Last week, Melinda Tankard Reist argued right here on The Punch that the “Pippa Middleton Arse Appreciation Society” set up on Facebook constitutes “virtual sexual harassment”.

Current membership: 3725.

She re-published some of the more hideous comments people had placed on the fan page, and claimed this is part of a trend that stems from our increasingly “pornified” culture:

When Karl Stefanovic let all the men present know in his Logie acceptance speech that his wife had “the best arse”, frequent comments were made that if a woman had made the same comments about a man, no one would mind. But a woman making a comment about a man’s backside does not carry the same weight or intent as the reverse. We don’t hear men being told to “shake that arse”. We do not hear of a man’s backside referred to as “booty”.

If a woman does comment on a male bum, she is not usually thinking of doing all the things to it that Pippa’s fans are salivating over. Because of a pornified culture, references to a women’s ‘arse’ are mostly not compliments but have underlying pornographic meanings.

But women are expected to welcome it – thanks to the proliferation and globalisation of pornography, women’s bottoms have a very specific and often nasty meaning, as the Facebook comments attest.

Now, thanks to some previous to-and-fro between Tankard Reist and myself, you might assume I’m here to disagree with everything she said.

Well, not quite.

For one, I totally agree that the comments Tankard Reist quoted from that Facebook page are horrible. They have no value, and serve no good purpose in our society.

I also think much the same way regarding some of the nasty comments made in response to her article. ‘Australia’s Best Conversation’ ought to be far more civilised than that – some of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

However, where I do disagree with Tankard Reist’s article is her assessment of the significance of this example, and that it constitutes evidence of a real ‘trend’.

I think she has merely picked up on a few extremely rude, disgusting voices at the fringe of our society, which are in no way representative of how the vast majority of men (and women) think.

As horrible as they are, such comments are not indicative of the very normal, positive attitudes most men have towards women.

In a sense, this really is the Melinda Tankard Reist modus operandi: to seek out the worst parts of our culture (however marginalised they are in reality), suggest that they are representative of society at large.

What Tankard Reist highlighted in her article is awful, awful stuff, but I would argue that a few (admittedly, very sick, inappropriate) comments on a Facebook page do not constitute adequate proof that our culture has been “pornified”.

It’s like suggesting that because violent robberies do occur, our nation has become ‘criminalised’, and everyone should therefore be treated with suspicion.

Or conducting a survey at a Klu Klux Klan meeting, and then claiming that those results are conclusive prove that everyone in society is a complete racist.

There will always be a tiny group of sickos, whack-jobs, and nut bars out there. The rest of us, who are nice, civilised human beings, should not be judged on their behaviour.

Ten, one hundred, or even one thousand years ago, those “slobbering masses” probably fetishised “the female backside” in the very same ways. They just did it in private, probably out of any woman’s earshot.

Now, though, their disgusting comments just happen to be visible for the whole world to see. It’s not an attitudinal “trend” – just a different level of visibility.

I really wish those attitudes, like those reprehensible Facebook comments, didn’t exist, and I am not defending them in any way, shape or form. Got that, folks?

However, I’d say we’re better off ignoring cowardly trolls who think that relative digital anonymity is a licence to spew noxious bile, rather than give them satisfaction by publicising their unwelcome thoughts to the overwhelmingly civilised world.

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    • Septimus says:

      06:11am | 11/05/11

      Sad, Sad Reality,

      Take note:

      ‘to seek out the worst parts of (a) culture (however marginalised they are in reality), (and) suggest that they are representative of society at large.’

    • acotrel says:

      09:22am | 11/05/11

      ’ We don’t hear men being told to “shake that arse”. We do not hear of a man’s backside referred to as “booty”. ‘

      You obviously haven’t been around our house? My wife is afraid of no man, and very few women!

    • trentyn says:

      12:04pm | 11/05/11

      yep, i get asked to shake my arse all the time by my wife. but thats just it, its my wife.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:00pm | 11/05/11

      Septic-tank, if I could just interrupt your childish, self congratulatory diatribe for a moment.

      17,176 Islam inspired attacks since 9/11.

      Do go on.

    • Septimus says:

      02:43pm | 11/05/11

      Sads,

      I see we have dropped the terrorist part from your rantings?

      Any thoughts on how you can prove these crimes actually occurred in the numbers your crackpot website says or that they were somehow related to islamic religious belief?

      Here’s another thought, why don’t you count the number of muslims who go about their daily life committing no crimes due to their religion?

      I know that last one will hurt your brain for some time.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:12pm | 11/05/11

      Only you Sepsis would pick at the wording of the bloody murder of innocent people.

      Something from the site.

      “This list of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about four or five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

      These are not incidents involving nominal Muslims killing for money or personal pride, nor are these killings a part of ordinary crime.  We only include incidents of deadly violence that can reasonably be determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator.

      We usually list only attacks that result in loss of life (with a handful of exceptions).  In several cases, the victims are undercounted because deaths from trauma caused by the Islamists may occur in later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims alive.

      We usually don’t include incidents related to combat, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, unless it involves particularly heinous terror tactics.  Unprovoked sniper or bombing attacks on foreign military personnel serving normal police duties are sometimes included depending on the circumstances.

      Unfortunately, this list of Muslim terrorist attacks barely scratches the surface of atrocities committed in the name of Islam occurring world-wide each day.  For that reason, we don’t tally up the dead and dismembered, except on a weekly and monthly basis.”

      Barely scratches the surface. Says it all really.

      Begin evasive tactics.

    • Septimus says:

      03:23pm | 11/05/11

      Sads,

      It does say it all.  It says, even treatment for you is sadly unlikely to assist.

      No thoughts on the millions of innocent muslims going about their daily life? 

      It’s a sad delusional world you live in and you will apparently NEVER see common sense.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:45pm | 11/05/11

      I think about the innocent Muslims as much as they think about me. I also think about the violent, hate filled Muslims as much as they think about turning me into pink mist.

    • Hamish says:

      04:19pm | 11/05/11

      Septimus, are you seriously suggesting we should somehow give the Islamic world credit, because even though violence, oppression and intolerance are rife in Islamic societies, most Islamic people aren’t crazy Islamists driven to murder for no good reason? Surely it makes more sense to assume that everyone in a society shouldn’t be a hate-filled murderer? Also, if such a vast majority of Islamic people are just friendly and tolerant people like you and me, how come they allow honour killings, persecution of non-Muslims and other enemies of the faith, such as homosexuals, to be so endemic in their societies? Oh yeah, and allow an arch terrorist to ‘hide’ 60 clicks from the capital city for five years. Seems Islamism isn’t actually that ‘marginalised’ at all.

    • Septimus says:

      05:14pm | 11/05/11

      Hamish,

      ‘Rife’ based on who’s definition?  Are you just as concerned about the violence, oppression and intolerance in non-Muslim countries?  What are you doing or saying about that?

      “Surely it makes more sense to assume that everyone in a society shouldn’t be a hate-filled murderer?”

      You should address this comment to Sads.  He seems to think that everyone in muslim society is a hate-filled murderer.

      Surely, it makes sense to you that everyone in the Muslim community ISN’T a hate filled murderer?  Any thoughts of the hundreds of millions of Muslims who aren’t hate-filled murderers?  Do they get any credit?

      Do the violent murderers in our society similarly concern you or is it only the media driven hysterical ones that cause you to fear one race/religion and not the rest?

      How come we have murders in our society?  How come we have gay bashings and gay murders in our society?  How come we persecute gay people in our society?

      How do you know they allowed him to hide?  Back that up with actual evidence.  Where’s the shock in that?  This may come as a complete shock to you…there are criminals hiding in our community who aren’t muslim.  There are people protecting those criminals.  What’s the difference when someone in our society protects a murderer from detection?

    • anon says:

      10:43am | 12/05/11

      As a woman,  I will tell you that ther *is* a pornification of our behinds.

      15 years ago, it was rare for males to ask for “back door” now, especially younger, males think it’s “normal” and pressure you to do it even after you say you won’t.

    • Septimus says:

      06:16am | 11/05/11

      ‘...rather than give them satisfaction by publicising their unwelcome thoughts to the overwhelmingly civilised world.’

      Couldn’t we do the same for Melinda Tankard Reist?

    • Cass says:

      12:12am | 12/05/11

      Good heavens! Listen folks get real..oppression is in China and in many other non muslim countries. How can you believe the trash fed by the jewish controlled media!! 90% of the muslims lead happy and normal lives. Check out the stats for Homosexual and Lesbian corruption, who are the pedophiles? the rapists? the child murderers? the criminals? Check out the stats and you will find them largely in non muslim countries. Do the Math and the research yourselves. When someone blows someone up or something up and blames the muslim for it so that they can attack and steal the country’s wealth you expect them to say hello nicely? sigh.

    • Erick says:

      06:18am | 11/05/11

      Tankard Reist’s article was an attack on men in general, her complaint about a “pornified” culture simply a dogwhistle to misandrists. Such shamings of maleness and male culture are commonplace in the mainstream media, while similar criticism of female flaws is restricted to obscure corners of the Internet.

      The reality is that we live in a feminised culture, where women are treated with kid gloves, and any perceived slight to the fairer sex is harshly condemned. The mockery and demeaning of men is mainstream and all-pervading, while insulting women is the great taboo.

    • fairsfair says:

      08:40am | 11/05/11

      Erick, that is how I perceived the article too. She either really faffed up her message, or meant it how it sounded. Stephen, I agree when you say that the comments “They have no value, and serve no good purpose in our society.” The same could probably be said about the actual men who said them, but that is a trait of being a tool of a PERSON it has nothing to do with gender. Like it or not, there are idiots in this world and sometimes we just have to deal with them.

      I also find the headline ironic when we are STILL talking about one average looking girl from England’s bum. Is this a Claytons obsession?

    • acotrel says:

      09:26am | 11/05/11

      Erick, My wife calls me her ‘kitchen bitch’, should I complain?

    • Simon says:

      09:56am | 11/05/11

      Sorry, but you only have to listen to the conversation in pubs and clubs and at the local show where I live to hear the stuff Melinda (why do you have to refer to her as Tankard Reist - is that some sort of journalistic put down?), is talking about. I don’t think it’s a ‘few men’ at all. In fact i think it’s the exception that men speak of women who are relationally removed from them (people like movie stars, and celebrities - and the young woman who was dong a circus performance at the show dressed in an appropriate outfit for her acrobatic performance and was asking for lude comments from the men present) truly respectful tones. That reeks of objectification for me. MEN take responsibility for you words, actions and THOUGHTS.

    • Markus says:

      10:28am | 11/05/11

      What’s the matter, Simon? You think women are so insecure that they have to rely on you to ensure the big bad men aren’t even thinking in a way they disagree with?

      Doesn’t really sound like you consider them to be your equals at all.

    • CABAL says:

      10:35am | 11/05/11

      @simon

      My thoughts, I should take action over my thoughts… those things that no one else can see or hear and therefore not be offended by.

      You sir sound like the thought police and as orwellien as the world might be right now I do not ever want to see that institution come into being…

    • Bev says:

      10:41am | 11/05/11

      @Simon refer to @C1 comment. Could not have said it better myself.
      Problem is some men want to believe men are what feminists say they are and see all women as pure as the drifted snow (white knight stuff). Truth is if you were a fly on the wall at an all womens gathering your ears would not only burning but threating to set the room on fire.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:09am | 11/05/11

      Well if that is the case then Simon you need to be advised that most women take joy from physically, emotionally and psychologically demeaning men. Ie - they are never good enough. They are never good enough in bed, they never do the dishes correctly, never provide enough money and they never provide enough “support” to their female partners. It is never the fault of the female and though equality is desired it still remains the role of the man to do what the woman wants without objection or query. This is by and large the type of conversations that go on in female only arenas. Should all men then believe that women who love them for who they are and take pride in being the partner of a fantastic human being are the exception? No.

      This was the issue with her article - she was attempting to label all men to be slobering dogs because a couple of idiotic PEOPLE made some rediculous comments. All people have on occasion said some dumb things that when taken out of context could get them into trouble. You can’t tar all men (and women for that matter) with the same brush after you selectively cherry pick some suspect comments and then write an article about what you think they meant.

    • BK says:

      11:22am | 11/05/11

      fairsfair is right about Kate’s looks. The media have exaggerated them greatly. Yes there are alot of women who are too negative about men, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are too many tossers, who are constantly crude about women, as Simon noted.

    • BK says:

      11:23am | 11/05/11

      Sorry, I meant Pippa’s looks, as well as Kate’s.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:59am | 11/05/11

      Yes BK - but what that does prove is that there are tossers in both sexes. Rather than just ignore those comments she morphed it into some feminist rant about how men are constantly objectifying women. Women also objectify men each and every day. That is labelled “girl power” for some reason though - completely acceptable. Its the woman’s right etc.

      Feminists just need to cool their jets and realise that not everything is about the female.

    • David says:

      12:37pm | 11/05/11

      Amen to that.

      Tankard’s article made me quite angry actually. Feminist bile like what she wrote certainly does not help her cause.

    • Richard says:

      12:40pm | 11/05/11

      Much like the current ad on TV for some sort of steamed freezer food.  Her comment at the end as he hands her the dish, “Oooh, and it can cook”, is apparently OK.  And the the two “girls” that they are currently using to advertise The Amazing Race, well that’s acceptable behavior as well I presume.  Seems to me that the girls can have it both ways (no pornified pun intended) in our society.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:11pm | 11/05/11

      Simon
      Newsflash: The SNAG thing is over. It was exposed to be the Spineless Nutless And Gutless fast-track to the Friend Zone. Buck up and be a man. Real men like a hot piece of arse and don’t apologise for it. If women can’t handle that then I guess there are a lot of skinny jeans-wearing gender studies 35 year old Arts students in Newtown who are afraid of themselves to pick from.

      BK and fairsfair
      I think you’re being a bit harsh. I think Pippa is quite attractive.

    • fairsfair says:

      01:32pm | 11/05/11

      Tubey, she has a fantastic figure. I don’t dispute that and I am jealous. Her face though - is pretty average, but that is not a bad thing, I think it is good that an average looking “real” girl is getting some attention. It is just now going a bit too far and quite funny that all these people are saying they are not obsessed, but are still bringing it up.

      She is hardly a double bagger.

    • Tim says:

      02:27pm | 11/05/11

      fairsfair,
      I agree.
      If her name was Pippa Smith from Campbelltown, she would barely get a second glance.
      She’s good looking but not spectacular. Media attention as usual is way over the top.

    • Tubesteak says:

      04:58pm | 11/05/11

      fairs and Tim: you are right about the media attention. But I guess we are perpetuating. I tried to avoid anything wedding-related like not clicking on Punch articles about it but I failed when it came to some nice young lass’s bum. I have a weakness for nice young ladies. I’m not seeking to do anything about that weakness, though.

    • fairsfair says:

      06:43pm | 11/05/11

      shock horror Tubesteak! Are you seeking to imply that you are an average male with testosterone running through his veins? Predator.

      (tee hee, though not intended I know have “get to the chopper” in my head)

    • Sickemrex says:

      07:35pm | 11/05/11

      @ acotrel

      No, it’s balanced out by my husband calling me brew bitch!

    • Catherine Rose says:

      03:03pm | 16/05/11

      Insulting women is the great taboo?

      200,000+ Facebook users, mainly men, insulted women quite happily with their subscription to an ‘Ass Appreciation Society’

    • Edward James says:

      07:06am | 11/05/11

      Why not leave it for women to defend themselves on the arse story, if they really care about such weird garbage..

    • acotrel says:

      10:14am | 11/05/11

      @Edward James.  I’d defend women on that one.  Ever since I can remember women have been treated as objects.  If you think back to Erick’s youth, Sabrina was someone to be goggled at, later it was Dolly Parton who got the treatment.  We still have fashion magazines setting the bar for women, and if they were the ‘wrong ‘size or appearance the criticism is implied, if not overt!  Men have never been subjected to that, and guys like Erick would be the first to complain if a pic of a male hunk was displayed in their workplace.  He’s just too precious for words.  I never feel threatened by women, I’m comfortable in my superiority.  So what is Erick’s problem?  I’d ask one question - what sort of moron would refer to his wife’s arese while getting presented with a trophy?  (I learnt to spell it on this forum!)

    • Kerri says:

      10:56am | 11/05/11

      Totally agree.  In this particular case Pippa would have had advice and approval of her outfit from her father, mother, sister - the bride ... and probably The Establishment representing the Queen.  Her dress was clearly selected for its being able to showcase the best of British design on a body that could display it to its ‘nth’. I doubt during fittings that no one was unaware of the curvaceous fit of the dress on her backside but face it, she was a work of art! 

      Further ... it reminds me of the 70s iconess Agnetha Faltskog who drove Australia - and the world - nuts with her similarly figure-hugging jumpsuits she wore when on stage with Abba. I guess Pippa, Agnetha and similarly ‘in public’ ladies who have the right figure wear with awareness!

    • Markus says:

      11:05am | 11/05/11

      acotrel I work in a government department which is predominantly women (doesn’t really narrow it down, I know).

      If I was as precious as you suggest most women are, I’d have had the entire department sacked by now - you should see their tongues fall out of their head every time the fire department is called.

      The difference is that men don’t give a shit. Most of us see it for the bit of harmless fun it is. Hell, I even bought a couple of the girls I work with a Firemen calendar for Xmas one year, my boss included. They loved it.

      There is a huge difference between commenting on a girl’s physical attributes, and actually believing that said attributes are the only thing that women have to offer the world.

    • BK says:

      11:26am | 11/05/11

      @Markus

      It is hot chicks who think that their looks are all that they need to get whatever they want.

    • Bev says:

      11:34am | 11/05/11

      acotrel says:10:14am | 11/05/11
      “Ever since I can remember women have been treated as objects.  If you think back to Erick’s youth, Sabrina was someone to be goggled at, later it was Dolly Parton who got the treatment”.
      Yes and these women didn’t look for the adulation. The same as the flesh parades on the red carpet don’t want anyone to look.

      ” We still have fashion magazines setting the bar for women, and if they were the ‘wrong ‘size or appearance the criticism is implied, if not overt!”. 
      Last time I looked womens mags were mostly produced by women for women and if they were not the way they are presented their circulations would fall, so don’t blame men.

      “Men have never been subjected to that”
      True they are the disposable element of society. Here to do the dirty, heavy lifting, dangerous work, become cannon fodder in wars and be dispossessed and/or fleeced in divorce courts.

    • Slick says:

      12:10pm | 11/05/11

      Marcus, I on the other hand, as a female, work mainly with men, in the construction industry. Most of the men are the so called"pigs” that are being taken down here.
      Do I give a sh!t if my nickname among the boys is “Boobs”? Not really. Im tough enough that I can handle it for what it is, palying around and trying to make me fit in, in and industry that is difficult for women. You cannot be a precious little flower and try to work with the big boys. They will rip you to shreds.
      Suck it up princesses, your not as delicate as you seem.
      Then again, if any of the boys laid a hand on me, I would show them my steelcap in their groin. But I know that they may talk big, but most of them are really sweet once you get to know them.

    • Kate says:

      07:09pm | 11/05/11

      @Slick, I agree completely. I volunteer at a local footy club, and although my boyfriend plays for them, I spend a lot of the games by myself when he’s on the field or elsewhere. 90% of the crowd is loud, bogan guys, and while they may occasionally make a comment like “nice arse” or something like that, I don’t find it offensive. I know they’re just mucking around and if it really bothered me, they’d shut up if I asked them to.

    • Melanie says:

      07:45am | 11/05/11

      She has a point. And it can’t be easily dismissed with a few glib remarks about “fringes of society”. It would be nice to think that men are, on the whole, respectful of women but it is very far from the reality. Look around you ant what goes on in this world. I’ve seen 18 year-old receptionists (plural) leered at, salivated over and ‘nice guy harrassed’ simply for the crime of being young and attractive. It’s very Mad Men, but not uncommon.

    • C1 says:

      08:56am | 11/05/11

      So Melanie you are saying it is only a problem if you are pretty - curse my good looks.

      I think most men are in the main respectful of women, likewise most women are respectful of men (you can read about in my new book - ‘Men are from Earth, Women are from Earth - live with it!!!’).

      Men are not the sole purveyors of leering and salivation - wait until you are at the receiving end of a Girl’s Netball Team end of season trip (personal experience in a country pub).

    • marley says:

      09:15am | 11/05/11

      I think the problem is not that men are lacking in respect for women, but that so many people these days lack respect for other people.  It’s not a gender issue, it’s an issue of behaviour, manners and empathy - and an awful lot of people lack all three.  They probably always did, but now, thanks to Twitter and FB, the whole world gets to know the thoughts of some morally backward idiot who’s proved that the “missing link” in evolution isn’t missing at all.

    • MattC says:

      09:45am | 11/05/11

      C1 - Kindly provide the name and address of this pub as well as the date of the next expected netball team celebration.
      Thank you.

    • Mad Women says:

      09:49am | 11/05/11

      I come home from work on the bus about the same time that lots of teenagers are going home from school. Therefore I am bombarded to their loud discussions.

      I find that groups of teenage boys are pretty much like I remembered them when I was one. A little rude but mainly self conscious of looking like a fool.

      But the girls, their crude comments to their friends about the young men they are interested in almost makes me blush.

      It is something I have noticed in older groups as well, woman are simply more willing to be cruder & go into greater detail about their sexual activities with their friends then men.

      So I think the lady doth protest too much

    • acotrel says:

      10:17am | 11/05/11

      @Matt Can I come along too?  I enjoy being leered at by women, but some of the fellas can be a worry.

    • NicoleG says:

      11:40am | 11/05/11

      OMG you just made me throw up a little in my mouth acotrel.

      Can I get you blue tack or glue to stick those tickets on yourself?

    • AnthonyG says:

      04:26pm | 11/05/11

      Alcotrel that happens to all the people in the aged loony bins

    • Adam says:

      09:16pm | 11/05/11

      @ C1, MattC & Acotrel - One word. ROADTRIP!!!

    • TChong says:

      07:48am | 11/05/11

      101 feminists like Ms TR , have to rely on the most unrepresentive , extreme comments she can find, because she has nothing else.
      Women have completely equal rights in our society. Completely equal.
      As it should be.
      So , how to keep yourself relevant ?- manufacture faux outrage , about a selection of comments that no normal person would bother reading, let alone take on board as gospel.
      The day Ms TR does a little bit of googling, and tears apart some of the equally loathesome misandrist sites, then she may have some credability when it comes to evangelising.
      BTW any feminists outraged at my comment- please provide examples where women are deliberately, systematically , unarguably discriminated against as part of a policy.
      As far as a religion goes, if you are silly enough to sign yourself up to a “god”,  then thats your choice. You believe in “him” , then you decide where you go with it.

    • C1 says:

      08:57am | 11/05/11

      Hear Hear Chongy - well said.

    • Emma says:

      01:01pm | 11/05/11

      Tampons attract GST; descrimination from my point of view.  I don’t understand why an object used to contol a femine issue that I cannot put a stop to is considered a luxury cos I can tell you having a period is not luxurious. 

      Also women are still not paid the same as men in some industries and typically female dominated industries such as teaching and nursing attract lower wages despite the amount of work that teachers and nurses must do which in a lot of ways is harder then traditional male occupations who are paid more. 

      Finally women of child bearing age are descriminated against and often don’t recieve jobs or promotions as bosses believe they will leave to have children. This means men (who may also have children) are given advantages over women.

      Apart from this there are the statistics on domestic abuse and sexual abuse which prove that these are problems affecting far more women than men.  Get rid of all this and I will believe we are living in a world which is fair for both sexes, I might even stop wearing a whistle around my neck when walking from the train station at night.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:24pm | 11/05/11

      Emma
      Razor blades and shaving cream also attract GST. My dress code at work is that I must be clean shaven so these are a necessity for me. It must be some sort of conspiracy!

      And since you’ve raised the pay thing: in real industries (ie not the parasitic public service) people are paid based on what they earn their employer, thus, their contribution to the bottom line. If you don’t contribute much to profit you won’t be paid much. If someone else makes a greater contribution to profit then they will be paid more than you. If someone else bargains more successfully for a higher wage then they will be paid more than you.

      Please tell me what industries pay women less as a matter of policy and not a reflection of contribution? Doing the former is illegal, the latter is practical.

      Teaching and nursing are public service jobs. While they may be useful to society they do not generate much in the way of profits. Therefore, wages have to come out of the government budget. Therefore, there is a ceiling on wage growth in these sectors because the government can only afford so much. If you had any clue about the labour market you would know this.

      If a woman leaves to have a child she is a significant cost to the business and also does not update her skills while the male contemporaries continue with their careers. Hence, she will be paid accordingly. Again, it’s the contribution to the bottom line argument.

      Finally, maybe women are paid less because they can’t spell “discriminated” or “feminine”.

    • Adam says:

      09:09am | 12/05/11

      @ Emma - “Finally women of child bearing age are descriminated against and often don’t recieve jobs or promotions as bosses believe they will leave to have children. This means men (who may also have children) are given advantages over women.”

      Doesn’t this paid parental leave apply to both men and women? Either one can take it. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

      “Apart from this there are the statistics on domestic abuse and sexual abuse which prove that these are problems affecting far more women than men.  Get rid of all this and I will believe we are living in a world which is fair for both sexes, I might even stop wearing a whistle around my neck when walking from the train station at night.”

      Yep, because whenever I hear a whistle getting blown I come running to people’s aid. You are truly a moron. Let me ask you this, if you blew the whistle, who would you expect a respond? A man? The same gender you vilify and feel so unsafe around you need to wear a whistle around your neck when walking to the train at night? Obviously you don’t want another helpless female such as yourself to respond to your nerdy little whistle blasts. Is that hypocrisy I smell? Because after all, you make it quite clear you are wearing it because you feel unsafe as a women and blame men for this.

    • grumpy says:

      07:53am | 11/05/11

      spot on Erick,
      extending this thought, I have for a long time thought that the most abused part of society is middle class, middle income, anglo saxon males. Mainstream media continuously paint them as pedophiliac, wife beating, racist,  misogynistic drunken gamblers.

    • KH says:

      10:14am | 11/05/11

      And yet they still seem to be running everything…....poor babies

    • Erick says:

      10:37am | 11/05/11

      And right on time, KH chimes in with a typical misandrist comment putting down men. Thank you for proving the point, KH, your cheque is in the mail.

    • grumpy says:

      11:01am | 11/05/11

      KH,
      Head of State = female
      Head of Govt + female
      Governors and GG, how many female?
      Head of Westpac = Female
      State Prem Qld = Female
      Tasmania Prem = female
      head of Westpac = Female
      and the list goes on, so whose running things, and why does it matter what sex they are?

      I think the worlds has moved on and left you behind!

    • Aaron says:

      11:08am | 11/05/11

      KH I think you forgot the “middle class, middle income, angle saxon” part. Look around the world and you will find that the majority of people running the world are upper class, high income, multi-racial men.

    • Bob says:

      12:23pm | 11/05/11

      Uh ohh. Someone’s about to buy and gun and get even with a world that’s done him wrong.

      Not too well endowned would be my first guess about what’s made Grumpy such a dull caricature of hatred and bile.

    • KH says:

      12:58pm | 11/05/11

      Ah, bad news Erick - picking out a few world leaders du jour does not a majority make.  Well, not in the western world.  Most everyday stuff - like business and government - are largely run by white men.  No point in arguing against that when it is clearly true.

    • C1 says:

      01:02pm | 11/05/11

      Grumpy,

      I completely agree with you and this is highlighted in my book that I referred to earlier

    • B says:

      04:10pm | 11/05/11

      KH I suggest you crawl back under whatever rock you came from.

    • Kevin says:

      04:48pm | 11/05/11

      ” I have for a long time thought that the most abused part of society is middle class, middle income, anglo saxon males.”
      What a ridiculous comment.

    • Dave-o says:

      08:08am | 11/05/11

      1 Billion people watched the wedding
      200,000 people joined the facebook page.
      Tankard found 6 comments reprehensible

    • Facts says:

      11:27am | 11/05/11

      I think you have summed it perfectly.  But, at least Tankard got attention, the real intention of her article.

    • Woodsy says:

      12:11pm | 11/05/11

      Nailed it Dave-o. Whoops, can I say ‘nailed’ in an article like this? My apologies to Germaine Greer and co.

    • Matt says:

      02:06pm | 11/05/11

      Haha that’s a great comment.

    • MarK says:

      08:11am | 11/05/11

      That is one sensational posterior.

      That is all that needs saying.

    • Notes from under the bridge says:

      08:17am | 11/05/11

      “we’re not all bum-obsessed trolls”
      Speak for yourself
      Pippa’s ass is mighty fine if you’re into that kind of thing.

    • Bazza says:

      12:11pm | 12/05/11

      I like women. I like their bottoms, among many other things. However, I keep my thoughts to myself rather than posturing on what I’d do if she lost her mind and somehow found me more appealing over her athletic, educated, connected and wealthy boyfriend/fiance.

      I think that men who proclaim loudly over what misdeeds they could do are only trying to make themselves feel more appealing, or trying to assert themselves as some kind of alpha male.

      The cold truth is, Pippa wouldn’t touch them (or me) with a ten foot pole while wearing latex gloves.

      Or, perhaps the “men doth protest too much, methinks” in that they speak so passionately to compensate for the fact they know they can never perform the acts upon Pippa that they so proudly proclaim.

    • Paddy says:

      08:38am | 11/05/11

      I still think she was a welcome site.

    • Peter says:

      08:39am | 11/05/11

      Stephen, nice stunt, do the same thing just add a twist and easy journalism, par excellence to a nine year old not being paid unlike yourself.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:40am | 11/05/11

      Not only is it wrong to “to seek out the worst parts of our culture (however marginalised they are in reality), suggest that they are representative of society at large” but it is wrong to assume that even the guys making the comments referred to were even being serious.

      No guy thinks he’ll put a woman in a wheelchair if he has sex with her. It’s called hyperbole. As crass as it may be it has no reflection on reality or even what the person would do in real life.

      MTR must have such a low opinion of men that she sees this sort of thing as the truth of men’s nature. What a sad world she lives in.

      It’s like when I’m playing sport (cricket or football) and I say I’m going to “smash ‘em”. I’m not going to do anything of the sort. I’m just going to go out there and have a good game and play hard.

      If you take everything you hear literally then that says a lot about your level of intelligence and your EQ.

    • The Original Oz says:

      09:15am | 11/05/11

      C,mon Tubesteak the word is Hyperbowl - Our Prime Minister demonstrated that

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:54am | 11/05/11

      You know I wanted to spell it Hyperbowl.

      It’s the bigger brother of the Superbowl.

      Not as bad as Hyperbowel which is what I get when I take some Dulcolax.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:06am | 11/05/11

      Um…as a Rugby League Front Rower, well…former now that I’m old :( when we said we were going to ‘smash em’ as we trotted out onto the paddock we did our very best to do just that every time one of the bastards in opposition colours ran anywhere near us.

      Not sure what sport you were playing….

    • KH says:

      10:21am | 11/05/11

      Many a true word spoken in jest.  I find that most people who make these kinds of comments do really mean them - passing it off as a joke is their way of pretending they are really a decent person.

      The words you use, the phrases you put them in - all have an effect - not just on yourself, but on others.  Why do you think some therapies rely on positive thoughts or shutting down negative ones?  They work because the words you use have an effect - they shape how the world operates by reinforcing ideas or beliefs.  Words can be incredibly damaging.  The effect isn’t lessened by pretending it is a joke.

    • Markus says:

      10:33am | 11/05/11

      Fair enough Dave, but I assume you were still speaking in metaphor when you talked of the intention to “F**k ‘em up!”.
      ...
      Right?

    • Erick says:

      10:46am | 11/05/11

      Only a fool would interpret those sorts of words as threats, KH.

      Far worse are the words of feminists, which falsely portray men as evil oppressors, and lead to real results in the form of anti-male laws and discrimination against men.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:59am | 11/05/11

      KH
      All you’re doing is showing your inability to see the forest for the trees. If you truly can’t see a person’s intent and take everything at face value then you prove my point about intelligence and EQ. Again you prove it above by stating that there are some men running everything. Positive psychology only works on the weak and pathetic that have to live in adelusional bubble in order to get through life.

      The Real Dave
      For your sake I hope Markus is correct. But I think you just meant hit them hard, not smash them to pieces and leave them just a mangled wreck. That’s just not cricket, ol’ chap.

    • Bev says:

      11:09am | 11/05/11

      KH says:10:21am | 11/05/11
      They work because the words you use have an effect - they shape how the world operates by reinforcing ideas or beliefs.  Words can be incredibly damaging.
      So you agree that the feminist bile and misandry poured out over many years has had an dramatic effect on the standing of men in our society.  Nice to see a feminist agreeing with what men have been saying for a change.  So when are you and your feminist mates going to withdraw and apologise for statements like “all men are rapists” ?  Or can only women be hurt by words since all men don’t have feelings and are knuckle dragging brutish thugs.

    • B says:

      04:24pm | 11/05/11

      KH is WWWAAAAYYYYY to precious.  I think you missed out on the school playground.  Go back and learn the basics of Human Relationships and stop acting like the fun police

    • Kate says:

      07:13pm | 11/05/11

      @Markus - my boyfriend plays centre half-back in local footy and I yell out for him to “f*** them up” pretty much every game. I’d be a bit worried if he did it…
      His teammates are a different story however, they were all patting him on the back when he accidentally broke some guy’s ribs.

    • Mike says:

      08:29am | 12/05/11

      Bev is right.  The treatment of men over the past 20 years, all being labelled as rapists, pedos, kid molesters etc. - it is as disgusting and evil as these very acts.  The young, white male is the probably most discriminated and vilified group on the planet.

      Oh, I’m sorry, I’m taking the minority view of comments and extrapolating them to be the general populace view like Melinda did.

    • TheRealDave says:

      08:44am | 11/05/11

      Well said Mr Harrington, well said sir.

      And what most Punchers were saying in the comments of Reists drivel of last week.

    • Abbottabad says:

      09:07am | 11/05/11

      You’d think that as former Senator Brian Harradine’s staffer for 12 years, Melinda Tankard Reist would make a better fist of PR.

      The reason she was so cranky about Pippa Middleton’s bum is that on the very same day that Tankard Reist was guest speaker at the Right 2 Childhood Conference in Sydney, all set to grab some headlines and drum up some some sales for her latest book, along comes Wills and Kate’s Royal Wedding and blows them so far off the front page that they don’t even register.

      Not a good day for the religious right.

    • Human says:

      09:35am | 11/05/11

      The internet is full of stupid chumps who take the internet and life too seriously. I really dont care what others say on the internet, the more hurtful people try to be, the harder I laugh at their weak attempts to inflict pain via a virtual medium. My mind is strong and what others believe does not affect me the slightest.

    • Keen Observer says:

      09:59am | 11/05/11

      Wow, made a point and proved it in the same paragraph…...impressive.

    • Human says:

      09:41am | 11/05/11

      Dude… Our culture is extremely pornified. All you have to do is wake up on a saturday morning with the kids and watch the video hits music videos and watch all the skanky mind manipulating behaviour being spewed out of the idiot box. Almost everything on television is pornified because its a well known fact that sex sells. The internet is covered in porn advertising. It’s so easy to find hardcore porn for free on the internet. I grew up accessing porn on the internet for free. Violence has also become the norm, with UFC and punk kids getting drunk and bashing each other. I could go on n on.

    • marley says:

      11:13am | 11/05/11

      Oh gosh, I’ve been using the internet for years, and I’ve never actually been assailed by any porn.  I think you actually have to be looking for it to find it - which probably says more about your own level of pornification than society’s.

    • my pure mind... dirty internet says:

      11:47am | 11/05/11

      marley
      Take up leatherwork as a hobby and you don’t need to go looking. Combine it with a keen interest in sailing knots and the internet becomes interesting. Then add on those search terms that just pop into your head for no logical reason like midget spanking a gerbil and well…

    • Ando says:

      02:47pm | 11/05/11

      Human,
      Obviously and Stephen would probably agree. .But a handful of comments on a facebook site doesnt prove it and it certainly doesnt just influence males.

    • Bitten says:

      09:43am | 11/05/11

      Um, this is what the media does - takes the opinions of the vocal few and tries to manufacture some kind of outrage at the decline of society’s values and rampant -ism (could be sexism, racism, ageism, doucheism, anymore??). Meanwhile the silent majority has stuff to do like making kids lunches, getting haircuts, deciding what to cook for dinner.

      This is not to deny that within our global 6billion + population, there are some complete tools. Hardly representative of society at large though.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:43am | 11/05/11

      She’s a harpie.  Her article was disgraceful and inappropriate.  Our culture is not ‘pornified’.  Sex has always been there, and whilst it is important to educate people on the right way to view sex and its place in our lives, it is quite another for her to tar and feather a whole sex just because she is a cranky pants.

      Most women with all their brain cells functioning know that the majority of men are wonderful - and we wouldn’t have them any other way.

    • Deb says:

      09:58am | 11/05/11

      I agree with Stephen that most men and most women are respectful but I don’t agree that we should just ignore the nut jobs.  “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”.  I actually think that women are much tougher on other women then men are on us.  Nearly all of the comments that Tankard Reist refers too were in there own weird way intended as complimentary.  This can’t be said for the comments about Brynne Edelsten in the media lately.  So I agree Stephen we should all act like civilised human beings.

    • KH says:

      10:24am | 11/05/11

      What exactly is ‘complimentary’ about talking about ‘doing her until she can’t walk”?  Don’t try to pass that off as ‘complimentary’ - it is not only really creepy and disturbed, but insulting.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      10:44am | 11/05/11

      KH,

      It would be the same as a woman saying to me that she’d like to f##k me until my d&&k dropped off.  Yes, some women do talk like that, not necessarily to me because I was blessed with the ugly stick.

      Their turn of phrase is innappropriate but all they are saying is that they find the person they are referring to highly desirable.

      You can’t serioulsy think that the author’s of these comments actually want to do physical damage to a woman.  They’re metaphoric expressions.

    • Erick says:

      10:50am | 11/05/11

      KH, your persistence in pretending crude compliments are actually insults is admirable.

      Feminists are offended when men say women are attractive. How stupid is that?

    • Seano says:

      12:21pm | 11/05/11

      Erick - publicly commenting about covering a young woman in “saliva” and “jizz” well and truly crosses the line from “crude compliment” to derogatory and demeaning. Pretending that women being offended by such low commentary are merely feminists being unreasonably over-sensititive only serves to highlight your own misogyny. Fair enough to challenge the idea that such comments are representitive of the mainsteam male view but comments themselves are beyond being just “crude” and therefore indefensible.

    • Brett says:

      12:22pm | 11/05/11

      I have personally witnessed women being much tougher on other women than men are. I worked for a woman on operations in the middle east . She was highly capable, efficient and had an excellent eye for detail. She dealt with peers and superiors with eloquence and professionalism. However, on numerous occasions I watched her publicly chastise female junior officers, often reducing them to tears. Her approach and language used when dealing with other females was significantly different to that she used when dealing with other males. In my opinon, there was almost a degree of competition in her actions, like an alhpa female putting potential replacements in thier place.

    • Sally says:

      10:02am | 11/05/11

      I wish that woman would stop speaking for me. I have my own voice, I don’t need her putting words in my mouth. She is an idiot who obviously is mad keen on attention.

    • Kevin says:

      02:20pm | 11/05/11

      I feel the same way about Erick.

    • Nil by Mouth says:

      10:03am | 11/05/11

      Harrington does provide much needed balance to Tankard-Reist’s argument.

      Notwithstanding, how do we recincile the fact that the internet porn industry is so massive? Presumably the industry is merely supplying demand? I don’t know how true this is, but I have heard that something like 80 percent of internet traffic is for porn. Even if it were only half of that, I think that it could be argued that there must be a lot of “pornified” people out there who don’t readily ‘fess up to it to their friends and family.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:21am | 11/05/11

      80% my arse

    • Andrew says:

      11:08am | 11/05/11

      TheRealDave that sounds like one of those ‘yo mumma’s so fat’ jokes.

    • mike j says:

      02:11pm | 11/05/11

      In January 2011, ALL entertainment sites (which includes porn sites) only accounted for 12.18% of internet traffic, according to Experian Hitwise.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12784325

      Maybe you should research your ridiculous misconceptions before regurgitating them on a public forum.

    • Shifter says:

      03:00pm | 11/05/11

      From my previous place of employment (a rather largish Australian ISP), personal observation showed porn related traffic was less than 10% of weekly traffic volume on our transit links.

      80% is a myth.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:14am | 11/05/11

      I eagerly await Ms Tankard Reists next article decrying Sonya Kruger, and co, for their comments re Brynne Edelsten,

    • NicoleG says:

      12:08pm | 11/05/11

      Ha! I love to see that.

    • Seano says:

      10:22am | 11/05/11

      You can argue all you like about misandry and misogyny all you like, it’s typical an argument between insecure people.

      My objection to comments on the MTR article where twofold:

      1.  The large number of people who attacked her personally many without even bothering to challenge her views.
      2.  The people who were defending the actual comments themselves. Whether or not those comments where representative of the mainstream male view, the comments themselves were not compliments they were derogatory and demeaning. There is a difference between an appreciative compliment and the gutter. If you wouldn’t want those comments made about your mum, wife, sister, niece or daughter then they probably aren’t appropriate things to say (or support) in a public forum.

    • Markus says:

      01:46pm | 11/05/11

      1. People generally don’t take too kindly to having their entire gender villified, especially with a conclusion as pathetically lacking in any rational argument as MTR’s.
      So yes, some responded with the level of respect they believed her article deserved.

      2. I may not agree with the original comments, but will defend to the death etc raspberry

    • Seano says:

      03:31pm | 11/05/11

      1.  If you’re suggesting that people not agreeing with MTR are then within their rights to launch personal attacks because they don’t like her conconclusion then you’re quite simply wrong. Challenge the arguments yes, attack the person, no.

      2. Bollocks. No one is having their free speech restricted. But having free speech does not mean free speech without criticism. It seems to me that many people want to live in a decent society but aren’t willing to set some standards for what is or isn’t acceptable.

    • Markus says:

      04:13pm | 11/05/11

      1. The article was a pathetic attack on the entire male gender. I think “your argument is stupid, and so are you for thinking it makes sense” is a completely valid challenge to her ‘argument’ in this regard.

      As immature as it sounds, ‘she started it’ applies well here. Anyone who claims an entire gender are fundamentally flawed should not act shocked when said gender takes it personally.

      2. I’m fairly sure these trolls aren’t demanding that everyone be civil to them, so your assumption in this case is false.
      On the other hand, it seems to me that some people who claim they want to live in a decent society with standards, repeatedly go out of their way to find places where they know their own standards are not adhered to, purely to be offended.

    • B says:

      04:42pm | 11/05/11

      Hey Seano,  Noone has the right to not be offended,

      I know it is a double negative, but see if you can get your head around it.

    • Seano says:

      07:25pm | 11/05/11

      Markus

      1.  Many of the comments were completely personal and not actually related to attacking her argument. That said I don’t think the “your argument sucks and therefore you are a big do-do-head” type response is much of a critique either.

      2.  “I’m fairly sure these trolls aren’t demanding that everyone be civil to them, so your assumption in this case is false.”

      Actually I was talking about people defending the trolls on the point of making these comments being a “Freedom of speech” issue or that the objections to the comments were just because the author is anti-men.

      “seems to me that some people who claim they want to live in a decent society with standards, repeatedly go out of their way to find places where they know their own standards are not adhered to, purely to be offended.”

      That’s a fair point many people do go out of their way to be offended by their pet bug bears. But I am in no way a wowser, I just can’t see how anyone can defend public comments about covering this girl in “saliva” and “jizz” as anything other than derogatory. Treating these sorts of comments as “compliments” is setting a pretty low standard for behaviour.

      B - Did I say that?

    • EB says:

      11:13am | 11/05/11

      PILF???? Pray tell us all Ocker, what that means or stands for??? I am sure there are a lot of women out there who would like to know what this means?

    • Kirsty says:

      11:45am | 11/05/11

      I’ve also heard the word QILF bandied around.  Equally amusing.

    • Acronyms are for people who can't spell. says:

      12:23pm | 11/05/11

      PILF, QILF, MILF - Princess / Queen / Mother I"d Like to F***

    • Markus says:

      12:27pm | 11/05/11

      QILF has nothing on QMILF…

    • skeletor says:

      02:33pm | 11/05/11

      Markus - QILF has nothing on QMILF…

      Sick puppy, she died in 2002.

    • MPFive says:

      10:31am | 11/05/11

      Wow she really said that? Im sorry but if this is not extreme femenism, I don’t know what is!

      I agree with you Stephen with everything you’ve said. Its obvious she hates men, so getting a rational discussion about this from her is like banging your head on a wall and expecting it to fall down. All thats gonna happen is that your head will hurt. Alot.

    • Cam says:

      11:41am | 11/05/11

      From my exposure to hard-line feminists, it seems the more extreme they are the more they hate being female.
      They cannot accept that there are natural traits for both males and females and absolutely abhor the idea of a woman becoming a stay-at-home mum / housewife.
      So instead they strive to take on more masculine traits.

      they used to have a term for this which was used quite a lot:

      PENIS ENVY

      I love women, who are women. Anyone who classifies herself as a “strong and independent woman who doesn’t need a man” automatically rules out any chance of a real man actually being attracted to her (excluding physical attraction here).

    • Lucas says:

      10:39am | 11/05/11

      Facebook, Twitter all that junk all of you people need a life thats the plain fact, I’m 22 and don’t use any of it because.. wait for it.. I have a life, Social networking is mostly for stalking people these days and to deny that is foolish. Sorry ladies but the online world is weird you all should know that by now, sick and weird.

    • Andy Kay says:

      10:52am | 11/05/11

      What we have really missed here is the fact that the popularity of a website or post such as the Pippa Appreciation Society has ocurred because of media involvement. It was the media - and not just fringe elements - that called Pippa “Her Royal Hotness” and discussed her bum in detail. It was also the media that reported - tongue in cheek (pardon the pun) the existance of the Facebook page. So it is difficult to have elements of the same media question the amount or content of comments received. Notwithstanding the media’s inability to acurately check facts in significant numbers of stories, is it not time for them to clean house before they try and lecture us, the customer?

    • Kate says:

      07:18pm | 11/05/11

      Exactly. There’s heaps of fringe groups around on the internet and on Facebook, and the fact that they exist is not a reflection on an entire society.
      Anyone can provide a link to a Facebook page in a news article and jump to conclusions about it.

    • Imperfect Android says:

      10:56am | 11/05/11

      If the ‘minority’ are the ones who are causing all this trouble, then take the fight up with them. Hold them accountable. If women can then do the same for one another, then maybe we’ll reach a place where the majority actually do respect one another.

      If men don’t like being painted as knuckle dragging mysoginists with a Madonna/Whore complex, then find the twits who are spreading such garbage and tell them to shut their traps. Require more of them, rather than just saying “Oh ignore them and they’ll go away, there’s only a few of them anyway” because while you might be ignoring them, someone else is probably reading it and being influenced. I’d happily take them to task, but as I’m a woman, my reprimand is all just part of ‘The Agenda’.

      I used to like men, before I started interacting with commentors on articles. I’m no idiot, but if you see enough times a supposed man spouting such hatred and contempt for your sex…. It makes you wonder. Now, I have to make the conscious effort to judge every man I meet on his own merits and it never used to be that hard. A male friend was the same as a female friend to me. But thanks to that minority, I have to work at it. Unfortunately by my tally, the respectful ones are few and far between these days.

      But what would I know? I’m just a feminist. By the way girls, next meeting of the wold powers starts at 7 and we’ll have that special guest speaker on how we can divert funding for testicular cancer research and funnel it all into our spending funds.

    • Erick says:

      11:13am | 11/05/11

      Feminists have been attacking and smearing and denigrating men for fifty years. Why would you expect men to respect you in return?

      The fact that feminists think any sort of attraction to women is an insult, is a reflection of the pathology that is misandry. Your own hatred comes back to you eventually.

    • Weary says:

      11:45am | 11/05/11

      I’m glad to hear you used to like men.  It’s a shame none ever liked you back and now you’re so bitter and bent out of shape.  Just curious to know if you realise that you are nothing but the female equivalent of a male chauvenist pig.  It couldn’t be clearer that you despise men and lump us all into one category whilst at the same time having a tantrum at men by expressing your anger in writing have essentially created a permanent record of your embarassing behaviour.  Have some grace and dignity - it’s more rewarding than hating strangers.

    • Markus says:

      11:49am | 11/05/11

      If you have seriously had your high opinion of men so dramatically changed by anonymous comments on online forums, I think you are either lying, and never actually liked men as you have claimed you did, or that you simply do not possess the mental maturity to be using the internet.
      Do your parents know you are commenting here?

    • Tim says:

      01:08pm | 11/05/11

      Men will start changing their ways when women stop rewarding that behaviour with copious amounts of sex.

    • Bev says:

      01:26pm | 11/05/11

      we’ll have that special guest speaker on how we can divert funding for testicular cancer research and funnel it all into our spending funds.

      Not worth the effort there is only 2 cents in that bucket.

    • FFS says:

      02:42pm | 11/05/11

      Erick, I have news for you. It is not the fault of everyone with a vagina that your ex was a penis hating bitch. You are a poor judge of character and that is nobody’s fault but yours.  Stop blaming women for your failed relationships. Stop blaming women for the lack of love and understanding in your life. Stop assigning responsibility for your crappy outlook to women. Frankly, it’s boring and repetitive. There is no conspiracy! Feminists aren’t out to make your life a misery. You’re doing an excellent job of that on your own. Get therapy. Get over it.

    • BK says:

      09:11pm | 11/05/11

      I am guessing that you aren’t a Madonna…

    • Imperfect Android says:

      09:05am | 12/05/11

      Wow, check out the proof!

      Erick-  50 years ago, a man was legally allowed to rape his wife, women were not paid the same wage for the same jobs and hours put in and sexual harrasment was rampant and not reprimanded. I don’t use that as an excuse to disrepect your sex. I prefer to focus on the good men have done in the last few decades.

      I’m not insulted by men being attracted to women, I’m disgusted by people who use attraction as an excuse to act worse than an animal. That goes for men and women because being a feminist means that you require the same standards for both sexes. You wouldn’t disagree with that would you?

      Weary and Markus, notice how you both only latched onto the negatives in my post? That’s called being human. I realised a fault in myself and am now working to correct it. What is so scary about that, that you have to treat it with contempt? No one expects you to look at yourself that closely. But don’t lie to yourself, pushing down others, isn’t the same as elevating yourself.

      BK, actually I am more of a Madonna, if I have to choose one. Sexual empowerment is about the freedom is as much about the ability and permission to say no, as it is to say yes.

    • Voice of the Locals says:

      11:05am | 11/05/11

      This is the result of the oversexed and pornified culture of the West .... It has been a culture such as this in Australia for a long time, it just gets worse everyday. The nation is harbouring a generation of bogans, sluts and hoes.

    • Pervie says:

      01:31pm | 11/05/11

      I find this comment hard to masterbate to.

    • Voice of the Locals says:

      02:51pm | 11/05/11

      The only news that makes it to the headlines nowadays are things to do with tits and ass…. or hints relating to sex ... this is just demoralising to the society ... Aussies are well known to be a bunch of hypocrites…. despite being a hoe/slut ... they still demand respect and treatment like royalty ... who are you kidding? With the slut walk movement starting in Australia, as part of equal opportunity and freedom of expression, YES, you are allowed to dress and behave the way you like to (..as a slut), BUT, at the same time, for the bad wolves out there, THEY WILL ALSO DO WHAT THEY WANT AS WELL, so no crying wolf for you then ...

    • WASP Hobbit says:

      11:24am | 11/05/11

      Self-righteous gits.  For goodness sake, come out of the cave and move on.  Both articles are trollable pieces of diatribe - time to move on I say.  Ummm, in case you forgot a federal budget was just delivered.  PS I completed critical feminist theory at Sydney University and I am a man - oops I just gave the game away….

    • WASP Hobbit says:

      11:26am | 11/05/11

      Self-righteous gits.  For goodness sake, come out of the cave and move on.  Both articles are trollable pieces of diatribe - time to move on I say.  Ummm, in case you forgot a federal budget was just delivered.  PS I completed critical feminist theory at Sydney University and I am a man - oops I just gave the game away….

    • GrumblePants says:

      04:06pm | 11/05/11

      You felt passionate enough to move on that you checked if your comment had been put up for 2 minutes then resubmitted it.

    • Weary says:

      11:30am | 11/05/11

      Um, considering this website is up there with the worst of them when it comes to publishing racist, offensive and completely untrue comments, and considering this website presumably contributes to YOUR salary, I’d say this is like listening to a serial sex offender asking men to have a little more respect for women.

    • The Vivid Writer says:

      11:44am | 11/05/11

      Pippa Middleton’s Arse: Sigh.

    • laura says:

      12:45pm | 11/05/11

      Have you seen the replies on Ask Bossy?

      Some of them could be considered both sexual harrassment and cyber bullying. interesting to see what news.com.au allows to get through “moderated” posts

    • John Killion says:

      12:48pm | 11/05/11

      All of this is not hard to understand when you accept that about 80% of the population have an IQ similar to a warm summers day temperature, sad but true.

    • Matt says:

      01:08pm | 11/05/11

      Whats your IQ albert?

    • Smartie says:

      01:41pm | 11/05/11

      IQ does not work that way.

      Reminds me of : 60% of the time it works everytime.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      03:10pm | 11/05/11

      No Smartie, the statement is fair, provided that:
      - you measure temperature in Farenheit
      - you have a high tolerance for hot weather
      - you loosely apply the term ‘similar’ to mean ‘within approximately two standard deviations’.

    • Justin says:

      04:09pm | 11/05/11

      So you’re saying that global warming is making us smarter? Awesome!

    • Just Sayin' says:

      12:48pm | 11/05/11

      What is this allegedly racist Klu Klux Klan group?  Never heard of them.

    • wakeuppls says:

      12:49pm | 11/05/11

      Maybe people should blame the social movement called feminism for the objectification of women. Sexual liberation birthed the porn industry. Really simple logic here, people.

    • Holden Caulfield says:

      12:57pm | 11/05/11

      What’s with arse-obsession anyway.  That’s where poo comes from.

    • Matt says:

      01:15pm | 11/05/11

      not the actual hole… silly…

    • Anonymous says:

      01:07pm | 11/05/11

      U mad bro?

    • Sheridan says:

      01:09pm | 11/05/11

      All this feminist bullshit has taken away my right to be treated as a PERSON!! I don’t deserve any special status or privileges because I have a vajayjay, in fact I don’t want them!! Weight the scales the same on both sides and then you’ll have a community that functions well..

    • Burko says:

      01:11pm | 11/05/11

      One question that really needs to be asked is what does Pippa think? Melinda based her whole article on the objectification of the above mentioned buttocks and took a fair bit of umbrage to statements made on FB, but what if that is what Pippa wanted to happen. Maybe thats her thing. Maybe she wants to get “smashed” to the point of being in a wheel chair, who knows.
        The assumption that this was offensive to Pippa is just that. Sure, take offence personally at the language used, I wouldnt say some of that stuff too anyone,well there is one person, but were married, so thats ok , I think. But to take offence on behalf of someone else without all the facts sounds more like your championing your own cause rather than some one else’s.
      Ohh yeah, I forgot to use hyperbowl. Just had to squeeze that in somewhere.

    • The Original Oz says:

      01:47pm | 11/05/11

      Good to see you remembered the word of the month Burko

    • NSW says:

      01:13pm | 11/05/11

      I’m perfect. I hold an equal amount of contempt for both sexes. You are all a nothing more than a disease that can communicate.

    • marley says:

      08:21am | 12/05/11

      Logically, if all of us are a disease,  you can’t be perfect, because you’re diseased too.  Now, since I don’t believe all of us are a disease, I actually am perfect.

    • vic says:

      01:53pm | 11/05/11

      Melinda Tankard Reist should pull her head in and realise there’s more to life than going out of your way to find things to be offended by.
      To assume that what people write on the internet is what they really think is just stupid. I would venture to say 90% of the nastiness was just trolling looking for EXACTLY the reaction it got from Melinda.
      DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!

    • Bum Lover says:

      02:20pm | 11/05/11

      “we’re not all bum-obsessed trolls”.  Yes we are!!!

    • Kev says:

      02:24pm | 11/05/11

      I struggle to understand why Melinda (or either of you) visited the page in question.  We all heard about it but I chose not to view or participate. Melinda on the other hand, chose to go there and read all the comments and then complains about the content.  An idea for your next article Melinda, go hire a porno and then you’ll really have some objectification to talk about . Otherwise, stop promoting these trolls.

    • Boris says:

      02:28pm | 11/05/11

      What are we talking about? Bums? Yeah… bums are nice. Not on fat chicks though. Fat chicks shit me.

    • Phil says:

      02:49pm | 11/05/11

      Perhaps the trolls are highlighting how vulnerable we really are on the net. To a troll, the internet is a joke, because the general public simply hasn’t THE slightest clue as to how vulnerable they are online (and often - how vulnerable the systems are, when online). Trolling dates back to graffiti on walls IMO. But on that note I will be honest - there is *some graffiti that I absolutely respect, for reasons of comedy or true artistic comment on society.

    • Markus says:

      03:09pm | 11/05/11

      Spot on. I mentioned something similar to a poster above (who claims her entire view on the male gender has been destroyed by reading anonymous blog posts), that if someone genuinely believes that:
      a) posts of this nature are entirely serious and
      b) that they are representative of the opinions of the majority of people

      then they really don’t have the mental/emotional maturity required to participate in the wonder that is the internet.

    • Ben H says:

      03:00pm | 11/05/11

      Is it any surprise that in a post-feminist society women are seen as mere expirable sex products? If you had spent your lives campaigning against feminism then there might have even been a smidgen of respect left. Men can’t manage and properly love women anymore (because of what the latter have become), so they use them instead. While it is itself also driven by social programming, the commodification of women is an unconscious reaction to feminism.

      And regarding the relative anonymity of web posters: it’s the future, so get used to it. People know they no longer have to go through official channels to be heard, not to mention the contemptible censorship of ideology in the mainstream. The dying old media can no longer keep the gate, and it will be eventually overrun.

    • Catherine Rose says:

      02:59pm | 16/05/11

      So, just so we have got this straight.

      Women who JUST wanted NORMAL things like the right to vote, be financially autonomous, protected by the law, and given life choices DESERVE to be used and abused?

    • Joey says:

      03:38pm | 11/05/11

      As a Youtuber I don’t give a toss which is better, facebook or twitter, whatever.

    • Big D says:

      03:46pm | 11/05/11

      I reckon 90% of the humans in this world are obsessed with sex.

      You see old men on the bus perving at little girls even. They can’t look away like it’s an obsession.

      Hot people look for other hot people and eventually marry another hot person. Most of the time their marriage ends after a few years because they have nothing in common and can’t enjoy spending time together.

      The time when we grow brains the time we will stop being sexist and obsessed with sex

    • fairsfair says:

      04:18pm | 11/05/11

      Just to play devil’s advocate - What if that old man is merely looking at a happy child in wonderment or reminiscing his own childhood?

    • The Badger says:

      07:07pm | 11/05/11

      Pretty narrow view of the world Big D
      You think that old man on the bus could be looking at a little girl, remembering his daughter who is now grown and gone far away raising a family of her own?
      Remembering her smile, innocence and exuberance for life?
      That you think he is perving I think says more about you than it does about him

    • Mana says:

      04:18pm | 11/05/11

      How can a University Lecturer misspell “Ku Klux Klan”?

    • Kika says:

      04:24pm | 11/05/11

      Well my husband is obsessed with the female arse. I can’t see where the author was wrong.

    • Justin says:

      04:25pm | 11/05/11

      I was at Adelaide Zoo a couple of weeks back & was looking in to the baboon enclosure. You can guess what happened when one of the lady baboons walked past the big bloke with her “Pippa Middleton” swaying provocatively. There were parents with prams moving on very quickly.

      We’re not that far removed from other primates, so why is anyone surprised that our DNA likes the T & A? The difference is that we stop short of just jumping aboard uninvited & have to be content with admiring. Some people admire in different ways.

    • Enrico says:

      12:17am | 12/05/11

      Christ, that’s funny.  And true, too.

    • Sam says:

      05:15pm | 11/05/11

      Welcome to the Internet Steve, once upon a time all Internet users were seen as hackers.. nowdays if we don’t use facebook or twitter we are software pirates! Free the net!

    • bikinis on top says:

      06:48pm | 11/05/11

      Men use their girlometers to measure girls.They are Girlometer obsessed trolls.
      Men can be bum obsessed trolls,breasts obsessed trolls, legs obsessed trolls, curves obsessed trolls and vagina obsessed trolls.
      Very few men are brain obsessed trolls or personality obsessed trolls..

    • Correct me if I'm wrong says:

      07:07pm | 11/05/11

      You state that “There will always be a tiny group of sickos, whack-jobs, and nut bars out there.” However from memory and, correct me if I’m wrong,’ the majority of comments in the Punch article backing/appreciating/understanding this ‘tiny group’ was actually not so tiny, was actually a lot.

    • Markus says:

      09:58pm | 11/05/11

      Why yes, the number of comments on that Punch article repeatedly stating “learn the meaning of the word ‘metaphor’” or “the internet has trolls, don’t feed them” was actually quite a lot.
      How observant of you.

    • Correct me if I'm wrong says:

      10:18pm | 12/05/11

      Thanks Markus for noticing my observation skills.

      So according to you, if there is a tiny group we call them sickos, whack-jobs, and nut bars and when there is a lot of them we call them trolls.  mmmm

      And when someone’s filthy mind and crude language is questioned, we call this a figure of speech (metaphor) .. how very sophisticated.

    • scorched_bird says:

      07:51pm | 11/05/11

      If you go to the “Pippa Middleton Arse Appreciation Society” page on facebook, you will see that Pippa Middleton actually LIKES it. Here’s a pic http://scorched.eu5.org/?p=18

    • Bob says:

      09:24pm | 11/05/11

      I just hink Melinda Tankard Reist needs to spend more time in the kitchen wink

    • Servaas says:

      09:55pm | 11/05/11

      If there are any doubts about whether our culture is pornified those with doubts should get out a bit more. Harrington might be guilty of exactly what he’s accusing MTR of: none of the tight, well-mannered group he hangs with said vulgar things about Pippa’s bum and therefore MTRs claims are outrageous.

      Switch on the tv, read the paper, browse the internet, porn is everywhere. Porn is not just a late night movie in which people have sex all the time. Being ignorant of course gives one a reason to not care. Read up on more of MTRs work and get a better idea of what she’s talking about. The reality is that the effects of all this ‘sex sells’ nonsense we find everywhere nowadays is real and it does have consequences.

    • stephen says:

      10:01pm | 11/05/11

      At the end of day all you dickhead males out there that think such comments will get you a female like Pippa are delusional. Way out of your league boys and I mean boys because a gentlemen know how to respect women. Dream on boys.

    • a bloke says:

      11:10pm | 11/05/11

      Stephen mate ... come on get fair dinkum ... we real men know that you treat ‘em mean and keep ‘em keen.

    • Biff says:

      09:51am | 12/05/11

      You sound a little gay

    • Enrico says:

      10:18pm | 11/05/11

      Stephen, son, take your hand off your weiner.  That’s an impressive ass by anybody’s standard.

    • Col Sanders says:

      12:36am | 12/05/11

      Dont know what your posts have to do with the current topic Sad Reality, unless it is about Obsessed Trolls? Extremists arent just Muslin they exist in all societies usually driven by their religion; whether it is Christian men raping Lesbians to cure them of their sexual orientation, Orthodox Jewish newspapers not printing photos of women because it is seen as sexually suggestive, or religious Right shooting Abortion Doctors. But doesnt mean everyone is tarred with the same brush.

    • andre says:

      09:00am | 12/05/11

      Where did you get the idea of Christian men raping lesbians to cure them ? Have been watching all those movies , eh ?
      You are serously deluded mate.
      You also forgot to mention the most important kind of extremism - extremism based on “science” of Darwinism perpetrated mostly by atheists. A good example here is Hitler or Stalin.Books of Dawkins and eugenic movement are spreading those old ideas today. Conversation about the arse are the result of science of Darwin as well. He was the osne who propagated the sexual selection in his scientific books. So no wonder. As to quality of the arse it is a matter of personal opinion unless the opinion can be a result of more than one based on personal physical experiences with the owner of the arse.

    • Col Sanders says:

      09:53am | 12/05/11

      probably you do not get out much or read the paper, andre.. worth having a google south africa, capetown etc and the reasoning behind these so called corrective rapes and why the victims do not get justice.
      because as you say “The quality of an arse is a matter of personal opinion.”

    • andre says:

      12:37pm | 12/05/11

      Check your facts before you spread smear against Christianity , you troll.
      I googled the topic and found an article there . There is nothiing said that the corrective rapes are done by Christians. I understand that as a homosexual you may have issue with Christianity because the Biibloe calls the homosexuality a sin. But that was Hitler who was putting socially maladjusted like homosexual to the concentration camps…
      Here is the link to the article :
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110510/ap_on_re_af/af_south_africa_lesbians_attacked

    • Col Sanders says:

      01:52pm | 12/05/11

      I am not a homosexual neither anti-Christian nor fanatic andre but you really need to look a bit further than just one article even if you do believe Adam and Eve kept pet dinosaurs. In 2009, a group of American evangelicals held homophobic rallies and workshops in Uganda about turning gay people straight and claiming that gay men sodomized boys. Human rights groups would blame the evangelists and the government for the subsequent — and deadly — spike in anti-gay sentiment. But wait there is More!

    • Annielaural says:

      02:27pm | 12/05/11

      I know this is off topic about Cate’s ass and I stress I am not a lesbian
      But andre I thought this could be a useful link to your christian discussion.
      Corrective Rape, THE Solution for the Lesbian Threat To America!
      http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64701

    • Stephen says:

      08:18am | 12/05/11

      the sad reality is that our society is more pornified then we realise.
      Doing research for my masters degree i have come acrss numerus studies that have shown that by the age of 11 almost 100% of boys and 90% of girls have been exposed to porn.
      that is not something that would have happened in years gone past. I don’t think that we can underestimate the effect that this has on our society.

    • nellynellynellnell says:

      09:04am | 12/05/11

      I just love how quickly the comments went from bums to terrorists. I think it’s a new record.

    • David says:

      09:33am | 12/05/11

      The internet has given everyone an almost equally loud voice, that is the issue. In days gone by someone with something to say as horrible as what was said on the Facebook page would have spouted their vile to two or three others who would have absorbed the comment and moved on. Nowadays, they can post the same comments to almost limitless audience where they stay for all eternity. This gives them a voice and an audience that they do not deserve and leads to assumptions about us becoming a more “pornified” society just because these comments seem to be in the public eye more these days. It is not true and, if anything, attitudes towards women have improved as women rightly have taken their place (the speed of which is another debate) in more powerful roles within society.

 

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