Update 6am: The ABC is reporting the non-disclosure agreement has been shrunk to just two weeks, making it impossible to see how the demand for seven years, or even three, was ever justified.

Details of the National Broadband Network business plan are apparently so secret that in order to see them you have to sign a seven year confidentiality agreement. But objections by cross-benchers have now forced the Government to more than halve the terms of that agreement to just three years.

Cartoon by John Tiedemann

If you’re confused it’s because the Government has embarked on a confusing strategy in a bid to solve its growing NBN business plan problem that will dominate the politics of the last sitting week. The Government is blurring the line between information that is commercially sensitive and that which is politically sensitive.

In a bid to pass the NBN legislation Communications Minister Stephen Conroy told cross-benchers they could see the see the mysterious NBN business plan, but they would need to sign a seven year confidentiality agreement. Greens communications spokesman Senator Scott Ludlam and other cross-benchers have politely told the Government to go jump

Senator Ludlam articulated his well founded objection to the confidentiality agreement yesterday:

“It imposes a seven-year non-disclosure option, which would be voided for the material that the Government eventually does put into the public domain . . . The confidentiality will lapse but I have no idea how much they intend to hand over.

“I just don’t think parliamentarians should be signing non-disclosure agreements in order to do their job,” he told the ABC today.

Tonight The Punch contacted Senator Conroy’s office and was told that the seven year confidentiality agreement was necessary to protect the commercially sensitive material in the plan.

But a spokeswoman for Senator Conroy office has also told The Punch that the confidentiality agreement that cross-benchers would now be asked to sign would be just three years.

So what happened in the interim?  According to the Minister’s office, after objections were raised by the Greens and independents to the seven year deal Conroy consulted NBN Co CEO Mike Quigley who then suggested a three year confidentiality agreement. Apparently the first seven year figure was recommended by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

A spokesman for Senator Ludlam told The Punch that he wouldn’t be signing off a three year confidentiality agreement, or any agreement for that matter:

“The idea that as a communication spokesman and not being able to share with the public details of the plan that he knows is not in keeping with the way the Australian Greens believe Government should operate.”

Other cross-benchers are yet to confirm whether they will consider the new agreement. 

At what point the NBN became the Manhattan Project is unclear, but making the cross-benchers sign a confidentiality agreement of seven years is obviously inadvisable in an already suspicious political climate around the business plan. Recent events in Parliament – including a successful motion by the Senate to release the NBN plan that Conroy is currently defying – demonstrate that not releasing the business plan is not a good political one.

Then changing the terms of the confidentiality agreement just conflates suspicion of the Government’s motivations in not releasing the plan before the end of the Parliamentary year. How can the Government say that it is necessary to sign a seven year confidentiality agreement for commercial sensitivity reasons, and then, having that rejected, quickly come back with a figure less than half of that? Is this Deal or no Deal? Either the information is commercially sensitive or it’s not - the politics shouldn’t alter how commercially sensitive it is.

The Government claims it can’t release the NBN business plan while Parliament is sitting because the information is commercially sensitive, but its management of the issue is making it look more motivated by sensitivity of the political kind.

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    • iansand says:

      06:29pm | 21/11/10

      Complete joke.  Either the plan stands on its merits or is crap and be ditched.  We should know the basis on which those whom we permit to rule us have made the decisions they have.

      Just another round of crappy politics.

    • Scot says:

      07:18pm | 22/11/10

      Ian, Yes spot on. It is crap and the reason it is because it is Labor and they have a list of failed projects growing by the week. Billions wasted and more to come. They have maxed out our tax payers credit cards, and the interest on the debt on debt will be there for many years to come. Of course Minister Conroy does not want his plan for his mates to make Billions at our expense. Global Telecoms experts are laughing at the stupidity of this Labor Government. And hat better model to sue than the failed NSW labor government fo 16 years that have also wasted Billions on big black party holes. The same muppets now in Canberra beating the same out of tune drum.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:33pm | 21/11/10

      Welcome to the world of ALP/Gillard politics. The nation is paying the price for voting in this incompetent excuse of a government. Here is a piece of news that isn’t a secret - Gillard and co are failing this country every single day.

    • Ben81 says:

      06:34pm | 21/11/10

      Can someone just email the damn thing to Wikileaks already?

    • Paul says:

      07:41pm | 21/11/10

      Commercially sensative? Who is going to compete with them?! And if there is someone who will compete with them.. why are they even entering the market?

    • acotrel says:

      09:50pm | 22/11/10

      Paul I take it that by ‘sensative’, you mean sensitive?  Some other idiot thinks the spelling of sparsely, should be ‘sparcely’.  How much credibility do you guys think you have when you can’t even spell?

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:07am | 23/11/10

      And you don’t need a comma after ‘sparsely’ Acotrel.
      How much credibility do you think you have if you can’t stick to the point of the debate?

    • Wlt says:

      07:47pm | 21/11/10

      What a load of idiots running our Country

    • acotrel says:

      10:00pm | 22/11/10

      Wlt, all men are born equal, but some are more equal than others!  Abbott is the biggest idiot I’ve ever seen in politics in my 69 years on this planet!

    • murph says:

      02:19am | 23/11/10

      No encounters with any mirrors then…?

    • What is going on?? says:

      07:50pm | 21/11/10

      If it was a anything by the Libs it would have been leaked pronto!!

    • acotrel says:

      09:56pm | 22/11/10

      What private company will ever tender for a government contract, if the agreement details are likely to be released to every Tom, Dick and Hairy? The NBN isn’t the only upcoming project, ever likely to be obstructed by the Liberal Party!!!!! There’s a good old saying in business, it’s ‘tell’em nothing and take ‘em nowhere’!

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:15am | 23/11/10

      The business case does not need to include details of provate businesses, just the profitabability of the NBN itself.  Details such as maintenance costs, running costs, captial costs, wholesale prices, all things we should expect to be public anyway.

      BTW, would you like me to correct your grammar in this post as well?

    • MIchael says:

      07:54pm | 21/11/10

      I’m sure Bob Katter would have time to read a report about changes to the sugar industry or changes to the dairy industry.  What a farce that he treats the NBN with such disregard.

    • Tricky says:

      08:01pm | 21/11/10

      Well, derrr Dill and Goose.  If confidentiality is so important to you offer the same agreement to the opposition.  Don’t play politics with this topic; there is too much money at stake and as it reads now, it will be unaffordable for those who wish to take it and if you are frail of mind and forget to say no, you will wind up paying much more for your landline than you ever should.  This is nothing but a greedy grab for money by a desperately inefficient government.  China’s slowing of it’s economy WILL affect our economy.  Absolutely no doubt about it.  Our Recession will hit hard simply due to the fact that Labor have already wasted any surplus monies we had, bailing out hundreds of thousands of ex-pats and family pets.  Enough is enough!  I hope Oakeshott and Windsor don’t get too comfortable in their chairs; they won’t be there long!

    • taiabada says:

      09:14pm | 21/11/10

      Absolutely agree with your opening 2 para remarks Tricky!  The rest…....
      Hmm.

    • Spanners says:

      08:02pm | 21/11/10

      Why is it commercially sensitive? There aren’t any competitors. The government treats us like idiots.

    • dennis denuto says:

      04:04pm | 22/11/10

      Spot on. It can’t be commercial in confidence if all it’s protecting is a monopoly which can’t be threatened.

    • Keith says:

      08:02pm | 21/11/10

      Conroy/Gillard, this is taxpayers money, not yours and this whole NBN cost effectivness is starting to smell.  The Business Case must be released to Parliament & to the Public - NOW!!

    • Gregg says:

      08:38am | 22/11/10

      @ Keith,
      I pungently and with odorous sensitivity definitely and totally disagree with you.
      There is no argument that it has not just started to smell but has had the white elephant dung aroma right from the start.
      Stuff like video conferencing, live links and transmitting medical information has been about for over a decade, there being continual improvements since.
      Anybody in their right mind would know it is not the infrastructure that Australia has to have and it just shows the level of intelligence/competence the supporters including guys like Tony Windsor have.

    • Shane says:

      08:03pm | 21/11/10

      i’d sign that agreement, then publicly leak it and leave myself to the mercy of australian voters and courts. this is so typical of Conroy, to hide his complete ineptitude, he tries to scare and intimidate or hide behind weasel leagal means.

    • Mark James says:

      08:04pm | 21/11/10

      Leo, seeing as “scrutiny” is the buzzword of the day, could you say how much News Ltd would stand to lose if the NBN rollout made the Foxtel cables obsolete?

      And could you say how the NBN’s enabling TV streaming competition might impact News Ltd’s Pay TV operations?

      Considering News Ltd is campaigning so strongly against the NBN, would it not be reasonable to declare its financial interests in the matter?

      And any comments on News Ltd running such an extensive campaign against Stephen Conroy (sorry, the NBN) just prior to Conroy’s decision on anti-siphoning laws?

    • Macca says:

      07:57am | 22/11/10

      @Mark James, the cables that Foxtel is fed through are owned by Telstra, so the impact on that would be negligible. The Infrastructure is already existing, it’s not as if a Labor Government would actually take away pre-existing infrastructure for their own political needs….

      Actually, Rupert Murdoch has actually spoken in support of the NBN (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/lets-focus-on-the-big-picture-of-the-national-broadband-network/story-e6frg9tf-1225939886830).

      The Australian particularly seems to have a pretty good track record recently. The Government (and the ABC) have been complaining that the attacks have been out of line and unfair. However, on the BER and Pink Batts Schemes, The Aus has uncovered dozens of cases of rorting and mis-management.

      It is entirely appropriate for a group of journalists to question why a government wishes to spend $43bn. If they didn’t question it, why the hell would they be Journos?

    • Max Vaunted says:

      08:18am | 22/11/10

      Mark James, don’t insult more than half of Australia by saying that News Ltd is the only entity interested in seeing that our money is being spent sensibly. I can’t believe that you, as an allegedly concerned citizen, wouldn’t be interested to know whether or not there is financial justification for spending not ten million, not one hundred million, but thousands of millions of our dollars. Political partisanship and paranoia are two things that can be taken much too far. This is not the Soviet bloc, and we all have every right to know what our political leaders are up to.

    • Trish Leehan says:

      10:58am | 22/11/10

      I get streaming TV over ADSL already (check out Internode’s FETCH-TV). It didn’t make me cancel my cable, because I don’t HAVE cable and never have had, anyway.

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      11:38am | 22/11/10

      I guess when you cant say something positive about the party you have to say something negative about the news source that is reporting on it?
      Its called deflection

      o and by the way

      news limited are not the only news company reporting on this new labor debaucle

    • Mark James says:

      09:25pm | 22/11/10

      Macca, Max Vaunted, yes it’s totally appropriate for journalists to question why a government wishes to spend taxpayers money. But point me to one article in which a journalists at The Australian questioned why the Howard government wished to spend taxpayers money on disarming Iraq of non-existent WMD? Or the continuing troop presence in Afghanistan? Not much scrutiny there as far as I can see.
      . I think it’s a valid point to raise as to why some issues are more deserving of scrutiny than others.

    • Gerard says:

      08:06pm | 21/11/10

      The ALP know that Conroy is fatally compromised by their unjustifiable internet censorship scheme. So if the NBN really was a great idea in the national interest, they wouldn’t be letting him anywhere near it; they would be getting the censorship legislation passed and then dumping Conroy from the ministry before introducing the NBN. Everything Conroy touches will be under immediate suspicion from the public. The fact that they have given him responsibility for the NBN’s introduction should set alarm bells ringing.

    • Alberto says:

      08:07pm | 21/11/10

      I love the whenever there’s a so called news story on the NBN, the Luddite naysayers come out of the woodwork waving there arms. Yes it’s expensive but have a look at the rest of the developed world, we are so far behind at the moment its a joke. If the budgy smuggler had his way we’d all be sitting around the radiogram listening to BBC world. The future !!!  move towards it or perish..  haha

    • Barry says:

      07:35am | 22/11/10

      @ Alberto, this is probably the most infantile, stupid blog I have ever read.

    • Keith hammersmith says:

      11:42am | 22/11/10

      Whats this got to do with the rest of the developed world?
      Is some how the building of infrastructure in Australia remotly comaprable to building infrastructure in a country like say Japan?  A country that could fit inside Victoria?

      As you may or may not be aware, Australia is one of if not the most sparcely populated country in the world,  thus our country will need differring solutions to other densely populated countries for practical reasons. (ie wireless)

      But then again i usually lose a bit of respect for a posters reply when the article they are replying to has nothing to do with tony abbott but they still have to include the term “budgy smuggler” in their reply.

    • Trish Leehan says:

      12:00pm | 22/11/10

      “waving there arms”
      “its a joke”

      .
      . .
      I see some of us are still waiting on the “Education Revolution.”

    • Rlon says:

      12:04pm | 22/11/10

      Go back to whirlpool

    • Ben says:

      08:08pm | 21/11/10

      I just wish Labor would release the darn thing already so they can get on and talk about things that really matter to the community!

      Labor and Liberal both spent a day talking about the NBN and the need for a business plan v no need for a business plan. And we’re paying for them to waste time and money for them to talk about it, when it has already been finalised.

    • Gregg says:

      08:46am | 22/11/10

      @ Ben ,
      The reason that Labor will not release it and why the opposition is holding them to account is that business plans aside which of course are thin on the ground, there is no justification for the NBN.

      It is a Kruddy, Dillardly, Goosely big Con royale and that’s what they are attempting to hide from those of the public who do not already know it.

    • acotrel says:

      09:43pm | 22/11/10

      Barry, I don’t see to much that’s stupid in Alberto’s comments.

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:21am | 23/11/10

      Acotrel, you having trouble replying to the right blogs?
      And it’s ‘too’, not ‘to’ (seeing as how you’ve started correcting people’s spelling and grammar today).

    • fed up says:

      08:13pm | 21/11/10

      Someone needs to remind the Labour Government that this is a democracy.  Until they are prepared to put the plan and its costings up to scrutiny, the whole thing should be scrapped.  Like so much else, it will undoubtedly end up on the back burner.  I can just imagine Wayne Swan’s sarcastic smug remarks if the coalition was refusing to release details about one of its proposals.

    • bigcrazy.net says:

      08:16pm | 21/11/10

      I’m starting to like this Ludlum fella’

    • bruce says:

      08:18pm | 21/11/10

      What a joke ... it’s claimed to be the most important project for our future BUT no one can know the details AND any competing project or technology must be made illegal so it can work ..... I smell corruption.

    • Bruce says:

      08:22pm | 21/11/10

      If the NBN is so damn good for Australia then the business case for the NBN should be a ‘no brainer’.  Whats the issue ? Unless there is something to hide, which I suspect.

    • Tracey says:

      08:22pm | 21/11/10

      Just another sign that this government is not fit to govern.  Wonder if the independents, or should that read, not so independents saw this one coming or have agreed to sign and won’t say a word to anyone.  Argh, it’s time to get rid of this awful government, in fact it should have been totally got rid of the last time.

    • leavinsoon says:

      08:23pm | 21/11/10

      the mere fact that it should be secret at all raises red flags ... lots of them….. are we a democracy? ... stupid question ... of course not we haven’t been for ages….. the only question is how long will australians continue to put up with this shite

    • Pedro says:

      08:29pm | 21/11/10

      What a disgrace. This so-called government should be sacked for treating the people of Australia (their bosses) with contempt.

    • FDS says:

      08:33pm | 21/11/10

      From this article one can only conclude that there is a hidden agenda. The consumer at large will suffer from this whole debacle. Do not be surprised that this NBN will cost $43 billion. this figure may doubled, and who will be the victims, yes you guessed it, of course the consumer. Theft by day light by politicians.

    • MarK says:

      08:35pm | 21/11/10

      This has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

      Conroy and Labor are deliberately hiding information. They have delayed and held parliament in contempt.

      I cannot think of anything like this before.

      And these are the guys that want to filter the internet?

      My god. The arrogance here is beyond anything I could have imagined. This is a government breaker.

    • Neal says:

      08:39pm | 21/11/10

      ...and Howard’s government never had secrets. ROFL.

    • MarK says:

      08:41pm | 21/11/10

      Another thought and a question to

      Question - Can anyone think of another situation like this

      Also wasn’t this going to be released in December anyway? I thought it was only held up while cabinet digested it.

      What the hell has changes? Is it so bad it is unspinnable? Serious shit when you are playing with $43 billion of our dollars

    • Trevor White says:

      08:41pm | 21/11/10

      Leo , Im guessing that you are a liberal supporter well you do work for a News Limited publication and your tone of this this article is very biased and im guessing Tony Abbott’s office put you up to this story.. You Sound like Tony Abbott Mr Negative .. But Leo you seem to forget when the Liberal Party were in power they would not release their business cases study s and even Tony Abbott when he was health minster would not release why he took a billion dollos out of the health budget !!! how funny is the media seem to forget well I haven’t and you haven’t fooled me

    • NicoleG says:

      07:20am | 22/11/10

      @Trevor, so because Leo, like the majority of us, want to see this ‘plan’, he’s a Liberal supporter? Personally I don’t know which side of the fence Leo sits, but he just doesn’t walk around with his head up his ass and obviously wants to know what the hell is going on too. You might like to walk around oblivious to the facts, but most of us don’t. This NBN is on the nose big time and it’s clear Labor are hiding something big. Wake up.

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:34am | 22/11/10

      Translation: “Here, look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey”

    • Tom says:

      07:39am | 22/11/10

      @ Trevor, stop your b/s and tell your man Stalin to stop hiding the document.

    • Macca says:

      08:01am | 22/11/10

      @TW, I normally interpret Leo’s pieces to be fairly balanced, if leaning slightly towards The ALP. I’d probably have him the most left out of what is a pretty central Punch journo team.

      I can’t think of any article Leo has written, ever, that has been more critical of the government.

    • TimB says:

      08:34am | 22/11/10

      And Trevor, the ‘billion “dollos” from health’ was a proven Labor con job. I vaguely remember Roxon even admitting as much around the end of the election campaign.

      Looks like you were in fact fooled.

    • Stunned says:

      08:50pm | 21/11/10

      This Government has got to go.  I have never heard such nonsense.

    • bob says:

      08:53pm | 21/11/10

      I know my country is going to the crapper when someone of the caliber of Conroy can hold a ministerial position. It’s just such a sad time for Australia.

    • Louisa says:

      08:53pm | 21/11/10

      Just how many suckers voted Labor because of this NBN?  Bet they’re sorry they did now. The people have an absolute right to know the details behind this lemon.  But then, the Government doesn’t want us to know, because then all those people who were sucked in will find out that it is, indeed, a lemon.

    • Gregg says:

      08:50am | 22/11/10

      Sure shows the ability of Tony Windsor and his ilk too Louisa.

    • Woza says:

      08:55pm | 21/11/10

      I can’t wait to see the same crackpots who defended the Liberals for not releasing their policy costings for no reason jump up and down and condemn Labour for not releasing a business plan (worth a lot less) for a valid reason. 

      What’s the problem with signing a non-disclosure agreement?  It doesn’t mean that they can’t stand up in parliament and say “Yes this is cost effective” or “The bush component is unviable”.  It simply stops them photo-copying it and giving it to Telstra so they can then plan a strategy around sinking it.  That makes complete sense to me.

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:36am | 22/11/10

      What? Are you conroy? How is 26 billion a lot less? And why would telstra try to “sink” it? Are you high?

      So many questions….

    • Woza says:

      06:00pm | 22/11/10

      $26 Billion is only a fraction of a government’s total expenditure.  The budget is something like $400Billion/year now.  Abbott’s maternity leave for the rich alone was going to cost more per year than the NBN and provide zero gain for the economy.  Get some perspective.

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:27am | 23/11/10

      Wozza,
      Abbott’s maternity leave was funded.
      Are you sure that you want to claim that maternit leave has no benefit for the community?  Then why did Rudd/Gillard go ahead and legislate for maternity leave themselves?

    • Terry says:

      09:00pm | 21/11/10

      Wish they would remember that they work for us, and it’s our bloody money!

    • Tamara White says:

      09:01pm | 21/11/10

      Here we go more rhetoric.  This country has gone backwards in the last 5 years instead of forwards just to keep incompetent individuals in power.  This is just a joke who can take these individuals seriously anyway.

    • Mick says:

      09:01pm | 21/11/10

      You only hide things that you do not want the public to see !!!!! A waste of money in the first place.

    • Mick says:

      09:01pm | 21/11/10

      You only hide things that you do not want the public to see !!!!! A waste of money in the first place.

    • Phillip says:

      09:01pm | 21/11/10

      The plan should be public knowledge, this is our money which is being put into the project, we deserve to know where the money is going and why.

    • snellie says:

      09:09pm | 21/11/10

      Hear hear! to Against the Man says, we who didn’t vote for this incompetent excuse of a government also are paying the price. We have a control freak as our PM!

    • taiabada says:

      09:10pm | 21/11/10

      The ABN Report is not the property of the ALP and it was not commissioned by them.  It was commissioned by the government on behalf of the parliament, paid for by the People’s money, and its purpose was obviously to bring informed details to the parliament which would provide substance for debate by both the Government AND the Opposition.  Not only must such reports be provided to both Government and Opposition but they should be provided at the time of receipt and not withheld for political advantage.  This Government’s attitude and deviousness is an absolute disgrace in a democracy.
      After Julia Gillard has sat on this Report for weeks it will certainly be very flat if delivered in December!

    • Paul says:

      09:12pm | 21/11/10

      Regardless of what it says, conservatives will oppose.  Neo-liberalism doctrine dictates it.  They oppose public infrastructure where private interests have a chance of profit - that is, Telstra would love to continue charging $12’000 a month for a fibre connection in the city and taking that profit as well as maintaining the disastrous copper network monopoly (and leaving regional Australia on ADSL and Dial up). 

      Also the Telstra sale is part of Howards and the Liberals legacy (the GST, negative gearing, housing boom and middle class welfare being other parts).  So an admission that Telstra has obviously failed in providing Internet technology and fair and equal access to the infrastructure is an admission of Liberal failure.

    • Max Vaunted says:

      08:30am | 22/11/10

      Comrade Paul, it’s hard to see how you could weave any more anti-Howard rhetoric and ALP catch-cries into your seriously convoluted post, but I have two things to say to you. (1) John Howard is no longer PM, and (2) this is Australia and we the people have a right to know what the apparatchiks have in mind for us.

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:35am | 23/11/10

      A few points, Paul,
      Telecommunications costs have dropped in real terms since the privatisation of Telstra.  Sound economics theory tells us that a monopoly (like the NBN) will always charge more for less than a competitive marketplace.
      Negative gearing is a hangover from keating and Hawke.  Keating tried to get rod of it and balked.
      Housing boom is more to do with mining boom and lack of supply.
      GST provided the states with a solid and gauranteed source of funds for the first time since federation.  Your problem with that is what exactly?

    • tajjy says:

      09:24pm | 21/11/10

      How can something being paid for by the tax payers of Australia be hidden from them?

    • Holly says:

      07:19am | 22/11/10

      Mark James seems to be the only one who has the nous to grasp the real issues here, and the real commercial reason for the onslaught of opposition to the NBN from News Limited.  What motivates the opposition is political regardless of the economic gains Australia stands to make from this technology.

      Of course there will be sensitive information in the report.  Now we are told that Malcolm Turnbull owns $10 million shares in a company IT technology of which one of the directors is his wife Lucy.  This company reports that it “stands to reap new wealth” from the establishment of the NBN.  No wonder Malcolm looks conflicted in his “demolition” role.

    • Mike says:

      07:24am | 22/11/10

      It’s called transparency and scrutiny which Australians expect from the Opposition.

    • Alicia says:

      07:43am | 22/11/10

      Big, Bad, Rich Malcolm looks conflicted in his demolition role? Really? He seems to be doing a pretty good job of it to me. Exposing the Government and demanding a business plan be released on behalf of Australians and their money seems fair to me. Malcolm didn’t become rich by being a dumb idiot like Conroy and his secretive Government.

    • Sam says:

      09:47am | 22/11/10

      Goes to show the integrity of the man that he performs his role despite potential financial gain. Total opposite to the corrupt job for the boys attitude of the ALP/union scum. Now who was it that was given the plum NBN job that cam from the ALP, hmmmmm.

    • Markus says:

      07:24am | 22/11/10

      The plan is not released because it is crap. Seriously… this is a government, and a government of any persuasion is, has been, and always will be, incapable of running a business of any sort profitably or with a slightest competence. If the plan was released, it would be ripped to shreds by business person, and the idiocy of the government would be revealed (again). That’s why Conroy won’t release it.

    • grumpy old man says:

      07:58am | 22/11/10

      There is obviously something in this Business Plan that Conroy does not wish to made public. Its either commercially or politically sensitive. Give the monopoly that NBN will have, any commercially sensitive content will only be confidential for a short time, however, anything that is politically sensitive is likely to be so for the life of this parliament.
      References to historic events, and what other politicians may have done in the past, are nort helpful and bear no direct relationship to this matter.

      This is our money, and Parliamentarians are supposed to be our servants, not the other way around. I am extremely suspicious of any politician who claims Commercial sensitivity…its generally shorthand for “you’re not going to like what I’m going to do to you, but I’m going to do it anyway “.

    • nosthow says:

      08:28am | 22/11/10

      Marvelous to see right wing nutters have a go at Labor for rolling out a major infrastructure project that will benefit all Australians. The Libs have a shocking record with regard to infrastructure. Howard had 12 years in government and the only thing he rolled out was a new tax - the GST ! Howard then rushed in and sold off a national asset Telstra and told mums and dads to buy up big as the shares were sure to go up. Wrong - the shares now near years later hover BELOW the original issue value ! Can the Libs get anything right ? Well with Abbott in charge the chances of that have diminished dramatically.

    • majority says:

      08:33am | 22/11/10

      Nosthow as usual addressing the topic

    • NicoleG says:

      08:49am | 22/11/10

      Blah, blah, blah. This has nothing to do with John Howard. This has nothing to do with the Liberals. This has got everything to do with Labor doing everything in their power to prevent us, the taxpayer, from seeing the details of this 43billion dollar wast of money. The are hiding something, but you just carry on, keep your fingers firmly stuck in your ears, eyes tightly shut and follow like the good little sheep you are.

    • Aitch B says:

      08:54am | 22/11/10

      @nosthow

      You just don’t get it, do you?

      This is all about the Government’s initial refusal, then agreement with a condition, then agreement with a lesser condition and now seemingly agreement with virtually no condition to release the NBN business plan.

      It’s got nothing to do with the Howard government…. it’s all about the current ALP minority government’s decision to put the NBN in place.

      You obviously don’t care about how much it might cost you and what sort of return on investment the NBN will produce. Well good for you!!

      But there are many (as evidenced by the reaction here) who DO want to know!

      It would want to be well above the bond rate….. no business in it’s right mind would commit to such a plan if that were the case.

    • TimB says:

      09:10am | 22/11/10

      It won’t benefit me Nosthow.

      Everything I use the internet for is perfectly achievable with the connection I have now, which is less than a tenth of the speed promised by the NBN. I can play online games, I can chat to my friends, I can download videos at decent speeds.  I daresay the same applies to millions of my fellow Australians.

      Fix the connections to the bush, but leave the cities be. They don’t need this.

    • Mike T says:

      09:54am | 22/11/10

      Usuall “It may be crap but there worse” rant…........

      As long as people like nosthow support a political party like it’s thier favourite footy team we are in trouble and the incompetence will continue.

      Nosthow, your inability to question anything that the current Government does gives your opinions no credibility. It is vital that the people continue to ask questions when it appears that a government is making bad decisions on behalf of the nation, unfortunatley, you are happy to not only accept missmanagement, but endrose it.

      When a bad decision is made ALL Australains are effected negativly, even ALP stooges!!!!

    • StevenJ says:

      08:33am | 22/11/10

      Lets put things in perspective:

      - Home insulation project = deaths and waste of money
      - BER = Waste of money and time
      - Health = Lots of money spent and we still have a terrible health care system
      - Asylum seeker policy = Do the same as Howard except call it anything but the Naru Pacific Solution
      - Nation building = Selling off Australia to foreign interest, excuse me why bother with having an army and defence when we are getting taken over internally by foreigners?

      The NBN has failed, is failing and will fail. Enough with Gillard, since being PM she has not done anything productive. C’mon folks it has to be game over for federal ALP, for God’s sake haven’t we learnt anything from NSW ALP politicians?

    • Anjuli says:

      08:57am | 22/11/10

      This is tax payers money they should know how it is to be spent, I thought we lived in a democratic country. Or is it they feel that the rabble (that is us) could not understand why it is to cost so much if indeed it will or is all this confusion just a smoke screen to take our minds from some thing else that is hiding in the closet.

    • Gregg says:

      09:02am | 22/11/10

      Could it be that Eva Braun lived beyond Hitlers demise and surfaced with Saddam to produce a love child called Stephen.

      He has displayed dictatorial contempt for those who have questioned the justification of the NBN and is still attempting the same with not just the public but members of parliament.

      It is time for the NBN to be put on hold, Conroy to be sacked and the independents need to be giving serious thought to their support for where this country is being taken by an incompetent government and there’s no need for any super communication system to assess that for it is bleeding obvious.

    • Zeta says:

      09:14am | 22/11/10

      What they should have done is signed the non-disclosure agreement, read the buisness case, and then snuck into the Senate for adjournment and read it out under Parliamentary Privilege. So long as you never repeat it outside the chamber Conroy couldn’t do jack.

      Pity Wikileaks is down for submissions and Cryptome is run by psychopaths or else it would already be out.

    • Ben C says:

      09:15am | 22/11/10

      I don’t think the call for the business case to be released would have been so loud had Gillard not gone out and promised that she would lead a TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT. Or did Con(job)roy not sign up to that agreement?

      Also, can anyone advise if this is an opt-in or opt-out system? I’d much rather be told “It’s available if you want it” than “You’re gonna get it unless you don’t want it”.

    • Gerard says:

      07:04pm | 22/11/10

      I think it depends on what state you’re in. Comrade Conroy wants it to be mandatory to have your house hooked up to the network (just to make it easier for them to install the telescreens later on). Apparently the trespassing laws in some states mean that he can’t do this unless the state government changes the legislation.

      Other than that, it’s opt-in if you want to use it. Of course they will be removing the current network in a few years’ time, so you are effectively forced to use it (unless you trust the security of wireless).

    • Richard The Lionheart says:

      09:15am | 22/11/10

      Conroy is the Rex O’Connor of this Labor government. He will bring it down and the rest of us. He is a typical fanatic. He knows what is right regardless of cost. Think of all the appliances in your house reliant on copper wire, every cord to connect same, and the taxpayer is paying Telstra to rip it out of the ground.

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      09:27am | 22/11/10

      Actually he is more like the Homer Simpson of this labour government, an incompetant buffoon.

    • Ryan says:

      02:20pm | 22/11/10

      @Kurisu Sonsaku: I still haven’t stopped laughing at the image of Homer Simpson standing in front of cameras in a suit telling us that he will personally stop the “spams and scams coming through the portal”, then turning around and seeing a large cork in his butt.

    • The Badger says:

      09:31am | 22/11/10

      I find great amusement in the conservative party finding out their wrecking ball Turnbull is made of paper mache.

      Get used to opposition and learn that things don"t happen when you snap your fingers you bunch of losers.

    • MarK says:

      09:59am | 22/11/10

      I don’t get this.

      Really I don’t.

    • The Badger says:

      10:24am | 22/11/10

      It may come as a surprise to you mark, but you don’t get a lot of things

    • NicoleG says:

      10:41am | 22/11/10

      After careful deliberation, I think I do MarK.

      It is what you say when you really have nothing to say at all. You have no defence, so you just waffle on. I now await the statement that it is all John Howard’s fault.

    • Cate P says:

      11:37am | 22/11/10

      Nicole, I think nosthow has already blamed John Howard earlier.

    • MarK says:

      01:00pm | 22/11/10

      “It may come as a surprise to you mark, but you don’t get a lot of things “

      True.

      But I at least read all sides to an argument. I try to make an informed decision. When I cannot decipher something I admit it.

      I “get” this is a shot at Turnbull. Why? I don’t know. Given this story and the gross and drastic attempts Labor has of keeping to do with the NBN a Really Big Secret it looks like Turnbull is doing his job. Given Conroy’s performance against Joyce on Sky it looks like Labor is rattled.

      Given the trouble the government is in evene before the thing gets started in earnest it appears to be a strange thing to say.

      The finger clicking thing has me baffled as well.

      I guess it all means this

      “I don’t like the right of politics” - Badger

      You could have typed that I guess. Made more sense than the above and is as on topic as your op.

      Ciao baby.

      “Don’t hate - procreate”

      MarK 2010

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      03:53pm | 22/11/10

      this is simply called deflection (seemy above post).
      the article is not about the conservative party, it is about Labor, and labor withholding important information for an unknown reason.

      the badger obvioulsy can not think of a defence for his beloved party so name calling is his next resort “you bunch of losers”

    • Northern Steve says:

      12:49am | 23/11/10

      Nobody feed the troll!

    • Rappo says:

      09:40am | 22/11/10

      Has anyone bothered to look at the reasos why Labor do-not want to release the business plan before 30 November?
      Before you go off half-cocked, look at the reasosn why!
      The ACCC is making a ruling on 30 November, of which the information that this decision is based upon is included in the business plan. Labor cannot release the NBN plan before this date, even if they wanted to, because it would jepordise the decision maling of the ACCC.
      They said that they would release the plan in the first week of December, why doent anyone give them the benefit of the doubt up to this time? If they havent released it by the time that they said that they would, then everyone can then go hammer’n'tongs after Gillard then.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      10:23am | 22/11/10

      Ruling on what?  I honestly can’t find anything on this.

    • Markus says:

      03:15pm | 22/11/10

      If this is true (I cannot find anything to actually verify it) and Labor are due to release the business plan after November 30, then where did the 7 years non-disclosure number come from?
      Why bother demanding a 7 year NDA when you are going to release the plan in a fortnight’s time anyway?

    • simon says:

      09:42am | 22/11/10

      This whole NBN is turning into a farce. A much more competitive and futuristic approach could be realised that would cost much less, and not lock us into a one dimensional startegy. Why not build a few dedicated telecommunications satellites to provide services to the bush and black spots, the govt could even pay for the dishes and infrastructure for each premise.. Fibre up the towers and exchanges, that will have a dramatic effect, then alalyse the improvement. Build more towers to further the wireless blueprint, wireless will expand exponentially in the future and should be nurtured. Then fibre up schools, businesses and hospitals. I reckon this would cost half as much as the current plan, however it would retain the competition and allow emerging technologies to flourish. The current plan is very poorly thought out!!!!

    • Max Vaunted says:

      09:48am | 22/11/10

      @Dick the Lion, I think I probably definitely agree with your general sentiment but not quite sure about the toaster bit. Nevertheless Comrade Conroy is obviously hiding something and you can bet it his shy sensitivity has just as much to do with his political agenda as it does with commercial feasibility.

    • jane wallace says:

      11:15am | 22/11/10

      just build the national broadband network as fast as australia can and shut up

    • NicoleG says:

      11:43am | 22/11/10

      @jane, I’m tipping that you’d buy one of those whiz-bang-sh!t-hot, mop, come stairs and carpet cleaners, because Danoz Direct tell you it is.

    • nosthow says:

      11:43am | 22/11/10

      I agree with Jane Wallace @11.15am - just ignore the “do nothing Liberals” and get in and build the network , as is happening. Anything Abbott and co says is hot air anyway and virtually no-one in Australia listens to him at all. The Liberals are whinging wendys who if in power would send Australia back to the 1950’s. Duds all !

    • Tom says:

      02:27pm | 22/11/10

      The problem is we don’t want to go back to the early 70’s. To quote your darling Oakeshot, there is NO MANDATE Stalin!

    • nosthow says:

      07:13pm | 22/11/10

      @Tommy - I say old chap dont blow a fuse !

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:54am | 22/11/10

      yeah, didnt think my post would make it wink

      Cant be pointing out the continual FUD and interjecting facts into the conversation can we? I’m only an IT Professional after all and actually know what I am tlaking about smile

    • thomas vesely says:

      04:48pm | 22/11/10

      is this conroys filter,by any means?if they own the network they do not need laws,they can make it company policy???

    • Catching up says:

      06:15pm | 22/11/10

      I fail to see what the problem is.  They have
      had the report less than a week.  It is not normal for any government to release any report as soon as they get it.  It is not unreasonable for any government to peruse and take to Cabinet any report before they release it.  It is usual for any PM to refuse to comment on what happens in relation to Cabinet.  PM Gillard is not refusing to release the report, she is saying it will be released in a couple of weeks.  The bill that is before the parliament, is the separation of the two arms of Telstra, something that should have been done when they were sold.  It would be necessary for this to happen, if any other scheme eventuated. This report has very little imput on the Telstra bill.  Mr. Abbott needs to remember what goes around, comes around.  He shopuld remember the Costello leglisation that bit him in the last election.

    • Catching up says:

      06:18pm | 22/11/10

      I fail to see what the problem is.
      They have had the report less than a week.  It is not normal for any government to release any report as soon as they get it.  It is not unreasonable for any government to peruse and take to Cabinet any report before they release it.  It is usual for any PM to refuse to comment on what happens in relation to Cabinet.  PM Gillard is not refusing to release the report, she is saying it will be released in a couple of weeks.  The bill that is before the parliament, is the separation of the two arms of Telstra, something that should have been done when they were sold.  It would be necessary for this to happen, if any other scheme eventuated. This report has very little imput on the Telstra bill.  Mr. Abbott needs to remember what goes around, comes around.  He shopuld remember the Costello leglisation that bit him in the last election.

    • Ben says:

      06:11am | 26/11/10

      Conroy and Gillard skillfully whipped the opposition, media and nation into a frenzy regarding the business plan. Skilful misdirection. Now that they have been ‘forced’ to release the summary we find there is nothing of substance in it. Another 72 hours of distraction accomplished.

 

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