm | 19/12/10

      this is really tyher crux of the problem. Men always partnered with women regardeless f their income or wealth but women must only partnet men who have more money or a better car than themselves. It sounds simplistic but humans are.

    • stef says:

      03:28pm | 17/12/10

      As a young women, I love the fact that I have the opportunity to work my way through the ranks to be working along side some of the most influential men in my industry.  I however hate the fact that men can’t stand it.  As much as you all whinge and complain and say we women don’t know how good we have it, you do not realise how hard it is to be a woman.  From a very young age we are exepected to be carers, lovers, mothers and career driven.  You try getting an excellent education, find a male who appreciates there is more to life than popping out kids, finding a position within a company that allows you to move through the ranks, getting to your desired position before heading off to have two or three kids; then we get to raise them until they all hit school, meaning a part-time job (so we don’t loose our industry respect and recognition) as well as all the usual house-hold chores, when the kids then head off to school, we need to be full-time workers, full-time mothers AND ensure we raise a happy and healthy family.  When this is all over we work until we are into our sixties and spend the rest of our lives looking after a husband who knows nothing different as well as the grandchildren whilst our own children struggle to cope with everything they need to do. 

      Would you men like to walk in the shoes of females?  I would be happy to swap with any man for a month. I don’t have kids yet, but I want to see how you cope supporting a full-time uni student, working hard in a difficult industry, getting an eduction (by distance because I can’t afford to not work) as well as keep your home clean and tidy.  It’s a challenge I am serious about.

    • Dave-o says:

      03:53pm | 17/12/10

      Oh gee, that does sound tough. As a man I don’t face any problems what so ever, my life is one continuous cake walk with promotions, beautiful partners and money falling at my feet. I never realised woman did it so tough. I guess maybe all this time I’d been concentrating purely on my own circumstance and not on others.

    • Ryan says:

      04:09pm | 17/12/10

      @stef: the difference between men and women is men get on with it no matter how hard or time consuming it is, we don’t spend our time living in self pity and patting ourselves on the back for being martyrs, we just get on with it.

      Try starting and running two businesses whilst at Uni, attending engineering courses full time then running your business every evening from 5pm to 8pm, go home and study till 1am then start the whole thing again. Weekends you get a bit of a break to run the other business, lucky for me it was something I enjoyed.

      So seriously all you women stop whining about how hard done by you are, telling yourselves that men have it easy, and just get on with it like the men do.

    • Sally B says:

      05:21pm | 17/12/10

      Another week, another Ryan tantrum. Ho hum.

    • JulesG says:

      05:43pm | 17/12/10

      As a young man, I love the fact that I had the opportunity to work my way through the ranks to be working alongside some of the most influential people in my industry.  I however hate the fact that women can’t stand it.  As much as you all winge and complain and say we men don’t know how good we have it, you do not realise how hard it is to be a man.  From a very young age we are expected to be carers, lovers, fathers and be career driven. 
      You try getting an excellent education, find a female who appreciates there is more to life than popping out kids, finding a position within a company that allows you to move through the ranks, getting to your desired position before heading off to have two or three kids. Then we both get to raise them until they all hit school, meaning a part-time job (so we don’t lose our industry respect and recognition) as well as all the usual house-hold chores. Then, when the kids head off to school, we need to be full-time workers, full-time fathers AND ensure we raise a happy and healthy family.  When this is all over we work until we are into our sixties and spend the rest of our lives looking after a wife who knows nothing different as well as the grandchildren whilst our own children struggle to cope with everything they need to do.
      Would you women like to walk in the shoes of males?  I would be happy to swap with any woman for a month. I don’t have kids yet but I want to see how you cope supporting a full-time uni student, working hard in a difficult industry, getting an education (by distance because I can’t afford to not work) as well as keep your home clean and tidy.  It’s a challenge we men are very serious about.

      And your point is???

    • MnM says:

      07:00pm | 17/12/10

      Well, Ryan, that sure explains all the male whining on The Punch, doesn’t it? Just look at all you guys not complaining about the evil feminazis even a little bit.

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      11:03am | 18/12/10

      This is obviously a completely different JulesG to the one who replied to me above at 04:54pm | 17/12/10. Who knew there’d be so many of them ?

    • JulesG says:

      01:22pm | 19/12/10

      ASQ: I was merely substituting the word women with men in Stef’s post, in order to show that her post is non gender and could be for either man or woman and thereby nullifying her comments. Get it?

      I think my posts may be a bit too high brow for your intellect because you seem to have extreme difficulty in understanding them. Or is it because you are too one eyed or even jealous?

    • Ray Graham says:

      03:49pm | 17/12/10

      A man for a month. Should be in the school curriculum. Most women would fail. And dear Steff, nearly everything you raise other than HAVING the kids is equally applicable to men. BUT, without the handicap placed on men, through legislated privelege towards women. It’s why men have bigger shoes than women. As for looking after men most women seem to rejoice their man’s earlier demise (passing) so they can capitalise execution on both supers. With the contempt women openly dislay towards the male species it is coming back to bite them. And women should jetison the compassion they feign to the demise of their men. In today’s society it is as hollow as it can be.

    • Tom Validakis says:

      04:13pm | 17/12/10

      Okay it is time to know who the real first feminist was. In my opinion it was Jesus Christ after reading the scrolls of st Thomas many years ago. These texts are the word of Jesus Christ but are not in the Holy bible. They were lost for many years in the middle east and even survived a fire.

      We all know the name Mary Magdalene she was a prostitute and upon crossing paths with Jesus her life changed forever because she was true in spirit and truly believed. I believe she was an unofficial disciple of Jesus the only reason it wasn’t official was because she was a woman.

      The other disciples didn’t like having a woman around and wanted her dead. Here is the quotes as follows.

      114. Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.”

      Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.”

      I don’t really get it myself but from what I gather making yourself ‘male’ is about pulling your weight in the world and that includes doing paid work. So the article above has been two thousand years in the making.  Well done woman good work you deserve to pat yourselves on the back.

      Don’t forget to thank Jesus Christ. Go the muslim world and woman are being whipped forced to cover up stoned to death etc etc today right now. It is only in christian countries where woman are truly enjoying the fruits of life.

    • john says:

      04:45pm | 17/12/10

      @Tom Validakis

      A) Some people pay alot of money to get whipped.
      B) Similar to book removal/burning in Nazi Germany in the late 1930’s In Australia all our bibles have been removed from the hotel rooms in   Australia, and churches are closed on Sunday, so we don’t have access.
      C) People don’t really care what happened 2,000 years ago.
      D) Turkey basters are on Top instead of men these days. Some men prefer to marry each other instead.

    • Tom Validakis says:

      06:11pm | 17/12/10

      To John

      A) We are not talking about some people we are talking about torturing people against there will therefore not a good comparison.
      B) Removing bibles from hotels and burning all the books in the country is not a good comparison. Churches do have services on Sunday and therefore accesble to the public. We shouldn’t have Sunday trading as it is the day of the Sabbath and the day of rest, even animals shouldn’t be worked on Sunday and how good would it be for the environment and families. Since Queensland introduced Sunday trading it’s credit rating has gone downhill and teenage crime especially with males has increased and tourism has gone downhill.
      C) If that were true I guess no one would be watching the history channel. Maybe you should look up the history of your name John and you may discover John the baptist. According to Jesus no greater or just man has walked or will walk the earth then John the baptist(basicaly he was true and just and resisted temptation like no other man).
      D) When was the last time a woman told you what to do and you had to oblige or else.

    • andrew GC says:

      06:15pm | 17/12/10

      do we care?? probably not LOL ,we’re men hahahaha

    • Steve says:

      06:36pm | 17/12/10

      What a load of horsefeathers, when the Ice Age comes, men will come back into vogue, might not be that far away!

    • Tom says:

      09:04pm | 17/12/10

      Geeeee What a hateful article.

      Umm, I like the topic which has been selected by Daniela and do think that an articulated essay could be written about it, “in a succinct manner”. However reading it I get the impression that the topic is being used as nothing more than a platform for the author to take cheap shots at men ? For som e reason ?  with some imfalimitary statements about men, which seems more about what the author wants to talk about ?

      I have nothing against feminism, but maybe stop the crase generalisations ? I mean consumerisim is driven by women in the first place, spending their “male” partners money anyway ! so when primary industry’s go bust, yeah of course the peseant jobs are the only ones left…...until no one spend with money with them ?

      I don’t think you’ve taken enough time to think this one through. Daniela, if you want to know how to write a good essay, read Theodore Dalrymple, in particular is work called life at the bottom.

      I encourage debate, but don’t support unarticulated spiteful rants.

      Cheers

    • john says:

      10:00pm | 17/12/10

      @Tom Validakis

      A) whats the difference everyday we are doing things against our will, going to work etc etc. Horses get whipped, people get whipped whats the difference its just whipping right? Whipping is in sex DVD’s and in many movies and television, even dickie nee gets whipped on Hey Hey its Saturday!
      We are a violent species, its what we are.
      B) We all know the removal of bibles was blasphemy. Every hotel room in a christian society is entitled to have one, any visitor or immigrant should respect that. Some religion in Australia has been dismantled. The Germans removed Jewish books in the 1930’s whats the difference?
      C) People still don’t care 2,000 years ago or now even, apathy is everywhere.
      D) I don’t move under threat for anyone, don’t know about you, maybe you like being threatened?

    • john says:

      10:39pm | 17/12/10

      Women can only wish they have made it to the ultimate office, for now a virtual reality interactive environment will have to do, see how many things you can click on to find out how well they might do:

      http://president-palin.whiterabbitcult.com/

      p.s try not launch the nukes, have fun!

    • Jessica says:

      02:38am | 18/12/10

      It is true that career oriented feminists have bluffed women and government alike and their futures in boardrooms by virtue of affirmative action and quotas seem guaranteed. That will be easy for them because many women will not be competing or staying, because they will be moving through the other transitions in life that are normal for women and desired by most.  It is only the greedy, materialistic, ambitious careerists who are listened to and the reasons for that go beyond the influence of the women’s movement.  It is a weird ‘women’s movement’ that continually disregards the diversity of women’s values and expectations and the choices they make outside of paid employment.

      Where women wish to return to work, they usually like a change with flexibility to cater for their other roles in life.  Of course the career oriented feminists don’t want to hear that either and the reasons are obvious.

    • dw says:

      02:49am | 18/12/10

      women win!...but what’s the prize?

    • p says:

      05:08am | 18/12/10

      Women should be on top.  They work ten times harder than men.

    • Eric says:

      05:50am | 19/12/10

      p, that’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen. How hard did you have to work to come up with it?

    • stephen says:

      07:52pm | 19/12/10

      I like it, I like it.
      (I like it like that.)

      Eric’s got no bounce.
      We’ve always known that.

    • Vivian says:

      08:30am | 18/12/10

      Guess what, the article was written by a ...... woman. I But it is a nice change to have a woman on top.

    • Drunk Guy says:

      08:58am | 18/12/10

      I’d like to know who set the goal posts upon which the measure of success of a woman is guaged, I mean really the two of our genders are so beautifully different and yet somehow women have been conned into thinking they need to perform as a male to beiliev they have self worth. The fact is that men, women, have for twenty years been told that women need to give up the one on one relationship with their children for a Hyundai excel and a flat screen TV with a maxed out credit card thrown in to keep them on the same life sapping tredmill that men are on and I’ve got an idea the whole movement toward the so calle dsuccess base of women was a marketing idea from one of the big commerce giants looking to widen their profit statement.

      We’ve all been sucked into that one too, as consumers we know no limits to what is available to buy if we can get enough money, sorry strike that, Credit to perofrm what is now our role in western society, shop!

    • Brent says:

      10:06am | 18/12/10

      The tone of this article is rather snide and not surprisingly places all of the responsibility for further action on the shoulders of men.

      Have you tried addressing the increased chance of cheating by both men and women when women earn more? Doesn’t this imply women aren’t happy when they earn more than their partner?

      The study you cited about an increase in divorce when the man loses his job certainly seems to support that theory.

      I don’t think this article has any point to it except to rub men’s faces in the fact that women are doing better economically than ever before. Your point was?

    • Drunk Guy says:

      11:36am | 18/12/10

      You taste champaign enough, you begin to think you are it.
      Lets face it the big office job paying the big bucks is boring, repetitious and sometimes stressfull and men usually saught relief with a couple of beers and watching sport.

      One point you’ve brought up and one which hasn’t been explored well by the commentors or the original author is that women in power use every avenue to assert their authority and dominance including sexuality, something that men don’t do, and to that event it doesn’t surprise me that women in higher paid jobs are having affairs because sooner of later someone is going to call their sexual bluff or they get so used to using their sex to get an advantage that having sex with a competitor for their job or to get the full cooperation of an underling or even to effect a climb to the next step on the ladder will not be seen by them as cheating, just business.

      Interesting stuff.

    • Kika says:

      04:39pm | 23/12/10

      It’s champagne man. Champagne.

    • Peter says:

      11:23am | 18/12/10

      I’d love my woman to earn more than me. We’d be on easy street. This is where this whole gender debate is getting stupid….

    • Stace says:

      12:18pm | 18/12/10

      Why does there have to be a battle? Why do certain people feel the need to make distinctions everywhere and pit one against the other? And why why WHY do men need “outlets for masculinity” when women apparently don’t need outlets for their femininity? I think that statement belittles men, and makes them seem so primitive compared with women!

      When I first met my husband, he was studying and had a part-time job while I worked full-time. I made considerably more money than him, which continued even after we were engaged. That was fine. Now, I stay at home and look after the baby and study while he works full-time. That is also fine. He has occasionally even expressed a desire to work less or not at all because he wants to spend more time with our daughter - and if I could find a job making sufficient money to keep all three of us, I believe he’d happily switch places.

    • Viva LE Resistance says:

      08:53am | 19/12/10

      “Why does there have to be a battle?”

      I don’t know… you lot started it.

      “And why why WHY do men need “outlets for masculinity” when women apparently don’t need outlets for their femininity?”

      Women DO have outlets for their femininity. Ever got up in the morning and felt like putting on a pretty dress? Do you like a particular pair of shoes because of the way they make you look/feel “girly”? Maybe you think this attitude is demeaning, but it’s not. There is nothing wrong with admitting to your inner girl.

      If a woman decides to go hyper-feminine, men will only look on in appreciation and comment likewise. If a bloke decides to go hyper-masculine, whatever that is, women are more likely to make disparaging comments and try to bring him down. That’s what the need for outlets means. They’re there, but not necessarily accepted.

      My situation is very much like yours, so let me put a little smatter of pragmatism into the story. Much as your husband would love to spend time with your daughter, as I’d love to spend more time with my two, it ain’t gonna happen. The more likely scenario is that when you complete your studies, you’ll join the workforce as well as things can get pretty tight while only one person is working, what with mortgages and the like. You’ll both retain the pipe-dream, but that’s all it is. I wish you the best of luck.

    • wolfie says:

      03:45pm | 18/12/10

      The day that women are really on top, rather than continue talking about it, will be a day to celebrate.
      But let’s not forget to work on reforming the judicial system and code of conduct which, as is well known, is pro-woman and anti-man.
      The day when I can choose to stay at home or choose to be fitted with a career yoke, the day I can choose to join the army or stay at home in times of military conflict. The day I am not sneered at as a man,should I decide to stay at home rather than go to work will be day I know that I am finally free to find myself and paint pretty little pictures of my inner life. I can’t wait for women to make real contributions to society as a whole, ie. men and women. Men have, so far, provided all the mod cons from easy communication to easy travel, from security to luxury, from health to dreams in entertainment,  that all of us benefit from. We have provided the tools for all of mankind to interact . But I don’t think I will hold my breath to wait for female innovations that are truly unique and universally useful because as this article has shown many women of that calibre are only interested in one thing- themselves.
      In the meantime, men will continue to make sure that the world is accessible to all in a mostly safe environment, men will continue inventing and making useful things for all to make life more comfortable and men will continue be the majority of people getting killed in wars and mine disasters because it will always be men who will have to put their lives at risk to protect and provide. And to all those women who think that they can do everything better than men- please go right ahead and show us . We all have our place in society and most people are aware of it and accept but the few screechers, who live in a hedonistic world of narcissistic obsessions and self love only underline the folly of their ways.
      I want my partner to be a woman not a pretend man in a womans body who constantly tries to ape my own gender.
      No thank you.
      If these deluded women realized the strength in their femininity they would drop this charade immediately, because they would realize that women as women are strong in their own right. And I must confess to being prepared to walk through fire for a real, genuine woman.

    • M says:

      11:45pm | 19/12/10

      I don’t act like a man. I act as I am and I act as I believe. My strengths lie, not in my gender, but in myself as a person. I am creative, I can also be practical. I am the hunter and I can also be the gatherer. I am honest, I have a rich store of integrity to live by. That is me, as a person. I have the ability to tolerate pain, too.I am raw, I am earthy. I am deep and I can be shallow. I am as complex as human being without the need to put the dressing of a gender on me And no, I am not deluded, I just know myself.

    • John says:

      02:56pm | 19/12/10

      “Women currently account for $US12 trillion worth of the total of $18.4 trillion in retail spending globally. “

      I have a solution: once the apparently inevitable happens and men are relegated to the kitchen, while their overworked wives bring in the money, all they have to do is get a hold of their wives’ credit card and account for 65% of retail spending? Essentially, they need to turn into the modern, ultra-vain women? Coffee with friends while the kids are at school, Melbourne cup race-day parties and an unrestricted spending budget - I doubt women are going to give up that life easily.

      Now excuse me while I go out for some much needed “retail therapy”.

    • Lee says:

      04:18pm | 20/12/10

      John I think if you actually look at the original research it states that women are responsible for the decision making on 65% of the money.  They buy the groceries, clothes for not just themselves but their children too. Most gift buying is done by women,  I know I buy my inlaws Christmas and birthday presents, not my husband and most women I know do the same. The majority of household spending is done by women, but women actually spend slightly LESS on themselves than men do.

      Most women I know are not “ultra vain” I don’t know anyone with an unrestricted budget and every woman I know who works part-time is expecting to go back to work full-time (or at least working all the school hours) when their kids go to school.  To be prefectly frank if I could earn the same per hour as my husband, he would be working less hours and I would be working more and the care of the children would be equally shared, but the reality is in the industry he works in and the industry I work in - the rates of pay are completely different.

      If there are women in your life like that, if that is the agreement they have with their partners, fine! but don’t tar us all with the same brush.

    • shelly says:

      10:29pm | 19/12/10

      Interesting that there is no note on the womens health when women earn less than their partners?? I’m not sure I believe this article, at least not every word, it comes across more as an affirmation that men due to their health issues and likeliness to cheat, need to continue to earn more than women. Because if men don’t earn more than women they will get sick and cheat?

    • Sean says:

      12:35am | 20/12/10

      Congratulations women, welcome to equality! Here’s your assault rifle and body armour. Oh, hang on, you want all the benefits of living in a capitalist liberal democracy without fighting for it?

    • Another drunk guy says:

      04:41am | 20/12/10

      More Feminist hatred, and again its all about the weakness of men as compared to women.  No problem, next time you want your hot water service fixed, do it yourself!  Its common knowledge that most women (NON-generally) after 40 years of Feminism have still not learnt to read a road map.  Ever notice that the only Starship that ever got lost in Star Trek was Voyager, and its captain was…  go figure.  PS I hope this stirs the pan, anybody who thinks I’m serious is probably also a woman!  Merry Christmas losers Bah-Humbug.

    • Em says:

      12:00pm | 20/12/10

      I dont quite understand the point to this research (suggesting"mens health issues” when women are the breadwinners). What is the point? To try to outline that successful women are somehow bad for society because they cause infedelity and depression amongst men? Many women may also feel these effects in the reverse situation.

      This research also doesnt take in account the fact that there may be other factors involved in mens depression that is not soley tracable to whether their wives are earning more than them for eg. if you were unemployed and “sitting in front of the TV watching oprah or ellen”, wouldnt you be more likely to suffer depression? (im not being gender specific here by the way)
      Also I felt this article was biased and a bit vague.

    • Charles Dundewee says:

      11:55pm | 28/12/10

      Can we assume that ‘you’ are ‘out earning’ the next most comparable male, Daniela? Or, being a ‘journo’, are you existing on crumbs like your male counterparts? And in fact, does the SMH even PAY you for these blogs?

 

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