During election campaigns, Canberra is to national politics what a hole is to a doughnut - defining, but of no interest.

Power failure: independent impasse is bad for democracy. Photo: Townsville Bulletin

That changed with a rush in the wake of the closest result in a century.  With neither side able to claim a majority, both leaders rushed back to the national capital to court a suddenly pivotal troika of independents, Bob Katter, Tony Windsor, and Rob Oakeshott - all former Nationals members.

But rather than filling in the ``hole’‘, the unedifying horse-trading now underway Canberra has done the opposite. Bluntly, the nation is in danger of being dropped right in it.

Some are extolling this apparent repudiation of the major parties in the election as the dawn of a new politics where old barriers are broken down. Unfortunately it will probably remain dark for a while yet.
More accurately this is the dysfunctional outcome of a political process that has become so manipulated that it has been reduced to an exercise in market segmentation. The voters’ refusal to plump one way or the other is actually the result of being given effectively no deep choices - the election reduced to branding and personalities. Voters were asked to choose between `real Julia’ and `safe Tony’. Their repackaging succeeding only in making them even more like each other.  Only the true believers within the parties themselves regard this as a genuine choice between real or distinctly different options. To the rest, it is more akin to the difference between a Falcon and Commodore. Some will stay fiercely loyal but let’s face it, most people could go either way. Both family cars do the same thing, are aimed at the same major section of the market, and both use marketing rather than core design to exaggerate their claimed advantages.

It has all begun to ring so hollow.
After 14 million votes, the expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars, probably millions of human hours, an ocean of words, and hectares of newsprint, the democratic process has gummed up. And with the election falling short of any decision, the only important bit, who is to govern, has been left in the hands of a few unknowns. We now have effectively an electoral college made up of three former Nats from the eastern seaboard.

Forget new politics, the term ``dog’s breakfast’’ seems apt.

And it gets worse. To the three country mavericks, can now be added another independent, Andrew Wilkie in the Hobart anchored seat of Denison. He, like Adam Bandt, the new Greens MP in the seat of Melbourne, replaced a retiring Labor frontbencher in an otherwise safe Labor seat.

If you include Wilkie and Bandt, and throw in a new WA Nationals MP Tony Crook, who knocked off Wilson Tuckey, and who says he intends to sit on the cross benches, there are now six independents in play. This in a Parliament that has broken with 70 years of tradition of having one side or other in control.

While the final position is not known for certain, it seems clear that the final count is 72-all plus the six - or if you prefer, 73-all if you count Mr Crook as inevitably a vote for the Coalition when push comes to shove, and Mr Bandt, similarly, a pretty sure thing for Labor.

That leaves four - Mr Wilkie and the three country independents. They of course occupy seats the Coalition would otherwise hold and thus have a majority of voters within them pushing them to the ``blue’’ corner. The importance of this career-ending threat should not be under-estimated. Perhaps, the only thing that may negate it is the possibility that two of the three, Messrs Katter and Windsor, may not intend to recontest in any event. But who knows?

Trying to read Andrew Wilkie is not straight-forward either. He was a member of the Greens not that long ago, if that is any guide. A habitual malcontent, he obviously fell out with them. He had made a name for himself originally as an anti-Iraq war activist even standing against John Howard in Bennelong in 2004. A former high ranking intelligence analyst, he had blown the whistle about the lack of objective evidence suggesting the existence of weapons of mass destruction. The early signs are he plans on milking his leverage for all its worth.

Just to make things weirder again, the outgoing Family First senator, Steve Fielding has characteristically tried to inject himself into it all declaring he will decide if Labor deserves a second term. On top of the idea of three indies who scored a little over a hundred thousand votes between, deciding the election result, we now have the prospect of a threat to vote against all government bills including supply, from a right-wing Christian who failed to secure re-election last Saturday and who scored 1.88 per cent of the vote in Victoria not at this election, and not even the last, but at the one before that when John Howard secured control of the Senate. Any further levels of abstraction from the voters are hard to imagine.

Dawn of a new democracy? Rubbish. This is much closer to a crisis where majority will and the national interest is being held ransom by a tiny and unrepresentative few.

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    • Eric says:

      06:30am | 28/08/10

      This analysis neglects the fact that three votes cannot overrule 144 votes.

      If, as Mr Kenny claims, there is so little difference between the major parties, then together they make up a clear majority bloc. It is only their refusal to cooperate that gives Independents their power.

      If Labor and the Coalition agreed to compromise, instead of demanding all-or-nothing for each party, the “siege” would be over tomorrow.

      This is not a crisis of democracy, but a simple case of two big teams whingeing because they came to a draw and didn’t win the prize.

    • Soldier says:

      02:06pm | 28/08/10

      You make a good point, Eric.

      However, both you and Mark fail to realise the true issue here.

      MPs are elected to represent their electorate. They don’t represent a nation, or big business, or a party, or small business, or unions, or workers or anything other than their electorate.

      These independents are perfectly within their right and democratic function to achieve gthe best results for their electorate.

      Whining about how many votes they received or what they’ll they do is a failure to understand the democratic process in this country.

      This is the system we have. The system we’ve fought for. Appreciate it for what it is and accept it.

      PS Eric, what are you doing up at 6:30am on a Saturday and why are you on The Punch at that time?

    • Eric says:

      04:04pm | 28/08/10

      Hi Soldier,

      You make some interesting points. As for your question, I wake before 6 almost every day - and I read the Internet over breakfast.

    • acotrel says:

      06:44am | 30/08/10

      Dumb comment Eric!  One vote overrides 147 votes.  Steven Fielding is now in total control until next July!

    • PeterB says:

      06:31am | 28/08/10

      If Gillard and Rudd had stuck to what they said they stood for - ETS, Softer Border Protection etc instead of being governed by the polls all the time we the voter would have had a clear choice, but Gillard and Rudd decided they liked the Liberals on almost all issues and proceeded to follow them and became bacically a Liberal Party too. What a bunch of weak arrogant fools Gillard and Rudd are!  Rudd and Gillard should have just jumped ships and joined the Libs and left the Labor party to it’s original values, and then we would would have had a real choice between the two.

    • rr says:

      01:49pm | 28/08/10

      The polls showed Australians didn’t want an ETS and didn’t want soft border protection .... so you mean they HAD to change their policies because that is what the majority of Australians WANTED.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      07:00am | 28/08/10

      An interesting analysis although I disagree, in part, with the Falcon/Commodore metaphor. The effect of marketing to a disillusioned and barely interested Australian population has been to package two vastly different products in the same way.
      Box A contains one product which is a collectivist, centrist Party, intent on redistributing wealth but not interested in generating it; and the other contains a Party made up of individuals (no organisation can join the Party) focused on capitalism and free enterprise.
      To use your car metaphor, one is a 1960 Holden with drum brakes and one is a 2010 Ford Typhoon but both are in unmarked boxes, decorated by twelve year-olds to appeal to other 12 year olds.
      The election in 2007 showed what happens when a professional decorates one box – Australians were impressed with the Kevin07 decorations but profoundly disappointed with the box’s contents. In this election there was a Green box too.  Smaller and neatly presented but ultimately when people struggle with the biodegradable wrapping they will find nothing but a bicycle inside.
      Packaging is important but it shouldn’t conceal the contents. All three political parties are attempting to do that in order to appeal to an audience which has shown time and again that its understanding of ‘what’s in the box’ is superficial at best.

    • Front Fender says:

      12:54pm | 28/08/10

      Mark Kenny,
      It’s all too easy for you people in the media to throw ideas around willy-nilly, with little or no regard for the consequences in the real world.
      Do you have any idea of the sort of national division you risk with your glib assertion that Falcons and Commodores “basically do the same thing”.
      Mate, I hope you have an unlisted number.  You’ve hit on something Australians really do care about here, old son.
      Next you’ll be saying Apple just makes bloody computers, and we all know where that leads…

    • Soldier says:

      02:11pm | 28/08/10

      You’re right about Liberals being all for individuals, capitalism and free enterprise.

      However, it was Labor in the 80s and 90s that engaged in the biggest free market reforms this nation has ever seen. This refutes your argument about wealth rediustribution.

      Also, you fail to recognise the level of middle class welfare under Howard (baby bonus, FTB etc etc etc)

      You also fail to recognise that for some people a bicycle is the best way to get around.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:34pm | 28/08/10

      Great analogy Nigel.

    • Gran Depine says:

      07:21am | 28/08/10

      The world geo-politicians are looking at us, the people of the world are looking at us and all we can do is Herodically smash every mirror in Australia to stop us looking at ourselves.

      Since the Federal election last weekend, I had numerous political diner discussion with family and friends. I had mini debates with colleagues at work, discussions with friends at sport and closely observed multimedia news, TV and radio discussions about the very tight hung Parliament outcome. I spend hours of solitary travelling every week so I have lots of time to listen and self reflect.

      In summary, I strongly believe that political atheism is growing. Shame on all the two cent Psuedo leaders of Australia, get a vertebrate and tell the GG that the people demand another election. It will be the fairest election in Australian history.This time around, the Government should spend $30 million dollars on an advertising campaign encouraging people to vote and teach them how to accurately fill out a ballot paper. Finally, it will be a fairer election with bare minimum advertising money for all parties and when compared to the last hung Parliament in 1940 with two independents holding the power to form Government. Furthermore,  there will be more women, indigenous, people over the age of 18 voting and most importantly a population that reflects a multinational input (since we now travel overseas more than our fellow Australians in 1940). Let’s all do it again in October, the political Spring clean is far overdue.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:47pm | 28/08/10

      @Gran Depine:  I couldn’t agree more about the need for education of voters on how to actually fill out the forms.  I can’t believe people need to be educated on such a task, but there you are, they obviously do.  It is something I have blogged about in another forum and a lot of people on that forum thought it would be a good idea.  As to another election:  I don’t know, really I don’t.  Everyone’s tired in the first instance, they’ve spent all their money in the second and the Australian public has, quite frankly, had enough.  We just want this settled so we can all get on with our lives and the government can get on with what it is supposed to be doing and that is governing in the best interest of the Australian people. (sigh - so over it, really!)

    • acotrel says:

      06:53am | 30/08/10

      Gran, I’ve already voted, and the election outcome reflects my wishes.  If another election is called, I will respond by voting for an independent.  If other people act similarly, we might end up with two thirds of parliament made up of one third of each the two parties, and an equal number of independents.  Then we’ll start having true democracy!

    • Cary says:

      07:38am | 28/08/10

      I would like to suggest a relatively simple method for resolving this - hold a mini election in the 6 seats that are not currently declared as neither Labor nor Coalition. The people in these electorates will be asked to vote on whether their representative should support Labor or Coalition, effectively making these seats decided in the same manner as the rest of the country. They can still keep Windsor and Katt etc as their representatives, but rather than having these guys decide on their behalves, they can decide for themselves. It is the fairest way and once the thousands of people in these electorates have decided, the final outcome will truly be the decision of the nation - their choices contribute to the selection of either party in exactly the same manner as everyone else in the country.

    • Joan says:

      12:08pm | 28/08/10

      Another vote in just those seats. The Independents have now shown their cards to Australia and I`m sure that some of the people in their electorates would like to change their minds after their display…. many would not have voted for the Katter Circus Party if thay had known that that was whatt they were voting for.

    • Front Row says:

      01:00pm | 28/08/10

      Cary -
      That’s a truly inspired, simple, typically pragmatic Australian solution. Why the hell not?

    • John A Neve says:

      02:01pm | 28/08/10

      Joan,
      Please tell us what you know about Katter that you did not know before?
      Based on the time he has been in the parliament, I’d have thought his electorate knew him well!!
      Likewise, those in the other independent’s seats must have some idea as to their leaning surely?
      Please clarify your comments Joan.

    • ET says:

      02:16pm | 28/08/10

      Not a bad idea

    • Sven Gali says:

      02:37pm | 28/08/10

      Have you ever been to the seat of Kennedy, Joan ? It has been held by Bob Katter for the last 17 years, the last 9 as an Independent, and was previously held for 24 years by his father. His primary vote in this election was roughly double that of either of the major party candidates.

      http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-15508-167.htm

    • Gerard says:

      04:41pm | 28/08/10

      Surely if the people in these electorates had wanted either the coalition or ALP in power, they would have voted for them? They didn’t vote for a major party, they voted for an independent. Independents effectively have no say in decision-making unless they hold the balance of power, so it’s pretty safe to assume that Katter, Oakeshott, Windsor and Wilkie were elected with a situation such as this in mind.

    • Chris says:

      06:16pm | 28/08/10

      I think the point that Cary is making here is for the people in these electorates to decide on Labor or Liberal for the government - they can still keep their independent representatives that they want to represent them. It’s a good idea that should be considered.

    • Mal says:

      11:31pm | 28/08/10

      Cary,
      It was already done last week.  Voters in those seats clearly shouted they wanted the independants to be their MP’s.  However, their ballot papers also required them to decide whether ALP or the coalition (or someone else) was their next choice.  Those electorates don’t need another vote.  They just need their votes analysed a bit more.  If, for example, in Kennedy you made 3 piles.  One for Bob Katter’s votes, one for ALP and one for the coalition and you started spreading Bob’s votes by who had second preference you’ll be left with two piles.  Bob Katter will still be the MP but his consitiuents will have had a say in which party he should give the tick to.  The latest opionion polls from the 3 electorates give a hint as to what the outcome would be and some have suggested the same thing about senate voting from those regions but in any case is it too hard to have a closer look at the ballot papers.

    • Joan says:

      09:12am | 29/08/10

      John A Neve; The people who voted for Katter know exactly who they voted for….. but I`m sure the people who voted for the other Independents did not expect their member to align with Katter and be part of `block` of 3. -note -  their list of demands…. a mini party of sorts. Katter seems to be the loudest, reported voice of the three,  Mr Wilkie on the other hand is behaving as I would expect of an Independent…. he is not part of any group.

    • Brewster says:

      07:47am | 28/08/10

      If the country is governed by labor or by liberal in their own right, the country is held to ransom by a select group of powerbrokers from either side. If it was labor, it was the “kitchen cabinet” if it was liberal it was howard, arthur sinodinous and co. So what is the differece here? Exactly nothing save the fact that all the independents are actually elected by their constituents rather than guns for hire and advisors in the examples of liberal and labor. And please don’t start with the independents owe their allegiance to the liberals, if the electorate wanted liberals they should have voted liberal not independent! Get off your high horse and allow electoral and constitutional process to have it’s day. What you fail to concede that hung parliament is a fact in many many governments around the world with only positive results for better government.

    • Rosie says:

      08:15am | 28/08/10

      Great article Mark and there should be more of it. “The pen is mightier than the sword” Thomas Jefferson 1796 - “Go on doing with your pen what in other times was done with the sword”

      No doubt we are in a crisis because these kingmakers ( amigos ) think it is legimate for them to make deals all because they are on a “power trip.” They are selling themselves as having the power, intellect and values to reshape the nation’s political future with no mandate and authority.

      Politicians on a “power trip” have the tendency to chaos, mania for control and a strange mix of heady ambition something that I found out about Kevin Rudd’s “power trip” when I goggled him up.

      Julia Gillard, caretaker PM & Tony Abbott, Opposition leader should have got together and realized that these amigos cannot be kingmakers before making any contact with them. The 2 parties needed the numbers to form a minority govt not amigos wielding power making all sorts of deals with no mandate and authority.

      Remember last Sunday morning, who was so desperate and couldn’t wait to make contact with the amigos, none other than our appointed PM?????? Must have been ordered to do so straight away from the faceless men??????

    • Against the Man says:

      08:25am | 28/08/10

      The ALP/Gillard failed to win a clear victory. How can a 1st term government, in good economic times and reasonable unemployment not win an election? I guess the public under-estimates how useless an ALP government can be. Really folks months ago the ALP were laughing at Abbott and calling it the unlosable but look at the outcome. This whole mess is Gillard/ALP’s fault. They are to blame there was a swing against them and their policies, Abbott just stayed calm and gained ground on an ALP that was abd is falling apart. Blame Gillard, blame ALP, blame the state ALP because that is where blame should be laid.

    • Front Up says:

      01:24pm | 28/08/10

      ATM -
      I reckon your question is one that neither party really understands the answer to.
      The Libs most certainly did not expect to win this election, for precisely the reasons you point out.
      However, the “born to reign” aspect of the NSW Right has festered since 1999, and despite the all-too-obvious questions over the Coalition, it is now at the point of metastatis in the Labor Party.
      Many in the party knew there were problems, but did not understand just how bad things were until last week.
      For the sake of Australia, I hope the secretive NSW Labor culture of power and privilege for its own sake can be cauterised, or at least shrunk to something manageable.
      There could be nothing worse for our country than two decades of Coalition rule with a weak, divided opposition. That’s what we’re looking at, beginning next week.
      As it stands for Labor, Victoria is in the ascendancy, SA has suffered a major blow through Senator Farrell’s misjudgement in the Rudd debacle and at least three of the bigger unions on the left (ish) are looking at following Sparky Dean to the Greens.
      How long until the AEU is snuggling up with Bob Brown if Gillard gets up?
      This election has been a complete disaster for the Australian working class, at a level most of us are only beginning to sound.  I’m sure the white collar factions will be just fine - as long as they can continue to suppress the real workers.
      We’ve been such fools.

    • Delphic Oracle says:

      08:49am | 28/08/10

      The poor public are always dropped right in it after each election as only Liberal or Labor can rule.  We are now having a breath of fresh air wafting through the corridors of power - the ‘heir conditioning’ has been turned off and maybe a new group might actually talk to each other.

    • Peter says:

      09:17am | 28/08/10

      Stephen Fielding has no business getting involed in this. He’s been rejected by the voters and unfortunately under current rules he can hang around until July next year and frustrate the senate.

      I don’t think it is ureasonable for the Indies to want some reform. The idea of private members bills getting voted on seems fair to me. Every member of parliament should have a right to get a bill voted on. Isn’t that why we have local reps?

      Agree this Indies shouldn’t be making to many unreasonble demands, but i have heard of some constructive changes that can only be positive.

      They didn’t ask to be in this position, neither party can claim to have a mandate over anything. The Indies are being asked to effectively choose our next Government, its is incumbent on them to ensure the do their due diligence. It’s the responsible way to approach this.

      They have a responsibility to the whole country now and any decision they make should not be on the based of holding their own seats at the next election..

    • Super D says:

      09:40am | 28/08/10

      Agree completely.  This is no new democracy, no impugning of the major parties, its just a spurious result that will inevitably be corrected at the next election.  The independents have a small window to do a few good things with respect to the operation of the political system - such as reforms of question time, campaign funding and the creation of a parliamentary budget office.  These are readily achievable and should be the focus of the independents while they enjoy their brief moment in the sun.  When they make ambit claims for vetos over policy they overreach and will only succeed in bringing on another election - at which point they will be required to nominate which party they will support in the event of another deadlock.

    • N B Shifrin says:

      10:05am | 28/08/10

      Well colour me cynical! A slightly more meta-narrative than what has passed for analysis of both the result of last Saturday’s election and the position of the three Independents but still in the same vein.
      Rather than taking the 70-year tradition as the pattern worth preserving why not look at the 60 years prior to to the evolution of the two-party system in place until recently? Indeed that would appear to be in line with what those who attended the Constitutional Conventions intended given that the Australian Constitution fails to mention either Labor or the Coalition anywhere.
      I do agree that democracy is somewhat lacking but not because voters have failed to accept their role as simply choosing between one or another manager but rather because both the media and politicians have reduced their choice to that between two managers.
      As for majority will being held to ransom by a tiny and unrepresentative few; given the fact the majority was unable to decide between a political opportunist who through her inability to categorically deny that she ‘welshed’ on a deal to allow an out of touch Prime Minister four months to reassess and change course, cannot articulate anything she believes in past educational opportunity as a keystone of the good life and quality health care and was of course one of the Gang of Four which effectively ran the country for a good portion of the last government (as dysfunctional as it was) without even referring to her three attempts at policy formulation after her ascension and a man who described himself as a weathervane and who is unable to articulate a positive policy position on almost any issue; I would say that the function being undertaken by the Independents is exactly the expression of the majority will. Unless of course you wish to assert that formulation of a government ought not to occur on the floor of the Parliament. What other arrangement ought to occur? Perhaps a simple ballot between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott? Perhaps an appointment of a panel of ‘first citizens’ who choose between the two? In fact why not do qualify the franchise? Prevent women, minorities and those who do not own an arbitrary amount of property from voting at all?

    • fish says:

      11:20am | 29/08/10

      No - go for a penalty shoot-out smile

    • Philip says:

      10:20am | 28/08/10

      Nowhere has it been reported that any of these so-called “Independents”  have actually consulted their constituents as to their wishes regards which main party they should support to effect the next Government. I would imagine that if they had,the media would have heard and reported it.
      These blokes can only claim to represent their particular electorates and nothing more than that.They are not Governments in themselves so they should not claim to be representing the people of Australia as a whole,but they are doing just that.
      They demand that whom ever they support must promise that there will be no election for three years but if they get things wrong and the mob they choose is a disaster and hurting the national interest,by inference they are demanding that the Australian public accept that ridiculous situation. What ever happened to the concept that the politicians and Governments are supposed to be the servants of the people,not the people the servants of the politicians and Governments ?
      I have read also that their proposition is against provisions in the constitution so if that is correct,what they are trying to extract from the two leaders is on the face of it illegal,has no standing in law and does not have to be adhered to. A promise that is empty from a demand that is silly in the extreme.

    • Gerard says:

      05:08pm | 28/08/10

      “I would imagine that if they had,the media would have heard and reported it.”

      Not likely. Which headline will sell more papers: “Independents act responsibly”, or “Loose cannons holding Australia to ransom”?


      “if they get things wrong and the mob they choose is a disaster and hurting the national interest,by inference they are demanding that the Australian public accept that ridiculous situation”

      Leaving aside the fact that whichever mob they choose will be a disaster and hurt the national interest, it’s quite easy for them to simply withdraw their support and choose another leader- presumably from a different party.


      As for your fourth paragraph, Id suggest getting some details rather than basing your argument on a vague description of something you read from an unspecified source.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:33am | 28/08/10

      This article appears to miss the obvious, this country has, for a lot of years been governed by a coalition. In fact many countries are goverened by a coalition.
      The electorate in some areas has declared it does not want either Tweedle Dee or the Tweedle Dum twins to govern us. Why won’t parts of the media accept the voters wishes?

      The last thirty years has seen a decline in the quality of governance as a direct result of what has become a virtual two party system.

    • Gary Cox says:

      10:41am | 28/08/10

      If I were Abbott I’d let Gillard have it. Imagine the mess it will become as Gillard tries to balance getting Bandt on the extreme left to Katter on the right to vote with her and the rest of Labor consistently. In the end she would have no choice but to go back to the electorate and Abbott will walk it in as voters will be disillusioned with Gillard and her liquorish allsorts of a government. The only danger would be if the Indies get Gillard to commit to a three year term and then we’d have to put up with three years of a laughable government.

      Having said that it is obvious to me that an Abbott government would be the most stable as he only needs the three Indies and not the Green or Wilkie assuming they stick a Laborite in as speaker.  Without wanting to speak for them, it it fairly obvious that Katter, Oakeshot and Windsor are more right leaning (they’d have to be to have once been part of the Nats) than left therefore are more likely to have more in common with the coalition and more likely to vote with them than cause trouble as they would if they supported Labor.

    • Philip says:

      01:52pm | 28/08/10

      Well stated Gary Cox. I agree with you absolutely. My other thought is the ” promise” to not have an election for 3 years,no matter what can and will be broken,no question of that.If the other promise that there will be no blocking of money supply is also to be believed then the installed Government will not be able to call a DD and that is also patently ridiculous. Who is advising these Independent clowns ? As we alwso know,one of them even suggested that Rudd work for the coalition as their F.M. and Turnbull work for labour as their E>M> What are these blokes eating in the back blocks ?

    • Ned says:

      10:44am | 28/08/10

      Well said. For all those who think independents are good for democracy and the party system is broken, take a good look at what’s happening now. We need party blocs to bring some order to our democracy. I am very anti one of the major parties, but would rather have it in charge making decisions than endure the current flip-flopping at the mercy of nutters like Katter and his ilk.

    • Gerard says:

      03:32am | 29/08/10

      I’m taking a good look at what’s happening now, and what I’m seeing is media beat-ups fuelled by the major parties panicking as they realise that people might start questioning their duopoly on power. If it’s stability you want, maybe we could abolish the entire parliamentary system and appoint a dictator instead. That would stop all those pesky independents from representing the people’s interests at the expense of a party.

    • mary says:

      10:51am | 28/08/10

      Looks like a Labor govt or back to the polls to me - no matter what the three amigos do

    • Anjuli says:

      11:01am | 28/08/10

      Well written Mark ,I am totally in agreement with what you say, you have left one out of the mix the National who wants now to known as an Independent why did he not run on that ticket in the first place is that he might not have been voted for they will never know until he goes back to the polls like the rest of the country should do. There has been millions no billions wasted a few more million won’t hurt , when the labor government has already got us in so much debt and still mounting.

    • nosthow says:

      12:33pm | 28/08/10

      My heart is gladened by the fact Katter, Oakeshott and Windsor are EX Nationals - the very best National you can get is an EX National ! Combined with Bandt, Crook and Wilkie Ms Gillard should be able to form government and Tony “baloney” Abbott can start looking for another job - hey maybe over in the mines in WA !

    • MH says:

      03:13pm | 28/08/10

      Good luck with that forecast Nosthow, hope it works out for you.  Centrebet is offering $2.85 about Julia, suggest you mortgage the house and clean up.

    • Belle says:

      09:19pm | 28/08/10

      As a Lib voter I am hoping the independents do go with the ALP. Ms Gillard is very welcome to having to meet Bob Katter’s demands and pandering to his power trip. The resulting disaster should lead to an election in which people will get rid of this incompetent Labor government for a very long time.

    • Luke04 says:

      12:37pm | 28/08/10

      If Labor hadn’t been so poll driven and stuck to what they told us and kept the original Prime Minister they had at the last election when they were elected, this situation wouldn’t have occured. They have now become Liberal which has confused everyone! Polls say trouble in western Sydney, so they quickly jump on the boat people rah rah rah. Polls look like ETS isn’t popular, so they dump it, polls say the PM has lost popularity so they knife him. If the Independents think Labor are a stable Government, then I’m a monkey’s uncle!

    • antman says:

      01:10pm | 28/08/10

      Absolute rubbish! Any of the 150 members of the House can choose to support either side on any motion. Just because 144 of those members have chosen to put party interests ahead of those of their constituents is the only thing that has given the other 6 their apparent power. There is nothing wrong with this situation, it is Constitutionally, conventionally and legislatively legal. We have systems to deal with it and we can’t just make up ad-hoc solutions like calling for instant re-elections or special polls in independents’ seats - they are not legal courses of action.

    • Senexx says:

      01:11pm | 28/08/10

      Dawn of a new democracy? Rubbish. This is much closer to a crisis where majority will and the national interest is being held ransom by a tiny and unrepresentative few.

      I am currently wondering what partisan ties the author of this piece has with the major parties.  This is democracy as intended and finally a correct result has been given by the democratic process. 

      So often, the government with little or cursory debate rams through legislation, knowing it has the numbers. Government and Opposition backbenchers, and independents, are treated with disdain.

      This election has turned those events on their head and rightfully so.  Policy and legislation will finally get the scrutiny it deserves and a lot of electorates will be treated as if their vote counts unlike the previous situations.

      When a believable, broad-based independent offers himself or herself for election in recent years, the voters have taken that option in preference to the major parties.

      Sure we can all make fun of the eccentric nature of Katter but he is very protective of his electorate which all our representatives should be.  However it is a mistake to tar all the independents with the Katter brush as their diversity has been on display in the past week and if the Australian public can’t see their diverse natures we’re in some trouble.

      It is quite clear to me that the words of the Conservative, Edmund Burke are weighing heavily on all their minds during this time.

      “Certainly, Gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinions high respect; their business unremitted attention.

      But his unbiased opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure. No, nor from the law and the Constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion”

    • not another sheeple says:

      01:54pm | 28/08/10

      I think this is the time to discuss the false left right political paradigm.
      Surely Australians can see this is a two party political duopoly now?
      But no… now everyone thinks this duopoly = stability.
      How dumbed down Australians have become.

    • Holly says:

      02:12pm | 28/08/10

      Your columnist and most commenters displaying a marked lack of flexibility - seem to think it’s the end of life as we know it.  I agree there should be no horse trading - Independents should be just that - sit on the cross benches.  Green and unaligned National - also probably - that leaves parties with 72 each.  Convention dictates that current PM be allowed to form government.  Speaker chosen from coalition. Then each piece of legislation considered on merits.  If a piece of legislation does not pass lower house that is not sufficient cause for government to fall. 

      Polls of electors in independent electorates are totally irrelevant - they had their chance last Saturday.

      Exciting times ahead everyone but stop all the doomsday stuff.  It has worked in the past at state level.  Don’t assume all politicians are completely self seeking, but media will be out of their comfort zone and will have to work smarter.

    • antman says:

      05:15pm | 28/08/10

      Well said! That is precisely how the Westminster system is supposed to operate and what we are bound by until a referendum says otherwise. This is probably the most concisely put description that I have read on any forum. What a shame that the political “journalists” can’t do the same.

      One would think that this was the first hung parliament in word history if one just went by the hysteria in the media. The fact is that it’s far from the first, not even in a Westminster-based system or even in Australia. The public and the media need to grow up and realise that this is just one of the outcomes that a parliamentary democracy can produce and, just because it hasn’t happened during the lifetimes of most of us, does not mean that it is a disaster and cannot be workable. Imagine if we had proportional representation, as many are offering up as a better system, the outcome would have been more independents and minor parties in parliament and less seats for the majors (especially the Nationals) with a Labor/Green coalition able to command at least 49% of the seats and probably able to rope in an independent or two to form a government. Pretty much what we have now.

    • MH says:

      06:28pm | 28/08/10

      You seem to forget that the minority government’s first task is to survive the motion of new confidence from the opposition.  Hence the need for a deal to be made with sufficient of the independents to ensure that motion is survived.  And as the opposition will not be furnishing a speaker for just this reason it becomes necessary to have secured 76 assured votes.  So it is either the Coalition’s 73 plus 3 independents (don’t buy the malarkey that Tony Crook is ‘independent’), or the ALP’s 72 + Bandt + 3 independents.  This is not doomsday, this is just reality.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:50pm | 28/08/10

      Surely, the notion that the 3 independents won’t support the party that the majority of their electorate wishes to be in government, flies in the face of democracy.  The independents blabber on about the new politics, and representing their electorate not a Party.  Katter has been known to argue fervently against Nat’s candidates who he believes aren’t acting in the interestes of their electorates.  Yet the amigos seem to be happy to ignore evidence that their electorates want a Coalition government.  This is not ‘new politics, it is blatant hypocricy!

    • Andy says:

      03:28pm | 28/08/10

      I have no doubt they will support the coalition, they will milk Gillard for what she’s worth and then side with Abbott.

    • Matthew says:

      05:38pm | 28/08/10

      The voters of Kennedy voted for *Bob Katter* to represent them in the House. Not Labor, not the LNP, but the man in the hat himself. Why would you want to take away that independent voice you just voted for? I wish my MP could use his own brain instead of the party spin machine for once…

      Bob is now free to decide what government and what laws he wants to vote for over the next 3 years. He should be making that choice based on his personal values, and what he thinks is best for his electorate and for Australia.

      Look where Labor ended up by giving the reins of the country to the pollsters.

    • MH says:

      06:32pm | 28/08/10

      Andy, you are 100% correct.  The 3 rural independents will milk their moment for all it’s worth, give the appearance of soberly weighing up their Solomon-like judgment, obtain a bunch of paper concessions they can proudly wave to their respective electorates, and then side with the Coalition for their personal political survival.  Meanwhile Andrew Wilkie, currently trying to make himself relevant, will be rendered precisely the opposite.

    • Holly says:

      05:38pm | 28/08/10

      Quite frankly I believe if they stood as Independents and were voted in as Independents their constituents would be expecting them to sit on the cross benches wouldn’t they?  That is exactly what they should do and if the people in their electorates want a second bite of the cherry they will have to wait until the next election.  If the Independents choose to work as a “bloc” and support one side they are no longer “Independent” in my book.

    • farkurnell says:

      05:14pm | 29/08/10

      Holly I dont think u understand how the westminster system works. To have a stable govt the excutive decisions must be made usually by the PM and Cabinet,  so the public service can implement them. Parlament is only part of the system, which decides on the policies and the laws.The reason we’re in this situation is neither Tony or Julia polled anywhere near 50% .The parliament and political systems can’t function effectively if the PM can’t get his/her policies approved by a majority of members. There must be continuity and stability of direction for the govt.systems to work.The 3 Stooges rightly are trying to achieve this.Otherwise we go back and start again, waste a lot of money and possibly end up with a hung parliament again.And people if you don’t like this system go and live in another country ,cause its what we’ve got.

    • jeffb says:

      05:58pm | 28/08/10

      What exactly is Kenny arguing for here? He either doesn’t understand this is exactly how the Westminster system is supposed to work or he wants complete reform of the electoral system.

      I can’t see any significant issues raised in the article about the integrity of the system, his main complaint seems to just be that the independents just wont roll over so Abbott can become PM. Quite frankly the “Born to rule” & “Back to the polls until Australia gets it Right” from some sections of the media is an embarrassment.

      Perhaps Mr Kenny could do some research on the Westminster system and try again…

    • Marilyn says:

      06:06pm | 28/08/10

      Newsltd are simply pissed off that all their lobbying to get out the ALP and install the idiot Abbott has come to stuff all.

      It is not newslted’s place to dictate and they are trying to with stacked polls and this endless whinge.

    • Tarzan says:

      04:00am | 29/08/10

      I think this is the first time I have agreed with you Marilyn. Maybe all the lobbyists and big business and unions feel ripped off because they placed all their efforts and money on a two horse race. All I can say is “karma has come to them” now is their turn to sweat.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:11am | 29/08/10

      Marilyn,
      I agree with you, not only news limited though, 2gb’s another Liberal propaganda arm that has been working overtime with endless diatribe and ridicule against the ALP.
      While News Limited and 2gb’s talkback shows have their own political beliefs and followings they have no right to dictate and coerce their readers and listeners with the political party that they themselves follow.
      This kind of behaviour by the media and radio stations would be expected in some overseas Countries, but it should not be tolerated in a democratic Country like ours.

    • taiabada says:

      11:50am | 29/08/10

      Marilyn, you show your ignorance as well as your lack of couth.  No Rhodes scholar can be considered an idiot, and your choice of language leaves much to be desired.

    • MH says:

      12:34pm | 29/08/10

      Stacked polls?  Would that be Newspoll, the only one of the 3 majors to come close to correctly calling the result? 

      You are right it is not News Limited’s place to dictate that Abbott wins, just as it is not the place of Fairfax and the ABC to dictate that Gillard wins.  Claiming media bias really is a facile exercise.  There are equally partisan forces on both sides and in the end much as the media like to think they shape both policy and outcome, all they really do is reflect the collective view of the electorate.

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      01:50pm | 29/08/10

      Right Marilyn, because there’s no media outlets or action groups that slavishly support the ALP for no sensible reason other than some perceived sense of social justice that they believe the conservative side of politics could never understand; Crikey, Get Up, Fairfax, the ABC…. Grow up.

    • William Bowe says:

      06:09pm | 28/08/10

      What “majority will”? The problem with this election is that there wasn’t one. Also, I think it’s time the media burrowed a little further into the Victorian Senate count and got their heads around the fact that Steve Fielding has NOT necessarily been defeated. The ABC preference count projection is here - everybody is just looking at the “elected candidates” bit at the top and deciding the rest of it’s too hard for them. But go down to Count 21, and you’ll find the DLP just escaping exclusion with 3.26% at the expense of Steve Fielding on 3.14%. If Fielding closes that gap, either through late counting or below-the-line preferences (and there’s still a long way to go here), it will be DLP preferences that lock in behind him rather than vice-versa, and thus he rather than the DLP who will win the seat. Taking other factors into consideration, the final Senate seat in Victoria remains a lottery between Fielding, the DLP, the third Coalition candidate (Julian McGauran) and - probably less likely - the third Labor candidate (Antony Thow).

    • arrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh says:

      03:09am | 29/08/10

      The fact that Fielding got in to the senate is proof of just how badly the process of electing senators needs to be reformed. He had absolutely no business being in the Senate in the first place.

    • stephen says:

      07:45pm | 28/08/10

      Yes Antman, there’s been plenty of hung parliaments, but now our ‘larrikin’ spirit is now where it is not required e.g. in Democracy.

      PS If our Independants want to be be Representative Men, they should choose shortly, and wise.

    • Tarzan says:

      03:34am | 29/08/10

      After reading the news.com.au story about Oakeshot getting all those phone message from prominent business people it illustrates to me how corrupt the system is. Who are these business people that try to sway the political process and what are they offering. These Independents are a good thing I just hope they stay honest. My opinion of all Labor and Liberal guys is sinking day by day.
      I wish a police sting could be set up on Oakshots phone to catch a business man trying to offer bribes.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:29am | 29/08/10

      New signs of the times that could be placed at the New South Wales/Queensland border could read: “Welcome to the redneck State” or “You are now entering the redneck State”
      Queenslanders are certainly also an ungrateful bunch of imbeciles, and one would suppose that they will now all do the right thing and return the stimulus money that they all received from the Labor Government during the global financial crisis.

    • taiabada says:

      12:45pm | 29/08/10

      Christian has obviously nevever ventured into the real Qld north of Brisbane.  I was Sydney born and bred, private school, Rugby, etc.,  -probably all the things you don’t like much, and I came to retire in Queensland ten years ago to retire.  There are more REAL people in Qld than in the southern states, friendships still actually mean something, particularly in the regions, and Queenslanders have for a long time been under Labour governments and are politically savvy and politically interested.  E.G. the journos (southern) all assumed and told us that Qld was upset by the knifing of Rudd since he was liked in Queensland.  Never so if anything Queenslanders were more anti-Rudd than any in the southern states.  Believe me, you don’t know Queenslanders and I now do.  I won’t be coming back anywhere south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

    • Ryan says:

      01:59pm | 29/08/10

      Wow Christian haven’t you just descended into filthy, venomous diatribe.

    • Bleary says:

      06:46pm | 29/08/10

      How about a hug sweetie,it aint that bad really.
      Must say I am loving the vitriol and sense of robbed entitlement going around in the camps of the “true believers”.
      Although, perhaps, if you guys bring in Shorten,it may deflect attention for a while,...you know,whatever it takes…
      Suck it up princess.

    • Jason says:

      07:29pm | 29/08/10

      Which union are you heavily affiliated with Christian?  This is typical behaviour when things don’t go Labor’s way. 
      Now that you’ve asked anyway, my stimulus money went on an overseas holiday using a foreign airline too. smile

    • taiabada says:

      11:35am | 29/08/10

      How can Julia Gillard, or for that matter Tony Abbott, give any assurance that a government to be formed would last the full term?  Particularly in Gillard’s case where she has promised (here we go again) that she will run a government of consensus!  You can’t have it both ways and give a personal guarantee AND have a consensus division!
      P.S.  If the independents effect a government with Labour & Green, I wonder what Kevin Rudd might do?  Maybe the independents should have a chat with him also.

    • DaS Energy says:

      01:19pm | 29/08/10

      So much hype and hysteria, yet none want to recognise that our consitition has no requirement that Government be formed only by person having sworn allegiance to a particular political party.  Perhaps one may respond as to what they have got against australias constitution and where their delusion comes from that they are the font of democracy.

    • mary says:

      01:29pm | 29/08/10

      It worries me that the people of Port Macquarie have any say in all of this - their town is bankrupt and likely to remain so for a very long time due to them allowing a previous council to construct an overpriced, badly located arts centre

    • Gregg says:

      06:24pm | 29/08/10

      You do sum it rather well with one bit of your article Mark
      ” More accurately this is the dysfunctional outcome of a political process that has become so manipulated that it has been reduced to an exercise in market segmentation. The voters’ refusal to plump one way or the other is actually the result of being given effectively no deep choices - the election reduced to branding and personalities. Voters were asked to choose between `real Julia’ and `safe Tony’. “
      And I would even say that calling it a dysfunctional outcome is something of a stretch of the imagination though
      ” so manipulated that it has been reduced to an exercise in market segmentation. “
      is somewhat much closer.
      And do the media not have some responsibility for accurate reporting based on some investigration rather than just regurgitating garbage with at times their favoured ideological twist one way or another.

      For instance you claim there is no difference in policies!
      Come on now
      . NBN, asylum seekers, mining tax for starters.
      You claim people did not want to plunp one way or another and yet they did so to a great extent.
      Could it be that Julia being a woman and from SA/Vic. had a significant enough impact in those states for there not to have been a swing in those states.
      Election results will be because of all sorts of factors and to mere;y say there is no difference between parties is just BS.
      You take what probably is the greates single aspect of any government merit, that being financial management and plenty of examples of mismanagement and yet Labor claims the upper hand because of the GFC, often quoting 200,000 jobs saved!
      Have we even seen one investigation into where that nice round figure comes from?

      We do get the government results that media interests may want to serve up.

    • Peter says:

      04:36pm | 31/08/10

      Actually Greg, i think Julia being a woman had no impact at all, which is an absolute glowing reflection on the women in this country.

      Our women weren’t going to be suckered into gender wars. They voted on policy, which is the way it should be…

    • acotrel says:

      06:59am | 30/08/10

      ‘Dawn of a new democracy? Rubbish. This is much closer to a crisis where majority will and the national interest is being held ransom by a tiny and unrepresentative few.’

      And of course that wasn’t the case when the Libs controlled the senate because the Green’s and Fielding helped block the Labor party’s legislation?

    • Brian says:

      08:09am | 30/08/10

      “This is much closer to a crisis where majority will and the national interest is being held ransom by a tiny and unrepresentative few. “
      All very well, but no one has a clue what the majority will is in Australia. In fact there is no majority will.

 

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