I was reading Stuart McDowell’s fun-loving article about murder and I found myself feeling a strange a sense of deja-vu.

Double Dragon's conflict resolution team.

About two years ago, when I first started at studying at Art School, there were two causes that I believed in with particularly more fervour than others. One was that heavy metal was roughly equivalent in value to pure Ambrosia, and that anyone who couldn’t be converted was a dullard, a dunce and a malevolent slime. The other was that fighting against the censorship of video games, and in particular the bloodiest, most violent ones, was a cause that any sane person should feel the most passionate zeal for, and if they didn’t, then they should feel the deepest, burning shame.

I suppose that’s fairly indicative of what I was like as an 18 year old. My hair was a silky black mane of heavy metal pride, to perfectly match the sleeveless flannel shirts, camouflage shorts and combat boots in which I was permanently outfitted. And I absolutely loved video games. And looking back, I was a pretty tasteless, and for want of a better word, boring kid.

And not because I loved video games, but more because of the type of video games, and indeed, the type of films and literature and “art” that I loved.

I was so easily impressed by the sight of a ridiculously muscled, armoured colossus, hulking about decapitating monsters and spitting pious, predictable wit out of his square jaw.
Or those endlessly mundane imitations of already stale Tarantino style gangster films, the pithy lines that become even more stilted when translated to the digital canvas.

I still really like video games. Even the things I liked then, like Gears of War and Grand Theft Auto, provide me some excitement, but not without a constant nagging feeling of irritation at the sheer obviousness of it all.

What really turns me on now, is humour, style, invention and any combination of the three. The idea of attaining the coveted “R” rating for the medium doesn’t really hold as much appeal as it used to.

I still completely support the opposition to censorship.

An artist has the right to present their opinions and ideas to through whatever narrative and conceptual avenue they see fit, and an adult has the right to choose to engage with it. Those rights should never be lost.

But I can’t help but notice that the games that seem to break the most ground often tend to be the ones with the least potential to be found objectionable.

Valve’s “Portal”, for example, is in my opinion, the best game ever made. It achieves more stylistically and conceptually through the use of simple, non-combative puzzles and witty, satirical monologue than any number of games have achieved with kilos of guts, swearing and bad taste.

Yes, censorship is awful, but perhaps gamers should spend more energy and time supporting and demanding inventive content and mature concepts in a medium that seems to be becoming desperately polluted by the turgid violence and sweary shouty sexy men that they’re fighting so hard to protect.

I’m the first to concede that my argument has flaws.

Just as in film and visual art, there have been many groundbreaking and marvelous titles that have been steeped in sex, drugs and violence. And some of those titles were in fact, censored or banned.
But if you actually examine the list, very, very few of them ever stayed banned, or censored for more than about a year.

More of an inconvenience, it would seem, than the major breach of civil liberty that we gamers feel we’re fighting against. Until Gaspar Noe makes Irreversible: The Video Game, I don’t think we’ll be missing out on much.

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    • Jeremy says:

      06:25am | 06/12/10

      The R18 thing is simply a recognition that adults and teenagers are different, and what’s appropriate for an 18 year old is not appropriate for a 15 year old.

      R18 is being misleadingly represented by the ACL as “anything goes” - but of course the extreme stuff would still be refused classification.

      Adding the R18 category simply means that the rating system can, like the rest of us, distinguish between adults and 15 year olds.

    • Seano says:

      07:34am | 06/12/10

      This blog needs a like button.

      The ACL are opposing classification of material for adults on the basis of weak science. There are a number of games that should be classified as R18 but are being classified as M15+ because censors can not in sensibly ban them from adults. Exposing children to adult material.

      It’s about time that common sense ruled and games classifcation was brought into line with movies.  The ACL needs to grow a brain.

    • AdamC says:

      08:23am | 06/12/10

      Spot on, Jeremy.

      Indeed, I suspect that our 15+ or no dice approach to game classification means some games actually get a broader audience here than in other countries where an 18/17+ option exists. You can understand how this would happen, as the censor is going to be a little reluctant to totally ban something.

      The example I use is an excellent dark fantasy RPG called Dragon Age: Origins. It was rated 18+ in the UK, but 15+ here. It seems like a perverse outcome when a supposedly ‘tougher’ system leads to mature-pitched games getting a broader audience.

    • philip says:

      09:48am | 06/12/10

      id have to disagree with the author of this article the fact of the matter is that gaming for many years has been ignored and placed in the incorrect world of children the average gamer is in their 30’s and needed to be recognised as such in australia.

      and in respect to your choice of genre or game that is simply your opinion as I tend to enjoy jrpg’s or fps’s for the most part I think games that are soley devoted to puzzles ie columns or dr mario for instance have no worth.

    • Matthew says:

      10:41am | 06/12/10

      AdamC, the best example is Alien Vs Predator.  The game was bad enough that the board thought it should be R18+ and banned it.  The developer refused to change it and it came back and got put to MA15+.

      So which is it, the board wrongfully classified it in the first place, in which case the board is not doing their job correctly or did they get it wrong the second time and allow thousands of 15 year olds to be exposed to something they shouldn’t?

    • Brian says:

      02:54pm | 06/12/10

      Exactly. Question one is ‘should we have an R18+ system?’. The question is the same as ‘Do 15 and 18 year olds have different levels of maturity and ability to filter content?’ The answer is clearly yes.

      The SECOND question (and the one which the ACL etc should be fighting on) is, ‘Now that we’ve decided that there should be an R18 plus system, what limitations should we place upon it?’ THERE is where we should be saying ‘No hardcore sex, no sexual violence, no torture’, not the debate about the category existing.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      07:07am | 06/12/10

      People who want an R18+ for video games aren’t wanting to see gore and sex in their video games - they don’t want children having access to these games.
      A lot of parents seem to think that a MA rating means that it’s OK for their 10 year old to play GTA because ‘it’s just video games’.

    • Chris L says:

      06:04pm | 06/12/10

      I hate to damage the argument but if I’m playing a game that involves shooting zombies I want gore. I tried the Australian version of Left4Dead2 where the zombies would simply vanish when you kill them and I turned it off after 2 minutes. I obtained a copy of the full violence version from overseas and I love it!

      I’m not a violent person at all, in fact my friends would all laugh at the possiblity, but I do enjoy a bit of fantasy violence against pixilated enemies and I am unashamed grin

    • Michael K says:

      07:10am | 06/12/10

      “But if you actually examine the list, very, very few of them ever stayed banned, or censored for more than about a year.”

      But if you actually bothered to further examine the list you’ll be hard-pressed to find a game that wasn’t altered in some fashion to fit the classification criteria of Australia and Germany.

      This article is just plain silly. I assume Duke Nukem is one those turgidly violent videogame characters that should be banished to the vault of ‘less sophisticated’ gaming? Colvin’s argument is shot-to-pieces by those pioneering and innovative games which just happen to be steeped in blood (Duke Nukem 3D comes to mind, in fact). Just because Colvin thinks Portal is subjectively “the best game ever made” doesn’t make violent games any less deserving of finding a place in the sun. Sure, there is a place for intellectual, innovative and mature titles in gaming (there always has been), but for every Alan Wake or Civilization there will also be a Gears of War. The abundance of violent gaming titles isn’t an oversight by game creators, or a lack of maturity, innovation or intellectualism of the medium; it simply represents what gaming has always been: an escapism. In my mind, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    • Matthew says:

      11:07am | 06/12/10

      Left 4 Dead 2, Grand Theft Auto and Leisure Suit Larry are 3 games that are all different to the generic shooter.  All are extremely popular (or have been in the past) and all would make R18+.  Left 4 Dead 2 became a M game when they took their knife to it and I refused to buy it in Australia.  GTA has been right on the border for some time and has had minimal cut from it.  Unfortunately LSL never got released here so most people wouldn’t know about how fun it is!

    • TimB says:

      07:17am | 06/12/10

      If I understand the point of this article correctly, it’s saying that the majority of the good games would never attract an R18+ rating anyway. Therefore there’s no real reason to argue for one as it’s not going to have any real affect on most gamers anyway.

      Now this might be true for many people. In theory. I mean I can understand the logic behind it as it pertains to me. None of my favourite games come anywhere near an R18+. (In fact I was a little surprised when The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princes ended up with an M.).
      I too subscribe to the belief that it doesn’t take blood and guts and sex to make a good game. First and foremost, gameplay is king.

      However just because a ruling on R18+ wouldn’t affect me one way or the other, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect others. Anything that makes parents think twice before buying little Johnny a copy of the latest COD title is a good thing. At the very least it might help to keep the snotty little bastards off X-Box live, where you can’t use the headset on a popular shooter without being subjected to a bunch of 12-year olds with tourettes.
      And of course it allows the adults out there who want to experience these adult games the freedom to do so.

      And that’s the principle between the R18 push. It’s all about choices. Making the choices available and making them clear. Just because we might decline to make a paticular choice does not mean said choice should not be available.

    • Shifter says:

      02:00pm | 06/12/10

      “At the very least it might help to keep the snotty little bastards off X-Box live, where you can’t use the headset on a popular shooter without being subjected to a bunch of 12-year olds with tourettes.”

      I think you’re hoping for a bit much there. I’d imagine these parents aren’t particularly clued in about what their children are playing, and even doing whilst they are playing. These are the parents who will be buying the latest and greatest regardless of rating, and ignoring the parental controls available on most consoles.

      I’m all for a R18+ rating on games, as it will remove some grey area around classification. However, as it is with movies, I see little evidence that people will take heed of the classification.

      Really I’m just bitter L4D2 got nerfed.

    • Andreas says:

      07:36am | 06/12/10

      Do a little research before you actually publish utter ignorant drivel.

      The point of an R18 rating is not to produce more violent games, it is to better manage the content that is geared towards adults and children.

      “Adults/Parents” need to learn the rules like they should know the rules for Movies and TV.

      The representation of R18 by many people is that suddenly this will open the floodgates of games with extreme content.  This will never be the case.

      An example the latest Call Of Duty game is rated R18 in the UK, it is rated 15 here.  That makes no sense.  The system is broken here and needs to be fixed.

      We are the only western country without an R18 rating for games.  Truth is video games have matured like their very first audience.  Australia needs to grow up.

    • Brian says:

      02:50pm | 06/12/10

      Read the article before criticising it with made up points.

      He doesn’t say he opposes the R rating (actually, he specifically says he supports the argument against censorship), nor does he say it would create more violent games.

      Basically, this blog isn’t really connected with the R18+ argument at all, and is just the author saying ‘I mellowed as I grew up, and think the best games aren’t the violent ones’.

    • Conrad says:

      07:50am | 06/12/10

      I don’t see the big issue here, whats the difference between listening to 50 Cent’s music, watching Pacino in Scarface and killing zombies in a video game?? Why doesthe latter earn the ire of politicians and family groups? I find it so hypocritical and unecessary when the haters come out of the woodworks protesting a move towards an R18+ rating for video games, like Mario will suddenly drop his pants when he rescues the princess or Sonic will begin snorting cocaine after selling all his rings!!! C’mon now! .

      We live in a post September 11 world guys, the earth is no longer that cosy, peaceful and keep your doors unlocked world of yesteryear that the 1950’s would have you imagine.  Why not allow us to escape into a fantasy where we can be in control of our own path and kill zombies, goblins or other things as we see fit.

      The stupidest thing I find about this argument is that if children want to access real gore and violence all they need to do is simply google “War in Iraq/Afghanistan”.  But we won’t censor this right?

    • Ceejay says:

      10:08am | 06/12/10

      The way Sonic runs, it’s like he snorts a line each time he defeats Robotnik wink

    • Conrad says:

      11:14am | 06/12/10

      @ Ceejay

      Robotnik is the biggest crackhead in Video game history.  Why would someone with so much intelligence beef with a hedgehog that can run fast LOL… Its like Stephen Hawking beefing with Usain Bolt.

    • Don Meadows says:

      07:54am | 06/12/10

      Great screenshot. Double Dragon was the arcade-hit of 1987. The teenagers that played this then are in their 30s to 40s. People born the same time are in their early 20s, able to vote, buy and consume alcohol or cigarettes as their own choices, but not purchase games for adults that were refused classification.

      In 1987, “Predator”, “RoboCop” and “The Running Man” were all available to rent on VHS. Ironically there was a rating system in place for those movies that also included ‘R’ back then. The same arguments basically transfer - the product was on shelf and available.

      This is not an issue about exposure to adult themes to children. It is an issue about including digital entertainment under the same system as books and film, something that could have been done in 1987.

    • Jordan Rastrick says:

      08:09am | 06/12/10

      I agree that the categories of “violent/sexual enough to be censored” and “highly innovative and artistic” rarely overlap - I think this tends to be generally true in all media, not just video games. The best artists usually choose to make their point with less shock and more subtlety, although there are very notable and important exceptions; Howl comes to mind for example.

      But yes, that doesn’t equate to justification for unreasonable censorship, especially not of the ludicrously inconsistent kind that currently applies to video games and only video games in this country. 

      Kudos for the Portal shout out by the way. I don’t know if its the best game of all time but its certainly up there - it achieveed that very rare game trifecta of groundbreaking mechanics, fun and balanced gameplay, and highly polished narrative and dialogue.

    • Rossco says:

      09:39am | 06/12/10

      ...and could be finished in about an hour. Way too short a game, that makes it miss a mark of brilliance.

    • Michael says:

      08:10am | 06/12/10

      Congratulations! After only two years at Art ‘School’ you have attained the status of Art Hipster. You are only showing early signs of the syndrome however, so there is still time to change your ways! Without change, I forsee future articles of yours heralding the latest video game made by a mentally challenged orangutan based out of a mountain cave in Nepal as ‘definitive’ pieces of work.

      Leave the mass produced art for the masses, and keep your elitism to yourself.

    • Macca says:

      08:11am | 06/12/10

      The best game ever made is Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Whilst the limits online gaming and graphics are constantly stretched and challenged by PS3 and Xbox, nothing compares with classic Nintendo gaming.
      As for the R18+, Jeremy pretty much sums it up.

    • Kate says:

      08:19am | 06/12/10

      I agree with you on Portal. It is the most emotionally arresting game I’ve ever played and when I’d finished it, I felt a big gap in my life where it had been.

    • Bert says:

      08:28am | 06/12/10

      The R18+ rating just isn’t about giving adults more decisions and information about what they or their children should or should not be seeing, it is also about recognizing that the MA15+ system is broken.

      Take Alien vs. Predator, it was initially refused classification because it did not fit into a MA15+ rating. I totally agree, it’s definitely an R18+ game. However, Sega refused to censor the game because they wanted to stay true to the source and appealed the decision. It was over ruled and the game was released with an MA15+ rating.

      This is a game where in every other country with similar Movies ratings systems gave the game R18+ but because of our system, it slipped through and is available to younger people who probably shouldn’t be seeing it.

      For some reason people think that because Australia will have an R18+ rating there will all of a sudden be a rush of ultra-violent hardcore pornography games. But Australia’s game market is tiny, we don’t have the influence for game developers locally or internationally to make games that cater to our market. They either get through MA15+ (when they should be R18+) or have minor changes, for the most part.

      Left4Dead 2 is probably the only exception I can think of off the top of my head that was heavily censored.

      So the next time you go screaming that “won’t somebody think of the kids” R18+ is just as much needed to protect the kids, as it’s needed so that adults can enjoy the games they want to.

    • tipster86 says:

      01:04pm | 06/12/10

      I agree with your summation: Gamers want a new category to allow more violent games, moral campaigners are worried about pornographic games.

      Why not cut a deal? Allow R18+ for violent games, and keep the current restrictions against pornographic games in place. Nobody has to step up and defend pornography, and adult gamers get to play the latest big studio releases without restriction.

    • Chris L says:

      06:12pm | 06/12/10

      I’ll step up and defend pornography. Maybe if there was more interactive media to satisfy the urges there might be less rape.

    • Mary says:

      08:32am | 06/12/10

      I agree with what Jeremy said.
      When will people understand that R18 isn’t going to let more violent games INTO Australia?
      If they think that’s the case, they are VERY closed minded as these games are ALREADY here. It merely to provide a better guide to people on what audience these games are made for. Aliens Vs Predator (this game boast the many different ways you can kill an opponent),
      is R overseas,  where as soon as a child turns 15, they can walk into any store and just buy it.
      This was unedited, unchanged, and is the same game around the world.
      On the flip side, Left for Dead 2 (who made the game PORTAL that is mentioned in the above article) , was disallowed and was changed so much when it hit the shores of Australia that it encouraged piracy and making off shore Steam accounts to Be able to play a genuine copy of the same game.
      You can’t really talk Art, when the ART gets hacked up and morphed into something else, and the lack of consistency on the games that’s is being allowed into Australia is making a lot of people scratch their head.
      I can see what Stuart McDowell is trying to say, people should put their energy in clever more mentally stimulating games, but with how visual and graphic MOVIES are these days, I can’t see how you cant ask a person not to get all hyped up when blowing up a few aliens/zombies/terrorist.
      From what I can tell, its more than just a censorship issue. It is a lack of education amongst the people buy the games and the ones letting them in. A correct classification will open peoples eyes when they realise its not for their 13 year old son.

    • Rossco says:

      08:40am | 06/12/10

      How about just wanting the same rights as adults across the world to play video games with more adult themes. Is that too much to bloody ask?

    • Mother Rose says:

      09:29am | 06/12/10

      What do YOU mean by adult themes?

    • Rossco says:

      10:52am | 06/12/10

      The same sort of things you would see in an R rated movie for example.

    • Grant says:

      08:43am | 06/12/10

      I agree that creativity can be expressed without massive amounts of violence but why should the GOV be allowed to oppress the creative opinions of these who wish too?

    • Luthar says:

      08:44am | 06/12/10

      The censorship debate is not about getting bloody sex-filled games in the country it’s about limiting access of the form of content to children. Having games in our country accessible to 15yr olds that should only truly be accessable by 18 yr olds is appauling. And the fact it’s such a struggle to get normal level headed people to see that is even more distressing.

      Yes a lot of games that are ground breaking these days are non-violent, and that’s great, but I don’t feel that point has any relevancing to the arguement. R18+ is not needed so adults have access to some wonderful game we are missing out on, it’s so that Johnnie in yr 9 can’t run round disembowling his brother every afternoon after school.

    • Grumpy says:

      08:48am | 06/12/10

      Metal sucks…for the record.

    • Q says:

      09:54am | 06/12/10

      So, what music should we like Mr Grumpy?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:15pm | 06/12/10

      I love metal music. But I hardly ever listen to metal because as awesome as the guitar is…its tough to find lyrics that aren’t an exersize in self promotion.

    • Chris L says:

      06:15pm | 06/12/10

      Try listening to rap some time Hot Tub. Metal is positively self-denigrating in comparison.

    • Charles Barkley says:

      08:49am | 06/12/10

      Retro games at the time were targeted towards a child market, so they were not overly adult. Now those kids have grown up and some of us enjoy a game with adult concepts and content.

      Left for dead 2 is a game in my opinion was completely gutted by censorship. The censored version ruined the immersion of the game.

      Games are like movies you won’t like them all and there will be bad releases and periods of bad releases. R18 is just about the government being a bit more serious about games and digital media.

    • Macca says:

      09:16am | 06/12/10

      @Charles Barkley, The censored version of LFD2 was trash. Such a sham

    • Dave says:

      08:52am | 06/12/10

      So whilst praising diversity in video games, you want them all to be similar, then subsequently whilst decrying censorship, its then only an inconvenience?  How are those fence-splinters going?  All consoles have the ability for parents to set restrictions on games played based on classification.  Use this feature and never worry about the “precious darling” seeing something they shouldnt.

    • Lee says:

      08:54am | 06/12/10

      WoW FTW. Yes there are other games out there and I do play them sometimes, but as I just turned 49 I think I have the right to decide which ones I want to play and when…

    • David says:

      08:54am | 06/12/10

      I’m not necessarily interested in ultra-gore, and definitely not interested in soft porn in games.

      What bothers me though are petty little things - such as renaming Morphine to Med-X in Fallout 3, and I think they removed an animation of injecting yourself as well.  Funnily enough, Bioshock shows your character every couple of minutes jamming a syringe into your wrist to recharge your Eve.

      You would think given the graphic content in Fallout 3 that giving a drug its real-world counterpart’s name would be a minor issue, but apparently not.

      Personally, I love games of all sorts - but I do tend towards the more violent games I suppose.  I’ve just about achieved 100% completion in Fallout 3 + all its DLCs, but I’ve also completed the original Rollercoaster Tycoon.  Go figure.

    • Hardworker says:

      09:00am | 06/12/10

      Will,
      You state… “An artist has the right to present their opinions and ideas to through whatever narrative and conceptual avenue they see fit, and an adult has the right to choose to engage with it. Those rights should never be lost.”  FANTASTIC, but what should also NEVER BE LOST is the fact that the adult population of this word have a responsibility to the children of the world to protect them from crap they don’t need to see.  We need to make sure that the adult can choose what he or she would like to see, but a child can not.  That is all.  Without proper censorship, us adults will continue to miss out as games just get banned because they have classification to put them in.  How many movies in the last 20 years have been banned from Australia?  We have R and X rating for film, and we don’t miss out on much, let me tell you.  Why should games be any different.  BRING ON CLASSIFICATIONS NOW!

    • Jamie Peterson says:

      09:09am | 06/12/10

      Jeremy is right. This isnt about “hey, lets see some more gore and sex!” it’s about recognition that adults are gamers too and should have the right to be able to choose what they want to play. And like movies, anything too extreme wouldnt make it, R rating or not.

      The current system bans any game not deemed fit for anyone under 15. Now considering that the average age of a gamer in australia is 30 according to a recent study, that doesnt make a lot of sense.

    • MissX says:

      09:18am | 06/12/10

      I don’t mind violence in video games in general

      But I mind if its unnecessary and just for shock value. It cheapens the game when I’m really looking at great gameplay and replay value, plot (if applicable) and of course character development.

      Games nowadays rely so much on fancy graphics and gore its ridiculous.

      I’ve had a Nintendo, Sega Genesis, PS, PS2, PS3, PSP, Game gear, Gamecube (but no WII because its for kids and most games on WII just suck.) - played hundreds of games, love RPGs, action, horror (specially survival horror!), strategy and puzzle games and seen the evolution of games since its almost infancy.

      I can safely tell you that while a certain level of violence is usually required for a game to be relatively realistic, depending on the subject/storyline, the latest games (God of War 3, anyone?) just absolutely suck in terms of gore.

      Its like its all about gore, like a competition for who can spew the most guts, blood and brains.

      Its just so unnecessary it turns you off.

      Yes, have an R18 for adult gamers like myself who don’t want to be mammy pammied and told what’s good for me.

      Some adult themed games or games where the plot requires a certain level of maturity for it to ripen (hard to find, really, in games nowadays) - but ffs, bring back the great old school games - FF7, FF6, Breath of Fire 3, Resident Evil (have you seen RE4? WHAT HORROR?!)!!

      As for people who advocate absolute censorship - let’s put it this way, would you like the Government telling you what you can do and what you can’t? What if all fast food were banned on the pretext of it being ‘bad’ for the consumer?

      If you’re a parent, be a parent and control what you children are doing, playing and viewing.
      I shouldn’t have to cop your irresponsibility towards your own children just because can’t be bothered to parent your kids.

      By the way, any guys and gals who’d love to get together and slumber party PS3 style? wink

    • Looking Forward says:

      09:35am | 06/12/10

      “By the way, any guys and gals who’d love to get together and slumber party PS3 style?”
      No but
      Could our avatars could hook up over the NBN and have simulated 3D sex through servo mechanical devices?

    • MissX says:

      09:58am | 06/12/10

      Lol, very nice one but simulated sex is so 2000.

      Well, you’d have to play Second Life to do that.
      That is if the NBN lives up to its billion mbps claim.

      But I don’t do Second life because I have an awesome first one already. smile

      Maybe meet a chick up in Second life, date in WoW get married via Maplestory. Haha.

    • James1 says:

      11:07am | 06/12/10

      MissX,

      Have you played Godfather or House of the Dead on Wii?  Definitely not for kids.

    • TimB says:

      12:20pm | 06/12/10

      Miss X appears to be one of the ignorant class of gamers who blindly propogate the standard Wii sterotypes.

      I’ve got a Wii and a 360.  And the Wii gets far more playtime. My favourite games of the generation are on there.

      To anyone who wants one of the best value for money gaming experiences available this gen, I cannot recommend Metroid Prime Trilogy highly enough

    • Chief says:

      09:38am | 06/12/10

      I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the slow uptake on an R18+ classification is technophobe parents. A significant portion of parents know less about computing than their kids and aren’t even capable of protecting them from inappropriate content in an M rated game. You want to throw into the mix an R18+ content game when they’re already clueless???

      Tell em they’re dreaming!

      Even as an avid gamer I say let kids be kids as long as they can be.
      They’re getting forced into growing up too quick as it is.

    • tombowler says:

      09:41am | 06/12/10

      Dude,

      Your article is drivel and quite frankly your a self-congratulatory knob. You talk with ironic nostalgia about how crap your tastes were and how pretentious you were at 18. A whole two years ago.

      In two years time you’ll read this article and truly know the meaning of pretentious.

      Through the fog of delusion and sanctimony you have managed to miss the point of the debate completely as others here have pointed out.

      I leave you with a bastardised quote from the irascible Dr. Cox:

      ‘Good story there dumb-arse; It starts out with a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues in the debate and ends up with a boring story about your taste in music’

    • Michael K says:

      10:02am | 06/12/10

      Bravo! The quality of this article needs a serious evaluation in the comments section rather than just a re-hash of the same old R18+ debate that has occurred time and time again.

    • Adam Diver says:

      10:25am | 06/12/10

      You have to question someone who looks back 2 years and laughs at thier intellectual maturity and life decisions, and then somehow turns around offering an opinion without any thought or contemplation that thier ideas, values, opinions might sound just as stupid in a couple more years.

    • Zeta says:

      11:07am | 06/12/10

      If you can’t pointlessly wank and navel gaze over the R18+ video game debate, what can you? I mean, take a step back from the ledge of seriousness - there is a debate going on this country about video games. Video games. I don’t even know how to illustrate that, I can’t articulate it. You’d need to sit me down with a pack of multicolored WTF crayons and a big sheet of We’re In Trouble Now Mum butcher’s paper.

    • Grant says:

      12:42pm | 06/12/10

      @ Zeta…

      huh?

      The interactive media industry is expected to gross $68 billion in 2012 and is the almost now the largest and fastest growing media sector worldwide.

      People take anything to do with $68 billion and hundreds and thousands of jobs generated by the industry quite seriously.

    • Betty says:

      01:13pm | 06/12/10

      @Zeta
      Like it or not, Video Games are a very integral part of our society, and they are a very legitimate form of media. You will find that a majority of people play them, whether it be on the iPhone or on a PS3. So I hate to be rude but it honestly doesn’t sound like you fully understand what you’re criticising.

    • Jolanda says:

      09:52am | 06/12/10

      Couldn’t they have two versions, one for teenagers and one R18+ for adults!  You might find that even many adults will prefer the watered down versions…

      I confess my kids play these games and not all of them are 15…..But they have older siblings who are 19 and 20 and they have access to the games via them and they all tell me that they are games, they are not real life and that they know the difference.  I have never seen any violent or aggressive behavior in any of my children.  Sure when and if they make a game R18+ the game will have to be locked away from the younger ones but honestly given the amount of sex, crime and violence kids are exposed to on TV these days (censorship there has been watered down) and that is presented as real life and not animation, you have to wonder what is worse.

    • JB says:

      09:53am | 06/12/10

      Mario Kart 64: Best. Game. Ever.

    • Macca says:

      01:23pm | 06/12/10

      Up there, but best game ever is still Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

      Clearly the N64 had some of the greatest games ever, Mario Kart, Golden Eye, Zelda. Amazing

    • James1 says:

      03:41pm | 06/12/10

      Both wrong.  Rome Total War, and then every Total War since.  But Rome is the best, because it kicked the whole thing off.

      Golden Eye was awesome, for an FPS.

    • James1 says:

      11:23am | 07/12/10

      Aw man.  Not even in the top ten…

    • braunman says:

      09:57am | 06/12/10

      On a side note related to this whole videogame censorship issue, it’s funny how many of these points being made mirror those from back in the early days of cinema. This very debate has happened before (eg freedom of artistic expression vs. protection of the youth). Remember the days where it was actually illegal to show criminal characters getting away with crimes? Where men and women weren’t allowed to kiss out of wedlock? The ironic thing was that preventing the depiction of harder hitting social issues in film just hid things like domestic violence. Nowadays we look at these older films and it seems like nothing bad ever happened in the 40s, but people were just as messed up back then as they are now. Because greater freedoms were allowed to filmmakers and news reporters, these hidden evils like domestic violence and alcohol abuse came to public awareness.

      This whole debate is nothing new. The only thing that changed when artists were given more liberties was greater public awareness of social issues. Pretending that these bad aspects of society don’t exist hurts us all.

      Cinema has been allowed adult content.

      Videogames should too.

    • Cam says:

      11:29am | 06/12/10

      Great argument!

      I never though of it that way.

    • Matt says:

      10:11am | 06/12/10

      I was always of pretty much the same opinion as this writer, I felt most of the games being censored were low brow and pretty irrelevant. Then I discovered Risen. Now whilst this game has bugs, flaws and certainly isn’t the ‘best’
      game I’ve ever played I really enjoyed it. This game was censored for Drug use. There was almost none and certainly not as much focus on drug use as one of the developer’s previous series’ Gothic. Honestly most R18+ games are rubbish but innovation is stunted by being so Victorian on Violence, sex and drugs. We need to be allowed to grow up!

    • hot tub poltical machine says:

      10:23am | 06/12/10

      I think the author here has touched on a really interesting trend about games – but it crosses over into other art forms as well.

      Computer games are popular – pop art I guess – and so most will trend to lowest common denominator (lots of absurdly obvious violence and sex) just like tv has – they will get dumber each year.

      But, and here is the hopeful part – there may be a niche market for intelligent games – just like there is a niche marker for talented musicians as opposed to attractive people singing by the numbers pop.

      Also has anyone noticed how so many forms of pop art these days advertise themselves as having “dark” themes. This is because some brilliantly intelligent “dark” films and games have come out in recent years. So marketers have started advertising films as “dark” because audiences are supposed to associated dark with smart. But sometimes dark isn’t smart – dark is just dark. Torture porn is not intelligent – its juvenile. Just because you have a character with tragedy in their past doesn’t make it smart. Sadly I don’t think marketers will pick up on this for a while, so we can look forward to years and years of every book, film and game being encouraged to have a rape seen or some crap because apparently that makes it a smarter story.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:51am | 06/12/10

      “scene” in the last sentence - sorry

    • Mark says:

      10:34am | 06/12/10

      The point of all the do gooders is to get rid of all violent video games or better still rid the world of all video games. They believe with total absolution that games are the devil. These are the same people when television was introduced proclaimed it will rot the brains of our children, it fact these people probably said the same about the radios, music, dancing etc. Video games are just the current scapegoat of all society ills, they don’t care about your rights as an adult to make informed mature decisions is censored. Basically they can only believe that the Devil puts temptation in the way of man and only by adhering to the word of God can you be saved from total damnation.

    • Gamer on says:

      06:54pm | 06/12/10

      You say do-gooder like it’s a bad thing.

    • This article sucks says:

      10:49am | 06/12/10

      “The coolest video games don’t need to be censored”

      What a bunch of crap… You sound like some Christian-propoganda-beating weirdo.

      Next you’ll be saying that the best movies don’t have any violence or adult themes in them - GROW UP!!!

    • Macca says:

      01:26pm | 06/12/10

      Clearly did not read the article at all. -1 internets for you.

    • Brian says:

      10:50am | 06/12/10

      I’m not going to read every comment on here, I’m at work on my break and I simply don’t have time. I thought that this was a very well thought out article (not what I was expecting). I think there are three issues: recognising the rights of adults to access R-rated material. Protecting childen from material which by rights should be R-Rated. And Game Quality which falls into two categories 1. games altered to fit the MA15+ rating are often poorly adapted resulting in poor quality gaming and 2 (the BIG ONE) the freedom of expression that an R-rating allows, not just to provide endless gore, but to reach for adult-level stories. Drama comes from the overcoming of obstacles (this is not an oppinion - look it up) adult (I hate that term - its been corrupted by the adult film industry) lets say instead grown-up obstacles are often of a nature which falls into the R-rating classification. What I want is exciting, dynamic gameplay wrapped around an intense and personally challenging story line where I get to make decisions and take actions which (Good God willing) I will never have to make in life, but through the exercise of such will make me think about the issues behind the action and from this, maybe, grow a little as a person. Socrates said that for a human being the unexamined life is hardly worth living; this is a big part of the role of the arts (poetry, sculpure, painting, theatre etc), the gaming industry should lay claim to a part of this legacy and elevate themselves clearly from purely entertainment to art form - and you can’t do this without free and full access the upper limits of acceptible presentation - the coveted R-rating.

    • b of perth says:

      11:07am | 06/12/10

      In today’s nanny state day and age Double Dragon would be banned….considering the intro scene is a woman being punched in the stomach and thrown over a man’s shoulder before being kidnapped….and lets not forget the best way to beat up the bad guys was to grab them by the hair and keep kneeing them in the head….oh and you could also throw knives at them.

    • Pat says:

      12:46pm | 06/12/10

      It is amusing to think it’d get a MA15+ or R18 (oh wait we dont have one of those)

      Ah the C64 those were the days.. none of this DVD business .. it was 3 1/4 inch or tape deck… “Boulderdash TM”  how i miss thee.

    • Gerard says:

      06:32pm | 06/12/10

      Older games often did include stuff like that…anyone remember Zelda II? You could replenish your health by having sex with a prostitute (this was never made explicit, but it was pretty obvious what was going on inside the house).

    • Grant says:

      11:12am | 06/12/10

      The R18 classification looks like it is going to get a serious look in; with a high possibility of being approved.

      Thankfully, the dangerous and outmoded fringe organisation, the ‘Australian Christian Lobby’ has failed in its mission to bury an R18 for interactive media. 

      The ACL’s constant moralising of society and its attempts to control what a reasonable adult can and cannot see are clearly unacceptable.

    • Tom D says:

      11:16am | 06/12/10

      Fallout 3 is one of my all time favourite games and it is obscenely violent, so much so that I think it got off very lightly getting an MA15+ rating, but the reason why it’s one of my favourite games is because of how immersive the world is, the beautiful atmosphere and the grand sense of adventure. These are the same reasons why FF7 and Wind Waker are are also among my all time faves, however those two are rated just PG. Most of my other favourites are rated G and PG too, though perhaps the reason why is that most games classified by the government and thus most games created are granted G or PG ratings. A rating and what that rating represents are not deciding factors in what games I buy and enjoy, and I want an R18+ rating because currently the government gets to decide whether or not a game deserves to be played based on things that as an adult, I am not barred from seeing in other media, and things that have absolutely nothing to do with how good the game actually is. Humour, style and invention and violence are not mutually exclusive, you admitted so yourself.

      I get what you’re saying, I’m not into God Of War or Call Of Duty, for example, because I find the violence in those games just too much and it makes me uncomfortable, but it’s not my business to tell people how to feel and that they’re lesser for not having the same values as me. Someone could just as easily feel uncomfortable with Fallout 3 for the same reasons. It seems to me that you feel so strongly about this because you’re embarrassed about your old opinions. In a couple more years you’ll probably be just as embarrassed about your opinions today.

    • Daniel says:

      11:36am | 06/12/10

      Resident Evil is great.

    • Trae says:

      11:46am | 06/12/10

      Today’s video games are, in general, shit in comparison even to two generations ago.

      Why? Because the current business model that gaming companies are running on (Micro$oft, €A and Activi$ion in particular) is pretty much pump games out with very little plot or engaging story, gouge gamers of a ridiculous amount of money for half-arsed games (Fallout: New Vegas is the latest example) and then encourage gamers to go and buy DLC for said games just so they can get the whole experience.

      But, that’s a whole different argument altogether, and I’m sure you’d be able to write a huge essay just on that.


      R18+ for video games should have happened ages ago, even if that’d mean that people like myself would have had to wait a little longer to legitimately play games that should have had an R18+ rating. (I’m 19 now, born back in the day of the SNES phenomenon) How all of this will be implemented, and whether previously “toned down” games will be restored to its original form, will be the next big question once the classification goes through.

    • Frew says:

      12:21pm | 06/12/10

      I’m > 30 and a gamer, theres plenty of 15+ games that are not appropriate for under 18. We wouldn’t let them watch it in the cinema but its ok in a game?!?

      Lots of people are getting hung up on utra-volient games that could now be allowed rather than the core of the arguement to protect the teens from existing games content that has to be classified in the 15+ market.

      The rating system needs to be changed to include an 18+ section; any computer savvy teen can just order a UK version of amazon.co.uk and by pass the Australian classification all together.

      Most teens can show your graphic stuff that would never be allowed within 2 mins in front of a PC. We need to get with the times and stop the errosion of childhood with adult material being directed to pre / teens.

    • tipster86 says:

      12:58pm | 06/12/10

      The real impetus behind an R18+ game category:

      Gamers are worried that as popular mainstream games become more realistic, their realistic depictions of violence will make them inappropriate (rightfully or not) for under 18s, and the best new mainstream games will become unavailable to an Australian gaming wasteland.

      Moral campaginers are principally worried that perverts and pornographers are waiting for an R18+ category to unleash a horde of sexually explicit games that will end up being played children.

      Compromise: Gamers get an R18+ category to accommodate increasingly realistic depictions of violence in new mainstream games. Sexual content remains, even in the new R18+ category, at the present levels (i.e. sexually explicit content is banned). Would satisfy most people on both sides of the issue, and be politically viable as it would not force politicians to defend pornography.

    • Bert says:

      02:16pm | 06/12/10

      The majority of 1st world countries have a classification system with an R18+ system, certainly the countries where the majority of games that appeal to an Australian market are produced.

      However the Australian market makes up a small amount of their sales, certainly not enough to influence the creation of a game to fit within a certain rating for our market. The idea that Australia all of a sudden getting an R18+ system and a flood of pornographic or ultra-violent games is ridiculous.

      The R18+ rating is to allow games to be rated correctly (A large amount of MA15+ games should be R18+ as they are rated overseas) and allows Australian adults to play the games they want to.

    • Papa Smurf says:

      01:13pm | 06/12/10

      Game designers need to get to grips with the fact that games (like Portal) can be enjoyable without being R18+. It’s almost like they want the MA rating as a badge of honour, and forget about FUN and GAMEPLAY QUALITY. Which is why I would buy a game! smile

      Kirby’s Epic Yarn, New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Donkey Kong Country Wii are all games that are immensely enjoyable, yet cute. Does being too cute matter? I say ‘no’, who cares as long as it’s fun? There are fun XBOX 360 games - Lips, Portal, Megadrive Collection, Sega Racing, etc. I have both an XBOX 360 and a Wii and find them both awesome, but I can’t get around the fact that heaps of XBOX 360 games are R18+, schlocky, sexist, formulaic, violent and gun-filled with no originality. I would get way more XBOX 360 games if they had better gameplay, because the graphics on the 360 outperform most other consoles out there.

      That said, the new Kinect games aren’t really my style. But good if you like that kind of thing! smile

    • Gerard says:

      06:55pm | 06/12/10

      Of course some games can be enjoyable without being rated R. Others require brutality to be effective. The Grand Theft Auto games are brilliant pieces of satire on American society, but without the ridiculously overblown massacres and the constant swearing and sexual innuendo they would lose their impact- kind of like the two-paced movie Kick Ass. As they are, they play like a South Park episode- violent and offensive (to some), but ultimately a well-constructed mix of entertainment and social commentary.

    • dancan says:

      01:36pm | 06/12/10

      An R18 category isn’t just about excessive sex or violence.  It’s about changing details of a game to fit into an M15 rating.  Two examples.

      1. Green blood in Left 4 Dead 2.  Zombies with Red blood was considered to life like for a M15 game.
      2. The Drug “jet” in Fallout 3 and fallout new vegas.  In the original version this was called speed but this was considered to promote drug taking to a M15 crowd.

      Both of these are examples while small detract from the emersion of the game and has nothing to do with violence.

    • MarK says:

      02:13pm | 06/12/10

      It is all about Cataclysm the next month anyway.

    • William Colvin (author) says:

      11:48pm | 06/12/10

      Zack Snyder shows the most gruesome scenes of decapitation and war in ultra slow mo with a thumping heavy metal soundtrack, and you leave the theatre unchanged and relatively unshocked.

      But Martin Scorcese shows a wide shot in which a man is beaten severely but all we really sees is two small figures in a large frame engaged in some fast and frantic motion. There is no blood, there are no guts. The scene is shocking and you leave the cinema thinking and talking.

      Zack Snyder shows a montage of breasts, fanny and humping. The audience feels slightly uncomfortable and forgets about it five seconds later.

      Ingmar Bergman shows a woman talking with a friend and describing in detail her first sexual encounter.
      We see nothing but her face and the reactions of her companion, yet most people see that scene and experience genuine arousal.

      The video game industry could stop imitating the Snyders and Tarantinos and learn a thing or two from Scorcese and Bergman.

 

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