Well, you’ve got to hand it to the AFL today, even if it’s taken them about 10 years to say publicly that it’s not OK to slur gay blokes.

A look inside the closet… Picture: Theo Fakos

They’ve done the respect for women thing and the respect for indigenous players thing and the drink driving thing and the don’t do drugs thing – or at least the don’t do drugs more than two times unless your name is Ben Cousins thing.

Now, finally, just weeks after St Kilda’s Stephen Milne used a homophobic slur against Collingwood player Harry O’Brien, Andrew Demetriou has put his weight behind a campaign called “No to Homophobia”.

This is good. Kids and adults alike sitting in the outer now know that it is totally not OK to make racists remarks. In truth, the actions of players like Nicky Winmar probably had more to do with the change in public attitude and standards than the punitive threats of men in suits or men in blue uniform.

All the same, the AFL and Lord Demetriou were at least partly responsible for an era in which racist insults went from commonplace and tolerated, to rare and completely unacceptable. And now they’re trying to do the same thing with gay slurs.

Only one thing is missing: a player to serve as the public face of the campaign

When the AFL pushes its barrows, be they celebrations of volunteers or women or indigenous players, it has no shortage of “ambassadors” for its causes, to use that awful contemporary term.

The ambassadorial shelf on the anti-homophobia message is a little bare at the moment, but the closet must be chockers.

There has to be a gay player in the AFL. There are something like 800 professional AFL players in the country. Some people say as many as one in 10 men are gay. On those maths, you’d be talking about 80 blokes.

Let’s say it’s only five per cent. That’s still at least two players at every club. So who will step forward and be to their sport what the admirable Ian Roberts was to rugby league?

Whoever it is can probably expect a small backlash, but a much, much bigger and more positive reaction from the football community and the wider public. And think of the positives. If Footy Show Neanderthal Sam Newman blows a gasket, which he probably will, then Nine can sack the buffoon once and for all.

Two years ago, AFL motormouth Jason Akermanis wrote a column of questionable merit in which he urged gay players to stay in the closet, as coming out would only make their team-mates uncomfortable.

Aker went on to state that he has no problems with gay blokes, and he is to be believed for this, as the man is actually no bigot and only about three quarters as barking mad as he comes across.

And then, Aker wrote a sentence which has thus far proved depressingly prophetic. He said: “Now try being the first AFL player to come out. That is too big a burden for any player.”

Of course, it’s not up to me or Andrew Demetriou or anyone to encourage anyone to come out of the closet. That’s for that person to decide. But what that person, or those people, should bear in mind is that they will be welcomed. It’s official now. When Demetriou promises, he generally delivers.

If any gay AFL player needs that extra inch of persuasion to make his sexuality public, he’d do well to Google a bloke called Mark Bingham. He’s the guy who helped storm the cockpit and take down the 9/11 flight that crashed in Pennsylvania, and he was a gay rugby player. There’s even a gay rugby tournament named after him now.

Gay sportsmen need not be objects of ridicule. To paraphrase the words of the world’s gayest band whose music is often played at major sporting events, they can be champions, my friend.

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    • Bill says:

      06:49am | 29/08/12

      As our national sporting code, the AFL has always been the leader when it comes to addressing issues like racism and sexism and it’s great that it has now turned it’s attention to tacking homophobia.

    • dovif says:

      08:28am | 29/08/12

      Because AFL is so boring that most players just stand around and talk to each other and give hugs to each other. I was at a Swans game once and the Full forward and full back stood on the same spot for almost 5 minutes. Not only would they have enough time to tackling homophobia, they could have found a cure for cancer during that time

    • Bill says:

      09:10am | 29/08/12

      @ Dovif - this an article about our national code tackling homophobia and all you want to do is post an idiotic comment about our most popular sport.

      Keep your stupidity to yourself, because no one wants to hear it.

    • Dash says:

      09:12am | 29/08/12

      @dovif - I was in a pub last weekend in Sydney. No one was watching the League. About halfway through the second half of the Bledisloe, everyone turned around and started to watch the Swans vs Hawks sell out at the SCG. People were yelling out and getting right into it. The league was on an abandoned tv all alone with not a soul interested.

      And by your comments you have clearly never played the game, nor did you see that great game last weekend! People in the SCG members stand were going ballistic!

    • dovif says:

      10:08am | 29/08/12

      Most popular sport

      LOL, league has higher TV audience + attendance then the AFL, who really is only played in a corner of Australia, not nationally

      Bill
      The league game was a mismatch but would draw more people then when Western Sydney or Gold coast played

      If we have the State of Origin up against the AFL grand final, the TV ratings would show how much an inferior product the AFL is

    • Oh Hai says:

      10:18am | 29/08/12

      They were playing rugby league in the Bledisloe Cup?

    • Babylon says:

      10:38am | 29/08/12

      Lets compare writing glowing copy on Julia Gillard in The Age, to playing in the AFL.

      The AFL industry has Australians worshipping black and gay players. Posters of them adorn walls, shirts proudly proclaim there names. It’s hero worship across the States.

      Let’s look at The Age. Certainly I couldn’t name a black or gay journalist at The Age and I have never seen any Australian proudly displaying a poster or T shirt naming one they worship.

      When you do a comparison like that the Age comes across as a White Socialist bourgeoisie club.

      I wish they’d leave the politics out of the game and concentrate on keeping it exciting. Clearly there is plenty of other industries that really require such attention.

    • TimB says:

      10:44am | 29/08/12

      ‘Keep your stupidity to yourself, because no one wants to hear it.’

      Garbage Bill. Your comment is loaded with the AFL fawning ‘national code’ rubbish you peddle on every article remotely related to AFL or NRL. This is nothing more than a continuation of your usual trolling.

      So yes, you do want to hear it, because your comment was specifically worded to get that reaction.

      Half the country supports AFL. The other half supports League. The only really national sport is the cricket.

    • Dash says:

      10:50am | 29/08/12

      @Oh Hai - no! Three tellys, three games. Doh

      @dovif - WTF? the TV rights deal for Australian Football is worth more because it has a larger audience. And attendences at the AFL smash the NRL. Membership numbers for AFL clubs are the envy of the NRL. What are you on about?

    • Bazza says:

      10:52am | 29/08/12

      “As our national code”, you got that half right,  cricket is our national and international code

    • TChong says:

      11:11am | 29/08/12

      Bill, TimB
      Over here fellas for a playful punch on the shoulder, and a jab to the ribs.
      ARL - is the premier game, mostly because its the best game, and played in the premier state.
      AFL - almost ( aprox 90% ) as good as ARL.
      Agree with TimB - cricket is The National game , and just as well, because we won the opener in the UAE this am.
      The South African next,  1st Test 9 November, Gabba.
      Roll on summer !!!!!!

    • Bill says:

      12:43pm | 29/08/12

      Dovif - I didn’t want to detract from this important article about fighting homophobia and turn it into some silly AFL / NRL fight, but your lies cannot go unanswered.

      Firstly, Australian football is played in EVERY state in the country at a professional level, and is hugely popular in the two terretories as well. That’s a little more than “a corner of Australia”. Secondly, more than 7 million people went to a game of Australian football last year, compared to only 3.5 million who went to see a game of rugby league. Don’t get me started on club membership numbers, because I will just embarrass you further.

      Australian football IS the national code, whether you want to believe it or not. The day the NRL gets crowds of 40 - 50,000 in Perth and Adelaide- oh wait, there are no teams in Perth and Adelaide.

    • TimB says:

      01:31pm | 29/08/12

      ‘Dovif - I didn’t want to detract from this important article about fighting homophobia and turn it into some silly AFL / NRL fight, but your lies cannot go unanswered. ‘

      What a laugh. You deliberately started the fight with your trolling Bill. Sack up and take some responsibility.

      AFL is not a national code. It is a code for half the country at best.

    • paul says:

      03:26pm | 29/08/12

      As a gay man….

      @dovif I think you comment is HILARIOUS! Clearly Bill is taking you light hearted humor out of context!!

      @Bill I think you should get a grip! Clearly dovif was having a dig at the pace of AFL not homophobia…just breath!

    • Ando says:

      05:59pm | 29/08/12

      Dash,
      Not in the pub I was in.

    • gobsmack says:

      07:25am | 29/08/12

      It seems to me that the player who reacts badly to being called a “poof” is the homophobe.

    • Spock says:

      07:54am | 29/08/12

      Fascinating and logical.

    • Michael says:

      07:59am | 29/08/12

      The intent behind the delivery of the word is homophobic.

      Being Homosexual isn’t a lesser state than being Heterosexual the suggestion that it is is homophobic, an irrational fear of…

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      08:20am | 29/08/12

      It’s the intent behind the slur. By calling another player a ‘poof’ or a ‘faggot’, you’re saying that being gay is a bad thing, and you are not a real man if you are gay.

      Which of course is a load of old bollocks.

    • gobsmack says:

      09:13am | 29/08/12

      I take the point about the intent of the jibe.

      However, if the AFL starts dishing out penalties to players who call other players poofs, they could be implicitly reinforcing the idea that it is insulting to suggest another player is a homosexual.

    • Tom says:

      01:22pm | 29/08/12

      @gobsmack Absolutely flawed logic. So you would say that if a player calls another player a ‘nigger’ or an ‘abo’ that the person who reacts badly to it is the racist? And on your second post, it is insulting to a lot of people calling them a poof… just like it is to call people a nigger/abo etc. etc. etc. Highlighting somebodies sexual preference (or race) as something to be ashamed or ridiculed on is not acceptable because you don’t choose your sexual preference (or your race). How people do not understand this is beyond me.

    • gobsmack says:

      02:18pm | 29/08/12

      @Tom
      Flawed logic?
      You have picked a very poor example.  If you make a racist remark towards an aboriginal player, there is usually no doubt that the player is aboriginal.  If, for example, you call the player a “black c#@*” it is unlikely that the player would be offended by the word “black”.
      Granted, that the word “poof” has a certain pejorative value to it but the straight-identifying footballer is likely to be more offended by the suggestion that he is gay than by the use of a coarse term to convey that suggestion.
      As a gay man, I probably understand these issues better than you.

    • thruthehaze says:

      02:30pm | 29/08/12

      Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. If Harry O isn’t gay then how is it homophobic to call him a poof or a shirt-lifter or whatever Milne said?

    • Tom says:

      03:14pm | 29/08/12

      You have missed the point entirely. Even if you are a gay man, you are still a gay man not using his brain. Congratulations that you are comfortable with your sexuality and are not offended when people pigeon hole your sexuality into derogatory terms. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there (young men in the country especially) who do not feel as safe within themselves as you and in turn kill themselves. As the most watched football code in Australia (sorry NRL), the AFL is right to stamp this out and therfor set a community standard in saying it is not ok to highlight somebodies sexual preference and demonise them for it (even if they are gay or not). That is the real issue. This isn’t about AFL players getting offended or not, it is about the wider community. If you cannot see that this is the point, then you are just a gay man who lives with his eyes shut.

    • gobsmack says:

      04:02pm | 29/08/12

      @Tom
      Your attempts to remain outraged have blurred your thinking.
      Of course a young gay man doesn’t like to hear “poof” being used as an insult.  However, this sort of sledging is not picked up on TV. The game might be widely watched, but what the players say to each other goes largely unheard.  The use of the word as an insult has only become known since the AFL started fussing over it.
      And this is an entirely separate issue to the scenario where a player is known to be gay and cops a whole lot of abuse because of that (which would be more akin to your racist comparison).

    • Kerryn says:

      08:02am | 29/08/12

      Just an interesting aside - I’m a bisexual woman working with a bunch of blokes in their 40’s and over, and I’ve never been discriminated against, however their comments about gay men are just…yeah.  Is it more acceptable to be a gay/bi woman than a gay/bi man?  Why?

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      08:26am | 29/08/12

      I would say because most men find the idea of two women together hot and sexy, and two men together freaks them out.

      The missus is into slash fanfiction and yaoi, so I’m kinda desensitised to seeing two blokes together. Men don’t seem to realise that a lot of women find two guys together hot too!

    • Amber says:

      08:48am | 29/08/12

      As disgusting as it is, yes. I have some friends (in their 30s) who are fine with lesbians or bi women, but not gay or bi men. Why? Because of the sexual act, that it is that assumed all men of that persuasion, act in. I think that’s a crock personally. The amount of my female friends that have or have tried to engage in that specific sex act is large.

      Some men also have a fear of being hit on by a bloke and that somehow a knowing man is gay automatically means he is going to try something on them. When I was in high school an openly gay guy was absentmindedly chewing on the end of his pen and coincidentally looked at straight guy, he was bashed because of the straight guys insecurities about the situation

    • Scotchfinger says:

      09:42am | 29/08/12

      Amber, if a gay guy hits on me I take it as flattery. But you are right, men find the idea of sex between two women wonderful, whereas sex between two men, less so. Also, porn culture hasn’t been kind to gay men, presenting them as handlebar-moustache stereotypes whereas actually most gay men are difficult to tell apart from heterosexual men.

      PS why would women want to engage in ‘that act’? Ouch.

    • gobsmack says:

      12:30pm | 29/08/12

      @Scotchfinger
      “..presenting them as handlebar-moustache stereotypes..”.

      That wasn’t gay porn you were watching, it was “Howzat”.

      Gay porn has moved on since the 1980s.

    • Kerryn says:

      01:08pm | 29/08/12

      @Amber I bet that same bloke wouldn’t have taken “No” from a female, and if a female hit on him, he wouldn’t have bashed her.

      Slight double-standard maybe?

    • Bobomb says:

      03:58pm | 29/08/12

      Only if the chicks are hot, otherwise it is equally disgusting!

    • M says:

      08:05am | 29/08/12

      When are we going to make it not ok to publicly slur striaght blokes?

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      08:31am | 29/08/12

      OK, this is laughable. I have never, ever being abused soley for the fact that I’m straight.

      “YOU BLOODY HETERO! THAT’S DISGUSTING! I don’t care what you do in private, just don’t kiss girls right in front of me and shove your straightness down my throat! EWWWWWWWWW, gross!!” said nobody ever.

    • M says:

      09:08am | 29/08/12

      I just don’t see it as that big an issue.

      Sticks and stones, man up and all that.

    • Sancho says:

      09:27am | 29/08/12

      LOL.  It’s up there with the persecution fantasies of white middle class Christians.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      09:44am | 29/08/12

      I was slurred when I hit on a bloke’s girlfriend. Is this the same thing?

    • AdamC says:

      12:00pm | 29/08/12

      Maybe the problem is that there aren’t enough mean slurs for straight white men?

    • Hamish says:

      04:11pm | 29/08/12

      What about the term ‘breeders’? Is that a hetero slur? I find it funny.

    • Suzanne says:

      08:10am | 29/08/12

      My teenage girls play AFL and love it.  It is their favourite sport.

    • bullwinkle says:

      08:52am | 29/08/12

      Actually, Suzanne, your girls play Aussie Rules. The AFL is the peak competition, not the game itself (although try convincing Andrew Demetriou of that).

    • Matthew says:

      12:50pm | 29/08/12

      bullwinkle, “Aussie Rules” has always been a slang term to me, along with Aerial Ping Pong and the like…  Since there is only 1 league in the world (similar to NFL) then it is synonymous with the game.

      I think you’ll find the correct term to refer to it is simply “Football” or “Australian Football” (to distinguish it from the other similar sports that are also called Football).

    • I hate pies says:

      03:01pm | 29/08/12

      “aerial ping pong”...wowee, that’s original. Good one

    • Billy the Convict says:

      08:18am | 29/08/12

      I play for the Bingham Cup champion Sydney Convicts as one of the few straight guys on a gay rugby team.

      In my seven years with the club, I have found that most of the teams we play don’t care in the slightest about the sexual orientation of me or my teammates.  If they do harbour any stereotypes about gay athletes being weak or effeminate, they tend to come crashing down right after the kickoff once the first hit is made.

      In fact, it was years before I first heard a homophobic slur during a match, and ironically, it was directed at me and another straight guy.

      He couldn’t even be an accurate bigot.

    • Sancho says:

      09:29am | 29/08/12

      The same thing happened when the US Army was surveyed for opinions on gay soldiers.

      The replies were less “kill the fags” and more “don’t care as long as they shoot straight”.

    • Markus says:

      11:06am | 29/08/12

      @Billy, perhaps he was being ironic?

    • Billy the Convict says:

      11:37am | 29/08/12

      @Markus My irony detector didn’t go off, but then again it may have malfunctioned when the guy screamed “you f**kin’ fag” in my face.

      Not a lot of irony there I think.

    • Eskimo says:

      08:32am | 29/08/12

      Can you say no to a phobia? Would you try to say no to claustrophobia (fear of closed spaces), agoraphobia (open spaces) or acrophobia (heights)? If someone was truly homophobic, isn’t that a mental health issue? Can a person really be criticized for that?

      Aren’t we really saying no to bigotry based on sexual preference?

    • Sancho says:

      09:35am | 29/08/12

      To my knowledge there’s no research showing that claustrophobics are strongly attracted to enclosed spaces but lash out at them to preserve their own sense of identity and social acceptance.

    • Anonymous says:

      09:51am | 29/08/12

      Phobias are described as irrational fears. The phobias you mentioned don’t cause harm to other people. Homophobia does. NEXT!

    • Markus says:

      11:09am | 29/08/12

      @Anonymous, homophobia does not cause harm, violence and discrimination do.
      If someone is homophobic, but does not go out of their way to insult, assault or discriminate against homosexuals, merely just avoids them where they see possible to avoid anxiety attacks, who is being harmed?

    • Anonymous says:

      11:45am | 29/08/12

      If you harbour fear towards homosexuals, even if you’re not directly causing them harm, living by your irrational fear, letting things be and doing nothing to suppress anti-gay attitudes in society makes you an enabler.

    • Shersie says:

      01:57pm | 29/08/12

      I think it was Morgan Freeman on twitter that tweeted “Homophobia is not a word, you dont have a phobia, you are just an asshole”

    • Michael S says:

      08:32am | 29/08/12

      I wouldn’t be surprised if there are gay AFL players. But they’d be reluctant to come out - not so much because of a fear of homophobia but because they want to be defined as a footballer rather than a gay footballer.
      As Anthony mentioned in the article, the campaign against homophobia doesn’t have a public face. I would guess that gay AFL players don’t want to be a public face, they just want to play footy.
      They wouldn’t want to have their sexual preference mentioned in every interview they did. Every time there’s a homophobic bashing in the streets, or a gay pride march; let’s get the gay footballer to do some media. Forget that - a gay player would probably rather do interviews about next weekend’s games and be judged by the same standards as their team-mates.

    • The Village Idiot (Reformed) says:

      09:28am | 29/08/12

      You are correct. You don’t hear heterosexual AFL blokes bragging about bonking 6 women in one night. They keep that aspect of their sexuality in the closet (mmmmm bedroom) where it belongs.

    • scott says:

      09:33am | 29/08/12

      I would wager everything that I own that Lenny Hayes is gay.  He is constantly frequenting the gay bars around the Prahran area.

    • mark says:

      09:43am | 29/08/12

      spot on michael, why should we as humans be defined by who we sleep with? the point of this campaign should be the stamping out of homophobic sledging, and the face of the campaign should be the first player suspended for it. we should pressure anyone to come out and beat their chests about their private lives, WAG nation is proof of this.

    • JoniM says:

      11:14am | 29/08/12

      Spot on Michael !
      This is the Akermanis position ! The sportsman’s position ! Whether straight or gay ! Only “non-sports” people think this is a wrong position !
      And all the codes simply pay lip service and bow to the the great god of political correctness foisted upon them by the non-sporty types, the naval gazers and whale watchers !
      What has one’s sexual predilection got to do with playing team footy ? Of any code ?
      How can “coming out” enhance your team harmony and your team’s chance to win the flag ?
      If you want to go hand wringing about wanting more justice and equality for gay folk, keep your campaigning away from sport !
      It does nothing beneficial for either endeavour ! IMHO !

      The only reason Ian Roberts came out as the gay pioneer in Rugby League, is because he was built like a brick outhouse, could bench press 3 cars,  could hit like Joe Frazier and the mess he made of Gary Jack’s face is what earned him the respect for his gayness !
      Lets not get carried away that his preaching of the good gay word had anything to do with his acceptance in the sport !

    • Tom says:

      12:28pm | 29/08/12

      There arent any because AFL is a mans game.  The shirt lifters are all playing soccer - you can see the behaviour on display every time someone scores a goal in soccer.

    • Your name: John Wilson says:

      01:17pm | 29/08/12

      I’ll bite Tom. So you think it more likely that a homosexual male would gravitate to a sport where the physical contact with other men is quite minimal, rather than a sport where he would get to tackle these fit young men in tight clothing and roll around on the ground with them?

    • Jasmine says:

      01:36pm | 29/08/12

      And he’d have the added status of being a “gay icon” and poster boy, plastered all over gay websites and magazines. Great for his career….

      There are a couple of known AFL gay guys, but I didn’t know Harry was one until Milney pointed it out grin. I suppose if he wasn’t, he wouldn’t have got so upset about being it and complained.

    • Ben C says:

      02:05pm | 29/08/12

      @ Jasmine

      I think Harry O is still with Fuzzy from Video Hits?

      “I suppose if he wasn’t, he wouldn’t have got so upset about being it and complained.”

      Harry O didn’t complain about it at all, he was happy to let the slur slide - he’s even admitted to making similar slurs in the past. It was just “unfortunate” for Milne that the umpire was standing a couple of metres away from him, and the umpire took action without Harry O saying a word.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      03:29pm | 29/08/12

      The Village Idiot (Reformed) says: ‘you don’t hear heterosexual AFL blokes bragging about bonking 6 women in one night.’ Why would they? The entire team is in the cheap motel room with them! One big family, right?

    • Anonymous says:

      09:14am | 29/08/12

      A field of dozens of muscular, sweaty men in revealing outfits running into each other, grappling and pinning other sweaty men to the ground is pretty homoerotic. JUST SAYING.

    • bael says:

      01:34pm | 29/08/12

      I know some of the gay bars in melbourne have regular afl fan nights that combine the hard core footy fans with hard fans.

    • The Village Idiot (Reformed) says:

      09:22am | 29/08/12

      When are we going to see people charged for racial vilification against whites in this country? For slander against heterosexuals? For sexism against males? Why is it only minorities are entitled to feel oppressed?

      PS:  If any gay AFL player does ‘come out’ - can a be a bit better looking than Ian Roberts of Manly NRL fame. I hope he has blue eyes, blond hair, 6 pack abs, great pecs, no tatts and wears tight footy shorts !!!!!!

    • Kerryn says:

      10:39am | 29/08/12

      You just described my favourite footy player - if he comes out I’m coming after you! tongue laugh

      (After I’ve finished crying)

    • Devils Advocate says:

      09:30am | 29/08/12

      Homophobia - Worst. Word. Ever.

      Apparently if you don’t like something, you’re automatically afraid of it? I’m sorry, but that’s just stupid. I don’t particularly care for eggplant, that doesn’t mean I have an irrational fear of eggplants or makes me an Auberphobe, it just means I don’t like them. No-one, anywhere, at any time, ever has been required to ‘like’ everything.

      We need a new word.

      For the record - gay/straight, whatever.

    • Dash says:

      09:36am | 29/08/12

      I played for a free kick and got it. 35mtrs out directly in front. The opposition captain stood the mark as I was coming into goal and screamed “I’m going to farkin kill you the next time you go near the ball you farkin little poofter c….nt”. I just kicked the goal and wished the fat f..ck luck trying to catch me!

      I played Australian Rules football at senior level for over a decade. I got called that and a lot more and a lot worse a lot! I know we should not tollerate it. But I find it hard to believe that there are many footballers out there that would take offense to be honest. Most guys playing at that level already have quite a thick skin. What happens on the field stays on the field.

      We should not be teaching our kids to behave that way. And we should puinish those that do it. But there will always be someone on the field trying to rip into them when they play. I prefer my two boys to learn how to deal with it. Life is not always fair. Strength of character means you are able to brush these things off if they happen. Maintain your own standards and laugh off the silly insults that are aimed at putting you off your game.

      Does this have more to do with AFL PR than the feelings of footballers.

    • I hate pies says:

      10:16am | 29/08/12

      Well put Dash. I’d suspect that nothing would have come of Milne’s “slur” if the umpire hadn’t have heard it.
      I have to agree with what Aker said as well - when there’s a gay man in the room, like it or not, there is a level of sexuality in there that otherwise wouldn’t be there. It’s exactly the same as if a woman was on the team - it’s not that they dislike gay men or women, it’s just that the ambience has changed. It’s exactly the same as if a man played on a netball team and they all changed in the same room; it changes the dynamic. I’m not saying that gay men shouldn’t play footy; but that fact should be recognised. It’s not homophobic, it’s just true.

    • Laura says:

      11:31am | 29/08/12

      Pies,
      I am a female involved in the local club as a trainer. There is no sexuality involved with me being in the changerooms. I am there to do my job and they are there to do thiers. The only time I feel uncomfortable is when there is an underager getting changed, but they don’t seem to mind.

      I had a friend though who is gay and was doing a massage course, I thought it would be a great asset to get him to come on training nights and saturdays and do some rub downs. Being completely non homophobic that it didn’t even occur to me it might be an issue, he actually bought it up. I checked with a few of the boys and pretty much got a 50/50 response with half ok about it and half said they wouldn’t use him.

    • I hate pies says:

      12:00pm | 29/08/12

      Laura, do they walk around nude in front of you? Actually, they probably do, because you’re a trainer, which is different. This weekend, observe their behaviour once wives and girlfriends come in the rooms after the match.

    • Dash says:

      12:56pm | 29/08/12

      We had three of our physios at the club who were young women straight out of uni. First training, the boys were aware of them and careful. But by the first game we were all walking around in the nude before and after games in front of them. It was really no big deal. In the end, we just acted like we always did in the changerooms and they didn’t seem to care. There is so much going on in terms of routine, strapping, massage, planning etc that the last thing we were thinking about was modesty.

      But more to the point, they were all very good physios. They were trained, knew what they were doing, and looked after our injuries and recovery. As Laura says, they did their job and we tried to do ours.

    • Laura says:

      01:40pm | 29/08/12

      We are a small country club with one large change room and do not have the luxury of seperate trainers rooms. So yes they walk around naked. I think some of them might secretly it enjoy i as they seem to stay naked alot more than required, lol.

      What is the difference between them being naked in front of me as a trainer with a job to do and them being naked in front of a gay trainer or player with a job to do. Is it the fact that some of them might also secretly enjoy it then as well?

    • I hate pies says:

      03:04pm | 29/08/12

      Yes, they do. You’ll find its usually the blokes with large appendages, if you know what I mean!

    • wearestardust says:

      10:02am | 29/08/12

      Yes it would be good if some gay AFL players were ‘out’ to help humanise them and make the point that non-heterosexual people are not abstracts but real people like the rest of us.

      But here’s a thought.

      Homophobia is not a non-heterosexual problem, it is a human problem.  And it is the responsibility of everyone.

      What would be just as good or maybe even better than having some ‘out’ gay AFL players would be to have clear and unambiguous opposition to homophobia from some straight players - like David Pocock has done for rugby.

    • Faith says:

      11:42am | 29/08/12

      I would love to see some open honest Christians “come out” too. See how tolerant ppl are of them.
      In the meanwhile lets keep having a cry over stupid name calling. They are supposed to be grown ups playing a sport at the highest level in Australia. Sticks and stone anyone??

    • SydneyGirl says:

      12:13pm | 29/08/12

      Open honest Christians are forced to come out now and then. They are called Republicans caught in gay scandals.

    • JoniM says:

      01:19pm | 29/08/12

      Rubbish !
      David Pocock should concentrate on his below par football performances, rather than crusading for his gay mates !
      It is obviously effecting his own performance as Australian Rugby captain, and have a look at the harmony he has got going in that team ! NOT !
      Sexuality politics has no place in sport !

    • wearestardust says:

      01:35pm | 29/08/12

      I maybe should add that David Pocock is a Christian and when he talks about opposing homophobia he does it from the perspective of his Christian ethics.

      There are certainly plenty of Christian haters and hypocrites (for a laugh, google the origin and meaning of the term “wide stance”) but there are plenty of Christians who support justice and equality, and many who on top of that are also gay.  I am straight and an atheist, but I have recently been involved in setting up two LGBTI-related organisations (one of which was a PFLAG branch) and the presidents of both those organisations are believing Christians.

      Unfortunately it’s the bad guys who get the press which gives a rather inaccurate picture of the views of people of faith and the community more generally on sexuality issues.

    • Aaron says:

      10:39am | 29/08/12

      Why does it have to be a gay player? Why can’t it just be any player who thinks people should be treated equally. Surely their voice will be heard louder by the homophobes?
      Ben Cohen (UK rugby union player) is a great example of a straight sportsperson standing up for equality.

    • Markus says:

      10:53am | 29/08/12

      Assuming that there absolutely has to be a ‘face’ for this campaign, why do they have to be gay?

      Would it not be just as effective, if not more effective, if the player/s were not homosexual, just people who have taken the stance that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable?

    • Biggles says:

      11:10am | 29/08/12

      Your use of statistics is very ordinary as I am sure that gay men might just be over represented in other fields ie. hair dressers, dancers, actors, designers and journos etc. and under represented in others ie footballers, tradies, cricketers etc.  Surely it is only a slur if it is untrue.

    • David Farrell says:

      11:22am | 29/08/12

      It’s such a touchy subject, I’m not saying anything.

    • Du says:

      11:24am | 29/08/12

      many years ago I had to send a parcel by rail to Carlton VictoriaThe official in the parcel office did’t know where Carlton is,so he asked his mate.You know: where they play that ballet football the friend replied.

    • Steve says:

      11:32am | 29/08/12

      Where do they get these figures from? 1 in 10 is gay? Of all the men I’ve known in my life I think even 1 in 100 would be a pretty generous figure. If it weren’t for the fact I DJed a gay night club for a while I doubt I’d know more than a few gay men because I certainly haven’t known many from elsewhere. I really doubt these 1 in 10 figures I keep on seeing. Either an awful lot of men are secretly gay, I’m mixing with an abnormally hetero crowd or these figures are hugely inflated.

    • Mitch says:

      11:33am | 29/08/12

      LOL at dovif that said that the leage has higher attendances than the AFL. The attendances of the AFL are double that of the NRL. DOUBLE. Tuned into an NRL game the other day and it appears that they are still sitting on picnic rugs on grass hills !!! Oh, and if Vic, SA, WA, QLD & NSW is classified as a “corner of Australia”, i have been looking at the wrong map all my life…

    • Ricardo Jones says:

      11:37am | 29/08/12

      Yes, there are gay players. Do you guys not remember the St Kilda photo scandal? There were a bunch of guys who stayed in the same hotel room and took photos of each other pleasuring themselves. That’s not exactly straight behaviour.

      However, is it an AFL issue or a societal issue that these guys feel the need to carry on the obvious charade? Clearly, they have homosexual tendencies (maybe they are bisexual). Why is it that they feel the need to cover-up and hide from who they really are? I would argue it’s not because they don’t have a gay role model playing AFL, but most likely because society still deems homosexuality to be abnormal and abhorrent behaviour.

      Look at the hysteria around gay marriage. Loads of Australian’s still have a problem with homosexual people, an AFL campaign will not change that.

      To be honest the AFL with its media propaganda arm, its control of governmental finances, its self-determined attitude that it will be all things to all people and the belief that it can inflict societal change is all a bit Pravda.

      This is all propaganda. The AFL have taken a stance against abuse on women, however, you still hear of women being abused by AFL players. They have taken a stand against racism, has that issue gone away in AFL? No. They have taken a stand against drugs, yet we still hear of players getting high. They have even launched a program called AFL Diversity to show how diverse their game is, yet they list some players as having parents from Yugoslavia. Were their parents born before 1918 or after 1991?

      Yes, this campaign feels good, it warms the cockles and allows Mummy and Daddy to convince themselves that they are getting their son into a game of tolerance and understanding, however, if you dig a little deeper you will find no substance, no change and no greater human beings playing Aussie rules compared to any other sport.

      Sport mirrors society, it does not change it. This new stance is a long awaited policy, which has been determined by what is already deemed acceptable behaviour in most work places already. That hardly makes the AFL leaders, in fact you could argue it’s taken them too long to follow.

    • Chucker says:

      11:41am | 29/08/12

      Ian Roberts was a fine footballer - won premierships, represented his state and country with courage and honour, but will be remembered as the ” gay NRL footballer”. His accomplishments are overlooked because of his sexual preferences . Even this article highlights the problem and explains why no one will come forward - instead of being the footballer, who coincidentally was gay,  the player will become the gay guy who played AFL football

    • David Johnson says:

      12:27pm | 29/08/12

      Seriously? “Let’s say it’s only five per cent. That’s still at least two players at every club”

      In actuality, the % of the population that genuinely identify as homosexual is more like 1% - 2%, which would only equate to about a 8-16 players across than 800 you quoted.

      (This can be somewhat backed up by the latest 2011 ABS Census, which allowed people to respond as to whether they were in a gay relationship or not. The result ... only about 30,000 couples across the WHOLE country.)

      Secondly, of the 800 ‘professional AFL players’ in the country, there’d only be about 400 that would be readily recognisable by the majority of the community (i.e.: starting 22 players per club). So on that, the 1% - 2% brings our genuine number of gay representatives down to about 4-8 players.

      And finally, of those 4-8 players, how may of them would be genuine representatives for anti-gay slurs (i.e.: medium to high profile players that are somewhat recognisable by the wider community)?

    • bael says:

      02:57pm | 29/08/12

      Those ABS stats were about how many people self identified as being in a gay relationship.
      Not if you like to blow and go, not if you are in the closest, not if you are gay and single, not if you are bi etc etc.
      Not a stat that really tells you how many gay are in the closest let alone how many are occassionally in the bed

    • gobsmack says:

      12:41pm | 29/08/12

      I am reminded of the Glen McGrath incident in the West Indies.

      The full story was that Glen asked one of the Windies batsman what it felt like to be f@#ked by Richie Richardson (I think that was the player mentioned).

      The Windies batsman’s retort was “I don’t know, why don’t you ask your wife”.

      Of course, at the time Glen’s wife was receiving treatment for cancer and he threw a tizzy.  At the time the batsman was reported as being the culprit when really all he’d done was fire back a witty reply to a nasty remark.

    • Dash says:

      01:18pm | 29/08/12

      There was also the McGrath incident where he asked a batsman:

      “Why are you so fat”

      And the batsman replied: “Because every time I boof your missus, she gives me a cookie”.

      Or Rodney Marsh to Ian Botham as he walked to the wicket:

      “Hey Ian, how’s your wife and my kids”

      To which Botham replied:

      “The wifes good, but the kids are retarded”

    • Simon says:

      01:37pm | 29/08/12

      Why is it that every AFL article descends into a code war? 

      When are rugby league fans going to get over their insecurities?  Grow up.

    • Bill says:

      02:32pm | 29/08/12

      I don’t know why the rugby brigade ALWAYS get their knickers in a knot when they see an article about Australian footy. Is it because their code is second rate, played in front of empty stadiums and has zero national appeal? Is it because the players have no skill, talent or ability, and can’t do anything except run in a straight line and bounce off their opponent? Is it because their game is so family-unfriendly? Or is it because it is slowly dying while Aussie Rules is rapidly expanding?

      Whatever. I just laugh when the usual suspects try to compare their silly, unpopular game to our national code!

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      03:03pm | 29/08/12

      Bill, part of me loves your attitude, but seriously, give it a rest mate. AFL is the most popular winter code, just, bv a very small margin, when you take into account TV attendances and crowds. Club membership is not a valid comparison, as this has never been a tradition in rugby league.

      You like your code. So do I, by the way. I also like the NRL, as do millions of Australians. End of story

    • AndrewS says:

      03:30pm | 29/08/12

      Growing up in Sydney and only knowing NRL must be akin to having been circumcised as a child - you don’t know any different, and you get your knickers in a knot when someone says uncut is better.

    • Bill says:

      03:33pm | 29/08/12

      Hey Sharwood - don’t tell me to ‘give it a rest’. I didn’t start this whole code war. I merely wrote a comment saying that it was great that the AFL was doing something to combat homophobia, then suddenly all the rugby fanboys started writing that their code is more popular (???) than Australian football. If they want an argument, they’ll get one.

      As for your comment that “AFL is the most popular winter code, just, bv (sic) a very small margin”, I’d like to know how having 7 million people attend AFL games compared to 3.5 million going to the NRL is just “a very small margin”. I’d like to know how the difference between 650,000 AFL members and 170,000 NRL members (2011 figures) is just a “very small margin”.

      As for those lies about TV ratings that a certain puncher keeps posting, the fact is that the AFL has always outrated the NRL. Just google ‘AFL NRL TV ratings 2011’ for proof.

      As long as the NRL followers on this site keep knocking the national game, I’ll continue to defend it. Do you have a problem with that?

    • Levi of Bris says:

      05:26pm | 29/08/12

      Sorry Bill we’ve been over it a million times and i’m pretty sure everyones come to the conclusion that NRL garners higher TV ratings than AFL and has done so since 2009. Just go back through some old punch articles that you’ve commented on and the links are there for all to see.

      I have to laugh when you say a code with “zero national appeal” actually outrates your precious southern fairy game. I second sharwoods comments regarding memberships. NRL supporters couldnt give a crap about memberships, what does it prove?

      And of course more people will PLAY AFL because it is all round softer and less demanding of skill, athleticism and toughness.

      I love how you try to claim this stance from the AFL as some sort of flagship for recognising gays in sport. Almost everytime I get into one of these AFL/NRL slanging matches, aside from the usual John Hopoate and one bloke shoving two blokes heads up three blokes arses comments (hmm homophobic much yet??), then comes the jokes about Ian Roberts and how homosexuals must love Rugby League. AFL supporters really are a tolerant bunch hey…

      You are a misinformed in almost every comment you post on the punch Bill. The fact you don’t even know the difference between League and Union makes any of your opinions regarding the matter null.

      League wins on TV, AFL wins on crowds. Everybody knows that except you mate. Hey and if the Rugby codes are so simple and unpopular, I’m wondering why they are both played internationally (especially union) and enjoyed by throngs of fans around the globe, but AFL is still languishing in the Australian states nobody cares about (Yes you WA, NT, SA, TAS….do i dare mention VIC? haha)

      Union has a little thing called the World Cup. Even League manages to play a regular and competetive four nations series. What does AFL do Bill?

    • Tim says:

      06:12pm | 29/08/12

      Bill,
      Yep you would be the puncher who keeps telling lies about tv ratings by selectively chosing the 5 city figure instead of the national one.

      Makes it a lot easier for you when you ignore the millions of people in regional NSW and QLD, the very heart of Rugby League territory, and concentrate on your 3 AFL cities doesnt it?

      Not many people here are hating on AFL, we’re hating on delusionals who keep talking about a game most of the country couldn’t give a rats arse about as the ‘national game’.

      I know it must be hard to realise that no one outside of a couple of Australian states likes your game. You simply suffer from a larger form of small man’s syndrome.

    • TiimB says:

      07:29pm | 29/08/12

      ‘As long as the NRL followers on this site keep knocking the national game’

      AFL is not a national game. You have provided no evidence to show that it is a national game. Being more popular than something else (debatable), does not qualify a sport as a national game.

      You know this. You are trolling as you always do. Deliberately. Do not play the victim when you aren’t.

    • Freddykaboodle says:

      02:34pm | 29/08/12

      I like, AFL, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Soccer, Netball, Heterosexual people, Homosexual people etc etc….and thats the whole point. Why cant you people ‘LIVE & LET LIVE ’ What I would really like to see is all the sporting codes come out and say NO BIGOTS, unfortunately attendance would drop by about 80%, then there would no advertising of useless products we dont need!!!!! I worry about the world we have created.

    • eRon says:

      04:09pm | 29/08/12

      Since when has it become important to know whether a bloke likes sex with other blokes, in order to play football.
      This is seriously fu#*&d up.

    • Paul says:

      04:49pm | 29/08/12

      Hatred of homosexuals was rife and standard when I was growing up in the suburbs in the 70s.  I was small and not very coordinated, and therefore no good at football.  Difficult when your father was the club president and your grandfather had played for Carlton!  I was picked on, abused, beaten, spat on etc, both for being useless at the game, and also suspected of being a poofter.  As everyone got older the degree of nastiness increased.  This was totally ignored by the coaches and other adults, it was encouraged by some.  My father was ashamed of me, sided with the persecutors, and this led to a difficult lifelong relationship with him.  I have hideous memories of this and have shied away from team sport ever since.  I am gay, but not effeminate, just not interested or any good at team sport.  I was good at school and ended up becoming a doctor, but these achievements did not compensate for my sexuality and still ended up with family rejection.  If adult professional AFL players are still using anti-gay insults, this sort of thing must still be rife at the junior level and upwards, otherwise where do they learn it?  For those of you who say this sort of behaviour doesn’t hurt or damage people, try being on the receiving end of it for your entire life.

    • Ricardo Jones says:

      06:47pm | 29/08/12

      Sorry to hear about your experience Paul.

      People are cruel.

      I’m glad you’ve done well for yourself.

 

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