The dodgiest place to go for information used to be Wikipedia.

Logo courtesy of conservapedia.com

In 2006, its burlesque unreliability was parodied on the satirical web site The Onion which suggested the on-line encyclopedia was celebrating 750 years of American independence.

This fake news story said that, according to the Wikipedia database, America was 212 years older than the Eiffel Tower, 347 years older than the earliest-known woolly-mammoth fossil, and a full 493 years older than the microwave oven.

“In fact,” Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales was quoted as saying, “at three-quarters of a millennium, the USA has been around almost as long as technology.”

Such delicious, star-spangled truthiness.

Over the years, however, Wikipedia has become more authoritative, with one study by the British journal Nature concluding that the free resource is roughly on par with the scientific accuracy of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

Fortunately a new, even dodgier on-line reference has arrived to fill the gap.

Conservapedia (motto: The Trustworthy Encyclopedia) is the work of American evangelical Christians who object to what they claim are Wikipedia’s liberal biases and mobocratic sensibilities.

The site looks and e-smells like the original, user-generated encyclopedia. But closer inspection reveals a disturbing parallel universe where the Ice Age is a theoretical period, intelligent design is empirically testable, and relativity and geology are junk science.

“Conservapedia strives to keep its articles concise, informative, family-friendly, and true to the facts, which often back up conservative ideas more than liberal ones,” Conservapedia writes trustworthily in its entry on itself.

“Wikipedia articles may contain trivia, gossip, profanity, and even pornographic/sexually explicit images. The latter three are prohibited on Conservapedia and trivia is largely discouraged.”

Hurrah!

I mean, boo.

I mean I have absolutely no idea what I mean which is likely to make me an ideal Conservapedia contributor.

The site’s bizarre word regurgitations make Wikipedia look positively scholarly (which is really saying something given the number of times vandals have inserted potty talk such as “poo bum dicky wee wee” into otherwise perfectly reasonable articles about Chinese monk fist boxing).

On Conservapedia, arguments are often circular, spelling is often unilateral, and grammatical and syntax errors flourish with abandon that is only the good, God-approved type of gay.

Contradictions, self-serving rationalisations and hypocrisies abound. Despite claiming to be superior to Wikipedia because it uses real names, Conservapedia lists someone handily called Conservative as an influential editor.

Administrator SharonS says her or his credentials include reading the bible in a straightforward or literal manner, while Jpatt boasts that he has blocked more than 2000 “liberal fascists/trolls/vandals/racists”.

If you’re concerned you might be a liberal fascist troll, simply consult the definition provided by influential editor TK who says vandals (aka internet terrorists) are those whose intentions are to argue with and dispute conservative or Christian points of view.

Does this mean Conservapedia is opposed to the principles of free speech? It’s hard to say. On its brief and extravagantly unreferenced page on the topic, the site expresses concern that hate crimes legislation will be used to stop preachers and others from saying homosexuality is evil.

Which it most definitely and factually is. At least if your information source is Conservapedia. 

The Big C’s heavily viewed homosexuality page includes a bunch of excitingly inflammatory sub-titles such as: Homosexuality and Parasites; Untruthful Homosexual Activist Ideology Cost Lives; and American Lesbian Women More Than Twice as Likely to Be Obese Than All Other Female Sexual Orientation Groups.

(Dear Rubenesque Sapphics, please don’t be too offended by this weightest generalisation: Heteropedia also claims a link between atheism and obesity, suggesting that – like playground bullies – it resorts to calling kids it doesn’t like a bunch of fatty boomsticks.)

The homosexual agenda entry, meanwhile, includes a detailed expose of, you guessed it, the homosexual agenda.

Friends-of-Dorothy goals are said to include destroying Christian morals, encouraging lad-on-ladism among boy scouts, preventing five-year-olds from attending therapy to “repair “their sexual preferences, and “undermining the resolve of latent homosexuals so their will becomes too weak to resist the temptations of homosexuality”.

Scary lot those homosexuals. Scary and also terribly tempting.

On Conservapedia’s feminism page, you’ll discover that so-called liberated women feign insult at harmless displays of chivalry, belittle and mock those who want children, and shirk traditional gender activities such as baking and wearing dresses.

There’s a glut of similar factoids on liberalism, found on pages with titles such as Liberal Stupidity, Liberal Hysteria, Liberal Denial, Liberal Deceit, Liberal Tricks, Liberal Obfuscation, Liberal Celebrity Obsession, Liberal Falsehoods, Liberal Hypocrisy, Liberal Myths, Liberal Lies About the American Right, and, of course, the Dixie Chicks.

One of Conservapedia’s many flattering reports about itself is that it fosters an educational environment – and it’s true the site is highly instructional.

But rather than revealing the truth about controversial topics such as where we all came from and what it all means, Conservapedia actually reveals the truth about the truth: namely that many “facts” are contested, subjective and relative.

Truth claims – which are pumped out by people of all political and Wiki persuasions – are often dressed up to look more truthy via the use of academic bells and whistles such as citations. But a little number at the end of a sentence does not in and of itself constitute reliable evidence.

Consider Conservapedia’s article of the month – the aforementioned piece on atheism and obesity. While this essay includes 67 impressive-looking endnotes, many reference biblical or religious blogs, while one links conveniently back to another Conservapedia page.

A big part of the site’s proof for its pagans-are-porkmeisters argument is the listing of a handful of celebrity atheists and evolutionists who carry spare tyres round their midriffs. There is also a bitchy deconstruction of photos of the American Atheist organisation’s board of directors which concludes that some are facing “challenges in terms of their body weight”.

Not so much evidence as nerny ner ner ner-ing.

In summary, Conservapedia is an exemplar of the propaganda-isation of information and an excellent reminder of the importance of reading critically and checking sources. And if you don’t agree with everything I just said, I’ll cast narky aspersions on your body mass index.

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    • Craig Mc says:

      05:37am | 10/01/11

      People like William Connolly are the reason why we can’t have nice things on Wikipedia - at least when it comes to anything remotely controversial.

      It’s tempting to think you can do better than Jim Wales, but the scale of the project is so massive starting your own isn’t realistic.  You’d just end up with a bunch of conservative William Connollys with too much time on their hands.

    • Tedd says:

      08:36am | 10/01/11

      There are indications many things on Wikipedia are edited in a skewed way

    • Eric says:

      05:39am | 10/01/11

      So I gather Conservapedia is kind of like a right-wing version of the New York Times?

    • rudy says:

      08:04am | 10/01/11

      Thanks Eric, for discovering that someone is making fun of something conservative and trying so hard to come up with something to correct the balance.

    • Shane says:

      09:23am | 10/01/11

      At least we now know where you get your ‘facts’ now, Eric.

    • James Hunter says:

      02:57pm | 10/01/11

      Bravo emma,even the new york times has ,sometimes, articles based in reality albeit skewed to fit editorial pressures. Conservapedia though is another thing again. anyone who believes in creationism ( or is it cretinism) belongs in a cage Still there are enough out there that believe in creatinism,opps creationism and even believe it or not religion that I am sometimes afraid to go to sleep at night. Just immagine the unbelievers like myself could end up in a dungeon being tortured as the church of rome used to do to heretics in their time.
      Nowadays we have the fringe dwellers of the Muslim religion and lunatics like Ack ack dinner jacket stoning women for adultery.
      We have not come very far   but one thing for sure if we believe anything on conservapadeia then we belong in the stone ages.May your Deity of choice protect you .

    • dancan says:

      03:47pm | 10/01/11

      @Shane - I was just thinking the same thing!

    • Ta says:

      05:40am | 10/01/11

      Ta.

      At least we now know where most of the sillier posters on Punch get their stuff from.

      But it ain’t them to blame. They’re all only pawns in the game.

    • acotrel says:

      05:49am | 10/01/11

      ‘The site looks and e-smells like the original, user-generated encyclopedia. But closer inspection reveals a disturbing parallel universe where the Ice Age is a theoretical period, intelligent design is empirically testable, and relativity and geology are junk science. ‘

      Sounds like mass schizophrenia to me!

    • True Believer says:

      07:53am | 10/01/11

      @acotrel:

      “Sounds like mass schizophrenia to me!

      I it surprising and disappointing that Punch published your comment above - most media these days are aware that the use of such psychiatric terminology as an insult or to describe something other than a sufferer of that awful illness is very much frowned on.

      Sane Aus has a stigma watch site which picks up such useage and calls the media responsible to account publicly.

      Please have regard for your many fellow citizens who struggle with this sickness daily and refrain from using such terms to pepper your posts.

    • True Believer says:

      07:53am | 10/01/11

      @acotrel:

      “Sounds like mass schizophrenia to me!

      I it surprising and disappointing that Punch published your comment above - most media these days are aware that the use of such psychiatric terminology as an insult or to describe something other than a sufferer of that awful illness is very much frowned on.

      Sane Aus has a stigma watch site which picks up such useage and calls the media responsible to account publicly.

      Please have regard for your many fellow citizens who struggle with this sickness daily and refrain from using such terms to pepper your posts.

    • James1 says:

      08:56am | 10/01/11

      Sounds like political correctness gone mad to me, True Believer.

    • PD says:

      09:15am | 10/01/11

      True Believer, can we assume that you don’t suffer from schizophrenia/bipolar disorder, because your two posts are identical?

    • Shane says:

      09:22am | 10/01/11

      If he had used the word schizophrenic he would have been fine though, is that correct? After all, it is in the dictionary as: “a situation or condition that results from the coexistence of disparate or antagonistic qualities, identities, or activities.”

      Sorry, but I just think that calling someone out for a word you find less-than-ideal is a bit much. While we use hushed tones around words like ‘cancer’ and ‘rape’ people use the word ‘kill’ every day in a thousand ways (I killed that guy in tennis yesterday. I’d kill for a coffee. She’s a conversation killer. How embarassing - kill me now!) with no regard for the families of murder victims. Are we to call them out on such behaviour? No. Be offended, by all means, but calling someone out for a passing reference strikes me as hypersensitive and perhaps adding to the stigma by implying it is necessary to be sensitive around the word schizophrenia.

    • Markus says:

      09:27am | 10/01/11

      Is that true TB?
      I know groups such as Sane Aus understandably deride the use of terms such as ‘retarded’ as a pejorative, but do they extend it as far as deriding any use of psychiatric terminology, even for situations where an action bears striking similarities to common traits of a specific disorder?

      Seems like being that anal about it would do more harm than good to their goal.

    • Tombowler says:

      01:53pm | 10/01/11

      @True Believer

      Are you insane man? Your posting implies bi-polar or at very least aspergers… Maybe you’ve just got a touch of the downs?

      Get over it bro! It’s only offensive should you choose to be offended by it. I for one take heart that acotrel isn’t some twat who spends his time wondering whether innocuous comments will offend the chronically unimaginative morons such as yourself that delight in the offense of imagined slights….

      (Is my use of “Twat” their offensive to women? or is it simply a quaint colloquialism? In truth, I don’t give a sh#t.. I prefer it as an adjective pertaining to your good self.)

    • Elphaba says:

      02:10pm | 10/01/11

      @Tombowler re: twat - as a woman, no, it is not offensive (to me).  It’s one of my favourite adjectives. grin

    • LJD says:

      02:41pm | 10/01/11

      TB, as a BiP I’m ok with the comment, kinda funny actually.

      But your double clicking submit is doing my head in. Please, click once on submit and wait, it’s not like it’s going to make it go faster.

    • James Hunter says:

      04:36pm | 10/01/11

      True believer, If every one with any kind of problem were to become compulsively , obsessively overconcerned about common usage then we would all be in need of therapy.
      go get a life. even if you have top borrow it.

    • True Believer says:

      08:22pm | 10/01/11

      @James 1

      When you have seen what the ignorance of stigmatising mental illness does to those who suffer and those who love them, those who work to help them live their lives you would understand. To better inform yourself go to Sane and search for Stigma Watch. I can understand the ignorance of people, but in general the mental health agencies, government and non-government, have worked very hard to try to break down the stigmatisation of mental health problems. Much of their work has been with journalists and media generally to educated them to the harm (and believe me it does great harm) this sort of thoughtless use of psychiatric terminology as insults do.

      Given one in five Australians will have some form of mental health problem during their lifetime it is likely that some of those posting are, or will become sufferers.  It is the mindless inability of ordinary folk to understand that leads to people hiding their illness and can lead to tragedy in the form of suicide. It is much, much more than political correctness I can assure you.

    • True Believer says:

      08:25pm | 10/01/11

      @PD:
      “True Believer, can we assume that you don’t suffer from schizophrenia/bipolar disorder, because your two posts are identical?”

      This is the very sort of ignorant misuse of psychiatric terminology that has resulted in the terrible stigmatisation of mental health sufferers.  You make a joke of something that causes great suffering in your fellow Australian citizens and such mischief is ignorance and thoughtlessness in the extreme. I do not find it funny and anyone who does is bereft of compassion and sense.

    • True Believer says:

      08:30pm | 10/01/11

      @Shane:

      I am sure by your post you are trying to understand and that is encouraging.  The dictionary definition differs from that in the DSM1V - it is not split personality which the lay man often mistakes it for and thus uses it inappropriately.

      I did not make the post because it affects me personally, but I have known many, many people who would find it hurtful and stigmatising. I hope that helps you understand.

      Among these people have been some of the finest people I have had the privilege of knowing. 

      These are from online sites about Stigma and Schizophrenia.


      “What is Schizophrenia?
      Schizophrenia is an illness, a medical condition. It affects the normal functioning of the brain, interfering with a person’s ability to think, feel and act. Some do recover completely, and, with time, most find that their symptoms improve. However, for many, it is a prolonged illness which can involve years of distressing symptoms and disability.
      People affected by schizophrenia have one ‘personality,’ just like everyone else. It is a myth and totally untrue that those affected have a so-called ‘split personality’.”

      “Stigma is the perception of a group of people as less worthy of respect than others. Stigma against people with a mental illness involves inaccurate and hurtful representations of them as violent, comical or incompetent – dehumanising them as objects of fear or ridicule. Stigma can lead to self-stigma, causing a reluctance to seek treatment. This untreated illness, in turn, contributes to suicidal thinking and behaviour. Stigma in the media is especially harmful, because of the effect this has on community attitudes.”

      Thus the use of such words as ‘loony, nutter, mad, lunatic etc” are stigmatising. We have to be mindful of this I believe, having worked extensively in the field and having seen the pain stigmatisation can and does cause.

    • True Believer says:

      08:32pm | 10/01/11

      @Markus:

      “Is that true TB?”

      Thank you for your question - any term which stigmatises another person - this is especially true of those used to insult or ridicule is undesirable.

      I encourage you to go to the Sane site and peruse their literature.  The community needs to be much more well informed about something that is no joke at all and should not not be trivialised as sadly I too often see in blogs. I don’t think people are being deliberately hurtful, they may never have come in contact, or realised they have come in contact, with a person suffering a mental illness. For the sufferer it can be devastating.

      I say this in all seriousness because someone’s very life may depend on the perception that the community holds of them and the illness they may be suffering from. If only I could tell you how much good people can do by stamping out this abuse of terminology. I have known people who have attempted suicide or actually taken their lives rather than disclose to family, friends and other that they have a serious mental illness.

      For instance would we ridicule a group by saying - ‘oh they are a heap of cystic fribrosis, or they are a bunch of heart attacks, or they are a group of cancers’ - in the main thinking people would not use such terms to ridicule. Mental illness is no less painful and debilitating - when we stop using psychiatric terminology to ridicule others then we are progressing to be a more compassionate and civilised society.

    • True Believer says:

      08:34pm | 10/01/11

      @Tombowler:

      “Are you insane man? Your posting implies bi-polar or at very least aspergers… Maybe you’ve just got a touch of the downs?”

      You make so many erroneous assumptions. One being that you are posting to a man which you are not.

      None of your other assumptions are correct either. I urge you to read my other posts and see that this is not a subject to be trivialised.

      How you use language to describe women is up to you. Elphaba does not have a problem with it, but she does not speak for all women, especially those of us who are more mature.

      If you are unable to use the English language pleasantly that is your problem. I will leave that up to you, your education and parents.

    • True Believer says:

      08:37pm | 10/01/11

      @LJD:
      “TB, as a BiP I’m ok with the comment, kinda funny actually.
      But your double clicking submit is doing my head in. Please, click once on submit and wait, it’s not like it’s going to make it go faster.”

      You may have BP but you do not speak for all consumers and you do nothing to help them in their pursuit of a more just society.

      As for your comment about double posts, it has more to do with my laptop’s vagaries
      than with my desire to make it go faster, but thanks for you concern. I will try to make it conform. smile

    • True Believer says:

      08:39pm | 10/01/11

      @James Hunter:

      “True believer, If every one with any kind of problem were to become compulsively , obsessively overconcerned about common usage then we would all be in need of therapy.
      go get a life. even if you have top borrow it.”

      I hope you will read my answers to previous posts and see it is not a matter of being “over-concerned”  - I suspect that like other posters this is a subject you are not very familiar with.

      I have worked with hundreds of sufferers of mental illness and it is for them I ask for a more sensitive and humane approach from posters.

    • Markus says:

      08:40am | 11/01/11

      @True Believer your use of cancer was probably not the best example, as it is a commonly accepted term to describe an individual whose actions are detrimental to a group/organisaiton.

      I understand what you are trying to convey, but I still think there is a big difference between using a mental illness as a pejorative against someone, and likening a person’s actions (accurately) to common traits of a particular mental illness.
      Claiming that any use of the terms is unacceptable just adds to the stigma and reinforces that anyone suffering is ‘different’.

    • acotrel says:

      06:10am | 10/01/11

      I’ve just had a quick look at conservapedia.  Whoever wrote that stuff is definitely looney tunes - it’s just SO POISONOUS!

    • bleD says:

      07:13am | 10/01/11

      I agree, acotrel. But who will stop these loonies? There is no internet censorship.

    • TimB says:

      07:18am | 10/01/11

      Im happy to say that this is one of the few things I agree with you on Acotrel.

      Although I do wonder who will be the first commentator to try equate the crazies responsible for this mess with the entirety of the right side of politics.

    • Peter Fitzwilliam says:

      09:13am | 10/01/11

      This site is indicative of the direction the right wing hate mongers are trying to yank us in.
      I do agree with their analysis of the Australian Liberal party when they call them on:
      “Liberal Stupidity, Liberal Hysteria, Liberal Denial, Liberal Deceit, Liberal Tricks, Liberal Obfuscation, Liberal Celebrity Obsession, Liberal Falsehoods, Liberal Hypocrisy, Liberal Myths, Liberal Lies”

    • Tedd says:

      09:36am | 10/01/11

      PeterFitzW,

      the American equivalent of “liberals” are Labour and the Greens, and the right-wing-nuts are the equivalent of Australia’s Liberal - National coalition, and its members .....

    • Kevin says:

      11:14am | 10/01/11

      I looked at their entry on Elvis Presley.  I learnt that “rock ‘n roll” is a negro euphimism for sexual immorality and that Elvis’ obseity was not surprising given his atheist background.

    • Ryan says:

      12:07pm | 10/01/11

      @Peter Fitzwilliam: but Peter, speaking of deceit, how is that carbon tax we weren’t going to have or that prime minister that was going to be playing full forward for the dogs, how are the rest of your pre-election promises working out?

    • Peter Fitzwilliam says:

      12:58pm | 10/01/11

      @Ryan
      Do we have a carbon tax?
      I must have missed that.
      Can you link me where we have a carbon tax enacted into law?

    • acotrel says:

      01:37pm | 10/01/11

      I apologise to True Believer for touching on something he is sensitive about, but there is an aspect of schizophrenia where the sufferer lives in his own paradigm.  His truth is not the truth of the rest of us, even though his rationale cannot be defeated.  I suggest this fits the mindset of those people who follow this garbage, very well. I sympathise with anyone who has a mental illess, they might be mad, but they’re not stupid.  The trouble is that the mindset exhibited in conservapedia can gain a following.  The Germans followed an idiot into national destruction, and they’re a smart race!
      @ bleD - censorship never solved anything, prohibition would strengthen conservapedia.folloers

    • Ben81 says:

      01:49pm | 10/01/11

      Peter Fitzwilliam - Are you saying people should just shut up and watch her break a promise instead of calling her out on it while she works on breaking it?

      Julia Gillard, before the election-
      ‘‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,’‘

      Wayne Swan, before the election -
      “We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out,”

      Julia Gillard now that she’s not saying anything to win an election-
      ““I just think the rule in, rule out games are a little bit silly”, and so on.  I’m sure you know the rest of the story.

      if that’s not clear and simple enough for you then you’re a lost cause.

    • Peter Fitzwilliam says:

      02:20pm | 10/01/11

      Ben81
      Perhaps she is getting the details together to take to the next election?
      People change their minds you know
      The Conservatives were for a carbon tax and changed their mind.
      Happens all the time. What’s wrong with doing the research and figuring out how it might work in case the consensus builds more than it already has?
      Would you say the Conservative lost their way by proposing a carbon tax and then found their way by “realising” they had lost their way with this policy? OR do you think that the conservatives have just ditched any and every policy they had prior to Turnbull, Nelson and Howard?

    • James Hunter says:

      04:37pm | 10/01/11

      Peter Fitzwilliam,
      Sounds like the Australian Liberals too ??

    • Ben81 says:

      05:12pm | 10/01/11

      Peter -“Perhaps she is getting the details together to take to the next election?  People change their minds you know”
      Oh man, talk about a free pass.  It doesn’t matter what she said and made clear before the election, bugger all that, she can just change her mind once she gets in because she’s a Labor politician.  Got it.

      And your “but…but….the Liberals!” excuse ignores the fact that as far as i’m aware nobody voted for Turnbulls’s policy.

    • William FitzPeter says:

      05:36pm | 10/01/11

      Ben81
      Oh yes, - “Nobody voted for Turnbull’s policy”
      Only half the Liberals did, but I guess you missed that.

    • Ben81 says:

      06:32pm | 10/01/11

      William or Peter, whoever, as much as you’re desperate for a distraction here I don’t think a back and forth listing of various things particular parties have discussed and passed in cabinet that didn’t end up happening (i’m sure we could both go on all day about that) has much at all to do with saying one thing to voters during an election campaign and then dropping it once the election is over. 
      You don’t care because it’s Labor, simple as that.

    • LC says:

      07:09pm | 10/01/11

      Funny you mention that bleD, because these loonies quite like the idea of blanket net censorship.
      http://www.conservapedia.com/Internet
      It’s just unfortunate that these people and their attitudes aren’t limited to the USA.

    • True Believer says:

      08:50pm | 10/01/11

      @acotrel:

      I accept your apology, even if you did ascribe to me the wrong gender. smile

      I hope you will read my replies to others replying to my post. I really do understand that many innocently make these comments, not meaning for it to have serious consequence, but the reality is it very well can harm.

      Several generations back people knew no different, but I hope that in this day and age we have people who are better educated and more sensitive to the plight of people afflicted by these wretched illnesses.

      My comment has nothing to do with Conservapedia. It is not a site which would interest me so I have not bothered perusing it. 

      So I neither defend nor disagree. My main concern is for the well-being of ill people who struggle so hard to make it in a world often filled with so little understanding. 

      We can understand a broken leg, an appendics operation, or cancer, but it can be more challenging for us all to be sensitive to people suffering mental illness.  All I am saying is let us take up the challenge on their behalf. smile

    • iansand says:

      07:12am | 10/01/11

      Conservapedia.  Andrew Bolt and his ilk.  2 sides of the same coin.  Why let facts interfere with a good campaign of misinformation?

      Too much “journalism” is polemic.  Conservapedia is just a little more extreme.

    • Jim says:

      10:01am | 10/01/11

      Why do you Labor mules always assume that someone who despises what Rudd/Gillard are doing to this country must automatically be a right-wing, god-fearing, conservative monarchist?????

    • Mr. Mustela says:

      11:10am | 10/01/11

      Jim - The liberal union bashing mule
      Because they are?

    • Warren says:

      11:13am | 10/01/11

      Jim have you read Andrew Bolt’s ranting?

    • iansand says:

      11:24am | 10/01/11

      Because Liberal automata like you discover politics in the strangest places.

    • Bill Door says:

      11:59am | 10/01/11

      @ Jim

      No assumptions necessary just read Bolts blog and the comments from his supporters.

    • acotrel says:

      01:56pm | 10/01/11

      @TimB
      ‘Although I do wonder who will be the first commentator to try equate the crazies responsible for this mess with the entirety of the right side of politics.’

      Even on the right side of politics in Australa, most people are too well educated to suscribe to the sorts of commentary in Conservapedia.  The combination of ignorance and poison is comparatively rare in our country.

    • JIm says:

      03:55pm | 10/01/11

      Bill - I’ll admit I never read Bolt unless there’s a link to it in here. Though his piece after the Christmas Island boat crash made perfect sense. Based on that alone I can’t see what the fuss about Bolt is…but it was only one piece.
      Iansand - I’m a swinger mate. Always have been…definately not a ‘Liberal automata’ whatever that is? But because I took a massive dislike to KRudd and his ultimate assassin I’m branded a conservative…and all the adjectives that go with it.
      And Badger - ouch baby!!! Yes, I’ll continue to bash unions whilever they are corrupt and criminal and are solely there for a stepping stone into the ALP by non-celebrities.

    • James Hunter says:

      04:40pm | 10/01/11

      Jim, Why? Because mostly they are

    • DS says:

      06:39pm | 10/01/11

      iansnd, completely agree with you on Bolt and his ilk.

    • acotrel says:

      09:54pm | 10/01/11

      True Believer. Schizophrenia is a normal part of life which many gifted people suffer from.  If you look at who had it in history, the list is full of geniuses.  Isaac Newton, , Van Gogh, I think Alfred Einstein,.  Winston Churchill and John Curtain had the other end of the spectrum - bipolar disorder (manic depression).  Where would our world be if those people had never lived? If you have this illness, look at the benefits rather than the discomfort or the stigmatising by the ignorant.

    • True Believer says:

      08:17pm | 11/01/11

      @acotrel:

      You need to spend some time truly educating yourself to the real nature of these illnesses. The comments you make are too simplistic and insensitive.

      Schizophrenia like most illnesses is an individual walk, some have on episode and never have another once they recover.  Others have episodes of psychosis and illness with time of health in between. Others have a chronic illness which seriously impairs their ability to function without medication and support.

      There is another rising group, some who use marijuana can develop severe and lifelong psychosis.  Whether this is because of a predisposition to the illness or whether marijuana is a cause of schizophrenia is still being debated as far as I know.  I have a young friend who after having used marijuana developed a psychosis and it has taken him some years to come right.  I have also worked with young people who are suffering severe anxiety and/or depression as a result of using that drug. 

      Gary McDonald, the Aussie actor, was a victim of drug induced anxiety and severe depression as a result of using this drug and has made an excellent educational video to warn people of the dangers.

      You are not able to be assured you will go through your life and not have some form of mental illness. It is not something one can choose, although in the case of drug induced mental health problems it is obvious there is a choice.

      I hope that is of help to you in understanding it more.

    • shane says:

      07:17am | 10/01/11

      Its stuff like that site that make me dispair for the future.

    • marley says:

      08:17am | 10/01/11

      After reading Leo’s blog on vaccination, I thought I’d have a look at what Conservapedia had to say on the subject.:  “Parents routinely get their children vaccinated to ward off measles and several other diseases which most people in the 21st century have never heard of.”

      I guess they’ve never heard of mumps, whooping cough and polio.  They’re not deep thinkers, are they?

    • Markus says:

      09:34am | 10/01/11

      It’s weird, because I interpreted that quote you just posted as in favour of vaccination. ‘most people have never heard of’ meaning ‘most people have never needed to worry about as a result of vaccinations’.

    • marley says:

      10:15am | 10/01/11

      @Markus - I didn’t take it to be anti-vaccination, particularly, just highly ignorant of diseases which are still remembered by rather a lot of the population, even in the west, and which are well known to people in less salubrious parts of the world.

    • TT says:

      08:19am | 10/01/11

      It is truly frightening to think that the contributors to Conservapedia actually believe the rubbish they write!

      One (laughable) example…

      “Some evolutionary scientists assert that if human bones aren’t found with dinosaur bones, then dinosaurs and man didn’t live together.  Creation scientists point out that this is a false assumption; if human bones aren’t found buried with dinosaur bones, it simply means they weren’t buried together.”

      Creation scientists?!?  What the?

    • MrMac says:

      08:49am | 10/01/11

      ” ..  if human bones aren’t found buried with dinosaur bones, it simply means they weren’t buried together.”

      It was logistically impossible for Noah to deal with consequences of all the drownings as the flood waters quickly rose wink

    • Steve Putnam says:

      09:56am | 10/01/11

      There you have it! Cavemen must have been much more house proud (cave proud) than we ever thought. Instead of leaving bones lying around to attract cave rats they buried them after meals.
      Sara Palin, of course, has known about this for years. She’s so far ahead of her time!

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      12:22pm | 10/01/11

      Please stop, my sides hurt from laughing, this site is pure comedic genious.

    • A.K.A. says:

      12:57pm | 10/01/11

      Maybe the dinosaurs ate all the people? Duh!

    • Leah says:

      01:25pm | 10/01/11

      TT, your comment displays remarkable ignorance.

      Funnily enough, there are actually scientists out there who are creationists. Aeronautical scientists, chemical scientists, geological scientists, scientists from many different areas of science.

      Just because you don’t think it makes sense doesn’t mean anything.

    • James1 says:

      02:17pm | 10/01/11

      Its a strange thing Leah.  I know many fine academics who do wonderful, evidence-based work, who can then turn off their evidence seeking and requiring faculties and accept the word of a really old book which is entirely unreferenced and largely unattributed.  If I wrote something similar and made similarly outlanding claims, they would reject it out of hand, but wrap it in leather and say it comes from god himself, or at least his representatives, and suddenly it is gospel.  I have always wondered how they deal with the internal inconsistencies inherent in that situation.

    • James Hunter says:

      04:45pm | 10/01/11

      Leah, Just because THEY dont think it makes sense. I guess that is what you were trying to say ??

    • Jason Todd says:

      09:45am | 14/01/11

      Leah, When TT says “What the?” at “Creation Scientists” (s)he is not talking about scientists in other fields who believe in the creation myth. S(S)He is talking about scientists engaged in the process of attempting to prove the Creation myth scientifically.

      I agree with you, there are many scientists in different fields who believe in one religion or another. Some who even believe in the literal account of the bible. My own beliefs aside, I think that attempting to prove the factul accuracy of facts and theories that have been accepted and repeatedly demonstrated time and time may be an excercise in futility.

    • KH says:

      08:24am | 10/01/11

      Wow - Im an atheist and I am thin…......what does that mean?  Nothing I assume, just like most of this ridiculous website.  How did these people ever become so powerful with such stupidity amongst their number?  And lets face it, they have way more than their fair share of nutters…........

    • Elphaba says:

      12:33pm | 10/01/11

      @KH, if I ever get fat, I am so blaming it on being an atheist and not on excessive consumption of delicious chocolate cake nom nom nom.

      Nothing like a good scapegoat…

    • Luce says:

      02:21pm | 10/01/11

      Well I know my weight gain over the festive season was definitely due to an unhealthy dose of atheism. Better get back to church in order to slim down… I’ll keep up the excessive boozing and eating though.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:31pm | 10/01/11

      @Luce, let us know if it works.  I might consider a little religion to help shift a few extra kilos.

      Only until I fit in my skinny jeans though.  Then I can balance it with the occasional atheist treat every now and then…

    • Luce says:

      03:52pm | 10/01/11

      @Elphaba, put your faith in the lord, and he will make those skinny jeans fit like they’ve never fit before! And he’ll make your ass look super hot too. Not a bad deal really, all you have to do is suspend all belief in reason and logic. Huzzah!!

    • Elphaba says:

      05:28pm | 10/01/11

      @Luce if only religion was sold like this to the masses!  You could build a church - the Church Of The Super Hawt Ass.  I’ll hand out leaflets! grin

    • Trjn says:

      08:29am | 10/01/11

      Conservapedia - The World’s Greatest Example of Poe’s Law.

      The admins are so paranoid about trolls that they end up banning practically everyone. . . except the trolls.

      They’re also rewriting the Bible in more conservative language. That bit about “blessed are the meek” it’s actually “blessed are the God-fearing”. Also, a camel getting through the eye of the needle? No longer more likely than a rich man getting into heaven.

    • bella starkey says:

      08:33am | 10/01/11

      I get all my information from the encyclopedia dramatica.

    • Master Jedi says:

      02:01pm | 10/01/11

      Everything I need to know comes from the Wookiepedia.

    • Trjn says:

      02:19pm | 10/01/11

      For me, if it isn’t on TV Tropes, it isn’t worth knowing.

    • Sith Lord says:

      04:02pm | 10/01/11

      @) Master Jedi

      Pffft everyone know Wookiepedia has a blatant Light Side bias

    • Elphaba says:

      08:40am | 10/01/11

      *rolls around on the floor laughing*

      It’s got to be a joke.  But even itf it’s not - fair enough.  All people are entitled to their opinion… because that’s all it is, an opinion…

      I will believe that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together when they find a human skeleton in the tummy of a T-Rex or an Allosaurus (sp?) or something similar to those of the gnashy-teethed variety.

    • Markus says:

      09:53am | 10/01/11

      It will never happen. As we all know, dinosaurs are just a hoax started by evolutionary scientists, as part of a global conspiracy so sinister I dare not even mention here, lest the Freemasons use their mastery of time travel to ensure I was never born.
      I’ve already said too much…

    • Steve Putnam says:

      10:06am | 10/01/11

      You won’t find this because those creatures were vegetarian. A group of brilliant young creation scientists have come up with a plausible theory that the fearsome looking claws and six inch teeth those creatures possessed were in fact for ripping out of the ground and eating giant pre-historic carrots.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:51am | 10/01/11

      Uh oh Markus - better lock your doors and draw the blinds - or do they already know where you live?

      @Steve - is that so?  Brilliant!  If only such prehistoric carrots still existed, we might be on the road to solving world hunger…

    • KH says:

      12:01pm | 10/01/11

      Thats right Markus - the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, the reverse vampires, witches, the Freemasons, the Illuminati and the ‘commie russians’ have conspired to create the dinosaur myth, ark denial, the 9/11 conspiracy and probably assassinated JFK. 

      Man that website is ludicrous - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read some of the pages…..........

    • Elphaba says:

      12:28pm | 10/01/11

      You’ve got to laugh, KH, otherwise you’d cry… it’s tragic that such ignorace still exists today…

    • Andrew says:

      01:51pm | 10/01/11

      You’re all wrong!  God created the dinosaur bones and fossils and ALL the other evidence that the world is older than 6000 or so years to test our faith!  Or maybe it was the devil, I can’t remember what my sunday school teacher told me.  Either way, it’s a TEST designed to punish those silly intellectual people that use their god-given, err, I mean devil-given BRAINS to actually THINK.  Thinking is a SIN and will send you to hell!!  Why think when you have the bible to think for you?

      </sarcasm> (for the humour impaired)

    • A Geologist says:

      02:13pm | 10/01/11

      The problem is that it’s not “fair enough” when you have school boards who accept this as scientific fact and then teach it as “science” in the school system. Sadly this really does happen.

      I’m a university geology lecturer and I have honestly had American exchange students in the introductory first year course who have argued with me that the earth is only 10000 years old. Because that’s what they were taught at school.

      It’s all well and good to write these people off as a joke. Until you realise how far their reach goes. Some of these people have more power than you might expect.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:31pm | 10/01/11

      @Geolgist, that’s a good point.  I know it happens, I watch American news too.  But stupidity is not new.  If parents want to raise their kids this way, then no amount of pleading for reason is going to help.

      Does anyone else think the human race is on the way out?  That’s we’ve just about reached our pinnacle and now begins the backwards slide into our own inevitable demise?

      I’m in a real fatalist mood as of late, so I’m probably not the person you want to talk to about this.  I just think it’s funny.  Quite frankly, I don’t care if people think the Earth is flat, or dinosaurs and humans existed together.  So long as it doesn’t directly impact me… meh.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:36pm | 10/01/11

      Hmm, maybe for defeatist than fatalist.  Anyway, they’re linked concepts…

    • Shifter says:

      02:39pm | 10/01/11

      I have affixed my standard issue tinfoil hat, which I believe to be in pristine working order. Thus I am ready to commence editing Conservapedia.

      I will attempt to document my experience for the good of future generations.

      Have mercy upon me for what I am about to do…

    • Shifter says:

      03:38pm | 10/01/11

      Well that was anticlimactic.

      Apparently I need to register to edit, and on the grand scale of my apathy getting lunch is far more important.

      As a side note, the articles on music have a a really odd feel to them. Like someone’s scrubbed out the soul.

      @Geologist - as much as we’d like to think, the US is not a secular state. They are, after all, one nation under God. Extrapolating, that means the biggest war machine in the world is basically a Christian army.

    • James Hunter says:

      04:50pm | 10/01/11

      Andrew , BE careful !!! There is most likely some greoup of do gooders out there who check the media constantly for references to “humour deficient persons” (HDPs). You may be dragged up befor some catholic/freemason/devil worshipper to explain why you are denigrating those poor people who cant laugh.
      You have been warned ... this is no joke !!!!

    • remlap says:

      09:03am | 10/01/11

      And I thought the silly season was solely responsible for my suddenly expanding girth.
      Time to reconsider my faith (or lack thereof). This time next year, I will be happy in the knowledge that I can overindulge to my heart’s content without fear of obesity or trips to the gym.
      Oh wait… Damn you and your six deadly siblings Gluttony!!! I planned on spending that money I was going to save at the gym on male prostitutes.

    • Swingdog says:

      09:25am | 10/01/11

      It was even better a few years ago when a bunch of posters from the left-leaning Guardian Talkboards invaded Conservapedia and wrote some hilarious articles about odd British towns and practices.

      The Conservapedia editors, being too stupid for a long time, were unable to realise they were having the piss taken out of them. Fine days.

    • B says:

      12:23pm | 10/01/11

      A bunch of guys from the Whirlpool site did thte same to the ACL’s forum re: the Internet Filter. Some of the funniest stuff I had ever read. The ACL moderators really couldn’t tell the legitimate posts from the subtle piss takes!

    • TT says:

      10:11am | 10/01/11

      A reference to Harry Potter who has an entire section dedicated to him…

      “Since their release, interest and acceptance of withcraft has increased, particularly among the goth subculture, and many rides and attractions centered around the books are causing children to accept and admire witchcraft and magic.”

      This is all rather concerning, since the section on Witches states “The most secure method of destroying witches is to burn them, preferably at the stake” and then goes on to say “Since the liberal enlightenment and the rise of atheistic junk science the Biblical truth has been rejected and in many countries freedom of religion has been restricted by outlawing witch-hunting.”

      Fortunately, the countries in which witch hunting is still legal are also mentioned for peace of mind so I guess the kiddies can disembark the rides there and head straight to the waiting inferno rather than to the gift shop!

    • Chris L says:

      01:26pm | 10/01/11

      Yes, we are suppressing people’s freedom of religion by not allowing them to burn witches at the stake (assuming they survive the testing process).

    • Tombowler says:

      01:57pm | 10/01/11

      Wow… I found some funny stuff on there but that bit about the religous freedom in witch-burning.. Thats a litte beyond what one would expect of even this particular collection of drivelling idiots….

      I’m going to go look up GW Bush now… I suspect that will provide some good reading…

    • James1 says:

      02:19pm | 10/01/11

      Another funny spot to check on Conservapedia is the debate page.  One debate revolves around whether Barack Obama is a Muslim.  Very funny stuff, both the claims and responses.

    • JKR says:

      10:15am | 10/01/11

      Thank you - I am pretty sure this site will keep me entertained for weeks.

    • Grumpy says:

      11:25am | 10/01/11

      “The dodgiest place to go for information used to be Wikipedia.”.....thats rich coming from someone who works for News ltd.

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:41am | 10/01/11

      I think we should all encourage places like Conservapedia and warmly encourage as many like minded folk to participate and contribute.

      No really.

      It has got to be the best way of identifying these morons and catching them before they breed…...

    • Simmo says:

      11:59am | 10/01/11

      Just had a look and put in Sarah Palin and then Barack Obama and WOW!!!!

      The differing results you get for these people is amazing, this site is surely funded by FOX News somehow…

    • demeter says:

      12:21pm | 10/01/11

      This is an excellent site and I wouldnt mind betting that it will be banned before to long.

    • James1 says:

      12:35pm | 10/01/11

      I certainly hope not.  It is almost as funny as the rantings one can find on the Communist Party of Australia website.  However, much like the CPA site does for the mainstream left, Conservapedia gives mainstream conservatives a bad name.

    • Seano says:

      01:10pm | 10/01/11

      Don’t know about excellent unless you’re talking about it’s comic value.

      The site has been around since 2006 so doesn’t seem likely to be banned now. Although it certainly is worth ignoring.

    • Amanda says:

      01:21pm | 10/01/11

      If they are going to ban this site they would also have to ban the Greens web site as well. It would only be fair

    • astrid says:

      12:23pm | 10/01/11

      Just Brillant!!!!!!!!, its about time something like this was about.

    • A.K.A. says:

      01:33pm | 10/01/11

      HAHAHAHA

      I just did a search for Muslim (http://www.conservapedia.com/Muslim) it has a total of *58* words on the subject.

      I guess if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all huh?

    • Ben81 says:

      01:54pm | 10/01/11

      Newsflash - anyone with an opinion has a soapbox on the internet.  Conservapedia seems to speak for fundamentalist christians in the US.  They’ve been giving “conservatism” a bad name all over the world for a while now, nothing new.

    • Andrew says:

      02:02pm | 10/01/11

      It’s truly heartening to see that there is no argument about the stupidity and just plain wrongness of this ridiculous website on this forum.  Goes to show that, despite of our various political and religious biases, Australia is inherently a lot more sensible than the US, and that their particular brand of ultra-far-right, conservative christian lunacy has not (yet) invaded our shores to a significant.  Let’s hope that it never does.

    • Caz says:

      03:55pm | 10/01/11

      But the far left atheist progressives have their hands all over every level of government in Australia - notice the abortion, gay rights, feminist and multicultural activists partying like it’s 1917!

    • Tombowler says:

      04:06pm | 10/01/11

      Word to that Andrew.

      I would however, like to point out this is because of the general consensus we have here in Australia..

      1) Everyone knows that evolution in reality was closer to a flinstonesesque scenario in which dinosaurs were wise-cracking whitegoods.

      2) GW Bush hailed in a new era of global respect, dignity and introverted intellectualism for the office of the POTUS

      3) Harry Potter is a dangerous and evil book written as part of a conspiracy to convince young ‘uns to start sacrificing their pets and summoning devils

    • James Hunter says:

      05:04pm | 10/01/11

      Caz, dont for get the bleading heart catholic who would be prim monster ! Anti abortion anti worker anti social security pro big business   ,  wonder if he ever gets in will we have a reintroduction of “Dunking Ponds” as part of the legal system? Maybe live cremations instead of life sentences ?

    • Clazberri says:

      04:02pm | 10/01/11

      Wow!

      I’m lost for words.

      I just looked up atheism and apparently “Unlike Christianity, which is supported by a large body of evidence (see: Christian apologetics), atheism has no proof and evidence supporting its ideology.”

      “Christianity ... supported by a large body of evidence” WTF?

      “atheism has no proof and evidence” double WTF?

      How exactly does that site define ‘evidence’?

    • Tedd says:

      05:01pm | 10/01/11

      As “gospel truth”, Clazberri?

    • Seano says:

      06:34pm | 10/01/11

      Evidence seems to be defined as things they agree with.

    • Chris L says:

      06:43pm | 10/01/11

      I can belief that description made it to conservapedia after having read the “atheistic violence” website. I’ll believe some people will say anything without embarrassment now.

    • dancan says:

      04:49pm | 10/01/11

      Conservapedia on feminism

      “shirk traditional gender activities, like baking”

      bah ha ha ha ha!

    • macca-d says:

      04:54pm | 10/01/11

      Good news - the experts at Conservapedia say we don’t have to worry about climate change. 

      Contrary to what the leftie scientists would have you believe, the Earth’s resources are infact unlimited.

      Amen to that…..or should I say “Yeeee-haw”.

    • guy lee hanlon says:

      05:56pm | 10/01/11

      whats the difference between the Liberal Party of England and the Liberal Partyy of Australia?

    • marley says:

      06:34pm | 10/01/11

      Well, for one thing, the Liberal Party of England ceased to exist over 20 years ago.  So that’s a bit of a difference.

      The current British Liberal-Democrats are a mildly left of center party.  No one would describe the Australian Libs as mildly left of center. Most people wouldn’t even describe the ALP as mildly left of center these days.

      Errr, what was your point, anyway?

    • Chris L says:

      06:44pm | 10/01/11

      There’s fewer poms in the Lib Party of England?

    • guy lee hanlon says:

      05:59pm | 10/01/11

      the Australia version of Conservapedia has a Liberal Party cover and thousands of blank pages.

    • Black ops says:

      06:28pm | 10/01/11

      That’s pretty funny guy lee hanlon.  I remember seeing a book about 20 years ago called ‘Understanding Women’, that too was all blank pages.  Better to have a Conservapedia full of blank pages as opposed to pages of blank policy, or scribble made on the run and passed off as policy.

    • Dave says:

      06:31pm | 10/01/11

      That site is an even grater work of fiction than the Bible! Scary!

    • Tedd says:

      06:50pm | 10/01/11

      Yes, that anybody finds either tinged with any reality does grate.

    • Dave says:

      07:38pm | 10/01/11

      Admittedly i didn’t check the spelling but yes it is grating.

    • DS says:

      06:43pm | 10/01/11

      Apparently, homosexuality is rare among orthodox Jews! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    • kerrie o'rourke says:

      07:09pm | 10/01/11

      in any encyclopaedia, The Liberal Party of Australia and the Liberal Party Of Great Britain are defined as political parties tricking and deceiving voters with empty words, empty policies, empty promises, empty ideas, empty achievements, empty mind, empty thoughts, empty credibility, empty empathy,empty sympathy, empty meanings,empty meanings, empty values, empty rhetoric, empty labor hating propaganda and empty treasuries.

    • a liberal idea says:

      08:11pm | 10/01/11

      @ k o rourke Keep taking your meds and attending your therapy,it wont help but it will keep you off the streets

    • David Harris says:

      10:43am | 23/11/11

      I agree with the sentiment but I’ve never read this in any Encyclopedia. Which ones are you quoting?

    • Luke says:

      11:36pm | 10/01/11

      As bad as conservapedia may be… wiki is worse in my opinion…
      Atleast it doesnt pretend to be non-political/bias.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:41am | 11/01/11

      I hate school holidays…..decent conversations get ruined by illiterate non-entities…

    • Friedrich says:

      03:42am | 11/01/11

      The more you mock these people, the more resolute they become. How about civilised discussion rather than poking the lion through the cage with a stick? The polarisation we see in modern politics is as much the fault of the left as the right. Blockheaded conservatives and smarmy leftists. All with no class. I’m really sick of both camps to be honest. The political discourse in the English speaking world is more like that of the third world than sophisticated Europe…where one can have a nuanced political view. In Europe it is common to be anti-immigration, pro-gay, pro-environment, an atheist and in favour of traditional values. In the English speaking world you have to stick to the stereotype of what is ‘left’ and ‘right’. You never grew out of the 1980s.

    • Leigh says:

      09:10am | 11/01/11

      Who cares? And why do people with nothing better to do trawl for such rubbish as Conservapdia? When it comes to the growing number of crackpots on earth, ignorance is bliss. We have too much to worry about; too much information without have more tripe served up.

    • David Harris says:

      10:40am | 23/11/11

      Conservapedia could only really come from a country like America. The right wing of a country that has appropriated the English language and corrupted it to the extent that hybrid terms like ‘gotten’ and probably the most stupid of all ‘normalcy’ occur in almost casual conversation, America is nuts about religion. Whilst most of Europe is growing up and moving on, large tracts of the Bible Belt still cling to Adam and Eve. I think it’s the arrogance of it all that angers me. I don’t care what the hell they want to believe in and niether does the rest of the world. I often wonder how the middle east is taking this latest creation from the ‘land of the free’. ‘Conservapedia’. I know of Muslims who joke about it, but what do they really think? And as for the poor old Gays, boy do they get walloped by these rednecks. Conservapedia is a good enough reason to throw away the Bible and Christianity with it, certainly they’ve turned me solidly against it. Talk about oversell.

 

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