There is probably no other person in history who altered human behaviour and undermined our presumed freedoms and collective quality of life on the same scale as Osama bin Laden.

Bye.

Bin Laden easily ranks among the greatest evil-doers of the modern era, alongside Hitler and Stalin – not in terms of the death toll from his deeds but the pernicious ripple effect of his actions throughout the world.

The genius of the organisation he formed is that it functions along a simple franchise model whereby any disaffected and fanatical group, in any corner of the planet, can hang out its shingle and operate as a terrorist cell under the al Qaeda brand. In this small globalised world, the effects of his actions were immediate.

By orchestrating terrorist acts which would have been deemed too far-fetched by the most coke-addled Hollywood producer - events such as September 11 which continue to test the boundaries of comprehension, no matter how many hundreds of times you have seen those jets sliding through the glass of the Twin Towers – bin Laden started a psychological war with every decent person on the face of the earth.

The defining hideousness of what bin Laden did was his determination to turn civilians in social settings such as offices, public transport, hotels and nightclubs into his battleground of preference. Past tyrants still placed some store on the art of soldiering and the importance of winning set-piece battles. Bin Laden’s preferred quarry were people who were working, commuting, taking their kids to school, going on a holiday with their friends.

Bin Laden killed thousands of people. He also killed the notion of implausibility. After September 11 nothing was so theatrically hideous as to defy the imagination. In the space of a decade we have been left with a string of images which you wish you could erase – the falling man from 9-11, clerical workers clambering over body parts at Madrid’s Ochoa train station, fathers hiding in wardrobes at Mumbai’s Taj Mahal Hotel texting goodbye to their families as armed teenagers methodically knocked on every door hunting down guests.

For the families and friends of the 88 Australians among the 202 killed in Bali by al Qaeda’s sub-brand Jemaah Islamiyah, there will always be what Barack Obama described so powerfully yesterday as bin Laden’s most terrible legacy –  “The empty seat at the dinner table.”

For those of us not directly touched by any of these atrocities, none bigger for our country than the two Bali bombings, our lives have still been dramatically affected. The budgets of western countries such as Australia were recalibrated in the aftermath of September 11 both to boost homeland security spending and commit to contentious wars in Iraq and subsequently Afghanistan. Our ability to move freely was undermined. Assumptions about freedom of speech and assembly were challenged.

While most people regard it as a small and necessary sacrifice in this new age of terror, the simple act of catching a plane has changed forever more. Every time we take off our shoes – or as happened to me, make your toddler daughter take hers off after they beeped, just to make sure she didn’t have semtex hidden in the soles of her Pumpkin Patch slip-ons so she could blow up a passenger jet travelling between Sydney and Melbourne – we’re making our own little surrender to the sick new world Osama bin Laden created.

There is debate about the extent to which bin Laden’s assassination will change anything. Middle East analyst and author Robert Fisk, a strong critic of the United States, yesterday described bin Laden’s death as an irrelevance, saying he had already succeeded in the formation of al Qaeda as a globalised movement against the west.

This assessment underplays the draw of bin Laden as a messianic figure who inspires young men across the Islamic world to take up his call. Go into the flea markets in big Javanese cities such as Surabaya or Bandung, and you will see dozens of stores selling bin Laden’s likeness silk-screened onto t-shirts and wall hangings. In the same way that the image of Che Guevara galvanised the Left in the 1960s and 1970s the serene image of a smiling bin Laden is the marque of militant Islam. Al Qaeda’s marketing was backed up with bin Laden’s frequent use of video and audio, via his preferred network Al Jazeera, which had the effect of being a clarion call to his followers throughout the world.

The fact that Osama is gone does not mean that someone just as bad or worse will not fill the void, or that the fanatics who already support him could not unleash their own brand of payback in the coming days.

But for now this feels like the first really good day the civilised world has had in quite a long time. The idea of bin Laden arriving in the hereafter to learn that he’s been sold a pup, that there are no virgins but just a burning, eternal hell, is quite a pleasing one.

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    • John C says:

      06:10am | 03/05/11

      The British PM said it best: the world will be relieved that he is dead. I suspect that if there us an afterlife, Bin Laden will be having a hot old time, but not with 48 virgins, or however many he was expecting.

      And when we refer to his followers and acolytes, let us not use the word ‘idealistic’. Anybody who finds anything to admire in a man who prided himself in his part in the murder of so many people must themselves carry the seeds of evil.

    • Tom says:

      08:48am | 03/05/11

      Well said John C. The man was simply an alien to all things decent.

      I thought of the song “I started a joke, which started the whole world crying. .....  I finally died, which started the whole world living.” Let’s hope.

    • Rick says:

      08:59am | 03/05/11

      The likes of Blair,Bush ,Howard have more blood on thier hands than BL and his death will change nothing.

    • Tedd says:

      10:43am | 03/05/11

      I agree, Rick. 

      Their responses to bin Laden “altered human behaviour and undermined our presumed freedoms and collective quality of life” more.

    • Tom says:

      11:56am | 03/05/11

      You are a bit biased there Rick. Bush’s incursion into Iraq was retaliation. Or would you have us believe that the yanks aren’t allowed to fight back when attacked? I suggest you show some respect for the freedom of speech you currently enjoy. Some people have paid a high price for it.

    • dale says:

      12:21pm | 03/05/11

      So Tom, Iraq was invaded because they attacked america? thanks for the history lesson.

    • Sam says:

      02:26pm | 03/05/11

      @Tom, shove it, I don’t respect dumb people like you.

    • Lisa H. says:

      04:29pm | 03/05/11

      @ Sam;s comment, (please note: not at Sam)
      Mods, did this really need to be posted?
      Or is there no moderation?
      The comments on thepunch are so rude and reflexive so often that I think twice before dropping by these days

    • Sam says:

      05:00pm | 03/05/11

      @Lisa H, well there’s nothing more outrageous than claiming Iraq was valid retaliation for 911. It’s bad enough 3 thousand people had to die to get the ball rolling on this “thing”, and frankly it’s past the point of being rude. People die and people don’t learn, then you expect manners to the sheep. No way. I despise people like Tom and that’s not rude. People like Tom make politics the dirty game it has to be. Tom should be put on trial for his stupidity. It’s not a valid opinion to think Iraqis deserved what they got. I’m mad as hell at how his right to free speech enables him to dribble shit and still try to take the moral high ground. Stupid voters cause wars as much as evil people like Bin Laden.

    • Tom says:

      06:34pm | 03/05/11

      @Sam, the irony is that @dale corrected me when I meant to write Afghanistan rather than Iraq. He did it in a humorous way. I actually tried to correct that error in a later reply to dale but somehow the MOD cut my correction rather than your banal rant.

      You have made a meal of a typo Sam. You have overplayed your hand, Sam.

      I don’t know what on earth you mean when you said, “get the ball rolling on this “thing”  “. ??? “put on trial for his stupidity”??? All a bit deep for me, Sam.

      Sam, if you think its past the point of being rude, take up arms. Go to Iraq and fight the yanks. Go to Pakistan and fight the yanks. Defend your heroes. I will stay right here in Australia and thank them for the civilisation they provide and protect.

      I doubt that you would do it Sam because the yanks will fire back at you.

    • seduxen says:

      08:03pm | 03/05/11

      Even if we accept the paradigm the evildoing of Osama-Dead-For-A-Long-Time, he could not out-do Tony Blair (known as Teflon Tony) GWBush, Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon, Clinton, GHW Bush, Breshnev, and all the participants of the “Coalition of the Killing”... Osama-Dead-For-A-Long-Time, might caused the death of couple thousand - I repeat may be - but the other illustrious listed ones proven killed more than 3million Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestines and they keep doing it! And those People were killed in their own Countries, in their own homes… No coalition of willing to protect the Palestinians those have 90% of their land stolen since 1947! Led by most wanted terrorists - and they were wanted by the British authorities like the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1948 - all of the Israeli leadership started as terrorists in groups like Irgun Gang, or the Stern Bandits. They were for example: Yitzak Rabin, Simon Peres. The butcher of Beirut and also the convicted criminal for the massacre of Shabra and Shatiila and later Jenin refugee camps… The other unasked question is: how many Muslim nation attacked any other nations or even started a war? The answer is: 0. To be more correct, only one, and that was the Iraq of Saddam by American instigation! How many peaceful “christian” nations attacked another Muslim or Christian nations??? I am writing about USA/NATO/ISRAEL… Count it!
      Then there is the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, which since 1979 has attacked
      El Salvador (1980),
      Libya (1981),
      Sinai (1982),
      Lebanon (1982 1983),
      Egypt (1983),
      Grenada (1983),
      Honduras (1983),
      Chad (1983),
      Persian Gulf (1984),
      Libya (1986) ,
      Bolivia (1986),
      Iran (1987),
      Persian Gulf (1987),
      Kuwait (1987),
      Iran (1988),
      Honduras (1988),
      Panama (1988),
      Libya (1989),
      Panama (1989),
      Colombia,
      Bolivia, and
      Peru (1989),
      Philippines (1989),
      Panama (1989-1990),
      Liberia (1990),
      Saudi Arabia (1990),
      Iraq (1991),
      Zaire (1991),
      Sierra Leone (1992),
      Somalia (1992),
      Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present),
      Macedonia (1993),
      Haiti (1994),
      Macedonia (1994),
      Bosnia (1995),
      Liberia (1996),
      Central African Republic (1996),
      Albania (1997),
      Congo/Gabon (1997),
      Sierra Leon (1997),
      Cambodia (1997),
      Iraq (1998),
      Guinea/Bissau (1998),
      Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999),
      Afghanistan/Sudan (1998),
      Liberia (1998),
      East Timor (1999),
      Serbia (1999),
      Sierra Leon (2000),
      Yemen (2000),
      East Timor (2000),
      Afghanistan (2001 to present),
      Yemen (2002),
      Philippines (2002) ,
      Cote d’Ivoire (2002),
      Iraq (2003 to present),
      Liberia (2003),
      Georgia/Djibouti (2003),
      Haiti (2004),
      Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004),
      Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present),
      Somalia (2007),
      South Ossetia/Georgia (2008),
      Syria (2008),
      Yemen (2009),
      Haiti (2010)
      Then ISRAEL’s list:
      Egypt,
      Syria,
      Iraq,
      Palestine,
      Lebanon,
      again and again repeatedly.
      Israel has nukes. Illegally. Iran does not.
      Iran not calling for the recognition as a “mad dog”, Israel does.
      Iran did not attack any other nation in the last 200 years.
      USA/NATO/UK/ISRAEL did, more than hundred times!
      So which “gang leaders” world leaders should sit in the dock in the Hague or allegedly sinking to bottom of the Arabian Sea? Osama or the Nobel PEACE Price honored Obama??? Which ones represent clear present and real danger to the HUMANITY?  Osama-Dead-For-A-Long-Time or these remote warriors (remotely - by unmanned drones - killing innocent civilians in Pakistan) Obama-Blair-Netanyahu-Berlusconi-Sarkozy types??? An I dare the feedback moderator to publish this comment! He/she, will not. This truth is too much hot potato.
      Orwell wrote: During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act…

    • Jason says:

      10:11pm | 03/05/11

      Seduxen, have you read your list or did you copy & paste it off some extremist website? I don’t even have the space or the patience to point out all the errors. To point out a couple…

      Nobody attacked East Timor except for Indonesia (a Muslim nation) in 1999 or 2010. The conflict there arose after the East Timorese voted overwhelmingly for independence and Indonesian armed militia started massacring locals with the support of the Indonesian army. It was an attack by proxy and the Western forces stopped it. Ask the East Timorese how they feel about it.

      And Haiti 2010!? Are you referring to humanitarian efforts after the earthquake or the democratic elections? You must really hate humanitarianism and democracy.

      If you’re going to make a logical argument, cut and paste from less fundamentalist sources so that you don’t undermine your own credibility.

      In the meantime, good luck peddling your BS.

    • James says:

      10:15pm | 03/05/11

      Yeah, yeah. Our leaders are the worst in the world so it seems. Look, Osama started a fight and he wanted to provoke a global battle. He shoulders most of the blame and anyone who wants to place it elsewhere is mistaken.

      It’s one thing to respond disproportionately and irrationally to a provocation. It’s another thing to intentionally provoke a war.

      He reaped exactly what he sowed.

    • acotrel says:

      02:47am | 04/05/11

      I am glad that Osama is not around any more to create mayhem.  However when I saw the TV shots of the rejoicing crowd outside the Whitehouse, I felt ill.  Two days ago we celebrated a royal wedding, and I was happy to participate, by watching the entire telecast.  Osama’s death doesn’t give me the same feeling, and I’d be dismayed to think that Australians could ever behave like those people outside the Whitehouse.  I suggest the people of the US should consider their own contribution towards empowering Osama.  For yonks they’ve supported Arab dictators throughout the middle east.  Osama would not have been able to inspire followers simply by telling lies about the west?  There must be an element of truth in his words, however distorted.  I believe that we Australians behave a little differently when we kill.  We didn’t gloat over killing Germans in WW1, ot the Japanese in WW2, however effectively we might have done it.

    • Sam says:

      01:43pm | 04/05/11

      @Tom, so “Iraq” instead of “Afghanistan” is your idea of a typo? No, I don’t think so, I think you’ve just got no idea what you’re talking about. As for trying to make me sound like a terrorist sympathiser, well that pretty much proves how simplistic your thinking processes are. You speak of “tanks” like you have a clue about war, or even fighting for that matter. My heros are not the soldiers who obey without understanding what they’re doing and why it must be done. My heros are not the innocent victims of a flawed ideology, or their non-zealous relatives who happen to be visiting the day their house got blown up. My heros are people like Bradley Manning and Julian Assange and that Tunisian vegetable merchant who set his body on fire, and the assasinated Bhutto and other senior Pakistani politician (can’t remember his name)  who spoke out against the blasphemy laws in Pakistan. My heros are the powerbrokers like Tony Blair that understand that blood must be spilt to change a society just as it had to happen in Europe till they got sick of killing each other, and that the silly facebook addicts must be fooled into voting for it because they’re a useless mob of apathetic parasites who wouldn’t save their mother from drowning. My heros are those who don’t celebrate the death of anyone, not even Hitler’s death should be celebrated. My heros are those who go to the Tutenkhamun exhibition and are not fascinated by the gold or marble carvings but rather prefer to dwel on the significance of reinstating multiple gods that had earlier been replaced by a single God. I see a hero in the mirror and I’m not ashamed to say it. Most of you “civilised people” make me feel sick to be classified as one of your species. Is that too deep for you… grow a heart, your brain might evolve a bit. The lowest of the low is the person who believes wholesale what they read in the media and then pretends to be a champion of free speech!

    • Tom says:

      05:23pm | 04/05/11

      @Sam, at the risk of setting you off again I said yanks not tanks.

    • seduxen says:

      07:18pm | 04/05/11

      So Jason please check your facts.
      East Timor: East Timor finally got independence DESPITE the opposition of Australian Governments!  Yes, they were vetoing it. Yes, betraying the channel 7(?) news crew’s memory. Nixon and Kissinger visited Jakarta on the day of Indonesian invasion, with the only condition to give time to arrive to the continental US, befor they start the invasion… Thanx for all the support that gave to the Australian forces, sacrifising themselves against the the Japanese… Yes you should ask the East Timorese how they felt when the Australian Governments betrayed them again and AGAIN. (Just a reminder: Indonesia illegally explored petroleum from the Timor Strait and shared the lot with the Aussie government. The Timorese Government threatened the Aussie government to take the case to the World Court…)  Haiti: the world sympathy collected more than a billion dollar for the Haitians, the only trouble is that the US refusing to give them even a penny so far, and ever since they still living in squalor and they still waiting for their money… Most importantly you haven’t got a clue about real world events and you have done nothing to debunk the content of my comment… The Indonesian conflict was in 1975! Not in 1999 or 2000! Can you please check your fact, and bring up facts against my comment and not emotions. Or I would call it hysterical…

    • Sam says:

      08:16pm | 04/05/11

      @Tom, If you really want to bring attention to your own poor choice of words then fine ... I think of a “yank” as a friendly American guy like most Americans I’ve met, so my mind obviously didn’t agree with your wording. The idea of “going to Iraq to fight” is more accurately conveyed if you change it to “tank”. Don’t worry, you don’t have to thank me for it. I hope this exchange has given you cause to resume learning. One is never too old to learn something new.

    • Tom says:

      11:38am | 05/05/11

      @Sam, you are either a troll or you are full of it.

    • Septimus says:

      06:23am | 03/05/11

      Unlike the ‘geniuses’ here with their conspriacy theories about how we are all being fooled.  Sometimes I think it would be nice to be so out of touch with reality.

    • Rick says:

      09:00am | 03/05/11

      Septimus .....How sweet to be an idiot

    • Woodsy says:

      10:07am | 03/05/11

      Rick, you obviously have some sort of highly-intelligent conspiracy theory drawn up given your apparent moral highground, so please share?

    • LC says:

      12:05pm | 03/05/11

      Yes, Rick. Do tell us about the things you and your mates have been discussing while passing that bong.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:44pm | 03/05/11

      Septimus,
      Said “sometimes I think it would be nice to be out of touch with reality”.
      Based on your posts, I think you have got your wish.

      The media only tells you what it wants you to know. How often do we go to war based on lies?

    • Sam says:

      02:47pm | 03/05/11

      @LC, as a matter of fact, last night while discussing this with my mates (yes - over a few bongs), I said that I thought that everything since 9/11 was orchestrated as part of a grand plan to change society in the Middle East and further integrate them into the global community… to which my mate rebutted that he thought society in the Middle East was changing anyway because of the internet and that the extremists were trying to re-establish the west as an enemy of Islam as a reaction to the apparent drop in popularity of Islamist views within the Middle East itself. I painted a picture of a grand plan set in motion by international powerbrokers, whereas he painted a picture of an inevitable social phenomenon that couldn’t be hijacked by the extremists. I have one conclusion and one conclusion only… long live the bong. wink

    • Septimus says:

      03:28pm | 03/05/11

      I am pretty sure, you aren’t the voice of reason JAN.

    • John A Neve says:

      04:10pm | 03/05/11

      Septimus,
      I note you failed to address my question!  Too hard for you was it?

    • Erick says:

      06:25am | 03/05/11

      It’s a mistake to put bin Laden at the centre of it all. He was just one man in a movement that encompasses thousands or millions.

      Killing him won’t make the problem of terrorism go away. It won’t even slow down Islamic terrorism. The real enemy is an ideology that justifies the killing of unbelievers.

      Also, the fact that bin Laden was being hidden in a huge compound in the midst of Pakistan’s military elite opens a whole new can of worms. It’s going to be very hard to deny that the Pakistani leadership was complicit in keeping him safe.

    • Seanr says:

      07:48am | 03/05/11

      Agreed Erick, this is an important pyschological victory but in no way will slow down Islamic terriorism.

      Pakistan certainly can’t use the excuse it was one of their more lawless regions, they had to know something, USA should rightly be pissed.

    • CD says:

      08:35am | 03/05/11

      Spot on Erick. If you have no regard for an innocent life that has nothing to do with your war, even less regard for your own life that you are not only willing to offer it up in sacrifice but delight in the martyrdom of giving up that life to take innocents with you there is absolutely no hope.

      It is the one enormous difference now between the evildoers of the past and the terrorists of the present. To them their own death is a desired end for glory.

    • r3830 says:

      08:37am | 03/05/11

      Agree with you Erick. I read a statement some years ago that went along the lines of .... when people change their lifestyles and give up their freedoms in the name of protection from terrorism - then the terrorist has won. Have a look at the way we live now. So, Bin Laden is gone. One man. Unfortunately his legacy, ideologies and support base live on.

    • Kika says:

      09:16am | 03/05/11

      For once I agree with you Erick. Don’t get your knickers in your knot people. It’s not the end of terror. Al Qaeda is an ‘organisation’. It’s not Kaos. I doubt whether there even is sucha thing as ‘Al Qaeda’. They are underground splinter ‘cells’ who work independently fuelling off wahabi ideals of martyrdom. Most terrorism is not done by the ‘baddies’ from the middle east, but home grown disenfranchised people.  They aren’t the Russians, they are everyday kids corrupted with ridiculous ideas of how their individual lives will be made better by taking it out on someone else.

      Who cares if Osama is gone. I am sure there are thousands of others ready to take his place. America has stuffed the world hunting him down. The global economy fell to pieces (what Osama wanted in the first place) and the so called global police can’t find a single man hiding in the mountains of Pakistan what can they do? 

      I wouldn’t be so up in arms about it.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:28am | 03/05/11

      One thing the Americans and the West can sell out of this is the fact that no matter who you are you will eventually be found. Saddam Hussein and most of his henchmen and now OBL.

      That can be the roots of a very powerful statement.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:35am | 03/05/11

      While the belief in the literal word of the Koran exists, this insanity will continue. Where there is Islam, there is terror.

    • Wazza says:

      10:11am | 03/05/11

      There is a massive amount of crap about the freedoms we have given up. Other than having to take off my shoes at the airport (which I have to do at my mums house anyway) I cannot think of a freedom that has been taken away from me. Sure I cant play with explosives, but it wasn’t on my to do list anyway.

    • fml says:

      10:13am | 03/05/11

      Erick,

      Comparisons can be drawn between terrorists and the behavior of the USA, When i saw the americans in the street chanting and carrying flags it reminded me so much of the palestinians dancing in the street in the day of 9/11.

      “Killing him won’t make the problem of terrorism go away. It won’t even slow down Islamic terrorism. The real enemy is an ideology that justifies the killing of unbelievers.” 

      There is more to it than this, Its not just that islamic terrorism has emerged from no where and wants to kill all unbelievers. Your using this as an excuse to paint the followers of islam as terrorists and promote your own agenda. (cue your response but the majority of terrorist are muslim! yes maybe for the last what?10-15 years?) Terrorism isnt an arbitrary action, its a response.

      To fully solve this problem we have to look at the cause of terrorism, namely Western foreign policy and counter act it with education and effective foreign policy and diplomatic relations. There are events which are not the basis of conspiracy theories which has had a major effect on the middle eastern psyche, these include the CIA orchestrated coup of mohammed mossadegh and shah reza pahlavi, the Anglo-Iranian Petroleum company which later became BP and the iran-contra scandal to name a few.

      The constant wars which are waged in the middle east in the name of freedom and the murder of many innocent civillians, all this results in dead fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, in retaliation they dont go join the army, they join terrorist groups.

      I think Australia has the right idea when creating schools in Indonesia, its a non-violent means of political education which would not have previously been available and is much preferable and more conducive to the elimination fanatical thought than wars and shouting death to the islamists.

      Really, To say that terrorism is a result of islam is naive and with out even considering terrorism was around before Islam or the factors over the last 50 to 100 years which has lead to the increase in terrorism is at best uninformed and at worst myopic.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      11:15am | 03/05/11

      fml, more excuses and blame shifting.

      The cause of terrorism is ignorant malcontents believing the insane words of a camel-piss-drinking pedophile are those of a higher power. That is what all terrorists have in common. The literal interpretation of the Koran.

      So why have the terrorists only come onto the scene in the last few generations?

      Technology and travel. A lot of people living in Islamic dominated societies thought they were on a pretty good wicket until modern technology allowed them to witness first hand that they actually existed in a Stone Age nightmare.

      Many immigrated to the west for superior educations and to enjoy our evil western lifestyle and found to their dismay, the local populations thought their dress and customs backward and barbaric. This made them mad. But instead of going home, they selfishly set up camp in ethnic ghettos where no locals would be tolerated. They had the best of both worlds - they could still practice their backward culture while enjoying 21st century conveniences and welfare funded by the local population.

      They should have been happy. But deep in their selfish hearts they knew the locals still secretly despised them and would rarely interact with them socially. Thus their animosity grew.

      They attended mosques and listened as they were told they were special and the locals were actually infidels who must either submit to their social, political and spiritual control or be murdered. The locals didn’t seem to want to submit to their control, this made them mad. Mad enough to kill. The locals rubbing their clear cultural superiority in their face every day just exacerbated their rage.

      That’s the story of what happened before that psychopath jumped on a train in Luton with a backpack full of C4 and rusty nails.

      Any questions?

    • Rob says:

      11:46am | 03/05/11

      Correct. You have to keep on doing this for a while. Keep sending commando teams and blasting terrorists and their supporters into oblivion. What I am waiting for is the new of the next execution and the one after that and so on.

    • fml says:

      12:09pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      “more excuses and blame shifting”

      “So why have the terrorists only come onto the scene in the last few generations?” They havent you only think they have because you correlate terrorism to be exclusive to islam.

      ” lot of people living in Islamic dominated societies thought they were on a pretty good wicket until modern technology allowed them to witness first hand that they actually existed in a Stone Age nightmare.”

      Iran in the time of the shah was a secular country, why was he overthrown and the islamic clerics put in place? Wouldnt a strategic secular middle eastern ally be in the US’s best interest? they over threw a government, which, still has support today and installed an islamic theocracy, but thats just shifting blame, no accountability? And the Shah him self was installed by the US after they overthrew the only democratically elected leader Iran has had in 2500 years, all because Iran wanted to nationalise its oil resources and british petroleum would have none of it.

      “camel-piss-drinking pedophile” words that exemplify a tolerance and respect.

      “welfare funded by the local population.” pure propaganda and lies, show me the statistcs that show the percentage of muslims that are on welfare? no havnt got any? didnt think so.

      “They attended mosques” how dare they, you would of thought this was a democratic country, obviously more so for some, yes there are extremist elements, but once again you are vilifying the innocent many by the actions of the guilty few, and these elements are being actively eradicated from australia.

      “clear cultural superiority” ??? sounds familiar.

      “That’s the story of what happened before that psychopath jumped on a train in Luton with a backpack full of C4 and rusty nails.” Disgusting act, i hope it never happens again.

      “Any questions?” yes, how can you justify vilifying the innocent many by the actions of the guilty few?

    • RickyB says:

      12:34pm | 03/05/11

      Sad Sad Reality, absolutely spot on.Well said.I wonder how many tears were shed at Lakemba,Auburn & Bankstown last night from our own failed, third world minority?More than a few i would say.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      12:46pm | 03/05/11

      fml, he literally was a camel-piss drinking pedophile. He took a 9-year-old wife and drank camel urine on long trips through the desert. Several ancient historians believe this to be the cause of his visions. Apparently drinking camel urine can transmit a virus that causes a form of insanity in humans. Would explain a lot. So, no, my statement was not intolerant, merely representative of the facts.

      Travel to Lakemba, Auburn and Bankstown and have a look first hand at the employment age men and women wandering about with nothing to do all day. Then click the link below.

      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/growing-number-of-muslim-men-and-multiple-wives-exploiting-loophoole-for-taxpayer-handouts/story-e6frf7jo-1225837150560

      Clear cultural superiority is why they’re here. You know a place where people don’t obliterate the local market every second day. A place where even girls can gain an education. A place where you can become an Imam and take five wives while my tax dollars keep you in relative luxury.

      PS: Traveling to a country of inferior culture is usually done under a UN banner with a camera crew in tow.

      Every act of terrorism committed in the name of Islam began at a mosque. Just sayin’.

      Disgusting act which will happen again and again for all the reasons mentioned. Suicide bombing is the Islamic inferiority complex written in blood. And yes it is a distinctly Islamic inferiority complex.

    • fml says:

      01:16pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      Not sure of the camel urine drinking, never heard of it, would like to read more if you have a link?

      “Travel to Lakemba, Auburn and Bankstown and have a look first hand at the employment age men and women wandering about with nothing to do all day.”
      what on weekends? during the week i assume? they dont have days off work? they dont work in that area and are getting lunch? or do you have detailed files of the movements of them all?

      “Every act of terrorism committed in the name of Islam began at a mosque. Just sayin’.”
      Maybe but how many people who attend mosques commit acts of terrorism? rather skewed interpretation of statistics.

      “A place where even girls can gain an education.” Female education is mandatory in all middle eastern nations except for under the rule of the taliban, tarring all with the same brush again at the expense of truth.

      “A place where you can become an Imam and take five wives while my tax dollars keep you in relative luxury.” You are not allowed more than one wife in australia, but going keep making shit up aye.

      From the link you posted.
      “It has forced some families to pay money back.

      Polygamy is illegal in Australia, but a Centrelink spokeswoman said it was not the welfare agency’s job to police polygamy laws.

      “It’s not our concern if they are a member of a polygamist relationship,” the spokeswoman said.

      “We look at whether they are receiving the correct rate of payment. We treat each couple independently.”” So proves, polygamy is illegal in australia and money is being paid back. Also from the comments from the same page.

      “If the payments are based on the husband’s income, then regardless of how many wives anyone has, there isn’t any ‘bonus’ in payment amounts.”
      so payments are based on the husbands income, so they are not getting paid any extra, where is your tax going? no where by the sounds of it.

      Still havent answered my questions which you said i can ask, why did the US overthrow the only democratically elected leader iran ever had and then install a theocracy, then overthrow him and install a religious theocracy?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:41pm | 03/05/11

      fml

      First paragraph

      http://www.answering-islam.de/Silas/shepherds.htm

      I presume the US overthrew the Shah for the greedy desire for oil. Who really cares? If you really believe that explains international terrorism in the name of Islam, I pity you.

    • fml says:

      03:02pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      righto, so you quote a verse from the koran, and apply that to all muslims, your deductional skills are exceptional, once again your ignorance shows no bounds. Bear grylls drinks his own urine as well when he did his australian show when he runs out of water, correlation, desert = hot, lack of water = drink urine, so i guess that makes him a dirty choco terrorist too aye?

      “I presume the US overthrew the Shah for the greedy desire for oil. Who really cares? If you really believe that explains international terrorism in the name of Islam, I pity you.”
      Ahhh so nationalising his countries own oil supply is greedy!! the animal! So it had nothing to do with overthrowing a sovereign nation, an ally no less, just so the US can have cheaper petrol?

      Dont feel sorry for me, i like to research facts before spouting absolute vile untruthful garbage. Just because you cant see that international terrorism is a result of foreign intervention in the middle east and like to attribute it simplistically to islam and its many innocent adherents shows more about your convictions than mine.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:18pm | 03/05/11

      fml. I apply the belief that such a perverted man is perfect to all Muslims yes. Because all Muslims believe this.

      Bear Grills isn’t a prophet with over a billion followers. AKA, who cares what he does.

      Please, you don’t do any research before spouting your brand of vile untruthful garbage, but thanks for being honest about the nature of your posts.

    • fml says:

      03:32pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      ” apply the belief that such a perverted man is perfect to all Muslims yes. Because all Muslims believe this.”

      Absolute lie. You sound like a prophet yourself, you speak for all muslims now?
      Come on, prove to me all muslims believe this. you stated it, now prove it.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      04:18pm | 03/05/11

      @ fml

      The fact that they call themselves muslims is proof enough.

      In order to be a muslim you must believe in islam. islam was created by the prophet mohammad who practised such things. In order to believe in islam you need to believe in mohammad.

      You can spin to the left all you want but it doesnt change this fact.

    • fml says:

      04:39pm | 03/05/11

      Geoff,

      It most certainly is not proof enough, shall we make wild generalisations about an entire group of people based on its weakest link?

      Where shall we start? Australians, Christians, White rednecks, Catholics, Germans???

    • Ripa says:

      06:26am | 03/05/11

      No other person in history? WTH, Hitler? Stalin? WTF are you talking about Penny? What OBL did was evil, but compared to Hitler he was a piss in the ocean. The only thing OBL did was to give the socialists and dictators more reason to grab power.

    • George says:

      07:48am | 03/05/11

      @Ripa

      1st sentence, 2nd paragraph! Read and comprehend before you comment.

      One more thing, if you wish to trivilaise what the ‘mass murderer Bin Laden’ commited against humanity then it leads me to conclude that you are just as complicit and as evil as he is.

      I’ve heard someone like you earlier say something idiotic and tasteless but lives off the hard toil of the wider Australian community his name is Mamdouh Habib.

    • Ripa says:

      08:18am | 03/05/11

      @George
      so Pennys 1st sentece 2nd paragraph elevates OBL to the same murderous level as Hitler??”
      Alright, so please tell me how the deaths of some 80 million people during WW2 equate to some idiot called OBL? We have placed far to much importance on who this idiotic murdere is.

    • CD says:

      08:47am | 03/05/11

      Trust me one day you’ll grow up and be really embarrassed at how naive and ignorant you are today.

    • michael j says:

      10:25am | 03/05/11

      @Ripa- mate 80 million dead for WW2 is way to high,,50 million is the standard body count,,,
      But you may have been mixed up with the body count for the one’s picked out for death from starvation over the next 7 years,,easy to be confused
      especially if you think in US dollars,,
      while i have personally seen no proof that Bin Laden has anythink to do with this,, I have no proof to say otherwise either,,,,,

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      11:32am | 03/05/11

      “But you may have been mixed up with the body count for the one’s picked out for death from starvation over the next 7 years”

      Or more specifically, the countless Germans who were starved to death and killed by the Allies in POW camps following the war. Funny how history is written by the victor…
      People forget that WW2 wasn’t ‘good guys vs bad guys’, how simplistic and morose is that.

    • Rob says:

      12:29pm | 03/05/11

      @michaelj

      While i have personally seen no proof that you had anything to do with this, I have no proof to say otherwise either… ergo

    • michael j says:

      01:13pm | 03/05/11

      @Rob-You can Trust me ,im only the messenger ,not the means,,,
      makes me wonder who wants so much power over life n death though ?
      And why no ones ,Pollies want to talk about it,,,
      Lest Binny’s Death solved most of the problem in Afghan,only got the Drug Dealers to eradicate now,,,,,,,,

    • Sam says:

      03:00pm | 03/05/11

      @George, you can shove it too. What a bunch of idiots rejoicing at the death of a murderer (at best). Good on ‘ya. You like dancing on your enemies’ graves do you? I put it to you that you are no angel either.

    • michael j says:

      10:12pm | 03/05/11

      @ Wynston Cruso—that Churchill was asking for advice on how to kill 650,000 people in 24 hrs before the Allies created the Fire-storm in Dresden certainly makes one wonder about what sort of spoils or justice the Victor wants at times ?
      Still now Bin Laden is gone,there is only a few international drug dealers to get rid of in Afghanistan and my mates boy can come home ?

    • HappyG says:

      06:40am | 03/05/11

      I’m just waiting for Hilaly and other “Australian"Muslim clerics to come out and declare Bin Laden’s death a victoy for civilisation. As usual these fine citizens will remain true to type and their silence on the matter will say it all.

    • Paul C says:

      07:44am | 03/05/11

      @happyg - yes well said, the next few weeks will open many cans of worms.

    • Paul C says:

      07:51am | 03/05/11

      I am really surprised that Obama didn’t wait until nearer to next years election.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:28am | 03/05/11

      This is the real horror we all gloss over. The Bin Laden fans in our own country, sucking our welfare system dry, secretly idolising a mass-murdering psychopath. Of course, pointing this fact out makes you a bigot, a racist and intolerant and whatever other vogue terms can be lobbed at you to enforce your silence. This is called justice in 2011.

    • HappyCynic says:

      10:17am | 03/05/11

      Yeah right, like the press would want to show that.  People have a preconceived idea of Australian Muslims and any statements or declarations that shatter those misconceptions would just be ignored anyway.

      Those like SSR who have their own axe to grind would just shift the bar anyway and continue ranting and raving like a lunatic about some other aggrievance (whether legit or not) and those that know that 99.99% of Australian Muslims are sane, normal and not extreme in any way, shape or form would know the death of OBL is a good thing (or at best not a bad thing).

      It’d be nice, but why bother making a statement that changes nothing and changes no one’s preconceived notions?

    • michael j says:

      10:42am | 03/05/11

      @PaulC—ATM would be a good time for Obama to ask for 3 term’s instead
      of the mandatory two,,,,,,,

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:45am | 03/05/11

      If 99.99% of Australian Muslims are sane and not dangerous in any way I await their senior religious representatives taking to the media to thank America for murdering Bin Laden, the man who had abused their peaceful religion for his own selfish aims. Surely they’re racing to a press conference as we speak. What’s that, HC, silence? Angry silence?

    • fml says:

      11:19am | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      You cant force the media to give you a press conference, the media has to go interview the average muslim on the street, and even then they can pick and choose who they put on tv to forward their own agenda.

      “The Bin Laden fans in our own country, sucking our welfare system dry, secretly idolising a mass-murdering psychopath. Of course, pointing this fact out makes you a bigot, a racist and intolerant and whatever other vogue terms can be lobbed at you to enforce your silence. “

      Who the hell is silencing you?!?!.
      You cant eat meat and expect everyone to call you a vegetarian.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      11:33am | 03/05/11

      SSR - even the Vatican says we shouldn’t be rejoicing in his death. So I don’t think it’s up to Muslim clerics to start patting the US on the back.

      I’m glad they found him but wish they hadn’t killed him.

    • HappyCynic says:

      11:37am | 03/05/11

      @SSR

      Can’t read too well can you?  The rest of my comment explains why they are “silent”.

    • Kika says:

      12:19pm | 03/05/11

      SSR, well it does make you look like a bigot, because the bigotry came from your own mouth (or keyboard).

      As a almost-wouldbe-Muslim, I can tell you this right now. Muslims don’t step up and condemn each other because of the very reasons why we don’t - fear of being fatwa’d by some insane fool somewhere in the world declaring you a sympathiser with the infidels. Look at Salman Rushdie - he had a fatwa against his name and lives in hiding in case some nutbag comes to assassinate him.

      No different from being excommunicated from the Catholic church. No Catholic wants to be excommunicated by the Pope. Only difference in Islam is that there’s no central governing body that calls the shots.

      I wouldn’t be looking to Hilaly’s opinion. He’s a nutbag extremist. I would be looking for moderate voices of Australian Islam such as Waleed Aly or to an extent Keyser Trad.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      12:24pm | 03/05/11

      @fml if Hilaly wanted a press conference over the death of Bin Laden, the media would give him one in a second.

      @Rover, the Vatican has also tried to cover up pedophilia for hundreds of years. So I don’t really care what they have to say. Listening to the Vatican is like listening to Hilaly - strictly a practice for the insane.

      @HC. The reason they are silent is that they are fuming. All else is smoke and mirrors. Begin standard blame shift.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:03pm | 03/05/11

      Beware taqiyya.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:08pm | 03/05/11

      “For those who sympathise with him, OK he died in battle, so they would get some comfort from that,” Mr Trad told the Ten Network.

      Who are those Mr Trad? Are you one of those? Do you know where those live so we can deport them immediately? Will you tell us where those live Mr Trad?

      Taqiyya at it’s best with full media complicity. Lie, reframe, blame shift. Copy book.

    • HappyCynic says:

      01:17pm | 03/05/11

      @SSR

      I’m not seeking to blame anyone or to shift any blame, all I’m trying to do is point out how pointless it is to speak out about something when there is no conceivable benefit to do so.  If you actually had any measure of intelligence (instead of repeatedly trolling like the sad, angry, little, crazy man that you are) you might be able to comprehend this.

      Unless you’re Muslim yourself you couldn’t possibly know how Australian Muslims feel and even then you’d be only one Muslim amongst thousands.  But you highlight my point perfectly, if for example Hilaly spoke out supporting the death of OBL, you’d criticise him for either not doing it straight away or for not speaking out against other things, if Hilaly remains silent you criticise him for it as well.

      The fact is nothing will ever make a misery-guts like you happy, whether the subject is women, men, muslims, immigration, whatever.  Your beliefs on the matter are too ingrained into your psyche and you’re either too stubborn or too stupid (or, most likely, an unhealthy measure of both) to accept any idea that differs to your opinions.  There can be no other explanation for your moronic rants.

    • Kika says:

      01:22pm | 03/05/11

      That’s because SSR shoots from the hip and in line with his own reality rather than fact

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:35pm | 03/05/11

      HC, anyone who believes a camel-piss-drinking pedophile holds the keys to eternal life should be locked up with the key thrown away. By definition, all Muslims are completely insane.

    • Kika says:

      01:49pm | 03/05/11

      Nice paraphrasing their SSR - like the work of a 3 grade university student.
      If you cared to look at the entire article, he mentioned that most Australian muslims would see it as a time to bridge our differences and reconcile, and that most Australian muslims (himself included) are either indifferent or against what Osama stands for.  And he also said that “it now brings hope of closure”.

      Convenient to only paraphrase the sentence which backs up your OWN reality.

    • Kika says:

      02:18pm | 03/05/11

      SSR again, your research is showing.

      No Muslim believes Muhammad holds the key to eternal life. God does! Muhammed was a prophet just as Jesus, Moses, Abraham and the rest.

    • fml says:

      02:21pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      “By definition, all Muslims are completely insane.” Ahhh now i see your not even making sense!

      You deliberately mis-quote an article which was put forward as a rebuttal, Then claim that all muslims are completely insane. I think you will find making up “shit” and claiming it as gospel is a much more apt definition of insanity.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:23pm | 03/05/11

      It was the only truthful sentence in the entire article, Kika. That’s not rephrasing. That’s just insight.

    • frank robb says:

      02:29pm | 03/05/11

      HappyCynic says
      “Your beliefs on the matter are too ingrained into your psyche and you’re either too stubborn or too stupid (or, most likely, an unhealthy measure of both) to accept any idea that differs to your opinions”

      er this statement sounds exactly like islam and its insane followers

      sorry better go self flagellate 1000 times to get allahs forgiveness

    • frank robb says:

      02:38pm | 03/05/11

      @kika,

      you morally lecture people here to check the facts.

      fact is in christianity, jesus was the son of god, part of the holy trinity and was god, not a prophet.

      i find it hard to believe in any religion, but if you are going to justify the practices of islam as true, you should not try to alter the beliefs of other religions to suit your own spewings

    • Kika says:

      02:55pm | 03/05/11

      Frank I wasn’t meaning ‘in Christianity’ I was highlighting the prophets IN Islam. Jesus is one of them! Surprise Surprise. Bet you didn’t know that.

      I am a Christian mind you.

    • Kika says:

      03:09pm | 03/05/11

      SSR - do you even know what paraphrasing means?

      You ripped out a bit of what he said and turned it into what purpose you wanted to serve - that ALL Muslims including Keyser Trad are pro-Osama. The REALITY is that his article mentioned much more than just the sentenace you conviently pulled to prove your own point. And most of what he said went to say that most australian muslims are anti-Osama or indifferent and will look to this as a good thing to help reconcile our communities.

      Just as you did with my posts - you ripped what I said to ‘prove’ I was a Muslim even though I told you I am not a Muslim, but a Christian, however I was studying the religion and may have become one if I didn’t pull out when I realised I disagreed with them.

      Muslims have been in Australia for a long, long time. My local mosque celebrated their centenary year a few years ago. They aren’t a new community. It’s just ratbags like Osama put them on the map and the media made out that they are ALL not to be trusted because of the insane few who want to make out they stand for ALL muslims when clearly they do not.

    • HappyCynic says:

      03:14pm | 03/05/11

      @SSR

      “By definition, all Muslims are completely insane”

      I see, the reason why you think you understand extremism so well is because you are an extremist yourself.  Since all extremists are insane, I posit that you yourself are just as insane as the extremists you rail against.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:30pm | 03/05/11

      Did I, Kika? Or did I merely asked the questions no media outlet in this nation has the guts to ask. Read my post again.

      Indifferent seems like a weasel phrase to me. Would you really be indifferent to a man who was willfully misrepresenting your religion around the world? Would you really be indifferent to a man who has single handedly shaped international public opinion against Islam? Seems to me you’d be overjoyed that such a nutcase was dead so you could get on with showing the world Islam is really about peace, even if it does produce a thousand suicide bombings a year.

      “but a Christian, however I was studying the religion and may have become one if I didn’t pull out when I realised I disagreed with them”

      What did you disagree with, Kika? Was it the multiple wives?

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Until moderate Muslims start dobbing in the nutcases amongst their ranks, I will treat with suspicion anyone identifying as Muslim. It is the only sane course of action in this insane world.

    • Kika says:

      03:44pm | 03/05/11

      Happy cynic I applaud you

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:51pm | 03/05/11

      Do the math with me HC. All Muslims believe Muhammad was the perfect man. Muhammad had sex with a 9-year-old girl.

      From the Hadith:

      Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine.

      Ergo Muhammad is a child rapist. A 52-year-old sleeping with a 9-year-old. Anyone who believes that he is a prophet, believes a 52-year-old man sleeping with a 9-year-old girl is not only okay but sacrosanct. AKA they are completely and utterly insane.

      Here is some evidence of the literal belief in such a practice from our good old friends in Iran.

      “A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.  However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable.  If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.  This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister…  It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home.  Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.” 

      And of course it doesn’t stop there.

      “A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on.  However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm.  He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable. 

      If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed.  The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.” [“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

      People that believe this are sitting next to you on the bus. They are inculcating their kids with these beliefs and sending them off to school. These are not the beliefs of some no-name crackpot, they are the words of Ayatollah Khomeini. If you’re not suspicious of Islam, you haven’t done your homework.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:54pm | 03/05/11

      The horror. The horror.

      “Paedophilia legal in Iran

      In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13.  The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law.  Iran’s clerical establishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality.  The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.”  Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.”

      http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html

    • fml says:

      04:19pm | 03/05/11

      SSR,

      “Would you really be indifferent to a man who has single handedly shaped international public opinion against Islam?”
      Only the ignorant would blame an entire religion for the actions of just one man. Me thinks you were prejudiced before Osama anyway.

      “Until moderate Muslims start dobbing in the nutcases amongst their ranks, I will treat with suspicion anyone identifying as Muslim.”
      how can you be sure this isnt happening already, in the article Keysar says he has absolute faith in our domestic terrorism measures, a resounding endorsement, yes?

      Plus you didnt quote the entire comment

      “”(But for) those who are indifferent, like the rest of us, the vast majority of Muslims in the world who are actually either antagonistic or indifferent to him… this now brings hope of closure.”

      Did you gloss over the part where he said “antagonistic”?
      thats what Kika means when you are paraphrasing to suit your own agenda.

    • HappyCynic says:

      04:42pm | 03/05/11

      @SSR

      None of that crap you’ve just posted is proof that all Muslims are insane.  Every person in the world believes some form of crazy sh!t.  Like some believe some dude was born of a virgin birth, or that shellfish is unclean, or that homeopathy is a legitimate medicine or that aliens exist and abduct people or that Australian politics is interesting (ok those last two groups of people may not be sane) but the point is if the statement “all muslims are insane” is true then so must all other humans.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      05:04pm | 03/05/11

      Who is the ignoramus with an axe to grind now HC?

    • Kevin says:

      05:12pm | 03/05/11

      @SSR
      Listen to yourself.  Your bigotry, smug know-it-all attitude and refusal to see anything that doesn’t conform with you narrow world view means that you have more in common with people like Hilaly and AbuBaku Bashir than with ordinary Australians.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      05:41pm | 03/05/11

      Kevin, All I have done is lay out the truth. The real word-for-word truth of Islam. It is cowards like you who bring nothing of value to the table and assume you are speaking for the majority of Australians. If we had a referendum tomorrow to curb Muslim immigration into this country, it would pass with flying colours. You mark my words. The west is finally waking up to the true backward nature of Islam and all those who practice its perverse teachings. It is simply a matter of time.

    • A The Great says:

      07:23pm | 03/05/11

      @SSR isn’t Ayatollah Khomeini the person that over throw the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi with the Iranian Revolution in 1979 with the help of the English, Americans and even the Soviets and therefore the people that obviously are the core of your belive are the very same people who helped bring this monstar in power to educate the Iranian People for the Last 32 Years and some how we aren’t responsable for anything, Everybody else is instead insane (Its all good while we have cheap petrol BP).

    • SSRB says:

      07:24pm | 03/05/11

      SSR
      Must really suck to live in the parallel universe you inhabit.

    • fml says:

      12:13am | 04/05/11

      SSR,

      You are the epitome of the saying, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    • Tedd says:

      06:52am | 03/05/11

      “The genius of the organisation he formed is that it functions along a simple franchise model whereby any disaffected and fanatical group, in any corner of the planet, can hang out its shingle and operate ... “

      Yep, happening today in several western “civil societies”

    • TChong says:

      06:52am | 03/05/11

      No doubt about evil Osama etc.
      But
      WTC s - the evidence was before us, ( almost ) unarguable.
      The Pentagon?
      No wreckage- wheels, engines, seats , luggage, casualties - nothing.
      Ex Gov. Ventura has an interesting doco. Take away the histronics and show biz, and his case appears not too crazy.
      What really happened ? A plane crash seems very unlikely.
      Missles ? a multi trillion dollar cover up?
      Is it crazy ,or “un american” to think that something isnt correct about sept 11 and the pentagon?

    • james says:

      08:24am | 03/05/11

      Actually there was wreckage at the Pentagon, scattered on the lawn outside. There are many photos of this. There was no wreckage inside the building because metal tends to melt at a much lower temperature than that reached in the fire caused by the crash. Not to mention that there were dozens of witnesses that saw the plane flying low over their heads just before hitting the pentagon. But hey, maybe it was missiles and a “multi trillion dollar cover up” and the families of all the people who were on board the plane are just part of this massive conspiracy, that really seems very plausible. Is it crazy to think that believers in 9/11 conspiracy theories are all just a little bit slow in the head?

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      08:41am | 03/05/11

      Amazing observation. Quickly TChong, better get down to woolies before they run out of tin foil!

    • TChong says:

      08:48am | 03/05/11

      James - trust you have seen the Ventura doco . I dont believe it answers much, or is the only interpretion , but it does go into detail about the penetration of the building,  impact etc.
      Maybe you have seen some later, unauthorised photos perhaps, because I thought the official pentagon pix were notable for trheir lack of plane wreckage.

    • CD says:

      09:06am | 03/05/11

      You left out the other bit TC that every victim’s family was given a cool million to say nothing about the whole conspiracy theory. I’ve read it all and I kind of wonder why no one wakes up to the fact that it would be a great conspiracy to have been out by the very terrorists who committed the horror.

      Nah couldn’t be right surely. Apparently the apologists always find a way to make the west so evil.

    • Kika says:

      09:18am | 03/05/11

      It’s long known Osama was ill and receiving treatment for kidney failure. Getting dialysis out there would have been difficult no doubt.

      Convenient to declare him dead all these years later when the American economy is about to be declared DOA

    • james says:

      09:36am | 03/05/11

      Can’t say I have seen the doco by the great intellectual of our times Jesse ‘the body’ Ventura, but I’m sure his ideas carry about as much weight as Donald Trumps. Have seen other conspiracy theories documentaries though, and I have seen programs that go through and debunk every claim they make. If you have not seen any photos of wreckage from the pentagon I suggest you cast your sources a little wider than Jessie Ventura. There is plenty of photos on the web. Regardless of the abundent physical evidence that shoots down the 9/11 conspiracy theories, one major question remains. Hundreds, if not thousands of people would have to have been in on this plot. Is it really plausible that this many people would wilfully engage in an act of mass murder agianst their own country and not a single person would break their silence on it? And again I ask, what of the families of the people on board the plane? Just do the math.

    • Al says:

      10:08am | 03/05/11

      TChong:

      I suppose you believe bin Laden was also on the US payroll? This explains why he went along with this conspiracy and admitted responsibility for it.

      What else do you believe in?

    • TChong says:

      10:37am | 03/05/11

      Geoff - smart reply too, whats it got to do with what I posted?
      Al - no idea what you are on about either.

    • fml says:

      11:23am | 03/05/11

      @Al

      Osama was on the US payroll for a while, he then turned on America, i cant say why, its true he had his own money but the US funded him as part of the mujaheddin during the Afghan wars against the Soviets, this isnt conspiracy theory.

    • neil says:

      12:31pm | 03/05/11

      Where do these idiot conspiracy theorists come from?

      The plane hit the Pentagon at full speed, 900km/h. The Pentagon is one of the largest concrete buildings in the world, designed to resist aerial bombing attacks.

      Here’s what happens to an aeroplane that impacts a concrete wall at 800 km/h.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      12:48pm | 03/05/11

      @ TChong - Everything. You’re posting up conspiracy theories about how the government is out to get us. Next you will claim they can read your thoughts - hence the tin foil, to wear as a hat.

    • Sodapoppy says:

      01:38pm | 03/05/11

      Shouldn’t you be over at the ABC? Oh,,how Ifeel for all you poor sods, just longing to live in on e of those fantastic foreign lands, but too busy having a good life where freedom prevails!

    • Al says:

      02:28pm | 03/05/11

      TChong:

      Let me spell this out for you, nice and slow. Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the 9/11 atrocity, yet you choose to believe that it was not him after all, but the US and its intelligence agencies. Your crazy conspiracy theories are not even worthy of a bad script for an x-files episode. So I ask again, what other fairy tales do you believe in?

      Clear enough for you now?

      And fml, I am well aware that the Mujahideen were supported by the US during the 1980s. OBL was part of that group until the split in 1988. But implying in any way that somehow he was still on the US payroll or cooperated in any way to cover up 9/11 is absurd.

    • fml says:

      03:07pm | 03/05/11

      Al,

      I dont see a comment from either me or Tchong that states that? actually you were the first to bring it up.

      “Osama was on the US payroll for a while, he then turned on America,” I am pretty sure i said he wasnt on the payroll for all the time.

      What is absurd is you making up statements about what we said and then using it against us.

      Even TChong said he has no idea what you are talking about, me thinks you dont either.

      Debating is easy when you make up facts.

    • roswell gazette says:

      03:18pm | 03/05/11

      Chongy,you obviously dont realise the pentagon is in fact a large flying saucer and it actually landed on the other plane,4 daleks were killed in the incident,their remains were repatriated to sims metal mascot

    • Al says:

      03:36pm | 03/05/11

      fml:

      It is claimed by TChong that 9/11 was a conspiracy conducted by US agencies (please see his post above). We also know that OBL himself claimed responsibility for 9/11. This implies that OBL was also part of this conspiracy. Please go back and read my post again - note that I used the word “Implying”, rather than “stating”.

    • dale says:

      07:03am | 03/05/11

      I fully support the death penalty and it is so good to see such a large portion of people do. You must support the death penalty if you believe this is a just and right act.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:49am | 03/05/11

      Indeed I do. 
       
      I was at a location the day of 9/11 that was playing host to an entire US Marine Expeditionary Force. They left on the next tide for Afghanistan, they had enough firepower to reduce most of Afghanistan and Pakistan to rubble and they were very, very angry. 
       
      Yet, the US waited 10 years, patiently collecting data, then went in and removed a clear and present danger without the death of civilian bystanders. 

      That discipline, that care for non-combatants, is what makes the US and its allies, far different to the Muslim terrorists they face. 
       
      I’m glad they killed him, that at least one of them looked him in the eyes as they shot him like a rabid dog he was ,and that he isn’t free to conduct any more terrorist activities. 
       
      I am also glad that now the whole Muslim world knows that the US will continue to hunt down and kill anyone else who steps forward in the hope of getting 72 virgins for killing innocent civilians.

    • fml says:

      11:26am | 03/05/11

      @Tony

      “Yet, the US waited 10 years,” what the hell are you on about??? Are you forgetting the US invaded Afghanistan? Where have you been hiding for the last ten years??
      Yes OBL was an evil murderer, but atleast get your facts straight.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      11:41am | 03/05/11

      Now wait for the soft left wing nut jobs with their cries of ‘It’s the Wests fault there are terrosrists at all’ and ‘the US kills civilians all the time’. Bullshit rhetoric.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      12:25pm | 03/05/11

      Oops, one beat me to it… case and point, fml.

    • fml says:

      12:44pm | 03/05/11

      Wynston,

      Are you seriously claiming the west didnt invade afghanistan? have you had a lobotomy recently?

      It was in response 9/11 yes, but, tony claims they waited ten years before they went into afghanistan? how does that make me a left wing nut job?

      “Bullshit rhetoric” How? are you claiming the US has never killed civilians?

      I am pretty sure you dont mean either of these things, i am pretty sure your using exaggerations to get your point across, i would ask for that piece of your brain back if you honestly believe the things you say.

    • Steve says:

      01:35pm | 03/05/11

      Dale. Killed in a firefight is not capital punishment. Soldiers kill so they don’t get killed themselves. That is completely just and right. Capital punishment may have taken place had he been captured alive, prosecuted and a death sentence administered. Personally the idea of the risks associated with the trial don’t do much for me so I am relieved that the soldiers hands were forced and he was killed avoiding capture. Let that be what the history books of the future say.

    • Peter says:

      07:05am | 03/05/11

      From the outset, let me say that my political beliefs are from the far right of the political spectrum. However, I find it absolutely repugnant that people are openly celebrating this man’s death. Did he deserve to die for the evil that he masterminded? Most certainly, but in the end, evil though he was, he was a fellow human being.
      To me the sight of people celebrating this man’s death are as repugnant as the vision of radical Islamists celebrating the events of September 11.
      The radical Islamists now have a martyred messiah and although there is little likelihood of him rising from the dead, I fear his death will attract more followers to his radical brand of Islam.
      More bloodshed is bound to ensue as the hatred intensifies.
      It would have been far preferable if President Obama had kept this mission secret instead of grandstanding and big noting himself, a move I fear calculated to improve his falling popularity.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:35pm | 03/05/11

      I agree, our PM Gillard said something fairly repugnant as well.

      But there are others who agree with you.

      ““I would’ve liked to have seen him tried by an international tribunal and made clear that the United States stands for justice rather than revenge.
      “I know a number of people I’ve spoken with and my own group were disappointed as well.”

      She says America should not stand for “revenge and war”.

      “the only way to call it to an end is by using the laws of the community on either a local level or a national level or an international level to bring justice to a situation, not retribution; not more killing.”“

      Frankly I’m sickened by the blood-lust. The USA has shown they are no better than the terrorists they despise.

    • Lee says:

      01:42pm | 03/05/11

      I think its interesting that we, as westerners, get morally outraged at effergies (please excuse my spelling) being burnt of our leaders by extremist groups yet we think celebrating the death of OBL is acceptable.

    • Ando says:

      02:04pm | 03/05/11

      I saw a group gather with candles away from the crowd obviously in rspect of Americans who had died and it was a powerful image. I think that the   majority of Americans like Australians appreaciate the significance of this victory but dont feel the need to take to streets yet. Its not like the end of WW2.

    • stevie p says:

      07:07am | 03/05/11

      You are right David - his targets were ordinary folk, no matter their background or religion - it didn’t matter. I take no satisfaction from anyone’s death but in having a beautiful son-in-law who lost his dear Mum in the London bombings I am satisfied that an evil man has passed and is no longer with us. Justice.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:44am | 03/05/11

      @Stevie, best comment so far, and you’re right. 

      The problem with Osama was not that he had an idealogy or that he went to war, it was the targets of the war.  You don’t punish the innocent for the ‘sins’ of the guilty by trying to define “anyone who isn’t you” as guilty. 

      The man deserves what he got, it is done, and we should move onto the next threat now.

    • CD says:

      09:10am | 03/05/11

      Well said and my sympathies stevie p. Our friend missed that train by 30 mins.

    • Kika says:

      09:56am | 03/05/11

      Stevie - the thing is Osama didn’t ‘do’ any of the terrorist acts. He was a symbol that we all used to find someone easy to ‘blame’ for Muslim terrorists. The London bombings weren’t ‘done’ by Osama but by 3 disenfranchised local kids who all went to the same Mosque who listened to the same ridiculous sermons by a Wahabi Imam encouraging them all to do the unthinkable to make themselves feel like they’ve avenged themselves and have a deserved place in the world.

      Osama loved every minute of being the world’s number 1 scapegoat and relished in the attention. How can he have been ‘doing’ everything from a bunker in Pakistan. Even he admitted he was ‘surprised’ the buildings fell down in Sep 11.

      America stuffed the whole world trying to find this goat herder in the Pakistan mountains so I really hope they are happy that by doing so we’ve all gone down the drain. Osama got what he wanted, the American economy (the power behind their military might) has crashed, they are in debt which won’t be paid off for a long, long time all for what? Another 1000 kids will want to step up now to avenge what the west has apparently done - taken out their figurehead.

      It would be like an Irish republican taking out the Queen. The Queen doesn’t personally do or involve herself in things but she ‘stands’ for something. Do you think orangemen would sit back and accept their figurehead being taken out? Unlikely.

      All I can say is this alleged murder of the worlds real life Carmen San Diego won’t do anything but keep the cycle of tit for tat terrorism going.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:36am | 03/05/11

      @Kika

      1. The men who carried out the London bombings weren’t kids and they weren’t disenfranchised. They were ignorant and evil welfare vacuums.

      2. Wahabi is just another way of saying Islamic. Stop trying to hide the giant ‘I’ behind the little ‘w’.

      3. Osama was not a goat herder. He had a private allowance of $7 million dollars a year, which was invested in arming and training Islamic militants. He was wealthy, high educated and incredibly dangerous, to suggest otherwise is very suspicious.

      4. Another 1000 kids will step up, which is exactly why we should boot every Bin Laden sympathiser out of the country immediately. Let them step up in some middle eastern toilet, not here.

    • Kika says:

      11:55am | 03/05/11

      Sad Sad Reality

      1) They were kids. The eldest was only 30, the others were only 22 and 19. Kids.
      2) And you’re saying being on welfare doesn’t disenfranchise you from being a normally functioning member of society?
      3) Wahabi is NOT Islam. If you think so, then you are just as bigoted and prejudiced as the Wahabis are who believe every westerner is an evil corrupt infidel who deserves death. Everyday Mum & Dad Muslims do not agree with that and uphold the Islamic teaching that killing one innocent person is equal to killing all of humanity.
      3) Yeah he might have had the cash but up to his death he pretty much was a goat herder. If America couldn’t catch him all these years what does that say?
      4) I agree. If anyone sympathises with Wahabi thought in this country should be deported. If they cannot tolerate our culture, then we cannot tolerate theirs. If they are just everyday Sunni or Shiite Muslims who want to live in peace in our country and participate fully with us, I have no problem. But if they want a religious war, they can leave. The same goes for every other religion who cannot live at peace with the rest of us.

    • Kika says:

      11:56am | 03/05/11

      Sorry, forgot to mention the other 18 year old who was involved. So that makes 1 young man, 3 kids.

    • Sam says:

      04:20pm | 03/05/11

      @stevie p, well said.

    • James says:

      07:08am | 03/05/11

      “But for now this feels like the first really good day the civilised world has had in quite a long time. “

      Really? Feels like any other day to me. Last Friday celebrating the wedding of two very in love people seemed like a much better day for the ‘cvilised world’ than celebrating the death of a man.

    • Zinc says:

      09:47am | 03/05/11

      Too right.  Time to turn the page and move on to more positive things.

    • Tim says:

      10:01am | 03/05/11

      Hmm,
      so you think an irrelevant wedding on the other side of the world between some inbred bloke and his sheila seemed better than the killing of a man who changed the entire world’s perception of safety?
      OK.

    • HM says:

      07:10am | 03/05/11

      His actions were undoubtedly hideous, but I can’t help but think the US have validated any form of violent retribution by killing him, rather than bringing him to trial.

    • TChong says:

      07:11am | 03/05/11

      Wasnt that long ago that Howard stated that Al queda / bin laden would be
      “praying” for an Obama win.
      Egg - on -face for the ex member from Benelong.

    • TimB says:

      07:34am | 03/05/11

      To be fair Chongy, that was regarding Al Qaeda in Iraq specifically and he never mentioned Bin Laden.

      Also that comment was in context of Obama’s then pledge to remove all the troops from Iraq in early 2008.

    • jb says:

      07:43am | 03/05/11

      You are kidding right? you need to find something from 2007 to try and make your girl The mugger look good? Wow thats freaking brutal dude you guys just dig in the past like the whole ‘Moving forward’ mantra was just a slogan…
      Wheres that other ex welsh unionist Nostow gone, surely he has a fantasy or 2 to enlighten us with…
      Before you 2 blubber on too much and N comes up with some lame slap about his bromance boi Tones I will leave you with this.
      ‘There will be no Carbon tax under a government I lead’
      Now who was it that said that?

    • TChong says:

      07:49am | 03/05/11

      My error TimB with the original quote, but it doesnt change the fact that Howard actually seemed desperate to clutch at any straw in order to diss Obama.

    • TimB says:

      08:43am | 03/05/11

      Hardly clutching. Howard believed Obama removing the troops that early would be a mistake, and a mistake that Al-qaeda would welcome. All true.

      Obama clearly ended up agreeing with Howard,  because as you might recall the troops wern’t removed in 2008.

      The only clutching here is being done by you, using a 4-year old & out of context quote in an attempt to try ridicule Howard.

      He’s been out of power for 3+ years, does he really scare you that much?

    • TChong says:

      11:35am | 03/05/11

      No TimB , not scared, what would be the purpose of that ?
      Still, you are being a little bit too cute, if you are trying to imply that Howard wasnt playing politics with what he said.

    • TimB says:

      01:21pm | 03/05/11

      Define “playing politics”.

      See I categorize “playing politics” as a pollie doing or saying something which they ordinarilly wouldn’t do…but have made an exception purely to futher their own political ambitions. How could what Howard said possibly benefitted him politically in any way?

      He made an observation that he thought early withdrawal from Iraq, (as proposed by Obama) would be a mistake. He also believed that Al Qaeda would welcome such a development. Do you contend that he didn’t really believe this? If he was “playing politics” as you say, then what do you claim his political motivations were in making such a statement?

      And whilst we’re on the subject of motivation, exactly what was *your* motivation in digging up Howard’s quote? What possible point are you trying to make?

    • persephone says:

      07:22am | 03/05/11

      Hyperbole, much?

      Hitler plunged the world into war. One of the consequences of this war was a massive displacement of population, which certainly changed the way this country developed.

      Stalin helped end Hitler’s war, set up the conditions for the Cold War - which dominated world politics for a few decades.

      Bin Laden killed a few thousand people, inconvenienced plane travellers and provided an excuse for a couple of very minor wars.

      I’m not denying he was a nasty man, but over hype him and you make him more of a hero to his followers.

      Bin Laden’s influence on the modern world - both long and short term - is not at all comparable to Hitler, Stalin, Mao…or (on the other side) probably even Gandi or Mandela.

    • Jay Santos says:

      07:57am | 03/05/11

      “...Bin Laden killed a few thousand people, inconvenienced plane travellers and provided an excuse for a couple of very minor wars…”

      What a pathetic grubby statement.

    • majority says:

      08:34am | 03/05/11

      Pers,  I hope you pronounce hyperbole as “hyperbowl” as per the bogan queen.

    • marley says:

      08:37am | 03/05/11

      Persephone - read Penbo’s column again - specifically paragraph 2.  Bin Laden doesn’t have as many deaths on his hands as Hitler or Mao or Stalin, but his influence is enormous - he’s created open animosity between the Islamic and secular world, he’s developed a model of warfare that targets civilians and uses terror as its main weapon, and he’s started a conflict that could last for generations because it gives focus to a host of religious, cultural and economic resentments amongst his followers.

      Stalinism pretty much died with Stalin.  The USSR was never as ruthless and uncaring after his death as during his life. Maoism ended with Mao.  Look at China now.  Naziism, ditto. But Islamism isn’t going to end with Bin Laden.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:08am | 03/05/11

      Marley,
      Persephone is correct. Bin Laden did not start or creat terrorism, there have been many gorilla/terrorist groups prior to Al Qaeda.
      The IRA, Mau Mau, Klu Klux Klan, Baader Meinhof to name a few. All of them have killed members of the general public and set off bombs in public places.

      There are only two ways a minority group can combat a world power.
      Through the international court or violence, sadly the second option has the most impact.

      This is not really a religious war, rather it’s about a fair distribution of the worlds wealth.

    • CD says:

      09:26am | 03/05/11

      Perhaps you and Ripa could take a history class together. Learn about the psychology of warmongers and understand the world actually advances with technology.

      Who excused Hitler, Stalin or any other mass murderer? This article didn’t.

      Grow up and understand that this is now a psychological war targetting those who had no reason to believe that going to work or on their way to school meant they deserved to die.

      As Jay Santos posted this is a grubby statement and as low as you have ever gotten in commentary.

    • CD says:

      09:31am | 03/05/11

      @John A Neve.

      How much of your wage presuming you earn an income do you give directly to poorer people each pay packet? You know….just to ensure fair wealth distribution or are you one of those hoping to be given some money?

    • Brasil says:

      09:34am | 03/05/11

      Pathetic blame the victim mentality Neve. My neighbor is better off than me, I guess you’d understand if I killed him and his family to more equitably distribute their wealth.  Btw you might remember that the Bin Ladens are one of the richest families in the world.

      You and your pathetic apologist kind make me physically I’ll.

    • Kika says:

      10:00am | 03/05/11

      I can also think of a situation very similar to this.

      A young p*ssed off Serbian man by the name of Gavrilo Princip who assassinated who he thought of as his number 1 enemy figurehead Archduke Franz Ferdinand and bingo… WWI came rolling along.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:32am | 03/05/11

      Brasil,
      Yes, based on my reading you are correct, Bin Laden came from a wealthy family, he was also well educated. So tell us Brasil, why did he not live the life of Riley?
      I’d suggest he had more thought for his country men.

      Time will prove which of us is right, but I’m confident.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:38pm | 03/05/11

      “Hyperbole, much?”

      I think you’ll find that’s pronounced “hyperbowl”

    • marley says:

      01:15pm | 03/05/11

      @John Neve - I understand perfectly well that there were terrorists before Bin Laden - but none of the groups you mention has left the kind of legacy Bin Laden has left.  The IRA has more or less settled down, and the few nasty little offshoots aren’t ever going to be able to deliver the kind of terror that Al uaida and its brethren do. The Mau Mau disappeared with Kenyan independence, the Baader Meinhoff gang had no successors after they were jailed, and the KKK hasn’t committed a terrorist act in 50 years.  None of them will leave a lasting legacy.  Bin Laden will.

      As for the haves and have nots, you might want to try out your homilies on all the Kenyans killed by al Qaida when they attacked the US Embassy there.  Bin Laden didn’t care about riches, true;  but I see no evidence that he cared about his fellow man, either.  This was never about haves and have nots - it was always about power.  Pure and simple power.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:26pm | 03/05/11

      Marley,
      Your post @ 01:15pm, so your point is?
      Every thing I have posted is true and correct is it not?
      As to Bin Laden’s impact on the world, maybe he was better at what he did than the others?

    • Dark Horse says:

      07:22am | 03/05/11

      Mark Twain said, “We should all endeavour so to live our lives that when we die, even the undertaker will be sad.” I never thought I’d be pleased to hear about the death of a fellow human being.  I’m pleased this vermin has gone, but we still have the orthodox Islamic ideology that he and his criminal cohorts promoted ... and will continue to promote. It’s not over yet.

      To hear Obama and others say that this is not a war against Islam is disappointing. Why do they hide the fact that most terrorism (if not all) is driven by Islamic doctrine to kill all infidels and Islamize the world?

      Until they are honest, some uninformed people will continue to believe that, despite the wide ranging murdering going on all over the planet, it’s just a handful of extremists responsible and not a medieval, totalitarian doctrine.

    • PolyWatcher says:

      07:39am | 03/05/11

      The timing of Osama bin Laden’s killing was well planned. Think of this. President Obama didn’t attend the Royal Wedding because he was too busy waiting for the Royal Wedding to conclude before “pushing the button of death” two days later. Think of the havoc if Osama bin Laden had been killed during the Royal Wedding festivities. Another thought Prince William had prior knowledge of the plan and cancelled his honeymoon in Jordan for obvious reasons..

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:51am | 03/05/11

      Oh jesus on a freaking bike, Poly, don’t be so bloody daft.

      No, okay, let’s assume that you and your crackpot conspiracy mates are right, and that the office that couldn’t keep secret how a former President liked to receive the assistance of his interns somehow managed to orchestrate such an amazing piece international logistics & operation such as this.

      Who gives a fat rat’s clacker?!  Does it matter?  No, of course not.

      There is no conspiracy.  They found Bin Laden, they moved in, he resisted, and he found out that hey, bullets work after all.

      As to the other “popular” thought that he’s not really dead and that they’re making this up to avoid the heat on the aborted attacks on Gaddafi, again, this is an international effort, one side of which couldn’t keep photographers away from one of their own family committing adultery naked in a public place.

      C’mon guys, we aren’t that dumb and they just aren’t that smart! 

      Could you even imagine should Bin Laden pop up in a few days time and say “Missed me!”  Really?  It would be the end of all ends for both the US and UK governments.  They just would not risk that.

    • CD says:

      10:06am | 03/05/11

      Nah it was done to screw up the ratings for Masterchef and The Biggest Loser.

    • John says:

      07:44am | 03/05/11

      Meaning less, just a guy with an AK-47 with nothing to do with 9/11. Explosives brought down the towers not Al-Qaeda. The US military should have the gun barrels on heads of those who put the explosives in WTC 1,2 and 7. But there is huge cover up in the US. 3000 murdered and they kill a pasty. While the real killers are free to roam. This is merely just propaganda with Osama Bin Ladin, meaning less figure. Even they admit it now! stating that he was not a head, but some form of spiritual leader, yeah right give me a break! Who cares, he was not behind 9/11. I hope this back fires on obama and that the American’s don’t fall for this manipulation.

    • james says:

      08:31am | 03/05/11

      John, seriously get a grip on reality. Before buying into the whole “nano-thermite brought down the twin towers” mallarky, go and read some of the work debunking the 9/11 conspiracy theories and you will soon learn what a load of total shite they are. If there is one certain indicator of a simple mind these days, it surely must be belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories.

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      08:42am | 03/05/11

      John - tinfoil is not meant to be used for a hat.

    • ashoka says:

      09:52am | 03/05/11

      Yes, it’s all a conspiracy, just like global warming.

    • Will says:

      10:21am | 03/05/11

      The conspiracy theory that there were explosive planted in the WTC is pathetic and so are you for believing it.

      I bet you watched “The Dark Side of the Moon” switched it off before the credits rolled and believed the moon landings were faked.

      Idiot.

    • John says:

      12:31pm | 03/05/11

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

      Here Barry, this one was not even hit by a plane. WTC 7.

      This pretty much discounts the official al-qaeda theory and states all the western politicians, the mainstream media are a heap of liars and deceivers. Also involved in the crime and for also covering it up. They are also responsible for the deaths of western soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan. Where is the justice for the western soliders who died in vain? The justice for Muslims? Where is the justice for those Americans killed by demolitions explosives in the towers? Why do you think people were flying out of WTC 1 and 2? The explosions pushed them out of windows! They didn’t commit suicide or want to jump. Your counter argument? is tin foil? What does tin foil have to with 9/11?

    • LC says:

      02:14pm | 05/05/11

      Yeah John. Sure.
      9/11 was planned and carried out by the government.
      And we never landed on the moon.
      And vaccines were designed by big pharma to keep people sick.
      And fluoride in the water allows the government to control your thoughts.
      And HIV/AIDS was developed in a CIA lab.
      And small microphones and camcorders are fitted in digital set top boxes and new DTV compatible TVs
      And JFK was killed by the CIA.
      And the illuminati are the driving force behind all governments in the world.
      (Rolls Eyes)

    • LC says:

      02:15pm | 05/05/11

      Yeah John. Sure.
      9/11 was planned and carried out by the government.
      And we never landed on the moon.
      And vaccines were designed by big pharma to keep people sick.
      And fluoride in the water allows the government to control your thoughts.
      And HIV/AIDS was developed in a CIA lab.
      And small microphones and camcorders are fitted in digital set top boxes and new DTV compatible TVs
      And JFK was killed by the CIA.
      And the illuminati are the driving force behind all governments in the world.
      (Rolls Eyes)

    • jb says:

      07:47am | 03/05/11

      totally agree, plus the announcement last week from the AQ boys last week about a hidden device in Europe and one has to think that they knew about it too!

    • stevie p says:

      07:53am | 03/05/11

      He wasn’t invited

    • James1 says:

      08:08am | 03/05/11

      I can already see the narrative that Obama is building around this.  George Bush scaled back the war in Afghanistan, in the process shifting the focus from catching or killing Bin Laden, and got distracted with the sideshow that was the war in Iraq.  Obama gets elected, in part on a platform of pulling out of Iraq and refocusing efforts on Afghanistan.  Under Obama’s plan, Bin Laden is killed.  Democrats can now reasonably argue that they do national security better than Republicans.

      You can see elements of this narrative in Obama’s speech yesterday.  It will be interesting to see how it develops.

    • Steve says:

      12:22pm | 03/05/11

      All politition engage in political spin. The good ones do it in a more subtle manner. You can blame him for making the most of this opportunity.

    • Scranbag says:

      08:08am | 03/05/11

      The US President didn’t “not attend”.

      He was not invited.

      Likewise, the Presidents of
      China
      France
      Russia
      were not invited.

      Nor were the Presidents of India and Pakistan.
      Their High Commissioners were.

      etc etc etc etc

      If there’s some bulk email circulating along PWs lines, it’s simply a fabrication.

      Time to do stuff - cheers
      Scranbag

      Punch staff emails to date: none
      Posts moderated to date: nil

    • bill09 says:

      08:22am | 03/05/11

      Will Marrickville Council declare a day of public mourning in line with their anti -Semitic rants ??

    • Cloud Strife says:

      08:27am | 03/05/11

      I can’t say I am sad about bin Laden being killed, but the joyous celebration gave me a bad taste in my mouth - much like AQ’s joyous celebrations watching the Sept 11 footage.

      By killing him outright, instead of bringing him to trial, the US has given AQ a very powerful matry figure. And I don’t mind saying that scares me.

    • Markus says:

      09:42am | 03/05/11

      I actually think killing and burying him that quickly was the smartest possible thing to do in terms of potential backlash.
      Had they brought him to trial, it would just give him a public outlet to make himself an even bigger martyr.

    • Joel "Conspiracy" B1 says:

      08:37am | 03/05/11

      ID “nearly 100%” on DNA. What DNA sample?

      Burial at sea.

      1+1 = poll boost

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      11:11am | 03/05/11

      They took samples from his progeny before they booted them out of the USA after 9/11. They were flown (primarily from Washington) to Texas and then ‘‘evacuated’’

    • Reg Whiteman says:

      08:41am | 03/05/11

      Now that this turd has been flushed, I think a lot of these islamic bullies and thugs will think twice before deciding to martyr the innocent again. The imams and mullahs who pull the strings will now realise that, even if it takes ten years, they will be hunted down and put to the sword. Being back-stabbing cowards urging on others, I think they’ll make a noise and then chicken out.

      It’s time the whole western world stood up to these stinking islamists who have been bullying us for the past 20 or more years - imposing their stupid, backward beliefs, insisting on special treatment, on “respect” for the crap they preach, while hating everything secular democracy stands for. And doing all this while they force their way over our borders as “refugees”.

      We, in Australia, should do our bit by tossing out the Hilalys and anyone else living here who ever mouths the word “jihad”. or demands “respect” for their insane “beliefs”. We should also follow France’s lead and ban that burka shit and Islamic “Colleges” where they brain-wash dopes from the age of about 4 to hate everything that Western civilisation has achieved in the last 1000 years - while the Islamic world has achieved nothing - but enjoy all our privileges while doing it!

      I’m glad the bastard is dead and is now sinking into a grave of whale shit at the bottom of the ocean. We should make sure that the rest of his followers join him as soon as possible.

      All our governments should start growing a spine and toss the Islamic clerics and their pig-ignorant and backward followers overboard as well.

      I, for one, refuse to respect shit and Islam is the greatest pile of it ever invented. I refuse to be bullied by these bastards.

    • Kika says:

      09:47am | 03/05/11

      I doubt it! I reckon this will fuel another generation of ‘martyrs’. I don’t think they’ve played by the rules of war so far, so why would they sit aside and accept defeat. Tit for tat. That’s how they run and they won’t stop because they aren’t a usual ‘army’. They are just everyday angry kids warped into the wrong way of thinking by Wahabi propoganda finding scapegoats for all their problems in life.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:10am | 03/05/11

      Couldn’t agree more, Kika. But drop the Wahabi rubbish, no one’s buying it. Reg is right, the problem is Islam and all those who follow it to the letter. All else is a deliberate attempt to make murky what is very clear. Islam is at the core of 99.9% of terrorism around the world. Until this fact changes, Muslim immigration should be stopped in this country.

    • iansand says:

      10:27am | 03/05/11

      But SSR - the Wah’habi’s are a cult of Islam.  The Saudis, including bin Laden, are members.  The people who flew the jets were adherents.  They are, and have been for a couple of decades at least, been funding madrassas that teach their beliefs.  And a central tenet of their beliefs is a battle between Islam and the kaffirs.  On what basis is that connection rubbish?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      11:18am | 03/05/11

      A cult of what iansand? Islam? ISLAM? Yes I know.

      It’s the obvious attempt by, Kika, and yourself to shift the blame to a strain of Islam. When the problem is Islam. The religion from the ground up.

    • fml says:

      11:35am | 03/05/11

      “I, for one, refuse to respect shit and Islam is the greatest pile of it ever invented. I refuse to be bullied by these bastards.”

      Your all class. Im glad the bastard is dead too, killing innocents for what ever reason is abhorrent. That attitude is just as divisive as what you claim islam to be.

      “pig-ignorant and backward” yes you are, Its just as morally inept to vilify the many innocent by the actions of a guilty few.

    • RGG says:

      11:42am | 03/05/11

      “while the Islamic world has achieved nothing”

      Umm… you know Arabic numerals? That’s 1, 2, 3, 4, etc? Yeah.

      Let’s not even get started on medicine, surgery, and the basis of most modern mathematics.

    • Kika says:

      11:59am | 03/05/11

      SSR you are wrong. And no one is ‘buying you’ Wahabism IS the cult of Islam most of these terrorists follow because they teach that jihad MEANS religous war and every single one of us living in the west (including other muslims living and residing here with us in peace) are infidels and deserve to die.

      Sunni, Shiites and Sufi’s do not agree and hold that jihad means ‘personal stuggle’ and not religious war.

      SSR the more you pretend you know what you are talking about, the sillier you sound.

    • fml says:

      12:12pm | 03/05/11

      @RGG,

      Thats all true, also it was the middle eastern scholars that preserved and advanced ancient greek and roman thought when the europe was in the midst of the dark ages.

    • Cuppa says:

      01:08pm | 03/05/11

      FML, i guess with muslim countries & technologies being so advanced & all those same countries would be peacefull advanced nations & the populations would never try & flood across the borders of western nations to get a better life(& welfare).Ohh wait…....

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:11pm | 03/05/11

      Kika, you’ve already admitted you’re a Muslim troll, so I’ll take your version of events with a grain of salt.

    • Kika says:

      01:54pm | 03/05/11

      Again SSR, taking what you want from something to make it into something which serves your own purpose.
      I never became a Muslim. If you read what I wrote I said I left because I didn’t agree with them and didn’t like that they only valued me as a woman to be someone’s wife. I am a Christian and go to Christian churches.

      Seriously, where did you go to school? Did you? Did you ever learn reading comprehension? No that’s right you don’t need to read and understand because you believe in your OWN reality rather than truth.

    • fml says:

      01:55pm | 03/05/11

      Cuppa

      Flood? barely a trickle,

      What does that say then about Kiwis, Italians, British and every other immigrant? Are you saying because if even one person of another nation wants to come to australia, therefore is proof that Australia is better than that country in every single conceivable way? Or are you singling out muslims?

      And what about the Australians that migrate to another country does that mean that the other countries are better than Australia?

      Oh wait .., still waiting.

    • Cuppa says:

      03:17pm | 03/05/11

      FML, how many Australians, British & Italians have you seen jump on old fishing boats after crossing half a dozen nations & then try & sneak in the back door of another nation.I mean after all, muslim nations are such beacons of peace, democracy & technology& they offer such a high standard of living, who wouldnt want to live there?ohhhhh wait…......(and by the way, yes, i do think Australias culture is superior to any muslim nation.We are only 200 years old but we are leaps and bounds above any middle eastern nation(besides Isreal) in the world.But hey, they have only had a couple of thousand years to dig themselves out of the stone age)Get used to it cupcake.  smile

    • fml says:

      03:41pm | 03/05/11

      Cuppa,

      My kingdom for somebody to define racism again! let me do it for you,
      “The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. “

      “We are only 200 years old but we are leaps and bounds above any middle eastern nation” race - check.

      ” i do think Australias culture is superior to any muslim nation.” Compare one to be superior to the other - check

      Get your self out of this one, or are you proudly racist? a fine example of a product of democracy, technology, freedom and tolerance.

      “how many Australians, British & Italians have you seen jump on old fishing boats after crossing half a dozen nations & then try & sneak in the back door of another nation”

      The first fleet.

    • Sam says:

      04:14pm | 03/05/11

      @Cuppa, have you been to Italy? Do you know how the Italians live in Italy? That’s the real shit hole in this world.

    • Reg Whiteman says:

      09:19pm | 03/05/11

      What an ignorant fool RGG is. tThe numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 are not Arabic at all. If they were, or are, why are they not still using them? Do a bit of research, dope.

      Yes, the Arab world did produce many great thinkers and did keep the learning of the ancients alive - right up until they codified islam, created the koran, and everything came to a screeching halt and has stayed that way for WELL OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.

      Like all religions, only moreso, islam ensures the triumph of ignorance, superstition, and backwardness. Everywhere the stinking hand of religion touches there is death, misery, backwardness and insane fanatics ready to kill anyone who does not share their psychosis.

      I have no doubt that, very soon, some loony islamic cleric will claim that Osama bin Laden did not die but, instead, allah provided him with a winged horse and he rode it up to heaven.

      The sooner the world hangs every pope, preacher, rabbi, imam and fakir, the better things will be - and every copy of every holy book ever written should go on the funeral pyre with them.

      Without religion there would have been no 9/11, or Bali, London, Madrid, Bombay etc etc for the last 10,000 years. It is high time this insane cancer of religion was excised from society and anyone who seriously believes it locked away in an asylum with all the other loonies who believe they get extra-terrestial instructions telepathically through their hair-dryer.

    • Cuppa says:

      03:17am | 04/05/11

      Sam, that would be the same ‘filthy’ Italy that Tunisian & Lybian muslims are flooding into in their thousands because it is a step above their original sh*tholes?Says alot about the standard of living in a muslim country doesnt it?

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      09:21am | 03/05/11

      What’s with the stupid American saying “911 changed everything”? It did not change anything for me, apart from the added annoyances in airport security, and it did not change me.

      This world is not governed by the USA and most people don’t give a damn about the country anyway. It is quite a funny thing really, that Americans think the rest of the world cares about American issues. We don’t.

    • Kika says:

      10:09am | 03/05/11

      Well Thomas before 9-11 America was the number 1 economy in the world. They are now trillions in debt and our entire monetary system has been jeopardised because of the billions of dollars invested in hunting a goat herder down in Pakistan and a by-war in Iraq to get rid of despot dictator of a collapsed country. Then they realise they’ve stuffed the entire countries they’ve invaded who have never in their entire history known what democracy means and lie to us all convincing us that they are doing good humanitarian work there to ‘install democracy ...for their people… not us.. I swear! Not us! We don’t want them to be free trade markets so our multimillion dollar businesses can buy their oil’..

    • Steve says:

      12:09pm | 03/05/11

      The GFC can be traced to 11/9/2001. Artificially low interest rates following the attack resulted in the bubble that burst. US stimulas spending to ward off the GFC has failed, as it was destined to, which will result in a more serious GFC 2. Don’t delude yourself that this hasn’t or won’t affect you.The global economy is not unhinged from USA.

    • Tedd says:

      12:30pm | 03/05/11

      Yes, America’s demise and the GFC can be tied to 9-11.

      The world is unhinging form the US, adding to its further demise.

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      01:23pm | 03/05/11

      To be honest, ever since the GFC, I have been able to purchase more and more things for myself because of the strength of the ever rising Aussie dollar. I did not get laid off, and there are ample employment and business opportunities for myself and those around me. Let’s face it, Australians have never been better off financially.

      Still, that is hardly “everything”. I still eat the same food, I still dislike terrorist as much as I always have, and not more, I do listen to different kinds of music now, but that is hardly the result of 911. 911 did not change everything, all it did was gave the US an excuse to start these wars which boost their economy greatly. Without 911, there would just be another excuse.

      And you can see how your economic argument is flawed, don’t you? If not for these wars, the US economy would be in a much worse position than it is now. A war is one of the greatest economic stimulants available, the amount of jobs a war creates is colossal. Now, I will not go as far as to argue that this is the only reason for these wars, but even if it wasn’t a reason, it still remains to be a result. Controlled wars on foreign soil are great for economies.

    • Kika says:

      02:00pm | 03/05/11

      Thomas the higher Aussie dollar will be short lived. We’re piggy backing on the mining boom and will crash as quickly as the Americans will.

      Doesn’t it appear odd that we’re floating so high? We’re cruising in a bear market which will crash again once investor confidence plummets (especially in China) once the USA crashes once and for good.

    • Steve says:

      02:16pm | 03/05/11

      Thomas. Even in the great depression 70% of the population had a job. Asset prices tanked and many of todays wealthy families can thank their ancestors for having the courage to aquire assets while they were cheap. Having said that I would not argue that is was a good thing because of the suffering of the 30% unemployed. The GFC is not over it has just been delayed by a stimulas bubble. The stimulas bubble was used to replace the real estate/credit bubble which burst in the USA. It is no different from trying to avoid a hangover by staying drunk. What can we replace the stimulas bubble with when it bursts?

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      02:38pm | 03/05/11

      The dollar may plummet or not, who knows? But my gadgets, games and books that I bought on cheap will stay.

      Back to original argument, did 911 change something for me? Yes, it may have made my life a little better through the GFC.

      Did 911 “change everything”? No.

      Are most Americans brainwashed by their government? Yes.

    • rpn says:

      03:14pm | 03/05/11

      And yet here you are posting on this story. So apparently, you do care about what you claim not to care about. Hypocrite.

      Oh, and that “stupid American” is a hell of a lot smarter than you - but then again, so is your average paper napkin.

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      03:48pm | 03/05/11

      @ rpn

      Do you know how I can tell a stupid person from someone who is at least somewhat brainy? The stupid person, before adding a comment to the conversation, will either not listen to what was said previously, or, will not understand it. I don’t know which one of the two options you went with, but I am sure that if the former did not occur, the latter did.

      I don’t want to say that I am most definitely smarter than 90% of Americans, because that would just be a roughly calculated educated guess, so I will just say that my IQ is one and a half times the IQ of the average American.

      Point in question - “911 changed everything”

      Reached verdict - “911 did not change everything”

      911, to me, was an interesting news story, not a heartbreaking, patriotic feeling invoking incident. I do feel sorry for the people that died, just like I feel sorry for people that die elsewhere. Terrorism is a world issue, poverty is a world issue, war is a world issue. Two stupid buildings falling down in New York is not a world issue. The earthquake in Japan was worse than 911, the USA bombing of Yugoslavia was worse than 911. 911 did not change jack, get over it, we do not care.

    • LC says:

      09:40pm | 05/05/11

      No Thomas, WE do care about 9/11. >YOU< don’t. Avoid get those mixed up.

    • Ash says:

      09:24am | 03/05/11

      One one hand, I’m happy that the bastard is dead.

      On the other hand, I’m worried. Al-Qaeda has cells all over the world (including Australia). These cells are all angry, extremist psychopathic young men who have just heard about their idol being killed by the USA. They’re gonna be mad and I would bet anything there’s gonna be revenge attacks of some kind.

      Still, we can’t let our civilisation be brought to its knees by the fear of a few whackjobs.

      To Osama: enjoy your 72 fat, ugly, hairy arsed virgins. I hope that the SEALs wrapped you in bacon before they chucked you in the ocean.

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      04:13pm | 03/05/11

      WOW

      With that sort of wit and intelligence, you should be in the Army.

    • Bill of Queensland says:

      09:25am | 03/05/11

      Jihad and terrorism will continue regardless! The goal of Islam is to take over by force or by weight of numbers and impose Sharia law! Their tactic is to suspend Jihad when met with too much resistance, start again when conditions are favourable. European countries such as Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden and Switzerland have discovered that they have allowed entry to an inimical group which aggressively demands special treatment and steadfastly refuses to integrate with the host society. The Quoran is filled with commands to murder non-Muslims which, if preached by any other group or printed in any other publications, would be prosecuted as incitement to hatred! Muslims cannot blame extremists! The steps outlined in Future Jihad by Walid Phares are clearly evident. 1)Ideological penetration through funding of university courses. 2)Mollification of the public by indoctrinated graduates from 1. 3)Infiltration of government and organisations to spread propaganda. 3) Undermining democratic institutions whilst being protected by the laws of the country. 4)Infiltration and influence of foreign policy. 5)Strike! Our blind Government is failing in its core responsibility, to protect Australians!

    • John says:

      01:35pm | 03/05/11

      Who allowed them in and still allows them in? Current Governments. Just put the Nationalists in power and the flood gates will be closed with in hours they are in power. The problem with western politicians they all follow the International Marxist agenda. Which means all nations, cultures and religions must be convert to the marxist cause. So in a sense Muslims are in Europe to fight for their interests which is multiculturalism or an Islamic state. This benefits the international Marxists as the Europeans Christians politically and culturally get stuck in the mud, as the minority’s groups push for their interests, which seems to be international marxist interests. What Nationalism would do with in a week, is just get rid of the International Marxists and then disband multiculturalism and stop immigration, create strong police force to deal with minority crime.

    • Mark Smith says:

      09:38am | 03/05/11

      Bin Laden was not assassinated or otherwise killed contrary to law. He was a wanted felon who resisted arrest. This happens in Australia as well, and we don’t even have the death penalty.

      Furthermore it is a good thing that he died rather then being bought to trial. A trail would have taken a long time & the appeals years. While this was going on fanatics would have been killing innocent people while demanding his release. Those who wish he was bought to trail are foolishly preferring form over substance at the cost of peoples lives.

      Disposal of the body at sea was a good idea as well, a grave would have become a shrine to evil.

      It is difficult to believe that a walled compound without telephone lines but with a huge satellite dish, where the garbage is burnt instead of placed for removal, some hundreds of meters from Pakistans version of West Point was not noticed by the Pakistan intelligence service. Lip service will be given to the idea off Pakistani co-operation, but I have no doubt that this operation was kept secert from Pakistan.

      “The Pen is mighter then the Sword”. Why? Becouse a sword can kill one person at a time. The pen is capable of causing a million swords to kill a million people at a time. This is the link between Hilter & Bin Ladin, they where both prophets of evil. So far Hilter was more successful in evil then Bin Ladin, but nazism is almost dead, islamic terrorism is not. If Pakistan & her nukes falls to this evil then the WW2 death toll may yet be exceeded.

    • Kika says:

      01:36pm | 03/05/11

      But the question is, why? The number 1 baddie in the whole world dumped in the sea? Even the Sri Lankan government posted pictures of the dead LTTE leader Prabahkaran to show the world they won! Doesn’t appear odd that they wouldn’t have wanted to show off that he actually and really was dead?

    • Zafa SMITH says:

      09:38am | 03/05/11

      I remember the WOMD claims well and my feeling of unease - so Obama is not doing well in the USA, and he needs a miracle - and here comes Osama - “we have the body” they say - but wait - the body has been buried at sea - slid into the water” - and “we also had some tissue from his sister for matching” in case anyone doubts it was his body - James Bond eat your heart out -

    • St. Michael says:

      11:00am | 03/05/11

      Pity, that, since Al-Qaeda in other countries has been reporting that their “Pakistani” brothers have confirmed the story.

      Although I think it was a dumb idea to get rid of the body at sea, too.  They could’ve done that after leaving it in a gibbet at Ground Zero for a couple of months.

    • Ando says:

      02:26pm | 03/05/11

      St.Michael,
      I agree Its him and it happened but thats one thing I dont get. They gave 2 reasons for the sea buriel
      1. Muslim tradition- Hardly a considereation while at the same time rightfully saying he doesnt represent Islam.
      2. so people cant visit his grave . Why not dump in the sea later?

    • sir ronald bradnam says:

      09:40am | 03/05/11

      Will it change anything, who knows at least he got his just deserts. I for one will behaving a pork chop for dinner washed down with lashings of alcohol all the while looking at my beautiful naked wife, while watching sport and music videos on TV. Dont rest in peace.

    • Good Riddance says:

      10:14am | 03/05/11

      At last this poor excuse for a human being has bitten the dust and true to form, has died hiding behind one of his wives .  At least his existence has served a practical purpose by contributing to the food chain in the form of fish food.  Nice to see he was good for something in the end.

    • Steve says:

      11:59am | 03/05/11

      Life is so fickle. Today number one most wanted, tomorrow fish poo.

    • Tiny Tina says:

      10:16am | 03/05/11

      Osama is no difference to the Bush and Obama Administration. Both have arranged the death of thousands of people, Bush and Obama arranged the death of thousands of their own people.

      No death should be celebrated. not even this evil man. But why have we not chased up the American government about their involvement in illegal wars, and the war crimes they have committed?

    • The Friend says:

      10:16am | 03/05/11

      Congratulations to Americans! Now they lost justification to wage the so called war on terror but in search of terrorists though they can have a look at themselves in the mirror.

    • tflip says:

      10:26am | 03/05/11

      What a silly article. Bin Laden as much of a monster as Hitler or Stalin? please… a couple of thousand victims by an organiser of fanaticism does not come close to the cold blooded mass murder of millions the two 20th monsters perpetrated.

      Most of the misery that came out of Sept 11 came as a result of the attack on the liberties of people everywhere by a bunch of hard line right wing thugs in the White House led by a dimwit. 9/11 was one (spectacular mind you) terrorist incident, the decision to declare a “war” and go about unilaterally torturing and bombing as well as winding back democracy at home was done using Bin Laden as an excuse. If Bush and Bin Laden had not had one another they would have had to invent them.

      AQ was/is a threat to innocents but never a threat to our democratic system, like most terrorist organisations it has little popular support, that’s why it relies on terror. You can now bet that with Bin Laden gone the authorities will still keep talking up the fear, too much of their power and profits depend on it.

    • LC says:

      11:55am | 03/05/11

      Bin Laden still played a part in killing 10’000s of mostly innocent people around the world. He may not have the body count of Hitler or Stalin, but this does not make him any less of an villain.

      Al-Qaeda is not a threat to democracy itself, but it is a threat to the wellbeing of people fortunate enough to live in democratic countries. That is why we are hunting them down and why I support that.

      Won’t argue with you on that second paragraph though. Policy influenced by hysteria is never good policy. On the bright side, Australia’s anti-terror laws are much fairer than the PATRIOT act.

    • mark says:

      10:38am | 03/05/11

      American F##K YEAH!

      Coming again, to save the mother f&%ing day yeah

      ...unfortunately after 10 years and 2 trillion dollars

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:34pm | 03/05/11

      One would hope the immortal line:

      “Hey terrorist, terrorize this!” was uttered at some point

    • Rob Moxey says:

      10:41am | 03/05/11

      If Osama wasnt then certainly the masterminds of the Taliban and the people in Saudi Arabia who dont let woman walk around without an chaprone.

    • Al Chunk says:

      10:44am | 03/05/11

      Julia Gillard stated that justice had been done.  All of a sudden killing a murderer is justice.  What about murderers at home then? are not the relatives of the victims equally affected by abominable behaviour and have all our murderers not received this justice?  I really am confused what the legal system is supposed to do and that justice and capital punishment is a quantitative issue.

    • Steve says:

      11:50am | 03/05/11

      Al Chunk. Reports state Osama was killed in a fire fight. To date nothing has come to light to suggest otherwise. Ther action took place in Pakistan by US soldiers. The action has no impact on capital punishment in Australia. Please allow polititions to make statements such as “justice has been served” for no ther reason than it may give comfort to the family and friends of osama’s victims. Let them have that without this becoming a call to arms for the anti capital punishment brigade.

    • Al Chunk says:

      12:09pm | 03/05/11

      Steve - I agree with you entirely, the death of a murderer gives “comfort to the family and friends” so how come this exists in some cases and not others.  Of course politicians can say what they like, but not if it is a glaring double standard and throws previous anti capital punishment arguments out of the window.

    • Tedd says:

      12:32pm | 03/05/11

      Retribution, yes. Justice, no.

    • Steve says:

      01:13pm | 03/05/11

      Ted. I think retribution is a legitimate aspect of justice. Criminals are locked up for a number of reasons. Punishment (retribution), deterrent, rehabilitation and protection of the community. retribution can give comfort to victims.

    • LC says:

      04:50pm | 03/05/11

      I wish they bought him back alive too. Why? Because they can do a Saddam Hussein on him: Capture him a broken and disgraced man, parade him around for the world to see, and then finish him off by slow lethal injection with nothing he can do to stop them or even better, left to rot in a cold 3x3 meter jail cell with no contact allowed with the outside world, being fed on stale bread and tap water. Because that would absolutely destroyed Al-Qaeda’s morale. As it is, by jihadist standards he’s now a martyr; he defiantly stood against the “infidels” to the bitter end.

    • LC says:

      09:21pm | 06/05/11

      On second thoughts, bringing him back alive means spending millions on the trial (not just getting a case together, but also all the extra security), delays caused by appeals after appeals only for him to probably end up executed anyway. And in the meantime, innocent people will be kidnapped and possibly killed too by Al-Qaeda demanding his release.

      Pick your poison, I guess.

    • JT says:

      10:51am | 03/05/11

      One thing this has done for us readers at The Punch is allow us to pinpoint exactly who the nutty truthers are e.g. Rick, TChong, Kika, Persephone, John A Neve and a few others. This should make it a lot easier to ignore their asinine ramblings in future.

    • Kika says:

      12:05pm | 03/05/11

      JT If only I was a truther… I wish I was a conspiracy theories, but alas I don’t buy into the truther movement. Shape shifters and the Illuminati maybe, but not truthers. Just kidding.

      No, I am just someone who knows a bit about Islam as I was about to ‘revert’ to their faith before I found out I was merely being set up to be someone’s wife (or second wife as I suspected). It wasn’t for me, so I left.

      I’m also not a sort of person to buy into American propoganda so I have little faith in their media purporting that they’ve killed Osama this close to their next elections and this close to their complete financial collapse.

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:24pm | 03/05/11

      You forgot me JT.

      And let’s be thankfull we can now tell the sheeple posting at the Punch too, hey JT?

    • hot tub poltical machine says:

      01:35pm | 03/05/11

      Shape Shifters *and* the Illuminati? Maam, they are one and the same. Also, they are controlled by attractive teenage vampires, cuz that’s what’s trendy this month

    • Kika says:

      03:51pm | 03/05/11

      Now the teenage vampire cult is waning… it’s Justin Bieber this month. He’s a Shape Shifter for sure. Look at the hair. The suspicious back pain and egging? Shape Shifter! No kid is that precocious.

    • Anna C says:

      10:55am | 03/05/11

      I cannot believe the level of sympathy for Osama Bin Laden and the justifications for his evil actions. Whilst his death is no doubt devestating for his family and friends; do not forget for one minute that he would not have hesitated about killing you, your family and your friends.  He was an evil mass murderer end of story. He does not deserve your sympathy. Yes, he may have been human, but his actions were totally inhumane.

      Contrary to what a lot commenters are saying, there is nothing wrong with people celebrating his death. This man has brought nothing but misery to thousands of people around the world and has changed our way of life (not for the better). People who lost their loved ones in the twin towers, Bali bombings, Afghanistan have had to endure years of waiting and hoping that they would see some kind of justice for the deaths of their loved ones. It is easy to sit in judgement of their families and friends who are now rejoicing at the news of his death, but think about how you would feel if he killed your loved ones? How would you react?

      As far as I’m concerned it is good riddance to bad rubbish. I am glad he is dead. I’m glad that the Americans didn’t take him alive, so that we won’t have to endure the trauma and expense of a trial for this bozo. Rot in hell Osama. Where are your 48 virgin brides now ha you moron????

    • Tanya says:

      01:57pm | 03/05/11

      I disagree, Anna C.

      Nobody other than an extremist or a sympathiser could condone or ignore the actions of this man, nor would they disrespect the sacrifice of so many western soldiers.

      I will never forget the images of 911, nor will I forget the effrontery of my father, a gentleman and a WW2 veteran, at the news that Al Qaeda sympathisers were dancing in the streets of his suburb on the day.

      But the war on terror, like any other war, is a human tragedy. The execution of Bin Laden is just the latest in a long line of bloody atrocities leading up to it and throughout it. We cannot be seen to celebrate violence or we risk our integrity as a community of nations that reject it, to say nothing of what those scenes of jubilation have the potential to incite. There is nothing whatsoever to celebrate in war other than the end of it and this isn’t it.

    • Sam says:

      05:07pm | 03/05/11

      who says we have any sympathy for him, we just don’t think there’s anything to celebrate here.

    • Anna C says:

      10:55am | 03/05/11

      I cannot believe the level of sympathy for Osama Bin Laden and the justifications for his evil actions. Whilst his death is no doubt devestating for his family and friends; do not forget for one minute that he would not have hesitated about killing you, your family and your friends.  He was an evil mass murderer end of story. He does not deserve your sympathy. Yes, he may have been human, but his actions were totally inhumane.

      Contrary to what a lot commenters are saying, there is nothing wrong with people celebrating his death. This man has brought nothing but misery to thousands of people around the world and has changed our way of life (not for the better). People who lost their loved ones in the twin towers, Bali bombings, Afghanistan have had to endure years of waiting and hoping that they would see some kind of justice for the deaths of their loved ones. It is easy to sit in judgement of their families and friends who are now rejoicing at the news of his death, but think about how you would feel if he killed your loved ones? How would you react?

      As far as I’m concerned it is good riddance to bad rubbish. I am glad he is dead. I’m glad that the Americans didn’t take him alive, so that we won’t have to endure the trauma and expense of a trial for this bozo. Rot in hell Osama. Where are your 48 virgin brides now ha you moron????

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:08pm | 03/05/11

      Four good reasons to take him alive:
      1) He would provide invaluable intelligence on the rest of Al Qaeda organization.
      2) He wouldn’t be a martyr figure.
      3) He would debunk all those wild conspiracy theories about 9/11
      4) He might confirm the level of support that Pakistan has provided the Taliban / Al Qaeda in the past. (possibly embarrassing to U.S.- Pakistan relations)

    • Anna C says:

      01:38pm | 03/05/11

      Yes,  Shane from Melbourne while I agree it would have been helpful to take the guy alive, he resisted the US’s attempt to do so and chose to die the death of a martyr.  If it was a toss up between either option 1 - the US killing him outright or option 2 - the US taking the chance of capturing him alive but him escaping; then I am glad they chose option 1.

    • Anna C says:

      01:38pm | 03/05/11

      Yes,  Shane from Melbourne while I agree it would have been helpful to take the guy alive, he resisted the US’s attempt to do so and chose to die the death of a martyr.  If it was a toss up between either option 1 - the US killing him outright or option 2 - the US taking the chance of capturing him alive but him escaping; then I am glad they chose option 1.

    • ando says:

      03:14pm | 03/05/11

      “I cannot believe the level of sympathy for Osama Bin Laden”
      Probably because there isnt any

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:00am | 03/05/11

      “The world will be relieved that he is dead.” A good way of putting it without joyously revelling in an assassination. Where is the great Christian tenet “love the sinner hate the sin?”
      The joyous celebration by the Americans demonstrates once and for all that Christians are the same as Muslims.
      The question, “Is murdering a murderer murder?” If not then any head of state can logically justify the assassinate of anyone in any sovereign state.
      Judicial process is one of the greatest protections of human rights there is and if it is to apply to the weak it must equally apply to the strong.
      If the USA can assassinate bin Lade it can assassinate you, me or anyone else at the whim of the executive.
      The ends do not justify the means. Ever.

    • Barry says:

      11:18am | 03/05/11

      The USA stated that they would have liked to take Osama alive, which would make sense, since he would have valuable information.  Apparently, though Osama or one of his men opened fire first.

      The joyous celebration by the Americans demonstrates once and for all that Christians are the same as Muslims

      Yeah, because every single American is a Christian . . . . . . .

    • Mark Smith says:

      11:28am | 03/05/11

      The end is the only way to justify the means, always

    • Steve says:

      11:35am | 03/05/11

      I think there are many occasions where the end justifies the means and I can’t think of a better one than the death of Osama. Also no evidence that it was an assasination has even come to light yet. My understanding is that he was killed in a fire fight. If that is the case he was fired upon in combat which is not an assasination. I hope the family and friends of his victims can get some peace from the death. that alone is justification enough

    • John says:

      11:02am | 03/05/11

      Does this mean the majority of Australians, inclusive of our major politicians, are now backing the death penalty for those who are responsible for killing innocents?

      If there is no doubt of course…

    • Harquebus says:

      11:13am | 03/05/11

      Celebrating the death of a human begin. Must be a religious thing.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      11:32am | 03/05/11

      Your comment:With all due respect to the very few people who are victims or terrorism and their families, which of course are less people than die of say, heart disease, or diabetes, or HIV, or hepatitis, or workplace injuries ect ect annually in Australia – this hasn’t affected me much.


      Frankly, I’m more interested in the EPL results over the weekend – and thus you will see, my fellow Australians that it is not Osama’s killer who has defeated the world’s most prominent terrorist, it is in fact me.

      That’s right, I -hot tub political machine- have vanquished terrorists.  How you may ask, allow me to quote Mephisto from cult Australian comedy Double the Fist “I’m just ignoring terrorism and getting on with my life and thus I have defeated terrorists everywhere”

      Does someone who is more interested in EPL results than Osama’s death sound very terrorised? To quote Charlie Sheen (who’s self confidence you will notice is present in this post” “Winning!”

    • Steve says:

      11:39am | 03/05/11

      The trouble is hot tub that if we all “defeated ” terrorism the way you have we would be in a tub of hot shit. However good for you. Enjoy.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:16pm | 03/05/11

      Look at it this way Steve, if we all defeated terrorism they way I do, terrorism would sky rocket up your list of things likely to cause you harm from about number 10012 to number 10005

    • LC says:

      11:46am | 03/05/11

      Good news:
      - Osama is dead, which brings closure to the families of those killed in 9/11.
      - Possibility of morale loss amongst extremists, he after all was the figurehead of Al-Qaeda and funded a lot of their operations.

      Bad News:
      - He is considered a martyr by extremists everywhere. After all, he did die fighting the “infidels” and in accordance with their beliefs, he is now chilling out in paradise with over 70 virgins.
      - The aforementioned extremists will quite possibly commit retaliatory attacks.
      - He has been hiding in that stronghold right under the Pakistani government’s nose for god knows how long. The CIA has for a long time believed there are elements of the Pakistani defense force sympathetic to Al-Qaeda for a while. But this raises questions about whether the Pakistani Government is in some way, shape or form complicit in allowing him to be there. Now for the really bad bit: Pakistan is known to possess nuclear weapons. If they are complicit with his presence, this means the possibility of a nuclear terrorist attack in the future.

      We won the battle, but the war is FAR from over.

    • Anna C says:

      12:18pm | 03/05/11

      Osama’s death in the heart of Pakistan no doubt proves that the Pakistani Government and/or Military have been complicit in harbouring him for years and treating the US like fools at the same time.  While harbouring Osama with one hand, they took millions of dollars in aid from the US with the other to supposedly defeat Islamic terrorism. What a joke ... they have been totally treating the US like a bunch of suckers.  What a nice little money earner the Pakistani Government had going on? The Pakistani’s have proven they cannot be trusted. They are a bunch of two faced ...  I hope the US and its allies impose sanctions on them.

    • Shannon says:

      11:52am | 03/05/11

      Does this mean we can leave???


      ... Almost said that with a straight face! haha!

    • Sam Chowder says:

      12:03pm | 03/05/11

      What? I’ve now got to celebrate Osama’s demise - I have only just got over being forced to celebrate a Royal Wedding.  You media folks boss us pezzies around a little too hard sometimes.

    • Andrew says:

      12:10pm | 03/05/11

      Am i the only person dissapointed with the celebrating in the streets in regards to his death. We have lost our chance to show that we are better people than them. Instead we are loudly celebrating the killing of a human being.

      Depsite what he may have done, any death is not something to celebrate over. It is a time of sadness, in this instance it is sad that it had to come to this. That we could not find a better way to sort these problems out.

      I hope this is followed up by a legitimate attempt to bridge the differences between all the people involved on all sides. That we encourage the rejection of hate whether it be towards bin laden or towards us. That we can join forces and help all nations become more tolerant and understanding of each other as the world is small but there is so much to learn from each other.

      Lets not let hate dictate terms, instead of celebrating lets start actually changing things for the better.

      perhaps i am an over-romantic and naive person, but i believe this can and needs to happen. Otherwise this conflict will never end and no killing of any figurehead will stop it, it will only encourage it to continue.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:26pm | 03/05/11

      No, it made me feel a bit ill too.  I can understand why they are celebrating, and had I lost someone in an Al-Qaeda terrorist attack, I might feel different - but I think they displayed yesterday why the world feels a certain amount of ‘Anti-America’ sentiment.

    • No celebrations please says:

      12:32pm | 03/05/11

      I know, what’s next?
      People celebrating their footy team winning the Grand Final?
      I mean what will the losers think of these celebrations?

    • Rob says:

      12:40pm | 03/05/11

      “I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”—Martin Luther King Jnr

    • Andrew says:

      01:03pm | 03/05/11

      @ No Celebrations Please- War isn’t a sporting contest. There is nothing to be celebrated about it and i don’t think there can be such a thing as a winner. Both sides suffer casualities, it destroys peoples lives and fosters another generation of people who want to fight for either side. I fail to see a winner.

    • Sam says:

      03:39pm | 03/05/11

      @Andrew, you’re not the only person disappointed in the celebrations. Most people currently believe they are “individuals”. One day transcendence will be understood by more people and they will realise that murder is just as stupid as chopping off your own left arm. People are dumb as shit, especially those outside the WH celebrating.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      04:23pm | 03/05/11

      Thank you Rob (12.40) your quote has given me hope that not all people play violent video games and then cheer when in reality their enemy is killed.
      I firmly believe that the celebrations could have been wilder if bin Laden has been only wounded and tortured to death. I despair in humanity.

    • Jason Todd says:

      04:00pm | 05/05/11

      Rob, I suggest you google your quote. Uplifting though it is, it is not wholly attributable to MLK Jr.

      Deiter, please don’t make a desperate attempt to link violent videogames and violence, or the celebration of violence. I am a gamer, my friends are gamers, and the majority of us were equally as disgusted as you were at the extent of the celebrations.

      I suppose for some this offers some sense of closure. While I feel some relief that Bin Laden is no longer a threat, that doesn’t mean that we are safe. We still have a long way to go.

    • Ray says:

      12:13pm | 03/05/11

      The fanatic Osama Bin Laden may be dead, but his extremist followers will continue their evil-doing against those who do not agree with the Bin Laden cult’s dogma.

    • wolf says:

      12:24pm | 03/05/11

      Good article Penbo but you lost me with the last line:
      “The idea of bin Laden arriving in the hereafter to learn that he’s been sold a pup, that there are no virgins but just a burning, eternal hell, is quite a pleasing one.”
      Why oh why did you think it was appropriate to bring religion into this? Given the current toll for his capture stands at two countries wrecked, a million or so civilian deaths and trillions of dollars spent more than a few people could draw the comparison back to the crusades.  Talk of people burning in hell only adds to this. Can’t you just leave it as a story about a criminal who was killed during his arrest?
      I’m confident that Bin Laden is now resting in the same place as Mother Theresa, Stalin, Pope John Paul II, Graham Chapman, Reagan, Elvis, Hitler, Ghandi, Ned Kelly,  and the Queen Mother.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:03pm | 03/05/11

      I found that a little worrying too Penbo, but for different reasons. I think it was John Clease who pointed out the more likely we are to wish damnation on others the less healthy our mindset/group mindset we live in. Might need to go out and meet some new people.

    • Anna C says:

      12:29pm | 03/05/11

      “...death is not something to celebrate over. It is a time of sadness, in this instance it is sad that it had to come to this. That we could not find a better way to sort these problems out.”  Andrew, Osama ruined thousands of lives around the world. Do you really expect people to be comiserating about his death? While it may have been theoretically possible to try and capture him alive and put him on trial, the guy didn’t want to be taken alive.  He wanted to die a martyr. All I can say is that he sure as hell got his wish. Leave your sympathy for people who actually deserve it like his victims.

    • Anna C says:

      12:29pm | 03/05/11

      “...death is not something to celebrate over. It is a time of sadness, in this instance it is sad that it had to come to this. That we could not find a better way to sort these problems out.”  Andrew, Osama ruined thousands of lives around the world. Do you really expect people to be comiserating about his death? While it may have been theoretically possible to try and capture him alive and put him on trial, the guy didn’t want to be taken alive.  He wanted to die a martyr. All I can say is that he sure as hell got his wish. Leave your sympathy for people who actually deserve it like his victims.

    • Ando says:

      03:27pm | 03/05/11

      “Do you really expect people to be comiserating about his death.”
      He never said that.
      Most people didnt celebrate, most were happy he is gone but reflected on all the Amercan and civilian lives lost .  As Mayor Juliani said this morning its not like the end of world war 2. Did you take to the streets in celebration ?

    • Abbottabad says:

      12:37pm | 03/05/11

      Thanks for the timely reminder that the difference between Bin Laden and the rest is that he made we civilians his targets rather than the military, Penbo.

      Congratulations and many thanks to all those responsible for demonstrating that people do so at their own peril.

    • John says:

      12:44pm | 03/05/11

      It’s funny as the bin laden sage goes along, NATO war criminals have murdered Gaddafi’s son and his grandchildren. Seem’s like they trying murder Gaddafi. Humans rights organizations, mainstream media don’t seem to be complaining about human rights violations by NATO. Western criminality is getting out of control. Funny thing is, I’m a European Christian!  I’m beginning to despise my own west, it’s media and the politicians. Maybe GOD curse the evil parasites in our western nations.

    • Steve says:

      01:45pm | 03/05/11

      Some European christians had their arse kicked by the USA in WW2 and some European christians had their arses saved by USA. They have done and continue to do many good things but are not perfect. Mistakes are made and I hope you can be christian enough to forgive them because I don’t see anyone else putting up their hand to be the world’s policeman. Europeans manged to kick off 2 world wars while USA had an isolationist policy. Should they withdraw from world affairs again?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      04:31pm | 03/05/11

      Steve,
      John didn’t mention the USA. He mentioned the west Christians who claim to hate the sin but love the sinner. Remember the Christians Catholics burnt protestant and allowed them to recant at the last minute and kiss the crucifix so that they could go the heaven although they had sinned.

    • Steve says:

      06:53pm | 03/05/11

      Thanks Dieter. I will remember that.

    • Bob H says:

      12:45pm | 03/05/11

      An orchestra can still play without a conductor.

    • Kika says:

      02:10pm | 03/05/11

      Bob - you couldn’t have said it better. Best post of the lot!!!!

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      04:34pm | 03/05/11

      I’m less worried about the orchestra than I am of the soloists - the orchestra makes an army the soloists have bombs strapped to their chests.

    • stephen says:

      11:40pm | 03/05/11

      Actually, it can’t.

    • Echo says:

      12:47pm | 03/05/11

      celebrating a man’s death, no matter who they were makes us no better than who he allegedly was.

      where was his trial? where is the proof of guilt?

    • Aitch B says:

      01:12pm | 03/05/11

      @Echo

      When the man himself produces videos joyously claiming responsibility should we not accept that as proof?

    • DougB says:

      01:22pm | 03/05/11

      He was given the option to surrender for trial, he chose to fight back instead and the Seals appropriately responded and shot him.

    • Barney says:

      01:02pm | 03/05/11

      America and its allies have killed thousands more people than bin Laden
      when do they pay for their crimes - seems to me that it’s a one sided agenda

    • ABC says:

      01:08pm | 03/05/11

      Would we all be arguing the point about his culpability if we (I am not attempting to suggest that Bali is in not a signficant incident) had suffered a deadly terrorist attack of significant magnitude on our own soil?  I am sure that the views of many Australians are tempered by the fact that to date we have not on our own turf been witness to the magnitude of horror of having bombs going off on buses or planes flying into the Sydney tower, or someone blowing up the Paddington line.  How would we feel then if any of those things occurred?

      The real issue with Bin Laden is that terrorism now has absolutely no borders.  It is not a localised struggle situated in remote areas of the middle east.  It is on our doorstep.  He made terrorism borderless.

    • Annie says:

      01:12pm | 03/05/11

      Only someone who has no historical knowledge to speak of could think that Bin Laden equaled Hitler or Stalin’s influence on the global quality of life or human behavior. What he did was very evil, but also very localized. And it would have stayed that way if not for the hysterical media reactions, which I’m sure made him very happy. “The ripple effect” came in the form of mad security checks at the airports - a terrible, terrible inconvenience on a global scale, to the whole - gasp - of human population. No, wait, only about 20% of the said population can actually afford the air travel. But it is obviously the most important part of it. It seems that the two countries thoroughly thrashed in process of US’s hunt for Bin Laden - Iraq and Afghanistan - never actually hosted him. But who cares about these millions of people living as a result in squalor, with no access to water, electricity or medical care. It is important that our lifestyle has changed slightly and that about 1% of our tax was spent on security instead of NYE fireworks. Dear Punch, this is a piece of poor journalism, populist, badly researched and playing on the basic instincts. I am very disappointed - both by the article and by the “lets dance on his grave” comments that it sparked.

    • Anna C says:

      01:47pm | 03/05/11

      Annie, the guy was a mass murderer end of story.  The fact that he was not as prolific as Hitler or Stalin is besides the point.  Had he not been killed, who knows how many more people his evil organisation would have killed? Thousands possibly millions more. Stop splitting hairs.

    • Anna C says:

      01:47pm | 03/05/11

      Annie, the guy was a mass murderer end of story.  The fact that he was not as prolific as Hitler or Stalin is besides the point.  Had he not been killed, who knows how many more people his evil organisation would have killed? Thousands possibly millions more. Stop splitting hairs.

    • marley says:

      01:17pm | 03/05/11

      Think of him as a general, killed in combat.  Fortunes of war.

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:37pm | 03/05/11

      Don’t start censoring stuff now The Punch!

      (Reuters) - U.S. special forces set out to kill Osama bin Laden and dump his body in the sea to make it harder for the al Qaeda founder to become a martyr, U.S. national security officials told Reuters on Monday.

      “This was a kill operation,” one of the officials said.

      “If he had waved a white flag of surrender, he would have been taken alive,” the official added. “

      and in a really ironic twist…

      “(This story was corrected in the seventh paragraph to say commandos were prepared to capture bin Laden alive, not Obama)”

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      01:42pm | 03/05/11

      What gets to me is that rather than murdering thousands of those they call Infidels: Jews, Christians,Hindus - in fact anyone who does not follow the Islamic Faith - These brainwashed morons have been padding themsleves out with lots of lovely Semtex or somesuch product & then heading straight for their own Mosques, Markets & anywhere fellow Muslims congregate & then blowing themselves & their Muslim brothers & sisters to smithereens. As I understand it to become a Muslim Martyr, (for males this means going to Paradise to be serviced by numerous virgins, what it means for females we are not told) you have to die either protecting the Muslim Faith itself or it’s followers. People who go out & blow themselves up, killing hundreds of innocent people in the process are never, ever entitled to the title of Muslim Martyr. They are simply Murderers. They don’t go to Paradise. They go directly to Hell. I am told this is stated in the Koran. In the very old days if a Muslim had blown himself up amongst a group of Crusaders who were intent on wiping out Islam he/she would,justifiably,be regarded as a Martyr.
      The Islamic Faith is not under attack from the USA, UK, EU etc. Their very Constitutions (Written & Unwritten) Guarantee Religoius Freedom. This, ironically, is contrary to the rules, if not the Constitutions, enforced on Non-Muslims by those repressive, fundamentalist regimes in some of those Middle Eastern republics.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      04:45pm | 03/05/11

      Read the Koran, worth the effort.
      Read the Bible, equally worth the effort
      In neither have I seen a definitive description of the here after. That description come for the interpreters of the holy books.
      And Christianity is no more under attack from Islam than Islam is from Christianity - it’s the fanatics - the fundamental missionaries - of both faiths that are a worry and I know quite a few Christians itching to subdue any one associated with a faith other than theirs - been going on for centuries even before Christ waltzed around the middle east.

    • Vlad says:

      02:12pm | 03/05/11

      David, you’re a deadset moron. Bin Laden was a creation of the US. He was their excuse to rape and pillage. Anyone who believes a man hiding out in a cave in the middle of nowhere was able to ‘bring the world to its knees’ is as big a moron as you.

    • james says:

      02:35pm | 03/05/11

      Not really into the whole reality thing there are you Vlad. Ever read anything about the founding of Al-Qaeda after the withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghnistan? Suppose that’s all invented by the Americans as well.

    • Tanya says:

      02:58pm | 03/05/11

      1984: Emmanual Goldstein, the Enemy of the People. 2 minutes of hate!

    • Vlad says:

      03:21pm | 03/05/11

      Which ‘reality’ is that James? Your reality is based on the lies fed to you by the politicians and the media.
      The mujahadeen were directly sponsored by the Americans during their war with the USSR. Al Qaeda is just a spin off from that. So one day Bin laden is America’s man, the next he is the worlds most wanted criminal.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      04:54pm | 03/05/11

      As soon as a person derides another with terms like “deadset moron” I consider their contribution to be obscene. I treasure your opinion even if different to mine but I eschew you as soon as you belittle others.
      Violence physical or verbal is the last resort of the inadequate.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:15pm | 03/05/11

      I don’t believe the ignorant load of old bollocks peddled here by so many ignorant cowards.


      Newsltd editors all over the world are stupid, war mongering cowards.

      Let’s look at the reality.

      Bin Laden was a CIA agent, he then turned on the US when they kept occupying Saudi Arabia for no reason other than to secure oil and starve 1.3 million or more Iraqis to death because of one man.

      To say that Bin Laden was evil on the scale of Hitler and others shows the childlike ignorance of Penberthy, the man who once claimed our refugee prisons were 5 star asylums and had to eat crow.

      More people died at the hands of the US in Iraq per month during the illegal blockade than were killed by the 19 Saudis who flew the planes.

      They all trained in Germany and the US, not Afghanistan.

      No-one involved in the Bali bombings had anything to do with the bogus Al Qaida - if that “organisation” ever existed it was an ideology only which wanted one thing.  All US soldiers out of muslim lands.

      And that is all they wanted, except to bankrupt the US and they did that without having to do much at all.

      Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been slaughtered, there are 2 million widows, 5 million orphans, the country has 2 million internally displaced and 5 million have fled, the country is littered with depleted uranium and cluster bombs that will kill for another century, hundreds of billions were spent and wasted and the killings continue to this day.

      The US lost over 4,500 soldiers, about 400,000 others have mental health and physical problems that will last a lifetime and the only thing good was the lynching of Saddam Hussein by the blood thirsty CIA to stop him spilling CIA secrets going back to when he was hired as a distressed 19 year old child.

      Afghans offered up Bin Laden on 14 October 2001 during an attack that had been planned in the 1990’s and confirmed with Pakistan in July 2001, 2 months after the US stopped supporting the Talban and starting supporting the countries most evil and disgusting mass murderers, rapists, looters, drug barons and mobsters.  One, General Dostum, killed 50,000 people in his own words and he and his cronies completely destroyed what was left of Afghanistan after the planned by the USA Russian invasion funded by Jimmy Carter in 1979 and by Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan with Reagan and the CIA through Charlie Wilson in Wilson’s covert war.

      I sometimes think that Australians are cretins, starting with our mostly ignorant media whose only leap from the comfort of their ivory towers is a trip on the clogged Sydney roads.

      Although David did visit one of his famous 5 star asylums.

    • Cuppa says:

      03:38pm | 03/05/11

      I wondered when Marylin would slither out from under her rock…...

    • Vlad says:

      03:46pm | 03/05/11

      Marilyn, i fear you’re wating your breathe with this mob

    • Str8t Up says:

      04:26pm | 03/05/11

      Generally factually incorrect, except i do agree with you in that the US is responsible for 1000’s of related and unrelated deaths in the ME.
      As for being a cretin…eh…opinions are like assholes…everyone has one.

    • james says:

      05:02pm | 03/05/11

      Marilyn

      Just to poke a few holes in your “theory”, Bin Laden was never an “agent” of the CIA. His Mujahadeen group received some weapons from America, but these were all channled through the ISI in Pakistan. None of the Mujahadeen groups ever knew they were receiving weapons from the US and no CIA agents ever set foot in Afghanistan during the Afghan-Soviet war. Your knowledge of Afghan history leaves a lot to be desired. To deny that Al-Qaeda does not exist as a organisation is absurd. There is awealth of documented evidence about its existence since it was founded in the late 1980’s. And at least 3 of the hijackers trained in Afghanistan during the 1990’s. As for your suggestion that none of the Bali bombers had anything to do with Al Qaeda, do a simple google search on Hambali - the mastermind of the Bali attacks - and I think you will find that he certaintly did have a lot to do with Al Qaeda. You are indicative of the type of simpletons that peddle this conspiracy theory nonsense. You accuse Australians of being cretins, yet your post is littered with factual mistakes. You are simply making things up and spouting them as some kind of truth that only you and your fellow misinformed travellers are privy to. Do yourself a favour and go and read a few books and maybe you wont spew such ill informed nonsense in the future.

    • neil says:

      07:57pm | 03/05/11

      I bet Marilyn, believes in the shooter on the grassy knowl, that NASA never went to the moon, the Roswell landing, aliens and that margret Thatcher is one, Big Oil. Elvis, Hitler, JFK, M L King, Malcolm X and Bin Laden are alive and Paul McArtney is dead.  GM killed the electric car, Teslar created energy from nothing and America is conspiring with Isreal to control the worlds finances.

      Nutters complete nutters!

    • LC says:

      09:17pm | 03/05/11

      I’ve seen a lot of conspiracy theories in my life, on varying levels of crazy. But this takes the cake. Al-Qaeda does not exist? C’mon.

      Someone call the men in white coats.

    • John says:

      09:51pm | 03/05/11

      Al-Qaeda is a code word for Islamic Resistance against foreign occupation. It’s the same group that helped CIA defeat the Soviets,  similar to the French Communist Resistance who resisted the NAZI’s. I believe most people in WWII that resisted the NAZI’s were communists. The west calls them terrorists, the Nazi’s absolutely hated communism, explains why they were so hard on those that fought and funded for a communist state in Europe.

    • frank robb says:

      03:36pm | 03/05/11

      “Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall—think of it, ALWAYS.” Ghandi

    • RickyB says:

      03:37pm | 03/05/11

      I still remember seeing members of Australias muslim minority dancing in the street in support of the 9/11 attacks.These were average, every day people.It made me sick.This is the reality of allowing this dispicable religion to this country.I wonder how they feel about Bin Laden being killed?Where do their loyalties lie?America is a friend to Australia, it always has been, & despite mistakes it has made it has also done a hell of a lot of good around the world.Its incredible that many middle eastern & muslim nations are happy to take the aid America & the west offer while burning their flag & undermining their efforts to bring a filthy mass murderer to justice.It says a lot about the tribal, dishonest mentality of these people & personally i think the west needs to look a lot harder on who it gives money to in future.

    • Tired says:

      04:00pm | 03/05/11

      So i guess watching the Americans chanting USA,USA and dancing in the streets made you sick as well.
      America is a friend to America and to point out a fact…Americans have killed more ME than ME have killed Americans.
      The sooner the west realises its not wanted in the ME….ahhh the oil….and so the war goes on.

    • Max says:

      04:10pm | 03/05/11

      Its people with intellect such as yours which allows the US to continue its destruction of this planet

    • LC says:

      09:04pm | 03/05/11

      “I still remember seeing members of Australias muslim minority dancing in the street in support of the 9/11 attacks.”

      Umm…What?

    • Sam says:

      04:26pm | 03/05/11

      I prefer to think of evil as a virus and the evil-doer as an infected victim. It is sad that evil exists, and sadder still that killing its victims is our chosen method of keeping that virus from spreading further.

    • Criminologist says:

      04:46pm | 03/05/11

      Evil isn’t a virus, it’s a choice.  You choose to be evil, you don’t HAVE to be.  By no stretch of the imagination was he a victim of anything.  Choosing to be evil has consequences.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:30pm | 03/05/11

      Depends if you view evil as an operating meme. Certainly we know that there are operating memes such as patriotism, nationalism and even altruism. Not sure that evil is a sufficiently defined concept to be a meme, after all everyone has differing conceptions of evil.

    • Kat says:

      09:08pm | 03/05/11

      We all have the capacity for good & evil.  In strict Islamic communitie’s boys go to school to be totally brainwashed by the Islam clerics. When a young child is saturated with a particular dictum..that’s what they reap..hate & violence. Just like we learn our ABC & times tables..by rote.

    • Kat says:

      04:27pm | 03/05/11

      I hope he was buried with a stuck pig.

    • Ahmed bin Saleh says:

      04:42pm | 03/05/11

      I hope he was stuffed inside a pig and roasted.

    • RickyB says:

      07:40pm | 03/05/11

      I hope they fed him to a pig, then stamped a big HALAL symbol on that pig & called it ALLAH AKBAR! Either that or hang is body from the statue of liberty.  smile

    • LC says:

      08:58pm | 03/05/11

      They should’ve shot him with bullets covered in pig fat raspberry

    • Over it says:

      01:45pm | 04/05/11

      Yep real respectful- and we cant understand why extremists hate our guts

    • r3830 says:

      10:10am | 05/05/11

      Geeez…. all western extremists please step forward!

    • Kate P says:

      05:29pm | 03/05/11

      What else would we expect from Marilyn. How unfortunate that there are too many vocal ignorant people out there.  I do not like the way mass crowds are carrying on or having a Mass to celebrate.  Even if he was one of the most evil men in history, up there with the likes of Hitler, Stalin etc…too much like we’ve learned this nasty habit from our enemies.
      However Marilyn…your bias is so strong that you forget to mention the utter atrosities.. as mentioned in the column we are commenting on.  Nor did we ever cut an innocent mans head off on National Television.
      I for one am proud of the way our combined forces have handled this impossible fight against evil.

    • Who has Pakistan's Nuke keys says:

      05:48pm | 03/05/11

      just checking my list here….
      Pakistan will for 10 bil $ co’operate with the west on security matters,ok.
      Pakistan’s security ISS will help track down bin laden and have him arrested,okey dokey
      Pakistan’s military have no idea where bin laden is,,yeah ok sounds right
      Pakistan have nuclear weapons and would never use them,,, mmm,,okaaaaay

    • Steve says:

      07:06pm | 03/05/11

      That is what Indians shit themselves over more than any dodgy vindaloo.

    • the whisperer says:

      07:58pm | 03/05/11

      Let’s get it right. No reasonable person could believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy between the U.S. and some terrorist group. Too many cross- involvements. Secrets are not kept that way. But what if Bush, with the CIA spending billions to justify their existence, came up with the intel that the attack was imminent? And he, and his father, and their billionaire associates, decided that this was their invitation to finally secure oil rights in that treasure chest called the Middle East? Maybe I’m wrong, and Bush leaving Washington D.C. on that particular day to visit a kid’s school in Florida was just a coincidence. (Didn’t he love Florida). But it seems strange to me that inquiries I made showed that the Bush family, and the Saudi Arabian bin Laden family were such prominent shareholders in the same major oil company, headquartered in Saudi Arabia.  And Bush announced, in very serious tone, that any terrorist or anyone connected with any terrorist was in his gunsight. What a heap of misleading garbage.
      But Blair, and Howard, went along with it.  As did many others.
      Bin Laden is probably responsible for many deaths, (we will never know how many), and no-one can become his apologist, but it concerns me that individuals and small groups, as well as well organised larger groups with their own agenda,  have associated themselves with his campaign to rid the Arab States of foreign, (USSR & USA)  occupation. Bin Laden was a Saudi working out of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border area, (or so we are told by those with a vested interest in our support and involvement), and the U.S. want us to believe that they couldn’t find him? What a monumental piece of deciet. So, in order to restrict his effectiveness we take over the whole of Afghanistan? How gullible we have allowed ourselves to become.
      If tomorrow we left those countries in which our children are dying what would be the outcome? Would we be bombed? We’re there now and we are not being bombed, how much more peaceful would our lives be if we left? We shouldn’t be there anyway. And please don’t say that we would be deserting those beautiful youngsters who we have lost if we left. Their greatest wish would be, No more!

    • the whisperer says:

      07:58pm | 03/05/11

      Let’s get it right. No reasonable person could believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy between the U.S. and some terrorist group. Too many cross- involvements. Secrets are not kept that way. But what if Bush, with the CIA spending billions to justify their existence, came up with the intel that the attack was imminent? And he, and his father, and their billionaire associates, decided that this was their invitation to finally secure oil rights in that treasure chest called the Middle East? Maybe I’m wrong, and Bush leaving Washington D.C. on that particular day to visit a kid’s school in Florida was just a coincidence. (Didn’t he love Florida). But it seems strange to me that inquiries I made showed that the Bush family, and the Saudi Arabian bin Laden family were such prominent shareholders in the same major oil company, headquartered in Saudi Arabia.  And Bush announced, in very serious tone, that any terrorist or anyone connected with any terrorist was in his gunsight. What a heap of misleading garbage.
      But Blair, and Howard, went along with it.  As did many others.
      Bin Laden is probably responsible for many deaths, (we will never know how many), and no-one can become his apologist, but it concerns me that individuals and small groups, as well as well organised larger groups with their own agenda,  have associated themselves with his campaign to rid the Arab States of foreign, (USSR & USA)  occupation. Bin Laden was a Saudi working out of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border area, (or so we are told by those with a vested interest in our support and involvement), and the U.S. want us to believe that they couldn’t find him? What a monumental piece of deciet. So, in order to restrict his effectiveness we take over the whole of Afghanistan? How gullible we have allowed ourselves to become.
      If tomorrow we left those countries in which our children are dying what would be the outcome? Would we be bombed? We’re there now and we are not being bombed, how much more peaceful would our lives be if we left? We shouldn’t be there anyway. And please don’t say that we would be deserting those beautiful youngsters who we have lost if we left. Their greatest wish would be, No more!

    • Enrico says:

      08:20pm | 03/05/11

      When are we going to lock up these self-righteous lefties.  And, more importantly, why do they seem to froth at the mouth when critisising western nations, while at the same time almost supporting our terrorist “friends.”  Go and live elsewhere, you grubs.

    • andyman says:

      08:44pm | 03/05/11

      http://911truthnews.com/why-the-planes-were-not-intercepted-on-911/  *
      this is one of many thousands and thousands of articles giving more and more evidence about how this whole ‘war is terror’ is totally fabricated by the US government..

      *only for a select number of people on here that is willing to open their mind 99% of people that visit this website are to happy to live their lives shrouded in ignorance going about their structured lives believing everything the government tells them

    • neil says:

      12:52pm | 04/05/11

      Another nutter! where do they come from?

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      09:25pm | 03/05/11

      Know thine enemy. Not understanding the thoughts and reasoning of your enemy dramatically reduces your chances.

      These terrorists in our eyes are the heros of muslims. They are seen as the front fighters for God and all who resist are seen as enemys of and anathema to God.

      These sad indocrinated from birth people see death not as the end but as a release from this miserable existance into heaven where all they desire will be granted. This includes a bulk pack of virgins.

      While I remember:

      Three women die in a crash and arrive together at the pearly gates.

      St. Peter greets them and says they can come in but they must be very careful not to step on a duck or they will be doomed to spend eternity with a very ugly partner, which will be hell for them.

      They enter and note there are thousands of ducks wandering around.

      For the next few days they are very careful where they tread, but with the ducks rushing around underfoot one lady slips and stands on one. Immediately a very ugly man comes up takes her hand and leads her off.

      This scares the other two, so they are extremely careful, but a few days on the second lady, coming around a corner, steps on a duck and as with the first a hideous man come along put his arm around her and leads her away.

      For a week the third lady treads very carefully, then one day this most handsome, extremely well built man suddenly appears before her.

      “Is this my reward for being so careful?” she asks.

      “I don’t know whats going on.” Says the young man “All I remember is walking down some steps and standing on a duck.”

      My question is, Do the virgins have any say?

      ‘Good’ muslims are indocrinated from birth. At a very young age they are taught the koran and must learn to recite it in total.

      They are taught that it is the only truth as told to mohamid by God and as such MUST be obeyed. It is nor just a religion but a way of life that MUST be followed without question if there is to be any chance of an afterlife. They are told that their amim is the true interpreter of the koran and should be obeyed.

      After fifteen years of solid mental pounding they are putty.

      I wonder how many ‘Christians’ can recite the Bible, even the New Testament, or Book of John, or Luke, or Matthew?  How many westerners have read the Bible ALL proper muslims can recite the koran.

      Western society has gone along quite happy with our circumstances; We know of other religions; Buddists (They don’t eat meat or step on even ants.) Animists (They worship animals) Hindus (They have many and strange looking gods.) Jews (They make great comedians.)Jehovahs Witnesses (They knock on doors to annoy people.) Muslims (They pray five times a day.) That’s all I needed to know. I am happy; They are happy. Good luck to them but leave me alone and I will not worry you.

      So with muslim zeal v/s the rests apathy; with their lust for death v/s our lust for life do we stand a chance?

      Their goal is a muslim world devoid of non believers or more likely with infidel slaves. (us). I personally don’t like that idea. It is being punched into them that it is their duty to God to work toward this.

      The only way out I see is to straighten them out. Show them that what they are being told is nonsense and use logic.

      Stop financing muslim schools in countries like Indonesia but set up secular schools with top quality curriculum with teachers trained in Australia. Most of the followers are poorly (if at all) educated peasants being fed the line that the west prospers at their expense and the only way ahead for them is to vanquish us.

      Look at the countries where islam is growing. I have visited some of these regularly over the past thirty years. I can see the way things are changing.

      The way ahead is knowledge; education. Once the FACTS are known a whole new world opens up. Unfortunately the wrong people have the ears of the ignorant. They are at the Easter bunny stage and need enlightening.

      Another simale: Years ago, visiting the zoo, my Catholic 10 y/o cousin was not put off her meat pie lunch when I told her the pies were made from the animals that died each night, BUT when she discovered it was FRIDAY went down in the horror that she would no longer go to heaven. We had to take her home. Now Catholics can eat meat Fridays. Enlightenment!

    • the whisperer says:

      10:17pm | 03/05/11

      Enrico, who has a problem with anyone who dares to criticise, (check that word, Enrico),  “Western nations”, says that all ‘self-righteous lefties’ should be locked up. I don’t know what that means, but I suppose it means that he doesn’t either. Otherwise he would have given us some more information in re ‘self-righteous lefties’. Could he be referring to those who, not being utterly brainwashed, actually have the nous to form an opinion? Supporting terrorist “friends? I didn’t know that anyone posting here had any ‘terrorist friends’. Perhaps you more perceptive than all of us. What a clever little fellow you are. And you can see people frothing at the mouth from their writing. Good lad! You will go a long way.

    • Enrico says:

      01:21am | 04/05/11

      This is exactly what i’m referring to, whisperer;  Smug, know-all, lefty types - like you.  You should drop to your knees and rejoice in the death of little Osama.  You know, the one who hid like a rat in a sewer for ten years.  Apologies for the typo, peeps.

    • Stephen says:

      10:46pm | 03/05/11

      My God the the leftist, lattee lapping, bong addicted trolls are out in force today, the man is dead, he was an evil shit irrespective of his faith, he deserved to die.  The rally sad thing is that there are so many fruitloops using the reporting on his story to attack Western Democracy, and to those who think that the demorcracy that gives them a free voice is such a bad thing I’d suggest that they renounce their citizenship, take their bongs, centerlink payments and bad attitudes and go and live in an Islamic Theocracy.

    • LC says:

      12:31am | 04/05/11

      I mostly agree.

      Except the bit about him dying. It would have had more effect on morale of Al-Qaeda if he was kept alive in a 3x3 meter cold jail cell, made to live off bread, nutrient tablets and water and not allowed to see the outside world, and left there until he carked it. As it is, he died while defiantly standing off against the US army, which in Al-Qaeda’s books makes him a hero and he will remain a source of inspiration to them for quite some time to come.

    • Scott H says:

      01:25am | 04/05/11

      “There is probably no other person in history who altered human behaviour and undermined our presumed freedoms and collective quality of life on the same scale as Osama bin Laden.” Really? Try GW Bush. I’ve no sympathy for OBL or anyone connected to Al Qaeda, but Bush Jr did as much to make the world LESS safe (but more profitable for his coprporate mates) by illegally invading Iraq for Big Oil and Haliburton.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:38am | 04/05/11

      For god’s sake you intellecual pygmies, watch or read Charlie Wilson’s war and learn something.

      Bin laden was a frigging CIA agent.

      If you don’t know that you are the ones smoking too many bongs.

    • marley says:

      08:15am | 04/05/11

      Let me get this straight, Marilyn - you get your knowledge of recent geopolitics from a mediocre movie, and you have the unmitigated gall to call other people intellectual pygmies?  Do you base your understanding of powered flight on Superman comics?

    • LC says:

      11:21am | 04/05/11

      Yeah, Marylin. Because movies are quite an accurate reflection on real life.

      Sure.

    • Flying Free says:

      08:34am | 04/05/11

      Aussie Wazza - I’ve recently read the Bible and Koran.  And now I read the comics.  Both Holey Books are like swiss cheese - written by men to have power and yes, having been brainwashed by nuns earlier in my life, I understand how Islam can totally domionate vunerable people who cannot think critically.  The mental release of being a free think is exhilerating - I wish some Muslems and others could try it.

    • AFP Wee says:

      08:36am | 04/05/11

      Marilyn has been eating too many magic mushrooms again.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:25am | 04/05/11

      War is an armed conflict between belligerents ... So what does it mean when the USA “declared” war on Terror?
      In past wars belligerents bombed civilians - London, Berlin, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, all civilian targets. Not until Libya did the “responsibility to protect” civilians become a catch-cry. Perhaps an empty catch-cry when drones are killing civilians by the hundreds in Afghanistan-Pakistan. This sort of negates the wailing of civilian lives lost in the USA. But then it was after all their first experience in TOTAL WAR. That the world is a better off without bin Laden might be esoterically true. The method of his demise was a heroic yet possibly illegal act. An operation which logically not morally makes the assassination of Obama or any other leader also justifiable depending on which side of the fence you stand. Had the UN sanctioned the assassination it might be justified as an execution but as it stands it was a unilateral assassination of a belligerent in a war on terror. Like many of the justified but illegal operations carried out by Israel’s Mossad.
      The consequences worry me - extrajudicial executions are an anathema to the rule of law and justice even in war, as was so clearly demonstrated in the Nuremberg Trials after WW2. War does not absolve a perpetrator of atrocity or illegality. War too has rules as ludicrous this actuality is. The rule of law must apply to all no matter how heinous the crime, no matter how hated the criminal - the President of the USA is not the Chief Justice of the world today.

    • Bruno says:

      01:06pm | 04/05/11

      Lost me at the first paragraph. Future generations will look at Osama like we look at Hannibal today. Hannibal was a terrorist to the Romans. History sees him as a worthy enemy.

 

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