There are few modern politicians enthusiastic about using the powers of parliament to interfere in religious belief.

Under siege

And there is a good reason for this. Politicians have no role to play in people’s personal belief systems and most agree with this.

If members of a church are seen to have offended against the laws of society, then society has ways of providing redress through the institutions of the law.

This is the correct procedure and has been used in instances involving alleged criminal wrong-doing by members of other faiths. The Catholic Church was not condemned as “criminal” for the behaviour of some of its aberrant priests which were clearly in violation of all tenets of that faith.

I believe that Australia’s legislative and judicial system is measured and based on the rule of evidence. It is not sensationalist and based on hysteria and controversial sound-bites.

But it is the rare politician who seeks to be involved in witch-hunt, inquisition or vilification - the actions of the intolerant mob, not a discerning and pluralistic society.

So where does Senator Xenophon fit into this model?

He has shown that he is willing to use the forms of parliament to denounce a church as “criminal” with allegations based on nothing more than sensationalist stories, with no other evidence tabled to date.

As an experienced media operator he knows how to use the media for best effect. His Chief of Staff is former Today Tonight reporter Rohan Wenn, an old hand at such tactics.

Xenophon has refused to meet Church representatives or members for almost 6 months despite repeated invitations. The tactic of labeling and publicly denigrating a group before it is destroyed is one that that has been used throughout history.

Even the most deservedly accused criminal has a right to state a defence openly in a fair and objective forum. We too deserve this chance. Senator Xenophon tactics have prepared the way for any defence of Scientology’s position to be ignored due to his denigration of Scientologists and this is shockingly unfair.

The former members have evolved as the focal point for a discussion on the nature of Scientology. Each of them long-term former members, who spoke for decades in glowing forms about their faith and experiences.

Suddenly in the space of a few months, religious devotion has become entrapment. Education in Scientology is brainwashing. Incidents involving their own direct involvement are escalated and warped into “crimes” committed by the Church.

Such distortions become possible when love turns to hate. Other bizarre claims stem strictly from the imagination.

I will not argue at length here about the morality of treating unsubstantiated, unproven and untested allegation as truth. This is a matter for Senator Xenophon and his parliamentary colleagues to reflect upon.

In matters of tax exemptions, the Church of Scientology differs from many other religions and there clearly are confusions on a broader note. My church only operates through private donations.

Personal donations made to the Church of Scientology are not tax deductible so Scientologists pay tax on hard-earned funds they wish to donate as part of their free exercise of their belief. For the government to then tax the Church on donations received, would in essence be double dipping of the worst kind.

The Church of Scientology does not own or run any businesses. We are not an unfair competition to the profit-making sector. We only deliver Scientology religious services and our members donate to keep their church open and delivering such.

Also significant is the fact that we do not obtain any grants from either state or federal governments. No tax-payer money funds our social and community programs – we fund them all ourselves through our member donations.

In the last two years for instance Scientologists handed out nearly half a million drug-drug booklets on the streets, mostly one-on-one. Our hard work and hundreds of hours of volunteer work in the community is done because we care.

Such prejudiced behaviour breaks out from time to time in human societies.

In the 1960s, when Scientology was in its infancy and was criticised by the Victorian government, officials of the Church said they would welcome an investigation if the government would at the same time investigate the practices of psychiatry - it never did.

An attempt to legislate Scientology out of existence failed and the law that did pass was fully repealed in 1981 by the Victorian Health Minister, who stated that it was a “draconian law passed in a time of hysteria”.

The Health Minister’s wisdom was further confirmed when the unanimous bench of the Australian High Court judges proclaimed Scientology a bona fide religion worthy of full tax exemption in 1983.

So, with the support of a leading psychiatrist, Dr Thomas Szasz, Scientologists formed the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) in 1969. It was this group that exposed a raft of psychiatric crimes ranging from the drug-induced comas and deaths at Chelmsford private hospital in Sydney to the psychiatric slave-labour camps in South Africa.

CCHR has gone on to investigate many other abuses within mental health around the world. Its work has brought about the warning labels on antidepressants and legislation to enforce consent for the use of electric shock treatment.

Scientology is now recognised in most civilised countries as a religious group and our members are free to practice the religion of their choice, as they should be.

Scientology is unique in that it is a practical religious philosophy that answers questions about life and living. Its tenets can be used to improve one’s own life and to help others, but ultimately Scientology helps people regain their spiritual self knowledge.

These spiritual truths are not unique to Scientology - all religions have them or seek them.

As to the rest of Senator Xenophon’s allegations: Rest assumed the Church will take these seriously and is already compiling all necessary information and as we have said all along we will certainly cooperate with the authorities. But we will not condone a witch-hunt based on lies and propaganda and neither will the majority of other rational Australians.

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    • Mark says:

      08:37am | 10/03/10

      Also I know of this other crazy religion where the “priests” molest children and another where members fly planes into buildings. Any religious people criticizing Scientology are hypocrites. As ridiculous as you may see Scientologists, Atheists view you.

      And as far as Im concerned scientologiests have a long way to catch up to the millions murders in the name of god by the other main religions.

    • Dean Fox says:

      09:21pm | 25/11/09

      How does the organisation milk money out of its followers? The organisations’ current cash reserves are around $1150 million US. It is a very cash rich organisation with even more money stored up in buildings and other less liquid assets. All of this money comes from “donations”; where else does it come from?

      Every leaflet, booklet or DVD handed out by a scientologist is produced in house at very low cost but is paid for at a retail price donation from public scientologists.

      The reality is the organisation makes a huge profit from manufacturing things at low cost and selling them to public scientologist members under the guise of donation drives.

      Take the The Basics library drive, members are regg’d to purchase sets of The Basics to send to libraries. The members buy them for a retail price despite the cost to the organisation being lower than most publishers can afford because of the cheap Sea Org and RPF labour used.

      The aim of this drive is to have a copy of The Basics in every library in the target country. The facts are despite the number of copies of “The Basics” purchased by members at a retail price the numbers of libraries that actually have them on the shelves is small.

      Why is this?  Well it is because most libraries do not accept unsolicited books. Sometimes they are returned unopened so the organisation can resell them but often they are destroyed or given away. The organisation does not care about this as long as members keep buying more sets.

      Any scientologist can check how many libraries have The Basics on the shelves. I guarantee it is a fraction of the number it should be when compared to the vast amounts of money donated for this purpose by members.

      Ideal Orgs are another money spinner. Often the Ideal Org is purchased in advance by a front company with accounts in a tax haven, such as The Isle of Man. Only after it is purchased are public scientologists regg’d for funds to purchase it and renovate it. 

      Take the Pitmaston Building in Birmingham UK documented here thanks to some research by Anonymous:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr4qL9QD2ns

      Some one made £3/4 million profit in one day one year before the organisation officially claimed to have purchased it; a year during which they regg’d public members of scientology for donations to buy it and even claimed at one point they may not be able to afford it.

    • spark says:

      08:45am | 25/11/09

      @Paul, were you ever in the Sea Org?  If not then you probably have no idea about what really goes on in your faux religion. 

      I was in the Sea Org and know the allegations Senator Xenophon made were true.
      Have you ever seen an RPF’er running everywhere no matter how old or ill they were?  Did you ever question that?  I bet you didn’t.  You just assumed they were degraded, out-ethics people, didn’t you?  You bought the party line, Paul.

      Shame on you.  You let the lowly Sea Org staff work their fingers to the bone so that you don’t have to do anything but show up at the org and brag about how long you’ve been in scientology. I hope you’ve paid through the nose for this.  I pretty much know you have.  Next time you see a Sea Org’er ask them how long it’s been since they saw their family…or even talked to them.  Ask them if they have disconnected.

      The first time you read KSW and agreed with it you sold your freedom, your humainity, and your future to scientology.  You are just one of the walking dead.

      Wake up, blow, grow a heart, and do something constructive with what’s left of your life.

    • Paul Chapman says:

      01:20am | 25/11/09

      After being in Scientology over 25 years I have seen the likes of what has gone on over the past few days many times. it really is amazing how much miss information people read to form opinions. It makes you wonder just how much little truth society runs on. I think the article above is concise and factual,compassinate, and open to communication, with a willingness to engage others to build bridges to understanding and resolution, not war. >>PC

    • Dean Fox says:

      08:55pm | 24/11/09

      The objections to the organisation calling itself the church of scientology are not about the various beliefs and tenets they outwardly expound it’s about the secret internal policies that govern how the organisation conducts its affairs.

      It is about those policies that create and foster “aggressors” and “monsters”. It is these policies that make immoral acts the norm rather than the exception.

      The organisations’ paramilitary elite, the Sea Org are governed by rigidly enforced policies that run contrary to the beliefs the organisation outwardly expound.

      For instance, the organisation tells public scientologists, the ones they milk money from, that in order to to gain compliance one must gain affinity. The policies governing the Sea Org however state that fear gains compliance and the Sea Org is run on fear, aggression and abuse.

      Look at the interview with Aaron Saxton on YouTube. He admits to being one of the “aggressors” and “monsters” in the organisation’s elite paramilitary the Sea Org. He explains how the environment created by the organisation’s policies is one of abuse, coercion and inhumane acts. Aaron is just one of many. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HiF_89wVj4

      Even ex senior members of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology such as Marty Rathburn claim to want to change this environment to make it better. While Marty may have his own agenda it is clear he is saying there is something very wrong with the whole organisation calling itself the church of scientology and how it conducts its affairs.
      A senatorial investigation of the organisation is something the organisation fears because they know it will expose the dirty underside of the organisation, the one responsible for daily human rights abuses and countless immoral acts such as coerced abortions, slave labour, child abuse etc.

      If the organisation really has nothing to hide they should welcome the investigation, they always claim they will cooperate with such an investigation and yet when a recent member committed suicide they spirited away documentation that could have shed some light on the circumstances.

    • amanda says:

      08:41pm | 24/11/09

      I was Sea Org Member and - as many others who left - feel ashame for having supported this cult. Within the Organisation rules a fascistoid mentality. I myself was coerced to an abortion which I will always regret although I do have other children now. At the time I thought I was the only one and very lonley in my grief. Now I read on the x-scientologist forum about many of us. And, yes, church funds were used to pay for this. And yes, it is all about money - not about believe. In 1980 all sea org members where ordered to quickly do a so called “minister course”. That was necessary to become a “church”. I remember that no one took this serious. Since it was clear that this was just to be done in order to meet “wog”-preconditions (wogs is the so term for non scientologists) for tax exemption.

      I think that Virginia Stewart doesn’t know what she is writing about and who she actually tries to support.

    • Anonymous678 says:

      04:58pm | 24/11/09

      That article looks to be the biggest load of nauseating drivel I’ve ever seen.

      “Scientology is unique in that it is a practical religious philosophy that answers questions about life and living. Its tenets can be used to improve one’s own life and to help others, but ultimately Scientology helps people regain their spiritual self knowledge.”

      No, Scientology impoverishes and brainwashes its followers. If you follow it long enough you will end up as crazy as Tom Cruise.

    • James says:

      04:05pm | 24/11/09

      I have no money at all (I am but a poor student).  Is joining for free an option?

    • Another Surfer says:

      01:01pm | 24/11/09

      Besides so many ex-scientologists coming forward with frightening testimony regarding forced abortions, months-and-years-long hard labor, staff being paid under minumum wage,  false imprisonment, intense and coercive “fund raising,” the pressuring of its adherents to cover up crimes and abuses suffered at the hands of church staff, the use of the details of private, confidential confessions (which adherents are told are protected by pastor/penitent privilige) to discredit and/or blackmail adherents and ex-adherents and oh, so many other things, the church of scientology (as opposed to the philosophy of scientology) has the “global obliteration” of psychiatry as one of its most important goals.

      As evidence of this, one may view a church-produced video that contains violent images of a grenade labeled “Psych buster” which is blowing up buildings, and you can hear the crowd whooping and hollering in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86W_0aOaRgg

      It’s interesting to me this church is shouting “Freedom of religion” when:

      1) What they are being called to account for are crimes and abuses that are against the law of the land (are religions exempt from the law)? and

      2) This church wants to outlaw—nay, obliterate (their leader’s word) an entire area of thought—an entire science.  This church does not want you to have the FREEDOM to study and/or benefit from psychology and psychiatry. 

      Interesting, indeed.

    • MaggieMoo says:

      08:39am | 24/11/09

      This is NOT about the religious practices of Scientology it is about THE ABUSES and CRIMES committed by members and leaders of the organization. 
      I repeat, believe in what ever you want but you cannot get away with the innumerable crimes that have been committed no matter how loud you cry persecution. YOU are going down where you deserve to be Scientology.

    • ROFL says:

      07:33am | 24/11/09

      Silly piece this, by a paid tool of the cult. 

      At least if you didn’t know about the “Citizens Commission on Human Rights” as a Scientology bull-dust factory before, you do now.  “Take out the psychiatrists” eh - yeah, sure they will. As if.

    • intepid says:

      10:19pm | 23/11/09

      Ben says: “... are you able to step up with an adult answer or you going to persist in floggin your undergraduate metaphor into the grave.”

      The FSM is an analogy, not a metaphor. And it is a perfectly serviceable one at that.

    • Christina A says:

      07:05pm | 23/11/09

      Virginia Stewart is being disingenuous when she claims the Church of Scientology will co-operate with police investigations. The organisation defied a warrant from the Queensland Police for the files relating to Edward McBride, a soldier who committed suicide following alleged harassment from the Church of Scientology, including 19 phone calls and text messages in the two hours preceding his death. Instead the Church moved these files to the United States, citing confessional privilege, despite the fact that recently the organisation violated confidentiality in publicly revealing information from the files of former Scientologists, in an attempt to defame them in the St Petersburg Times.

    • stu says:

      06:33pm | 23/11/09

      There’s something just a little threatening when you see that Virginia’s job title is: “Social reform director”... and you realise she believes in aliens. She, for one, probably welcomes our thetan overlords.

    • SteveB says:

      04:38pm | 23/11/09

      Sorry Ben, I know L.R.Hubbard existed and had followers during his lifetime.

      Confucious and Buddha were both men who did not claim to be divine but mearly offered a path to enlightened living.

      Christ and Mohammed both had followers but acted as ‘agents’ to a higher power and again offered a path to enlightened living.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      04:34pm | 23/11/09

      I’d rather Xenophon over Xenu any day. The Church of Scientology has done many odd things in it’s life and I’m rather suspicious.

    • Suzuki says:

      04:18pm | 23/11/09

      Is it true that General Rumbonko from Nigeria (“personal enlightenment available for a price”) is one of the patron saints of Scientology?

      And even less seriously, I call on all who profess the one true faith to take up arms against the falsity of the Flying Spaghetti Monster personality cult.

      Everybody knows (and if they don’t we’ll cart them off in a spaceship) that the Baked Bean Benificence is the lord of creation, now that s/he has reclaimed that position from those imposters in Wall Street.

      The great thing about the Big Bean is that it can be seen as male or female or anything else, so we avoid all those tiresome debates about who is superior, and the usual tax deductibility applies in full.

      The not so good thing about Beanism is that it promotes a positive (ie, larger) effect on global pollution levels downwind, so any possibility of a sanctimonious merger with Pope Bob Brown’s Green/Red faction has had to be ruled out, despite the obvious similarities.

    • paul says:

      03:34pm | 23/11/09

      From what I’ve read about Scientology, it basically entraps people starting with the initial personality test, tellling them they need help (no matter how you answer the test ) and then presenting the solution - for a price.  A very expensive price which is essentially structured like a pyramid scheme, where you buy your way up the pyramid.  Deriding psychology and psychiatry is a fundamental part of their teachings, as what is more likely to counteract their manipulative teachings than psychology or psychiatry (which by the way is generally founded arounded people taking responsibility for their lives and taking control of their lives again, not giving control to a cult like Scientology).  There’s also been some interesting incidents where their teachings about aliens and so on were leaked on the internet.  Anyway, don’t believe me, go and google and you’ll find lots of similar tales to what Senator Xenophon mentioned from right across the planet.  I would suggest the Government or Police actually send someone in undercover to the orgnisation and let them get “recruited” and you can see how it actually works.

    • Joel B1 says:

      02:37pm | 23/11/09

      Bob Brown says “If the Scientology cult has nothing to hide it won’t be concerned about an inquiry,”

      But then again Bob hates the Exclusive Brethren too. What is it with independents and Greens that they hate religion? (but only the smaller ones)

      I think Bob’s Greens are so close to a religion that they’re attempting to kill off the rival “belief systems”. Certainly, you have to have a higher faith to trust Peg Putt who quit politics to become a “Climate Consultant”. But without the benefit of having a science degree.

    • Rhys says:

      02:30pm | 23/11/09

      @Grant Of course there is one very big difference: I’ve seen pictures of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • Grant says:

      02:24pm | 23/11/09

      @ Ben

      It is quite clear that I like spaghetti, and preferably the spaghetti is my god, it is a monster and can fly.

      Just because scientology does not have a historic figure to reference, does not invalidate their religion.

      You see, I think that there is no difference between scientologists and the other religions.  They all believe in an invisible omnipotent super being, just like my religion, the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

      However ridiculous the Scientologists belief system is, it is no more ridiculous than the others which have an unseen all-powerful being that can manipulate time and space and also created the universe.

    • Matt says:

      01:59pm | 23/11/09

      Virginia you really need to do more than a weeks worth of investigation into the cult.

      It’s a cult! Any church offers it’s literature for free. COS is a cult because it sucks you into their scam, breaks up families and goes after critics via financial, legal & psychological means.

      They have their own awards ceremony where they SALUTE each other! WTF.

      Ever heard about the story of Xenu higher level Scientologists believe?! No.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKpjKz1YqUY

    • Ben says:

      01:38pm | 23/11/09

      Grant congrats on the absurdist humour! Just wondering how it rebutts my point? If society did indeed hail you as a prophet with something profound to say while persecuting scientologists you might have a point. As it is I suspect people think you’re a smug smart a##. Btw are you able to step up with an adult answer or you going to persist in floggin your undergraduate metaphor into the grave.

    • Liz says:

      01:34pm | 23/11/09

      Any religion,sect or cult that preys on the vulnerable and is strict in it’s requirements for adherence to it’s rules is dangerous in it’s extremes and deserves to be outed.Brave man Nick..go!

    • Jimbo Jones says:

      01:03pm | 23/11/09

      What I’d like to see is for the Church of Scientology to answer for the monstrosity that was, ‘Battlefield Earth’.  ‘Why, oh why, oh the humanity’ I cried as I watched this shock-inspiring rubbish (my eyes were bleeding, truly they were).  I dismissed David Lynch’s adaptation of Frank Herbert’s Dune but not after seeing Battlfield Earth (oh no sir).  Such was the atrocity that I beheld that I became sick to my stomach and recanted all ill will that I had expressed toward Dune (note, Herbie is a much better sci-fi writer than Hubbie - it’s true and you know it, Hubbie is the Steven Seagal of Sci Fi writers whilst Herbie is like, Harrison Ford ya’ know).  Ya know, if ya worshipped giant spice-slugs I could go for Scientology (totally and those enviro-suits Kyle Mclachlan wore in the movie looked totally ‘boss’) but I just can’t get into Xenu and his intergalactic 747’s.  Thanks for your time scientology… FAIL.  Next religion please…

    • Fro says:

      12:58pm | 23/11/09

      Of course he used parliamentary privilege Virginia - you guys would sue his a**e off if he said it anywhere else. please say g’day to Xenu for me.

      If religion and money did not exist…...what a wonderful world this would be!

    • Bill says:

      12:37pm | 23/11/09

      I have been hounded mercilessly by Scientologists before.
      I once wrote a series of articles for a music magazine that were completely non-Scientology related, but two of the well-known subjects had famously been treated with psychiatric drugs for depression.
      Not only did my stories not mention the treatment, they didn’t even mention the depression.
      Nevertheless Scientologists were quite convinced I was validating the use of psychiatric drugs somehow and wanted me to both meet them to talk about their dubious Narcanon program - which essentially claims to be able to get people off heroin by going on a medically dubious sauna-and-herbal-supplements detox program - and write a story about how psychiatry was killing the world. In a music magazine.
      They were so persistent and so freaky - “Do you really want the suicides of young people on your conscience?” - that I stopped answering the phone or opening mail I suspected was from them. Oh yes, it was because “they cared”.
      In hindsight I should have called the police, but I was young and naive and just wanted the whole thing to go away.
      The point of all this being that is if I were Xenophon I wouldn’t go to a meeting with them either, I can only imagine what he may have put up with so far.
      After the experience I did a lot of reading up on the organisation. I believe that people can believe what they like, but Scientology is not a transparent organisation, and articles like this just show what a poor job they do of defending themselves: claim religious persecution and belittle former members who are making claims. What about addressing the claims and saying, “This is what we believe, this is how we operate”? I know what Muslims, Hindus and Christians believe, but Scientologists refuse to talk about their beliefs, aside from such vague descriptions as “a practical religious philosophy that answers questions about life and living”. Thanks to the internet most of us now know about Xenu, but just try getting the word to come out of a Scientologist’s mouth.
      And finally, do you think anybody would have a problem with an MP using parliamentary privilege to, for instance, discuss instances of paedophilia they claimed were being hidden by a church? I doubt it. That’s what parliamentary privilege is for - especially with an organisation that is so highly litigious.
      If you’ve got nothing to hide, then stop hiding it.

    • Brerfox says:

      12:26pm | 23/11/09

      Oohh — aahh!  Don’t all of you bloggers to this discussion realize that your NAMES have been TAKEN and are now on THE LIST that is being compiled to gather ALL DATA for further PROCESSING.
      Is this 2009 or 1984?

    • Kartman says:

      12:04pm | 23/11/09

      Does any think the similarity to the intergalactic lord Xenu and Xenaphon a little spooky?

      Xenu, was according to Scientology founder and science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the “Galactic Confederacy” who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology dogma holds that the essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm.

      No wonder it banned in Germany (and I think ) France…

    • Matt says:

      11:56am | 23/11/09

      L Ron Hubbard - ” Easiest way to make $1 million is to start a religion”

      “The Church of Scientology does not own or run any businesses” - oh, apart from the MILLIONS of dollars they will take from you to give you access to higher levels of enlightenment

      NO religion should be allowed to CHARGE for their “religion” or enlightenment

      And as for the garbage about the tax free status, they pay NO LAND TAX (the whole point of the tax free status, it doesnt cover income tax etc.)

       

      http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scientology+kills+people&search;_type=&aq=f

      Go research thse dangerous twits for yourself

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0heJlRGjLg&feature=related
      Please note this video contains GRAPHIC footage of people who have died while under the care of the COS

    • T.Chong says:

      11:52am | 23/11/09

      Ben 11:34 good idea about hiistorical persons except:
      i) what to do about Hinduism ? A monkey, an elephant, Sita Shiva and many other gods - probaly hard to believe they really trod the earth, but there are more Hindus than christians or muslims, so is their faith to be denied.?
      ii) To paraphrase the true modern philosopher ,Douglas Adams, preached:
      “Proof denies faith, and without faith (yur favorite god) is nothing.”

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      11:50am | 23/11/09

      “For the government to then tax the Church on donations received, would in essence be double dipping of the worst kind.”

      Nope.

      If I run a store that sells computers, my customers pay tax on the money they use to purchase from me. I, in turn, am required to pay tax on the income I make from those sales. My suppliers also pay tax, as do their suppliers, importers etc.

      It’s not ‘double dipping of the worst kind’ - it’s Australian tax.

      There’s no reason a church should be exempt from this. However, a church could spin their social and humanitarian activities off into a charity, which could elect for tax exemption status.

    • Grant says:

      11:48am | 23/11/09

      @ Ben

      I could not agree with you more with regards to these statements.

      “We all know that Jesus existed and that he had followers, we know Mohammded lived at had followers and likewise with figures such as Buddha and Confusius.”

      “but at least it is fact that they existed and were in their own lifetimes regarded as holy men.”

      It is just like with my church, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

      I and numerous others throughout the world are of the steadfast belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster.  It was he who created all that we see.  He is also invisible and can pass throughout matter with no difficulty.

      So Ben, I think it was predestined that you should receive an intercession and blessing from his noodly appendage, and to take communion of his holy righteousness meatballs of redemption.  Ramen…

    • David says:

      11:21am | 23/11/09

      Members of Australian parliamenst are even more reluctant to use their powers to interfere in religious belief after being embarrassed by the ill-advised actions of the Victorian Government against the Church of Scientology in the 1960s.  At that time the corrupt Anderson Enquiry produced a report that was soon completely discredited, and that State’s anti-scientology legislation was repealed in a few years.  The same happened to anti-scientology legislation in other States.
      Mainstream politicians aren’t going to waste their time and erode their credibility by going down that path all again. 
      But Senator Xenophon isn’t a mainstream politician.  He is a brilliant self-publicist, clever at adopting hot issues but lacking any political philosophy or long-term policy.  In this instance has has adopted the rhetoric of a small clique of very vocal ex-scientologists who have their own agenda.  Xenophon may have a short memory, or more likely he has never bothered to read the background story of Scientology and the people who have attacked the church in the past.

    • Scott Glennon says:

      11:20am | 23/11/09

      If I were a Senator I’d likely see no reason to defend my comments either, fortunately for the senator history and media opinion appears to be on his side. What I find interesting is how science and/or fiction has managed to evolve into faith… Personally I find the Church of Scientology quite odd. With Tom Cruise flag shipping, I believe they will continue to have problems.
      I think by preventing and or delaying the Australian Armed Forces or Federal Police from obtaining information related to a death could possibly have fueled our Government’s criticism, and rightly so…? Might be a good idea to stop being so secretive, it’s not the Australian way. Until then I suspect the Church of Scientology will maintain a very slow growth or rapid decline of followers within our country.

    • John says:

      11:04am | 23/11/09

      In ancient Rome, polytheistic and superstitious to the core, one tombstone epitaph longed to share some wisdom with the people passing by:

      Do not pass by my epitaph, traveler.? But having stopped, listen and learn, then go your way.?There is no boat in Hades, no ferryman Charon?, No caretaker Aiakos, no dog Cerberus. ?All we who are dead below. ?Have become bones and ashes, but nothing else.? I have spoken to you honestly, go on, traveler, ?Lest even while dead I seem babbling to you.

      This debate has been around for thousands of years. But I take heart that non-believers are still here and holding the believers to account. However I do wish that my tax dollars were not used to help convert the weak of mind and children to religion.

    • Zeta says:

      10:58am | 23/11/09

      Scientologists love Thomas Szasz, even though he was batshit insane. I kinda like him too, he’s batshit insane in the cool way Terrence McKenna was. Of all the strange people for a Scientologist to to name check in a Punch article though.

      Amongst Szasz’s beliefs were 1) Mental Illness is not real, it’s made up by the psychiatrict establishment as a method of control 2) we all have a right to kill ourselves 3) we all have a right to take as many drugs as we want.

      That third one, doesn’t really sit well with the Scientologist dogma, and is a clear indication that Szasz himself was probably not Clear. Which is indicated by the fact he has a surname that sounds like a Bond henchman.

      Anyway, I cannot bring myself to care about Scientology, and I don’t really have any sympathy for anyone who gets roped into their crazy and gets buyer’s remorse later on. It’s just one more organised religion, no more stupid or harmful than the others. Christiantiy had the Crusades, Muslims have their Jihads, Zion occassioanlly launches rockets at Palestinian civilians and Scientology has… David Miscaviage. I would be more comfortable being a religion that indiscriminantly murders people than one run by a gnome. That’s just me. But that’s not passing judgement on an entire belief system.

      Also isn’t it weird that there are all these accusations of Miscaviage beating people at Sea Org, but the guy is like what, 4 feet tall? Obviously his mitichlorian count or whatever is through the roof, but real Force powers? Surely the only way he could fight someone would be to shoot lightning out of his fingers.

    • Glyn Davies says:

      10:52am | 23/11/09

      ” Rest assumed the Church will take these seriously and is already compiling all necessary information “

      Let me translate this—“We will glean through all auditing and ethics files (confessionals) to release secrets and try discredit our ex-members”

      They did this in the U.S with regard to top level ex’s that spoke out to media in the U.S
      http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/

      “Even the most deservedly accused criminal has a right to state a defence openly in a fair and objective forum”
      That’s odd, because L Ron Hubbard and scientology tenet/doctrine says completely the opposite

      “In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”
      - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL

      “There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.”
      - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL

      Hmm Virginia, you think people cannot see behind the facade?

      “ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
      - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 18 October 1967
      [SP = Suppressive Person a.k.a. critic of Scientology]

      “as we have said all along we will certainly cooperate with the authorities”

      Just like you (church of scientology Australia) did with regard to a Burwood Magistrate’s direction RE your application to see a confidential psychiatric report of the woman whom had a psychotic break and killed her family members?
      http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22494340-2,00.html

      You DO remember the family, dont you.
      http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/i-just-butchered-my-family/2007/07/09/1183833402450.html

      Because we do recall you (Vicki Dunstan)stating that they were never scientologists,
      http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/scientology-denied-daughter-help/2007/07/09/1183833431861.html?page=fullpage
      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sect-to-reject-role-in-deaths/story-e6freuy9-1111113921790
      only to then recant because of the ‘flap’ that ensued.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOA42DDacCo

      Just like the flap over sending the suicided soldiers files to the U.S to try hide something
      http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26259836-421,00.html

      Virginia, you know as well as >I< (me having been a scientologist for many years and then seeing the truth and leaving), that all that matters is ‘the greater good’ and lying is okay as long as it srervices the greater good.
      Maybe you can submit an article about the scientology Training Routine TR-Lie?

    • AFR says:

      10:51am | 23/11/09

      It seems apt that during Movember, a movement which as part of its aims is trying to remove stigmas surrounding mental illness, the Church of Scientology, whose anti-mental illness and anti-depression drugs stance is fairly well documented, should come out of the woodwork crying victim.

    • Ben says:

      10:34am | 23/11/09

      First Xenaphon made use of Parliamentary Privilege to make his comments on Scientology. Virginia should take the time to educate herself about that, democracy, the separation of powers etc. If she did she would understand that people have died to defend the paramountancy of the parliament to ensure that the people’s elected representatives can speak without fear, favour of interference from the courts and regardless of the wealth and litigousness of those criticised - which in the case of scientology is certainly relevant given the organisation’s international propensity to ‘make use of the forms of’ the courts to oppose its critics.
      The Parliament’s privileges committee oversees the use and abuse of this right and the consequences of abuse can be severe.

      Secondly, while religious toleration is vital, it is possible to make a distinction between mainstream religious faiths and things like scientology. We know that Jesus existed and that he had followers, we know Mohammded lived at had followers and likewise with figures such as Buddha and Confusius. Obviously you aren’t required to believe in their divinity but at least it is fact that they existed and were in their own lifetimes regarded as holy men. The same cannot be said for scientology and it is utterly ridiculous to try and lump them together to build a case of toleration of scientology.

    • KB says:

      10:14am | 23/11/09

      I refer Virginia and all readers back to Senator Zenophon’s closing words.  “Ultimately, this is not about religious freedom. In Australia there are no limits on what you can believe. But there are limits on how you can behave. It is called the law, and no-one is above it.”

      Virginia, stop playing the religious persecution card.  Your beliefs are not being attacked.  The human rights abuses that are endemic in your organization are.

    • Anti-drug Campaigner says:

      10:09am | 23/11/09

      JP: I am a volunteer that hands out these anti-drug booklets. They cover marijuana, esctasy, LSD, cocaine, painkillers (abuse of, like Hillybilly Heroin), meth amphetamines, heroin and a general one covering a bit on each of the drugs. Mew booklets are coming out on alcohol, abuse of prescription drugs (delving into the parent’s medicine cabinet and taking what is there to get high - mighty dangerous stuff). We are about to print a few tens of thousands of the booklets. Pretty factual, no preaching and designed to educate so the reader can make an informed choice. I have encountered some very interesting comments on the street including some young adults who told me that they would much rather take a legal prescription drug to get high than risk taking some street drug. That is really scary - but they have pointed out that it is medically pure and readily obtainable and they can get a script in under 10 minutes from certain doctors. And they take friend’s prescription medication also without even knowing the side-effects and what different level dosages do to their body. It is an epidemic.

    • Ann of Perth says:

      10:05am | 23/11/09

      I have not get any support form you.
      Have you done anything for the poor, needy ,sick,homeless,Aborigines,drug addicts,hungry,orphans or for the country.
      Pay tax and stop using religion to hide from scrutiny.

    • Me says:

      10:01am | 23/11/09

      Sorry folks, no scientific edifice has collapsed here. The funny thing about those emails is that there is only evidence of anything damning in them at all if you choose to interpret certain words in one way out of many ways you can interpret them.

      The other funny thing about those emails is that erroneous musings from a bunch of scientists, some of which date back to 1996, are actually not refutations of the scientific arguments for AGW.

      Conspiracy theories are the habbit of weak minds, and there are some very weak minds on display in the comments here, the same sort of nutters who insist that planes didn’t hit the World Trade centers and allege Zionist plots, etc. But keep digging guys! I’m sure the evidence of a global Communist conspiracy to take over the world is waiting just around the corner.

    • harry g says:

      09:57am | 23/11/09

      Anyone who believes any sort of religious crap should be ridiculed and relegated to the lunatic fringe where they belong. They still say the Lord’s prayer at the beginning of each parliament. Says it all for me.

    • Nicole says:

      09:48am | 23/11/09

      I was enjoying this rebuttal right up to the point where Virginia Stewart started attacking mental health. To me it felt like she was saying, “Hey we’re not that bad! Look at all the terrible practises we’ve uncovered within the mental health sector!”

      @jp: I would be very interested to know about these anti drug booklets as well. We all know how one famous Scientologist feels about anti-depressants, and I’m interested to know if it’s a sentiment shared by the Church as a whole. It would explain their hatred of Psychiatry!

    • Patrick says:

      09:32am | 23/11/09

      Personal donations are not tax deductible grant, that is true, but what this article doesn’t mention is practically every other tax from which the Church of Scientology (and every other “church”) is exempt. Virginia has deliberatly skipped over this.

      It doesn’t survive on personal donations and the goodwill of others alone, you can be very sure of that. its has many other sources of income which should be taxed.

    • Elron says:

      08:34am | 23/11/09

      Other religious organisations typically proclaim their received wisdom in actively proselytising their faith.  Scientology differs substantially by sourcing an income stream from their adherents in order to attain higher levels of their received wisdom.  I understand that you need to part with quite a lot of money to advance along the doctrinal path before you start learning about the intergalactic evil-overlord Xenu.

    • persephone says:

      08:30am | 23/11/09

      ‘Scientology is unique in that it is a practical religious philosophy that answers questions about life and living. Its tenets can be used to improve one’s own life and to help others, but ultimately Scientology helps people regain their spiritual self knowledge.

      These spiritual truths are not unique to Scientology - all religions have them or seek them.’

      Er…say what? Scientology is unique by upholding spiritual truths which are not unique??

    • grant says:

      08:28am | 23/11/09

      Every person has the freedom to practice whichever religion they like in this country.
      So I agree, it is hypocritical of Xenophon.

      @ Patrick, please re-read the article,  author clearly details their non exempt tax status.

      On a side note, can I take the time to praise his noodlyness the flying spaghetti monster.
      May his noodly appendage bless you, so take a knee and be awe struck by
      his two holy meatballs.

      Ramen!!!!

    • jp says:

      08:25am | 23/11/09

      Should add, your drug booklets- are they just anti any drugs?  Even those drugs that save young mothers lives and people from years of depressive hell?  Because if that’s the case it seems very wrong to me.
      I’ve never seen any one hand those booklets out on street corners.  How does one get hold of a copy?

      Also, I donate money to plenty of charities - and have paid hard earned tax on that money prior to making the donations.  That is my choice - and think it very fair; and doesn’t stop me donating!

    • intepid says:

      08:18am | 23/11/09

      Scientology was invented mid 20th century by a narcissistic science fiction author with mental problems. On this basis alone it should be derided as a delusion/scam/cult.

      “Scientology is unique in that it is a practical religious philosophy that answers questions about life and living”

      That doesn’t sound unique at all. It sounds more like the Kool-Aid Tom Cruise has been drinking, which makes him believe that being a Scientologist gives him the moral framework to stop and help someone with a flat tire (because apparently it’s impossible to imagine someone being spontaneously helpful or generous otherwise).

      You want to advocate against the evils of psychiatry, join a patients’ advocacy group. Why on Earth must you go so far as to embrace the madness of Elron to do so? Is it so surprising that the man hated the field which might have taken away his delusions of grandeur?

    • JP says:

      08:14am | 23/11/09

      I am probably quite ignorant, but I was wondering how much charity work this Church does for the general public?  Do you feed the homeless, run drug rehabilitation/youth programmes, raise money for those who need urgent street help?  Salvation Army does an extraordinary amount, as do many other religions.
      I am completely in the dark about this.  Please take this opportunity to elaborate and enlighten us. 
      If you do nothing for “non-scientologists”, then just pay your tax like the rest of us.  I’d imagine there would be fewer complaints from the public.

    • westie says:

      08:09am | 23/11/09

      Adam Ferrier 08:23 says “...Dispensing of Existence: If you haven’t seen the light you are wedded to evil”.

      That’s a very good point in a wider context - I’ve often wondered what inspired Kevin Rudd’s egocentric and sociopathic flaming of anyone with different views to Saint Kev.

    • Ken says:

      07:58am | 23/11/09

      All the rhetoric in the world will not undo the mental, emotional, physical and social crimes committed by the cult of scientology. How many of your members are at this very moment, in locked rooms being pushed closer to bankruptcy?  Social improvement programs are good. But if they are carried out by thugs who coerce, threaten, and outright lie to obtain the forced donations then Society needs to know of this hypocritical usurping of their good will.

      The scientology organizations need to come clean and stop THEIR human rights abuses that are occurring around the world.  And don’t come to my home, or phone to harass me.

      Folks scientology needs to be seen for what it truly is. Some truths (which can be gotten elsewhere) mixed with lies, deception and mafia like coercion.  Any con man would be proud. Citizens BEWARE if you buy their PR you were duped. How do I know, well I and many of my friends experienced it first hand.

    • T.Chong says:

      07:54am | 23/11/09

      Adam 8:23am: the testing does sound unpleasnt, specially the bagging of you. It sounds almost as absurd as the catholic belief that everyone, including children are “stained with"Original Sin”
      ie you are sinful, even as a neonate because all humans are bad ,unless they join/brought up as catholic. Hows that for a bizarre teaching ?

    • T.Chong says:

      07:42am | 23/11/09

      It is absurd to label some religions as legit and others as fringe.
      Scietologists believe in Hubbard and spaceships. Catholics believe in Mr JHChrist and playing harps in the clouds, Hindus in monkeys and elephants- Hunuman and Ganesh as gods, Jews that they are THE chosen ones etc,etc,etc.
      Catholics vs Prottys, Christians v Muslims, and all types of combinations thereof, have killed and maimed and exploited far more many than Hubbard and his flying saucers could ever do.
      I can hardly wait for Sen Xenephon to get stuck into Opus Dei and The Orange Orders of the Masons. After all, he is not a hypocrit. Is he ?

    • Adam Ferrier says:

      07:23am | 23/11/09

      I personally went to see what the COS was about. I wrote about my experience on my blog at http://www.theconsumerpsych.com  In short after completing a ‘personality test’ they belittled me, made me feel bad about myself, and told me I had a personality so bad it needed “urgent attention”. They told me they had all the answers.

      The COS in my opinion fits neatly into Raphael Aron’s criteria for a cult (Cults: Too good to be true):
      1. Milieu Control: tota control of communications within a group
      2. Language Loading: The imposition of a language unique to the cult
      3. Demand for purity: A radical separation between right and wrong
      4. Confession: People admitting past errors to set them free (in effect binds them to the cult
      5. Mystical Manipulation: Orchestrated events planned to look spontaneous
      6. Doctrine over person: One must interpret ‘reality’ through the cults doctrine
      7. Sacred Science: The cult is right in what it preaches and has ‘facts’ to prove it. If you disagree - you are wrong
      8. Dispensing of Existence: If you haven’t seen the light you are wedded to evil (or as the COS says in its introduction video something like ‘you can choose not to join the COS but you can also choose to jump off a cliff’.

      Please make up your own mind.

      What the conversation needs is objective people who are not in the cult to understand what’s happening in the COS and report on it. That will require full transparency from the COS.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:18am | 23/11/09

      I like Virginia’s comment regarding a “witch-hunt”, this is an art form perfected by most, if not all religions. The facts, are that religion in all it’s forms, preys on the weak and uneducated, rather than help the poor it reaps $millions, mainly from the poor.

      People can believe whatever they like, but not at the expense of the rest of us. Tax exemption for religion should be revoked.

    • Patrick says:

      05:32am | 23/11/09

      Start paying tax like every other big asset hoarding organization in this country and you can practice and believe whatever the hell you want for all I care.

      Say hi to Xenu for me.

 

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