Running for Governor of Arkansas in 1982, Bill Clinton had some folksy words to reassure voters he had learned from the mistakes of his disastrous first term which had seen him booted out after only two years.


Captain And Tenille - Do That To Me One More Time by rrp1222


“When I was a boy growing up,’’ Clinton said, ”my daddy never had to whip me twice for the same thing.’‘

If only one could be sure the same were true of some of the current crop federal Liberal MPs. But alas when it comes to industrial relations - their party’s Achilles’ heel - some of them want to make Captain & Tennille’s “Do That To Me One More Time’’ this year’s campaign song.

A song which older readers will remember advises that “once is never enough’‘.

On Wednesday The Australian reported that Tony Abbott “is being urged by his allies to commit to major workplace reform and encourage the use of individual agreements’‘.

On first reading I assumed this must be a typo and the sentence was meant to be Abbott “is being urged by his enemies’’ to encourage the use of individual agreements.

Because it is safe to say nothing would lift the spirits of Labor folk across the nation more than the news that Abbott has a plan to revive WorkChoices.

ALP strategists have been looking to find a way to get industrial relations into the forefront of voters’ minds because their focus groups show it is one of the few issues they have going for them in suburban marginal seats.

Indeed one Labor official said to me this week he thinks it is the only thing going for them at the moment and that making it an election issue will be the difference between winning and losing several seats in Western Sydney and McEwen in Victoria.

Liberal strategists say the issue comes up - unprompted - as a negative in their focus groups too.

The only urger named in the Oz was Kooyong’s “rising” MP Josh Frydenberg who had written a piece for that newspaper outlining his thoughts on IR policy.

Frydenberg is a keen op-ed writer, recently praised by Tony Abbott in front of his fellow MPs for his success-rate getting pieces into newspapers…

Outings lately have included an attack on Australia’s abstention in the UN vote to admit Palestine, an attack on the Asian Century White Paper, a call for closer relations with India and a paean to the shale gas industry. All harmless and wholesome subjects for a backbencher.

And then out of nowhere on Wednesday, came this: “Now is the opportunity for the Coalition to go on the front foot and put forward proposals that make unfair dismissal laws less of a burden on small business, lead to individual flexibility arrangements in the Fair Work Act becoming more attractive to employers and employees, and put the brakes on coercive union power beyond reinstating the ABCC and making unions more accountable through reforms to their governance arrangements.”

Plenty of stuff for the Labor Party to get its teeth into there I’d have thought. It would be very easy to argue for instance that Frydenberg is urging Abbott to make it easier to sack the 47 per cent of the workplace that works in a small business; encouraging bosses to put workers on contracts; curtailing workers’ right to strike and interfering in the internal workings of unions.

On Thursday I rang him to ask what the response had been to his piece. It had been overwhelming positive he said. On the subject of IR, it seems the Liberals are like the Bourbons, of whom it was said “they have learned nothing and forgotten nothing”.

One would have thought that the searing experience of losing government in the middle of a boom would be enough to convince all of them to cool it with the union-bashing staff.

Especially as the public is on the verge of giving the ALP its biggest belting since 1975.

But apparently not. There is no doubt however Abbott has got the message. In my opinion his decision during the last election to endorse Labor’s new IR regime was one of the reasons why he came so close to winning.

Two years later this no doubt that there are problems with that regime - not least the incentives it provides for employers to resort to lockouts.

But despite their complaints about the new IR regime employers are not lining up to attack Abbott for his seemingly lack of interest in reforming it.

Those of them that are desperate to see the back of Julia Gillard and her Government have apparently made the judgment that getting rid of her is more important than securing a series of promises from Tony Abbott on IR that he won’t be able to honour if he loses - especially as the chances of the Government controlling the Senate after the next election are not high.

It’s a pity that some of Abbott’s own MPs can’t see the logic of biting their tongues. Unlike Bill Clinton they don’t seem to have learned how not to get whipped for the same thing twice.

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    • nihonin says:

      06:59am | 13/01/13

      James Campbell, if I remember my political history correctly, wasn’t Tony Abbott pretty much the only Liberal Minister in the Howard Government, who actually opposed Work Choices or the parts of it he felt were too extreme or would disadvantage some people.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I’m fairly sure I’m correct here.

      ‘ALP strategists have been looking to find a way to get industrial relations into the forefront of voters’ minds because their focus groups show it is one of the few issues they have going for them in suburban marginal seats.’

      So the ALP admit they have failed as government and all the policies they were to take to the election are actually turkey’s and so won’t be announcing any.  All they have to offer is a union backed Work Choices scare campaign circa 2007.  Hate to say it, but I’m truly not surprised, will Julia Gillard do an Anna Bligh and beg that her party not be ‘thumped’ too hard for its incompetence (true or not, it does exist), as this sounds like the type of electioneering we’re going to be hearing.

    • Walshy says:

      09:59am | 13/01/13

      @n no Tony has shown little if any courage or imagination, or more importantly empathy, in departing from his mentors (Howards)  general opinions. Tony like Julia, has not told us how the disadvantaged like low paid women sectors , the disabled, the over 50s, the jobs/sectors that are being exported overseas or robotised at rising levels etc etc will have any future or hope. While Labor and the ‘Conservatives’ continue their throwing-welfare -at -the middle-class and throwing welfare-at-coprporates (like mining) record breaking attempts we have witnessed over the last decade .

      A rich nation with a world class education system can do better than lazily restricting it’s high performance on lucking out on the mining boom and fracking farmers lands. I’m not even sure Gonski’s well intentioned education ideas will mean much if we don’t have leaders thinking about where we will be in 10-20 years.

      All I can see is Tony is trying to distract us away from any real policies or integrity so we might as just well laugh at his stunts and enjoy the show:

      http://stopthestunts.wordpress.com/page/4/

    • Joe says:

      02:30pm | 13/01/13

      Australia deserve new Abbott’s government as you had too good under Labor. Ask for it and you might get it.

    • fred says:

      07:15am | 13/01/13

      Work Choices back from the Dead, Buried and Cremated !!!

    • Christian Real says:

      09:52am | 13/01/13

      Fred
      Abbott has learnt the art of lying and deceit well from his mentor John Howard.
      Extracts from this story: “Let’s have the honest truth once and for all”, written by Alan Ramsey for The Sydney Morning Herald on August 18,2004.
      “He issued a four-sentence statement saying, “Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. it is completely off the political agenda in Australia.“later that day,confornted by a clamouring press pack,he compounded the lie.Asked if he’d left the door open for a GST”, Howard said: “No. There’s no way a GST will ever be part of our policy.”
      Then extracts from this story: “Now Abbott lies about lying,copies Howard’s Manildra.”, written by Margo Kingston on August 27,2003.
      “Tony Abbott is fighting for his political skin,but he still can’t lie straight in bed. Last night,he put out a statement suggesting he did not lie to the ABC, Why? You guessed it,he was only replying to the first part of the question! And, you mightn’t guess this,because offering to pay Terry Sharples legal expenses was not offering money!
      “He’s learnt from the master deceiver and has done a Manildra!”
      In Another Abbott story: “Liberal leader Tony Abbott accused of borrowing lines from speeches by US Presidents Richard Nixon and Barack Obama”, written by Simon Benson, from The Daily Telegraph on February 02,  2012 @ 12.00AM
      “Claiming his speech was all his own work,and not the labours of his staff,when asked if he thought it was a good speech,Mr Abbott replied: “well I wrote it,so I hope so.”
      “Not exactly,it appears.”

      “In outlining his vision of small government and greater individual freedoms as being principles of the Liberal party,Mr Abbott said:“At the heart of Labor’s failure is the assumption that bigger government and higher taxes are the answer to every problem.”
      “On February 2, 1973, Richard Nixon said: “At home,we must reject the mistaken notion…that even bigger government is the answer to every problem.”
      “Mr abbott then went on to channel conservative US shock jock Rush Limbaugh: “The government has completely failed to appreciate the iron law of economics that no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.”
      “Mr Limbaugh, on February 18, 1994: “No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.”
      “Apparently not concerned about crossing political divides, Mr Abbott also drew inspiration from Democrat president Barack Obama,quoting the same passage from Abraham Lincoln,as MR Obama used a week ago in his State of the Union address.”
      “The current leaders of the Labor party have failed to understand what Abraham Lincoln knew in the marrow of his bones,that government should do for people what they can’t do for themselves and no more,” Mr Abbott said.
      “Mr Obama on January 24: “I’m a Democrat, but I believe what the Republican Abraham Lincoln believed: That government should do for people only what they cannot do better by themselves,and no more.”
      And again, Mr Abbott:  The Coalition understands that Australia has to live within its means,in much the same way as families and businesses do.”
      “Mr Obama on July 2, 2011: “Government has to start living within its means,just like families do.

    • PJ says:

      12:38pm | 13/01/13

      In the dying hours of the last election campaign Dirty Labor invoked their usual style of negativity, fear, smears and lies.
      During one set of interviews the morning before voting commenced, Julia Gillard used the following scripted, negative lines:

      “Work Choices” - 30 times
      “risk” - 20 times
      “grocery tax” - 12 times

      For the 2013 Campaign we can expect to see:

      Lies: simply assert something about your opponent’s policies, or costings, without any basis in fact.

      Fake polling: Release “secret internal polling” in an effort to drive the media agenda.

      “Friday dumps”: Untrue “news” stories dropped into marginal seats on the day before the poll.

      Endless negativity: Claim you’re being positive but all you do is attack your opponent.

      Scare campaigns: Make up things about your opponent and his policies.

      Personal attacks: Relentlessly repeat that your opponent is a “risk”.

      I suspect Tony Abbott will respond by reiterating his usual positive message:

      ” The Coalition will end the waste, pay back the debt, stop the new taxes, stop the boats, and help families.”

    • Mattb says:

      05:03pm | 13/01/13

      ” The Coalition will end the waste, pay back the debt, stop the new taxes, stop the boats, and help families.”

      I normally don’t respond to rubbish from this blogger but couldn’t let this go.

      So what your saying PJ is that Abbott is going to take his one line wonders that the electorate rejected last time to the next election. Guess fools like you will vote for them again.

      ” The Coalition will end the waste”

      The latest from the IMF stated that the last coalition government in this country was the most wasteful spending government we’ve ever had. So that Fuc*s that argument.

      “pay back the debt”

      No public assets to flog off or mining boom this time round so not much chance of that anytime soon either

      “stop the new taxes”

      Pfft, he’s made a promise to implement a great big new tax on everything to fund his ludicrous maternity leave scheme. The last coalition government was the highest taxing government in Australian history.

      “stop the boats”

      What, with his “turn them back” policy that he’s to gutless to talk to the Indo government about, YEAH RIGHT!!

      “and help families.”

      What, with more middle class welfare??. That’s the last thing we need..

    • Christian Real says:

      05:04pm | 13/01/13

      PJ
      I must say that you have got a vivid imagination.
      The only lies,  smear campaigns,fear campaigns and negativity is being orchestrated by the Liberal/National Party Opposition.
      Could that be what the LNP brand really stands for Lies-No Policies?

    • Meh says:

      05:05pm | 13/01/13

      @pj

      yawn

    • Geronimo says:

      07:27am | 13/01/13

      Do not underestimate the Wacky Abbott, Uncle Boris and his protege have been ‘doing some very important things’ to seal The Abbott’s fate of late, not the least is the latter’s creation of Froggy Newman as Federal Labor’s Great Big four foot ass-et in Queensland.

    • I hate pies says:

      07:40am | 13/01/13

      Unfortunately, as soon as any coalition MP mentions workplace relations the Labor party will scream “Workchoices” at the top of their lungs. And, even worse, the media and gullible public will lap it up.
      We have absolutely no chance of having a constructive IR debate in this country, and therefore we have no chance of coming to a compromise where everyone is happy. This is a terrible shame. We could have an IR system that protected both employers and employees, which would promote business confidence, and which would lead to employment growth. Instead, we’ll get untruths designed to play on the fears of the uneducated.

    • toady says:

      09:44am | 13/01/13

      As long as the unions pull the strings of the ALP, we will never resolve IR issues in Australia, and jobs will keep heading offshore.  Pre-Rudd ALP, our staff were earning over $40 an hour, through base wages and bonuses when we hit sales targets.  Every day of every week we blitzed our sales targets, so these people were earning almost $1k for as little as 20 hours a week.  I’ve never, ever met someone who has complained about WorkChoices - it is a scare campaign designed by the unions to try and recover their power.  Now, since Labor took over and did away with WorkChoices, we cut back on staff, those left are back to $21 an hour, no bonuses and no shifts on weekends or public holidays. We work ourselves rather than pay penalty rates for those shifts, and we just close earlier when days are quiet.  The ALP sure knows how to decrease the flow of money through society.  They are not for the working man - the ALP are for the unions, or more accurately the union executives and ALP aspirants.  Of course, they will blame the five year old GFC for the shrinking pool of money.

    • Greg in Chengdu says:

      11:27am | 13/01/13

      @I hate pies, very well said. While Labor constantly accuse the Libs of negativity, (another word they have changed the meaning of, just like Mysoginy has had a meaning change negativity to the Laborites now means, just crtiticism)
      It is imposible for any Lib now to even mention IR without being accused of trying revive work choices.
      Mind you this back bencher, who mind you as a back bencher has very little say in policy should learn to keep his mouth shut as what he is doing is singing a tune that in his wealthy electorate of Kooyong would be well recieved by the high population of professionals and employers. However this is just one man and his views are not that of the liberal party as a whole or Tony Abbott who has proven with his actions of bipartisan support on Ir reforms to be against the disasterous work choices laws.
      And so he should be.
      Should the Libs try to reinstate it they will experience an exodus of support just like Labor has due to its laughable performance in power.
      But while Labor will continue to claim the Libs will bring it back what we should really be looking at is how much of workchoices did Labor actually get rid of?
      Not that much, Sure they watered it down a little but they kept many parts of it. Something they rightly guessed the community wouldnt notice.

    • SAm says:

      07:47am | 13/01/13

      biting your tongue and hoping to make changes after an election win is a sure fire way to make a 1 term government.
      Liberals just cant help but attack workers, if they win this year they’ll lose inn 2016

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      08:01am | 13/01/13

      So another false line of conversations by a former ALP staffer.

      The reason why the conversation of IR reform is not on the table is because employers are not hiring. With all the costs added by the ALP, employers are not in a position to worry about growing their businesses and so they are not bringing this useless governments pathetic IR regime. Employees are also not agitating for change because they know that they have no progress available and so they are being quiet about it.

      Nice to know that a government has stuffed employment up to such a level that everyone with a job is to scared to rock the boat. Only those employed in government associated projects are agitating. Hell the Grocon dispute was a washout and nobody gained a single thing. Remember that this government has a complete hold on the media and useless arguments are obvious, especially when they are so politically motivated.

      Real wages are down under this government, unemployment and those on disability (to hide the real unemployment) make up a huge percentage of government revenue and the failed immigration policies are also dragging our economy.

      My best paying job was under Workchoices, why would I fear its return.

    • Gregg says:

      08:32am | 13/01/13

      I reckon James, you need to remember about politics being a broad church as is regularly espoused by the LNP leaders, that meaning that there is always going to be a great diversity of individual views and it also needs to be remembered that it is not individuals who develop policies.

      The same can be said in part for Labor for who would have thought that Julia Gillard could individually develop policy for which she had a written agreement with Andrew Wilkie and then not have to reneg because of being rolled over.
      And in the opposite direction, Julia herself had a position on gay marriage not shared by all of the Labor party despite some yearning within state party membership and then you can see politicians espousing about living on the dole, something also not seen as too bright by many within the party and likewise with another canning volunteer firefighters.

      Yep individual views are often so rampant.

    • Terry2 says:

      03:37pm | 13/01/13

      Interesting to see just how far the Liberal Party ‘broad church’ has moved to the right under Abbott’s leadership, to the extent that the mere suggestion that Turnbull may make a better leader is considered a Labor conspiracy.

    • Ben says:

      05:19pm | 13/01/13

      @Terry2

      A Labor conspiracy? More like a Labor desperation tactic.

    • Zack says:

      08:41am | 13/01/13

      Work place reform and Labor’s view on it will be easily forgotten when we re-cap how their policies didn’t save PM Rudd from his job. Not to mention Mr Thompson’s work place protection from certain misgivings.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      08:45am | 13/01/13

      A large part of the the Howard Government’s thumping in 2007 occurred as a result of Workchoices. In particular the fact that Howard made no mention of it prior the 2004 election and then spent $120 million telling us how great it was by the use of a highly irritating advertising campaign.
      Workchoices itself, set the balance too much on the side of the employer, just as the unfair dismissal laws were set too much on the side of workers. The current regime is an improvement on both but could still be further improved upon.
      The challenge for Abbott & co is to come up with a policy of any description and not just in the area of industrial relations. Liberals on “The Punch” are fond of directing people to a web site which lists their specific policies on this and that but when do you ever hear any shadow ministers spruiking them? Question Time in the last week of Parliament for 2012, despite the raft of important legislation before the Parliament, consisted entirely of Julie Bishop asking about events that happened years ago. That she made an utter fool of herself when, after expecting Gillard to come up answers as to what she did twenty years before, was unable to remember the details of telephone conversations a week previous, served to underline the paucity of her argument.
      This sort of behaviour wasted the time of The House of Representatives and makes a mockery of the democratic rights of the voter.

    • Toady says:

      09:47am | 13/01/13

      Yeah, I agree.  Let the police do a thorough fraud investigation into Gillard and her boyfriend and his mate, then let them lay criminal charges if appropriate.  I would much prefer seeing Gillard in a courtroom answering charges, than not answering questions in parliament.

    • Christian Real says:

      11:35am | 13/01/13

      Toady
      Gillard has given several press confrences on this very issue and has answered the already answered the question satisfactory,she does not have to re-answer them in Parliament just to appease you Liberal mobs conspiracy theories and a smoking gun that does not exist and has never ever existed.
      Abbott and his extreme right wing conservatives should be removed from our parliament because they are not acting in the interest of our Country or people with their rantings,antics,mud-sling and continueous smear campaigns that they continually use to disrupt our Parliament which they employ to disguise that fact that they have not got any real policies or ideas .

    • Stained says:

      12:54pm | 13/01/13

      @Christian real, says “Gillard has given several press confrences on this very issue and has answered the already answered the question satisfactory,she does not have to re-answer them in Parliament just to appease you Liberal mobs conspiracy theories and a smoking gun that does not exist and has never ever existed.”

      If the answer was satisfactory what is wrong with her answering them in Parliament?  You know she would be out on her ear!!  Get “real”, and stop hiding behind her criminal skirt.  SLUSH, SLUSH, SLUSH THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER TO THE SCUM OF THIS MISADRIST PM.

    • LJ Dots says:

      01:38pm | 13/01/13

      @Christian Real, I know I shouldn’t, but it’s a lazy Sunday afternoon and I had to laugh at this. Had you considered how your comment to Toady would appear on the front page summary on The Punch site? 

      ‘Toady Gillard has given several press conferences on this very issue satisfactory ...... ‘

      Once I picked myself off the floor, ceased hyperventilating and then actually read your comment, I was relieved to learn you had not changed ‘teams’. :o)

    • Christine says:

      02:25pm | 13/01/13

      The problem remains Christian who decides whether or not the right questions were answered and whether or not the voting public are satisfied..  It is not up to you or me alone to decide that important issue just because a loyal labor supporter such as yourself says so.  Unfortunately, the PM left herself open to suspicion as to why she refused to answer questions in Parliament. If there is nothing to hide there is nothing to hide.  No big drama.  However, how many have been left with a poor taste in their mouth over this matter and is that something the ALP can afford. You may come up with what you think is a valid reason, but the broader community do not follow punch. So much of what is said here is unread, disregarded or a waste of time and energy. The picture remains in many minds why did she refuse to answer questions that she could probably have answered without any qualms.  Why make a big deal of it. Maybe she was offended or just plain fed up with the matter.  I am sure many of us were but the lasting impression remains of a PM who refused to answer questions in Parliament. Not good PR with an election coming up. These things simmer in the back of people’s minds and probably for no need. 

      Now as this article is about IR,  I would assume with changing times and workplace requirements, there will always be some need to refine IR policies, regardless of political persuasion.. Many jobs of yester decade have disappeared or almost. Technology does not seem to be retreating and it is always a good idea to review policies whether they relate to business or our own personal lives. 

      Surely from time to time in this great information age, there will always be a need to adjust our thinking on some issues. It would be a foolish party indeed or for that matter any person to lock themselves into the past just for the sake of it.  Scientific research is constantly opening up with new information or ideas.. e.g. Climate warming is now called climate change. (climate variability was short lived as a term) . Climate change is a fact of life and always has been as far as I can tell, but the exact cause of same has not been precisely proven. I recently read an article that suggested aerosols (now banned) use to provide some cloud cover against the sun?? .Sometimes chocolate is bad for you and then we are told it is good for us. Same goes with many foods and issues of life. Do we use butter or margarine?  Constant quoting from the past on what someone said at a particular time is mjisleading and useless particularly when it predates subsequent comment.

      We need to be open to change and if information becomes available that calls us to change our view on some issue, than it would be foolish to cling to the view we may have had previously.  Should the government have continued subsidising batts in the ceiling program afteri it became aware of the dangers of faulty installation?  I am not criticising the program, I live in NQ where it can be quite hot and I paid for my own insulation years ago.  I am just trying to say sometimes we don’t know the questions to ask before we realise there is a better way of addressing an issue then previously thought. Party policies need to change from time to time to address a changing environment. So why all the nonsense about what someone said or did years ago in relation to policy.  Where is the wisdom in clinging to oudated information.

    • John says:

      02:47pm | 13/01/13

      @Toady

      If you have an allegation to make, what is it ?

    • ramases says:

      05:07pm | 13/01/13

      The current regime is an improvement on both but could still be further improved upon. WTF. How can something that is ruining Australian business an improvement. wages have gone sky high but productivity has fallen to an all time low but then again this is the Union way isn’t it and by association the Labor way. How many businesses have gone to the wall since this Government took control. How much money has been wasted propping up GMH, Ford and Toyota and seeing it disappear into the workers pockets for less work. Its getting to the point where there will be no manufacturing industries in Australia because of the wage demands, Work Place health and Safety requirements and red tape, another promise broken by this incompetent Government.
      Look at the wages of the people who serve you a cup of coffee on a public holiday and try and tell me that’s justified and explain to me why small businesses are now closing over the public holidays to avoid the impost of ever increasing penalty rates for no extra.
        As for Gillard and her ‘being young and naive” what a joke 31 years old, a lawyer and we are supposed to believe that she didn’t know what was going on, give me a break. We are being played for fools by her and this Government and most thinking people realise this but there are always those who wear their rose, or is that red, coloured glasses and see no evil , hear no evil but speak it in volumes.

    • Christian Real says:

      05:28pm | 13/01/13

      John
      Liberals are eager to make allegations but they are not prepared to back them up, If Toady or any other of his Liberal team in these blogs have proof to back up their allegations then why don’t they present it right here,right now.
      Even the Deputy Leader of the Opposition has since back-pedalled away from the baseless allegations as fast as she can.
      Extract from this news story “Bishop bluster loses wind in an obvious absence of evidence.”,written by Lenore Taylor on November 28, 2012 @ 8.44AM
      “But by the day’s end the deputy Liberal leader was trying to make her own get - away from her defamatory and unproven allegations. No,she was not alleging that the Prime Minister had benefited personally from the fraud perpetrated by her then boyfriend. No, she was not even suggesting the Prime Minister had been a ‘Knowing party” to it.”
      Even the newspaper ‘The Australian Apologised”
      “Apology to the Prime Minister” The Australian August 23,2012 @ 10.05AM
      “An article in today’s The Australian reported that Prime Minister Julia Gillard had set up a trust fund for her then boyfriend 17 years ago.”
      “This is wrong.”
      “The Australian apologises for this error.”

    • Toady says:

      05:33pm | 13/01/13

      Nice try, John.  Another ALP troll trotting out the same old tired rubbish.  That cow you call a Prime Minister will be out on her ear within the year.  Now, where is your proof that she did nothing wrong?

    • John says:

      05:52pm | 13/01/13

      @Toady

      Try again. If you have an allegation to make, what is it ?

    • Paul says:

      06:34pm | 13/01/13

      Christian Real you repeat the same lies and get corrected nearly every day and then you repeat them anyway. Like pretending that Gillard didn’t go back on her word about the carbon tax. Like bringing up that “trust” fund nonsense. Everyone knows that they only apologised for saying “trust” instead of “slush”. The truth is nothing but a word game to you.

      If the Victorian fraud squad are still investigating the AWU fraud then what makes you so sure that there’s nothing in it? The former head of the WA Anti-corruption Commission reckons there’s a case to answer and I’ll bet you’ve read his article in The Australian.

      I don’t understand why you and the ALP reckon that Julie Bishop should resign because she spoke with Ralph Blewitt more than once? Are you serious? I mean Julia Gillard has spoken with him more than that.

      One of the many accusations being made is that she misled the WA Corporate Affairs Commissioner by bullshitting him in writing that the AWU-WRA was for workplace reform. Not a fund for the personal benefit of a few unionites who want to get re-elected. The correspondence has been all over the media so do a google. Or go to Michael Smith’s site, I’m sure you’ve been there before.

      So in the future, if I decide to commit a fraud, can I call a press-conference in lieu of a court case? It sounds so much easier not having to answer questions under oath.

      But who am I kidding. You know all this but you’re obviously on a misinformation campaign. You say you work in the private sector but manage to haunt the comments on this site every single day. If it’s not your “job” to write Abbott fan-fiction all the time, then just how do you get any work done?

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      09:55am | 13/01/13

      Typical rusted-on ALP clap-trap, James.
      WorkChoices was a disaster for all. Abbott, whether you like it or not. did oppose it’s introduction. The ALP did Not abolish WorkChoices. They simply changed some of the provisions of it & re-named it FairWork Australia. They gave Unions, remember they only represent less than 1/6th of the Australian Workforce, unprecedented & most certainly undeserved power.
      Like WorkChoices, FairWork Australia is NOT set in stone &, as all legislation should be, is subject to amendment.
      Just what possible objection can you or your precious ALP have to FairWork being amended, refined so that it becomes exactly what it claims tobe, Fair? What is wrong with having an IR platform which is fair to both Employers (they’re the ones who pay the wages) and to Employees? (They’re the ones who do the work, create the profits which enables the Employers to pay them)
      It seems you & the ALP have no idea of the meaning of the word “Fair”.
      Is it fair, James, that your precious, shrinking Unions are allowed to take Union member’s money & donate it, without the written approval of each & every member, to a Political Party? Of course it isn’t.
      Is it fair, James, that the only Political party which benefits from this theft of Union Member’s money is the ALP? No, it’s Not.
      Is it fair, James, that going by voting patterns during normal times across the nation, up to 50% of all Union Members would not be ALP voters & yet their Union seems to think it has the unfettered right to take their money & give it to a Political Party which those members would never, ever support? That is most certainly not Fair. It is dishonest.
      Was it Fair, James, that the Voters, who put the ALP under his Leadership were not given the opportunity to decide for ourselves whether or not we thought Rudd had done a good job or not?
      Was it Fair, James, that we got landed with a prime minister who only got there solely to satisfy her own personal ambition.
      Finally, remember, James, that we did not vote the ALP under Gillard into office. We did not want a bar of her or Abbott & the Polls tell us that when it comes to both of them they are less popular than insurance & car sales people. Despite Abbott’s unpopularity, according to those same Polls the ALP under Julia Gillard will be decimated.

    • William says:

      11:32am | 13/01/13

      Yes we did, Robert. 6,216,445 of us.

      Are you the last person in Australia who still doesn’t understand that if an election results in a hung Parliament it’s then up to the minor parties and Independents to decide which party forms Government ?

    • toady says:

      11:49am | 13/01/13

      True, William.  A small percentage of people voted for the loopy leftards occupying The Greens offices.  So with a lying Gillard desperate to hold onto office, she did a deal with a fringe group and now here we all are with a totally useless CARBON DIOXIDE tax, and a massive debt with very little to show for the spending.  No matter how you look at it, Gillard is a grub and she deserves to be booted out at the next election.

    • Christian Real says:

      01:22pm | 13/01/13

      Toady
      Correction sunshine, Julia Gillard promised to put a Price On carbon and she has kept that promise.
      Extracts from this story in The Australian, “Julia Gillard’s carbon price promise.” ,written by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan on August 20, 2010 @ 12.00AM.
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.”
      “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution reduction scheme,a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.”
      “this is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing.”
      Then you have Tony Abbott:
      “abbott dogged by old carbon comment”, June 7, 2011
      “Tony Abbott’s past as a climate change “weather vane” has come back to haunt him - again.”

      the Opposition Leader has been shown spruiking a carbon tax in an old interview that was aired on Q & A on ABC Television yesterday.”
      “If you want to put a price on carbon,why not just do it with a simple tax?” Mr Abbott argues.
      “Why not just ask electricity consumers to pay more,then at the end of the year you can take ypour invoices to the Tax Office and get a rebate.”
      From The Australian this news story “Towm of Beaufort changed Tony Abbott’s view on climate change.”, written by Stuart Rintoul on December 12, 2009 @ 12.00AM
      “When Abbott arrived at the gathering of the Liberal faithful in Beaufort,it was clear he was exhausted.”
      “By the time he left,flushed with the energy of farmers such as David “Rocky’ George—- whom he calls “practical environmentalists”—- he had dismissed the science underpinning climate change as “Crap”
      “The weekend Australian this week returned to Beaufort to talk to those who were with Abbott when he set his foot on the road to Damascus. Among them was Joe Mccracken, the young vice - president of the beaufort branch of the Liberal party.”
      “He did say crap; he did say I’m a sceptic and there was big applause,” McCracken says.
      Then in another news story from The Sydney Morning Herald “Climate change no longer ‘crap’: Abbott says man makes a difference.”, written by Lenore Taylor on May 27, 2010 @ 1.05PM
      “Tony Abbott,who famously declared the “so - called settled science” of climate change to be “crap” has told environmental business leaders he is now “confident…mankind does make a difference to climate.”
      “in a speech to the National Leaders Forum on Sustainable Development in Canberra,Mr Abbott repeated his view on natural variations in the climate have been happening since the beginning of time,but added that he also believed humans have influenced recent climate fluctuations.”
      “I am confident,based on the science we have,that mankind does make a differerence to climate,almost certainly the impact of humans on the planet extends to climate.”
      *It does appear that Tony Abbott is an opportunist,changing to suit with what ever political wind is blowing at the time.
      From his December 2009 speech in the Victorian towm of Beaufort where he described climate change as “crap’, fast forward to May, 2010 just a little over 5 month later when speaking at a National Business Leaders Forum on Sustainable development in Canberra where he is suddenly now confident that “mankind does make a difference to climate.”
      Tony Abbott once said on ABC’s 7.30 report: “The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks.”
      Perhaps Tony abbott would have been better suited to host the Television Show ” Ripley’s, Believe it or not”

    • William says:

      02:51pm | 13/01/13

      @Toady

      Wrong. The Independents and the Green MPs won their seats by being voted for by a majority, as did Bob Katter who sided with the LNP.

    • Aussie says:

      03:36pm | 13/01/13

      @christian real
      That’s a long post, defending a lying grubby useless government.
      There’s an old saying about polishing a turd(labor) It’s still a TURD!!

    • Thunderoad says:

      10:58am | 13/01/13

      James Campbell is a former Liberal Party staffer. His ambiguous Punch bio was clearly penned during the tenure of the last Labor government in Victoria.

      None the less, like your acolyte Angry God of Townsville above you’ve clearly misread the point of the article.

      This a desperate plee from a staunch Liberal for the party to not show it’s true hand prior to the election and jeopardise it’s chances.

      In James’ eyes, the attainment of power at any cost comes well and truly before any sort of honesty with the electorate.

    • nihonin says:

      11:32am | 13/01/13

      Pfffft

      Yes yes we know, it’s always the Liberals fault that this government has proven itself to be the best opposition party to any other opposition party at any time in Australian political history.

      That’s about all your comment deserves.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      01:48pm | 13/01/13

      William, you seem tobe the last person in Australia to realise that WE did not elect the current ALP government under the appalling leadership of Julia Gillard, yet at the same time you acknowledge that it was the Independents & minor parties which put her into office. The electorate did not want either of the majors under their respective leaders.
      Before you argue that “We did not elect Kevin Rudd” what we did was elect the ALP under the much lauded, by the ALP, Leadership of Kevin Rudd. WE gave him an 18-seat Majority. There was a slight dip in the Polls in May 2010 but for the entire period during which Rudd was PM the ALP held a commanding lead over the Coalition. Even the Poll just before Gillard usurped the prime ministership, Rudd was in a position which would have seen the ALP returned to office, albeit with a reduced majority. He & the ALP would have been able to Govern in their own right.
      Gillard lost that entire 18-seat Majority. She got the support of the Independents because they were so stupid that they let their personal opinions of one person, Tony Abbott, make their decisions for them. Like Gillard, Abbott is just the Leader of the Liberals but as we are so often told “Vote the Policies, not the Person”.
      Gillard was determined to become the first female prime minister & she stopped at nothing to do so. She is entirely driven by her own ambition & personal lust for power. That she is loathed is patently obvious. That she has been the worst political leader this country has ever had is patently obvious.
      Rudd may have thought, because of the GFC, he had some justification for his multi-billion dollar spending spree to bring the Federal Government’s debt from $0.00 to $47 billion up to June 24th 2010 (what was it? 2 years 7 months?).
      What justification has Gillard had to add another $100 billion-plus to that $47 billion in even less time (2 years 1 month & 2 weeks)???

    • Gerard says:

      11:19am | 13/01/13

      “One would have thought that the searing experience of losing government in the middle of a boom would be enough to convince all of them to cool it with the union-bashing staff”

      Union bashing is fine, the problem is the way they are going about it. LNP politicians only ever seem to criticise unions in economic terms (hampering growth, reducing investment etc). What would be more effective is pointing out the unions’ failure to act in their members’ interests.

      A union is a business, owned and operated by the Labor Party for the benefit of the Labor Party. Their members (or, to be more accurate, their customers) are just a source of income for them to fund the ALP’s political ambitions. If the LNP tried highlighting this fact and encouraged workers to demand actual benefits from their union, they could start doing real damage to these parasitic organisations.

    • hand2mouth says:

      03:49pm | 13/01/13

      Internet +1 (and therefore firmly posted my pennant).

    • Timothy says:

      11:20am | 13/01/13

      It’s the age old dilemma of right wing parties.

      “Why should anyone vote for you if you won’t say what your policies are ?”

      “Because we know that if we do even fewer people vote for us.”

      “Fair enough. As you were.”

    • Karin says:

      12:54pm | 13/01/13

      Impossible to bite your tongue when your foot is permanently in your mouth!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:54pm | 13/01/13

      If the Liberals are stupid enough to introduce a Workchoices type of legislation in their next term of office, then they deserve everything they get. Nothing like massive retrenchment, offshoring of jobs, higher mortgage default rates and job insecurity during an economic downturn to focus the punters minds upon why they shouldn’t have voted Liberal. Mind you both major parties are completely inept in economic management (witness their dependence upon bribing the voters with handouts) and do not deserve to govern.

    • Christine says:

      03:17pm | 13/01/13

      Shane, as I recall, the Coalition when in power not only cleared the ALP debt and put money away for a rainy day via future fund, but they also reduced personal income tax rates in a few financial years.  Instead of wasting this money, it handed back to the tax payers surplus monies.  What is wrong with that?  Sounds like pretty good economic management to me and yes Abbott and many of the current shadow ministers were part of that same fiscally responsible government..  How easy some people forget or choose to!

      Imagine the financial mess Australia would have been in when the GFC occurred if the ALP practice of accumulating deficits had continued throughout those Coalition years instead of the financial disciplines we had.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      06:17pm | 13/01/13

      Wakey, wakey, “Shane from Melbourne” the Libs are not proposing to introduce WorkChoices type of legislation! They are proposing, as any possible future government, of whatever ilk has the right to do, to amend the existing FairWork Australia Legislation & make it Fairer for BOTH Employer & Employee.
      Mmassive retrenchment”? Yes, we have seen that under the current ALP Federal Government - they’ve simply covered that up with hiring ever more Public Servants.
      “Off-shoring of Jobs”? Yes, we have seen that under the ALP as well.
      “Mortgage Default rates”? No government, of whatever colour can be blamed for that. It is stupid, greedy people who go in over their heads in buying huge Ice Cream McMansions with their 4 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms, 4-car garages for $100,000.00-plus luxury motor vehicles, the swimming pool, designer furniture & designer clothes for their Trophy Kids who bring that on themselves.
      “Job Insecurity”? Just who was it who decided that Tariffs should be abolished on Clothing, Footwear, Motor Vehicles & practically every form or Australian Manufacturing? The ALP under the alleged leadership of Bob Hawke & Paul Keating.
      It has been your precious ALP which has been instrumental in destroying Australia’s Manufacturing Sector all the while other countries have been improving & expanding their trade restrictions with ever-increasing Tariffs etc. Look at the kerfuffle during the last few days over the matter of Chinese students & visitors buying up Baby Formula & posting it back to China. Chinese companies are not allowed by the Chinese Government to import that product without paying massive tariffs to protect the contaminated Chinese product!!
      Our manufacturers, or what is left of them, don’t have that sort of protection. All thanks to that Champion of Australian Workers the Australian Labor Party.

    • Karin says:

      12:54pm | 13/01/13

      Impossible to bite your tongue when your foot is permanently in your mouth!

    • Geoff says:

      02:30pm | 13/01/13

      No matter what you think of Abbott, the Liberals, Workchoices etc, etc, etc….  how can anyone seriously consider voting the current bunch of ALP parliamentarians back in?
      Frydenberg is a legend in his own mind and an idiot if he thinks he is helping the party by wanting a Workchoices style policy.  I voted against it.  But not for Kevin, because I knew what a psycho he was going to be.  Too late the ALP finally fessed up about it.
      Now we have Gillard who lied to us all and keeps lying.  Well we have to draw the line somewhere and for me it’ll be at the next election…  there is only one way to rid us of this lying incompetent government.
      Surely even the myopic and one-eyed can see what it is.

    • Tropical says:

      02:35pm | 13/01/13

      Today marks a miserable and dismal anniversary in Australian history. Today the Gillard minority Labor/Independent/green government equals the Rudd Labor government’s total equally incompetent time in office. A lousy 935 days.  A miserable incompetent government who redefined failures as resounding successes.
      Cost-of-living pressures under the Rudd government, from the December quarter of 2007 to the June quarter of 2010 saw our electricity prices increased by an average of 34% across Australia. Gas prices rose by an average of 26 per cent and water and sewerage rates increased by an average of 29%.  We had health costs increase by an average 18%, education costs increased by an average 17% and the amount of rent people paid increased by 17% as insurance costs leapt by 20%.
      Under the useless incompetent Gillard government, from the June quarter of 2010 to the September quarter of 2012, electricity prices soared by an average 41%, gas prices increased by an average of 29% and water and sewerage rates rose by an average 27%. Health costs increased by an average 10%, education costs rose by an average 12% and the amount of rent people paid jumped by 10% as insurance costs rose by 16 per cent.
      I think if it came to Australians priorities it is not about a bloody repository of Labor party and union hacks of the PM who reside and survive on obscene salaries at Fair Work Australia.  Thier time will come in due course and it will not be a return to Workchoices that went a step to far.

    • James says:

      05:15pm | 13/01/13

      Good times, and the very best part of the last six or so years has been hearing you Libs 100% squealing.

    • Christian Real says:

      05:34pm | 13/01/13

      Tropical
      Seek some shade sunshine,it appearsby your comment that you have stayed out in the tropical heat far too long.

    • Achmed says:

      05:53pm | 13/01/13

      still unable to understand that State Government set electricity, water and gas prices.  Still unable to understand that in WA the state Libs put up power prices 60% and that the CT added only 8%, a figure less than the effect of the GST

    • Davo says:

      06:12pm | 13/01/13

      @tropical sorry but your post was a bit long for my limited attention span although i did notice several numbers and % symbols. you lost me when you started ranting.

      that said, i am impressed that you appear to have gone to such trouble researching your post. kudos for that.

    • John says:

      04:00pm | 13/01/13

      It hasn’t been called “WorkChoices” for ages, James.

      They’ve been calling it “flexibility” for years now.

 

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