Kat Armstrong was a heroin addict, disowned by her only daughter and serving a prison sentence of ten years.

Not everything is solved behind bars. Photo: Herald Sun

Vulnerable to relapse, with no support, no money, no home and no skills, her biggest challenge was returning to the real world.

Clean for eight years, reunited with her daughter and mentoring other women inmates all over NSW, Armstrong’s journey is exceptional. The fact that she’s still alive is amazing.

Of the 50, 000 released between 2007-8, 450 died within five years of release; according to a new report by the Australian Medical Journal.

The AMJ says drug overdoses account for half this figure - but what happens to the other 30,000 inmates who are released each year? Or the 40 per cent of inmates who stay alive but return to their gaol cell within two years?

The answer comes from conditions inside; our prisons are in crisis. Mental health issues are rife and repeat offenders are commonplace.

In the ten years that Kat Armstrong spent incarcerated she claims inmate mental health, including her own, took a massive turn for the worse.

Inmates had “no trouble” getting access to methadone and other serotonin-inducing psychiatric medications to treat their drug and alcohol dependency; that also made them “zombie-like” and easier to control.

But Armstrong’s mental health problems were frequently misdiagnosed.

Large doses of the wrong kind of meds left her feeling unbalanced and paranoid, less able to communicate and do any of the work that was assigned to her.

She was not alone. At a recent meeting of the Crime and Justice Reform Committee in Sydney, Eileen Baldry, Professor of Criminology at the University of New South Wales, said the Australian prison population are “massively mentally unwell.”

The latest NSW inmate mental health survey showed between 60 and 70 per cent of men and women inmates suffered from alcohol or drug dependence; and between 40 and 60 per cent had been treated for a psychological problem within the last 12 months.

Women are at a higher risk of suffering “from everything in prison”, according to Baldry.

Of the 80 per cent serving time, usually as a result of alcohol and drug dependency, the same number are suffering from a mental health disorder - predominately a mix of anxiety and depression.

Comprehensive international research shows these issues in prison life are widespread and bound to get worse. 

An American study conducted between 1960 and 2000 found that even though beds in psychiatric wards were going down, mental health lock ups were steadily increasing.

They also show repeat offenders are on the rise. 

Armstrong says most inmates she now speaks to hate gaol, but the stability it offers, in comparison to their “normal” lives, makes re-offending a risk worth taking.

Professor Baldry agrees. With almost all of their convictions falling into the “low level crimes” bracket, she says many women cycle through prison, three to four months at a time.

Prison might seen an easier solution for offenders with mental health issues that make them “harder to deal with”. But locking them up, time and time again, without adequate treatment is no positive long-term solution.

Rising rates of recidivism in the United Kingdom drove a 2004 parliamentary enquiry into the rehabilitation of prisoners.

Its key findings praised German and Swedish penal programs that aim to provide prisoners with the best chance of “re-socialisation” and “damage reduction” – that included finding accommodation and work on return to the outside world.

To say finding a solution to this problem is complicated would be a gross understatement but finding alternatives to the current system is imperative.

Since 2006 the NSW state government has spent about $100 million creating alternative facilities for prisoners.

But the three new facilities, including a high-security mental health facility as distinct from a prison at Long Bay Correctional Complex, are limited in their reach.

Consistency, better communication and a focus on long-term care seems a good place to start.

Kat Armstrong says mentoring can be successful; her own life was “transformed” by her two mentors, one of whom was an ex-prison inmate.

She now spends several hours a fortnight visiting five female inmates; talking about their families, their kids, their problems inside prison, their mental health and helping them get access to social services on the outside.

“Sometimes having that person there helps you realise that you can survive too. It’s good guidance,” she said.

Treating people as humans has also been known to prove effective.

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    • atthepub says:

      06:12am | 21/07/11

      Sounds like we gotta do better doesn’t it Lucy? I read an article the other day on very effective equine therapy for prisoners. I’ll find the link.

    • atthepub says:

      10:15am | 21/07/11

      Wild horses are given over to some prisons so the prisoners can train and gentle them to get them ready to be adopted out. They discover that respect, gentleness, mindfulness, compassion and kindness go a lot farther than brutality, dominance and force. These programs are so successful as to have become the single most effective form of rehabilitation for the penal system today.

      http://www.wayofthehorse.org/Essays/equine-fac-learning.html 

      Also see from the Australian Journal of Counseling Psychology A review of Equine Assisted Psychotherapy,) found clinically significant improvement in 82% of youth taking part in Equine-Assisted Family Therapy.  An average of five sessions produced improvement in areas of conduct, mood and psychotic disorders, after years of conventional methods of therapy had failed to have an impact.

      http://www.equineconnection.ca/uploads/New_age_or_old_sage_A_review_of_equine_assisted_psychotherapy.pdf

    • Bron says:

      11:11am | 21/07/11

      I think the very title of this article indicates Lucy is not against punishing people for breaking the law, but is looking to actually HELP people who may not be able to help themselves in the long-term.  Of course there are legitimate sociopaths who cannot ever be released back into society, but surely this is a very low percentage of prisoners.
      Whilst the highlighted issues in this article might not be gender specific, I for one found it interesting to hear about the facts relating to women in particular.

    • darragh scully says:

      01:42pm | 21/07/11

      Though think about it. If you want the tax rates to go down you have support programs that can achieve that. For example, cops and prison officers get attacked by irate prisoners, go on strike and demand a pay rise. They have to live somewhere so if you treat them badly its like kicking a dog and then expecting it not to bite you eventually and then calling the rangers to put the poor abused animal down. You probably cant relate to that though as to you they vermin, criminals and not the same as you. 

      But if it makes you feel safe you will vote for it even though it doesnt work and you get sucked in by Popular Politics. It doesnt help the future victims one of which may infact be you. Judging by the Dark Figure of crime though its alot worse than the media have time to report, then the police have resources to deal with. So just like religion, its all bullshit and just like the monarchy, its all bullshit. Some people just enjoy swimming in more than others.

    • Chris L says:

      11:43pm | 21/07/11

      I never heard of this “equine therapy” before (or working with dogs) but now that you mention it, it sounds like a truly brilliant idea. I have little experience with dogs, but enough to have learned an unreserved sense of respect for them, and this has affected my out look on other aspects of life. I hope this process works out for both society and the prisoners.

    • Erick says:

      06:13am | 21/07/11

      ‘Women are at a higher risk of suffering “from everything in prison”, according to Baldry.’

      Men are at a higher risk of being in prison in the first place. Ten times higher, in fact. But somehow that doesn’t get mentioned.

      ‘With almost all of their convictions falling into the “low level crimes” bracket, she says many women cycle through prison, three to four months at a time.’

      Again, it’s all about the women. What about the over 90% of inmates who are men? They are invisible. Nobody cares about men.

      ‘Treating people as humans has also been known to prove effective.’

      It would be nice if men were recognised as human. But it’s always all about the women.

    • malohi says:

      09:08am | 21/07/11

      Painting the prisoner as the victim. Junkie filth, you don’t get locked up for being a junkie, it is not against the law.
      It is the massive amount of drug related crime against REAL victims that causes these people to be locked up. Locked up to punish and to keep society safe, not just for rehab, remember?
      Oh, did you say women prisoners?, disregard that, how can we nurture these flowers so that society does not force such an awful life on them. What a terrible life they must have had.

    • Ss says:

      09:28am | 21/07/11

      So now we must feel sorry for prisoners, how about they take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming the conditions of their punishment. these people are scum, they did the crimes now they wear the punishment. I know people that have been to prison, they get their own rooms with tv’s, cd players and an almost unlimited supply of the things they need, they even have shops and veding machines in prison!!

      Really, do you expect the law abiding tax slaves to feel sorry for the moocher and the violent crims.

    • Budz says:

      09:30am | 21/07/11

      For some reason the general population find it easier to empathise with a woman in plight compared to a man.
      Probably because they are always seen as the victim, even if they are in jail.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      10:16am | 21/07/11

      Feeling sorry for people achieves nothing Ss.  We need to start seeing inmates as part of our community; a part that needs to be changed, and a part that as the facts show, need serious help. The end goal is for crime to be stopped long term and the people responsible given help to change their behaviors. Without changes, the cycle will continue.

    • Dave says:

      10:27am | 21/07/11

      @ Lucy - your bleeding heart attitude scores you no respect here. Sure, inmates are part of the community - the incarcerated part. That’s where they belong.

      Perhaps we should all gather round and give a big group hug to all the poor, misunderstood murderers and rapists.

      If you’re so concerned for the welfare of these convicted criminals, then I’m sure you’d be more than happy to take one into your own home when they are paroled. And leave them alone, unsupervised while you’re out….

    • andye says:

      10:42am | 21/07/11

      @Erick - WAHH! Why doesnt this article about women in prison talk about men? SEXISM! SEXISM!

      If you want to raise awareness about men in prison, why dont you do that instead of moaning and griping that an article about A isnt in fact an article about B? Probably because that wouldnt allow you to whine and complain that someone is oppressing because someone wrote an article about women. In fact I doubt you care much about the topic except as an excuse to complain about one of your pet topics.

    • Erick says:

      11:23am | 21/07/11

      @Andye - This article doesn’t purport to be abot “women in prison”. Neither the title nor the category tags include the word “women”.

      It’s an article about mental illness and prisons. This is a worthy topic, just like famine in Somalia. However, just like yesterday’s topic, the article is completely blind to one group - men.

      How can a story about prisoners exclude any mention of over 90% of its subjects? It’s because our society simply disregards the problems of men, while exaggerating those of women.

      This attitude needs to change. Instead of criticising equality, maybe you should join me in working towards promoting it.

    • mike j says:

      12:10pm | 21/07/11

      “Again, it’s all about the women.”

      That was the first thing I noticed about this article, too.

      It takes special talent to write on subject matter that primarily affects men, and yet make it all about women.

      Talent that is in no short supply at The Punch.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      01:17pm | 21/07/11

      What a surpise. I just knew you were going to post this.

      You’ve written as article for the Punch before. Why don’t you start submitting articles about your pet topics instead of whinging about how the articles don’t cater to you?

    • Tara says:

      01:28pm | 21/07/11

      I know, why don’t they send them all to an island far away so they don’t have to deal with any of the problems that criminals cause….....
      Can you people ever see an article for what it is? Why is everything always ALL ABOUT YOU and your feelings/ideals/moral indignity?
      Get a fraking life why don’t you. Whingers…..

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      01:43pm | 21/07/11

      Dave i disagree that I’m a bleeding heart. I don’t sympathise with people who hurt others etc, but everyone deserves a chance at living a better life. Helping people inside prisons is actually a win for the community as a whole because it could significantly reduce the number of crimes committed in the first place.

    • andye says:

      01:45pm | 21/07/11

      @Erick - Much of the article is general, but yes the example cited is a womans story and it talks about the differences between men and women. You seemed to take offence at: “Women are at a higher risk of suffering “from everything in prison”. Do you find this to be untrue? Or do you feel the author is obligated to talk about how many men there are in prison if they talk about a problem women face in prison?

      Sounds a hell of a lot like Political Correctness to me.

      Also, does it work both ways? Should any article that mentions how many men there are in prison also balance it out by talking about the problems women face in prison? Is that a requirement of the perfect balance you appear to demand in every article? Maybe you can provide a list of subjects which MUST be mentioned in an article like this so you dont feel it is unfairly failing to mention whatever the hell it is you think the author should have.

    • Ss says:

      01:47pm | 21/07/11

      Lucy I can’t agree, I have been robbed several times, my house broken into, my car stolen… I have been attacked on the street by these people who see something they want and just take it. when they are caught they are all apologetic and self reflective and then they get out of prison (or just plain get away with it) and they are out there doing the same thing.
      It is not a matter of understanding, they are criminals… you can’t listen to their words and pleas because it is a farce, and left to their own devices they will commit again because there are no real consequences. my life would be so much easier if I could just break into your house and take what I wanted to provide for myself, I am in my late 20’s and very well built, I could punch you out in the street and take everything you have with ease but I refrain, I am a proud member of this community and I realise that like me, you work hard for what you have and I have no right to take it from you.

      I don’t feel sorry for prisoners, they are not mantally challenged, they just don’t care. I would call for harsher penalties, less rights and certainly less luxuries in prison.

    • Sceptic says:

      01:54pm | 21/07/11

      @Lucy

      Why didn’t you discuss the issues relating to male prisoners then, since they make up the majority of the population?

    • Budz says:

      02:42pm | 21/07/11

      Dave, i think you need to empathise with everyone. Because if you can’t walk in their shoes and see why they did what they did, how can you ever try and prevent that type of behaviour?

    • mike j says:

      02:42pm | 21/07/11

      “Helping people inside prisons is actually a win for the community”

      I agree with you, Lucy. But why, oh WHY, does every article on this site have to be couched in terms of how it affects women? If this question sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the one that Erick asks every week. It’s the question implied in the OP of this thread (that you have conveniently overlooked in your haste to answer the easier ones).

      I am truly baffled by this. Gender isn’t even relevant to this article. Is there a policy of manufacturing feminist outrage at The Punch, or does this bias just reflect a lack of professionalism?

    • Lorraine says:

      11:26pm | 21/07/11

      Ohh! Eric. This is an old,old oft repeated tale. Men or women does it matter, they need help not gaol. I think you are human even if a tad misguided.

    • Rebecca says:

      03:30am | 22/07/11

      Hey Erick, did you consider that men are “at a higher risk of being in prison” because men commit more crime than women?

      That’s not sexist, it’s a statistic.

    • Ghost says:

      07:17am | 22/07/11

      Astounding observation there Rebecca.  Yet the article manages to completely ignore 90% of the actual problem, in order to promote a sexist agenda.

    • Sceptic says:

      06:56am | 21/07/11

      Did the criminals treat their victims as humans?

    • Seanr says:

      08:02am | 21/07/11

      Took the words right out of my mouth Sceptic.

    • Bitten says:

      09:11am | 21/07/11

      Ouch. There it is.

    • The Rock says:

      09:25am | 21/07/11

      We’re going to let them out. We need to do better at reforming them or we’re just creating the potential for more victims.

      I don’t think revenge is a good trade off for more crime.

    • Sceptic says:

      11:00am | 21/07/11

      What if they don’t want to change, don’t want to be rehabilitated?

    • The Rock says:

      11:40am | 21/07/11

      What if they do?

      Of course recidivism should be calculated in any future sentences.

      But there’s no point letting them out if we’re not going to try to break the cycle.

    • Sceptic says:

      12:17pm | 21/07/11

      All criminal prisoners must undertake rehabilitation programs.

    • Lee says:

      01:43pm | 21/07/11

      You don’t normally get thrown in gaol for the first offence unless it is really bad. Most of the people are not first time offenders they have been given chances time and time again, (and so you don’t feel left out Erick, that includes men). I’ve had crims tell me they prefer the life in gaol to the outside, they get fed, clothed, shelter, still get drugs and don’t have any responsibility. How do you change that attitude???
      Did anyone else notice that most of these people are junkies. A junkie will do anything for money, they have lied cheated, stole and in some cases used violence to get what they want. Through their behaviour they have destroyed families and failed to take adequate care of their children (you cannot when your biggest priority is your next fix. They are not a victim they are a victim maker. Well instead of medicating them get them clean. What person wants to employ a junkie

    • Budz says:

      02:37pm | 21/07/11

      Lee, i think it’s about getting them clean of drugs, so they can aspire to do more with their lives.

    • The Rock says:

      03:35pm | 21/07/11

      “How do you change that attitude???”

      That’s got to be a large part of a good rehabilitation programme. No only get them clean and an developing good skills for coping with temptation etc. but also to give them some direction.

      There’s no point dropping someone back on the streets with no money, prospects, skills or support.

    • Sceptic says:

      04:54pm | 21/07/11

      @ Rock

      Again, you have to understand the criminal mindset, most repeat offenders don’t care to be rehabilitated.

    • The Rock says:

      08:31pm | 21/07/11

      If that were true we wouldn’t let them out.

      I agree though that criminals not genuinely taking on board opportunities for rehabilitation should find it much harder to find their way back into society.

    • Criminologist says:

      06:58am | 21/07/11

      I am not surprised inmates have a high level of mental instability.  That’s why they are there in the first place.

    • Joan says:

      07:38am | 21/07/11

      `Treating people as humans has also been known to prove effective` Druggies could learn from that. The ones that end up in jail are pretty nasty in their relationship with others that includes their immediate family. Druggies behaviour is totally anti-social, imagine spending eight hours a day out-numbered by this negative,  destructive, self absorbed group. .Most health professionals start out idealistic , short time later find it is all turned around as they realise most prisoners/druggies don’t want their help in changing how they behave or metal attitude. Jails are so bad because people within don’t respect each other, they didn’t before and not interested in change. Who said life on the outside is easy for anyone?- life is what you make it. Jail is no Club Med and not meant to be.

    • Austin 3:16 says:

      06:01pm | 24/07/11

      Maybe the drugs are the problem not the person?

    • Tron says:

      07:54am | 21/07/11

      Two words to describe any of this “Natural Selection”

      Dont end up in jail and all this bad stuff wont happen to you

    • Budz says:

      09:28am | 21/07/11

      It’s not really natural selection if these people end up procreating. The loop then just continues.

    • Lloyd says:

      11:24am | 21/07/11

      what a stupid comment. You’ve never made a mistake? Lot of judgmental people on here, sitting in their holier than thou boxes of privlege. How the hell do you know what has brought people to these places? Maybe they were abused, or have mental illness or a myriad of reasons. Step down, high and mighty.

    • Markus says:

      12:07pm | 21/07/11

      Lloyd if you seriously classify repeated arrest and conviction for “low level crimes” such as assault, theft and armed robbery as simply making a mistake, then it is you with the warped judgement, not us.

      “How the hell do you know what has brought people to these places?”  Because they got there the same way every convicted criminal did:
      1. Knowingly break the law
      2. Caught, arrested, tried, convicted
      3. Served sentence, released
      4. Go to 1

      “Maybe they were abused, or have mental illness or a myriad of reasons” So which reason, or combination of reasons, do you consider an acceptable excuse for knowingly assaulting or robbing someone?

    • Tron says:

      01:09pm | 21/07/11

      Lol yes i have made many many many mistakes before, thats called being human, but the mistakes these people make arent normal because if you went to jail for making a mistake we would all be in there. Plus your assuming that everyone that is in jail is there because they made a mistake not a concious decision?

      “Yes your honour I took a loaded gun and shoved it in that bank tellers face, but after i was caught by the police i realised i made a mistake and it was wrong :(”

      How did that sound?

    • Justin says:

      03:37pm | 21/07/11

      You do realise the penal system is meant to be about rehabilitation and not punishment? No one is saying there is an acceptable excuse for criminal behaviour. What we are saying is turning their life around is a worthwhile ambition, cause they will get out, and when they do, having a productive, tax paying, responsible member of society is better than one who returns to criminal behaviour and costs the taxpayer further money.

      Why is it you don’t think any of these people deserve any assistance to become a better person upon release? You right them off as worthless scum, undeserving of any efforts to help them better themselves, only to complain when they don’t better themselves.

      I can see why people get angry with conservatives, the conservative lock them up until they die ideology is even more flawed than the fluffy bunnies hold hands and sing around the campfire leftist ideology. The problem is, despite evidence to the contrary, the conservatives still believe that harsher punishments for current offenders will deter future offenders. That’s just simply untrue.

    • progressivesunite says:

      08:05am | 21/07/11

      This is an important issue. We’ve had successive governments falling over themselves to prove they’re “tough on crime” and you end up with individuals with mental health and other issues pushed into the prison system when they should probably be diverted elsewhere.

      If more money was spent on youth mental health and intervention programs, we might see fewer people committing crimes in the first place. Of course there will always be serious crimes and dangerous criminals, but I think we could bring down the numbers.

      Another note about people in juvenile detention - they have higher levels of physical and sexual abuse in their backgrounds (a huge % of girls in detention have been pregnant before the age of 15, or had unwanted sex for eg) than the rest of the population - it stands to reason that many of these young people - already damaged - end up feeding into the adult prison system.

    • Fiddler says:

      09:20am | 21/07/11

      PU, the thing you seem to not understand (because you are a lefty and hence an idiot) is that you don’t go to gaol because of bad luck, you go because you have done something really wrong. The governments may sell tough on crime to get elected but all they do is introduce higher maximum sentences. This is not tough on crime because they never get implemented. No-one gets the maximum penalty, except a small number of murderers.
      As for juvenile detention, I deal with this a lot. Kids do not end up in there because they come from a bad home, they end up there because they commit horrific acts and are unable to be helped in the community. In NSW the Greens complain that we have 300 juveniles in custody at any one time. Out of a state of nearly 8 million that indicates we don’t have nearly enough.

    • Bev says:

      09:23am | 21/07/11

      Agree with what you say however studies show that children from broken/single parent families are most likely to be mal adjusted. Whose policies have caused a dramatic increase in broken/single parent families may I ask? Wouldn’t by any chance be social engineers and feminists?

    • Conservatives Unite! says:

      09:25am | 21/07/11

      PU, you’re obviously from NSW. In Victoria, our criminal justice settings are softer than NSW and diversion is common. A lot of these debates take place in the abtract. We don’t have to choose between ‘soft’ and ‘tough’ approaches: we can do both, depending on the offence and other circumstances.

      Judges and other actors in the system have been too slow to respond to the public’s increasing intolerance of violent crime. Having said that, most people also support diversion in cases where offenders pose little risk to the community and have good prospects for rehabilitation. The mix shouldn’t be as hard to get right as it seems to be.

    • progressivesunite says:

      10:34am | 21/07/11

      @ Conservatives - good points. I guess there does need to be a mix - I totally get that there are criminals who are just bad and dangerous and it’s better for everyone if they’re not out and about…and people do awful stuff to others just because they’re horrible - but there are also people who probably wouldn’t be in the situation if someone, or the system, had stepped in earlier etc. (and yes, NSW it is)

      @ Bev - there are all sorts of reasons for single parent families: divorce (some men and women don’t want to stay with a spouse they hate…), death, abandonment, irresponsibility, deciding to have a child even though the father doesn’t want it - all sorts of reasons. In some cases, yes, feminists have indeed been involved - because domestic violence does happen you know, and that causes single-parent families as well (otherwise someone just stays with their violent partner and maybe the kids cop it too). You might also want to acknowledge that plenty of people grow up in divorced homes and turn out perfectly fine.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      10:47am | 21/07/11

      The other thing to note is that children in detention are more likely to become adult offenders.

      I really and firmly believe that if we spent more time focusing on reforming and working with children who actually can change as they mature, we might have less adult crime to deal with.

      Institutionalising children as a punishment for things they don’t understand are wrong is not the way.

    • andye says:

      10:50am | 21/07/11

      @Bev - Statistics show violence and property crime in Australia decreased in the 20th Century from the 19th. Therefore I can only conclude that feminism and social engineers have helped reduce crime.

      Yes, thats a stupid and baseless conclusion… but no more stupid and baseless than yours.

    • Criminologist says:

      10:56am | 21/07/11

      Statistics these days are extremeley dubious.  Governments and their Police Departments have become more adept at hiding the true crime rates.

    • andy says:

      11:07am | 21/07/11

      @Fiddler - Wow, as a idiot lefty I am really having trouble to come to terms with this. People get sent to jail for doing bad things? Gosh! I guess I was so busy bleeding from my heart in my ivory tower sipping ion a latte and making sure all the items on my Gay Agenda are ticked off that I didnt notice. That stupid @progressivesunite keeps talking about the causes of crime. haha, what an idiot! Crime is caused by… um… people doing bad things. Any correlation between race, poverty, abuse and criminal activity are just coincidences or possibly made up by stupid lefties. As you have concluded, we shouldnt be talking about the causes of crime. The problem is clearly that enough people arent locked up!

    • Conservatives Unite! says:

      11:57am | 21/07/11

      Progressivesunite, I agree, interventions can work to reduce recidivism and incarceration rates. I do stress, though, that one cannot simply abandon principles of punishment and deterrence.

      Andy, while those with certain life histories are more highly-represented among the criminal class, you are doing them a disservice taking a mechanistic approach the ‘causes’ of crime. Ultimately, offenders have to decide to mend their ways, or they will keep offending. Making excuses for onesself is not a substitute for genuine remorse. And, more importantly, criminals aren’t victims, victims are.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:49pm | 21/07/11

      @Jade - we only have 300 juveniles in detention in NSW (and many of them are actually over 18 anyway). In order to end up in custody unless they have murdered someone they are usually on their twentieth chance, not their second and have thumbed their nose at every chance they get. These 300 are generally speaking the worst of the worst and refuse to be helped due to their attitude. I agree we still have to help, but this article is pointless as it argues for things that already exist, simply they refuse to accept them.
      @Andy, sure we can address these issues, broken homes etc, but it will make the “stolen generation” look lame by comparison, taking tens, possibly even hundreds of thousands of children from their broken homes. Where will we put them? Hey that’s worth it to reduce the already ridiculously small percentage of juveniles we have in custody already.
      I repeat this article and most of the arguments are absolute crap. Assistance programs already exist and the help is already out there. Australia is not “tough on crime” I have come across offenders who have been convicted of hundreds of offences and had every bit of help offered to them but stubbornly ignore it. Gaol is already treated as a last resort by the criminal justice system.

    • Bev says:

      06:23pm | 21/07/11

      You might also want to acknowledge that plenty of people grow up in divorced homes and turn out perfectly fine. 
      Not a problem I didn’t say they couldn’t just more likely on average.

      In some cases, yes, feminists have indeed been involved - because domestic violence does happen you know, and that causes single-parent families as well (otherwise someone just stays with their violent partner and maybe the kids cop it too).

      Lets look at that without the feminist hyp.
      DV affects 7% of Australian families (white Ribbon) of that 3.5% was aboriginal (before intervention probably a lot less now). Hardly an epidemic as feminists insist. According to the Chisom report only 5% of divorces included claims of DV or abuse.  When it comes to child physical abuse 70% is perpertrated by mothers. One could assume this abuse is more likely in single mother families especialy the ones never married and those who have a succession of boyfriends and children by multiple fathers. Many of the young girls who fall pregnant come from this type of background.  While many of the boys come to police notice before the age of 12. Percentage of families in this category??? We do know however that nearly one third of children grow up in single parent households and that a University of Adelaide study estimated that one third of Australian children are expected to come to notice by child protection by 2013.  Feminists encourage this single mother mess!

    • andye says:

      11:33pm | 22/07/11

      @Bev - I am genuinely confused by what point you are trying to make. Buried underneath all those confusing statistics seems to be the assumption that:

      feminism—> single mothers.

      Hows that again? I am interested in how you are joining them together.  Do you wish to see a return to the dutiful wife in her place?

    • Chris_D says:

      08:23am | 21/07/11

      I’ll probably get flamed for this, but it all goes back to how we raise our children.  Ever heard the term, “Close the gate after the horse has bolted?”  If children were raised properly from the start, with firm discilpline, corrective measures for anti-social behaviour, good role models and a number of other measures that have slowly been eroded over the years by PC/do-gooder types, then I would suggest more teens/young adults would not be getting into the sort of trouble or hanging around the sort of people that gets them into the prison system in the first place.

    • nihonin says:

      08:42am | 21/07/11

      Agree totally Chris_D, society has gone down hill due to all the ‘crap’ sociologists, psychologists and the leftards who listen to them.

    • MarkS says:

      09:19am | 21/07/11

      I am 18 months older then my sister. I have no criminal history whatsoever, not even a speeding ticket. My sister, drug addict, armed robber, etc etc.

      We were both raised the same way. The difference, she is a fool. Chris you are wrong.

    • Kebabpete says:

      09:44am | 21/07/11

      I’ve often wondered if there have been any studies which compare inmate figures (men, women, and children) against the time when it became politically and socially incorrect for parents to dish out real punishment for children. From the outside it seems as though its increased significantly but my opinion is based more on the increased media coverage we get rather than any hard evidence.

      Anyone have any ideas?

    • fairsfair says:

      09:49am | 21/07/11

      The old nature vs nurture debate. As with everything, I think it is a bit of both.

    • Dazeddazza says:

      10:50am | 21/07/11

      Chris, good , and fair comment.  My addition is that if an offender really wants to change, they must change their playgrounds and change their playmates.  However, this is difficult for most, as I suspect most offenders come from dysfunctional backgrounds and when released immediately go back to the same “playground and playmates”.  The answer, I don’t know.  The families of this type of offender do not understand, and quite often are unable to help due to their own issues.

    • Seanr says:

      11:38am | 21/07/11

      Whilst I agree with the your overall premise Chris_D, that ‘PC/do-gooders’ haven’t helped and better parenting is the best. The example provided by MarkS highlights that it’s not always perfect.

    • Mumofmany says:

      12:33pm | 21/07/11

      @ MarkS - the problem is that you were raised the same way! Different children with different personalities respond differently to parental instruction/correction. However, some people do decide to make the wrong choices in life and parents can only do so much, especially once they reach young adulthood. The premise that a lack of parental discipline/training has resulted in more delinquency I think is valid.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      01:34pm | 21/07/11

      @Mark S

      Same with my friend and her sister.

    • Chris_D says:

      09:18pm | 21/07/11

      @MarkS, for the record, I was making a generalisation, but I do take your point.
      @fairsfair, yes, absolutely,  and I think this supports MarkS’ argument.

      I concur with you both.

    • TheMan says:

      08:29am | 21/07/11

      I think there are two issues at hand:

      1) there is a relaxed approach to crime and too many second chances. Judges are hesitant to put first time offenders in jail because the jail system currently creates criminals. I believe that offenders in jail should have to prove they’ve changed in jail rather than before they go to jail or the victims feel there is no justice. Sentences should be reduced once they’ve proved themselves.
      2) the jail system needs an overhaul to ensure that it allows those who want to rehabilitate the opportunity to do so. If criminals prove themselves incapable of doing so, they should be switched to an area with like minded criminals ensuring those who want to better themselves can do so.

    • Gavin Hodge says:

      10:23am | 21/07/11

      The other problem is that once you send someone to jail once, they lose that fear of it. If they come through a term unscathed, that fear of incarceration is overcome. With most first-time offenders, the thought of jail is forboding and enough to scare them. Not so for those who have done time.

    • Carolyn says:

      11:16pm | 09/08/11

      Yours are good suggestions. If you’re interested in prisoners and what might make a positive impact on them, you might be interested in The 4th Annual National Prisoner’s Family Conference, to be held in Albuquerque next February,  See http://www.solutionsforelpaso.org or check Prisoners Family Conference on Facebook for details.

    • Fiddler says:

      08:46am | 21/07/11

      I totally agree that we need to provide a rehab service to teach prisoners how to get their lives on track however repeat offenders who go in for three to four months at a time is a problem, they are recidivists who offer nothing to society, for every offence they are convicted of they would commit another ten. If they are going in and out of gaol, they need a good hard stint so gaol is not the attractive option. If it is an attractive option it shows one of two things.
      1. Gaol is too soft, bring back hard labour coupled with life/job skills
      2. They can’t cope in the real world. As such their levels of dying is simply darwinism in effect. I have no problem with this

    • Paul Murray says:

      11:09am | 21/07/11

      What makes you think there isn’t one? Corrective services makes all sorts of efforts to re-integrate people: halfway houses and whatnot into which inmates are moved towards the ends of their sentences. But what’s a criminal to do when he gets out? Find a job in marketing, a wife, and a house in the suburbs? It is honestly a hard problem, and not one that the relevant people are unaware of.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:28pm | 21/07/11

      I am agreeing with you. These systems already exist. The article is futile in that it is arguing for things that already exist. It fails to take one thing into account. The majority of recidivist prisoners are the bottom 0.1% of society who simply cannot cope with living in the world with others. They are offered training and employment assistance and help getting housing. Sure working as a labourer/lollypop man isn’t glamorous but it pays the bills. The problem is most of these people have such poor interpersonal skills they can’t work with others and can’t stand being told what to do/get out of bed to go to work each day.
      The simple answer is these people can’t be fixed, doesn’t mean we should stop trying, but lefty guilt because they don’t fix there ways helps no-one.

    • iansand says:

      09:15am | 21/07/11

      If prison offers rehabilitation repeat offences are less likely.  If there are fewer repeat offences there is less crime.

      Makes sense to me on social and financial bases.

    • MDG says:

      12:57pm | 21/07/11

      Hear, hear.  Too many people get caught up in the punishment component of a custodial sentence and lose sight of what’s actually best for society-  fewer crimes, not more prisoners.

    • Watcher says:

      09:29am | 21/07/11

      This is sore point with me. 2 of my great great’s were convicts, one stole half a pound of butter, the other stole (he said he didn’t) a silk handkerchief. For those huge crimes they got 7 years transportation to Australia in chains. Those crimes would probably not even get a slap on the hand today, we have gone too far the other way. A life in this country is not worth much, a few years and they are out. I am sure not sure jail is the answer for drug addicts, I am not expert and my drug of choice is coffee, but it seems to me that they should be given help.

    • Markus says:

      10:20am | 21/07/11

      Help can only be given to those who choose to take it.

      How many chances should a person be offered, before we decide that the rest of the population deserves better than to have constant re-offenders released back into society again and again?

    • Markus says:

      10:00am | 21/07/11

      Depends on what our ultimate aim of incarceration is. If we are aiming for rehabilitation of all prisoners, even those that seem well beyond recovery, then I guess we are doing an unsatisfactory job.

      That said, if the aim is to keep them imprisoned to keep the rest of society safe from their criminal activity, then we are failing miserably in that regard too. Claiming that assault and robbery are “low level crimes” is just spitting in the face of these prisoners’ victims.

      Perhaps the best solution involves a combination of both avenues - increased access to rehabilitation programs, but also increased prison sentences for repeat offenders who show no desire to change (it’s kinda hard to be a repeat offender when you are locked in solitary confinement).

    • Kebabpete says:

      10:06am | 21/07/11

      After reading all these comments I think the real question that needs answering is…

      Is it GAOL or JAIL?

      When I was at school I was told it is now JAIL and that the old spelling GAOL is no longer used.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      10:18am | 21/07/11

      I’ve been told that you can use both (happy to be corrected) And I like the look of the word gaol better so I choose to use it smile

    • Markus says:

      10:25am | 21/07/11

      American propaganda raspberry
      Like the whole -ise versus -ize debate, both are acceptable spellings, with the latter just becoming more commonplace as Australia moves from its English origins toward American culture.

    • stephen says:

      10:36am | 21/07/11

      The ‘ize’ suffix is Old Greek in origin. Or at least the letter is.
      Besides, what is wrong with spelling the way it is pronounced.

    • Markus says:

      11:20am | 21/07/11

      “Besides, what is wrong with spelling the way it is pronounced”
      From a phonetic standpoint, due to a combination of accent/dialect and individual vocal chord development, no two people pronounce the same word exactly the same way.
      A uniform written language is the foundation that allows people to communicate effectively in spite of this shortfall.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:32pm | 21/07/11

      In NSW the spelling “gaol” is used in court documents etc.

    • jeffb says:

      10:09am | 21/07/11

      It’s easier for a politician to be tougher on crime than more effective on crime in the current media climate.

      You can’t sell effective policy when the media is just going to cover the latest poll results and ignore any long-term policy objectives, being tougher on crime will get you that short-term poll-oriented result that they are looking for to get some coverage in the media.

    • caroline says:

      10:31am | 21/07/11

      Really important article, Lucy. As you say, there are many reasons why people end up in prison - addiction, mental illness, destructive family life that has left them with low personal resources. Of course there are also the people who made really bad choices with their eyes wide open, however it must be said that the well-off and well supported offenders are much less likely to end up in jail due to better legal assistance. Treating people in prison as though they deserve a second chance is not only beneficial to them personally, it benefits society as they are more likely to be productive citizens and not reoffend. There are of course degrees to this - there’s a huge spectrum of reasons why people end up in prison and the “smaller” offenses (eg drug possession, unpaid fines) are the people who could be channeled into a life of much harder crime if they get caught up in the system. I’m not a complete bleeding heart - there are those who have committed heinous crimes who should be removed from society for our safety, however there are far more who are teetering on the borderline and we could benefit in many ways from supporting them to come back to living in a legal and prosocial way.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:39pm | 21/07/11

      Caroline, not sure about the other states but certainly in NSW people don’t go to gaol for not paying fines and haven’t for twenty years. As for drug possession most end up with a penalty ranging around at $200 fine. Despite what many people think based on things they have generally seen on American TV or from people who went to gaol, but lie about what they went in for you really do have to do quite a lot to end up inside, either repeated offences where you have been given many chances (and diversionary programs available) or one serious offence.
      These articles are generally bullshit because they are arguing against things that do not happen and arguing demanding things that already exist. The issue is that a lot of prisoners do not elect to make use of the chances given to them

    • Paul Murray says:

      11:02am | 21/07/11

      Permit the medical community to prescribe anything at all for “treatment and management of addiction”, and put heroin (etc, etc) on the PBS. It would slash crime, cut the legs out from under the mobs, and leave the prisons to house assholes with no common sense (which is what criminals tend to be). It would also mean that an addict does not risk imprisonment every time they seek help for their condition. It would fold them back into “straight” society.

      The “crime” model benefits no-one but prison contractors. It’s failed. Legalisation and a medical approach works.

    • Fiona says:

      08:39pm | 21/07/11

      Agreed. We just need to look at the American system. Their tough approach has seen their inmate popultion spiral, despite the long sentences and sometimes harsh conditions. The private prison contractor system is a disgrace. Saw a doco years ago and one inmate said that the community should be concerned about prisons, because everyone would eventually be released for better or worse.

    • Bring Back The Death Penalty says:

      11:18am | 21/07/11

      All criminals (regardless of gender) should be forced to spend their time inside breaking big rocks into little rocks. And they should not have access to tobacco, TV or newspapers. They’re in jail because they have committed serious crimes against the community ( and it’s only those who commit the most serious crimes who end up inside, thanks to the disgraceful leniency of the judiciary).

      To anyone who disagrees, how would you feel if your wife was raped? Or your father murdered? Would you be seeking to have the offender being given a mere slap on the wrist?

    • Bob 66 says:

      11:44am | 21/07/11

      As a middle aged male who has been to prison i wish to give my two cents worth. My crime was white collar of a financial type, my sentence was 6 years with a bottom of 2 years before parole could be attempted. My past, Im from a broken home but I was raised very well by my mother, grandmother and older sister, I was taught right from wrong and led a productive life. I have never touched drugs, drink very little and have a wife and son.

      I committed my crime for reasons I wont share here, but I will say that I was pushed and pushed until I snapped,  needless to say I deserved to be punished for what I did and I accepted full responsibility for my actions.

      I was sent to a Prison in northern Qld, a new prison, one up in each slot (one inmate per cell). When I arrived I was a mess mentally, the reasons for my crime had destroyed me before I was arrested, I have suffered from Bipolar disorder for decades and I was in worse shape on entering prison (never been inside before).

      When you first enter you are given a Pysch appraisal by a supposed psych employed by the Corrective Services, when talking with this lady I made mention that my lawyer strongly suggested I receive some help for my mental stability. The Pysch answered me by saying that you only receive counseling if the judge orders it or if you try and “Neck Yourself” (suicide), and she remarked that because the judge didnt order it I am therefore down to one option.So I sat in my slot , hating myself for what I did, who I hurt by my actions, and the damage it did.

      I got on well with every inmate I met, there were Junkies, Thugs, Thieves, Murderers, White Collar Crims, Lawyers, Doctors and even the odd Pharmacist, (you meet all types inside).

      Some say you get it easy inside with free healthcare, I saw time and again prisoners given wrong medication that was meant for another. I knew an epileptic that was given the wrong medication, another prisoner found him in his bed not breathing and blue, he did cpr and saved him.

      In prison you get to buy disposable razors, I was suffering badly from depression so I broke the blade out of the razor and held it to my wrist ready to slice, it was just then that one inmate I got on well with happened to walk by my slot and talked me down. I dont know how many times I sat up at night in the dark looking at that blade , picking it up, holding it to my neck or wrist, then I would see the picture I had of my wife and son and I would put the blade down, so many times.

      I met a good bloke inside who is a plumber on the outside, a real nice guy that made a mistake and went to prison, I was there when they wheeled him past when he cut his wrists with nail clippers, chopping through his wrists a bit at a time to get to the vein. He survived but he was broken inside by that point.

      So as some of you have mentioned that its an easy life inside please understand that it isnt. Sure some people have a cruisey ride inside, tends to be the ones who get the small laggings (sentence) who do best, normally Junkies etc, they get small stretches of 5 or 6 months and they leave and come back again for a few months.

      Every prisoner has done something wrong, when you do something wrong you must pay, if you do the crime, you do the time. But please dont think its a holiday, and please dont think the prison is only there for Junkies and Psychotic killers because its not, there are many inmates who are not evil, they have done the wrong thing and they must be punished, but if you give anyone enough time inside you change him for ever, and it doesnt take that long to turn someone into a hollow shell.

      I have been out of prison now for Seven Years, never committed another offense. I have gone through a fortune in rope, I would walk to my garage grab some rope make a noose and throw it around the beam, then I would think of my wife and son finding my body, so I would throw my rope in the bin, only to buy more at a later stage and go through the cycle over and over.

      I dont want you to get the wrong idea here, I dont feel sorry for myself, i have been out of prison for seven years and every day I still wake up and feel disappointed that I am alive , I hate myself, I hate being trapped with myself, how would you feel if you spent 24 hrs a day trapped inside the person you hate?

      Does prison make you a better person? It has made me a person who never wants to go back, but I will never be the same,....... I am not a better person.

    • Ghost says:

      12:28pm | 21/07/11

      Why do you hate yourself Bob 66?

    • Erick says:

      12:37pm | 21/07/11

      Thank you for that very informative comment, Bob 66.

      The Punch should consider running it as a front page story on its own.

    • Kebabpete says:

      01:11pm | 21/07/11

      ditto Erick

    • Bob66 says:

      01:43pm | 21/07/11

      Ghost says:

      Why do you hate yourself Bob 66?

      Thats a question I ask myself all the time, and the same answer I give to myself is that I have failed in life, thats how I feel.

      I am a middle aged unemployed ex con that cant provide for his family. I struggle all the time to find a reason to keep on breathing and I always come back to my family, my family is my life force, my family is my heartbeat , my family is my life. Being unable to get past my past , being unable to support them , that is what makes me hate me.

      I learnt to hate myself in prison, and every day since my release I have tried to prove that I am not an evil person, but my record is with me forever, and my memory is with me forever.

    • Ghost says:

      03:21pm | 21/07/11

      @Bob 66

      It’s probably time to take the emotion out of your past actions.  You can’t change the past, you can acknowledge, within yourself, how you feel about it, but it’s important to move on.  You and the family will benefit from this change in thinking.

      You have done the ‘negative’ line of thinking, so what is the harm in giving the ‘positive’ a go?

      Accept that you are only going to have a positive mindset from now on.

      It will change your life.

    • Outraged says:

      03:47pm | 21/07/11

      God Bless you Bob66…and your family!

      The Punch should run more articles about how men feel helpless in todays society.

    • stephen says:

      05:06pm | 21/07/11

      You’ve got a kind and loving family Bob 66 and that they love and care for you so much then maybe you should trust them and think..‘if they consider I’m OK then maybe I’ll trust them. Maybe I’ll like myself too.’
      Then when you do accept yourself, then you repeat this… If i’m OK and I’ve accepted my good and bad qualities, (my family sure have,) then everything i have done up to now, the good, the bad and the real bad, is a part of who I am now, and nothing else would have made me. I am a composite of all my experiences, for better and for worse.’
      In short, if you like and respect yourself, why WOULDN’T you respect your history ?
      You earnt it. It’s yours. You’re alive and with those you love.
      Not many get this second chance.

    • Fiona says:

      08:45pm | 21/07/11

      Thank you for your story bob 66. Take care of yourself, you are worth it.
      I hope that your story has opened the eyes of some of the more judgmental, vitriolic posters here.

    • Chris_D says:

      09:25pm | 21/07/11

      @Bob 66, are you currently, or have you recently (or even at any time) received or sought out counselling?  I know you mentioned it was denied to you upon entering the prison system, but surely now, 7 years on, seeking some professional help would be the first step to finding a better life, by learning to accept yourself, your past, and finding a brighter future.

    • Kate says:

      10:33pm | 21/07/11

      Anyone who thinks it’s an easy life has probably never watched ‘Oz’.
      Bob, I wish you luck for the future, and please consider getting help for your self-hatred. You’ve done your time and deserve to move on.

    • Bob 66 says:

      10:34am | 22/07/11

      Chris_D says: 09:25pm | 21/07/11

      @Bob 66, are you currently, or have you recently (or even at any time) received or sought out counselling?

      Gidday Chris, Oh yes I have sought treatment. I went to my doctor on my release to be able to get treatment. In the town I live in we are very limited, also as I was unemployed and bankrupt I had fewer options. My doctor sent me to a local Psychologist who only charged medicare amounts so I didnt have to pay, unfortunately after a few sessions (approx 4) he said there is nothing else he could do !

      As I was really in a bad way I went back to my doctor and got another referral , this time to a Psychiatrist that charged x amount per hour, he gave me a small discount because he knew my financial limits but even with the discount I couldnt afford to keep seeing him, so he said to return to my doctor to get my medication renewed each time the script runs out.So now I have been on medication that he prescribed for the last seven years, I dont go and see him anymore as I cant afford it, so I get my script renewed at my doctors.

      Thats the thing about prison, when you go there you are constantly reminded by staff there that you are less than human because you are a prisoner. When you are released and if you are on Parole you are reminded by the Parole Officers at Community Corrections that you are less than human.

      So at the end of the sentence, when you have finished your Jail, you have finished your Home Detention, You have finished your Parole when you are finally free , you stand at your front door and look out at the world, you feel that you do not belong out there anymore, among normal people, you are so used to living your life as being different from the rest of society that you feel you dont belong with all of them out there , so you treat your home as your cave, you dont allow yourself to socialize with the civilians out there.

      This is now normal to me, my life in my cave.

      To all who have replied to my post I wish to thank you for your kind words, even tho as an ex con I dont deserve kind words.

    • atthepub says:

      11:55am | 22/07/11

      All of us affect the people around us in many different ways. Just see how you’ve changed the attitude around of some people here on the Punch just by telling us a little of your story.

      That’s how changes are made a little at a time. If it weren’t for you Bob, people here at the Punch would still have a rather one-sided view of the whole ‘goal thing.’ And without your input many of us would have continued sharing our lopsided views with others.

      Good thing you are staying around to make that positive difference.

      link to info, self help on depression etc,  http://www.pressonaustralia.com

    • mike j says:

      10:31pm | 22/07/11

      Thoroughly enjoyed your comments, Bob 66. Good prose, good paragraphing, adequate grammar and punctuation. The content was a bonus.

      “I am not a better person.”

      Rehabilitation is only one purpose of incarceration. Deterrence is another. Punishment is another. Exclusion from society is another. Providing rehabilitation services adequate to cater for the variety of psychological pathology in prisons is unrealistic, and would erode deterrence.

      In your case, you haven’t reoffended: your rehabilitation was successful. From society’s perspective, you ARE a better person. Cold, huh?

      “even tho as an ex con I dont deserve kind words”

      You didn’t say you were an emo ex con.

      Another tenet of incarceration is payment of ‘debt to society’. Having done your time, you have paid your debt. Society has forgiven you for your crimes. Well… the ones that it knew about. Sure, society isn’t going to make you head of the RBA any time soon, but that’s prudence, not punishment. The only person you need forgiveness from is yourself.

      Don’t kill yourself, Bob 66. You’re too interesting.

    • Primy says:

      01:33pm | 25/07/11

      By my count Bob 66, that’s eleven people who have been reached by you.  You may never know it, probably won’t, but there may be ripples running out of your story/life that reaches other people and makes a difference.  We have read your thoughts, and we have been moved enough to reply.  So yes your life does make a difference; possibly changed my thought patterns, which in turn may help someone else.  Good luck son.

    • Stuart Kinner says:

      11:51am | 21/07/11

      Please note that the statement that “One in five inmates dies within five years of release” is incorrect, and does not come from the MJA paper referred to in this article. We estimated that out of about 50,000 releases from prison in 2007/08, around 450 died within one year of release. Although nowhere near “one in five”, this is still a significant number of preventable deaths, and the rate of death is well above that of the general community.

      Dr Stuart Kinner
      Head, Justice Health Research
      Burnet Institute

    • mike j says:

      11:10pm | 22/07/11

      It’s still wrong. It now reads: “450 died within five years of release”.

      mike j
      Comprehension Divison
      Facepalm Institute

    • Darragh Scully says:

      01:33pm | 21/07/11

      You can look at this problem from the What Works studies perspective.
      As with any group processes Offender Groups are diverse and complicated despite the traits that can be found among those in the various groups we have for them.

      I have looked at this problem through the eyes of the Primary Prevention moguls whom have influenced policies like the Northern Territory Intervention. The intervention has alot of criticisms though if you read up on what has occured in some of these communities, for example take the book Bad Dreaming which describes explicitly in detail the very extreme level of abuse that goes on. I couldnt really start to look at all the problems in such a short space that the punch gives or time permits on here, the problems are just to vast. However Primary Prevention, ie A fence by the cliff, helps to stop the young from developing conduct problems early as possible and helps identify those with problems the predisposes them to conditions that are socially responded to with Incapcitative Retribution or prison. Once again though its complicated. Its just like the Airport Security Issue, I mean you dont want your Jihad’ers sneaking nasty stuff on to planes, the same as you dont really want your drug couriers or what have you doing the same. So now you have a way of dealing with it that wont slow down the flow in the system and then lots of people stand up and say they are being violated, sexually by perverted airport staff. Yes that scanner works and works well but you know its the 80/20 rule. You keep 80% of decent people happy and you win.

      The best program I have seen for Recidivism is the Parallel Universe Program (Missouri) . It goes against Retribution and endorses Rehabilitation. The idea is to look at the 80% population, how they live, work and pro social recreation (did you know that most crime happens in the recreation hours), and then creating an environment in prison as close to that as possible. Dog trainers call it socialization.  In its first few years it reduced the 75% rate of recidivism down to 50%. It included a range of education, group and individual measures including pharmacological measures. It is a major intervention. Though you know in my short experience as a Justice Worker I think that its far to Post Modern American and incompatible with all the Limey Policies we adapt from the UK. But you know how it is the Victims and friends of the Victims are now just as angry as the bullies and thieves that messed with them in the first place and need their pound of flesh. But no tolerance retribution never works. And infact the whole political structure thrives on no tollerance. Certain Criminologist define it as the Get tough on Crime principle. Politicians will tell you that they will build more prisons, put more cops on the beat, and bring the smack down on crime if you give them their vote. They know it works because thats the 80:20 rule and it keeps the masses feeling secure. But it doesnt work very well, its a short term solution that is expensive in its own right for what you get out of it, which is a high rate of Recidivism. Thats why Parralel works so well.
      But look at the labor market, especially in WA right now. They bring in immigrants to do skilled jobs, and then the need to bring in people to provide the services for those people and those people need more skilled immigrants and its a viscous cycle. And you have the locals complaing that they cant get jobs because they dont have experience. Its a similar Stigma as having a criminal record. You get angry and you break something and get done for Criminal Damage and thats 10 years being excluded from thousands of positions that require a clearance. Your options might be jobs your not suited to at all and not likely to succeed in. So you get desperate and with out the right set of Protective Factors you end up exposed to others like you in the ques, the predators, and the get tough on crime Moral Enforcers that are hopefully going to be phased out with proper Primary Prevention intervention, though thats more of a 100 to 200 year global plan realistically speaking which is why even primary prevention wont work.

      Catch 52.  But the good thing is that its going to get worse, which means that its going to get very uncomfortable for more people. And the best environment for lateral and inventive thought is the environment outside your comfort zone. After all we are only human. Though you need to snare some of these more dominant members of society and lock them up and show them what its like. The changes they feel need to be made to minimize the effect on humanity shall then ripple effect their way through to the rest of society.

    • Grandmother says:

      01:45pm | 21/07/11

      just 10 minutes ago I was having a conversation with my friend about two of the locals from around Redfern/Surry Hills who have spent several months in gaol for mental health/drug related issues…both men were released around May….no rehabilitation places available, no support - aside from some strange probation officer who seemed to be entirely disinterested in moving to solutions…just nothing.  The inevitable has happened…this pair met up again today in Silverwater…one will spend 6 months in there for breaching his parole, the other 4 months.  neither will receive mental health care or the ability to enter appropriate rehab.  I guess if we don’t care about them, then we ought to consider just how much money this is costing the state of NSW…a revolving door of misery

    • Fiddler says:

      02:14pm | 21/07/11

      I love how econimical with the truth you are there Grandmother. “several months in gaol for mental health/drug related issues”
      What offence did they commit? They could always take a bit of responsibility and make some of these things happen themselves. Were you in the meetings with their parole officer? So how do you know these things, don’t trust a word they say, it is human nature to avoid responsibility for their actions. If they didn’t think their parole officer was helping they talk to the head of the office and get re-assigned, it happens all the time.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:11pm | 21/07/11

      Thanks for the clarification, Stuart, I’ll make sure that is reflected in my article.

    • Coop says:

      09:23pm | 21/07/11

      Having recently been bagging academics for not answering your calls?

      Still wondering?

    • Ben81 says:

      02:57pm | 21/07/11

      One of the main problems is gutless politicians and their “tough on crime” garbage pandering to the ignorant and treating people with drug use problems as criminals instead of helping them through a health issue.

      They way we’re doing things has never worked and will never work, but people just refuse to open their minds and accept some people have mental health and drug problems that they should be helped through instead of making it worse.  You can see it here, people just don’t care, brushing them all off as “junkies” etc.  The whole attitude stinks.

    • Shenanigans says:

      04:10pm | 21/07/11

      “one does not simply walk into Mordor”
      now replace Mordor with prison. You get put in there for reason, generally a good one.
      Bleeding hearts saying you can change a criminal are wrong, you can’t change someone who made the active decision to go out and cause harm. once a crim always a crim, this isnt a utopian country people, this isnt a fairly tail, in the real world shit gets very real and when it does there are always consequences.

    • Brendan says:

      06:45pm | 23/07/11

      I don’t think your comment is lunacy, but I think your logic is.

      Once a hockey player always a hockey player?
      No. Not true. So why does this apply elsewhere?
      These kind of generalisations are ignorant and dangerous.

      And the apparent ease with which you can dehumanise people (who have committed what the state considers to a crime) is exactly what I think you deplore in the ‘criminal’ itself.

      This is not a utopian country, and I doubt it ever will simply because of the vast spread of opinions, preferences, and beliefs shared or not by it’s citizens. That’s ok. I think it is essentially fascist to say there is only one way of conducting yourself, and non-compliance will forfeit your freedom. That’s not ok.

      Now, I’m not advocating violence or abuse, don’t put words in my mouth.

      However, I think no-one does something so socially, emotionally and physically debilitating to themselves without either true belief that what they do is right, or an absolute incapability of the same.

      The way your mind works, the decisions you make and the way you react to stimuli should be shared by everyone and all who don’t are no longer human?

      Understanding and comprehension are actions of the brain,
      Blind hate and anger are actions of the heart.

      So If I have a bleeding heart, you must have a bleeding brain.

    • andye says:

      10:54pm | 23/07/11

      Your absolute truths must make life very simple for you. No complications. Bad guys are bad and wear black hats, good guys are good and wear white. As Brendan pointed out you are “dehumanising” them. I would rather be a bleeding heart than a bloody jerk.

    • bananabender says:

      05:01pm | 21/07/11

      Recidivism is almost non-existent in Japanese prisons.

      In Japanese prisons:
      - prisoners are all kept in solitary confinement with no talking. Not even eye contact with other prisoners or guards is allowed.
      - personal possessions are banned
      - no visitors are allowed
      - no TV, radio or Internet access
      - no tobacco or special foods
      - extremely limited phone calls and mail
      -  4.30am wakeup
      - prisoners are forced to apologise for their crimes on a regular basis.

    • stephen says:

      05:16pm | 21/07/11

      Me mate from Bunnings reckons that’s just like at work.

      And I seen the ads,e.g.  ‘team leader’.
      What a load of crap.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      12:28am | 22/07/11

      It’s about $ $ $ ,it’s cheaper to keep a mental patient in goal than in hospital & provide treatment

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      02:27am | 22/07/11

      Hi Lucy,

      Lets not forget that petty crime rates as well as consumption of alcohol & drugs go hand in hand!!  If we look at the State Revenue from consumption of alcohol, cigarettes & poker machines, I just have to say “no wonder why”??

      Steal little and then steal big, I believe whole heartedly it is the same with drug & substance abuse!!  When it comes to mental health intervention, it is just a way to get on social welfare benefits for some people!!  If we want less crime & substance abuse, then we should aim higher and offer better alternatives when it comes to education & our living standards. 

      It is such a shame for so called “luck country”.  Please show me where is the incentive to do better when our social welfare system is a bit of a joke. Anyone who presents a medical certificate that they are some how depressed or addicts seem to have an easy way out of work obligations & responsibilities.  So all these so called addicts are receiving income to support their habits,  and sadly not to support their families.

      Lets take a good look at ourselves, before we start turning into another United States.  I really believe locking criminals for long periods is not a long, useful & lasting solution.  May be we should ask our Leaders & Law makers for better solutions, right????  Best regards to your editors.

    • Prison Officer says:

      09:41am | 22/07/11

      I have spent 30 years working in prisons.  Prisons have become dumping grounds for the mentally ill and the expectation is that Prison Officers will manage them.  While they do a good job they work short staffed and without any training in the problems/symptoms etc of mental illness. Prisons have difficulty attracting trained medical professionals, more money to be made in private practice.
      Peple really appear to ignore the fact that by time a person gets to prison they have been “damaged” over the life of at least 18 years.  The expectation that prison will fix them and ‘repair’ that damage in 6-12 months is unrealistic. And they must want to change.  Without resorting to the draconian methods of years gone by, then the decision to change must come from the person, it cannot be forced.
      There have been some very successful programs.  Instead of concentrating of treatment they have been based around increased self esteem through education and training.  There is a program run at a regional prison in WA.  Only running for about 4 years and little fiancial support it has had around 150 prisoners movethrough it. 145 left prison with a job, only 5 have returned to prison.
      Training and education are the key, not a whole lot of feel good, get in touch with your inner self gooble gook. The prisoners laugh at these programs as they now what a waste they are but they help them get out on parole

    • mick griffiths says:

      01:20pm | 22/07/11

      Many commentators in the above support rehabilitation for wrong doers and perhaps rightly so, but, what I find odd is that the same persons never offer their support to those who comply with the law in reporting corruption, they are crucified and with no rehab nor support from the law makers/keepers and or the general public who they are supporting as such in letting them know what is actually going on. The media likewise they just don’t want to expose the wrong doers for whatever the reasons. Why is that, anyone know?

    • Prison Officer says:

      04:28pm | 22/07/11

      Mick - try being a whistleblower in a government job…..its hell

    • Anna says:

      06:02pm | 22/07/11

      Bob66 your tale bought me to tears.  I am really sorry that you hate who you are, abhor being in your own skin and wake up being dissapointed that you still exist.
      People make mistakes though and although you made one which led you to be incarcerated that doesn’t mean you are a bad person.  It means that you are human with fallibilities. 
      To me, you sound emotionally intelligent, humble (which is more than I can say of the judgemental posters on their freaking high and mighty soap box), honest, compassionate and very apologetic for your error.  That should be enough for you to get a clean slate in life.  To be able to start over.  It upsets and angers me that you are not able to do this. 
      I wish you all the best and I hope that you find acceptance with who you are.
      All the best

      Oh, and for the record, I too am peeved with the persistent references to females as if they are the only victims in the world and the only ones that mattered.

      For the women who are telling the men to stop whinging - I bet you are the first ones to be in an uproar if the situation were reversed!!!

    • mick griffiths says:

      06:59am | 23/07/11

      “Prison Officer”  I am one that’s why I asked, 17 years of ongoing hell for me and my family. My late wife’s death hastened (hastened not caused, she was a known cancer sufferer) my career taken unjustly from me and my health affected as now acknowledged as work related but I had to fight for 5 yeears, 3 yrs of forced on me “permanent sick report pending termination” and now they acknowledge in writing (29/6/11) for the very first time that they don’t have the required by law medical certificiate. No certificate means no medical condition thus no extended sick leave! The “authority” they used to force me off, they’ve supplied 3 seperate ones, ALL of them do not exist! Trying to get the Govt investigative agencies to do something, NIL done by anyone and their own FOI’s prove it! Even the then Commissioner sent me a formal complaint response under his own hand, in it he cites and quotes the authority used - IT DOES NOT EXIST!!  My story in brief detail is on Clive Small’s Post on “thepunch” web site, click on “about us” scroll down to that “post” it’s there in the “comments” section.  YET the main stream media who have been supplied with the written proof wont reveal same! Thus my question as to why there’s no support from the public/media, especially when it was the public who came to me with their concerns in the first place and I hold undeniable proof of that fact, yet they claim I made it all up!

    • Russ Grigg says:

      03:58pm | 23/07/11

      Amazing how our stories parallel one other’s. I too took corrupt public servants to court after a bashing at my home one night (I wouldn’t keep quiet). I won my case, at great expense, however, I’m now told made the whole thing up. I challenged my accuser to have me charged, and take me to court, and prove I am a liar.
      Naturally, I’ve heard nothing back. Thank goodness The Punch prints comments the like Mick Griffiths, and myself, otherwise one would summise that the media are only agents FOR corruption.

    • mick griffiths says:

      01:27pm | 24/07/11

      I should have included in my more reent comment that in fact there are two(2) doctor’s certificates in existance both issued by my treating doctor some 3 months apart, BOTH certifiying me fit to continue with my then duties and copies of BOTH as supplied me via FOI releases with FOI stamps on them from the police. PLUS 22 specialist doctors in some 50 reports refute what the police claimed of me, 18 of same their doctors not mine!

 

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