As football players and people go Jason Akermanis is a pretty interesting guy.

I dunno what they were doing boss. Picture: David Crosling

The fact that he was motivated to write his Herald Sun column today about gay AFL players, demonstrates a depth of thinking a step above the usual “why the boys will be sticking it to Carlton this week” kind of columns that most players usually muster.

But as far as Aker’s argument goes, that AFL players should stay firmly in the closet, I’m not sure that his logic adds up.

His basic argument seems to be that it would be too confronting for team mates and the player himself to cope with the pressure of being outed as gay, therefore it shouldn’t be done.

The problem with this is argument is that it just walks a well-trodden path that argues against people coming out in any workplace, family or social scene because basically it would freak out too many other people.

Akermanis argues that football teams are different to other types of workplaces, what with the showers and “homoerotic” horseplay, an environment that could make guys feel uncomfortable if they knew a teammate was gay.

“In an athletic environment the rules are different from the cultural rules for men.

Never in a mall will you see two straight men hugging, a—- slapping and jumping around like kids after an important goal.

Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs.”

But at the same time Akermanis draws on his experience playing with a gay teammate, who he felt was somewhat ostracised by other teammates when they became uncomfortable in the locker room.

“I know he wasn’t about to try and convert me to his way of thinking, but I was uncomfortable all the same.

What I should have done was to sit down and talk with him in an attempt to understand his life.”

Akermanis is admitting here that his fear, like a lot of fear, has its roots in his ignorance of what his teammate actually felt about being the only gay member in the team. But his solution seems to be just to prolong that ignorance because it would be too stressful for both the team and the gay player to address it.

Akermanis seems concerned that the amount of attention that would be heaped on any open player would place them under a degree of pressure that would be unwelcome for them and their club.

When former Manly and Australian rugby league prop forward Ian Roberts came out as gay it was a massive story. For one of the toughest men in the game to admit to being gay was a shock to rugby league supporters and many players.

But Roberts also turned notions of what it is to be gay in Australia on its head, and was able to sit around and chat about it with Fatty on the Footy Show panel.

Roberts had retired by the time he came out and his decision has tended to define him since, but rather than attracting unwelcome pressure he regularly talks about what a relief it was for him to come out.

Former Welsh rugby union captain and the seventh most capped rugby player of all time, Gareth Thomas, has recently admitted to being gay and has also spoken about what a relief it was.

In saying a player coming out “would be international news and could break the fabric of a club” Akermanis is overestimating the extent to which people care about somebody being gay today and whether the world’s media would even care about a gay AFL player.

None of this is to say that a player should be outing themselves if they don’t feel completely comfortable with the decision, but I’m pretty not sure they don’t need the wise counsel of Aker.

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    • Barry says:

      11:28am | 20/05/10

      I think soccer, AFL and union need to over the gay issue. League is far more accepting of homosexual activity in clubs and it should be encouraged that if a player felt they were gay no stigmastism should be attached to thier preference for men.

    • harry says:

      12:41pm | 20/05/10

      what do you base this on barry, one high profile public ‘outing’?

      pretty sure league’s private, behind the changeroom door approach to homosexual activity would be far less forgiving.

    • Patrick says:

      12:56pm | 20/05/10

      Pretty sure harry’s right, just ask that Hawthorn trainer who came out about 6 months ago…

    • Ronk says:

      01:51pm | 20/05/10

      Oh come on. Homosexuality may be fine, even positively encouraged, in the English football codes of rugby and soccer, but you can’t compare them to Australian football, the family-friendly sport par excellence. Normally I don’t have much time for Aker but in this case his comments are very sensible. Too bad that it’s imposssible for anyone to have a sensible conversation about homosexuality without all the extremist nut-jobs irrationally screaming at him and at each other.

    • Ollie says:

      02:11pm | 20/05/10

      Ronk - aside from the untruth that rugby and soccer aren’t family friendly (have you been to a soccer game recently? All-seater stadiums full of kids and families these days) your ignorance about gay people is astonishing.

      How are gay people not suited to a ‘family friendly’ atmosphere? Because they might be perverts? Because they might recruit children to their secret gay army?

      Such comments are offensive as they are stupid. Gay people are much the same as straight people, they just have a different sexual orientation. This doesn’t make them some sort of horrible threat, it makes them normal human beings. Treat them with the dignity they deserve and drop the ignorant bigotry.

    • Ronk says:

      11:32am | 21/05/10

      Thanks for proving my point, Ollie.

    • Tim says:

      01:09pm | 21/05/10

      How does that prove your point Ronk?

    • Jo says:

      09:08pm | 21/05/10

      “behind the changeroom door approach to homosexual activity would be far less forgiving”

      Most homosexual people wouldn’t bother to try it on with a straight person, i believe, but as a straight woman i can tell you that if a lesbian makes a move on me i take it as a compliment and politely explain that i’m straight but thank you, i’m flattered she was interested (to save her feelings).  easy as that.  Most homosexual people aren’t offensively sexually aggressive.  No need to punch anyone, for heaven’s sake!

    • Comedian says:

      11:33am | 20/05/10

      I’m not saying Akermanis is 100% correct or wrong but I do understand what he is trying to say, do I agree? (Bit of a grey area for me)

      I guess the only way to find out is for someone to come out. If life is hard for that player after they come out then Akermanis was correct if not, well he is wrong.

    • Jones says:

      02:52pm | 21/05/10

      For me it all comes down to motivation.  If the hypothetical gay player feels like he’s trapped and really just wants to be out and proud and not have to hide, then great.  There is nothing worse than feeling like you’re not allowed to be yourself around friends and family.

      But if the gay guy is feeling pressured to come out and does so against his own wishes or judgement, it will be a nightmare.

      Simply, I don’t think Akermanis is homophobic, I don’t think he is being unreasonable.  I simply think he doesn’t understand the extraordinary damage to a person’s life and self-esteem when they are forced to pretend to be something they’re not.

    • wk says:

      11:38am | 20/05/10

      For all the bad stereotypes of league players -
      Afl produces this backward thinking, combined with numerous ongoing rape charges, admitted cover-ups of scandals, drug abuse….
      AFL is truly the most backward code of all!

    • Dan says:

      11:52am | 20/05/10

      You’re kidding right? After all the assaults and drunken displays, you honestly think that League is less backwards than AFL?

    • James says:

      12:11pm | 20/05/10

      hey man don’t be an aflophobe

    • wk says:

      12:19pm | 20/05/10

      yep. I do. Look at the facts. AFL just worked harder to cover things up for a long time (Several former club officials have admitted this)  Brendon Fevola hasn’t been subjected to anywhere NEAR the same crtitcism that a league player would have, having done the same thing.
      Not to mention one of the toughest, and well respected players in league - ian roberts - came out years ago in league without this rubbish being said form a supposedly ‘senior’ player.

    • Dan says:

      12:33pm | 20/05/10

      Cover what up? Salary cap? Yeh, as if almost every League club isn’t cheating the salary cap. Fevila has done nothing as bad as certain league players, and when he did do something less than ideal, he was dealth with. Ian Roberts? One player. One player. Considering that he almost certainly isn’t the only gay League player, I wouldn’t feel be too smug.

    • Glen says:

      12:44pm | 20/05/10

      @Dan

      And he was an ex-player by then

    • DaisyDuke says:

      12:55pm | 20/05/10

      At least AFL players know the difference between a toilet and a corridor

    • BTS says:

      12:56pm | 20/05/10

      wk,

      Apart from the obvious inaccuracy of your post, could you explain why it is that you believe that you need to promote ‘your’ code and denigrate others?  It’s a serious question.  Does it make you feel better?

    • Nik says:

      01:30pm | 20/05/10

      @DaisyDuke Don’t kid yourself, love. AFL players get themselves into as much trouble as any League player. Been a few rape and drug charges in AFL lately, hasn’t there?

      To all the gay players out there - come out if that is what YOU want. Do not feel pressured to live a lie to make others feel better.

    • Nikita says:

      01:46pm | 20/05/10

      Stop turning this in to a League vs. AFL debate. It doesn’t matter what kind of football a homosexual plays, they should not be deterred from ‘coming out of the closet’, especially not by a straight man. This is not just unconstructive to homosexual football players, it’s offensive to straight players who have been spoken for by one bigoted player.

    • nic says:

      11:41am | 20/05/10

      Leo, I disagree. I think Akermanis was being honest, maybe to the extent where he revealed too much about himself. To be fair, he probably only articulated what a number of footballers may feel. Like it or not, right or wrong, he is describing an environment that probably explains why footballers haven’t come out. In that sense his words are an insight.

    • Jane says:

      12:11pm | 20/05/10

      So nic the answer is that it’s only ok to come out if your team mates say it is? That’s madness. The only way to change attitudes and overcome fear and predjudice is by confronting issues of coming out in professional sport, and supporting those brave players that decide to out themselves.

      And Leo, you forgot to mention that Aker also acknowledged that same sex attracted youth are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than there straight peers. So it’s really bad that gay kids kill themselves but it’s not ok to have pround and public role models on the sports field to aspire to?

    • Paul2 says:

      12:39pm | 20/05/10

      Jane its something called the real world.  We “come out” where we feel safest to “come out”.  I thought Akers’ comments were reasoned and sensible and ultimately its about football, not Gay rights.  If someone wants to challenge that world and “come out” publicly, then all power to them, but there’s no compulsion on their team mates to break into a fraternal chorus of “I am what I am” just because some people think they should.  I’m sure the Gay guys sequestered in AFL already know all this.  Horses for courses.  It will probably always be safer for the Straight guy in the Chorus Line to come out than for the Gay guy in the aggressive male sport.  No amount of “confronting issues” will change that.

    • Paul2 says:

      12:40pm | 20/05/10

      Jane its something called the real world.  We “come out” where we feel safest to “come out”.  I thought Akers’ comments were reasoned and sensible and ultimately its about football, not Gay rights.  If someone wants to challenge that world and “come out” publicly, then all power to them, but there’s no compulsion on their team mates to break into a fraternal chorus of “I am what I am” just because some people think they should.  I’m sure the Gay guys sequestered in AFL already know all this.  Horses for courses.  It will probably always be safer for the Straight guy in the Chorus Line to come out than for the Gay guy in the aggressive male sport.  No amount of “confronting issues” will change that.

    • Scarlett Street Rocker says:

      02:41pm | 20/05/10

      That sounds like an Abbotism to me!

    • Andrew (Queensland) says:

      08:24am | 24/05/10

      Apparently, homosexual footballers should not come out due to the homophobia of other players, for their own sake and the sake of the other players.  What if it wasn’t someone’s sexual orientation, but their religion, should Muslim players stay ā€œĆ­n the closetā€ for fear of offending or scaring other players, or should Indigenous players try to pass as white for the sake of the other players.  What would have happened if Akermanis had made either of these suggestions?
      People have labelled Akermanis’ diatribe as ā€œunfortunateā€, but I doubt many would think them insightful.  It is typical (and confirmatory) of the heterosexual bias in society, where someone is lauded as good if they ā€œtolerateā€ homosexuals, homosexuality or any divergence from the norms of heterosexuality.
      Akermanis had stated that other players would not be ready or comfortable with other gay players, but this is the homophobia of others to discriminate against a sector of society, surely reducing homophobia is better than pandering to it.  In essence, the argument seems to say that one should continue homophobic stereotypes for the sake of homophobic people?  Again, what would happen if you had said the same about other people’s religion or Indigenous status?
      In the same week that Channel Seven ā€œjournalistsā€ outed a NSW Minister for going to a gay sex venue, we have Mr. Akermanis closeting other players.  It begs the question, would journalists have reported if a football player had frequented the same (or similar) establishment.  There is an oft quoted legal phrase launched whenever a public figure tries to get an injunction against facts being reported, ā€œthere is a difference between what is in the public interest and what the public would be interested inā€ but would outing a player as a user of a gay sauna pass the test, or would the heteronormative panopticon out (pardon the pun)
      Sporting heroes are toted as role models in the community, just as long as they are straight ones it would seem.  This only re-enforces the anti-gay stereotype that gay men are not ā€œrealā€ men.  Would it not be better to deconstruct (or tackle, to use a sporting term) the homophobic attitudes instead of reinforcing them?  Akermanis, in his article, brought up that other players would be uncomfortable in the locker room knowing that (apparently predatory) gay players were leering at them, or that players would be reluctant to hug, kiss or slap others players bottoms if they knew a player was gay – this from a sport where a player digitally raped other players during a game (that is John Hopawarty stuck his finger in opponents anus to rattle them).
      The week that these two non-stories were reported was International Homophobia Awareness Week, not international homophobic week.  Many logs in this site have defended Akermanis’ statements as telling it how it is, but they do more, they re-enforce the discrimination by reporting it as the norm.  I don’t doubt that some players would be made to feel uncomfortable with gays in football, just as there would be players who feel uncomfortable with Muslim or Indigenous players, but why are homophobic statements and attitudes given the privilege of discrimination, whilst anti-Muslim or anti-Indigenous statements are (rightly) condemned.

    • Michael says:

      11:48am | 20/05/10

      If the “football world” can’t can’t handle it when one of their own come out, then they need to. It’s not like they have a choice.

    • Chris H says:

      12:01pm | 20/05/10

      Great to read an analysis that isn’t just “Aker is homophobic and should shutup”.  This is a logical, reasonable reaction and I applaud the article.  Hopefully some of the quick Aker baggers can gain somewhat of an understanding of what he was trying to say.

    • Moose says:

      04:06pm | 20/05/10

      I wouldn’t hold your breath Chris

    • Brad says:

      12:01pm | 20/05/10

      Leo , I think you may have missed one point at least. I frustrates me that it seems the whole idea offering a LOT of money to come out is repugnant and sinks of another agendas is totally overlooked. I do not agree with a lot of what Jason has said - but i do agree with the fact that what a person sexuality is their own business and the DO NOT have any requirement to state if the are Hetro or Homosexual and the whole idea off offering inducements to do so it sick.
      .

    • Rob says:

      12:04pm | 20/05/10

      I think Aker is pretty much on the money with what he’s saying. As progressive as we like to think “everyone” is, there is still a lot of fear and indeed hate towards homosexuals in today’s society and in blokey environments like sports teams it can indeed be worse. And I totally see his point that blokes in footy teams like to do things with each other that must seem utterly bizarre in day to day life, but which make sense in their “bubble” so to speak. Then, to put a gay man in the middle of blokey blokes who like running around in the nude with each other, but in the understanding that they’re all straight and “it doesn’t mean anything” I can totally see what he’s saying, and it COULD lead to issues. Again, not everyone is as forward thinking and progressive as we like to think. And now this guy’s getting attacked for simply stating the truth.

    • BTS says:

      01:02pm | 20/05/10

      I agree whole heartedly Rob, but the Australian media has no interest in fair and open assessment.  It’s interested in Jerry Springer reactionary horror to imagined scenarios.

    • Smidgeling says:

      03:27pm | 20/05/10

      You’re right in the sense that the guy is calling the situation as he sees it. The guy isn’t saying that homosexuality is bad, he’s just calling out the organisation for its shortcomings even if it come across poorly.

      On the flip side, the sort NEEDS to be more accepting of gay players. There is this assumption that a gay player would be less manly and less professional in the game. This is ridiculous. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together know there are the stereotypical gay guys and then there are blokes that happen to like other guys.

      What they need is the toughest and nastiest player to end up being gay. The type of player that would be capable of handling the flak that he would get for coming out. Or you know, footy players could grow up and be men rather than scared little boys. I work with gay guys and have no issues, why the hell should they?

    • Tails says:

      12:06pm | 20/05/10

      Personally, I think it’s a shame that gay footballers don’t feel like they can come out in this day and age. Team mates would adapt quickly, but can you imagine a commentator describing him ‘going in hard’, ‘playing well down back’ ‘getting some soft touches’ or ‘holding the ball’ without sniggering to the other blokey buffoons in the commentary box? Unlikely.

    • macca-d says:

      01:37pm | 21/05/10

      Sorry Tails…it’s always funny when they say that stuff (and I don’t care if they’re straight or gay).

      But I wonder if Bruce McAvaney would ever describe a gay footballer as “Delicious”!

    • Tim says:

      12:10pm | 20/05/10

      Jason Akermanis is right,
      The same would probably apply if suddenly there was a female member of the team. Teams are all about unity, difference is never encouraged.

    • Trevor says:

      04:55pm | 20/05/10

      I bet they said that before the first Aboriginal player arrived.

    • Tim says:

      11:29am | 21/05/10

      Yeah but the first Aboriginal player wasn’t likely to be sexually attracted to his teammates either.
      BTW I hate the way some people try to compare gay issues to the issues faced by aboriginals in the past. They’re not even close to being equal.

    • Ish says:

      01:41pm | 21/05/10

      Who’s to say that a gay player is going to be sexually attracted to their team mates? They must be careful of those tickets flying off if they think every woman and gay guy is going to be unable to hold themselves back.

      Also Tim, you might want to check your words carefully before hitting that submit button…

    • Trevor says:

      03:21pm | 21/05/10

      Tim, you talked about unity and how “difference is never encouraged”.  That’s a remark that is equally pertinent to racial, religious, gender and sexuality differences.

      You also might want to think about how the military in this country has managed to handle all these issues.  If anywhere is about unity and fitting together, it’s the military.  But the Australian military now includes openly gay members (as well as racial minorities and women) and the sky hasn’t fallen in.

    • Sick of the media says:

      12:15pm | 20/05/10

      People are either dancing around what they are trying to say or completely missing Jason Akermanis’ point.

      Just question his motives, like Leo has.

    • Confused says:

      12:20pm | 20/05/10

      This morning, Akermanis said this:

      ā€œBut some of my, the homoeroticism around football clubs ... what workplace would you be able to see 20 men nude all the time if you wanted to?

      ā€œWhen you’re slapping blokes on the bum and just having a bit of fun, what would that do to a man in there when you actually work out, `Oh wait a second, wait a second. I don’t know if I can handle that guyā€’.

      OK, so these guys seem to wanna be nude together all the time. Also, slapping blokes on the bum is considered “fun” in footy clubs.  Fair enough, but why should they be worried about guys being gay, when their ethos encourages communal-nude-bum-slapping-fests?

    • andy says:

      12:35pm | 20/05/10

      Keep Homoeroticism Heterosexual!

    • Kate says:

      05:23pm | 21/05/10

      I have to say, I had to giggle when I heard that. I’m pretty sure that Akermanis doesn’t know what homoeroticism actually is. If genuine homoeroticism and men ‘having a bit of fun’ smacking each other on the bum is so common in AFL changerooms then this conversation is completely unneccesary! wink

    • Greg says:

      12:24pm | 20/05/10

      I think it probably best if players keep what they do in thier private time quite.

      Wasnt it Warrick Todd who said

      ’ There is always a fine line betweem horse play and homosexuality and if that line is cross it usually happen on the subcontinent.’

      but seriously you cannot be gay and play football it would the whole idea of mateship and a team. It would be pretty distressing for normal players. If you want to be gay fine, just stay in the closet or wait till you career is over. It best for sport and the team.

    • Tim says:

      12:40pm | 20/05/10

      If you want to be gay? People are just gay, dude, its not a choice, and forcing someone to stay in the closet is going to add a whole lot of pressure to pretend to be someone they’re not to their teammates.

      The person’s in the team because they are good enough to be, so to do anything that might lead to them leaving seems more likely to harm the club than a bit of misplaced discomfort come shower time.

    • Greg says:

      01:00pm | 20/05/10

      @ Tim

      misplaced discomfort?
      So persons feelings or discomfort is misplaced, so if a younger play felt a senior player was pushing him in to a relationship would be misplaced? 

      Its simply wrong and unwise, look we are all trying to hug trees and gay people but there is a line that has to be drawn some where.

      Hey dont get me wrong I all for gayness and alternative life styles but keep it to folk festivals, the arts and left wing loonies.

      you know it make sense

    • Tim says:

      01:51pm | 20/05/10

      ‘The person’s in the team because they are good enough to be”

      This would be true if it was an individual pursuit.
      Team dynamic however is often far more important than the individuals in the team. Break team unity and the team will fail.

    • harry says:

      12:36pm | 20/05/10

      I would suggest that the number of homosexuals in professional football codes would be miniscule, way below the percentage of the general population. From my experience all the blokes at my school we presumed, and subsequently found, to be gay never played any kind of footy, or if they did, didn’t play it past school.

      I suspect it’s the largely aggressive, testosterone-fueled, female-conquesting nature of footy that sees gay men give up footy before they reach anywhere near the professional level.

      Again from my experience, if professional footy club cultures are anywhere near what it was like at school, outing oneself would be the last thing you would want to be doing. It would be a brave move for the gay movement, but personally no doubt you would have to quit the sport.

    • Teejay says:

      01:32pm | 20/05/10

      Why exactly do you tink they didn’t play footy past school? Probably because they felt they would have to repress such a fundamental aspect of their lives…

    • Trevor says:

      05:00pm | 20/05/10

      Oh dear. The stereotype, once again, that gay men are all sissies who don’t do things like play football.

      This is precisely WHY we need more sportsmen to come out. To prove to people like you that gays are in all walks of life and all professions.  Apparently, Ian Roberts and the captain of the Welsh rugby union team aren’t enough to prove to you that gay men can be big, beefy, masculine blokes, so we’ll have to keep working at it.

    • Robert of Rural SA says:

      11:53pm | 20/05/10

      Harry what vacuum did you grow up in? ? The ultimate “macho” man prefers the the company men to the company of women to the point that he excludes women. Just as there are butch & non butch lesbians the same applies to blokes too. The SAS has several gay members & I’m here to tell you that is about as macho as you can get

    • Zeta says:

      12:43pm | 20/05/10

      I was at first too shocked that Akermanis could string a sentence together to really think about what he was even saying. Until I read that article I thought Aker was just the bloke whose head looks like Cadbury’s Top Deck. I was wrong.

      He’s also a complete idiot, and so is anyone who agrees with him.

      In football, conventional notions of gay and straight are pointless. You have to use a Kinsey scale. Someone classified as 0, or totally heterosexual on a Kinsey scale wouldn’t engage in the kind of homoerotic activity football players do. Aker’s ridiculous moustache is creeping pretty close to bisexuality on the sliding scale. Some weekends I don’t know if he’s going to knock a footy around, or produce gay porn in the locker room.

      His discomfort stems from ignorance. Pure and simple, he admits that, which is a start, but it shouldn’t let him inform an opinion. I wish more football players could shake their cognitive dissonance to realise ‘I am actually stupid. I should not share my stupid opinions. Because I play football and can’t read.’

      Straight guys get uncomfortable being nude around gay guys because we’re all arrogant shits that assume, secretly, all gay men really want to have sex with us.

      I don’t think there is a gay man on the planet that would want to have sex with Akermanis. In fact, I’m suprised the gay player didn’t ask for him to put on a towel.

    • Brad says:

      01:24pm | 20/05/10

      Great way to play the ball not the man - re read the article

    • Greek Snake says:

      02:09pm | 20/05/10

      Wow, Zeta is usually spot on with his funny remarks, but this time all I see is bitterness and fail.

      Aker has a point, sexuality has no part in football, play the game and don’t mention sexuality. Wouldn’t you rather be known as a good footballer rather than “that gay footballer”?

      I did find it funny that you, an alleged “big bro”, relates Jason’s hair to Top Deck before anything else… Most straight men would call it a bad hair do.

    • Tim: says:

      02:12pm | 20/05/10

      “His discomfort stems from ignorance. Pure and simple, he admits that, which is a start, but it shouldn’t let him inform an opinion. I wish more football players could shake their cognitive dissonance to realise ā€˜I am actually stupid. I should not share my stupid opinions. Because I play football and can’t read.”

      Ignorance?
      Pot, Kettle, Black Zeta?

      Oh and anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a complete idiot. So there.

    • Sez says:

      02:31pm | 20/05/10

      Well said, Zeta - I couldn’t agree more.  The whole attitude of “I’m not comfortable being nude around a homosexual” is just code for “I think they will hit on me.”

      Talk about people having tickets on themselves.

    • Dan says:

      02:57pm | 20/05/10

      What if we were talking about different genders. Alot of women wouldn’t feel comfortable being nude around a man, and some men wouldn’t feel comfortable being around a woman. You may say that it’s about having tickets on oneself or thinking that all gay men really want to have sex with us, but I think it’s simply about feeling vulnerable in front of someone who is attracted to one’s gender. Irrational? Perhaps, but sexuality is irrational. It’s also personal and I don’t think that Akermanis should be criticised or blamed because he feels uncomfortable being nude around gay people.

    • Sez says:

      03:28pm | 20/05/10

      You raise a good point, Dan.  I just wonder though how much nudity is necessary in the locker rooms.  I mean obviously there are communal showers etc but is it totally out of the question for teams to consider just showering in Speedos? 

      The nudity issue seems to be a big one.  If we remove the nudity, do we remove the “discomfort”?

    • ABC says:

      03:37pm | 20/05/10

      Greek Snake @ 2.09 pm
      “Aker has a point, sexuality has no part in football, play the game and don’t mention sexuality.”

      I disagree. Sexuality has a huge part to play in football.  However, the inference is clearly heterosexual sexuality.  Witness ridiculous things like the “Men of Footy” calenders - whose focus is solely on the virile maniless of those buffed and bronzed blokes - and which are strongly marketed at women.  What about the Brownlow Medal - with the enormous focus on the WAGS that attend - practically trumpets that the pinacle of success is to turn up at the Brownlow with a gorgeous bit of female flesh on your arm.  (Think of all those newspaper articles about players that don’t have dates and have to turn up with their mum - remember when Jimmy Bartels won it and much was made of the fact that he wasn’t dating anyone and didn’t bring a date to the event).

      The fact that an event which is supposed to be about the football, and the best players in the game has metamorphosed into a parade for the female partners of AFL footballers clearly demonstrates that success on the football field must translate into social and sexual success of the hetrosexual kind.  Nothing else is contemplated.  The focus is not on the footballers but on their female partners.

    • Martin G says:

      04:36pm | 20/05/10

      Terribly off the mark this time, Zeta.

      Think you need to read Aker’s article again.

    • Rob says:

      04:36pm | 20/05/10

      You’re clearly putting the cart before the horse here. The fact that there is an issue is regrettable, but how’s this for a concept: Aker is simply telling it like it is. Wow, how shocking.  Want proof? This afternoon another player has spoke in the news and said that a gay team mate would be “weird”. You see, these attitudes are out there and, yes, they need to be changed but attacking Aker for pointing out that these things exist is a knee-jerk reaction of the highest order. Let’s address the real problem here, not lose sight of it.

    • BJ says:

      04:57pm | 20/05/10

      “Aker has a point, sexuality has no part in football, play the game and don’t mention sexuality.”

      That’s complete bullshit, mate. Straight players don’t mind dragging their WAGs around town for the MSM to take photos of and gauge their dress sense. Apparently, according to you, that’s not mentioning sexuality one bit. But if a gay guy brought another bloke to an awards ceremony … well, he’s just foisting his sexuality onto everybody, and that’s just bad.

      Just knowing that a player prefers guys isn’t making the game about sexuality, unless you, the commentariat, make it that way. If a player came out — and we’re talking something as simple as allowing themselves to be seen in public with their partner, not some grand coming-out party with invitations to the press, like you seem to think would happen — and the rest of the public just shrugged their shoulders to let the media know that they don’t care, then it would stop being an issue.

      In other words: stop caring so much. It’s you who is making this an issue and keeping it that way.

    • Betelnut says:

      05:44pm | 20/05/10

      Fair point Dan….

      What if he said he was uncomfortable being nude around black people?  Still comfortable with his attitude??

      Ignorance and irrationality is no defence for prejudice.  A real man would work to overcome his fears, to simply give up reeks of laziness.

    • BJ says:

      06:06pm | 20/05/10

      “You see, these attitudes are out there and, yes, they need to be changed but attacking Aker for pointing out that these things exist is a knee-jerk reaction of the highest order.”

      He didn’t just tell us the way it is, he told gay players to stay in the closet.

      If he’d either stuck to the facts, or better, suggested ways for his teammates to overcome their discomfort, then maybe people would be more understanding. But no, he gave selfish advice to protect his lockerroom antics from being labelled “too gay”.

    • Dan says:

      09:03pm | 20/05/10

      Thanks Sez.

      Yeh,  to be perfectly honest I have no idea why such nudity is required. As you say, why not shower in speedos? It’s interesting to note that one of the things Fevola did upon moving to Brisbane was to insist that the players stop showering in their speedos. Personally, I don’t know what the big deal is with restricting your public nudity. It’s just weird.

    • Dan says:

      09:26pm | 20/05/10

      Betelnut;

      ‘What if he said he was uncomfortable being nude around black people?  Still comfortable with his attitude??’

      Oh, please, that’s absurd! There’s a massive difference between being nude around someone who is sexually attracted to your gender (whether it be male or female) and being nude around a black person. Do you realise that many women would be extremely uncomfortable being nude in front of a man? And that some men would be uncomfortable being in front of a woman? Well, it’s the same thing.

      I have to say, commenst like this really annoy me. Expressing discomfort at being nude in front of a gay man is not homophobic or prejudiced in the least. It is nothing to be ashamed of, and to contrast it to racism is so ignorant it’s not even funny.

      ‘Ignorance and irrationality is no defence for prejudice.’

      Being uncomfortable being nude in front of gay people is not prejudice. Nor does it need a defence. As for being irrational, well again, it does not require a defence.

      You know, if you think it’s prejudice, why don’t you ask a woman if she’ll feel comfortable being nude in front of a man who is not her partner or a family member? Chances are she’ll say no, and there is no difference between that and this. You can’t expect a man to be more comfortable being nude around a gay man than a woman being nude in front of a hetrosexual man, or maybe you’re just prejudiced towards hetrosexual men and a hypocrite.

      ’ A real man would work to overcome his fears,’

      A real man? Who are you to judge what makes a real man?!  Akermanis is just as much of a real man as you believe yourself to be. I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Being uncomfortable being nude in front of a man is NOT homophobic, and it has nothing to do with being a real man or not; plenty of so-called real men would, afterall, feel uncomfortable, and they have no need to work on their fears!

      My god, we are talking about BEING NAKED. Whether you’re naked in front of a gay man or a hetrosexual woman, you are entitled to feel uncomfortable.

      ’ to simply give up reeks of laziness.’ How judgemental are you? So having referred to men who quite naturally feel uncomfortable being nakd in front of gay men as the equivilent of racists, and non-real men, you are now accusing them of being lazy? Right. Well, I guess you live in a world where both genders and all sexualities have absolutely no problem being naked in front of each other.

      You really have no right to judge; whether Akermanis wants to work on his ‘fears’, that’s his choice, and if he chooses not to, maybe he thinks that there is nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable at being nude in front of gay men. You obviously think he’s not a real man or the equivilent of a racist which only goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are, and how intolerant you are of other people’s views!

    • Robert of Rural SA says:

      11:56pm | 20/05/10

      Spot on Zeta! ! ! Maybe he wears the bisexual moe because he thinks he’ll double his chances,

    • Betenut says:

      10:16am | 21/05/10

      @Dan

      So the whole AFL community needs to bend over backwards to be accomodating to Akamanis’ fear of being naked in front of a gay player.  Why does his prejudice take precendence over rights of other players to be upfront about who they are?  To take their partners to the Brownlow?

      Please note that the nakedness that Acker and yourself find uncomfortable, is in no way compulsory.  I would suggest if Acker is uncomfortable being nude around his gay teammates, that is HIS problem, not theirs, and by all mean, if he would like a shower curtain installed, or a pair of speedos, so he can hide his genitals, they should be provided to him.

    • Tim says:

      11:33am | 21/05/10

      Betelnut,
      do you think that transexual men who identify as being women should be able to shower naked in female showers as well?
      I mean it’s everyone else’s problem isn’t it?

    • Dan says:

      03:37am | 22/05/10

      Betenut, I never said that gay players shouldn’t come out or they can’t take their partners to the Brownlow (nobody said that). In fact,


      I simply noted that it is not prejudice to feel uncomfortable being naked in front of gay men. You contrasted it to racism and you talked about real men; all nonsence, and even now you are throwing the word prejudice. It is not prejudice at all to feel uncomfortable being naked in front of a gay man. That is all I was talking about.

      “Please note that the nakedness that Acker and yourself find uncomfortable, is in no way compulsory.  I would suggest if Acker is uncomfortable being nude around his gay teammates, that is HIS problem, not theirs, and by all mean, if he would like a shower curtain installed, or a pair of speedos, so he can hide his genitals, they should be provided to him.”

      Except it is expected. There was Fevola going to Brisbane and getting the players to take off their speedos. So, yes, it is basically compulsory. And it NOT just his problem. The reality is that, for whatever reason (and I don’t understand it myself), players in the AFL shower naked in front of each other. As such, many of them would be uncomfortable being naked in front of a gay man, just as many women and some men would be uncomfortable being naked in front of the opposite sex.

      You obviously don’t know how AFL locker room environments work. But more to the point, when you go to a gym, do you really think that you would be welcomed into the women’s locker room?

    • Tim says:

      12:54pm | 20/05/10

      Look, I think he *thought* he was doing the right thing but I don’t think he’s anywhere near intelligent enough to articulate his argument without basically falling back on gay-panic amongst teammates as a reason to not come out.

      To suggest that someone should be forced to live a lie both on the field and in public, to pretend about girlfriends and conquests, to bring fake dates to functions and to not mention partners when everyone else is talking about theirs, just so Aker can feel more comfortable getting naked in the shower seems incredibly short-sighted and reactionary.

      We probably shouldn’t penalise him for stating what I’m sure the majority of players feel about the issue, but it seems particularly concerning that he’s been given such a public platform from which to state it.

    • TheBigMicka says:

      01:12pm | 20/05/10

      I’m not gay, but I know a few blokes who are, so I’m qualified to comment on this article.

      If I was a gay football player, my biggest fear about coming out would not be my team-mates in the shower.  If I was a gay football player my biggest fear would be Craig Hutchison and the other News Breakers camping outside my house…and the Footy Show boys falling over each other to prove how accepting they are…and every member of the Football news media making comment about me.  And the Brownlow red carpet when they interview my partner about who he’s wearing. 

      Compared to all that, suddenly not getting a slap on the arse would be the least of my problems.

    • Andrew says:

      01:28pm | 20/05/10

      What it’s ok for him to walk around and parade his wife or girlfriend, but if your gay it’s not a good idea? That’s the whole problem! I get sick to death of the only time we see gay people open in public are the feminine flamboyant gays and celebrities, that is why alot of men who are gay don’t want to be associated with these sort of flamboyant gays. More str8 acting gay men should out themselves, we aren’t all big girls blouses.

    • Bewildered says:

      01:36pm | 20/05/10

      In describing the antics that go on within the AFL (and no doubt other sporting codes), Akermanis is essentially describing a “unique” section of society. He’s right, a lot of the behaviours he talks about would not be tolerated/accepted in the workplace. Which begs the question, why is it so acceptable and indeed encouraged within this sphere? This appears to be a point overlooked by other comments. Football codes are plagued with bad publicity due to the bad behaviour of its players, surely the culture of the clubs must play a part in this. Instead of insisting that gay players stay closeted, would it not be more helpful to first closely examine the potential consequences of the heterosexual’s “homoerotic” behaviours? I’m not saying everyone has to cover up in the change rooms - they’re all adults for god sake, but it makes you wonder, why do these members of society behave so differently to the majority?

    • Tim says:

      03:33pm | 20/05/10

      Because that’s what wins footy matches obviously.

      Look,
      you can have a love in with all the gays and minorities you want and be all accepting of differences but it won’t win you a grand final, plain and simple.

    • iansand says:

      01:41pm | 20/05/10

      So a gay footballer should not come out because it would make Mr Akermanis uncomfortable.  Arrogant, self-absorbed twit.

    • Dan says:

      03:04pm | 20/05/10

      Uh, it’s an opinion piece in which he was talking about how he felt and explaining why he doesn’t think that gay players should come out. You may as well call all people who write opinion pieces ‘arrogant, self-absorbed twits.’

    • iansand says:

      04:16pm | 20/05/10

      Most of them are.

    • Lauren says:

      02:17pm | 20/05/10

      Aker has a point.

      Imagine coming out and being invited as a guest panelest on The Footy Show and being stared down by Sam, Garry and Billy Brownless whilst they toss jokes at JB and Crawf for being ‘poofters’.

      And that’s just on TV - we don’t know what goes on in the changing rooms, or on the field when microphones are not around.

      I agree with Aker, good luck to them if they want to make it public, but it will be one hell of a fight.

    • Morgan says:

      02:40pm | 20/05/10

      I played rugby union for a gay rugby team in brisabane. An openly gay team that every player was gay. Not once did we ever get discriminated by opposition teams or administrators. This was a lower level comp full of bogans from a wide variety of working class suburbs and there wasnt one bit of discrimination.

      If this can occur in a lower level rugby union comp I think the professionalism of the AFL can handle a few gay players.

    • Chris says:

      02:41pm | 20/05/10

      What has being gay got to do with being a good footballer? It’s about time guy’s like Akers woke up and lived in today’s society. I’m sure Joe public doesn’t care if the guy is gay, the only care is if he scores goals or not.  Akers should think the same way.

      Yes Akers, a good solid team environment creates harmony and returns
      in the form of winning games. But if the team can’t focus on the important things like who is fit and happy in the team environment then how can the team be harmonious? I’m sure Akers just created a bigger inharmonious environment in his team. 

      If the gay guy slaps you on the arse in the shower you tell him to go away and focus on football. If he does it again you get him sacked because he is not focused on his job. Why shouldn’t Akers now get the same warning for not thinking football and creating a bad environment?

      The coach needs to pull Akers aside and tell him not to think about anything anything but the core mission of the team? Which clearly is to win games.  Akers you’ve lost focus and you need a clip around the ears!

    • Parra Baz says:

      02:46pm | 20/05/10

      Akermanis is wrong about one thing: There is no way a homosexual AFL player coming out of the closet would make “international news”. I have little doubt there are scores of gay men playing in the AFL, but the cheap shot nature of the sport means that they’d be instant targets. In Rugby League, a real man’s game, you’d have to take a bloke like Ian Roberts head on and face the physical consequences.

    • Kate says:

      02:47pm | 20/05/10

      A men’s issue! Quick some one tell Eric!

    • Greek Snake says:

      05:31pm | 20/05/10

      @Kate: Very nice! I lol’d.

    • BTS says:

      08:25pm | 20/05/10

      Not sure it’s 100% a ‘men’s issue’, if you get my drift…

    • acker says:

      02:49pm | 20/05/10

      Aker is speaking like a man under the pump (not the penis pump) ..a small forward in a team wherewho the Full Back Brian Lake had kicked 3 times as many goals as him for the year….I think aka aker is pumping up his media career as his football back end is near.

    • AJ says:

      02:50pm | 20/05/10

      Great article.

      I hope that if an AFL player ever does “come out” (whether publically through a big “media” announcement or privately simply by being open with his team mates), then they prove Akermanis very wrong.

    • JRM says:

      03:00pm | 20/05/10

      Aker - ordinary player now - who cannot get a headline any other way.

    • BTS says:

      08:28pm | 20/05/10

      ...and still the best ambidextrous footballer player there has ever been, according to Leigh Matthews.

    • iReporter says:

      03:02pm | 20/05/10

      I am not gay,
      but i believe in freedom for human kind.
      if a player wants to come out.,he can why not !

    • Ken says:

      03:11pm | 20/05/10

      The only people in my opinion who have a problem with people being openly gay are people who have an insecurity about their own sexuality.

    • Vicki PS says:

      03:12pm | 20/05/10

      I’m struggling to understand Akermanis’ logic.  To be fair, I haven’t read the article, but as I understand his argument, he believes it would discomfit straight team members and inhibit homoerotic locker-room hijinks if gay team members were out?  Wierd.

      The ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ position sounds all very fine, but something tells me that the self-proclaimed straight players aren’t going to stop talking about their heterosexual activities in vivid detail.  After all, I imagine that’s the only way they have to explain away the warm tingly feeling they get after all that masculine bum-fondling.

      Maybe less emphasis on dirty little boy horseplay might carry over to less offensive and assaultive behaviour to females when in public?

    • Arnold Layne says:

      03:22pm | 20/05/10

      The article was clumsily worded but I understand what Aker was trying to say.  I don’t necessarily agree with him but at least he’s raising it rather than leaving it as the elephant in the room.  I read a piece about Gareth Thomas when he was discussing how uncomfortable it all was after he came out until one of his team mates (an Aussie - I can’t remember who) sat down with him at a pub and said something really direct like “So, how’s it going being gay and a football player?”  Thomas was relieved to be able to just talk about it openly and things improved markedly afterwards.

      A lot of these blokes would have had very little, if any, (ahem) exposure to people of different sexual preference, and probably lived within a fairly homogenous culture generally, so perhaps cutting them a break and explaining to them what it’s all about, why a shower after footy is just a shower after footy and giving them answers to other questions that they might have is a step in the right direction. 

      Footy players get criticised for giving banal, predictable comments and responses to interview questions, so people like Aker should be encouraged to continue to confront social issues and generate reasonsed debate.  His column would have attracted far less attention had it been a typical piece about who they were playing this week and what they had to do to win.

    • Steely Dan says:

      03:42pm | 20/05/10

      Some mates of mine went on a trip to Vancouver a few years back, and went looking for a beer once they landed.  They went into a quiet-looking bar that had AFL on the TV, so they figured they’d have a cold one and watch a game. Once they’d sat down they realised it was a replay from the 80s, Capper was playing.  A grand final or ‘classic match’ on a cable sports channel maybe? Nope, just a regular season fixture - on a VHS tape. They were in a gay bar. Evidently the local Canadian gay community appreciated the short shorts and bum-slapping for all its semi-concealed homoeroticism.

      The sooner the AFL gets over its homophobia and all gay players can be out and proud, the sooner they’ll have gay guys the world over pouring money into the club’s coffers - they can get even more enjoyment out of a game than I can!

    • Sickemrex says:

      03:43pm | 20/05/10

      This issue is a big contrast to women’s sport.  The “team unity” argument holds no water to me, having played numerous team sports up to rep level.  The best team I played in was a rugby team with roughly equal numbers of straight and gay players.  I’ve never been “hit on” on the field or at training and the occasional attempts girls have made socially can be easily laughed off.  Or is that just because I’m secure in my herterosexuality?

      The only common ground I can see is that in junior sport it was a bit confronting at times getting used to the gay girls especially if they got a bit touchy but surely grown men are more mature than a bunch of schoolgirls?

    • Chase says:

      03:46pm | 20/05/10

      Haha they do Homoerotic things in the locker room and he is uncomfortable with Gay people? How stupid.

      If people come out good on them, all the more power to them.

      May we hear the resounding snap of Homophobia’s back soon.

    • Rebecca says:

      04:07pm | 20/05/10

      Why on earth do we listen to what these meatheads have to say? We pay them to kick a footy, not offer opinions.  and LOL at this being “international news” should someone come out. Who will really give a shit outside Australia?

    • Kosta says:

      04:13pm | 20/05/10

      Our gym locker rooms all around Australia would pretty empty if we banned all the gays.  I bet some guys are also deluded to think that they are god’s gift of which every gay man would find it soooooooo irresistibly hard to not have a bit of a perv or grope.

    • Moose says:

      04:22pm | 20/05/10

      What you all seem to be forgetting is that this kind of decision has far further reaching implications than just a team level. If a player to publically ‘out’ themselves, it would not only effect his direct team mates (possibly a house mate), the whole playing group, the officials, board room and even the spectators. An AFL crowd can be a pretty vile area at the best of times and to just give them something to hang onto and use a fodder, what kind of statement does that make? And the media wouldn’t be able to let it go - thus spreading the impact.

      Everyone is drawing attention to other public figures who played sport at a high level and are now out: Daniel Kowolski, Ian Roberts and Matthew Mitcham - with the exception of ‘Openly Gay Diver, Matthew Mitcham’ (Poor boy will never be known as anything else), they all came out after retirement, Kowalski himself admits this was to avoid vilification.

      Yes, it would make a great statement for the gay movement, and what’s not to say that players are in fact out at club level, it’s just being kept in-house? However the fishbowl environment of AFL football does not lend kindly to having a gay footballer who is active in the sport at this level and it has nothing to do with acceptance.

    • Coxy says:

      07:39pm | 20/05/10

      I am by no means homophobic, and when I saw Aker on Today this morning I cringed, thinking just shutup Aker. But seeing as how it has been the topic of the day on radio etc., I’ve had time to think a bit more about it. As a former footballer (not AFL standard) a gay bloke would change the dynamic of the team. I can just see blokes putting there bums to wall while getting changed, and wearing their jocks in the shower when the said ‘gay player’ was around. I know that this is immature and that a gay bloke isn’t going to try and jump you just because your naked, but unfortunately that’s how some people think, particularly 20 something year old footballers and that’s just a fact. Therefore, I think that Aker’s probably right, maybe they should just keep their sexuality to themselves.

    • Stefano says:

      07:40pm | 20/05/10

      Rather a gay team mate than a straight Hopoate.

    • Coxy says:

      07:40pm | 20/05/10

      I forgot to add, its nobody’s business anyway.

    • dean says:

      08:25pm | 20/05/10

      Well I guess David Campbell won’t be playing AFL any time soon.

    • BTS says:

      08:30pm | 20/05/10

      For those pushing the building his media career line, Aker must be closing in on ten years of front line media presentation in both television and print, so he hardly needs to build that up.

    • Sean says:

      09:00pm | 20/05/10

      I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out already, but there’s a mistake in the article, Roberts was not retired but still playing when he came out.

    • Rich says:

      09:02pm | 20/05/10

      Who cares if they are gay or not. Why do gays assume that their sexuality is an important issue when being dealt with. It’s as if every interaction I have with a person is about an end sexual experience, and not knowing their sexuality puts me at a disadvantage. Who cares?

      Go about your business and stop creating dramas.If you feel you are defined by your sexuality,  then I suggest you are not worth dealing with in the first place.

      So sick of this gay issue, it annoys me nearly as much as the modern day feminazi (not the old womens lib that was ok) . I can’t go anywhere at Sydney Uni without there being a gay issues poster plauqered on every bus stall, window and wall. The amount of money these lobbyists have is utterly amazing. I’m sure they are the same people posting the communism posters.

    • The Big Kahuna says:

      04:09pm | 08/06/10

      Not sure if you noticed Rich, but AKER raised the issue in HIS article. Maybe he saw those same posters at Sydney Uni and was so upset, like your good self, and decided he had to write the article?

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:48pm | 20/05/10

      Acker’s a tosser, but most footy heads are. And like it or not, they more or less share his views. Sure, the CEO and coaches will say otherwise, but that’s just to keep everything PC.

      Team mates might stick by the player, but what about opposition numbers? What about the crowds? We might say that we live in an accepting society but what’s said on a field is a completely different story as we have read in recent months. If these comments were said by a player with some respectability, I think they would be taken a bit better.

    • BTS says:

      05:32am | 21/05/10

      Interesting that yesterday Jason Akermanis is roundly condemned for advising that their might be a reaction to someone ‘coming out’ and the very same media has stalked David Campbell and proven Aker’s advice is completely accurate.

    • Quina Quan says:

      07:31am | 21/05/10

      Two words: David. Campbell.

    • Bill says:

      10:00am | 21/05/10

      I’m a straight guy on a gay rugby team. (http://www.sydneyconvicts.org)

      It did take some getting used to, but the guys on my team are just guys who like rugby first and foremost.  I would defy anyone to pick out the gay guys from the straight guys on my team.  I’ve never felt uncomfortable, though when meeting new players and supporters I have periodically had to “come out” as straight which is always good for a laugh.  As for the other teams, I’ve only once heard an anti gay slur on the field.  (Ironically, it was directed at me.)

      Homosexuality in sport sounds like a big deal but I can assure Aker that people (including footy players) get used to this sort of thing pretty quickly.

    • Trevor says:

      03:27pm | 21/05/10

      Thanks for your input Bill.  You’re probably one of those rare straight people who actually understand the whole ‘coming out’ issue and why we ever have to do it in the first place.

      And you understand that half the point of this is to prove that, on the field, gay footy players are exactly the same as straight ones!

    • Robert Smissen rural SA says:

      01:28pm | 21/05/10

      Acker mate, look in the mirror, any bloke who uses that much product in his? hair MUST be suss, no? Well then don’t judge people.

    • Baghern says:

      01:59pm | 21/05/10

      Its all about short term pain for long term gain.  Of course, we’d all be uncomfortable about it in the beginning.  In the long term, we’ll all adjust, “chill out”.  The only problem is who is going to be the martyr as thats what he will be, his life will be screwed, his sponsorship will suddenly disappear.  It needs to be done, if we’re to broaden our horizons.  Look at gay’s on TV, Ellen Degen… whatever, virtually disappear from public view after she came out.  She paved the way, but gained nothing from it.  Her talk show, is more about her personal perseverance than being gay.

    • Lorraine says:

      03:56pm | 21/05/10

      Does it matter if a guy is gay ? Surely it is about whether he can play football or not?
      What’s this homoerotic stuff… a brief description will do… are we footy spectators missing something?

    • Liz says:

      09:01pm | 21/05/10

      Ian Roberts is a hero and a legend.  All this debate at present seems to revolve around the idea that gay guys should stay in the closet because the straight guys are prejudiced.  Surely, in this day and age, there must be some sort of 10-step education program on the net or simple Q&A session the footballers can do to dispel their prejudices and become more comfortable with gay associates?

    • Luke says:

      11:34am | 23/05/10

      Why does this have to be a discrimination issue?  Women might not feel comfortable sharing a locker room with men, does that mean that men are discriminated against? And vice versa? It’s natural for people to want some kind of privacy from those that might feel sexually attracted to them, from those who they perceive may look at them inappropriately, it’s completely NORMAL.  If a gay man cannot hack that that he might be making others uncomfortable, stay in the closet, simple.  It’s hardly a homophobia issue.  Geez, stop acting so precious.

 

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They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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