This post is by Malcolm Farr and News Ltd Data Journalist Lisa Cornish.

They are websites that people with ambitions in the field of information technology would be drawn to because of the promise of help with evaluating further study.


But they also are websites that someone having the merest contact with information technology would quickly recognise as being less than was promised. Instead of hard data there are asterisks and N/A notifications indicating their absence.

These sites, in myskills.gov.au, are here and here.They demonstrate the increasing possibility that government organisations and departments will throw material at the internet without any profound examination of whether it’s useful information, or information at all.

And big money is being spent on this hit-and-miss approach. Some $243 million has been set aside for a package of measures aimed at “a training system for the future”. The websites are part of that package.

Back in May we reported on a survey which showed the Federal Government was spending millions on on-line information, and Australians were ignoring these sites in their millions.

Dr Peter Chen, who teaches media politics and public policy at the University of Sydney, said rarely used “heritage sites” were increasing in number.

Others were “really just there to be seen to be doing something’‘.

With that in mind, have a look at the Vocation Education and Training site presented as showing “Student Outcomes by Field of Education”, looking at what happened to 2011 graduates of the Certificate I-II in information technology course.

We are told that 65.8 of them were employed or in further study, but are left to guess what the rest - more than a third - ended up doing.

We are then told that 47.8 per cent of all graduates are employed. We then are told that 32.3 per cent - of that 47.8 per cent? - are working part time. But there is no figure for full-time employment.

At this point the asterisks take over.

Two of them, against the full-time category, indicate that the estimate for this category was less than five per cent and therefore unreliable.

There is even an asterisk against the 32.3 per cent figure for those employed part-time. This warns that “the estimate has a relative standard error greater than 25 per cent and therefore should be used with caution”.

So that figure might be 40 per cent or it might be 24 per cent. Not much utility there.

There are two asterisks for average salary of graduates, and the top three occupations of those graduates.

A similar pair of bullet holes is next to the attempt to list the top three industries. This is hardly illuminating.

A slightly better story emerges from the second site, the student outcomes for those whom in 2011 completed a diploma and above in information technology.

Don’t ask about salaries of graduates. That’s N/A. There are no asterisks against the numbers, but it’s not clear what those numbers show.

It says 86.5 per cent of graduates were employed or in further education. A lower column says 63.1 per cent were employed. It then says that 34.8 per cent were in full-time work and 27 per cent part-time.

But 34.8 per cent and 27 per cent of what? Of the 86.5 per cent? Or of the 63.1 per cent? Or of a group not yet identified?

These sites are a guessing game, a plea for faith and a shortfall on the information front.

Someone thinking of attempting a certificate or diploma course in IT might do well to ignore these sites, or to use them as a class project on what not to do.

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    • Greg says:

      07:39am | 17/10/12

      Everyone knows though that 64.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot

    • Damian says:

      08:23am | 17/10/12

      P < 0.05?

    • Damian says:

      08:17am | 17/10/12

      I would agree that many statistics-based websites are not clear enough about what they are trying to present.  I will admit to being a bit stumped by one or two details on those sites - admittedly on a quick look.

      But if one is going to look at a site in such a cursory fashion as to confuse non-reporting of estimates based on less than five individuals. and non-reporting of estimates of less than five per cent, one is immediately behind the eight-ball.

      The most important point, though,  is that qualifying estimates because of things like large standard error is precisely the sort of thing one does when one wants not to mislead people.  The problem with statistical reporting to the community in general from all sources - governments, media, and lobby groups in particular - is not that these sorts of qualifications are put on data, but that these qualifications are not made often enough.

      For example, the media routinely breathelessly report on a shift of one or two percentage points in approval ratings or two-party preferred wotnots.  It is quite likely that those shifts are within margins of error and therefore not meaningful.  But we don’t know, because we’re not told.

      So bottom line, I’m not clear about the point being made.  Is the desire for more clarity in statistics, or more pretend clarity?

    • Scotchfinger says:

      08:25am | 17/10/12

      Was this ‘article’ even written by a human being? It was so dull, I could feel a few hundred thousand neurons quietly winking out, never to be replaced. Thus, the decision is made for me: to attempt (again) a Punch-free jaunt for a bit. Good for my ageing brain… good for my productivity… and good for the Punch. See you in a while, Punchers.

    • Iced VoVo says:

      10:17am | 17/10/12

      As I’ve said again and again, Scotchfinger, those human beings are overrated. Why don’t you join me, Monte Carlo and the other biscuits, today we’re having humans for tea - see how they like it! Hmmm, humans…

    • Arrowroot says:

      11:48am | 17/10/12

      I like to let my humans soak a bit longer in my cup of tea, so much more enjoyable and not too crunchy.

    • Iced VoVo says:

      02:32pm | 17/10/12

      +1 Arrowroot…no one wants a crunchy human…

      As it turns out I don’t think I can make it to tea today. Monte Carlo and I can’t seem to get out of this f*****g tin.

    • Gingernuts says:

      02:50pm | 17/10/12

      I’m rather attached to my human.

    • jaki says:

      09:06am | 17/10/12

      Good effort, Mal. I can barely contain my excitement.

    • craig2 says:

      12:04pm | 17/10/12

      I fell asleep! Really!

    • jimbo says:

      09:21am | 17/10/12

      We shall miss you Scotchfinger because you truly added to the usual daily turmoil that is the Punch.  If you miss your daily fix, try something that has the same effect, such as: Talk to a brick, or bang your head against a wall.  You will find it has the same end result.  Don’t worry, Acotrel will still be here when you decide to return.
      Enjoy your break.

    • lower_case_andrew says:

      09:27am | 17/10/12

      I think I prefer one of Mal’s attack pieces on the Coalition, over this.

      Which is saying something.

    • Damian says:

      10:07am | 17/10/12

      I’m now going to add an asterisk to my earlier comment (ha ha see what I did there?).

      This actually is an important issue, so good on Malcolm and Lisa for taking it on.  Transparency of government and what our money is being spent on should be of interest to the health of our democracy.

      It’s just that, unfortunately, with this article they swung and missed.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:13am | 17/10/12

      I am going to copy this article in its entirety and save it…..for when I have insomnia….I started reading it and all of a sudden my face was on my keyboard, drool was running into it and I had lost 2 hours of my life….

 

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