It loomed like an end of year exam. Threatening. Dreary. Ominous. And completely necessary in order to proceed into the next year.  As Labor MPs braced for the anniversary of the most tumultuous day in Australian politics since the dismissal of Gough Whitlam, they already knew it would be tough. But what really ate away at them was what Tony Abbott had been skilfully exploiting for months.

T vs J. Continued. Photos: Perth Now

The switch to Julia Gillard had failed. The Government had spiralled downwards.Yes it had survived an election, but even that “win’‘, by way of backroom negotiation after the fact (hardly the Australian way) was a poison chalice.

At around 27 per cent, Labor’s primary vote is now at the lowest level for any federal government in the 39 years of Nielsen Poll and the first time one of the major parties had dipped below 30 per cent. Equally galling was that twice as many voters prefer the man Ms Gillard had displaced. If an election were held now, the ALP would have been decimated.

The numbers didn’t lie: the coup was an error and the carbon tax backflip has compounded it. Poll analyst Andrew Catsaras says the voter dislocation of Rudd’s demise meant the subsequent carbon tax reversal would never be seen in isolation.

And he says, even though Tony Abbott may not be trusted by voters either, it is because the PM is proposing change that it hurts her more.

“We have two leaders, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott, who are not trusted by the electorate ... Gillard is now saying to the electorate ‘I’m going to make a change that’s in your best interests’, but because she has not yet provided any information as to how this change will work, she is effectively asking them to take her on trust _ a commodity she does not have to trade. Abbott, on the other hand, is saying to the electorate ‘I’m not going to make any change’. In those circumstances, when you are faced with two people you do not trust, the one saying they are not going to change anything is more likely to win. It’s the least risky proposition for the voter.’‘

Labor MPs are increasingly despondent and many seem to have accepted that the Government cannot win. In that despondency, there is a new willingness to admit that the errors of the Rudd period were not his alone.

Some, who are wondering what it was all for, concede they readily signed up to the Gillard push when it came. And they admit that the way the former PM ran the government was farcical just as the way he ran Caucus was routinely condescending and demeaning.

The arguments are familiar enough: Kevin Rudd’s office was a dysfunctional logjam, he treated staff and colleagues with contempt, and crucially, after scotching the CPRS and botching the RSPT, he lacked the wherewithall to achieve the government’s recovery.

But they admit also that he was what they had allowed him to become. Too many of them had been willing to let someone else lead, and not just among the backbenches.

This had not only seen Kevin Rudd extended enough rope with which to hang himself, it also saw a lot of people uncritically swing to the Gillard camp when told to, Cabinet ministers among them. It is a telling indictment of what happens when the professionalisation of politics is taken too far.

Slavish discipline to avoid bad publicity makes sense if your only object is to avoid being singled out as a recalcitrant or “not a team player”. But this is pseudo-loyalty because it actually represents a betrayal of the party’s and the government’s real interests.

If there is a silver lining to this tawdry year, it is that Julia Gillard has revived the collective decision-making processes of government. Caucus meetings no longer resemble bad tutorials where MPs could be singled out for not having done the required reading. And Cabinet actually gets to decide on things. If a revival of Labor’s fortunes is to come, it will happen slowly and it will be based on the long hard slog of delivering.

This week’s NBN announcement was the first concrete example of this - even if it was Rudd’s policy originally. In the next couple of weeks, the Government will unveil its carbon tax arrangements and its widely maligned Malaysia people-swap deal.

Neither will be popular and neither will see a revival in the polls. But both are key. The former to give the Government some much needed detail to defend. The latter because it may actually stop the boats (although few believe this) and thus defuse the issue.

And there are other things happening too.

On Thursday night, the Government secured passage of the core of its Budget with, as it happens, the quiet acquiescence of the Opposition - the same Opposition that had huffed that the family tax benefits tightening was “class warfare’‘.

The Budget appropriation bills were the latest of 151 pieces of legislation to have now cleared the lower house. It may be hard to see, but Julia Gillard believes she has a plan for recovery. Just don’t expect to see much evidence of it in the near future.

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    • Dave says:

      07:27am | 25/06/11

      As a Liberal voter, the best thing for us is to have that incompetent oxygen thief dullard in power. Our landslide win at the next election is going to be the sweetest victory of all…

    • Libby says:

      08:46am | 25/06/11

      Completely agree Dave,Tony Abbott is a sterling chap and will lead the country back to prosperity and reinstate Australia to the admired and respected country that all Liberal Governments have established previously,Labor are a filthy treacherous appalling rabble LOL

    • The Badger says:

      09:32am | 25/06/11

      As not a liberal voter the best thing is watching the incompetent oxygen thief Rabbott in opposition. His inability to win the support of the people at the last election and his defeat at the next election continues to be the sweetest victory at all.
      Rabbott - the gift that keeps on giving.

    • Kim says:

      10:21am | 25/06/11

      Yes, but Paul Keating already had dibs on that line. The best thing is to have the Coalition in Opposition. See you in two years.

    • DY says:

      11:36am | 25/06/11

      Landside Victory? Was that not meant to of happened last election?Even as bad as Labor is you didnt win the election by much votes but your still in opposition. Two years in politics is a long time.

    • emm says:

      12:10pm | 25/06/11

      Well said Dave, Will be sweet to see her and those indies go down.  Hats aff to Abbott he is doing the right thing by the australian people and will make a fine PM.

    • Richard says:

      12:14pm | 25/06/11

      DY, the 2010 election was going to be a landslide towards Labor while Kevin Rudd was still PM and Malcolm Turnbull Leader of the Opposition. It was only since Tony Abbott became Liberal leader that things started to turn around, but still no one ever thought that Labor would fail to win a majority: that outcome astonished everyone. And no one ever ever ever said there would be a landslide Liberal win in 2010, that’s deceitful historical revisionism on your behalf right there DY.

      But here you are saying “as bad as Labor is you didn’t win… 2 years is a long time…. blah blah blah”, but its not like there is any evidence to suggest that Labor will improve in the next 2 years.

      There is an excellent article in The Daily Reckoning today about the very real and present risks to the Australian and World economies, I encourage you to read it. Its never sensible to count all your chickens before they hatch, which is what the Federal government has effectively done. They project the China boom to continue on forever, there counting in it to save their bacon, but you know that’s not guaranteed: no one can see the future before it happens.

      All I ask is this DY, if you think Labor are in a bad position now, just imagine if they lead Australia into a crushing recession between now and the next election. How do you think they would fare then?

      2 years is a long time indeed…

    • DY says:

      12:42pm | 25/06/11

      Richard you sound like a poor looser. Better luck next election. Looser

    • Joan says:

      01:56pm | 25/06/11

      @ Dave

      Right wingers still in denial really are the gifts that just keep giving.

      Every time you pretend to celebrate your election loss again, it makes the victory even better for those on the winning side.

    • Swingdog says:

      03:15pm | 25/06/11

      At least he can spell loser.

    • Bris Jack says:

      05:15pm | 25/06/11

      Mr Rabbitt may pull an abbott of the hat.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      05:52pm | 25/06/11

      D.Y.  ;  Does that stand for dumb yob.

    • Wayne says:

      06:35pm | 25/06/11

      As a swinging voter (and lets face it.. swinging voters are the only ones whose votes count because the rusted on Liberal and Labor votes are already taken into account)... as a swinging voter I am dismayed at both choices.  I voted Kevin (happily), and I voted Julia (grudgingly), but I can never and would never vote Abbott.  He has done nothing positive in opposition and his entire strategy seems to be negative.  please, Please, PLEASE Liberal party.. give me someone to vote for, and maybe.. just maybe you’ll get your landslide.

    • Mitch says:

      09:13pm | 25/06/11

      Wayne - I completely agree, swinging voters are the ones who make or break a government, yet no one seems to care about them anymore.

      Abbott appeals to people who were only ever going to vote liberal anyway. They whinge and whine about Turnbull but they’d still vote for him.
      Gillard appeals to retarded unionists who think striking helps companies afford a wage rise.
      Does anyone want to try for middle ground? anyone? please?

    • acotrel says:

      07:39am | 26/06/11

      ‘This week’s NBN announcement was the first concrete example of this - even if it was Rudd’s policy originally. In the next couple of weeks, the Government will unveil its carbon tax arrangements and its widely maligned Malaysia people-swap deal.’

      ‘Maligned’ is the right word. It applies to the way Abbott has responded to all three initiatives.  And two others go along with it - malicious, and poisonous

    • Nite Lite says:

      08:04am | 26/06/11

      Dave - Sounds like a bit of cheerleading but overall there is merit to what you say. I disagree with some and say that 2 years is not all that far away. When you don’t like something, or somebody, a persons mind & heart can carry anger a lot longer than that. JG has tainted Labor and that affect will last for at least 2 (not years) but TERMS. Voters have gained a legitimate and genuine distrust for Labor overall thanks to JG. She constantly says she does not care what the polls say which in affect means I could care less about voter sentiment. The only reason Labor is even talking about “compensation” with the carbon tax is because the voter backlash thanks in part to the Liberals so called “scare tactics”. Now we have further discussions about Labor tax cuts…why? As TA stated in a speech on 25 June, the word compensation means “the act or process of making amends for something”...according to the World English Dictionary. I do not see JG standing at the next election. I believe another Labor leader will be lined up to gain an upswing in voter sentiment but it will be approx 6 months out before the 2013 election. It will be too little too late. I don’t see a landslide but I do see a decisive victory and as I stated, Labor will be out of the big picture for at least 2 terms. In response to Liberal tax cut announcement, JG stated that “money doesn’t grow on trees” ... but as my wife snapped at the TV…“why does she act like it does?”

    • Christian Real says:

      07:27am | 27/06/11

      Libby says:
      Tony Abbott is a stirling chap
      What weed have you been smoking to come to that conclusion, Abbott, ‘a stirling chap?, you have got to be kidding.
      With friends like Abbott, who needs enemies?
      This story is taken from ‘The Australian’, written by Imre Salusinszky and Christine Kerr,June 27,2011 @ 12.00AM
      “Call for party review as Lib vote fails to heal split.”
      “Former Liberal party treasurer Michael Yabsley has called for an independent inquiry into the way the party is run,warning there are “more bombshells than you can poke a stick at.”
      “Mr Yabsley’s comments - in an email last week to Peter Reith,and confirmed yesterday to The Australian - suggest deep internal divisions within the Liberals have not been resolved by Saturday’s re-election of Alan stockdale as party president.”
      “Mr Yabsley has suggested that former High court judge Ian Callinan conduct the inquiry.”
      “Mr Stockdale,a former treasurer of Victoria,defeated Mr Reith,a workplace relations minister in the Howard government,by 57 to 56 on Saturday.”
      “Opposition Leader Tony Abbott infuriated senior party figures by offering Mr Reith his implicit support and then voting for Mr Stockdale,with footage of Mr Abbott showing the president his ballot paper screened on Sky News yesterday.”
      “There are people questioning his motives”, one said, “he could have stopped Reith running”
      “Sources slammed Mr Abbott for ignoring the advice of part elders - including John Howard and former Liberal federal treasurer Ron Walker - to back Mr Reith.”

    • Tedd says:

      07:57am | 25/06/11

      Its not just the switch to Julia that has failed, it is the whole shebang from around the time of Simon Crean that dished up ineffective leaders in Beasley, Latham, then Rudd - they got increasingly bad, at least in terms of creating Party unity.

    • Mark says:

      10:27am | 25/06/11

      @ Ted

      “Julia Gillard has revived the collective decision-making processes of government”, if that’s what you mean by Party unity.

    • Gregg says:

      08:08am | 25/06/11

      Oh Mark, even when painting a harsh landscape you do find it so difficult to take off your laborose coloured glasses don’t you!
      ” And he says, even though Tony Abbott may not be trusted by voters either, it is because the PM is proposing change that it hurts her more. “

      Mark, take of the glasses and do some consulting yourself and you might just find voters do trust Tony Abbott and Liberal policies and it is not just that Gillard is proposing changes but that she is first and foremost a proven liar, one now coming to the party a bit late to admit ” I did not mean to mislead people on there to be no Carbon Tax under a government she would lead “

      If that is so, then is she still lying like that 17 YO teenage girl? and if a PM admits that she has mislead the public on a major policy election issue, the only honorable courses of action for her are to stand down as leader, a new election to be called or for the policy not to be introduced until such time as it has been taken to an election.

      And then we have
      ” This had not only seen Kevin Rudd extended enough rope with which to hang himself, it also saw a lot of people uncritically swing to the Gillard camp when told to, Cabinet ministers among them. It is a telling indictment of what happens when the professionalisation of politics is taken too far. “
      There was a gang of four was there not, Gillard as deputy PM fully supportive of decisions being taken and so it was hardly a hanging suicide but some men in dark suits who have used the PMs deputy as a figurehead.

      ” If there is a silver lining to this tawdry year, it is that Julia Gillard has revived the collective decision-making processes of government. Caucus meetings no longer resemble bad tutorials where MPs could be singled out for not having done the required reading. And Cabinet actually gets to decide on things. If a revival of Labor’s fortunes is to come, it will happen slowly and it will be based on the long hard slog of delivering. “
      Come on Mark, be a bit independent and take of those green coloured lenses and you might see a big tall bloke by name of Brown having regular consultations with Gillard.
      The Greens are pulling the strings and will be doing so even more from July so you’ve got Caucus already an empty shell to become even more irrelevant.
      And then to help them with some nodding ways you even have the independents deciding policy for them, the restriction on Pokies for example and just like the knee jerker on the cattle trade, thousands of people employment to be affected.
      If Wilke doesn’t get his Pokie policy, he’ll be poking porky Juliar and that Earwig bloke needs to stay well clear of the cattleyards for he might just not be seeing the worst end of a bullock.

      You need to rename the party the Porkies and Bullocks Mob.
      A spit roast is best done very slowly!

    • The Badger says:

      09:43am | 25/06/11

      Everybody seems to be wearing glasses but you. Funny that.
      Many words, lots of insults and no substance.
      Why on earth didn’t you just play follow the leader and say NO?
      It’s ok, the inmate is back from the asylum, you can let him do the long posts and you can take a well deserved holiday and perhaps get some perspective back in your life. You need it.
      BTW - Tony Abbott will never be PM of Australia.  You enjoy the next 2 years in opposition….. It will be having a bumpy ride in the back of a divvy van with an unpleasant experience at the end.

    • michael j says:

      10:40am | 25/06/11

      That the Australian peoples now trust Abbot ,a man who said he was not to be trusted makes the future for the country look good through the bottom of a plonk bottle .
      Gillard is lying of course, Abbott would be to if he said anything that could be regarded as a Policy , but as the last election proved ,he has been told to keep his mouth shut.
      Exporting of live cattle and sheep has had big problems since it started 30 years ago,calls for it to be shut down didn’t work then and wont now
      if there are only 11 killing floors not up to scratch then black-ban them till they are and put some supervision in place to be paid for by Indonesia of course,what is so fuc-en hard about that,we are heading down the drain so quick we may have to take refuge in Ireland !

    • Ben81 says:

      10:58am | 25/06/11

      Did Badger seriously just say “no substance”?  Isn’t that his M.O.?

    • Against the Man says:

      11:09am | 25/06/11

      Oh Badger, your childish, minority view is really amusing. Juliar Gilltard is dumb and so it seems are her supporters. How can a back stabber spend the last year f@%king up rather than working hard to prove to everyone why she deserves the top job? Well it is either because she is dumb or doesn’t care oh God forbid both. Can you answer this simple question? What are her major/significant achievements since back stabbing Rudd and failing to form a majority government? It is a simple, straight forward question. If I don’t get a straight forward answer it means I’m right.

      Very simple to prove me wrong and shut me up. Are you game?

    • The Badger says:

      12:12pm | 25/06/11

      Yes Ben
      NO substance is Rabbott’s MO.
      Thanks for pointing that out, but most of us already knew that.
      AtM
      “Of the 151 bills that the Gillard government has supported, 151 have passed the House of representatives,Abbott has successfully blocked nothing,and successfully proposed nothing.”
      Way to go Tony - Hows that NO thing going for you?

    • Against the Man says:

      12:38pm | 25/06/11

      Huh Badger smoking dope are we? Passing 151 bills? Is that her major achievement? Wow! Passing legislation? Really dude they get paid to do a job, passing legislation and then flying off to the royal wedding just doesn’t meet bare minimum standards. Ever wonder why the ALP aren’t boasting about it? It is like a baker boasting about baking bread HaHaHaHaHaHa

      Do you think the Australian people are as stupid as the below average ALP supporter?

    • Wayne says:

      03:52pm | 25/06/11

      None of those 151 Bills would have passed if not given the YES by the opposition,  they still hold the balance of power in the senate until 1 July.  If Abbott had wanted to he could have blocked them, but both sides rarely do, otherwise Government wouldn’t function at all.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      03:58pm | 25/06/11

      I .love it when someone posts “hahahaha”. You just know that they are seething. Very funny stuff.

    • Ben81 says:

      04:10pm | 25/06/11

      Ah, so “Rabbot” isn’t a wrecker then after all. Thanks for pointing that out Badger.

    • Sandy says:

      08:25am | 25/06/11

      ..... don’t you get bored writing the same old thing each week?
      Need some new idea’s, check out the blog ‘Failed Estate’ Mr Denmore has some excellent ideas
      Kind regards

    • Against the Man says:

      08:26am | 25/06/11

      Key point’s from Mark’s article:
      - The switch to Julia Gillard had failed.
      - At around 27 per cent, Labor’s primary vote is now at the lowest level for any federal government in the 39 years of Nielsen Poll and the first time one of the major parties had dipped below 30 per cent.
      - The numbers didn’t lie: the coup was an error and the carbon tax backflip has compounded it.

      The NBN a success? Really? Gilltard has a plan for recovery? Really? So she backstabbed Rudd to make things right for the ALP by coming up with some of the dumbest policies ever and getting record low poll numbers and shrouded with constant negative press. Great job Gilltad.

      So you see why I’m not impressed with minority stake holders like Seano (still can’t explain the carbon tax to us), acotrel (like Seano runs from direct questions cause he knows his party is crap), TChong (how anybody can support the incompetent and corrupt Roxon is beyond me and he claims not to be a ALP voter, yeah right!), persphony (gets confused with reality and the truth).

      If the ALP and Gilltard are doing well can they explain Mark’s points? Is it the truth or is Mark a liar? Watch them run scared because they know answering that question will prove that they like the ALP are a bunch of bullshit artists!

      Game, Set and Match!

    • Seano says:

      04:11pm | 25/06/11

      The Carbon Tax was explained to both you and your sock puppets.

      Seek Help!

    • Against the Man says:

      05:14pm | 25/06/11

      Seano, it would seem you should sit in a corner and only speak when adults give you permission little fat boy smile

      Yes, we remember your non-explanation as well as how you conveniently chose not to answer questions put forth by others about the carbon tax. Is this the sort of teacher we want teaching our student?

      Seano you are beyond pathetic! You and your loser minority friends are getting a good lesson in reality! 27% baby, lowest ever poll numbers! You are part of that beautiful minority smile How funny!

      ps: I should give you a free training session sometime, lose weight and live longer. You are after all my Mr Bean/Moriarty hybrid that makes posting on the Punch and highlighting ALP supporter stupidy so much fun smile

      pps: Use the online dictionary for some of the big words you don’t understand…...

    • persephone says:

      05:23pm | 25/06/11

      Actually, AtM, what I do is expose the fact that you guys don’t know truth from fantasy.

      I use funny things called ‘facts’ to back up my comments.

      But alas, you can’t cope with that - much easier to shoot the messenger when you don’t want to understand the message.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:07pm | 25/06/11

      Yeah, pers we have seen your ‘facts’. How about you channel some of those ‘facts’ to the fake PM and help her get some credibility.

    • Seano says:

      06:33pm | 25/06/11

      Lunacy and name calling. Sorry who does that make “pathetic”?

      Seek Help!

    • Michael says:

      06:34pm | 25/06/11

      persephone, i have called you on bullshit many times, misrepresentation of facts and individuals and the things people have said.

      Each new day does not erase the day before it from history or memory.

      You persephone also use demeaning comments to silence opinions you don’t want to hear or acknowledge.

      Be all of who you are pers’ there’s no shame in being true to your beliefs.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:50pm | 25/06/11

      @  Michael - that is why it is so easy to break down the ALP ‘support’ base, the unreliability of pers, the coward like responses of Seano who is the king of hide and seek rather than address the direct issues.

      Fun fantastic I say smile

    • Seano says:

      07:46pm | 25/06/11

      @AtM - Only someone with dangerous mental health issues would think that calling someone “fat” was a winning argument.

      The only support base you’re damaging is the one you seek to promote.

      Seek Help!

    • persephone says:

      09:06pm | 25/06/11

      Michael

      grow up.

      I can’t silence anyone.

      If you wimp out of an argument because someone anonymous hurts your feelings on the net, don’t then go running around whinging that you’ve been ‘silenced’.

      I can’t recall you ever saying anything at all remarkable in any way, let alone using facts, but go on being a persecuted hero, fighting for truth and justice against my evil use of evidence and my devastating point downs, if that’s what rings your bells.

      Better to slump away from an argument, muttering that that evil Persephone has hurt your feelings, than admit that you’re beaten.

      Pathetic.

      (Oh, sorry. Didn’t mean to scare you away…..)

    • Richard says:

      09:15pm | 25/06/11

      Persephone says “I use funny things called ‘facts’ to back up my comments.”

      ICB on that persephone. Your “facts” you present are routinely refuted conclusively, only for you to just ignore that they’ve been refuted and keep spouting out more dubious “facts”.

      Your “facts” are nothing more than spin in most cases, and if you’d actually acknowledged all those times in the past when you were caught bullshitting red-handed, your credibility would not be as shot as what it is now.

    • Against the Man says:

      07:45am | 26/06/11

      I love watching Seano struggle to make sense…....so sad yet so fun. I’m so impressed at how he seems to think he is winning. It must be great being a student in his class because the pass mark must be 27% smile

      Sorry Seano, you set yourself again Mr Teacher smile

    • Michael says:

      10:02am | 26/06/11

      Good Morning persephone, your reply is classic persephone!

      I have never been offended by you my dear, i enjoy our converstions very much, my statement wasn’t a reflection of any hurt or ill will on my part pers’ simply an offering of traits you possess but left out of your self appraisal dear.

      The only discussion i have walked away from in here is the thread the other day (Friday?) about racism and the muslim lady Carnita Mathews, i felt the comments were becomming too ugly and i wanted to first draw the distinction between my posts and posts made by another person having the same “name” as i do.

      I can’t recall anything remarkable that i have said here either, but i have sent you packing a number of time pers’ not to mention you once again fail to acknowledge the truth of who you are and what you represent.

      Fact is pers’ you have been laying comparitively low this last week, normally you are a prolific poster on many threads.

      I think my ability to reply to your nonsense without resorting to lies and name calling is “grown up” enough for where we are posting.

    • Seano says:

      10:12am | 26/06/11

      @AtM

      Whilst your pounding out tonnes of batshit crazy here you’re not on the streets, you’re not committing self harm. Mission accomplished.

      Seek Help!

    • Against the Man says:

      10:30am | 26/06/11

      Huh? Seano I think you have just had a public mental breakdown on the Punch.

      ?Not on the streets? Huh…....wireless internet, iPhone????
      Self harm? Mission accomplished?????

      Dude you are not making any sense and just keep repeating the same words…...sorry man guess I should leave you alone to seek help for your mental illness. Another casualty of Gilltard’s incompetence.

      BTW today’s newspaper editorials and Bob Brown’s brilliant interview on the Insiders has scored ATM a whole bunch of points for the cause. Could not be happier!

      By the way I do feel sorry for you, but if ramblings help you cope, go for it my friend….......

    • persephone says:

      03:33pm | 26/06/11

      No, Michael, not ‘lying low’ but out working (and today, watching the kids at sport).

      I’ve said this repeatedly before - if I don’t reply to posts, it doesn’t mean anything other than I haven’t replied.

      If I think someone else has already adequately answered a post addressed to me, I won’t bother.

      If I think the poster is just being too silly for words, I won’t bother.

      Sometimes I simply don’t have the time.

      And sometimes I’m simply not there.

      I’m glad you think you’ve bested me on occasion, and hope it gives you a warm inner glow, although why ‘winning’ an argument with someone anonymous on t’net would do that is beyond me.

      I don’t recall shivering in my shoes at any comment emanating from you, but don’t care enough to even bother trying to find out why you think you’ve one upped me.

      I don’t know everything and thus expect to get caught out not knowing stuff - or not knowing it well enough to rebut every single minor point raised here.

      But, as I say, if it feeds your ego, please go around boasting about how you bested me.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:31am | 25/06/11

      Every Labor Government since Whitless has failed and its nice to see some sort of uniformity at least from this Government alhough its hard to work out who is running the country King Jooliar or Queen Bob. It really irks me to say ths but its time the Governor General made a decision and sacked the bloody lot and bought on an early election to save us from the excesses of this failed experiment in futility.

    • nossy says:

      08:58am | 25/06/11

      What is it Mark that makes Abbott so personally unpopular and unacceptable to Australian voters ? Is it the fact he has become the King of Naysayers ? Is it because he has only this week been labelled the most Extreme Right Wing Leader Australia has ever seen ? Is it because we have already seen him in action as the failed health Minister in the Howard government where he stripped a $BILLION out of Public Health? Is it because we have already had a taste of his failure at an election where he amazingingly LOST the unloseable 2010 election ? The list just goes on and on. But as Newspoll shows us despite Gillard being at the zenith of her unpopularity, some 2 and a quarter years from an election,  “Toxic Tony” has never once , NEVER ONCE, bested her as Preffered PM ! I detect gasps of amazement all over Australia to that illuminating fact ! If he couldnt win the 2010 election what hope a normal election - well the answer is NONE ! He will have wasted over 4 years of the Liberal Partys time come 2013 and by then as all reasonable commentators point out Labor will have bedded down their agenda. All i can say “Tony the One Trick Pony” is by far and away Labors best electoral asset - as Newspoll correctly shows !

    • Ben81 says:

      11:09am | 25/06/11

      Wow, still parroting the same crap you’ve been called out on many times before?  Have you no shame?
      I’d do it again, but the reply will just be “Oh Benny, haaaahhhhh” or something.

    • Frank Westham says:

      11:17am | 25/06/11

      Tony says NO
      Right back at ya Tony.
      Time the liberals ditched this loser, got some sense and came back towards the centre.

    • Gregg says:

      12:03pm | 25/06/11

      @Nossy,
      Or is it not anyhow
      ” What is it Mark that makes Abbott so personally unpopular and unacceptable to Australian voters ? “
      It’s hilarious that you even believe MK!, and then
      ” Is it because we have already had a taste of his failure at an election where he amazingingly LOST the unloseable 2010 election ? “
      It was never the unloseable election and you know that first term governments are rarely tipped out, yet Gillard with all her lack of womanly or otherwise charm damm near did lose and is only in Bogan Ville because of a couple misguided fools not representing the majority voice of their electorates.
      Incumbent PMs rarely also ever lose favouritism as leader but Juliar’s time is coming despite your protestations seemingly getting louder.
      Have you got another holiday and name change lined up to sook off and sulk when your beloved rule no more.
      And better make it an extra long holiday for they’ll be gone for an extra long time.

    • against the Man says:

      12:26pm | 25/06/11

      So if Tony is such a loser and Gilltard couldn’t get an outright win against him in an election at the height of her ‘popularity’, doesn’t that really say how much of a loser she is?

      Interesting…....

    • Richard says:

      12:30pm | 25/06/11

      Its not a valid criticism to say that Tony Abbott is too negative, because his role as leader of the OPPOSITION demands it. Were Tony Abbott Prime Minister one would be quite right to expect Abbott to adopt a more constructive position, but since he’s not PM, its not appropriate to expect him to do so. And hey, who knows, if we give him a chance I reckon he will be a constructive and productive PM, he certainly seems to be able to adopt to any job and perform competently under a variety of circumstances. Give him a chance~ he can’t be worse than the bungling fools we suffer currently.

      But I mean, at the moment, its getting a bit trite to keep banging on about Abbott’s supposed negativity. Its a bit rich really, since even whenever Tony does articulate a positive plan, such as to give the Australian people a voice on the Carbon Tax issue through a plebiscite, he gets haraunged and hassled for it.

      Jesus, you want to damn him if he does, and damn him if he doesn’t. But the loser of that game is the Australian people, who get locked out, have their voices silenced and ignored, and who have to suffer under an incompetent and bungling government.

      Your side had their chance Nosthow, they blew it, so don’t try and ruin it now for Tony before he’s even had a chance to show the people what he’s capable of in a constructive role.

    • Richard says:

      12:30pm | 25/06/11

      Its not a valid criticism to say that Tony Abbott is too negative, because his role as leader of the OPPOSITION demands it. Were Tony Abbott Prime Minister one would be quite right to expect Abbott to adopt a more constructive position, but since he’s not PM, its not appropriate to expect him to do so. And hey, who knows, if we give him a chance I reckon he will be a constructive and productive PM, he certainly seems to be able to adopt to any job and perform competently under a variety of circumstances. Give him a chance~ he can’t be worse than the bungling fools we suffer currently.

      But I mean, at the moment, its getting a bit trite to keep banging on about Abbott’s supposed negativity. Its a bit rich really, since even whenever Tony does articulate a positive plan, such as to give the Australian people a voice on the Carbon Tax issue through a plebiscite, he gets haraunged and hassled for it.

      Jesus, you want to damn him if he does, and damn him if he doesn’t. But the loser of that game is the Australian people, who get locked out, have their voices silenced and ignored, and who have to suffer under an incompetent and bungling government.

      Your side had their chance Nosthow, they blew it, so don’t try and ruin it now for Tony before he’s even had a chance to show the people what he’s capable of in a constructive role.

    • nossy says:

      12:35pm | 25/06/11

      @Gregg - the old memory still not too good huh Greggy ?  hahah Remember during the 2010 election and Laurie Oakes just about toasted Labor with his “revelations” huh ? Ahhhh yes all coming back old fella. And what did Abbott do when handed the election on a plate - go for the jugular - no he sat there like a school kid and giggled thinking the Main Prize was his - but lo and behold he never won and then to rub salt into the wound he wasnt able to get even one Independent across the line to form government ! Strewth Greggy ! Since then he has had about 15 failed censure motions in Parliament - need I go on Greggy - it looks like you, unlike me, support losers !  ahahahahahaah Learn to be a winner Greggy !

    • DY says:

      02:07pm | 25/06/11

      The reason Tony Abbott keeps saying no is because without his speach writters he realy cant string two words together. Australian politics are like Holden Vs Ford. Both crap.

    • WayneT says:

      04:21pm | 25/06/11

      The Liberals never seriously wanted to attain Government.  Why would you try and run a country while being hobbled by the Greens in the Senate.  They could forget about a second term with little or no policy being passed by those cretins in the upper house.  No he knew as Labor have now found that getting into bed with the Greens and independents has tied their hands behind their back and well and truly hobbled their chance of Governing in their own right.  People will see how dysfunctional Government can get when you throw some green in the mix and they will correct their error at the next poll.

    • Wayne says:

      06:44pm | 25/06/11

      @Richard - you thought Abbotts plebisite proposal was a positive thing??  Seriously??  You must be joking right?  It was a political stunt through and through.  $70 million dollars of our money for him to say - hey Julia - look the Carbon tax is not supported (which we all know anyway), and for Julia to say - that nice - and ignore it.  There was nothing positive here, further highlighted by the fact he stated that if by some miracle it came down in favour of a carbon tax he would also ignore it and keep hammering Labor about it.  It was a stunt funded by taxpapers to further his own ambitions.  It was not a “positive” for the government.

    • Richard says:

      08:25pm | 25/06/11

      Well I view the plebiscite proposal differently to you, Wayne. I believe that we live in a democracy, and that the people should have a voice.

      To say that spending $70Million dollars on giving voters a voice is a “waste” defies all rational sense of scale. $70 Million is a paltry sum compared to what the government wasted by knee-jerk banning beef exports to Indonesia, its insignificant in comparison to the Billions of $$$ the government wasted in burning down homes and killing contractors with their home insulation fiaso. For a Federal government, $70 Million is loose change. I mean, what about the $12 Million earmarked for advertising to sell their Carbon Tax, that’s just a blatant waste.

      My question to you would be then Wayne, under what circumstances would a plebiscite NOT be a waste? The founders put in the provision for a plebiscite into the constitution for a reason. And it seems to me that a proposal to fundamentally alter the entire fabric of the Australian economy, without an electoral mandate, would be the perfect situation to set up a plebiscite to give the people a say. What is your big problem with that?

    • Michael says:

      10:11pm | 25/06/11

      Exactly Richard…what $3-$4 per person in Australia to have a plebiscite is outstanding value for money when looked at beside Labor incompetence, mismanagement and wasteful spending.

      It may well save every Australian $600-$700 dollars a year to dump the carbon tax.

    • Lauren says:

      11:15pm | 25/06/11

      The plebiscite would not be a waste under two conditions:

      1) The full details on the proposed carbon tax were made available for all to review,, and
      2) Abbott agreed to accept the outcome of said plebiscite if it was to return a positive vote.

      I would love to be able to vote on the issue but I’d want to know what it is I’m voting on. I don’t trust the “the tax will end the world” line any more than I trust the “trust us it will all be okay” line. I want all the details before I can make a judgement.

    • Joan says:

      01:36am | 26/06/11

      @ WayneT

      Oh, I see. The Coalition wanted Labor to win the election.

      All that campaigning was just a ruse to lose the election so that they wouldn’t have to deal with the Greens in the Senate.

      Can you right wingers get any more deranged ?

    • Vaunted says:

      09:06am | 25/06/11

      Although it pained me, perhaps even psychologically damaged me, to listen to Julia’s ABC interview yesterday, her words certainly resonated when she declared her goal is to change the lives of the Aus-tra-lian people, today and in the future. No doubt she’ll be gratified to learn that despite Swanny’s cheerful rhetoric our company’s turnover has decreased more than 70% since January, so at least her governance in terms of effectively creating an un-cer-tain cli-mate for business confidence is having an effect. The woman may well be educated but she is a complete naive idiot.

    • iansand says:

      09:40am | 25/06/11

      A timorous incompetent as PM.  An unprincipled opportunist as opposition leader.  Can it get any worse?

    • DY says:

      11:34am | 25/06/11

      Yes it can it means one of them will be in power next election.

    • Baal says:

      07:00pm | 25/06/11

      Thankyou. I am horrified by both parties so much not too mention the bloody greens. I mean what the hell do you do when none of the options are deserving of the power?
      I mean really, what do we do?

    • Felipe says:

      10:21am | 25/06/11

      The NBN news is slowly unraveling.  Just yesterday,  the news says that Telstra is on a newer, faster internet/mobile phone system and will likely take back customers away from NBN.  This after the government pay taxpayers’ $11billion to both Telstra and Optus. 
      No one is talking about our ever increasing foreign debt.  According to B Joyce we come third behind Iceland and Ireland fast accumulating foreign debt even though we are at the heights of our mining boom.  We cannot trust Gillard and Swan because it is a labor trait to waste and spend more than they can earn. 
      We’ll be saddled with more expenditures when the Malaysian deal is finalised.  Malaysia is laughing all the way to the bank with Australia’s millions.
      Then come the carbon tax.  How can we be sure that the expected billions of dollars will be safe from Gillard and Swan’s hands while we the people suffer from the pains of higher prices in every single thing to run a household.  Gillard knows that she will not be re-elected after this tax as she concedes that Tony Abbott will be there to rescind the tax.
      Waiting two years to get rid of Gillard is too long and is extremely unpleasant.

    • BobM says:

      11:29am | 25/06/11

      Apparently we are paying Optus (owned by the Singapore government) about $1400 for each customer they sign up to the NBN. Way to go Julia…..!

      Malaysia is not the only country laughing all the way to the bank thanks to these incompetents.

    • Jen says:

      10:23am | 25/06/11

      Agree Dave & Tedd. Gregg learn to keep your comments short and sharp.  You rant like a Labor politician!  Mark at least we know what Abbott stands for - we still don’t know who the real Julia is.  Nor do most of us care!  She’s a socialist but adopts conservative views when it suits.  Believes in the Bible but not in God…..what a fake

    • Mark says:

      11:02am | 25/06/11

      @ Phil

      Where do I click for “No Democracy Now or I’ll stomp my feet and hold my breath”?

    • persephone says:

      12:09pm | 25/06/11

      We just had one.

      Julia Gillard was returned as Prime Minister.

    • Aitch B says:

      07:12pm | 25/06/11

      @Persephone

      Totally, utterly and unequivocally incorrect!!

      She wasn’t returned as Prime Minister because she wasn’t Prime Minister at the the previous election.

      Neither was Kevin Rudd, your previous hero.

      John Howard was.

      You can’t be returned if you’ve never been there before, Pers.

      Doh!!

    • persephone says:

      08:59pm | 25/06/11

      She was sworn in as Prime Minister prior to the election, AitchB, and was Prime Minister leading up to the election.

      Thus she was returned as Prime Minister.

      It’s not winning an election that makes someone PM; Keating was PM for two years before he won one.

    • Mark says:

      10:28am | 25/06/11

      @ Greg

      Nobody trusts Tony Abbott. That’s why he is even less popular than the Prime Minister.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:04am | 25/06/11

      Actually he’s been steadily climbing in that measure and is now tied with Gillard.
      Never mind that though, on the things that actually win elections his party has left Labor in his dust ages ago.

    • JT says:

      11:22am | 25/06/11

      It seems lying and obfuscation is an ingrained trait of Labor supporters. The last poll, that being the Nielsen poll has these figures:

      Ms Gillard’s approval at 37% (down 6); disapproval at 59% (up 7)
      Mr Abbott’s approval at 46% (up 1); disapproval at 50% (steady)
      Gillard and Abbott tied as preferred PM: Gillard 46% (down 1), Abbott 46% (up 2)

      So we have higher approval of Abbott, higher disapproval of Gillard and a tied preferred PM.

      It is one thing to go down with the ship but to deny she is sinking is a whole other level of insanity.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:22pm | 25/06/11

      I do. Therefore your hyperbowl has fallen over

    • Against the Man says:

      05:21pm | 25/06/11

      Trust?

      Miss No Carbon Tax?

      Trust?

      Miss ‘I stand by PM Rudd’

      Trust?

      Miss ‘Health reform has been sorted out’

      Trust Juliar Gilltard? HaHaHaHa too funny! Hell, we even have this whole real vs fake Juliar! What is up with that?

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      11:32am | 25/06/11

      “On Thursday night, the Government secured passage of the core of its Budget with, as it happens, the quiet acquiescence of the Opposition - the same Opposition that had huffed that the family tax benefits tightening was “class warfare’‘.”

      Proof, as if it were needed, that for the likes of Kenny and his many lefty media mates, Tony Abbott and the Libs can do no right. When they block legislation they are being “mindlessly negative” but when they let legislation through, they get no credit.

      Meanwhile, the real swinging voter finds it impossible to find truly non-partisan reporting.

    • persephone says:

      05:33pm | 25/06/11

      Steve

      the point is that this is legislation Abbott said he opposed - yet he didn’t even try to amend it.

      You’d expect that, in a parliament with a minority government, a half decent leader would be able to convince the indies to support them at least once in 150+ votes.

      One leader’s been able to do this 150+ times; the other - not once.

      You’d also expect that a leader who said that there was $50 billion worth of savings to be made in government expenditure and identified a further $4 billion when trying to overturn the flood levy, would be able to find $2 billion worth of savings to ‘save’ benefits having to be frozen to those earning over $150k (after tax, btw).

      What this shows is:

      -  Tony Abbott is such an incompetent and uninspiring leader that he can’t even block legislation in a hung Parliament.

      - . He is so economically inept that he can’t find $2 billion worth of savings in a government budget.

      -  Despite accusing the Gillard government of waste and mismanagement, when given the opportunity he can’t actually identify any.

      - He deliberately misleads the public into thinking that there are alternative courses of action to those the government has taken, but when push comes to shove, he is unable to back up his rhetoric.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      07:50pm | 25/06/11

      @SoC

      Which part of the passage you quote didn’t happen?

    • Richard says:

      08:38pm | 25/06/11

      Utter Rubbish Persephone. Steve is correct, all you ghoulish government apologists are just hankering to damn Abbot if he does and damn him if he doesn’t.

      Abbott has had some major major wins in this hung parliament which you are being willfully ignorant of, most recently the bilateral condemnation by both houses of parliament against this inept and incompetent government’s Malaysian outrage.

      The Manifest facts are:
      ~ Tony Abbott is a forceful and charismatic political character, he already wields ascendant power even as LOTO.
      ~ The Liberals have far more economic credibility than Labor, who are the very incarnation of waste and bureaucratic bungling.
      ~ Labor’s waste is so blatant and obvious only a blind fool would dispute it.
      ~ There are always more than one way to skin a cat, and you are the one deliberately misleading people to think that Labor’s way is the only way.

      Persephone, Steve made a valid point, and all your sour grapes don’t serve to refute it one bit.

    • persephone says:

      09:21pm | 25/06/11

      Yep, Richard, he won a big victory on something Parliament has no power over.

      Which probably meant that nobody really cared enough to fight over it.

      And then he lost the big motion later in the day, the one it was all supposed to be leading up to.

      Sorry, but actual real legislation trumps an ineffectual meaningless lettuce leaf of non binding motion anyday.

      The real facts are

      - in a Parliament with a minority government, he can’t win enough votes to stop the government doing anything it wants to;

      - in a Parliament where the balance of power is held by a handful of disparate independents, his charisma and forceful personality can’t influence even one of them - including (nominally) a member of his own Coalition - to vote against the government once out of 150 something times….

      - he is so charismatic and forceful that he performs more poorly in polls than the party he leads, and there is evidence to suggest he is such a drag on their vote that they’d be in government if he hadn’t been Leader at the last election;

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dislike-of-abbott-cost-libs-election/story-fn59niix-1226059924848

      ‘TONY Abbott looks like the giant-killer of Australian politics but according to new research, it was his unpopularity that cost the Liberals and Nationals the last election.’

      ‘...voters’ dislike of the Opposition Leader added more than 1 per cent to Labor’s vote.’

      - there is significant evidence to demonstrate that, in Australia’s history, Labor have always been better economic managers

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alp-best-manager-of-money-history-shows/story-fn59niix-1226056371414

      ‘WAYNE Swan is a tougher Treasurer than Peter Costello…’

      ‘New analysis of fiscal policy going back to the 1970s contains a shock for voters who generally rate the Coalition as the better economic manager.

      In fact, Labor treasurers have been more frugal, with Paul Keating the only treasurer to cut government spending in real terms, when the economy was growing in the second half of the 1980s.’

      Oh, and I agree with Steve about non partisan reporting - it is the lack of it that lets people like you accuse this government of waste and mismanagement without any real evidence to back up your statements.

      Because it’s the accepted truth in the media doesn’t make it actually true, you know.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:39am | 26/06/11

      Richard says:
      The Liberal have far more economic credibility than Labor.
      If this is the case, then why does the Opposition Treasurer Joe Hockey continue to miscalculate mathematical figures, maybe he simply can’t add up.
      A paragraph from the following story reads: “A Treasury analyis conducted at the request of the Independents found the costings out by $11 billion as a result of errors including double counting.”
      From the Sydney Morning Herald this story:
      “Hockey was economical with the truth:Lib poll costings never audited,written by Peter Martin,October 11,2010 - 3.00AM
      http://www.smh.com.au/hocey-was-economical-with-the-truth-lib-poll-costings-never-audited-20101010-16e31.html
      Another Story,this one from News.Com.Au
      “Hockey left stumbling over budget figures”, written by Malcolm Farr, May 18,2011 @ 2.50PM
      “Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey today stumbled over claims he miscalculated spending savings,simply saying that they were right “at a point of time”
      http://www.news.com.au/money/federalbudget/joehockey-left-stumbling-0ver-budget-figures/story-fn84fgcm-1226058319155
      And then this story where Joe Hockey was caught telling a fib:
      “Lawyer Joe Hockey’s legal fib, written by Simon Benson, from The Daily Telegrapgh, on July 28,2010 @ 12.00AM
      “Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has been caught out about his legal qualifications after wrongly claiming to be still cerified to practice law.”
      Another Paragraph reads:
      “However,it has been revealed Mr Hockey does not have a practising certificate and hasn’t been certified to practise law since June,1994.
      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lawyer-joe-hockeys-legal-fib/story-fn5zm695-1225897739949

    • The Badger says:

      11:35am | 25/06/11

      “Time’s up for tear-down Tony.”

      “Gillard may be the head of a minority government,but she has so far shown an iron grip on the parliament majority.”
      “Of the 151 bills that the Gillard government has supported, 151 have passed the House of representatives,Abbott has successfully blocked nothing,and successfully proposed nothing.”

      ‘As the government proceeds to get it’s signature initiatives through Parliament, Abbott looks increasingly ineffectual, full of empty bluster,and with nothing else to offer.this week the national broadband network crossed a serious threshold towards becoming reality,the likelihood is that the carbon tax will too,in the months ahead, successive losses in parliament will expose Abbott and demoralise his troops.”

      “Second,because victory cannot be scored on opinion polls,but in a federal election,Abbott will truly need to be an alternative prime minister,if he wants the people to vote “yes” he has to represent something more than “no”. “
      Thanks for pointing this out Christian. It of course is a very accurate reflection of the nothingness that defines the current liberal leadership

      http://tinyurl.com/5rzqj2x

    • nossy says:

      11:58am | 25/06/11

      @The Badger - well said there Badge - yes I read that excellent article by Peter Hartcher - spot on - actually on ABC24 this very week many astute commentators made a very similar observation.

    • Michael says:

      08:10pm | 25/06/11

      You are each as stupid as the other, the first half of the article tears the Labor party to shreds over their internal workings and the fact that the federal rabble is based on the failed NSW model.

      The second half is some sort of sad delusion that talking up how shit you think Abbott is as a human will somehow be enough of a distraction from the increasingly unavoidable reality that the Labor party are not fit to govern and only manage to pass as an opposition because of the lack of a third or fourth viable alternative.

    • DY says:

      12:18pm | 25/06/11

      TONY Abbott will promise a return to regular tax cuts under a Coalition government today in a concerted pitch for working families and small business.
      SO WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CANT HAVE KIDS OR ARE SINGLE AND EARN OVER $100k? so I have to pay for people who have kids. Baby Bonus, Child Care Rebates & the list goes on. The only way Liberals got into power was bribeing middle in come families with kids. Not on good policy. The only policy they have is boat people and family bribes.

    • The Badger says:

      12:51pm | 25/06/11

      The liberals only have one policy
      The policy of NO.

    • Richard says:

      01:21pm | 25/06/11

      Tax cuts are not bribes. In fact, income taxes are basically theft: the government forcibly takes money from you under threat of jail. So if the government takes less of your money, i.e. delivers a tax cut, its not a bribe at all, its a little bit of justice after all the waste that Labor has conducted with OUR money.

    • Helena says:

      01:39pm | 25/06/11

      Well go and get a job.

    • DY says:

      02:05pm | 25/06/11

      Helena I do have a job. I also employ 12 people. Both Labor and Liberal a crap. They both a led by idiots.

    • JT says:

      06:26pm | 25/06/11

      ‘‘Helena I do have a job. I also employ 12 people’‘

      BS. What is it with leftist fools like you and lying? Every post of yours is riddled with spelling errors and read as though a teenager wrote them.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      07:04pm | 25/06/11

      Gillard Labor has no policies only those of Bob Browne and Rudd’s leftovers after she knifed him.

      Give it away The Badger The Harass! You guys have lost, there is nothing to debate anymore. 1 whole year to put Gillard on pedestal and make her the PM you guys and media wanted the majority to believe. Gillard Labor has failed big time and what we now have is a Labor Minority Govt led by a lying self deprecating female who has lost touch for the people she represents.

    • TCB says:

      11:33pm | 25/06/11

      Yes badger,
      the ability to say No to dumb policies.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:30pm | 25/06/11

      These have cleared the lower house because deals were made whereby the independents agreed to vote with the Government so long as their proposals were met, hence why the NBN rollout went from Tasmania to Armidale. How many Liberal policies cleared the lower house when they were in Government? Ummm….. every single one of them. This argument is stupid and so are you. Will Abbott win the next election? Can’t say but he has a fighting chance, anyone who says he is “unelectable” remember the same was said about John Howard and victory can be scored on opinion polls, they are extremely accurate (close to an election) don’t remember any saying Keneally would win the last state election

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      12:37pm | 25/06/11

      On the TV program “Capital Hill” ABC TV Channel 24 23 June 2011, Australian federal Special Minister Of State Gary Gray told television viewers through the compere that the next federal election will be in the third quarter of 2013 ( July to September 2013) and that currently Labor only has three seats in the Federal House Of Representatives west of Adelaide.
      Is this the first year of Julia Gillard PM ?Are there numerous more years like 10 years? Or was the first year her last??

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      12:44pm | 25/06/11

      The next federal election will be an easy leadership choice..
      Julia Gillard ALP PM versus Julia Bishop Liberal PM.
      The next federal election will be won by JULIA who? Not Dr Who!!
      Tony Abbott will be a backbencher regardless of the election result.

    • Joan says:

      03:38pm | 25/06/11

      @ Lesley

      I’ll take any bet that Julia (sic) Bishop will never lead the Liberal Party. Her singular ability is to offer no competition whatsoever to the party leader, be it Nelson, Turnbull, Abbott, or anybody else.

    • Dr B S Goh says:

      01:26pm | 25/06/11

      It is pitiful to see a great party like the ALP commit suicide.

      Firstly they need to understand that their greatest enemy is not the Coalition but the Greens Party.

      The Greens has boxed PM Gillard into a suicidal corner with the carbon tax. The sad thing is that the carbon tax has negligible impact on global warming. Australia can have a greater impact on global warming by a Win-Win strategy by lifting the embargo on uranium sales to India. India gets 2.5% of its electricity from Nuclear Energy and wants to increase this by tenfold as soon as possible. Currently India gets about 70% of it electricity from coal which it has little and it gets much of its coal from Australia !!

      The only way PM Gillard can save the ALP is to hold a Referendum on the carbon tax. Let the people tell the Greens to get lost on the carbon tax which has negligible impact on global warming but which sadly will disadvantage the Australian Economy in the World. The Referendum and its loss is a way for the ALP to get rid of the death anchor round their necks in the next election. If the ALP gets the carbon tax into law many of the ALP MPs better plan to look for another job after the next election

    • Matt says:

      01:44pm | 25/06/11

      @ DY, I have a solution for your problem bemoaning the fact that you must “pay” to support people who’ve chosen to have children. Let me ask you: who pays for your retirement, you know, the subsidised medicine, ambulance services, transport freebies, pension, your ongoing medical care in your old age etc? Oh yes, the same kids you are so-called “financing” today i.e. the taxpayers of the future.

      Now for my solution that you just can’t refuse. Let the people that choose to have children not receive a dime from childless couples. Not a dime, nothing from you. Will that be acceptable? Families must pay for their children 100% and only share in the taxes collected from other families with children. Fair?

      In turn, when childless couples, single people etc - like you - retire, they, and you, receive ZERO aid from the tax earned and collected from the same children of those families you refused to support, you know, the future taxpayers. It would be a two tax type economy and not hard to set up.

      You will receive nothing when you retire and age, not a dime from the tax collected from the children of people who scrimped and toiled to raise the future taxpayers. Instead, you must pay full price for your medical needs, medicine, ambulance, aged care and work until the day you die to fully fund your retirement 100%. Now, is that not a fair deal? Any takers?

    • DY says:

      02:02pm | 25/06/11

      Did your parents get hand outs when they had you? Please get off your high horse. Before Phonny Howard bought in thi hand out how did peopel get by?

    • marley says:

      02:32pm | 25/06/11

      @Matt- its the taxpayers of today, single and childless as well as parents, who pay for the health care of expectant mothers, for their children’s medical care and vaccinations, for their schooling and a lot of their athletic facilities.  I don’t have a problem with that - I do have a problem with handing money over to parents for baby bonuses and the like, especially when there’s no real need involved.  I’ll pay taxes for their kids’ education,  but I don’t see why I should pay for their nappies.

    • DY says:

      02:27pm | 25/06/11

      Your ongoing medical care in your old age, Phonny Howard government forced me to take out private health care and if didnt I would be taxed more. Retirement is paid for by my super as well as my investments and investment property’s

    • DY says:

      02:31pm | 25/06/11

      Also Matt if you cant afford to bring up children by your own means then dont have them

    • Stuart says:

      02:46pm | 25/06/11

      How does it feel to be disliked by 73% of Australians Jules,I wish you an unhappy anniversary for your treaturous act,your lies,your incompetence and your untrustwortyness,have a lousy day with many more to come.

    • Lance says:

      03:32pm | 25/06/11

      I voted for Rudd in 07.  I was one of the change for change sake ‘keep them honest’ swinging voters.  This last year and the horrible greens/labor/independant government has probably turned me into a Libs voter for life. I am disgusted not only by the absolute arrogance this government shows, but just how fast we are developing into a socialist nation that punishes those who work hard and achieve financial success.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      04:02pm | 25/06/11

      The pressure on the media to do their jobs honestly, over the next two years, will sink Abbott. The light of exposure will disinfect the body politic.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      05:35pm | 25/06/11

      Hooray! Mark Kenny ( media ) has admitted what smart principled people said after the knifing of our elected PM that is was the wrong thing to do. How dare these bunch of bullies take away our democratic right. Some of us wanted to get rid of PM Rudd through democratic elections. We hadn’t forgotten the way PM Howard had to finish off his political career after serving us for nearly 12 years because of the big talking, big promising Kevin 07.

      Perhaps now that the media have admitted it was a wrong move to knife Rudd and have him replaced by a lying, egotistical, ambitious female they may leave Tony Abbott alone, scrutinize the Govt more and allow the people to decide during the next Elections to whom should become our next PM. No good scrutinizing Tony Abbott - he is not wasting taxpayer’s money while in Opposition.

    • Joan says:

      07:35pm | 25/06/11

      @ Rosie

      We don’t elect the Prime Minister in Australia. Google Westminster system of democracy.

      If your hatred of the Prime Minister is based on your anger at not being able to vote against Kevin Rudd, just move to the seat of Griffith.

    • Scott-a-diddly says:

      08:23pm | 26/06/11

      No, but he’s wasting my oxygen. Ineffectual, foot-in-mouth syndrome, poorly spoken [i ahh think ahh that we ahh should vote liberal *politician chuckle*]. If I vote Liberal, it’ll be for Turnbull. I don’t want a PM who needs more stage managing than Julia. Although at this point in time she is really less of a PM, and more a puppet sitting on Bob Brown’s hand, with the four Independent cowboys pulling the strings.

      Let’s face it RoRo - your analysis of Gillard could be applied to any and all politicians, past present, future and they could all fit. You can’t tell me Abscess is thinking of the mums and dads when he naysays Gillard’s next piece of legislation.

      This fence is mighty comfortable - but I’ve got no party alleigance, so both sides have to do some mighty fine talking before I start picking favourites. Personally, the best thing the Libs could do to get swingers like me on-side is to toss Abbott and reinstate Turnbull. Snooty, but well-spoken, blunt and far more believable than the Labor dross of Mr. Sheen and Kath Day-Knight.

    • Sony b Goode says:

      06:12pm | 25/06/11

      When you have a deprecated party whose core ideology is stopping anyone from getting ahead. Ie the destruction of prosperity, acting out it’s delusion of .
      material equality in a prosperous society, then you have a recipe for disaster

      Anyone who votes for labor is a free luncher or a Pareto phobic envyist. Nothing labor stands for has stood the test of time.

      Labor is yesterday’s party destroying tomorrow’s prosperity

    • David Jackson says:

      11:03pm | 25/06/11

      Every single thing the Labor party has done ever has been bad for Australia.
      They’re a bunch of fascist hippie communists
      Part of a conspiracy to spread the wealth from us hard working australians to the dole bludgers
      The Carbon Tax is a lie that has no scientific basis and was made by the government
      The NBN is not needed, you gen y folk care too much about your gadgets
      Asylum seekers have clearly known that ever since Rudd took power that there is a free pass to aus, now there are thousands who are on the dole, muslim and don’t speak english
      Tony Abbott is a splendid chap while Ms Gillard represents everything wrong with women
      The world is changing too much, that’s why I like Mr. Abbott

    • Liam says:

      01:12am | 26/06/11

      Labor would have lost the election with Rudd. Labor may have very well lost the 2 party preferred, but Labor would have lost 1 seat in Victoria, probably 2 in WA, at least 5 in NSW (thanks to the unpopular then Labor government) and would have lost 2 in QLD. That would have lost them office.

    • Eric says:

      07:38am | 26/06/11

      I fail to see why my country is being run by a Welsh communist liar, who cares nothing about Australia or Australians, and will hold on to power at any cost. There has not been a TRUE Labor Party for decades. This woman is proof of that.

    • Mark says:

      12:22pm | 26/06/11

      That explains why you also fail to find your own arse with both hands.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:17pm | 26/06/11

      Imagine the insults that a “real” Labor Party, representing the interests of average Australians, would attract on sites like this- and from people like you?

    • TheRaptured says:

      08:53am | 26/06/11

      This Labor government’s target audience for votes, which got it re-elected again in 2010, was the groups that are non traditional family, non christian, non jewish, non capitalist and those who are used to being controlled and oppressed and lied to by governments.  Bingo, Communist Dictator rule. She has accomplished exactly as the globalist elite have expected of her, not of what the true Australian’s wants of their government.

    • nossy says:

      08:58am | 26/06/11

      “Drop Kick Me Jesus, Through the Goal Posts of Life.” - I exclaimed in shocked amazement as Tones Abbott yesterday announced his Tax cut package 2 and a quarter years in advance should a miracle of Biblical proportions occur and he becomes PM in the 2013 election ! And of course the only reason the “Most Extreme Right Wing Leader” Australia has ever seen did that was to try and counter the bona fide Compensation Pakage that will come with the Carbon Tax due to kick in on July 1 2012 ! So we can take Tones tax Cuts with a grain of salt ! Of course many commentators are starting to raise the spectre of Abbotts Dr NO impersonation and what that will mean for Australia - like the one linked. “Ohh Tony You Great Big Phoney” !
      http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/can-tony-abbott-find-a-way-out-of-his-policyfree-zone-20110624-1gjlx.html

    • poa says:

      09:57am | 26/06/11

      Wow..all that and not a mention of the “I” word.
      Everyone else in the country knows that Labor, whether under Rudd, Gillard, or the Tooth Fairy…is just INCOMPETENT.
      There…thats used the I word.
      Try it Mark. Its prety good.
      You might think that passing 151 pieces of legislation from the Lower House is a sign of Competence.
      It is…In the Coalition!
      They pass the day to day stuff that keeps the nation moving. Fighting all iof Labor’s clangers. To say otherwise is just pure spin.

    • Don of Adel says:

      10:19am | 26/06/11

      I find I am quite disgusted that the current Govt , including the Greens are colliding to cover up such a reprehensible act like the Heiner Affair.(refer the ackerman blog and other stories on it). How can any Labor or Greens supporters justify that ! For Gillard, Rudd, Swan , Brown and the women in the Senate to block this is totally disgusting. Just goes to show how low they will sink to stay in power.

    • Don of Adel says:

      02:11pm | 26/06/11

      The Badger, persephone, Seano, nossy - anyone care to respond?????

    • nossy says:

      03:17pm | 26/06/11

      @Don of Adel - Buuuurrrrppppppppppppp ! what was that again Donny - just finished a big roast lucnch !  hahahahah

    • persephone says:

      03:40pm | 26/06/11

      Um, what to?

      Ackerman’s been banging on about this for years. It’s such a non issue neither the NLP in Queensland or the Coalition federally are at all interested in it.

      If there was any cover up at all, they’d be all over it like a rash.

    • nossy says:

      06:31pm | 26/06/11

      @Don of Adel - and i mite further ad dun washed dwon with a fine red - we r pised fela.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:22pm | 26/06/11

      Heiner affair, 22 years and numerous Senate enquiries and hearings,and the Liberal rednecks are still frothing at the mouth over something that has long past it’s use by date.
      There is no cover up, the only cover ups is in yours and other liberal rednecks small pea brain minds.
      A disgruntled sacked employee made up story that keeps regurgitating itself, it’s time to let go of your fairytale Don of Adel, it does not exist.
      Also, if this alledged rape occurred,don’t you think that this Aboriginal girl has suffered enough, without suffering and reliving the alledged events every time this issue is dragged up by unscrupulous people like you.
      22 plus years on indicates that whatever was alledgedly shredded was irrelevent to the Heiner Affair, otherwise those that you, others and Ackerman falsely claim were responsible for this coverup would have been brought to justice a long long time ago.
      I am of Aboriginal origin and I am sick and tired of people like you peddling their shit

    • Christian Real says:

      10:11pm | 26/06/11

      Don of Adel
      This is from a News story in ‘The Australian”
      “Obsessed pursuit led to shreddergate”, written by Hedley Thomas, October 13, 2007 @ 12.00AM
      “After today,the decision of Walker and two key characters - centre manager Peter Coyne and one of its inmates, Annette,who alleges she was raped as a 14 - year old in 1998 by other youths -  to speak out, a saga being used to derail Rudd’s campaign to be Prime Minister, should die. Annette,who asked to be identified by only her first name, is fed up with being used as a “political football.”
      “The so-called Heiner affair/sheddergate,which has dogged,confused and infuriated Queensland public servants, governments and media since 1990,is now a smoking ruin. There is no smoking gun.”
      “Kevin Lindeburg,a former union official,decided to set of on a weird pursuit 17 years ago in a bid to expose something that was never there in the first place after a crown law decision to recommend the shredding of the unremarkable complaints of the staff.”
      “Lindeberg,a pied piper for conspiracy theorists, has led an odd coalition including One Nation diehards, Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce,the Liberal Party’s Bronwyn Bishop and NSW Opposition legal affairs spokesman Greg Smith, and, in recent weeks, conservative commentors Alan Jones and News Limited’s Piers Ackerman.”
      In another Paragraphs it reads Don:
      “The proposition is that Rudd must have had something to do with the decision to destroy the documents,and that this had illegally covered up child sex abuse and other criminal acts. They want a special prosecutor on the case.”
      “But the proposition was shot down this week because the documents - internal reports by youth workers about Annette’s assault - were not destroyed, the documents, which were never part of Heiner’s investigation, were provided to The Australian this week.”

    • Tony H says:

      12:27pm | 26/06/11

      Whats with the Left complaning about Abbotts so-called negativity? Every piece of major policy this government has touched has been a disaster or has had billions of taxpayers money wasted. Imagine if you had some multi-billion dollar projects to run, would you put a bunch of fomer union officials and party staffers in charge? Perhaps throw in the odd rockstar?

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      12:39pm | 26/06/11

      This show is OVER Mark,,,,,,,Make up a new batch of popcorn, sit down and enjoy the New show that’s beginning July 1st. 2011 when Bbrown and his merry band of pixies will have the hap hap happiest time of their lives, many dirty deeds but they won’t be cheap, no wonder he’s got a mile long smile. Gillard will be held to ransome at every opportunity, she is lowly enough to trade off whatever it takes to acheive her agendas and Bbrown will play her like a finely tuned Stratovarius.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      02:02pm | 26/06/11

      Gillard is Prime Minister (PM) by default. She did not win the Augsut Federal Election. She lost it. The real PM will, inevitably, be Bob Brown or that dreadful Chritine Milne for it is they who will be calling the shots between now & August/September 2013 - that is, of course, presuming the three Independents in the Reps don’t tunr on her. Yes, OK there are four so-called Independent but one is simply an ALP puppet & that Green is irrelevant.
      Federal ALP is infected with the same deadly virus which infects State & Territory ALP Governments “Plans”. They are constantly releasing “Plans”. Plans to do this, that & the other. Pity is that is all they remian “Plans” for they never come to fruition. The details of their “Plans” are never, ever released, which is probably a good thing for they always end up abandoning them.
      That is the pattern being closely followed by the Gillard-Swan Federal ALP Government.
      They say lots but do nothing!

    • JustMEinT says:

      12:01pm | 28/06/11

      Trust NOT your elected politicains…...

      I hope you are all excited, waiting with ‘baited breath’ for the soon to be released Television Commercials you have paid for? Order in a Pizza and a 12 pack, plump up the cushions on the sofa, invite a few friends to come over and watch with you – YES this is going to be fun (not).
      http://justmeint.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/got-a-spare-12-million/

    • Gail says:

      01:01pm | 28/06/11

      I just read some of the coments from the fruit loops that are attacking each other in this collum,many of them would be happily at home in the loony bin.There is no doubt that Gillard has lied to us on many occasions and that she is distrusted by the Australian electorate.Her popularity is heading for the bottom line and that she is dragging the labor alliance down with her.What is the solution for this incompetent government,do they backstab Gillard or blunder on to political suicide with her.I personally don’t care what they do as they are finished as a government at the next election whatever they do.

 

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