In the giddy afterglow of Kevin07, as the nation’s lefties rejoiced at exorcising the devil that was John Howard, it was assumed that the nation would become a more compassionate place. These same people obviously haven’t been paying attention.

Little Seena. Locked up the same day he attended his parents' funeral. Pic: Sam Mooy.

There are now more children in detention than there were under Howard. Right now there’s 1045 of them. Just 28 of them are in community detention; that is, not behind bars but being cared for in private homes, in keeping with the softer policy that Howard introduced in 2005.

One of these children, Seena Aqhlaqi Sheikhdost, was trundled back to Christmas Island this week, a few hours after he had buried his parents. Whether you agree or disagree with mandatory detention, you’d be hard-pressed to argue that locking up a nine-year-old on the day he’s attended his parents’ funeral meets the dictionary definition of compassion.

For the many criticisms Howard faced from progressives, mandatory detention was the source of the most heated abuse. Many of his critics failed or chose not to recognise that the border protection policies his government had in place, and the detention centres it ran, were largely identical to the regime that existed during the Hawke-Keating era. The term “queue-jumper” was first used by Bob Hawke in an interview with A Current Affair.

There were two differences with Howard. The first was simply that he was a conservative, which gave his detractors grounds to dislike him anyway, despite spending the previous 13 years ignoring identical policies. The second was that Howard - unlike Hawke and Keating - chose to politicise mandatory detention by harnessing it as a vote winner in the wake of September 11 and amid the Tampa tragedy. It was probably the most contentious act of his prime ministership. He also won that year’s election in a canter so you’d have to assume that most people agreed with his “we will decide” sentiment.

Against this backdrop, many on the Labor side hailed their 2007 victory as a victory for compassion rather than viewing it more dispassionately (and accurately) as the end of a leader who had outworn his welcome, bungled his succession plan, and alienated the Howard battlers by going too far with WorkChoices.

In government, Labor has learned that compassion is a quickly expendable commodity when things go south in the opinion polls, hence the lurch from a softer border protection policy after the 2007 election to its ad hoc toughening by Kevin Rudd and then Julia Gillard ahead of last year’s campaign. As a result of this vacillation, Labor is a very real risk of ending up in a political no-man’s land.

Superficially, this was regarded as a bad week for the Coalition due to Scott Morrison’s humiliation over his pretty ordinary remarks about the cost of the Christmas Island funerals. This analysis fails to recognise that the Coalition’s problems centred on an individual whereas, for Labor, there’s a broader collective problem with the way their policies are perceived.

Morrison has medium-term leadership ambitions and, as such, might have done himself some serious damage with party moderates by attacking the cost of the funerals while they were under way. None of it is going to cost the Liberals a vote as the type of voters who are energised by this issue would never vote for the Libs in large numbers anyway.

Tony Abbott does have a bigger problem with disunity. The steady stream of leaks from within the party room, particularly the revelation that Morrison had floated a discriminatory immigration policy, which would veto asylum seekers from some Muslim nations, has the potential to paint the Coalition as a rabble. But in terms of the actual policy of border protection, and the way it is being managed, Labor is lumbered with the most acute political headache.

The incarceration of Seena, the nine-year-old Iranian boy, has flushed out many of the once-ferocious critics of mandatory detention, the people I alluded to in the intro who had been active under Howard but fell silent upon Labor’s election in 2007.

Type the word “Seena” into Google and you will be transported to Christian websites, independent news sites, the website of the relaunched lobby group ChilOut, which campaigns for the release of children, where hundreds of people are again firing up about the way we treat asylum seekers.

Many of them would have supported the ALP in 2007, and even again last year despite the toughening of the policy. But there is a hardness about their rhetoric now where they’re accusing the Labor Government of being no different from the Coalition. If these voters shift they’ll be shifting in one direction - the Greens.

On the other side of the divide is a vast number of Australians who would probably applaud a no-Muslim immigration policy, who liked Abbott’s “stop the boats” mantra, who think Labor is as weak as water on this issue. By being too hard to satisfy Lefties and too soft or too disorganised to appease the hardliners, the ALP looks badly stuck on this issue.

Meanwhile, Seena will be released from detention this week. A good result in a situation that should never have occurred. Unless you’re one of those people who thinks that it’s his parents’ fault for having brought him here in the first place.

If you are one of those people, you might want to reflect on the fact that of the 1045 children in detention, more than 500 of them don’t have parents anyway. Their parents are dead. I’m not quite sure how the system works but being an orphan whose parents have been executed in political violence strikes me as a pretty reasonable basis for asylum.

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    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      12:29pm | 20/02/11

      But I ask why don’t Muslim refugees head to Saudi Arabia - a country flush with oil money? Why are they being a burden to us? Most of them don’t believe in a democracy any way coz their Allah rejects the hand of a man. Once these guys are accepted, many end up being a threat to our community.

    • Chris L says:

      01:17pm | 20/02/11

      I would suspect that those attempting to live here do actually believe in democracy, Zac. I’m not sure why else they would be coming here.

      You are very quick to defend your own faith, especially against the terrible scourge of atheism, yet now seem very comfortable with your own religious bigotry.

      Personally I consider all religions I have encountered with fairly equal incredulity, but they have as much right to their own invisible friend as you have to yours, and as much right to want to live here (subject to the laws of our society).

    • stephen says:

      01:19pm | 20/02/11

      A burden ?
      They may not be. A local population, (one born here) may, if they work purposefully, have their identities even more defined by the presence of another people and their religions.
      The matter of a success in this regard could be reduced to an equation : that is, numbers, and percentage.
      A right quantity is necessary.

    • Peter says:

      01:20pm | 20/02/11

      I fully agree that the Muslim refugees should go to countries like Malaysia and Indonesia which are on their way to Australia by boat.

      I am against the Govt paying for the relatives of the tragic victims to come to Australia to attend the funeral. My reason for this is that it may be interpreted by many people that somehow Australia is responsible for this tragedy. Australia is definitely not and our kindness has been taken advantage of.

      Furthermore an Australian friend died in tragic circumstances while traveling overseas. It was not possible to get the Australian Govt to pay to bring back the body.

      The air fares to Australia for the tragic victims on the refugee boat should have been paid for by the Ethnic Community in Australia. I have been the President of an Ethnic Association and in such tragedies it is a good idea to galvanize the community and bring the community closer together to help victims of tragedies.

    • Catching up says:

      01:30pm | 20/02/11

      Look at the world news, you might get your answer.  Many of countries mention do not offer them a safe haven.. Many leaders in these countries are shaking in their boots that they are going the same way as Egypt.

    • marley says:

      01:40pm | 20/02/11

      1.  Many of those fleeing are Shias.  Saudi Arabia is Wahabbi Sunni.  They are about as removed from one another as Roman Catholics and Exclusive Brethren. 
      2.  Are they in fact a burden?  Most do their damnedest to get jobs as soon as they can.
      3.  You think most of them don’t believe in democracy?  That, no doubt, is why Muslim Turkey is trying to join the EU, and why half of North Africa is rioting against its dictators.
      4.  We have 350,000 Muslims here - a handful have been convicted of terrorism related offenses.  How does that compare with the tens of thousands of “genuine Aussies” in prison for assaults, hit and runs, drunk driving, armed robbery, murder?  They’re less a threat to us than the drunken crowd in a downtown pub on Friday night.

    • Rosie says:

      01:52pm | 20/02/11

      Another well written, well thought out article. Thanks David.

      Zac I don’t disagree with what you have said but this country has a huge problem and with any problem it is faced with it is the duty of the govt of the day to deal with it in which ever way they see fit to do so.

      The problem the citizens of this country are faced with is the Gillard Govt is not decisive or assertive with how they govern. Instead of the Gillard govt filp, flap and flopping on every decision they make they need to be absolutely certain and assured it is what they believe is the best they can do to fix the problem. When that is crystal clear, they need to be assertive, transparent and act confidently when it is implemented.

      Do what they are there for and that is to govern and allow the public to decide for themselves at election time the party of our choice. I would be saying the same thing to the Coalition if they were in govt and performing with no benefit for Australia and its people.

      No two ways about it, innocent children should never be in detention. The children that arrive on our shores, illegally it maybe is our govt’s responsibility and should be treated as if they were our own. Build a home for them in society and treat them like our own children and allow the parents and families to come and visit until they are found a home in society. The children were brought here by their parents so shouldn’t be treated like illegals.

      If the innocent children that survived the Christmas Island tragedy had a home to go to they wouldn’t have been treated like illegals and Seena would not have had to suffer a traumatic double whammy. Not good enough Chris Bownen and the prostestor was right “Shame on you Chris Bowen Shame on you!”

    • john says:

      04:37pm | 20/02/11

      @Peter you said

      “Furthermore an Australian friend died in tragic circumstances while traveling overseas. It was not possible to get the Australian Govt to pay to bring back the body.”

      Seems there was no compassion for that Australian citizen and their families, yet our compassion is in question, right?

      If we object to paying for funerals etc we are labelled as racists or bigots, if we agree to paying for it, we are condemned for unfairness by our own citizens who have to pay and fly to funerals, and the result for both sides of the argument is apathy and lack of compassion everyone loses.

      If there is compassion and the government pays for everyone’s funeral and their expenses, everyone is happy.

      If there is compassion and the government doesn’t pay for everyone’s funeral and expenses, there is respect and everyone is happy.


      So now its come down to a nine year old boy now orphaned. The proper thing to do is to put him and all the children up for proper adoption processes and integrate them into mainstream Australia, it doesn’t have to be muslin, christian or whatever, it has to be a loving family that can afford to raise them to give them the best chance in life, could it be that simple? Compassion?

      ..but wait if we take all the children in Australia, what does it say about what we think of the adults left behind. Once again we are branded as racists bigots, and lack compassion….now we can see why apathy has crept in.

      Seems we are back to stopping the boats and having proper immigration through proper channels as the best solution, so our compassion isn’t tested again, because it only leads to apathy.

    • Seano says:

      04:58pm | 20/02/11

      I’m wondering how are people coming here, working, paying taxes (often taking jobs that people whose ancestors have been here longer don’t want) are being a burden?

    • Lesley G says:

      12:05am | 21/02/11

      Here’s why they don’t go to Saudi Arabia:

      $10,000 is a really good investment to be dropped off here in the land of milk and honey on a leaky boat.  Once the “under-ager” is in, then follows Mum, Dad,the 4 sisters and the 6 brothers all brought here with your tax dollars

      free legal assistance (as a minor)
      Centrelink for life,
      free medical,
      free dental,
      free housing
      free schooling at one of the many Islamic colleges being set up in the suburbs and funded by the Saudis ,where they are taught not to assimilate into infidel society.

      Not bad for only $10,000

    • Christine says:

      08:07am | 21/02/11

      Because many of them are Christians who would still be persecuted in any Muslim country they fled to.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      12:57pm | 20/02/11

      Over the years I have found out the best way to de-toxicfy lefties is to feed them “Howrdetox (also known as Cowrdetox) x 1 for 5 days. Weekend should be ok.

    • Erick says:

      12:59pm | 20/02/11

      Compassion, my arse.

      I’ve been lectured about “compassion” for years.

      But it’s always “compassion” for foreign invaders, “compassion” for criminals and thieves, “compassion” for anyone who is not white, not male, not heterosexual.

      If I dare to ask for compassion for my own kind, I’m laughed at, abused, and tossed aside.

      “Compassion”, as it is practised in tho=is society, is a lie.

    • iansand says:

      04:14pm | 20/02/11

      Oh dear.  Poor Erick.  Come over here and have a hug.  Better now?

    • Louisa says:

      04:21pm | 20/02/11

      Exactly Erick

      No compassion shown by the Labor Party when those people died as a result of the bungled batts program.

      They only appear to be compassionate when it suits them…..

    • Seano says:

      04:55pm | 20/02/11

      What a complete load of bollocks. Just how big is your inferiority complex that you feel oppressed as white, heterosexual male in this country?

      How would you have been oppressed if this child had been allowed to say with family rather than stay in detention?

    • Warren says:

      06:08pm | 20/02/11

      Yeah, because straight white males have such a tough time in today’s society don’t they Erick? I’d laugh if it wasn’t so silly.

    • Katie says:

      06:30pm | 20/02/11

      Erick, can I ask why you need compassion? (It’s a serious question, btw.)

    • Erick says:

      04:09am | 21/02/11

      Katie, I don’t “need” compassion. I’m just noting its total absence when white males have problems of any kind - especially the types of systematic discrimination I’ve listed in detail, again and again.

      The playing of the “compassion” card is a lie. There is “compassion” only for specific privileged groups. Just look at the comments from iansand, Warren and Seano above. That’s what “compassion” is worth - if you’re a white male, it’s worth nothing.

      So all this banging on about “compassion” leaves me cold. I know it’s just a lie.

    • Seano says:

      08:23am | 21/02/11

      I’m a heterosexual, white male and I can not think of one meaningful situation where I am discriminated against in this country. Your inferiority complex and paranioa must be huge.

    • James1 says:

      09:43am | 21/02/11

      Don’t you ever watch Today Tonight, Erick?  They are very compassionate towards white people who come to them with sob stories about speeding fines and high electricity bills.

      Thinking on it, if that is why you need compassion, you should perhaps be thankful anyway.

    • Erick says:

      01:17pm | 21/02/11

      No, James1, I don’t ever watch Today Tonight.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      07:25pm | 21/02/11

      Erick, while there are incidents where individual men are treated with less compassion than minorities and women, taken as a whole men in Australia do not face the level of hardships others do on a daily basis. Yes, the cases where men are ill-treated should attract better attention and often more compassion than they do, but not every discussion is about men. Not every helping hand extended to others is a threat. Only those that are indeed a threat should be opposed otherwise your efforts come to resemble “wrecker politics” rather than legitimate concerns.

      Yes, men can benefit from an MRA approach in some circumstances but if its advocacy becomes as rabid as some other causes then it will be discounted as noise rather than being given due consideration.

    • Gregg says:

      01:01pm | 20/02/11

      I suppose Penbo, if you have a view distorted by compassion and emotion you will paint a distorted picture and that is what you have in common with all those from both sides of politics who will have distorted views whether they know it or not.
      First with Howard, you would think he was involved in organising 911 and the Tampa rescue the way people seem to think he politicised it when his
      ” we will decide ” was a pretty obvious response to criticism from political and other opponents.

      Whether or not you have Labor or Liberal in office and heaven help us if it’s ever the Greens with more control than they seem to think they should have, any government will quickly realise there is not much room for compassion in governnance and especially not with immigration issues including how the queue jumpers should be handled, just ask Chris Evans and Bowen is still a bit wet behind the ears, there being a lot that was wrong with funerals here and detention of minors and compassion has now seen him place a small group of people well ahead of many others in receiving preferential treatment.
      Given all the problems Australia has at the moment the compassionate style of governance and the fall out is all too true re
      ”  Labor is a very real risk of ending up in a political no-man’s land. “

      ” Superficially, this was regarded as a bad week for the Coalition ” and again a view of some but there will be many looking at the broader policy of costs and what will these people be doing in the community with whatever skills we know nothing of, let alone having them assessed like all skilled immigrants need to have done to be eligible for migration and so for how long will increasing numbers become an ever increasing burden whilst we have our own people suffering so greatly at the moment.
      The government is bringing people to Australia and taxpayers are footing the bill for motels and hotels for many while we have our own families homeless.
      Yep, Scott Morrison is spot on with his questioning right then and it should be continued.
      If Seena is one of over 500, where are 500+ going to be housed, with whom, how supported, how supervised etc. etc.

      The ambitions of Scott Morrison are irrelevant and some will see certain weaknesses in some of his policies backdowns and forget aout the disunity angle for it is the responsibility of shadow ministers to have ideas and put them up for discussion or would we be better of with shadow ministers becoming ministers and ingrained with an attude of Yes Kevin, Howsethat Shorty, or Bob?

      ” The incarceration of Seena, the nine-year-old Iranian boy,
      Type the word “Seena” into Google and ” I wonder whether anyone questions how all these visitors from Christmas Island quickly found all this black funeral clobber or was it provided for them and does that in itself mean it was all arranged well in advance, possibly some politicising there as has been suggested by some.

      It does not matter whether it is Seena or any other kid or adult but unless you have good policies in place and adherence to firm regulations, that filling of the MCG in twenty years as some claim will happem all the sooner.
      Meanwhile skilled and family stream visa applicants paying full gfees and getting no accomodation and welfare benefits are seeing resources being applied to the people smuggling issues and thus processing of their visas slowed in many cases or the processing weakened.

      Too much compassion will just give us a disrupted and corrupted immigration system.

    • matilda says:

      01:23pm | 20/02/11

      Intriguing isn’t it? More children in detention under the ALP then there ever was under the “evil” John Howard’s “regime”. Yet where are the “usual suspects” the refugee advocates? Why aren’t these usually so outspoken individuals criticising the Gillard government? Of course. I forget. If the Left does the detaining any criticism must be muted, toned down, muffled - but if the Right does it - watch it. Such rank hypocrisy.

    • Joan says:

      05:05pm | 20/02/11

      Matilda; The left came out in full force against Morrisons words , words which caused no deaths. yet the left remain mute on failed deadly Gillard asylum seeker policy which lures people to an untimely death, the left is mute about the numbers of children in detention centres and the left is mute about Bowens stupid, cruel action to return 10 year old orphan to Christmas Island. No call of resignation of Gillard or Bowen whose asylum seeker policy has had nothing but tragic consequences yet loud screeching from the left for Morrison resignation. The left is a shallow hypocryite.

    • GRAN says:

      05:36pm | 20/02/11

      I am all out of compassion for these people screaming women or kids,i am what some call a racist i guess when i ask why has so much money has been spent upgrading a mining camp good enough for hard working miners to live in but not good enough for illegal boat people to live in,[53 millions] to upgrade a army barracks for 1,500 single men aged from 17 to 23,was good enough for our boys to live in,[126 million] the 150 Sri Lankans from the Oceanic Viking the UNHCR said weren’t refugees or needing asylum and should be relocated back to their home country, now living in the Travel lodge motel in Darwin [$60,000 aweek and already 2.3 millions spent there],the list goes on,the tax payer is being ripped off,we have our own people who have worked hard all their life paid tax and built this country to what was once a great country with nowhere to live because of floods and bushfires given a few thousand dollars to get by with untill the goverment can put it hand in our pocket and put a levy on the tax payer to help rebuild their lives,thats where my compassion goes,not to illegal people country hopping because we have a goverment that panders to all their needs,i don’t care about the women dressed in black screaming like banchies hurling abuse at Australia,or poor little Seena[who looked to be coached by the man to cry ],i didn’t ask them to come here,they put my son and his crew mate in mortal danger when they had to go to these illegals aid,my compassion is for people who don’t demand or don’t ask for it ,our own Aussie people be they black white blue pink or yellow,people who have and always will pay their way in this country,if i am a racist or bigot i will wear that proudly without shame,i am Australian and for Australians no matter what,

    • Allie says:

      08:37am | 21/02/11

      Refugee advocates have been criticizing Labor for it’s treatment of refugees for years.The ALP even lost it’s heartland seat of Melbourne to the Greens last year. It’s astonishing that people can claim that people concerned about refugees only criticize conservatives for their policies, because it’s blatantly not true.

    • Melrusk says:

      07:17pm | 21/02/11

      ASYLUM LEVELS AND TRENDS IN
      INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES
      2008
      Statistical Overview of Asylum Applications Lodged
      in Europe and selected Non-European Countries

      “The trend observed in Australia and New Zealand shows a diverging picture between the two
      countries. In New Zealand, levels have remained fairly stable in the past years (on average 260
      new claims per year) whereas in Australia figures have increased in the past years. The latter
      recorded approximately 4,700 asylum claims in 2008, 19 per cent more than the year before.

      Despite this recent increase, figures in Australia are far below the ones observed in 2000 (13,100
      claims) and 2001 (12,400 claims).”

      http://www.unhcr.org/49c796572.html


      Soooooo it was under a Howard government that Australia saw it’s most dramatic increase in refugees 2000 & 2001.

      By your logic it was “Evil John Howard Regime Policy”  that encouraged this dramatic increase.

      Or you could consider the very real probability that it is not so much the attraction of policy that encourages people to make these journeys as
      the repulsion factor of war or
      confinement in a refugee camp waiting processing for a decade or two,
      insufficiently funded aid facilities etc
      that would have a greater bearing on these figures.

      It was LNP policy to contain these people, including thier children out of view (Indonesia in particular,  Pacific Solution & what a money saver solution that was)  thereby making the management of the average punters response also easier to contain. wink

      Critisize the Gillard government all you like but at least she is dealing with them & not shunting the responsability onto another counrty hoping that the problem will just miraculously go away.

      Another interesting fact for you. In 2008 Australia recieved 5000 claims for assylum as a posed to Europe who recieved 289,800 people requesting assylum the very same year.

    • dinkidi says:

      01:35pm | 20/02/11

      Saudi Arabia is not the only muslim country,there is plenty more. So why are thousands claiming “asylum” in western nations? Then start to apply pressure for everything to be run muslim style because that is what they want.And they will use everything from blackmail to self mutilation to get their own way.This government needs to take heed of the public’s unease on this subject instead of trying to gloss it over with even more political correctness.

    • marley says:

      03:01pm | 20/02/11

      If you were fleeing tyranny, would you head to another country ruled by a tyrant? 

      Oh, and just for your information, 96% of the world’s Afghan refugees are sitting in Iran and Pakistan.  Most of the Iraqis are in Jordan and Syria.  We get a trickle.

      Get some perspective.

    • Catching up says:

      01:36pm | 20/02/11

      Pease take a little time to listen to the news.  Many Muslims in the countries you are talking about are putting their lives on the line for Democracy.  The boat people are unable to seek safe haven in these countries, as it does not exist in them.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      03:39pm | 20/02/11

      It remains to be seen whether the muslims you mention seek real democracy - or control.

    • The Drover says:

      04:17pm | 20/02/11

      Like those freedom loving democracy seeking protesters in Tahir square who committed a vicous and prolonged sexual assault on a blonde haired, uncovered TV reporter, all the while screaming Jew, Jew, just the sort of people we need.

    • Gregg says:

      11:35pm | 20/02/11

      @Catching Up
      Despite what you and the likes of Marley say, how about you catch up with where all the UNHCR and other refugee centres are through the middle east , subcontinent and asian region and also have a read of the reaoning of the UNHCR keeping them close to to where they are needed .
      And then see if there is any real fair dinkum reason that people with enough money to fly out of countries by air to Malaysia or Indonesia and then to pay for a boat trip do not go and regisdter with the UNHCR closer to home.
      If the global problems get no better, what Labor has been doing for three years now is just waing the ” here we are and please come ” flag even higher and it is also dramatically affecting our total immigration program.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      10:48pm | 21/02/11

      @The Drover, the reports of the attack upon the female journalist keep shifting between beating, sexual assault and rape depending upon which publication you read. The very lack of consistent information makes it sound like exaggeration for the purposes of selling newspapers. Those three descriptions of the attack are not the same thing. The media won’t admit it but they want a threat to Israel from Egypt, they want the attack to have been the rape of an attractive female journo because it makes for news porn and it sells. Let’s see what really comes out of this event in a week or two.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:47pm | 20/02/11

      Strange that the Greens have mutually contradictory policies. On one hand they have pro refugee policies and pro maternity leave policies that encourage more population growth thereby increasing carbon emissions output, but want a carbon tax to reduce carbon emissions output.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:34pm | 20/02/11

      I can only imagine the hatred and protests that would be going on right now if it were the Liberal party overseeing this more “compassionate” way of doing things. 
      Think about the reaction if it was the Coalition that actually singled out Sri Lankan and Afghan asylum claims for a blanket suspension for instance.  There is definitely a double standard going on by people pretending to care.

      “There are now more children in detention than there were under Howard.”
      There’s thousands more people in detention than at any time under Howard, not just children.  Prior to Rudd coming along there were a few hundred in total.  Where are the busloads of protestors trying to tear down the gates?

      And on the Tampa, I don’t think Howard had much choice that it would be ‘politicised’ given the timing, it’s not as if he had any say about when it happened.  Some politicians in Norway were screaming over the phone that we *will* allow the ship to come in from international waters because that’s where the rescued people were heading.  Not a good time to be weak just because there’s an election coming up.  If he was weak we could have ended up with a situation similar to what we’re dealing with now.

      All Labor had to do was leave things alone, the other side did all the necessary dirty work and took all the heat for them and we ended up taking in refugees responsibly, they’ve instead undone all that and put the spotlight on themselves.

    • Louisa says:

      02:41pm | 20/02/11

      Quote” One of these children, Seena Aqhlaqi Sheikhdost, was trundled back to Christmas Island this week, a few hours after he had buried his parents. “

      This is incorrect in that he attended the funeral of his father - his mothers body has not been found. The parents who tried to enter Australia illegally - who had probably destoyed their papers

    • Lisa H. says:

      04:30pm | 20/02/11

      The politicising of ‘boat people’ is seen most strongly when discussing the plight of the children.

      Children that have been deliberately put in harm’s way to achieve a goal of a fast-track refugee status in Australia.
      Taking a leaky boat is high risk… how are Australians to blame, exactly for the sinking of an unseaworthy boat?

      Oh, apart from voting in the Gillard government, that is.

      Having said that, I do feel for the children, as I feel for the women, and the men… not only on Christmas Island, but those incarcerated or in ‘hot spots’ and unhealthy or violent refugee camps around the world.

      There’s a lot of misery out there.

      Perhaps if our refugee processing system was made more transparent, and more efficient, less people would feel moved to take the ‘speculative advantage’ by risking their lives and that of their children by getting on an unseaworthy boat.

    • Gregg says:

      12:33am | 21/02/11

      @Lisa
      No immigration is a walk in the park Lisa and even the best of skilled migrants need to meet stringent eligibility requirements.
      As for Refugees and other Humanitarian Visas, it is all laid out @ http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/
      Selection of refugess and those sponsored for HVs is made mostly through UNHCR and other agencies refugee camps but the whole process is under threat because you have people with money knowing what an easy go they can get in heading to Australia with our current government and so they elect to go the fly/people smuggling route.
      If you take note of news footages on boat arrivals, you may notice that there is predominantly young men, many apparently who will claim to be U18 .
      These people not only are sucking us for benefits paid for by taxpayers but they are causing true refugees not to be given a chance of resettlement.

    • Melrusk says:

      03:40pm | 20/02/11

      Toughening or relaxing our assylum seeker policy fails to address the reasons people are leaving thier home land in the first place.

      People didn’t stop making the trip across several countries away from Afphganistan or Iraq or any other war torn counrty in 2000’s because we had the Pacific solution. They simply got penned up in Indonesia under volatile conditions.
      LNP used a tactic of not in sight not our problem, let some one else pick up the humanitarian tab.
      ALP policy clearly is not an ideal solution either but at least they deal with the reality that theses people are here, they are real & as a country engaged in war in thier country we observe an obligation to deal with them.

      When the facilities to support those fleeing violence or persecution in thier region are insufficient, it stands to reason for people surviving a country we claim to support humanity & freedom from violence would expect that to stand true when they arrive on the door step of the counrty claimming to support those rights.

    • Ben81 says:

      05:21pm | 20/02/11

      “Toughening or relaxing our assylum seeker policy fails to address the reasons people are leaving thier home land in the first place.”

      Yes, because that’s another issue.  I think you’ll find that no matter what we do there will still be many millions of asylum seekers ‘penned up’ in the world, we can barely scratch the surface when it comes to relocating them.  This is about nothing more than once again stopping people smuggling in our region while taking in just as many refugees responsibly.  Flying to Indonesia and paying a people smuggler thousands of dollars doesn’t make a person any more worthy than any other refugee, both major parties realise this now.

    • nossy says:

      03:55pm | 20/02/11

      The Coalition is rabble Penbo - if it wasnt for the likes of Howard, Abbott , Morrison who have done their dardest to stop anyone from coming to Australia of an ethnic origin then we wouldnt all be in this pickle today. Of course there are some decent Liberals - Turnbull, Hockey, Robb just to name a few - but at present they are being led by Rednecks who from the sidelines are dictating and stirring up a vicious Asylum Seeker policy - i.e. we dont want anyone to come here ! Shame on Abbott and Shame on Morrison - both duds destined for the political scrapheap !

    • Richard says:

      05:00pm | 20/02/11

      Robb is a hard-liner no? Did you mean Julie Bishop?

    • Ben81 says:

      05:01pm | 20/02/11

      “dictating and stirring up a vicious Asylum Seeker policy - i.e. we dont want anyone to come here !”
      You’re an idiot.  Nothing more needs to be said.

    • Get a grip says:

      04:03pm | 20/02/11

      We are now seeing hideous discrimination against Australians in favour of economic refugees who are, in their thousands, receiving on-demand government funded goods and services.  Indonesia is a democracy but no, wait, Australia has Centrelink!  Another boat arrived here yesterday. How many more border-busters before Gillard and her cronies get the message?  Australian government compassion favours foreigners and I for one do not like it.
      I don’t think children in detention are being treated any worse than the border busters who are put up in various holiday accommodation locations at massive cost to those of us who are working our rear ends off to meet our commitments. They are being cared for, fed and clothed. They have recreation facilities that some of us do not have. They have free legal support, medical support and they are safe. They get a better deal than Australian kids who sleep on the streets, have alcoholic or seriously ill parents who can’t get affordable accommodation.
      This continual bleating for and on behalf of foreigners, while our own go without, is truly ignorant and insulting.
      The only mistake Scott Morrison made was to apologise for saying what Australians may well have been thinking.
      The Gillard woman should take a good hard look at her own “grubby” performances.

    • marley says:

      04:50pm | 20/02/11

      Well, if you don’t like the cost of detention, you should be all in favour of letting them loose in the community and letting their friends and relative support them until their asylum claims are determined.

    • Winkle1A says:

      02:25am | 22/02/11

      Oh ‘get a grip’ ... I wish you would, I really do. So many assumptions and tired old anti refugee diatribe. You are entitled to think and feel whatever but please don’t continue to proliferate the negative discourse of fear and distortion. “Hideous discrimination” against Australian’s because of refugees??? What discrimination and when ... “economic refugees”?? now there’s an assumption, what makes them economic refugees? your say so ??? ... pretty low bar there. “On demand” Govt funded goods and services ... you know these people don’t seem to have a great deal of Power and not honestly in a position to demand anything, otherwise we would have no-one in detention at all. Refugees in their “thousands” ... well a bit sensational ... hints at people pouring in as “border busters”!!!! ? Who would have thought ... refugees fed, clothed, recreation no less ... and holiday accommodation. Sorry but your arguement that “our own” are not getting services and support does not stand up and to us refugees as some kind of cause and effect is ludricous. Oh and “The Gillard Woman”  with “grubby performances” is our Prime Minister but I suspect that being a ‘woman’ has more to do with your views than public policy.
      Think about this ...
      Predominantly people who have come here in boats as asylum seekers have come in times of conflict in their own countries. Vietnam in the 70’s and Iraq and Afghanistan at the present time. All of these countries ironically being bombed at present, by lots of people admittedly, but importantly by us “the coatlition of the willing” both in the 70’s and now. So bombing does seem to have some cause and effect by the looks of it!!!!!! perhaps we all need to think about THAT.

    • Richard says:

      04:20pm | 20/02/11

      This is an excellent article, which captures both the salient facts and the underlying essence of this issue and distils them into a full bodied, crisp and flavoursome piece of writing.

      What’s more its spot on: mandatory detention stinks, its a terrible policy.

      So is off-shore processing.

      But the fundamental problem as I see it, which both of these flawed policies attempt to redress (but fail to), is the influx of unregistered illegal boat arrivals.

      Now I want to make it clear that I am in favour of a very loose and unrestrictive immigration program for our country.

      The greatest period of economic expansion in world history coincided with the free immigration values of 1800’s American society (“give us your tired, your poor, your hungry” etc), and it was this vibrancy and growth which laid the foundation for America to become the world’s predominant super power in the following century.

      We Australians in this wide empty land are also in need of such growth and vibrancy to spur us forward and enhance our wealth and power.

      However, even with an open door immigration policy, I would think that it should still be necessary for new arrivals to apply through the proper official channels and have respect for our laws and due processes.

      I mean its just good manners, isn’t it?

      But even more so, its also the principle. Ideologically I believe in limited government. Really, in my opinion the only valid functions of government are to ensure the rule of law and to protect the integrity of our borders.

      If these two are the only real legitimate functions of government, then that is what they should focus on. The should get it right; they should make it safe, smooth and orderly.

      This deadly farce though of semi-allowing scores of boat people to rock up on our shores unannounced every week has got to stop. Someone needs to come up with some policies that can put an end to this dangerous unlawful practice once and for all.

    • marley says:

      04:52pm | 20/02/11

      If you don’t believe in offshore resettlement, exactly how do you expect refugees to apply through “proper channels.”  That’s the only channel there is. Take it away and you have what?

      And incidentally, if you don’t like government, who’s going to hand out the invitations for all those immigrants to come?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      07:41pm | 20/02/11

      “Now I want to make it clear that I am in favour of a very loose and unrestrictive immigration program for our country.”

      You want a loose and unrestrictive immigration program. I take you are in favor of raising taxes to pay for the infrastructure required for these arrivals, no? I take it that you are in favor of a big bureaucracy to process these arrivals, no? I take it you are in favor of an even bigger housing bubble that prices succeeding generations out the property maket, no? I take it you are offering to pay their unemployment benefits during a cyclical downturn, no?

    • Richard says:

      09:40pm | 20/02/11

      Sorry Marley perhaps my meaning was ambiguous… I was referring to off-shore processing in the style of Nauru or Manus Island or the proposed East Timor regional processing centre when I said it was a terrible policy:~ I didn’t mean for the government to close down all its foreign embassies and consulates etc.

      To answer your second question, I was envisioning that expanding businesses would require many new employees, and so the lure of lasting employment would be incentive enough for immigrants to move here without the government having to hand out invitations.

    • Richard says:

      10:12pm | 20/02/11

      You have it exactly Shane, I am not in favour of any of those scenarios.
      I most certainly oppose any and all tax increases, not least due to my belief that government is the least efficient and cost-effective provider of infrastructure.

      I want smaller bureaucracies and I want to see an end to welfare payments. I know how radical my values are, but I’ve put a lot of thought into them over the years. I’m entitled to hold them, no matter how acute the minority I belong to.

      To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I don’t think government is the answer to these problems. In fact the government to a large extent is the cause of these same problems. I mean, would we even have had the housing bubble without the FHOG? Possibly, but it certainly didn’t help the situation anyways.

      I guess I’m just an optimist. I have laconic good faith that the free market will somehow work it out, “She’ll be right mate”. I don’t have all the solutions, I don’t think anyone does. But between the powerful dynamics of vigourous competition and mutually beneficial co-operation, I genuinely believe that we’ll resolve these difficulties and advance the living standard of all.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      01:36am | 21/02/11

      It is not unlawful or illegal.  Get over it.  They are allowed under the law to arrive and ask for help just as those who fly here are.

      Is there something missing in your brain that refuses to accept the simplest law on earth, a law set in concrete by Australia and 146 other nations = “everyone has the right to seek asylum from persecution”.

      All the rest of the babble is lies and distortions.

    • marley says:

      06:30pm | 21/02/11

      @Richard - okay, I did misunderstand you. I agree that regional processing isn’t great policy.  For the rest, damned if I want a company, however Australian, deciding who comes to this country.  We need to have the government out there screening people. Not recruiters for BHP or your local ethnic restaurant.

    • mary says:

      04:27pm | 20/02/11

      I find it extremely distasteful and inappropriate that the media continues to display private grief so publicly. Was the boy given a choice to have his pain displayed so blatantly all over the media ..  again ..  and again .. and again? For the sake of selling some papers/articles?

    • Kirsty says:

      04:32pm | 20/02/11

      I’m an Australian living in Doha, Qatar. This morning a news story is running half hourly on Al Jazeera, it shows the mural painted back in Sept “ban the Burqa”, it then explains the story of the funereal piece and Scott Morrison’s sound bite about not paying for transport to funerals. I can’t imagine what the rest of the world thinks of us, it’s not a pretty picture. Australia seems so quick to brag about it’s multiculturalism but I’m not sure if we really understand how to embrace all cultures.

    • Tia says:

      04:56pm | 20/02/11

      Stay in Dohar then Kirsty - you are obviously clueless.

      We taxpayers are being conned and ripped off by organized people smugglers and taken advantage of by country shoppers. Not only that, our governments policies encourage this behavior.

      I’ll be glad if that news clip puts off some illegals who think that the Australian government is here to accommodate their every whim.
      (which sadly they are)

    • CaptainCrunch says:

      05:27pm | 20/02/11

      Who cares what Al-Jazeera says?

      Do you think they care what we think of them?

    • Dave C says:

      05:38pm | 20/02/11

      So Al Jazeera thinks we are racist hey. I have an idea try getting into Qatar illegally (or any Arab Country really) and see what reception you get. While your there try and practice a Christian religion and hey if you die in the process of getting into Qatar get the Qatar Govt to pay for the cost of transporting relatives and bodies to the largest city.

      Yeah we are really racist in the eyes of the Arab World arnt we????

    • Uncle Bob says:

      06:03pm | 20/02/11

      @Kirsty
      At least Australia doles out PR and citizenship to all cultures including Muslims. While you’re there over in Doha try not to get too attached to the place will you.  As a non-Arab you’ll find it as easy to get citizenship there as it is for a Qatari camel to pass through the eye of a needle. And who said anything about bragging about multiculturalism? Most Australians never asked for it and don’t want it. Same with every country in that region. So enough of the bleeding heart crap please.

    • The Drover says:

      08:14pm | 20/02/11

      Why doesnt Qautar take them all? their a lot bloody closer, same religion, love burqas and are bulging with petro dollars, no brainer really.

    • Gregg says:

      12:20am | 21/02/11

      Taxpayers paying $300,000 for non Australians to be flown to funerals of non Australians is nothing to do with MC Kirsty.
      You should also explain how most of these smart arse lads ain’t exactly U18 lads too.
      ASnd while you’re at it ask them what they think about the monied queue jumpers taking the places of true refugess.

    • made in Oz says:

      11:02am | 21/02/11

      Kirsty, try applying for a job in Australia with either an accent or coloured skin and see how much all cultures are embraced. Ask Tia, Captain Crunch, DaveC, Uncle Bob, theDrover and Gregg if they were born here and chances are ..

    • australians = tax paying suckers says:

      04:49pm | 20/02/11

      Here we go again.
      Fancy so many parents sending children off alone on leaky boats?

      There has been a massive increase in unaccompanied male minors specifically from Afghanistan and Iraq. And it seems the “unaccompanied youths” know the all the loopholes:

      In the Immigration Department’s application pack for a Class XA protection visa, explains that unaccompanied “children” who win refugee status have more right than single men to send for their families to join them:

      “If you have been separated from members of your immediate family and are successful in your visa application and you are granted a permanent subclass 866 Protection visa, you may be able to propose them for humanitarian entry to Australia…. (Not only that, well-meaning lawyers will give free help)

      Labor refuses to have these so called “minors” age tested.
      Simple tests that are routinely used in court cases here in Australia like a simple X-ray of the wrist to determine the amount of ossification of the wrist bones which will easily tell the age within weeks of the birth age.

      THIS IS A BLATANT CON.
      Why don’t you write about this instead of more guilt laced dribble about illegals and how it’s all our fault?

      How many illegal immigrants should we accept before we try to stop them? 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, a million or more?

      Real refugees in general cannot afford the plane/boat trips that these boys are able to. Australia is being conned by a well organised network - and not the first time either. The real refugees linger in camps put further down the queue because of these “children in detention”.

      http://www.islammonitor.org

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      04:59pm | 20/02/11

      The ALP does indeed have a problem.

      Don’t alienate the progressive Left within the inner city electorates

      BUT .......also try not to alienate Blue Collar Labor Voters in the outer suburban seats like Linsay in Western Sydney.

      But with all that said Morrisson is a reactionary populist . The conservative side of politics have WEDGED the ALP on issues of refugees.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      04:59pm | 20/02/11

      The ALP does indeed have a problem.

      Don’t alienate the progressive Left within the inner city electorates

      BUT .......also try not to alienate Blue Collar Labor Voters in the outer suburban seats like Linsay in Western Sydney.

      But with all that said Morrisson is a reactionary populist . The conservative side of politics have WEDGED the ALP on issues of refugees.

    • Seano says:

      05:05pm | 20/02/11

      No child should be in detention ever.

      Both the Liberal and Labor parties should be ashamed that this has and is still occuring. They’re children FFS. When did we become such miserable bastards that we have to lock up children?

    • andrew says:

      08:43pm | 20/02/11

      We are not putting them on the boats or on the planes knowing that their fait is detention.

    • Gregg says:

      12:12am | 21/02/11

      Are they really all children Seano, FFS
      If these over age kids are put into our local schools, how will you feel about anything that develops that you would not want happening to your own daughter or sister!

    • Seano says:

      08:21am | 21/02/11

      @Andrew - what a ridiculous comment. How are children responsible for the decisions their parents make? And why should they be punished because of those decisions?

      @Gregg - “Are they really all children Seano, FFS”

      Yes. A 9 year old is a child.

      “If these over age kids are put into our local schools, how will you feel about anything that develops that you would not want happening to your own daughter or sister! “

      They’re children you fool. They come here, they go to school they integrate very quickly. The learn to play cricket and footy, they get involved in lamington drives and they sing the national anthem at school assemblies. They do what all children do, they play, they learn, they integrate and hopefully considering what many of them go through they heal. I know this because I teach many of these children in GWS.

      The insane and bigotted paranoia over children is really shameful and nothing to do with the Australian attitudes of a fair go and a good bloke is a good bloke.

    • Gregg says:

      11:54pm | 21/02/11

      @ Seano
      I’m not talking of the nine year old who could be 12 or 14 for all we know but what of the 19 or 20 YO who says he is 16 or the 22 or 23 YO who’ll claim to be 17, all for good benefits reasons.

    • Seano says:

      07:06am | 22/02/11

      You are kidding? Are you that desperate to keep children out?

      How many 20 year olds do you know who could pass for 9? And 12 and 14 year olds are children as well (so why you think they would pretend is beyond me).

      You would lock up children because of some crazy paranoia that there are some adults pretending to be children get into the country? You sound like a crazy bigot.

    • Lesley G says:

      05:13pm | 20/02/11

      Almost half the boat people who claim to be minors may be lying about their age to gain favourable treatment while in detention. These “unaccompanied minors” are well in their twenties they just know how to play the system to get preferential treatment this has been going on for years in the UK.

      The issue of the actual age of those claiming to be minors came to prominence after residents of Christmas Island complained that their children appeared to be being educated in the local school alongside asylum seekers who despite their claims to be minors appeared to be over school age. This is actually a situation which could place children in danger, but of course then it all dropped off the radar.

      $10,000 is a really good investment to be dropped off here in the land of milk and honey on a leaky boat.  Once the “under-ager” is in, then follows Mum, Dad,the 4 sisters and the 6 brothers all brought here with your tax dollars

      free legal assistance (as a minor)
      Centrelink for life,
      free medical,
      free dental,
      free housing
      free schooling at one of the many Islamic colleges being set up in the suburbs and funded by the Saudis ,where they are taught not to assimilate into infidel society.

      Not bad for only $10,000

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/8607237/asylum-seekers-lie-about-age/

      http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/column_coming_by_boat_is_a_job_for_the_boys/P20/

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      05:21pm | 20/02/11

      Why do some here think it is OK to torture innocent human beings for the sake of their own frigging racist attitudes?

      Coming to Australia by sea is not now and nor has it ever been illegal, in fact unless people can swim from Sri Lanka it seems like a pretty good idea.

      We have paid for spies in Sri Lankan airports to stop Tamils leaving, we have paid for the navy to arrest them if they try to leave - this is a place where the president is committing heinous war crimes and has declared himself president for life in another dictatorship.

      We sent AFP to Pakistan when 3 million were forced to flee the Taliban 2 years ago, not to help anyone but to stop anyone leaving, we have no right to do such things.

      We have 102 AFP roaming all over Asia having men, women and kids illegally jailed in Malaysia where the government engages in trafficking them as slaves, whips and beats them or sends them home at our expense.

      WE have them incarcerated in Indonesia at great expense and then pretend that IOM is a lawful operation instead of a band of mercenary thugs started by a corrupt former happy clapping FBI agent from Hawaii to do government dirty work and that we pay IOM many millions more than any country on earth to jail people and send them home to die.

      In Afghanistan we whine endlessly about a soldier being killed but never mention the thousands of women who die in childbirth, the tens of thousands of kids who die before they reach 5, the fact that 44% of the country is under 14, the median age is 18, the life expectancy is 44 and 9 million Afghans are starving while we watch poppies grow and support the warlords and criminals called the Karzai government.

      The problem with the lazy morons like Erick is they don’t bother to look past their frigging noses at the reason people are running away.

      Instead they pretend they can torture and incarcerate innocent people because they jumped some queue, yet in Australia not one person has ever been charged with jumping any queue.

      Recent estimates show that during the 180 days average time in jail the DIC’s do 18 hours work on each case, they denied asylum to 500 people but reviews showed that 62% of them were granted asylum anyway, that no smugglers are giving country advise to anyone really except to say this is a humantarian and kind country - they got that wrong.

      I am revolted by the attitude that people here say that “those refugees” over there have claims on us when a quick check on the DIAC and UNHCR websites would show that protection is the first priority, going home if possible is the second and never by force and the last option is resettlement of some who already have protection but want something better.

      What you morons are actually supporting is the double dippers taking the place of asylum seekers who have not had a claim assessed and have asked us for help.

      How in god’s name that ludicrous situation was allowed to fester I don’t know but the media have been long complicit in the lie.

    • Louisa says:

      07:17pm | 20/02/11

      Ah - the racist card again.

    • Gregg says:

      12:05am | 21/02/11

      Marilyn, you are really the Queen of the Morons.
      You mention the policies of the UNHCR and then talk of double dippers as if you have a screw loose.

      The UNHCR and other agencies care for about 15M refugees outside of their home countries and then there are somewhere about another 27M classed as IDPs and a whole lot less classed as ASs probably because it is a more fluid number and they choose to bypass the UNHCR.
      Have you ever thought about why?
      This information has been pointed out to tou time and again and yet you still come up with your old tired shit rants.

      Do you not have any compassion for all those in refugee centres, a mere handful annually that will go through selection as a refugee and more that may have been selected for sponsoring but a lot less now that we have the ones with $$$$ using the people smuggling route you have claimed in the past does not exist.

      Now you state how the AFP is in action in various countries to help dtem the people smuggling and if that means those who will choose to use it end up somewhere else rather than on a people smuggling boat that may well sink, isn’t that a good thing!

      So you who would rather them risk death it would seem are more than just a moron, by your very own admission of not supporting the stopping of people smuggling you have claimed does not exist.
      Choke on it Marilyn

    • Pete says:

      01:07am | 21/02/11

      I’m surprised: many of the comments on this article seem relatively constructive - on both sides. Then I see Marilyn the Sea Shepherdess and his predictable hysterics and wonder if Australia will ever be able to have a broad and inclusive discussion about the issues of refugees seekers. That’s what worries more: the dominance in this debate by extremists on both sides. It’s at fever pitch and shows no signs of abating, which is shameful for a sophisticated nation like ours.

    • Dave C says:

      05:54pm | 20/02/11

      There is a solution to the entire “refugee” problem/debate that we are having.

      1) Withdraw Australia’s signature to UN Refugee Convention. Why should an we let an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy decide our immigration policy. Yes if we as a nation can sign up we can as a nation state change our mind and withdraw from any UN convention we want to.

      2) All the people in all the camps are transported by Navy ship to the nearest UNHCR.  Any new ships containing people seeking asylum that the Navy see are made to detour to the nearest UNHCR (at gunpoint if necessary)  if the people on those ships are in distress we provide short term food, medical and fuel requirements but only to help them on their way. 

      3) At the same time we double our intake of genuine refugees who are waiting patiently in UNHCR camps.

      The end result could be that the same people on the boats end up living in Australia. However the difference is a process was followed correctly and the people migrated here on our terms and no on else’s. 

      4) Christmas Island is kept open to be used as a 2 - 3 month punishment (before deportation) for anyone who enters Australia by plane and overstays their visa requirements.

      This 4 point plan would mean that we would still take refugees into Australia, however we would take them on our terms and not be held hostage to people smugglers or refugee activists.

    • Peter says:

      09:50am | 21/02/11

      Not a bad plan Dave, however as a further disincentive to the country shoppers who pass through many safe countries on their way to the land of endless welfare they should be excluded from ever being accepted entry to Australia. I agree with doubling the number of ‘real’ refugees that we accept.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:36pm | 20/02/11

      While a 9yo ‘orphan’ certainly deserves to be placed in foster care, why are the ‘bleeding hearts’ whinging about children in detention? Who would be so heartless as to rip a young child away from his parents and place them in a short term institution? If these ‘children’ are arriving unaccompanied, we should be flying them back to their family in the country of origin. else we are deliberately supporting child stealing!

    • David says:

      07:58pm | 20/02/11

      The thing that annoys me most is that the people complaining about asylum seekers and muslim immigration is that they do not understand that they are just being manipulated for political purposes.

      Point 1: Australia has a small problem with asylum seekers compared to many other similar western countries. Just look at the issues Italy is having at the moment (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/15/3138959.htm?section=justin)

      Point 2: When you look at the 08-09 country of origin of Australian immigrants only a relatively small number come from muslim countries. (http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/02key.htm#c)

    • Gregg says:

      11:51pm | 20/02/11

      @David
      Lets put those that complain without basis aside for a moment David and even do the same with the forever increasing astronomical costs and drain on resources that could well be used for Australians in dire need right now, no roofs over their heads and sleeping in cars, halls, shed etc. or on a friendly neighbours couch if they’re lucky.

      But don’t bother with any of that and have a look at the Immi Fact Sheet 60 and you’ll see that as people smuggling has increased, so do onshore humanitarian visas and what goes down is the offshore humanitarian visas.
      And do you want to take a guess at what that means?
      Yep, it means that less people will be sponsored from refugee centres, from centres run by the UNHCR and other agencies, there usually being about 50,000 making applications annually and so many more than we can cope with.
      Do you need to ask yourself why those refugees are stranded? and committed to whatever chance they may have had via the the UNHCR/Australia selection process.
      They have no money David and they are true refugees!

      And I mentioned the drain on resources! and yep courtesy of the people smuggling, the Immi resources are not at all coping very well at all and as I help out immigrants in an informal way with their visa applications, there are so many skilled people that we need in this country who are facing longer processing times thanks to that drain on resources.

      A great state of affairs we’re creating in this country Davis and do not be too concerned with what is happening in Europe for do you not think the word will get out on how much easier life will be downunder with all the benefits available.
      We cannot fix the global problem but there is a global organisation we have been working very well with in the past and that’s the UNHCR.

    • i support zero net migration says:

      12:23am | 21/02/11

      Point 1.
      How many thousands of illegals do we need to have before you see it as a problem? How many deaths on the way here? How many detention centres? How many should be released into the community? How many illegals should be rewarded with Australian residency?

      Point 2.
      With only the current rate of Muslim immigration, the numbers will rise dramatically over the next 10-20 yrs due to extremely high birth rates.  At what percentage are we allowed to say there is no a problem? When it’s too late to do anything about it? Shall we wait until Muslims march in the streets for shariah law as they have in the UK or perhaps until they close down the streets for prayer like in Paris?

    • marley says:

      07:57pm | 21/02/11

      @Gregg - you’re right that every onshore asylum claim takes a place from someone in a camp.  Why is that?  No other country links the onshore issue to offshore resettlement numbers. Just us.  Other countries have commitments to offshore resettlement, and observe them, regardless of how many onshore asylum seekers they get.  I think we ought to be as good as other countries.

    • MarK says:

      08:08pm | 20/02/11

      Over 100 have died as a direct result of Labor’s “compassion.

      That is all that needs to be said

    • nameinuse says:

      10:49pm | 20/02/11

      andrew: “We are not putting them on the boats or on the planes knowing that their fait is detention.”

      You utter moron.  “Fait” ...

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      12:27am | 21/02/11

      Hi there,

      There seems to be so much contraversy concerning the plight of “asylum seekers or refugees”. I have noticed that religion is a big issue when it comes to how most arrive uninvited and without any legal paper work.  I must say that I am totally opposed to the idea of anyone arriving at any country without a passport and a legal visa.  Then again, we are all aware of the fact thousands of people worldwide cross borders illegally!!

      However, Australia is in a very different position all together, because when we go back in time, most migrants whether from England, Europe and also some Asian destinations like Cambodia, Vietnam and China have always arrived on so called “leaky boats”.  I am just wondering if they had any proper paper work with them??  We have to hold United Nations responsible, when it comes to their position regarding the refugees seeking asylum on humanitarian reasons only!!

      We all know how every one feels about “these unwanted people”, but I would like to see some facts and figures first!!  Lets not make it about religion only!!  Of course, we have to show compassion to those innocent children,  how about punishing those who are actually involved in bringing these people to our shores???  I still have trouble seeing that “it could be so wrong now, then again it was right for some a while ago”!!
      Best regards to your editors.

    • JACK SPRATT says:

      06:35am | 21/02/11

      Mr Bowen’s “genius” in multiculturalism is a first confession of policy gone berserk. So his first step will be to completely open borders for the free settlement of Muslims and others within this country, all because he has absolutely no control over his portfolio. How very dangerously “clever”. Would he agree with Theodore Roosevelt who welcomed migrants ONLY if they spoke his language and saluted his flag? Now guess how many want to be part of us rather than us part of them.

    • James1 says:

      09:46am | 21/02/11

      “So his first step will be to completely open borders for the free settlement of Muslims and others within this country”

      I must have missed that policy annoucement.  Can you direct me to where you found it?

    • shane says:

      06:58am | 21/02/11

      Of the 75 comments that were up when I opened this page:

      43: Screw asylum seeks, give me back my country.
      17: Relatively none aligned
      15: Pro asylum seeks

      Theres a message in there somewhere. Don’t think I care to articulate it though.

    • Seano says:

      06:07pm | 21/02/11

      “Theres a message in there somewhere.” Only if you’re silly enough to believe that the response to a blog or a phone poll is in anyway representitive of public opinion as a whole.

    • Kevin says:

      08:53am | 21/02/11

      I’m a migrant myself and I’m not white, but to my best knowledge I don’t know why the boy should be released. He should be return home to where he come from, there shouldn’t be mandatory detention, all illegal arrivals should be sent home immediately. No body should benefit from their own criminal activity, boat people aren’t victim they are the one who break the law. Now anyone call me a racist?

    • Seano says:

      01:05pm | 21/02/11

      There’s a difference between a migrant and refugee. Also you’re suggesting we send an orphaned child to his place of origin when he has family here who could take him in? Is this the sort of Australia we want, heartless and cruel but at least safe from dangers of orphaned children?

      PS. The colour of your skin does not make your opinion any more or less valid.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      09:49am | 21/02/11

      I agree with you Penbo. Labor needs to “Nut up” and actuallt decide one way or the other on detention policy. Go right and get no benefit (because the tough on border protection crowd are going to stick with the Libs anyway) or go left and win some greens votes back. Or stay where they are and lose the next election. Ball is in their court.

    • Anna C says:

      11:15am | 21/02/11

      I have no problems about accepting our fair share of refugees but would prefer if if they arrived in Australia in an orderly way and not on rickety boats. I think the thing that really irks people (including myself) is the amount of money spent on them re housing, health care, support services etc.  This is because I was brought up during the Howard Government’s User Pays system and think people should have to make a positive contribution to the community via taxes etc before they get anything back in assistance.  This is the crux of the issue, a lot of Australians consider these new illegals/ refugees as ‘takers’ and not ‘givers’. In the olden days (post WW 2) new migrants/refugees got no help from the Government and were just expected to get a job, pay taxes, obey the laws and get on with their lives; like my parents did. Why does the safety-net for these new illegals/ refugees have to be soo bloody generous now? With cost of living pressures adversly affecting most people it is disheartening to see these interlopers (who have yet to make a positive contribution to our society) get so well looked after by this stupid government.

    • Anna C says:

      11:15am | 21/02/11

      I have no problems about accepting our fair share of refugees but would prefer if if they arrived in Australia in an orderly way and not on rickety boats. I think the thing that really irks people (including myself) is the amount of money spent on them re housing, health care, support services etc.  This is because I was brought up during the Howard Government’s User Pays system and think people should have to make a positive contribution to the community via taxes etc before they get anything back in assistance.  This is the crux of the issue, a lot of Australians consider these new illegals/ refugees as ‘takers’ and not ‘givers’. In the olden days (post WW 2) new migrants/refugees got no help from the Government and were just expected to get a job, pay taxes, obey the laws and get on with their lives; like my parents did. Why does the safety-net for these new illegals/ refugees have to be soo bloody generous now? With cost of living pressures adversly affecting most people it is disheartening to see these interlopers (who have yet to make a positive contribution to our society) get so well looked after by this stupid government.

    • James1 says:

      12:10pm | 21/02/11

      Because once a person is recognised as a refugee, they are Australian.  Thus they have access to all the same services, benefits, and have to pay the same taxes as other Australians.  By your standards, large parts of the Aboriginal community should have no access to healthcare or welfare, because neither they nor their parents (and in some cases their grandparents) have never paid anything into the system.  Furthermore, many people born in Australia should also be denied access to healthcare, because they and their parents have never paid anything into the system.  Most low income earners would not receive healthcare, because they receive more in benefits than they pay in tax, and thus make no positive contribution to our society.

      That is where this line of thinking takes us - we end up with two distinct classes of citizen - citizens who can access basic services, and citizens who cannot.

    • John says:

      04:01pm | 21/02/11

      If these people are real refugees then why don’t they fly in ? A lot cheaper and safer then coming by boat.
      What have they to fear?
      Truth is they know the only way in is by illegal means with no or false documentation that would not stand up at an international airport arrivals point.
      Ergo they are lying.
      END OF ARGUMENT

    • marley says:

      08:01pm | 21/02/11

      @John - to fly in, you need to have a passport.  That might be difficult to get.  You need to have a visa. If you’re an Afghan or an Iraqi, that is going to be very very hard to get.  The average Aussie visa officer is not going to give a visitor visa to an Afghan who looks like he might not return to Afghanistan after his visit to Bondi.  So, no visa, no travel.  You cannot get on a plane to Australia without an Australian visa.  Simple as that.

        And that means, look to other routes.

    • John says:

      12:09am | 22/02/11

      Than how did they get to a transit country?

 

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