Not since the Federated Actors Guild launched a musical campaign against the AIDS virus in the movie Team America has a group of celebrities caused such a stink.

The decision of actors Cate Blanchett and Michael Caton to front advertisements supporting the Federal Government’s climate change policies has been denounced as a shocking act of impertinence by a pair of cashed-up lefties who have no right to enter the debate.

The attacks on the pair have been over the top and underscore the increasing shoutiness of modern discourse. On news and opinion websites (including the two I work for, The Punch and news.com.au) we have seen the usual procession of anonymous haters line the pair up over their supposedly unwelcome foray into publc policy arena.

The attacks on Blanchett have been particularly personal and aggressive. The National Party’s Barnaby Joyce directly accused her of risking people’s lives – “you’re really going to hurt people Cate, you really are” – while others honed in on the actor’s extravagant property in Hunter’s Hill, on Sydney’s Lower North Shore, as evidence that she is some kind of fraud. Much was made of the fact that she had installed some 32 solar panels on the roof of the harbourside property, as if it said something about her obscene wealth. A more reasonable analysis is that all it shows is that she is prepared to put her money where her mouth is.

If the more rabid conservatives are going to attack Blanchett for being too flushed with cash to have any standing on this issue, they might also care to explain where they stand on the likes of billionaires such as Clive Palmer underwriting the Minerals Council campaign against the mining tax, or donating millions to the Coalition, or Gina Rinehart spending a sizeable chunk of her inheritance on a stake in the Ten Network. One of the more peculiar features of the debate is hearing extravagantly paid radio personalities, who are not just on vast salaries but are also paid in a share of company profits, saying that Blanchett has so much money she will never be troubled by tax issues anyway. Quite.

These advertisements are 100 per cent privately-funded and in a democracy such as ours people have every right to spend their money as they wish to make their point. That said, there’s a separate issue as to whether the advertisements are tactically smart. It’s more likely that rather than galvanising support for a carbon tax, they will have the opposite effect of alienating mainstream voters who simply want details about how much the carbon tax will cost them, and what type of compensation they will get in return.

The left of politics in Australia seems to be permanently afflicted by what could be described as the Don’s Party syndrome, whereby affluent and educated people think you can win debates by telling people what’s good for them.

Advertising executive Adam Ferrier wrote a good piece on The Australian yesterday fleshing out the point.

“One of the risks of any green campaign is that it appears like lefty, progressive, idealistic and elitist, detached from the struggles of everyday people,” Ferrier wrote. “At worst, Cate is at risk of making the cause elitist. For the millions this (ad campaign) cost, there are so many other ways to change behaviour than having an elitist talking head spruik a carbon tax as easily as spruiking x, y or z.”

The best example of this was the republican campaign, which culminated with a tragi-comic cocktail reception for the failed yes vote on the night of the ballot where Rachel Ward sobbed on husband Bryan Brown’s shoulder as Malcolm Turnbull declared that John Howard had “broken the nation’s heart”. What had really happened was that the republicans had completely stuffed their campaign by leaving much of the talking to celebrities while overlooking their first responsibility – to explain how a republic would work, why we needed one, and how life would change for the better under the new constitutional model.

The same mistakes are being made now by progressive people who believe in climate change. And the same mistakes are being made, spectacularly, by the Gillard Government. The PM looks like she is dancing to the tune of the Greens purely because of the disastrous quirk of democracy at last year’s election, where no-one actually won, and she decided to break her own promise of not introducing a carbon tax in order to form government. We are now moving headlong towards putting a price on carbon – ie, introducing a tax – and the Government is trying to win a debate when it is yet to provide people with any detail. It’s a ludicrous manoeuvre, asking people to take you on trust when you have already breached their trust by changed the position you adopted in the election campaign. Until such a time as the Government releases details of how it will actually work, how much it will cost, how much compensation families will receive, they are sitting ducks.

The pro climate change lobby and actors such as Blanchett and Caton can say and do what it likes in an attempt to bolster its cause, and spend as much money as they wish in the process.

As Bob Carr wrote on his Thoughtlines blog yesterday:

“Is it being implied that an Australian who enjoys success in an international market and the rewards that come with it forgoes the right to participate in public debate? That is the implication here. By the same standards a wealthy Australian or a chair or CEO of a big company would have to forgo the right to say anything about corporate or personal taxation. The idea is nuts.”

There is a separate issue though as to whether it will actually bolster the cause. In the absence of policy detail, and with the voters still smarting from being misled by the PM, you would have to say they’ve probably done their dough.

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    • Erick says:

      06:01am | 31/05/11

      The rich lefty elitists have been bagging ordinary Australians for decades now. They call us racists, rednecks, bigots, troglodytes, misogynists, knuckle-draggers, bogans, and morons. They fly around the world in private planes to tell us we must give up the privilege of flying.

      And they wonder why they’re getting a backlash?

    • acotrel says:

      06:50am | 31/05/11

      @Erick
      ‘They call us racists, rednecks, bigots, troglodytes, misogynists, knuckle-draggers, bogans, and morons.’

      Why are you so sensitive, they’re only holding up a mirror?

    • persephone says:

      07:40am | 31/05/11

      Erick

      No, we don’t say that about ordinary Australians.

      You, on the other hand….

    • Warren says:

      07:49am | 31/05/11

      @Erick you don’t represent or speak for “ordinary Australians”, you speak for yourself. And as you bitterly pointed out in a post a while back, people have been laughing at you for the past 20 years. You might want to dwell on that.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      08:01am | 31/05/11

      Another article that misses the point. These actors have aligned themselves with GetUp! and the union movement, and so they’ve entered the political debate. Now that they’re there, they need to cop it sweet.
      GetUp! was started by ALP members and ex-members, is largely funded by the union movement, and is basically a labor front group (check their annual reports for all the detail, it’s all there).
      So anyone who speaks for this group, especially in support of an ALP [bad] policy, then they’re going to get it in the neck, and rightly so.

      Penbo and Farr, appear to be suggesting that it’s not OK to criticise these elitist lefties, or that if you are going to have a go at them, do it nicely… what the…?

    • Sherlock says:

      08:03am | 31/05/11

      That’s it in a nutshell. I don’t care how rich she is I just don’t like being lectured to by somebody who has a carbon footprint that would be some multiple of ten times mine.

      This talk of offsets, solar panels etc is just rubbish. She is still personally responsible for emitting a stack of carbon. This buying of indulgences so you can live supposedly live a carbon bloated lifestyle guilt free is nothing but a joke.

      Am I the only one who has noticed that quite a large percentage of the noisiest alarmists seem to have a huge carbon footprint. Al Gore. Tim Flannery etc

      I’m a big supporter of freedom of speech and I support her right to express her opinion. However that same freedom of speech allows me to also stand up and say “sorry but you’re obviously an idiot”.

    • DJ says:

      08:07am | 31/05/11

      Well put Erik, they have no credibility when their own carbon footprint exceeds average Australians no matter how many solar panels they put on their roof.

    • loulou says:

      08:31am | 31/05/11

      Agree, LeftRightOut.

    • mel says:

      08:34am | 31/05/11

      Erick is right.  If Cate Blanchett is called “smug and sanctimonious”, that’s pretty near the truth.  Elitists don’t like the truth.  They are used to being fawned over.

    • AAAdam says:

      08:48am | 31/05/11

      Agreed Erick. Cate and Michael are free to express their views. However, the general public is just as free to tell them to pull their head in, stick to acting and then point out the hypocrisy of their pro carbon tax statements/advertisements given they are both extremely wealthy champagne socialists that can afford to pay it.

    • Erick says:

      08:58am | 31/05/11

      Just as expected - After pointing out how abusive and nasty lefties are, three of them pop up with abusive and nasty replies.

      YOU ARE ALL MY PUPPETS.

    • Timmy says:

      09:02am | 31/05/11

      Here here Erik!

      The article decries ad hominem, while referring to the opposition as “rabid conservatives”

      There are pots and kettles on both sides of this one.

      Having said that, the easiest way to get your message widely accepted by the main stream is to make the opposition appear extreme or dumb or to equate them with some undesirable portion of the community.

      What does it matter who we attack, as long as we reduce emmisions.

    • Neil Innes says:

      09:07am | 31/05/11

      Are you serious Penbo? It is not about the money that Cate has, but it is about the message and it is a message that the ALP and the Greens are losing. Cate was in Robin Hood recently and the premise was all about evil King John raising taxes that hurt ‘our Cate’ - AGW has not been proven, and the science is not settled. The USA, France, Russia & Canada have just pulled out of round 2 of the Kyoto protocol…...why? because they know that AGW is a load of crock and they cannot convince their own peoples. SO, what is the point of the Carbon Tax? Penbo - you know better than most, to raise a new tax to meet unfunded liabilities and to pay for further Government waste. You have struck a new low by stating that ‘conservatives’ are being personal & aggressive, when it is no longer conservatives that don’t want the CT - in fact 70% of Australian’s don’t want it - Get it!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Huey says:

      09:08am | 31/05/11

      @ LeftRightOut, you have put in a nutshell!..Thanks.

    • dovif says:

      09:21am | 31/05/11

      Does anyone find it funny that all the actors flew into Australia (CO2), caught a car to the filming area (CO2), and are using massive amount of energy to film the ad (CO2).

      So we can watch an ad on TV (CO2), which tells us to stop using CO2.

      I wonder if the Ad is carbon neutral

    • Matt says:

      09:43am | 31/05/11

      “Erick says:
      06:01am | 31/05/11

      The rich lefty elitists have been bagging ordinary Australians for decades now. They call us racists, rednecks, bigots, troglodytes, misogynists, knuckle-draggers, bogans, and morons. They fly around the world in private planes to tell us we must give up the privilege of flying.”

      ”  persephone says:
        07:40am | 31/05/11

        Erick

        No, we don’t say that about ordinary Australians.

        You, on the other hand….”

      You heard it here first, folks. persephone is a rich lefty elitist.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      09:48am | 31/05/11

      @ Sherlock

      Well said in a nutshell.

      Good for Cate to put her money where her mouth is because she cares about a clean environment for her children. Her counter attack statement was well said but marred by the fact she put all her trust in a PM that lied to the nation; “there will be no carbon tax under the govt I lead.” In Cate’s statement, apart from caring about the environment for her children, her other excuse for getting involved was that she was assured by ????? probably Get Up or the Unions that struggling families would be compensated. Compensated???? shouldn’t Cate have waited until we get the details before trusting a lying PM Julia Gillard.?????

      Sorry Cate that is my only gripe but will defend your right to voice your opinion.

      As for the richies Clive Palmer and Gina Reinhardt there is a difference. It was an invested interest they were fighting for. They knew the ins and outs of the mining industry and what the mining tax would do for the industry.

    • Walt the conservative says:

      09:57am | 31/05/11

      Erik, you are right in what you say. But the thing that annoy’s me the most is that they think that because they are “celebs” they automatically get a bigger brain than anyone else. What they do not think about, their ego gets in the way, is that we so called ordinary people with our degrees and diplomas, really know that climate change has always existed, but throwing money at it or taxing pollution will not solve the problem. Thats a labor pollies solution to everything. Industry will fix the problem with technology, the help of the people and workers and support from all goverments not taxes on everything. I personally am fed up, like you, of experts etc feathering their own nests.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:39am | 31/05/11

      @dovif - where did all the actors fly into Australia from? As far as I can tell, both Cate Blanchett and Michael Caton live in Sydney and there’s no mention of them being overseas and having to fly back for the filming.

      Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, but one based on a little fact would be better.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:41am | 31/05/11

      The repartee here reminds me of the Monty Python argument skit only even more puerile and demeaning. If you have nothing to say that isn’t cheap, abusive or demeaning why not STFU.
      I would like to think some Australians can actually play the ball not the player and add to the debate rather than carp on with the unimaginative party political diatribe rhetoric. On more JULIAR ...

    • persephone says:

      10:55am | 31/05/11

      Matt

      nice gotcha!

      But no - even poor lefty common folk would have that opinion of Erick…..

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      11:35am | 31/05/11

      I come from a rich, elitist, conservative family. I used to be a lefty in some respects, but having moved out of home, I’m becoming poorer and more right wing. Go figure.

      PS: Still think communistic utopia would be ideal, but how to achieve one without cutting down the tall poppies… If only poppies stopped moaning and caring about themselves, ahhhh…

    • Dave-o says:

      11:42am | 31/05/11

      Has Cate ever called you any of those things Erick?

      Or is that just your over active persecution complex at work?

    • Matt says:

      11:43am | 31/05/11

      “persephone says:
      10:55am | 31/05/11

      Matt

      nice gotcha!”

      Thanks!

    • HeatherG says:

      12:53pm | 31/05/11

      “That’s it in a nutshell. I don’t care how rich she is I just don’t like being lectured to by somebody who has a carbon footprint that would be some multiple of ten times mine.”

      About sums up my feelings on the issue, too.

      Also, this:

      “And the same mistakes are being made, spectacularly, by the Gillard Government. The PM looks like she is dancing to the tune of the Greens purely because of the disastrous quirk of democracy at last year’s election, where no-one actually won, and she decided to break her own promise of not introducing a carbon tax in order to form government. We are now moving headlong towards putting a price on carbon – ie, introducing a tax – and the Government is trying to win a debate when it is yet to provide people with any detail. It’s a ludicrous manoeuvre, asking people to take you on trust when you have already breached their trust by changed the position you adopted in the election campaign. Until such a time as the Government releases details of how it will actually work, how much it will cost, how much compensation families will receive, they are sitting ducks.”

      Caton, Blanchett et al—and anyone who takes this stance—are, likewise, sitting ducks. They are speaking of what they do not KNOW—they cannot know; the Gillard gvt won’t tell anyone the details. As such, anyone in these ads come across like rusted-on Labor/Green stooges (rightly or wrongly) who are talking at face value the lies we have been told. They do not actually *know* what it is they are supporting!

      So, words = mud.

    • OhOz says:

      01:21pm | 31/05/11

      @Sherlock and others. You don’t seem to understand how the tax works; you pay more as you pollute more. It’s not a flat fee. If these celebs’ carbon footprint is that much larger as you claim, then they will pay more; simple as that.

    • Tezza says:

      01:40pm | 31/05/11

      Happy to see the rich lefty elitists wasting their money on expensive television adverts, and full-page vanity ads in the SMH that are oh so Sixties or Seventies. Remember how all those university types and their mates like Patrick White used to publish their “ten thousand signatures” against the Vietnam War, or protesting against “The Dismissal”, or some similar cause. As if those ads ever convinced anybody else to change his or her mind on the issue. Still, it’s good to see them spending their money on something useless.

    • Tchom says:

      02:21pm | 31/05/11

      Elitist or not, this issue with Cate Blanchett is the biggest beat up ever. Surely people on both sides can agree this has gathered way more attention than it deserves. Can’t we talk about the International Energy Agency report instead? If they’re right and the target is out of reach, then the world is doomed and people can keep on driving their SUVs around western sydney and saving themselves $500 a year. Yay!

    • Craig says:

      03:41pm | 31/05/11

      It’s pretty clear really. It isn’t about her wealth or profession. The anger is about her opinion. Erick would be lauding her if she spoke out against a carbon tax and used her profile to support the views he holds. Lots of those supporting her now would be attacking her bitterly if she spoke against it. So, if you have a problem with her opinion or anyone elses for that matter, argue against it. Pembo’s right.
      Rich, poor, famous, ordinary and infamous all have a right to express their opinion.
      Erick, I havn’t heard Blanchett call anybody a rascist, bigot etc. So, why have you started the name calling?

    • Jack Thomas says:

      04:03pm | 31/05/11

      Could it be I don’t like being lectured to by someone with less education and knowledge than the guy who served me my coffee this morning?

      Apart from being smug, hypocritical and elitist, these actors are simply not qualified. What degrees in science do they have? What experience in the field do they have?

      We might as well have a bunch of footballers, after all they have a similar level of education and knowledge…?

      PS. I love the way Persiephone answers “we don’t say that” to the jibe about being rich leftie elitists…

    • iansand says:

      04:17pm | 31/05/11

      Fair enough, Jack.  I will pass your comments on to Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine and Piers Akerman…  I will have a busy few hours, I think.  So many people need to be told to STFU.

    • persephone says:

      04:17pm | 31/05/11

      Jack

      Yes, I’m very cute.

      And incredibly good looking, to boot.

    • Matt says:

      04:57pm | 31/05/11

      Iansand, don’t forget Tim Flannery while you’re at it!

    • Sony B Goode says:

      05:37pm | 31/05/11

      “You heard it here first, folks. persephone is a rich lefty elitist”

      There is something not quite right about wealth loathing types accumulating wealth. reminds me of the Kennedys, strongly advocating higher taxes whilst aggressively shielding the family fortune through trusts and offshore vehicles resulting in minimal tax: hypocrites.

    • persephone says:

      06:28pm | 31/05/11

      As I type this on my gold plated keyboard, whilst Jeeves kneels at my feet massaging my toes, and Beulah peels me a grape, my mind wanders to the plight of the poor people.

      Am I being too kind to them, sharing not only the breadth of my massive intellect but a modicum of my charm on those who are clearly unworthy even to clean the fluff from my navel? (Jeeves, you missed the outside of my little toe - try again, there’s a good chappie).

      Obviously I am. Obviously they’re undeserving. Obviously they can’t even begin to grasp my magnamity.

      Still, it can get boring, sitting here in solitary splendour (Beulah, you missed a grape pip! I could have died….).

      I think I will persevere.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      06:48pm | 31/05/11

      Erik for Dictator for life! ! More sense than all the havering lefties put together,. Cate hardly uses her car, is that because she gets drivene in a limousine ? ?Showing off how “green” she is yet still consumes in 6 figure sums

    • jonno says:

      07:26pm | 31/05/11

      I am lefty, wheres my Jet?

    • Craig says:

      09:17pm | 31/05/11

      I suspect partly it is jealousy. Some don’t like the fact that when a famous person has an opinion they get media coverage. I don’t get media coverage for my opinion but I don’t begrudge others who do. Nobody is suggesting her opinion is any more important than anyone elses. It is a reality that it gets more coverage.

    • Gregg says:

      06:35am | 01/06/11

      So persy,
      You don’t mind plenty of taxes because you’re continually giving handouts and making free shouts to the poor lefties you associate with and know of their views are you?
      Free grooming and deportment tips included I suppose too.
      How do you handle what comes out of the mouth!

    • Drunk Guy says:

      08:16am | 01/06/11

      All I can say, is they are using their celeberety to influence people to accept that we will be forced to have a Carbon tax by the greens in the next senate as part of the “Labor franchise” when policy has not even been finalised and do not know exactly what it will be, and that is un-Australian, what happened to the fair go?
      Thank god these celebrities only have one vote like the rest of us.

    • Lawrie says:

      11:50am | 01/06/11

      Its a pity that people like Erick prefer to attack the person rather than the message they are delivering.  It is the policy that should be debated regardless of who presents it.

    • Septimus says:

      06:04am | 31/05/11

      “The National Party’s Barnaby Joyce directly accused her of risking people’s lives – “you’re really going to hurt people Cate, you really are” – where in that statement is their a threat to life? 

      Hurt as in hurt their back pocket?

    • Jedi_T says:

      07:11am | 31/05/11

      Spot on Septimus.
      I think Penbo should clarify, just for arguments sake.

    • Chris says:

      08:19am | 31/05/11

      Yes, I think that’s obviously what he’s implying. And in many ways, an attack on the back pocket may as well be GBH.

    • Mike says:

      02:39pm | 31/05/11

      I was thinking the exact same thing, Septimus.  Poor and biased journalism.

    • John C says:

      06:13am | 31/05/11

      It is nit a question of whether the celebrities in this case have the right to state their opinion- they do. Nor is it a question of whether their beliefs are sincere- I am sure they are.
        But what we have here, and in similar situations, is a campaign trying to persuade people to a particular viewpoint just because a famous person, without argument or necessary special knowledge, says so. The position would be exactly the same if the celebrities asked people to say no to a carbon tax.

      As to wealthy miners publicly arguing against the mining tax, if they are being interviewed as a news item, I see no problem. If they are taking part in an ad, asking the public to say no to a mining tax, then it is even worse than the Blanchett example because they are speaking from self-interest.

    • ts says:

      07:57am | 31/05/11

      totally agree with john c. I think the point is being missed in that if they wanted to spend their money on a “climate change scientist” doing their ad campaign that may have been more palatable. but what they have done (and they would be aware of it) is use the celebrity to try to push a particular point of view. I think cate has a right to a point of view on a carbon tax, as I do. so ideally our two points of view should cancel each other out - one for and one against. but in reality we have a big succesful celebrity doing tv ads vs mr nobody sending comments to the punch - hardly a fair playing field.

    • sludger says:

      08:30am | 31/05/11

      @John, nicely put.  I wrote a comment on another article at Punch trying to say just that.  Mind you, pre-coffee I think I missed the mark.

    • n_dude says:

      12:38pm | 31/05/11

      John - you are correct. Obviously our mining magnates are much smarter than our leftie green friends when it comes to ad campaigns. Whilst they sponsored the ads, they did not appear in them, rather they used actors to connect to ordinary Australians. And it worked! I think the tactics here will backfire.

    • Simone says:

      02:09pm | 31/05/11

      I agree but also think it is about the individual person and their sincerity.  For example Blanchett is much maligned for her use of private jets one of the worst forms of transport and biggest greenhouse gas problems.  In todays Australian there is an article on how Caton successfully opposed the rail link to bondi which would have got thousands of cars off the road.  And he does the McDonadls adds and everyone knows that one of the biggest causes of environmental problems is cattle producers clearing rain forrest for the hamburger market.  So sorry, it is entirely about the individual and their “acting”.

    • ZSRenn says:

      06:17am | 31/05/11

      All this whoo-ha over 0.073% of global emissions.

    • acotrel says:

      06:52am | 31/05/11

      Alan Jones said humans are responsible for 0.000018% CO2 in our atmosphere.  Great to see a self educated man express an opinion?

    • L. says:

      07:59am | 31/05/11

      “Great to see a self educated man express an opinion? “

      Yep, it is..

      And those oppsed to Jones’s comments never miss an opportunity to call him names or villify him.

      What’s good for the Green goose….

    • Nafe says:

      08:28am | 31/05/11

      Actorel, what ZSRenn is talking about is 0.073% of human induces emmissions, while Alan Jones is talking about both human induces and naturally occuriong and current emmissions.

      Maybe you should actually use some commen sense before trying to belittle people.

    • dovif says:

      08:55am | 31/05/11

      and people like Acotrel wants to tell us that Kate have a right to speak and Alan Jones does not

      Hypocrite seems to be the middle name of all lefties in Australia

      Well they do follow the Lying, Fake Julia, so it all makes more sense, hypocrites

    • Andy W says:

      10:08am | 31/05/11

      Alan Jones is full of shit!

      Humans are responsible for 100% of the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere.

      The CO2 that nature emits is balanced by natural absorptions, Human emissions upset the natural balance.

    • Nafe says:

      10:26am | 31/05/11

      Andy, Seriously…... CO2 in the atmosphere constantly changes. A volcano eruption changes the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, be it temporarally or not, Man made CO2 emmissions are treated the same way by the atmosphere as naturaly occuring CO2 emmissions.

    • Andy W says:

      11:29am | 31/05/11

      Nafe, seriously…............ natural land and ocean carbon remains roughly in balance and have done so for a long time – Before the industrial revolution, the CO2 content in the air remained quite steady for thousands of years. Natural CO2 is generated by natural processes, and absorbed by others. Humans add extra CO2 without removing any.

      The fossil fuels emissions numbers are about 100 times bigger than even the maximum estimated volcanic CO2 fluxes.

    • Miles says:

      12:02pm | 31/05/11

      Andy, people like you with a phenomenal lack of common sense and ability to hear reason scare me.  You are perfect fodder for recruitment into the climate change zombie machine.

      Please provide evidence of this ‘natural balance’ assertion you have made.  Furthermore, please provide evidence that a slightly raised content of CO2 in the atmosphere would even remotely result in the sorts of extreme events the climate change zombies harp on about.

    • HeatherG says:

      01:06pm | 31/05/11

      Interesting, Andy W, the implication that humans are not “natural” to this planet.

      Did we not evolve here in concert with “nature”, the weather, etc? Why is a cow’s, or a butterfly’s, or a seal’s output natural while a man’s isn’t?

      It could actually be argued that, as we evolved on this planet to do what we are doing, that every bit of destruction and CO2 emission, whether we think it’s supposed to be there or not, is “nature” Working As Intended.

      Or not.

      Either way, taxing a totally natural emission (this is not a tax on carbon waste pollution, ie, solids, it’s a tax on carbon gas, ie, breathing—or did the Gillard gvt forget to tell everyone that?) is not going to help the problem.

      (The same argument applies for Intelligent Design; no offence intended towards anyone here who is/isn’t religious. smile )

    • Andy W says:

      01:47pm | 31/05/11

      Well Miles,

      I’ll take the views of the scientific community before the “common sense” spewed out by a bloke like Alan Jones (who tries to sell you a garage in the next breath) any day.

      There are plenty of peer reviewed scientific journals and books out there with information on the effects of man made CO2 emissions if you bother to look. Here’s a lead: http://www.skepticalscience.com/

      @Heather - Human emissions are not natural in the sense that we dig up vast amounts of coal and oil and set fire to it, cows and butterflies don’t do that.

    • JohnL says:

      02:30pm | 31/05/11

      There is a very large field of study that Andy W is referring to, it’s called Ecology, you might have heard of it. Andy is wrong in one respect however, this balance he refers to has been in place for hundreds of millions of years, not thousands.
      @HeatherG: Really? Did cows invent the internet that you seem to be using? Did they build the city you are most likely living in? Have butterflies been known to kill tens of thousands of their own in the name of some faceless god? What part of humanity is natural? We die and then we rot, but of course we are unnaturally terrified of it.
      So don’t start saying that we are a ‘natural’ organism because we aren’t, we’re an exception, a fluke. We have intelligence, we can make choices based on information that isn’t readily apparent, no other ‘natural’ beast can do that.

    • Max Redlands says:

      02:47pm | 31/05/11

      @ JohnL

      “So don’t start saying that we are a ‘natural’ organism because we aren’t”

      What absolute nonsense.

    • philbe2 says:

      02:51pm | 31/05/11

      Antarctic ice cores give us a record of CO2 levels going back 650,000 years. (For reference the earliest fossils of anatomically modern human beings are dated to 195,000 years ago.) During that time, CO2 levels have fluctuated between 180 ppm and 300 ppm. Currently they are 390 ppm and rising at 2 ppm / year. The last time CO2 levels rose dramatically (about 14,000 years ago) they took 5,000 years to rise 80 ppm. In the last 250 years CO2 levels have risen 110 ppm. One has to look many millions of years into the past to find CO2 levels as high as they are currently.
      It takes an extravagent amount of hand-waving to ignore these facts.

    • Jeem says:

      03:05pm | 31/05/11

      @HeatherG

      Every single time I’ve explained the difference between carbon(dioxide) and “soot”/“pollution” has changed people’s mind on the tax.  If we stopped calling carbon pollution (since it’s not) this whole thing would blow away (HAH!)

    • B says:

      10:28am | 01/06/11

      Andy W

      This is your professional Scientific opinion is it?  I fail to see how we are responsible for the Output of Volcano’s on this planet, which the output IS NOT reabsorbed. It goes to show your ingnorance that you refuse to acknowledge THE LARGEST contributor to CO2 emissions.

      Your argument is a wank and most know it.  Just sadly the “Faries in the bush” brigade are so gad Damn gullible that they will belive anything the Socialist Left throw at them.

      Ive said this before.  If they sprouted these views 20 years ago they would have called you a RED.  Now your a GREENIE, but the message has not changed.

    • B says:

      10:34am | 01/06/11

      Andy W.

      What a Wank of a website.  Fancy naming a website calling out skepticism to Climate Skeptics?

      Most ridiculous thing I have ever read and is quite obviously a leftie front.  Your evidence of a polically charged website has a great big FAIL all over it.

      Once again Andy W.  A BIG FAIL OVER THAT ONE

    • Andrew1 says:

      06:17am | 31/05/11

      Asking Aussies to say YES to a policy to yet be finalised and a policy we have no details on is arrogant. Having Cate lead that role is asking for trouble and makes no sense. Nothing personal Cate, but you’ve jumped the gun.

    • L. says:

      07:27am | 31/05/11

      “Asking Aussies to say YES to a policy to yet be finalised and a policy we have no details on is arrogant”

      Not only that Andrew, but asking us to “say” yes implies that we have a choice!

      We are not being asked…

      We are being told.

      Big difference.

    • acotrel says:

      08:03am | 31/05/11

      @L Some people need to be told!

    • TimB says:

      08:29am | 31/05/11

      “Some people need to be told! “

      Some? They’re telling *all* of us.

      Nice to see you support totalitarianism Acotrel.

    • sludger says:

      08:32am | 31/05/11

      @actorel, you are either trolling happily or supremely arrogant.

    • dovif says:

      08:59am | 31/05/11

      Well, the left have given us a lot of totalitarian regime

      For example the Russian communist, the German Nazis, the Chinese communist

      They always use lies to manipulate people into voting them in, just like the Left’s beloved Julia

    • Aitch B says:

      09:01am | 31/05/11

      @acotrel

      Have you been told lately? smile

    • Dash says:

      09:18am | 31/05/11

      @acotrel, have you been told lately?

    • L. says:

      09:19am | 31/05/11

      “@L Some people need to be told!”

      really..??

      Please give us the criteria for people who need to be told..??

      People with higher than averge carbon footprints..??  You know, like Cate..??

      People who believe in AGW, yet still run the a/c in their office..?? You know, like the minister for climate change..?

      People who believe in AGW, yet still use a single occupancy car to get to work..?? You know, like the minister for climate change..?

      People who believe in AGW, yet fly 114 people to a conference in Europe..?? You know, like the former PM..??

      People who believe in AGW, yet fly the distance to the moon in a few months because it would be “impossible” to do the job otherwise..? You know, like the former PM..??

      People who believe in AGW, yet allow the above to happen (except for Cate)..?? You know, like the current and former PM’s..??

    • PTom says:

      10:04am | 31/05/11

      How L.

      I’ll bet you Cate has a smaller carbon footprint then yourself

    • Dash says:

      10:13am | 31/05/11

      @L. Reality is, families with a lower carbon footprint will be made to pay for this with nil compensation yet other families with higher carbon footprints will be comensated! Why? Because families will be descriminated against on the basis of income. That’s the madness the ALP are delivering here. And they want to tell us that this policy is going to punish the polluters. It’s a crock of bullshit! They are following a socialist tax policy! That’s all this is. The science proves nil impact to global average temperatures! The only word to describe it is fraud.

      Once again what the ALP say is removed from the truth about what they are doing. Gillard was a member of the socialist forum right up until 2002. She and the ALP in coalition with the greens are now following the most lefty socialist agenda we have seen in this country.

      If you work hard, educate yourself and become successful, the ALP will punish you. If you contribute significantly financially to this nation the ALP will punish you. If you are already on welfare, the ALP will reward you. It’s socialism gone completely mad.

      They lied about their intensions, went into coalition with Browns Greens after the election without releasing the terms of their signed agreement, and are looking to railroad this policy through the parliament without giving the people of Australia the opportunity to vote for it. We are living in a socialist dictatorship. The government is corrupt!

    • L. says:

      10:28am | 31/05/11

      “I’ll bet you Cate has a smaller carbon footprint then yourself”

      Cool.. I’ll take that bet.

      Lets start…

      I never fly to the US just to give out awards.

      I have a 1.5 ltr car that I will run until the wheels fall off, no carbon intensive upgrade for me.

      I have no solar panels which will never produce as much power as they cost to make, transport and install.

      I have seen her house..My house will cost a fraction in carbon production to paint, clean and generally maintain.

      I have one child who never follows me overseas for work.

      I cycle to work.

      ...I think I win PTom.

    • Andy W says:

      12:05pm | 31/05/11

      @Dovif.

      The Nazis were fascists, from the far right of the political spectrum.

    • Carl says:

      12:59pm | 31/05/11

      Thanks Andy W… it really p**ses me off when people try to say Hitler was a “lefty” (almost as much as trying to convince people he was an atheist, despite the massive amount of religious propaganda pouring out of the Nazi party from the start). Using the kind of “logic” they use I guess Mussolini and Howard will be a “lefties” soon too…
      Also, despite being based on a “leftist philosophy”, the kind of totalitarian regimes which the likes of the USSR did and North Korea, China etc have developed into now bear as much semblance to the core ideals of the “left” (equality, personal choice, etc) as current Mexico does to the Aztec Empire. They are both in the same space, but are very different.
      If people are going to try to make an argument, they need to be accurate otherwise they just look like d*ckheads…

      Also, Acotrel you are right that Alan Jones is a “self educated man”... because if he actually bothered to learn about something other than what is encompassed by his narrow world view he would go from being “self educated” to just “educated”. But then, I guess his narrow view of the world is what allows him to be such a bigoted, vitriolic homophobe and have still been arrested in December 1988 in a lavatory block in London’s west end and charged with two counts of outraging public decency by behaving in an indecent manner (which is basically the polite “legal” way of saying he was soliciting for or engaging in homosexual sexual activity in a toilet block.)

    • PTom says:

      01:26pm | 31/05/11

      L.
      “I never fly to the US just to give out awards.
      I have one child who never follows me overseas for work.”
      So are you saying you still fly oversea but is wrong for Cate to do so, Cate pays carbon offset to do so do you?

      “I have a 1.5 ltr car that I will run until the wheels fall off, no carbon intensive upgrade for me.”
      Drive a hybrids.

      “I have no solar panels which will never produce as much power as they cost to make, transport and install.”

      Have you got the cost analyst on this so it cost you nothing to build a powerstation, power lines and transformers

      “I have seen her house..My house will cost a fraction in carbon production to paint, clean and generally maintain.
      I cycle to work.”
      Well done I am glad that you can afford a house close to where you work and how much carbon went to making your bike?

    • dovif says:

      02:42pm | 31/05/11

      AndyW

      Incorrect, please check your facts frist prior to posting

      The Nazi Originated from the German Socialist Workers party, a left wing party, their main opponents in the 30s were the Catholics, who eventually came together to form the Christian Democratic Union, who remains the Right wing party in german politics today

    • Max Redlands says:

      02:42pm | 31/05/11

      L. says:07:27am | 31/05/11

      ‘“Asking Aussies to say YES to a policy to yet be finalised and a policy we have no details on is arrogant”

      Not only that Andrew, but asking us to “say” yes implies that we have a choice!

      We are not being asked…

      We are being told.

      Big difference.’

      Agreed .

      That’s why the whole exercise is not only arrogant but also mind bogglingly stupid.

    • dovif says:

      02:50pm | 31/05/11

      Carl and AndyW

      Fact is Hitler was the leader of the German Socialist Workers Party, they were the left wing party in Germany in the 30s.

      Their chief opponent was the Centrist Party, which after the war, combined with other parties to form the Christian Democratic Union, which is led by Angela Merkel today, who is still the Right Wing Party in Germany

      You can try to denie it all you want, but the Nazis were a Socilist and Workers (Labour) party. And their opponent end up being the Center right party

    • Mike says:

      02:51pm | 31/05/11

      @PTom: the fact that you are even trying to argue this bet proves that you are an idiot.

    • dovif says:

      02:55pm | 31/05/11

      Andy W and Carl

      You 2 do know the 2nd volume of mein Kempf is called the National Socialist movement.

      Why does the left keep trying to hid the Socialist and the Communist under the carpet

    • Andy W says:

      03:20pm | 31/05/11

      @Dovif - check your facts.

      The Nazis were a nationalist, fascist, conservative party that had split from the Left-wing social democrats.

      The Nazis are regarded as far-right

    • Mouse says:

      08:06pm | 31/05/11

      PTom your carbon footprint is not the same as your shoe size

    • Rick Bradford says:

      11:13pm | 01/06/11

      Andy W

      The Nazis were classic Leftists—totalitarian, paranoid, hate-filled, destructive, deluded, and yes, green.

    • Super D says:

      06:25am | 31/05/11

      As I commented with Mal Farr’s similar piece.  Cate and Michael are more than welcome to enter the political fray, as is any other Australian of whatever means.  Needless to say they, and their ideas, should be open to scrutiny by all and repudiation by those who disagree.

      There seems to be some sort of belief that supporting action on climate change is apolitical.  It’s just so necessary that its post political.  This is utter bollocks.  Any policy, no matter the motivation, that involves the transfer of wealth from one group of society to another will always be political.

    • David C says:

      07:12am | 31/05/11

      and claiming certainty with the future is playing politics with the science

    • Nafe says:

      08:41am | 31/05/11

      I agree with both comments but i am getting well over the science.

      I believe climate change is real but am not convinced on the human activity portion of it. But I do feel like humouring the alarmists and will, for the time being agree that some action may be required (remember i did say MAY)

      I am more interested in what the policy will actually achieve for the climate. Will it cool the globe? If so, by how much and by when?
      Is it more cost effective to just adapt?

      These are the questions that need to be asked rather than the alarmists saying, if you believe in climate change you have to believe in the carbon tax, but if you don’t believe in the carbon tax, you must be a climate skeptic.

    • persephone says:

      11:06am | 31/05/11

      Nafe

      if you seriously want to educate yourself, have a look at the Climate Commission report:

      http://climatecommission.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/The-Critical-Decade_final_low-res.pdf

      which covers all of your questions.

      However—-

      If you believe that climate change is occuring, but am not sure if that’s human induced, what is your explanation for climate change?

      It doesn’t just happen; it must have a cause.

      The aim of the policy is not to cool the globe - we can’t, having already emitted enough stuff into the atmosphere to keep it warming even if we stopped all emissions tomorrow - but to stop global temperatures rising further in the future.

      The aim is to limit the rise to 2 degrees, a level scientists think we can cope with.

      If we can achieve that, the next step is to look at reversing it.

      No, it’s not more cost effective just to adapt. Partly because adapting rather than mitigating means the temperature will continue to rise beyond the two degree mark, and we would find it almost impossible to adapt to that, and partly because the expenses runaway climate change will impose on communities - with increased natural disasters, for example - far outweigh the cost of mitigation.

      If you genuinely want answers to the questions you raised, then the information is out there.

    • L. says:

      12:00pm | 31/05/11

      “If you believe that climate change is occuring, but am not sure if that’s human induced, what is your explanation for climate change?”

      Influence from the Sun…

      Which is why the CERN Cloud experiments are being designed in Switzerland at enormous cost.

      If the science was settled, why bring teh Super Collider into it at massive $$$

    • dovif says:

      12:10pm | 31/05/11

      Pers said

      What causes climate change, of course it is HUMAN

      Since climate has been changing since the drawn of time, and we have had Ice Ages and tropic weather in the Arctics, since before Human

      I have to say it is conclusive that Human is the cause of ALL Climate change, since the dawn of time

    • persephone says:

      12:37pm | 31/05/11

      L

      if the sun was getting hotter, someone would notice (and this is covered in the Climate Commission report, if you want to have a look).

      And the Supercollider was, I thought, intended to look at the circumstances surrounding the birth of the Universe.

      First time I’ve heard that it’s got anything to do with climate change.

      dovif

      Silly argument.

      As I’ve said before, the climate changes for a reason (unless you DO believe in Gaia and think the earth is a sentient being which can act on a whim).

      This climate change event is unusual - not unprecedented -  in the swiftness of the change.

      Usually when climate changes so quickly, the reason is obvious.

      In this case, the only unusual activity which could account for it is the increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

      We know those increased emissions are due to man’s activities.


      This is the first time

    • luke says:

      01:03pm | 31/05/11

      Nafe, humans are affecting the earth’s climate but don’t expect an answer about how the carbon tax imposed on Australians is going to cool the globe from carbon tax supporters because the only answer is it won’t and they are not honest enough to admit it.
      It is scientifically impossible for any carbon emissions reduction in Australia to have any effect on altering the earth’s climate. At the most Australia emits about 2% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions.

      It would be nice to know how much the carbon tax is going to raise and how much compensation is being given and what happens to the rest of the money. You hear people saying people will be better off with an extra 100-200 dollars in the pocket without releasing actual costings.

      Maybe someone can enlightened us?

    • L. says:

      01:13pm | 31/05/11

      @Pers…

      “if the sun was getting hotter, someone would notice (and this is covered in the Climate Commission report, if you want to have a look).”

      The CERN Cloud experiments investigating the Sun’s effect on climate change has nothing whatsoever to do with temperature.

      “CLOUD is an experiment that uses a cloud chamber to study the possible link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation.”

      Researchers have noted a dearth of sunspots (which is linked to more cosmic rays) during the ‘little ice age’ of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and a peak in sunspots (linked to a drop in cosmic rays) during the late 1980s, when global cloudiness dropped by about 3% (see Nature’s feature on the project). No one knows how big this effect might be, and the idea that it might account for a big chunk of the warming over the last century is highly controversial.

    • persephone says:

      02:08pm | 31/05/11

      Right, and as we’re talking about temperature rises, it therefore has nothing to do with climate change, either.

    • L. says:

      02:31pm | 31/05/11

      “Right, and as we’re talking about temperature rises, it therefore has nothing to do with climate change, either.”

      In my best Dr Evil voice….Righttt…

      Of course temps have an impact on climate….Global warming..??...Hottest decade in record history…retreating polar ice caps…

      Any of these AGW assertions ringing a bell..??

    • persephone says:

      04:23pm | 31/05/11

      L

      comprehension!!!

      Yes, the temperature is rising.

      You say CERN has nothing to do with temperature.

      Therefore it cannot explain global warming because it isn’t explaining the rise in temperature.

      Have had a look at the project, btw. If you can understand what it’s on about, you’re cleverer than I am (very likely).

      In which case, please explain it. Nothing there that I could see related to global warming.

    • L. says:

      05:14pm | 31/05/11

      @Pers

      “comprehension!!!”

      No..best you practice some. I never said the Cloud experiments had nothing to do with temps… I said:

      “The CERN Cloud experiments investigating the Sun’s effect on climate change has nothing whatsoever to do with temperature.”

      Meaning that the exeriments are not looking at the Sun’s temperature effect on Earth, but the Sun’s other effects, in this instance, cosmic rays.

      “Have had a look at the project, btw. If you can understand what it’s on about, you’re cleverer than I am (very likely).”

      It’s already complete..and the data is in.

      CLOUD has been running since 2006 and proved that cosmic rays bombarding Earth’s atmosphere may have an influence on the amount of cloud cover through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that seed cloud droplets).

      This result is supported by satellite measurements, which show a possible correlation between cosmic-ray intensity and the amount of low cloud cover. Clouds exert a strong influence on Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few percent have an important effect on the climate. Understanding the microphysics in controlled laboratory conditions is a key to unravelling the connection between cosmic rays and clouds.

      *** Just so you didn’t miss it***...“Clouds exert a strong influence on Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few percent have an important effect on the climate.”

      http://blogs.physicstoday.org/newspicks/2009/12/cerns-cloud-experiment.html

    • persephone says:

      06:40pm | 31/05/11

      L

      awful lot of ‘may’ and ‘possible’ type words there, if the science is in.

      Yes, read that site and a couple of others. I note that some other studies have found no correlation between lack of sun activity and increased cloud cover.

      Interesting that you want to run with this very very untested theory - supported by only a handful of scientists - rather than the very very tested one of AGW.

      I’m interested in why people are so reluctant to accept man’s role in this - some kind of guilt complex, I suppose.

    • persephone says:

      06:40pm | 31/05/11

      L

      awful lot of ‘may’ and ‘possible’ type words there, if the science is in.

      Yes, read that site and a couple of others. I note that some other studies have found no correlation between lack of sun activity and increased cloud cover.

      Interesting that you want to run with this very very untested theory - supported by only a handful of scientists - rather than the very very tested one of AGW.

      I’m interested in why people are so reluctant to accept man’s role in this - some kind of guilt complex, I suppose.

    • L. says:

      07:58pm | 31/05/11

      “awful lot of ‘may’ and ‘possible’ type words there, if the science is in.”

      Haha..you’re kidding, right? Have you seen the number of times the AGW luminaries have qualified their theories and predictions with ‘may’ and ‘possibly’ and ‘almost certinally’..?. Of course you have, but for some reason when they say may, possibly and almost it translates to “the debate is over”.

      I’m not running with this..CERN did, or did you miss that? CERN spent millions on this because they saw the merit.

      It was you after all who asked the question “what’s you explanation for climate change?”.

      Like it or not, you don’t get the grant or access to CERN unless you’re a scientific heavyweight.

    • Matt says:

      11:32pm | 31/05/11

      I’m interested in why people are so reluctant to question man’s role in this - some kind of guilt complex, I suppose.

    • Mitchell says:

      06:31am | 31/05/11

      Worldwide people see the economic and environmental opportunity that exists amongst all the danger of climate change.
      In Australia a lot of people incoherently ramble negativity and lightweight partisan dialogue in the hopes that it might take them back to some imagined golden age.
      An ad campaign isn’t going to change that.

    • And the Gold Logie award goes to... says:

      06:34am | 31/05/11

      My issue isnt Cate’s wealth. It’s the fact her opinion can be bought and paid for (she’s an actor after all), and given that she’s a hardcore Labor supporter (another known fact), there’s no way I can believe a word she says. Also exactly what makes Cate an expert on carbon?

      The above advert is laughable. I mean look at the construction guy, probably another bought and paid for actor.

      Speaking of money, exactly how much money did this Labor carbon tax propaganda advert cost the Australian taxpayer? And how much was Cate paid to be in the advert?

      I have several issues with the carbon tax:
      - How exactly will a tax force companies to become more environmentally friendly?
      - What is stopping companies from passing on this tax to the consumer?
      - Why has Labor not revealed detailed specifics about the tax?
      - Why is Labor still going ahead with the tax when the majority of Australians do not support it?

    • persephone says:

      07:51am | 31/05/11

      And the Gold Logie…

      Firstly, it’s contradictory to state that she’s saying what she’s saying because she’s been paid (and I think she donated her time in this case) and then that you can’t trust her because she supports Labor (which suggest that she’s saying what she thinks).

      Secondly, the ad cost the Australian taxpayer nothing - it was put together by a few non government organisations.

      As for your issues:

      1. By putting pressure on them to reduce emissions. They’re paying for them.

      To begin with, the incentive is that they’re paying a price for the emissions produced. Less emissions, lower price.

      So there’s an incentive, right there. And if your competitors are reducing emissions - and therefore their prices - they’ve got a competitive advantage.

      When it shifts to a trading scheme, there’s even more incentive, because any savings can be onsold.

      2. Nothing. Which is why consumers will be compensated.

      3. Because there’s a parliamentary committee - composed of independents, Greens and Labor (with a spot reserved for an interested Liberal) which is still working out the details.

      We can still talk about what it’s likely to look like with some degree of confidence, as we have the example of the CPRS and other similar schemes to look to.

      4, Not much evidence that they don’t.

      When Australians are asked if they support a carbon price where they will be compensated for price rises, the figure’s always above 50%.

      When they’re asked something like “will you support a carbon tax if it drives up prices” with no mention of compensation, they don’t.

      That said, there’s heaps of precedent for legislating something the majority of Australians are against - I don’t think the GST, for example, ever had majority support.

    • L. says:

      08:02am | 31/05/11

      “Speaking of money, exactly how much money did this Labor carbon tax propaganda advert cost the Australian taxpayer?”

      Nothing. It was paid for privately.

    • Crap Filter says:

      08:10am | 31/05/11

      A reply from “Climate change: Bugger Cate, we must ALL act” yesterday
      “As for Cate Blanchett she’s a rent a voice whore”

      Vs The Age today
      “Blanchett and actor Michael Caton appear in the commercials sponsored by a collective of third-party groups including the ACTU, GetUp! and the Australian Conservation Foundation. She was not paid.”

    • James of SA says:

      08:14am | 31/05/11

      persephone & L, actually the advert was partly funded by UNIONS who are afilliated with the LABOR PARTY. Which means it was union members who paid for this advert to support Labor.

      I wonder if the Unions asked their members if they could spend member’s money funding a Labor propoganda piece?

    • Kebabpete says:

      08:44am | 31/05/11

      @persephone - Who was it they asked about this to always get a response above 50%? Personally, my socio-economic group will likely not receive a cent in compensation which I don’t like, but its what I have to live with if I choose to live in this country. Yet, not one of my friends and/or family members who is in the ‘families’ group that will be compensated is in the magical 50% either.

    • Dave says:

      08:59am | 31/05/11

      @ James of SA - since when did unions EVER ask their members if they were happy with the usual propaganda they put out? Not all union members are ALP voters, yet have you ever seen a trade union campaign for anyone except the Labor Party? Have you ever seen the teachers’ or nurses’ union support the Liberal Party at election time? Is anyone seriously suggesting that EVERY teacher and nurse votes Labor?

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:00am | 31/05/11

      @ persephone the unions paid for the paid for the for the adds and they are using members funds to organise rallies

      See here http://www.asu.asn.au/media/general/20110524_climate.html

      At least one ex union member said he is not happy with that decision and has resigned his membership

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/its-a-bit-rich-to-gag-the-wealthy-on-carbon-pricing/

      The lack of credibility caused by Julia’s lie and the creation of the thought police style climate commission has a lot to do with people’s anger.

      Maybe they feel this is just another attempt to manipulate us and disguising the funding under the union banner is just another attempt at this manipulation.

      After all the unions is just another arm of the Labor party and to quote Prime Minister Bob Brown. “Australians are smarter than this and they don’t like to be patronized.”

      You do realize a lot of this beef comes back to AU for our consumption don’t you? We will have to reopen all the abattoirs that were closed down without a whisper when this practice started. Oh and get ready for the 400% price increase to pay for this.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:08am | 31/05/11

      Whoops. Sorry about the last bit!

    • Dave says:

      09:20am | 31/05/11

      @persephone - give one example of a survey that shows that more than 50% of the population support a carbon price where they will be compensated for price rises. And I don’t mean one that was commissioned by some left-wing think tank (a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one!).

    • Dash says:

      09:26am | 31/05/11

      @persephone - I’m sick of you bringing up compensation when you know as well as I do that two families polluting exactly the same will be descriminated against on the basis of income! that’s right, people will be expected to pay on the basis of what they earn not how they pollute!

      In other words nothing to do with punishing polluters and everything to do with wealth redistribution. You know that’s true! The policy will not change global temperatures by a single degree (the science says so), we continue to sell coal in increasing quantities and therefore the whole bloody thing is a is a fraud!

      And btw, who funded the adverts Perse? Tell us so we can all see the union movement and the lefty loonies for what they are.

      When do we get a democratic right to say Yes Persephone?? When’s the election on this issue given Gillard and Swan deliberately lied to the Australian people on the eve of the last election.

    • persephone says:

      09:30am | 31/05/11

      ZSRenn

      Yes, the campaign is partly funded by the unions. So what?

      Plenty of groups fund political ads without firstly consulting every person who contributes to their group as to whether it’s OK with them.

      er, why the reference to beef?? Are you on the wrong thread?

    • Sherlock says:

      09:53am | 31/05/11

      persephone says: Nothing. Which is why consumers will be compensated.

      Really? How much of the tax is going to be paid to consumers as compensation? 100%? 75%? 25%?

      Persephone and her ALP cronies are trying to convince you that a tax on companies isn’t eventually paid for by the consumer. In other words they think you are idiots.

      A cursory look at the tax makes it obvious to a pre-schooler that Australians can’t possibly be fully compensated. All you need to do is look at Europe and California to see the effects of a carbon tax and it ain’t pretty

    • persephone says:

      11:23am | 31/05/11

      Dave

      delighted to.

      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/carbon-tax-winning-voters-but-conditions-attached/story-fn7x8me2-1226034308351

      ‘The poll, ...found 66 per cent of voters in favour, 23 per cent were opposed and 10 per cent had no opinion’

      As I say, it depends on how the question is asked.

      Sherlock

      Greg Combet said, in Parliament Question Time yesterday:

      http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Dataset:hansardr,hansards ((ResponderId_Phrase:YW6)) Date:30/05/2011;rec=0;resCount=Default

      ‘’....every cent raised by the payment of the carbon price by those entities will go to assisting households meet any price impacts, supporting jobs and competitiveness in the trade exposed part of the economy and supporting clean energy programs.’

      And, I repeat, no one is denying that costs will be passed on to the consumer. That’s why there’s a compensation package.

      Zac

      wrong.

      Just because an organisation receives funding from the government in one form or another does not make it a government organisation.

      My soccer club just received a grant from the government to upgrade sporting equipment. That doesn’t make it a government organisation.

      The Liberal party receives money from the government - via the Electoral Commission - that doesn’t make it a government organisation.

    • And the Gold Logie award goes to... says:

      11:51am | 31/05/11

      Persephone, you using a NewsLtd poll from nearly 2 months ago as a source for your belief that the majority of Australians support the climate tax?

      “The poll of 1036 people to be released today…”

      I think the fact that they ONLY polled 1036 people out of several MILLION says it all. Not to mention the poll is TWO MONTHS out of date.

    • persephone says:

      12:41pm | 31/05/11

      Gold Logie

      if governments are meant to change their policies on a monthly basis, nothing would ever get done.

      And 1000+ is considered quite respectable in a poll. People here put a lot of faith in polls with far smaller numbers.

      Anyway, I was asked to produce an example of a poll which showed support for the carbon price was above 50%. There were no qualifiers on that.

      I take it, btw, that I’ve answered your questions for you? Or have I simply shown that you really weren’t interested in the answers to begin with, but was just trying your hand at being a concern troll?

    • T S Sebastien says:

      01:24pm | 31/05/11

      Technically taxpayers have partially paid for the advertisement if you consider that the entities that paid for it pay no tax and that contributions to these groups are tax deductible (i.e. effectively the Government kicks in to compensate donors or fees to the Unions and Conservation Society).

    • luke says:

      01:48pm | 31/05/11

      The gold logie goes to ...... the politician who is dishonest as they come, able to turn surpluses into debt with the help of a lame duck treasurer, build school halls without adhering to good fiscal management, send asylum seekers families to a torture camp for a healthy dose of canings and not without help from boyfriend Tim with his never ending supply of red hair dye… drumroll…..... and the winner for telling people before the last election ‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’ is Julia Gillard .....

    • Craig says:

      04:04pm | 31/05/11

      Some long bows being drawn to try and say the ad campaign is a government funded campaign. It is clearly not. The funniest one being because donations are tax deductable. Really, surely you are being sarcastic.

    • BarraBob says:

      06:35am | 31/05/11

      It is not the actors in this add that are the problem it is the story that the add is trying to portray. Black smog filled skies supposedly from carbon dioxide pollution before the tax is introduced and as soon as the tax is introduced the sun comes out and the sky is clear blue. In the background is a British coal fired power station that has been decomissioned for some time and in all probility replaced with a carbon dioxide free nuclear power station. If they were suggesting that we switch our power generation to nuclear the add may have some merit but as it stands it is an insult to our intelligence and is way off the mark of the message it is trying to get across.

    • Joan says:

      07:47am | 31/05/11

      Yep its all phoney, and as phoney as any film character or Hollywood film set .... and more like propaganda than the real truth….. staring Carbon Cate out to save the world so she can look her kids in the face.

    • Stiffy says:

      09:17am | 31/05/11

      @barrabob - Nuclear. not likely after Japan. Germany has just announced that they are to phase out their Nuclear plants. Thought labor might have picked up on TA for saying Japan has opted out of it’s Kyoto commitments. Struth the poor country has just been devastated.
      Bob if you want Nuclear, lets put it near your place. Actually the same goes for those big ugly and noisy wind turbines. If they are to be put anywhere it should be off shore like they have in Copenhagen.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:28am | 31/05/11

      Not as Phoney as Tony (Abbott) Joan, who has mastered deception and propaganda and made it ito an art form.
      It is also just a matter of time before two Sydney radio ‘shock jocks’ are welcomed into the Liberal National party Opposition and given the positions of Opposition Ministers of Propaganda.

    • Joan says:

      02:39pm | 31/05/11

      ChristianReal. ...backstabber Juliar of the lies… ` there will be No Carbon Tax… heads the ministery of propaganda just looking at her dirty lying track record

    • mel says:

      03:26pm | 31/05/11

      “.....There will be no carbon tax….......”  The Deceitful Gillard

    • Christian Real says:

      03:49pm | 31/05/11

      Joan & Mel
      Like appeasing clones you both echo the diatribe of Tony Abbott and two well known Sydney shock jocks,who are akin to propaganda ministers for the Liberal/National party.
      Julia Gilard said in an interview on the eve of the last Federal election that if she won, she would see it as a mandate for “carbon pricing’, it it Tony “Don’t believe everything I say”  Abbott, who is calling it a carbon tax.
      Tony Abbott would not know “The Gospel Truth” if it bite him on the bum.

    • loulou says:

      05:34pm | 31/05/11

      Real Christian,  No diatribe going on.  Her Slyness said “There will be no tax…....”  The Goose backed her “...hysterical claims..”  Were you out of the country?

    • Christian Real says:

      06:37pm | 31/05/11

      Skip to my loulou
      Your brain obvious missed a beat for you to come up with that comment, the point that you Liberal clones continue to miss or conveniently overlook is that she Julia Gillard said:, on the eve of the Federal election, that she was prepared to legislate ‘A Carbon Price’ in the next term.
      She said that she rules out ’ A Carbon Tax’, Tony Abbott is the only one calling it ’ A Carbon tax’,while Julia Gillard is ‘Preparing to legislate,a Carbon Price’, like she had promised to do in the next term of Government..

    • Christian Real says:

      07:15pm | 31/05/11

      Joan, Mel and loulou,
      Tony Abbott seems to have contradicted his argument of falsely claiming and echoing that this is a ‘Carbon Tax”, that Julia Gillard is proposing to legislate.
      Here are some extracts in a story in the ‘Herald Sun’,  “Julia Gillard strikes a deal with greens on carbon Pricing”,written by Phillip Hudson, February 24,2011 @ 11.46 AM.
      “The Prime Minister today announced a carbon price would start on July 1, 2012 if she could get legislation passed in federal parliament.”
      In another paragraph of the same story:
      “Mr Abbott said a carbon price - which has yet to be set - would push up the average family power bill by $300 a year and fuel prices by 6.5 cents a litre.”
      What I am pointing out that after Tony Abbott continually echoing that it was “A Carbon Tax”, he has finally admitted and conceded that it is “A Carbon Price”, which means that all his accusations that Julia Gilliard lied to the Australian people are baseless and he has lost even more credibility as a Leader.
      This is what Julia Gillard said prior to the last Federal Election in an interview with “The Australian”
      “Julia Gillard’s Carbon Price promise”, written by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan, August 20, 2010@ 12.00AM.
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term”
      She has therefore taken a ‘Carbon Price” to the people in the last election, and Tony Abbott’s ranting and raving won’t change that fact, he has lost all credibility as a Leader.

    • Mouse says:

      09:28pm | 31/05/11

      Christian Real, gillard did in fact promise “no carbon tax” pre-election.  She lied after the election when she first proposed the tax, saying that she never said it but after having her statment thrown back at her time and time again, she finally admitted to it in February of this year.  She did say before the election that she looking at a carbon price, or ETS, if after a 2 year consensus agreed with it and if she was elected. There is a definite difference between a carbon tax and a carbon price, as the government fixes a price for the carbon tax and the market fixes the price on the other. This is why people are so pissed off at her. She went to an election saying NO to a carbon tax and then said YES straight after the election. Abbott in fact is correct, it is a carbon tax, so gilliard lied to the Australian people and has lost even more credibility as a Leader.

    • loulou says:

      10:40pm | 31/05/11

      Christian Real, UnReal:  You don’t know what “appease” means, do you?  Let you off that one - it is a fairly big word.  Your devotion to Julia Gillard has blinded you to her deceit.  This can happen.  You’re not to blame.  Heartening for the Plodding One to know she has a loyal fan.  You write to her?

    • Christian Real says:

      04:14am | 01/06/11

      skip to my loulou
      You ask if I write to Julia Gillard, yes I do at times,but I also write to Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull, Bob Brown and most of the other political figures as well.

    • loulou says:

      09:50am | 01/06/11

      Christian Real Really a pleasant response.  No shots across the bow this morning.  Warming to you

    • Gregg says:

      06:39am | 31/05/11

      There may be people who have Cate and Micky getting up their nose Penbo and I agree that they have as much right as anyone to say their bit and if they or anyone want to put their money up for advertisements, so be it but as for criticism of that being over the top, is the claim of that also not a bit over the top?
      ” The attacks on Blanchett have been particularly personal and aggressive. The National Party’s Barnaby Joyce directly accused her of risking people’s lives – “you’re really going to hurt people Cate, you really are” – while others honed in on the actor’s extravagant property in Hunter’s Hill, on Sydney’s Lower North Shore, as evidence that she is some kind of fraud. Much was made of the fact that she had installed some 32 solar panels on the roof of the harbourside property, as if it said something about her obscene wealth. A more reasonable analysis is that all it shows is that she is prepared to put her money where her mouth is. “

      Barnaby Joyce will always speak his mind, whether you want to agree with what he says or not and another interpretation of what he is saying is that the Carbon Tax is going to hurt a lot of people financially, not to mention Australia as a whole and whose interpretation is ” risking lives “
      It is Micky who has mentioned Cates display of commitment with Solar panels from what I have seen of him being interviewed.

      In Parliament, TA led the charge and stated [ if cynically ] that of course wealthy people have a right to be heard with references to Cate’s lifestyle but also that every Australian has that same right, a right denied us at the polling booth.

      If you want to talk of some playing of the person, what is your call on Tony Abbott referring to policies and yet Gillard is always on the personal attack, her reference to the No, the negative and rabbit burrows so sickening when she can clear the air on many policies by calling an election she refuses to do - so who is the No person and who plays the man!

    • nossy says:

      08:31am | 31/05/11

      @Gregg - hey Greggy didnt Anthony Albanese play the man well yesterday in Parliament when he yelled across the Despatch Boxes to Tones “NO, NO,NO, NO , NO !”  - poor Tones looked sheepish as he had his real identity revealed to all and recorded in Hansard - Dr NO was in the House aka Tony the One Trick Pony ! And if that wasnt enough to rub salt into Tones wounds the very man who gave him his start in politics, John hewson, and ex leader of the federal Liberal party himself nailed Tones as a “Master of the Negative” saying poor Tones was milking it for all he was worth - which isnt much we hear the poor lad having a $700k mortgage to service at his time in life ! ohhow sweet it is !

    • persephone says:

      09:31am | 31/05/11

      Even more interestingly, nossy, Abbott admitted that the carbon price would be permanent.

      So either he’s not going to roll it back, or he doesn’t expect to get elected.

    • Dash says:

      10:48am | 31/05/11

      @ nossy and Perse - Lets do a comparison shall we:

      Abbott: Volunteer Firefighter
      Gillard: No community volunteering ever
      Abbott: Volunteer Lifesaver
      Gillard: No community volunteering ever
      Abbott: Volunteer Aboriginal community teacher
      Gillard: No community volunteering ever
      Abbott: Economics degree
      Gillard: No economics degree
      Abbott: Married
      Gillard: Affair with married men
      Abbott: Three children and a home mortgage
      Gillard: No mortgage and no children
      Abbott Catholic Faith
      Gillard: Atheist
      Abbott: Successful Health Minister
      Gillard: minister responsible for BER rorts
      Abbott: Supported his PM
      Gillard: Stabbed her PM in the back
      Abbott: His gov left $20b surplus and repaid ALP $96b debt
      Gillard: Her gov over 100 Billion debt. Borrowing 130 mill a day
      Abbott:Always a member of the Liberal Party
      Gillard: Documented links to the communist party
      Abbott: Needs Liberal votes to win office
      Gillard: Needs Green preference & bribed independents to win
      Abbott: Rhodes scholar
      Gillard: Fabian socialist society
      Abbott: Has not changed his standing
      Gillard: “Real Julia” revealed compared to fake Julia
      Abbott: LNP Stopped the boats
      Gillard:  Says ” Another boat another policy failure” when in opposition but has no idea in government
      Abbott: Chosen opposition leader
      Gillard: Un-elected PM (TWICE)

      Hmmm - quite a stark contrast there eh guys.

    • NicoleG says:

      11:23am | 31/05/11

      Dash…........Love it!!!!  smile

    • persephone says:

      11:26am | 31/05/11

      Dash

      which proves exactly what about carbon pricing?

    • nossy says:

      12:32pm | 31/05/11

      @persephone - option 2 there persephone if you see the latest Newspoll Abbott AGAIN has failed to best Gillard as Preffered PM - in fact he went back some points and Gillard gained points - as I have said many times Dr NO is Labors greatest asset - ohh how sweet it is !

    • Bruce says:

      12:47pm | 31/05/11

      Dash: Well done ! Now you can see why Tony Abbott appeals to blue collar workers !

    • Philby says:

      12:57pm | 31/05/11

      Dash, your comment is ridiculous, first what does it have to do with this discussion and the moment you add religious beliefs into a poltical arena I think you loose the point. Also what makes a family person better than one who hasn’t? Again this makes you loose the point. No economics degree, so what I wonder how many CEO’s running companies have every qualification needed, perhaps that’s whay they have people around them. Stabbed PM in the back, wow short memory, Abbott stabbed Malcolm in the back, remember? No volunteer work, come on better arguments please. Abbott not changing his standing, again very short memory, I won’t even list this one. Some of the others you are correct, but you know what no one is perfect, we are all different in some way, what does this have to do with this discussion?

    • Dash says:

      04:29pm | 31/05/11

      @Philby, it’s just a list, read from it what you like! Shows both of them up to be quite different personalities.

      What it adds to this discussion is that Gillard is a raving socialist and she has been following socialist policies since she was forced upon us as PM.

      The Carbon tax policy is nothing more than an exercise in socialist wealth redistribution. Anyone who believes it is truely about the environment is so stupid it beggars belief!

      Nossy is great at ripping into Abbott, I thought I’d just try to (tounge in cheek) throw something back at him for a change. No malice intended.

      Oh btw, stabbing the democratically elected PM in the back compared to changing opposition leader is a massive difference in my eyes.

      And yes CEOs often don’t have economics degrees but CFOs generally do. The people who look after the finances tend to know something about finance.

    • Gregg says:

      06:27am | 01/06/11

      @Philby,
      I’d reckon Dash’s contribution is far more constructive than anything usually coming out of percy on the nosh pit and taking your own comments, you raise a couple of points on Dash’s list and just one of them fpor instance ” Also what makes a family person better than one who hasn’t “

      A family man may not necessarily be better than a person without one, nor a religious person for that matter better than an athiest and it is the experience in life person has that may help to shape views and values, volunteering for the community being another area that will do likewise.

      Now, the government ministers can all line up like that Conga line with their No chanting but when it comes down to reality, who is looking so sick and pathetic!

    • Against the Man says:

      06:41am | 31/05/11

      ‘The PM looks like she is dancing to the tune of the Greens purely because of the disastrous quirk of democracy at last year’s election, where no-one actually won, and she decided to break her own promise of not introducing a carbon tax in order to form government.’ David Penberthy
      Very good point and what does this say about her Mr School Teacher aka Seano?

      Has this government lost its way?
      Time to replace Gilltard or this government?
      Oh…...so one set of backstabbing rules for Rudd and another for Gilltard?

      Getting these Hollywood types to sell policy and tell the real, hardworking, taxpaying people what to do because we apparently don’t understand climate issues, well done Gilltard!

      So are Cate/Michael pro Asylum seeker caning and abuse in Malaysia? Why no ads about that? Are they pro tobacco? C’mon cigerettes are bad so why no pro plain packaging ads? Maybe the Tobacco lobby can hurt their careers and stop them from being richer than $50 million dollars? Oh the struggles of the rich smile

      Game is over for Gilltard and her loser supporters on the Punch! Yeah!!!!

    • TChong says:

      07:38am | 31/05/11

      “Are they pro tobacco” ? “C’mon cigarettes are bad” just a day or two ago you were all pro tobacco AtM , whats changed?
      “Maybe the Tobacco Lobby can hurt their careers “
      Thats nice . Dont criticise the Tobacco Lobby , otherwise you come of 2nd best.
      Triple back flip from AtM.

    • Flexo says:

      07:56am | 31/05/11

      I wouldn’t expect a sensible answer from Seano, he has neither the intelligence nor the balls to answer any questions that challenge him. He is clearly an embarrassment to the ALP troll lobby. I can’t believe this guy is a teacher; does the teachers’ union need to investigate this moron?

    • Seano says:

      10:09am | 31/05/11

      @Flexo & @AtM

      You can’t keep it sane and impersonal.  You contribute nothing beyond spite, hate and lunacy.

      Therefore I don’t bother debating lowlife trolls and their sock puppets.

    • Flexo says:

      12:14pm | 31/05/11

      Seano you have as much hate as ATM, you must think we have the mentality of the 6 year olds you teach if you believe otherwise.

      You don’t debate because you have nothing to defend your favourite political party. Don’t be childish, grow up and take some responsibility for your convictions!

    • Seano says:

      12:39pm | 31/05/11

      AtM (Flexo) - I don’t debate you or your sock puppets because there is no point in debating a troll who thinks calling someone they’ve never met and know nothing about “fat” is a winning argument is entirely pointless.

      If you are goIng to lead with insults and follow incoherent rants you’re not going to be taken seriously by anyone whose opinion you so desperately seek to change.

      It’s you who needs to grow up. And if you think name calling and sock puppets are grown up then you seriously need help.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:38pm | 31/05/11

      TChong did you know the inability to detect sarcasm is an early sign of dementia! HaHa that might explain why you are Mr No Credibility aka Mr I don’t vote Labor winkwink! So rather than address my point you choose to distract, silly chongy it only makes you look pathetic!

      As for Seano, I will type slowly so that you can understand what I am saying:
      Seano _is_a_coward_who _is_scared_to_debate_me smile

      Have a nice days cowards, the polls say you lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ps: Seano, lose some weight fatso, have you no respect for your body? smile

    • Seano says:

      02:22pm | 31/05/11

      Seek help.

    • gytr says:

      06:42am | 31/05/11

      I agree with what you’re saying here in the article, however I think there’s also a realisation or opinion within the general public that the mining magnates and business executives who are opposing the tax are also heading companies that employ tens of thousands of people across the nation.

      Where as the actors come across as self serving in their own beliefs.

      If a CEO or Mining Magnate has to slash employment levels in order to remain competitive in the global market has a lot more effect than an actor throwing a tantrum because they didn’t get the right flowers in their trailer, or warm towels to wipe their face with, or the general population is not listening to their message.

    • jb says:

      06:46am | 31/05/11

      I think the point here and pretty much the only point is that Australians are being asked to say ‘yes’  to something that we don’t even know the question to.
      The problem is not that Blanchett and Caton are supporting and want support for a cause they believe in it is that either they know the full details of the carbon tax and its follow on effect or are they simply using their celebrity to trick people into following and supporting their cause.
      The problem is that it is incredibly arrogant and our Govt have zero credibility in delivering the goods or in fact sticking to their word, so even if they say the price will be 10 bucks a tonne will it still be that price in 1 or 2 years time?

    • Anubis says:

      09:12am | 31/05/11

      And we are being asked to say Yes when we are not being given a choice. At the least this issue should go to Referendum, preferably it is a matter which should be addressed through the Ballot Box. Both PM Gillard and Treasurer Swan made it clear on the last days leading to the election that there will be no Carbon Tax in the coming term of Government. Statements made clearly to garner a few more votes, because as soon as practicable after the election we saw Gillard’s Green’s induced Back-flip, double twist to start to push this unpalatable policy on to the Australian people. A policy which will do absolutely nothing to remedy perceived climate problems. As far as the PM’s claims that the money raised will go toward research into alternate energy sources(after compensation to low income earners and trade affected industries - plus the mandatory tithe to the UN/IPCC), what a load of bollocks. She is on record now as saying that the Carbon Tax “Pot-o-money” could go toward building new roads, railways and infrastructure. WTF - pick our pockets for a cause and then redirect the funds to a different cause? And where are the Greenies protesting this - won’t new roads and railways produce more of your bad, bad, bad Co2 emissions?

    • AnthonyG says:

      07:04am | 31/05/11

      Look at it the other way.If it wasn’t for “global warming” the drought wouldn’t have broken. If it keeps up we might even be able to use most of the centre of Australia for agriculture. I say bring it on. With every negative there is a posative. Like markets when someone wins ,someone else loses so let it be and use it to your advantage. But this world scare campaign will fund the governments retirement packages and little else. We have a chance to say no to a new tax and yet we have a section of the public that wants it. Forever hold their peace when they can’t afford the price of living. Even dole budgers have to bye food/fuel etc

    • nossy says:

      09:36am | 31/05/11

      @AnthonyG - hows your FREE electricity coming along Tony ?  hahhaahha

    • AnthonyG says:

      10:08am | 31/05/11

      Going well Nossy thanks for asking. When Nick has the heater going flat out all day the house is like a sauna. when I get home I have to sit upstairs with the aircondi going flat out to counteract it.
      Have you recieved that Flaggon I sent you last week or have you finished it already.

    • AnthonyG says:

      07:07am | 31/05/11

      You can’t blame Global warming for the damage around Brissy Last sommer. You can blame greedy councils and stupid people for that one.

    • Bev says:

      07:59am | 31/05/11

      My daughter as for my advice as what things she should check on about the property she was considering buying. One thing I suggested was go check the council flood maps. She did, didn’t buy bought elseware. The originally considered property flooded.

    • dovif says:

      07:27am | 31/05/11

      David Said

      The decision of actors Cate Blanchett and Michael Caton to front advertisements supporting the Federal Government’s climate change policies has been denounced as a shocking act of impertinence by a pair of cashed-up lefties who have no right to enter the debate.

      I agree completely, they are not scientist and therefore have very little reason or right to enter the debate, she might be able to tell me how to get into a character, how to wear make up, but she is as useful as my pet dog in telling me about climate change

      If they were saying they drive a eco-friendly car, or do not catch international flights, or live in a small eco-friendly house. They can tell us, and show us by example.

      Alternatively our parlimentarians can tell us the truth, ie there will not be a Carbon tax…, drive a taxpayer funding “GREEN CAR” which only 3 of about 85 ALP parliamentary team have even choosen, which really shows what the ALP really think about climate change

      Action speak louder then words, when Cate and the ALP does what she preach, I will start listening

    • PTom says:

      09:55am | 31/05/11

      “I agree completely, they are not scientist and therefore have very little reason or right to enter the debate”
      So does implie to any polly or media jock too?

      “drive a eco-friendly car, or do not catch international flights, or live in a small eco-friendly house.”
      Do know how she lives or what car she drives?
      http://www.autochic.com.au/reviews/news/stars/Cate-Blanchett-goes-green/

      Well before this ad. I guess she does understand something about what she is supporting and by your logic cen tell how to live.

      So when are you going to start listening and stop whinging.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:48am | 31/05/11

      @dovif, if the criteria for entering the debate on climate change was being a scientist, I doubt anyone on this site would qualify.

      It does nothing for your argument to claim that some people have no right to comment.

    • dovif says:

      11:41am | 31/05/11

      Ptom and Rover

      What I am saying is that people who drives big free public funded car, who emitts massive amount of CO2, should not be able to force us into paying a Carbon tax.

      The Parliamentarians gets a free car, they do not pay a cent, the public pay for it. If the whole ALP including Julia, thinks so little of Climate change, that when they have a choice for a free car, decides not to choose a environmentally friendly car.  The ALP are saying they believe so little in climate change, that they would do nothing when it is free, they do not have rights to impose it on the rest of us.

      In a 10 month period, Julia has told Rudd to drop the ETS, said no to the Carbon tax, said yes to the Carbon tax and then said she prefer the ETS.

      People who keep switching policy position, and drives a non-ecofriendly car, like julia should not be dictating public policy, knowing she already have 4 positions in the last 10 months. How do we know what will be her final position.

      As for Cate, she has earning millions from an industry that produces Carbon, or relies on Carbon to make money, ie TV, filming, Movies, Car chase etc. She should be doing a lot more with her money

    • PTom says:

      12:54pm | 31/05/11

      dovif,
      Well done, So now it is not Cate it is the industry she is in and her not doing more.

      What like the greening of the Sydney Therate Company or the funding she provided to a Solar start-up company.

    • Shelldrake says:

      07:37am | 31/05/11

      Apparently Cate has said something along the lines of “if you dont say yes—you dont love your childeren”—Really Cate ???—its this delusional bullshit—a holier than thou guilt trip from a person allegedly worth 54 million ???—how about saying yes to world peace—yes to eradicating malnutrition and disease in third word countries—yes to a cure for cancer and aids—or osrting out education,health and a myriad of social issues in THIS country—yes to anything that may actually give measurable tangible results—NOT yes to something that will make you feel warm and fuzzy and will actually achieve NOTHING—sorry Cate—“doing my bit to save the world”—what utter bullshit !!!—I love my kids enough to say NO

    • Peter says:

      01:31pm | 31/05/11

      If your care enough to post a coment you should at least have seen the ad, I sure its on the iternet somewhere.
      Otherwise you are just looking for any excuse and should be ignored.

    • Kim says:

      07:41am | 31/05/11

      Give me the chance to say no Juliar, and these Actors are not asking me to say yes they are attempting to brow beat me into submission.

    • loulou says:

      08:37am | 31/05/11

      @Kim   Absolutely true.  Give me the chance to say NO.

    • PTom says:

      10:00am | 31/05/11

      Stop whinging you had two chance already. You have had last 2 election to vote for people against taking action on climate change.

      Yet the majority voted for the 4 Major parties (ALP,Liberal, Green and Nationals) which all have policy on taking action on climate change.

    • Charles says:

      07:42am | 31/05/11

      The problem is not so much the wealth of the actors, but the fact they look and sound ill-informed, and are also guilty of gross hypocrisy.

      Fine for someone to tell all those who don’t have a lot to pull their belt in evenr further, and wish to disposses them of the ability to fly and travel, or even to dream of a better life.

      All the while they are promising no privation on their own lives, and in the case of Blanchette, is using tax-payer subsidised solar panels and feed-in tarriffs paid up by relatively poor electricity consumers who can’t afford to put panels up, to pay her electricity bills.  It is too much for the average person to swallow.

    • Greg says:

      07:50am | 31/05/11

      The biggest attackers on Cate have been News Corp (who are now (typically) pointing fingers in all directions but themselves in the interest of providing ‘balance’).

    • Dash says:

      10:27am | 31/05/11

      Have you read the socialist bullshit in the Fairfax press??? Come on man!

    • Roger Ramjet says:

      07:51am | 31/05/11

      “We have seen the usual procession of anonymous haters line the pair up over their supposedly unwelcome foray into publc policy arena”.

      Not accurate. Most News Ltd journos are bylined nowadays…

    • Abe says:

      07:51am | 31/05/11

      I don’t care that Cate is rich but I care that she is a hyocrite, how big is her carbon footprint? How many air miles has clocked up in the last 10 years resulting in how much c02?
      Cate, you fly everywhere and you make movies for a living which also means hundreds of extra flights for crew and cast plus who know’s how much power used.
      I don’t care about any of that but I do care about your rampant hypocrisy.

    • Philby says:

      01:03pm | 31/05/11

      Nice one PTom, so many people here comment with views expressed by others and taken on without research because it’s easier.

    • Abe says:

      08:32am | 01/06/11

      Your kidding aren’t you PTom?

      * Switched her household power supply to GreenPower
      * Installed a water-efficient shower head in her house
      * Washes her clothes in cold water
      * Installed adequate roof installation
      * Reduces her household electricity and gas usage by 20 per cent
      * Installed a solar, hot water heater.

      She does those things, which alot of us also do, because she feels guilty about jetting around the world releasing more C02 in a year than my family will pump out in ten.

      Infact the only thing off that list I haven’t done is reduce domestic travel by one flight a year, that is because my last domestic flight was around five years ago!
      My you are easlily impressed.

    • Michael says:

      07:53am | 31/05/11

      This whole “thing” is not about a bunch of celebrities supporting the environment - it’s about a bunch of publicity sluts supporting a political idea… A tax. If the concern was for the environment, great…

      The rest of the world (Europe, as it is where carbon has been taxed), had 20 years of social and political adjustment prior to a carbon price being set. They had massive pushes for bicycles as trasport, low wattage light bulbs, power generation… You name it. London was almost carbon neutral BEFORE a carbon tax was introduced. THAT is concern for the environment.

      What we have here is a bunch of publicity sluts jumping on the latest wave of public concern - not supporting action for social change for the environment, but supporting a political movement.

      Another issue here is that we have a labor government whose attitude is that money talks. The rest of us, who do not have the millions to have a voice, just have to wear it. How is that the “labor way”? Who will speak up for the rest of us?

    • John Jones says:

      07:54am | 31/05/11

      The Adverts were funded by private organizations? Dont you mean organizations which have funds given to them by the Labor Government???

    • Joan says:

      07:54am | 31/05/11

      Nahh , there`s nothing over the top about bagging the ad. the ad is nothing but a piece of propaganda with no real facts, phoney sets, with actors parotting fed lines. A pack of galahs squawking yes. It deserves to be bagged and anyone noteworthy starring in this piece of propaganda deserves the bagging they get.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:04am | 31/05/11

      Remember “Its Time” when the celebtities came out for another Labor clown and we suffered yet again until the Governor General showed some guts and kicked them out. This reeks of the same only worse as these priveledged people, one who only holidays in Australia have been conned into supporting a Tax that will hit the lower paid where it hurts most and will do nothing to stop the increase in CO2 across the world. Its a tax designed to boost the coffers of a negligent Government who have wasted billions of our dollars on failed policies and in truth would be flat out running a two ticket raffle sucessgully. The Government says it will compenstate the lower paid on one hand and now states that it will need a huge department to run this tax on nothing for nothing which will eat away at any compenstation that was mooted. The people have woken up to the fact that anything and everything this government says should be taken with a grain of salt as promises only last until its deemed necessary to break them to stay in power which is tyhe only thing that really matters to these clowns. The fact that tere are 22 million people out there that need a good government means nothing as long as they have their government cars and all the lurks and perks that go with the job and that includes the Greens and the Independants who are without doubt the Australia equivalent of Brutus, stabbing their electors in the back for financial gain and position.

    • DJ says:

      08:18am | 31/05/11

      Yep I can’t wait for the movie “How we can face our kids” starring Carbon Cate and “I love the smell of Two Stroke” Caton.  Cashed up lefties, you got that right Penbo. Next we will see you and Farr in the next ad with Bob Brown and a cast from the Actor’s Guild all arm in arm singing “It’s Time to tax the masses”

    • loulou says:

      08:46am | 31/05/11

      @DJ Brilliantl I love it.  I can see them arm in arm.

    • majority says:

      08:23am | 31/05/11

      As was said yesterday,

      Just Say Yes = Just Shut Up

    • jb says:

      08:24am | 31/05/11

      Actually Cate, here’s a novelty, hows about you have a chat to your pal Juliar G and see if she cant divert some of that money she tossed around to the building and retail union jobs for our very own film industry?
      In case you had your head in the sand checking the crusts temperature on the surface the Australian film industry was burning to a pulp.
      Most of the Australian crews can’t afford their mortgages now let alone when this redistribution of wealth tax is implemented…
      Oh when was the last time you made a film here by the way?

    • Paddy says:

      08:28am | 31/05/11

      Do some people recognise the old glass house in this advert or is it a case of the hypocrisy being so blatant the natives dare to point out the obvious.
      I love it when so few take themselves so seriously they need to take it upon themselves to point out to the great unwashed it is not their position in life to dare comment let alone speak above a whisper.
      I am truly surprised the Yank with a monthly $2,500 power bill and unable to spell potato has not been included in the advert, afterall, he is the messiah.

    • David says:

      08:29am | 31/05/11

      The actual carbon tax shouldnt be the debate here. The fact that the PM hasnt got a mandate for this issue is the problem. “There wont be a carbon tax in a government I lead” is going to haunt her and the Labor Party for a very long time. We all knew before that that politicians couldnt be trusted but to lie to our faces is a new low in political deception. It is pretty simple, have an election and let the MAJORITY decide what is best for the country. This wont happen because the MAJORITY will boot out the minorities as a true democracy should be

    • PTom says:

      10:18am | 31/05/11

      The MAJORITY have in the last 2 election.

      You are just a whinger that is upset because the MAJORITY are not listening to your fringe group.

    • TimB says:

      11:00am | 31/05/11

      PTom, the MAJORITY did NOT vote for a Carbon tax last election.

      It wasn’t on the table. It was explicitly OFF the table.

      And even so Julia leads what they call a “MINORITY” Government. Big clue in capitals for you.

      The ALP did not campaign on a platform of a carbon tax. I’m fairly certain neither Oakeshott or Windsor did either.

      For you to claim that the “majority” support this tax despite every single poll pointing to the contrary, is the height of arrogance and deception.

      The supporters of the tax are the minority. They are the fringe. And you’re a part of it.

    • PTom says:

      01:57pm | 31/05/11

      TimB,

      My comment was to the last part of his comments nothing about the tax.
      “It is pretty simple, have an election and let the MAJORITY decide what is best for the country. This wont happen because the MAJORITY will boot out the minorities as a true democracy should be”

      But since you asked
      “persephone says:11:23am | 31/05/11

      Dave

      delighted to.

      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/carbon-tax-winning-voters-but-conditions-attached/story-fn7x8me2-1226034308351”

      “For you to claim that the “majority” support this tax despite every single poll pointing to the contrary, is the height of arrogance and deception”
      When did I do that unlike like you have just tried to do and failed.

      Since the last election a minority are whinging about “true democracy” will what about the majority of people in this country that have voted for Action on Climate Change for the last 2 election, which has been supported in countless polls. Don’t we have rights to speak too.

    • TimB says:

      02:52pm | 31/05/11

      @ PTom-

      “My comment was to the last part of his comments nothing about the tax.”

      His entire comment was about the tax, and how Gillard has inflicted it upon us without giving us the chance to vote on it.

      Action on climate change =/= Carbon tax. Just because you might have a majority in favour of action, it does NOT mean that you have a majority in favour of the tax.

      As you say the Liberals & Nationals also had a plan to deal with climate change. It did not include a carbon tax.

      Stop trying to deliberately confuse the issue.

      As for your “poll” (lol)

      A) It was comissioned by the Greens.
      B) It’s run by the left-leaning Essential Media.
      C) Look at the question:

      “People were asked if they supported or opposed a price on carbon that would tax the biggest polluting industries and return all the money to compensate households and business and provide investment in climate change schemes such as renewable energy.”

      First off, how can you return ALL the money to households but still provide investment into renewables? The question is already flawed.

      Secondly, the question does not reflect the actual tax as it stands now. Only *half* the revenue is apparently going to be returned as compensation now. And there’s no mention of compensation to businesses.  And the question neglects to mention *which* households are being compensated- we’re already hearing rumblings that it’s only those deemed “low income”.

      So in summary your “evidence” that you claim shows majority support for the Carbon tax, is a poll commissioned and conducted by those already in favour of the tax, and doesn’t actually question people on the *actual* Carbon tax itself, just a hypothetical version of it.

      Way to go. You’ve really convinced me.  /sarc

      Meanwhile, how about you look at the actual voting polls, which have skewed HEAVILLY in favour of the Liberals ever since Julia announced the tax.  If that doesn’t tell you that the majority of people are pissed at this tax then I don’t know what does.

      If you support the Carbon Tax, you are in the minority. You are part of the fringe.

    • persephone says:

      06:53pm | 31/05/11

      TimB

      the question reflects the way the carbon price is supposed to work. It isn’t flawed, it accurately outlines the proposal.

      As I said, that’s important. Many of the polls I’ve seen have asked the question and ommitted mentioning the compensation. Thus, they can’t be taken as an accurate reflection of how people feel about ‘this’ carbon price.

      The question accurately reflects what Combet said yesterday (as I quoted earlier today) - all the revenue raised will go towards those three actions.

      So, when people are presented with the facts about the carbon price - that they will be compensated, that there will be support for trade exposed businesses and that there will be money spent on encouraging new technologies - they overwhelmingly support it.

      Your failure to recognise the accuracy of the question demonstrates your lack of understanding of the issue.

    • TimB says:

      09:32pm | 31/05/11

      Perse, the poll question is impossible. If you’re returning ALL the money as compensation, you have no money to invest in renewables.

      More to the point the level of compensation that is reportedly being handed out keeps changing. First it was all the money, now it’s half. And no-one mentions the cut we’re supposed to be sending to the UN.

      I find it laughable that *you* can tell us with such authority how this tax is going to work, when the government can’t even get it’s story straight from week to week.

      And at the end of the day, if Co2 intensive business aren’t paying (passing on costs), and lower income consumers aren’t paying (getting compensation),  then *only* high income earners are paying. High income households are effectively subsidising the CO2 usage of lower income households.

      No financial loss for most of society = no reduction in emissions= pointless tax.

      The only effect of the tax will be wealth redistribution. And THAT’S if the government gets the compensation figures right. If they don’t it will be the higher cost of living scenario that’s predicted.

      What’s frustrating about this is the fact that you know all this, but continue to ignore it and spin your web of bulldust and rhetoric anyway.

    • Cry in my Gin says:

      08:31am | 31/05/11

      I did not realise it was so wrong to hold someones statements up to scrutiny when they made those statements on a public platform. My issues with Carbon Cate are not where she lives but where her money lives as she gets paid in many different countries and currencies. Is it all declared to the ATO or is it hidden offshore where it will not be carbon taxed? Top this with the “say Yes” line, which implies this new tax is up for discussion and we have some sort of choice about whether we get it lumped on us or not.

      Sorry, but this campaign is a failure and pushes me more towards a skeptical view as I try to pay a mortgage and raise two kids on one wage while people from the supposed upper echelons of society tell me what is good for me. I will remember this when I ask for more hours in my second job to pay for the gouging that will make no difference to the climate and see me unable to spend the weekends with my kids.
      Thanks Cate &co;.

    • Stiffy says:

      09:34am | 31/05/11

      She would be a High Wealth Individual (Whowi) as such she would be assigned as part of a portfolio of others to a single ATO officer of likely APS6 ranking. She has not been named as involved in Wikenby activities. That is not to say that she would not have funds secured or invested offshore.
      Interesting how the bloke in the flannelette shirt seems to have flown below the radar with all this. BOF correctly points out that he was opposed to the train going out to Bondi. A little bit of fancy footing.

    • Dave says:

      08:34am | 31/05/11

      Don’t you just love the hypocrisy of the left (and the usual rabble who post here - you know who you are)? For YEARS they have been attacking all and sundry on the Conservative side of politics with vicious, childish name-calling. Their attitude to our greatest PM in a generation was nothing short of disgraceful. They are the kings of the petty, personal attack. They can never debate issues rationally because they don’t have the intelligence so they resort to the immature tactic of mud-throwing and personal abuse. And now they have the NERVE to whinge because some out-of-touch actors are being held to account for their comments. Utter disgrace.

    • persephone says:

      11:31am | 31/05/11

      Oh, so mudslinging and personal abuse is OK when it’s from your side?

      Fair enough, then.

    • Watcher says:

      08:39am | 31/05/11

      Everyone has a right to protest if they feel it is wrong including the wealthy of this country. If the temps rise, money won’t buy you much extra time on the planet.

    • Richard says:

      09:08am | 31/05/11

      Aw gawd, some of you hysterical alarmists need to get a grip. Or better yet buy a copy of the “Hitch-Hiker’s Guide To The Galaxy”, with big fat red letters on the cover saying “DON’T PANIC”, because the way you carry on, flapping your arms about and babbling your heads off about the end of the world, its just a bit over the top.

    • Anubis says:

      09:23am | 31/05/11

      @Watcher - “if the temps rise”

      Just what do you think will happen? The Medieval Warm Period was up to 4 degrees warmer than current averages, grapes were able to be grown in England, wheat was being harvested in Scandinavian countries AND humans survived and prospered. Have you really swallowed the propaganda bullshit that a two degree rise will wipe us out? As for Carbon Dioxide being the cause of Global Warming, utter nonsense. Water Vapour and methane have a greater affect on the climate than does Carbon Dioxide.

    • Famer says:

      08:48am | 31/05/11

      If this campaign was organised by the ALP, it is a vote of no confidence by the ALP in the ability of the PM and her team to sell the policy.
      If this campaign was organised independently, it is a vote of no confidence by supporters of the carbon tax in the ability of the PM and her team to sell the policy.

    • iansand says:

      08:54am | 31/05/11

      The up side is that, based on the idea that people who have no trouble paying tax cannot comment on issues involving tax, Alan Jones will have to shut up.

    • Dash says:

      09:13am | 31/05/11

      Hi iansand, yeah those who pay the most tax and contribute the most financially to our society for some reason are expected to stay quiet and let this government continue to bite the hand that feeds it! If you work hard, educate yourself and become successful in this country, apparently you’ve got a massive target on your back and are expected to just quietly bend over and take it.

      Last night on Q&A the ALP minister said loud and clear that the ALP has been following a policy of “wealth redistribution”. She came straight out and said it as if that was a badge of honour?? And they are going to do the same under the carbon tax compensation scheme. Punish those creating the nations wealth and reward those that are destroying it. Complete madness!

      But as soon as you yell Socialism, you get howled down by the left and the lefty press. This country is in deep shit if this government stays in place for much longer.

    • iansand says:

      10:15am | 31/05/11

      Does anyone have a bucket of cold water?  We need it over here.

    • Dash says:

      10:57am | 31/05/11

      Yes I’m very angry about the deceit and lies from this pack of ALP morons! I’m not sure a bucket of water would cool me down or 60% of the population for that matter. the people of Australia should not sit by and allow this fraud to be inflicted upon them and their families!

    • Philby says:

      01:09pm | 31/05/11

      Gee whiz dash, I seem to be following you around. What is wrong with redistributing the wealth? That’s what the tax system is generally for. Any politician who says otherwise either doesn’t understand the concept of tax or is lying.

    • Dash says:

      05:09pm | 31/05/11

      Philby, I have no problems with the PAYG tax system as it currently stands and has stood for generations. I have paid every cent of tax I owe and I pay twice the average wage in tax annually without complaint.

      But I do object to this government sticking it’s hand back into the pockets of the people who pay the most tax in this country just because they have no idea about how to run the finances of the country!

      What I object to in this instance is the ALP hiding behind the environment to introduce a socialist tax that punishes families on the basis of income! This tax is not about the environment. The lies about compensation are a disgrace. If you look at the Profits tax, the flood tax and this carbon tax, they all punish the sections of our society that are creating the nations wealth. Why? You can also look at the removal of the tax incentives for people to save for their, and the proposed removeal of the private health tax rebate which was put in place to encourage people who could afford private health to get off the public purse. It’s all socialist Robin Hood crap!

      If you are middle or high income Australia, you have been smashed up by this government! Before this government, we didn’t have any of these taxes, people still had incentive to strive for a better life and yet the LNP still managed to produce surplus budgets! The ALP can’t balance the books and sticks its hands back into the pockets of those that are already giving them the lions share of the tax revenue.

      Why punish people for working hard and being successful. Surely that’s what living in a democracy is all about. What happened to the opportunity to make a better life. Sadly we are moving closer and closer to a socialist dictatorship by the day! At what stage should people be allowed to enjoy their hard earned income without the ALP stealing it to give to ALP demographics??

    • Harquebus says:

      08:55am | 31/05/11

      Only an idiot would put a big black box in the middle of a webpage. That Flash is cr@p.
      BTW. Nobody has asked me if I want a new tax. I’m just being told. I will have my say at the next election.

    • Eskimo says:

      08:55am | 31/05/11

      I have one question for Cate. When will be given the opportunity to say yes? I’m itching ready to go with my stubby 2B pencil to let my opinion be known.

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:02am | 31/05/11

      Penberthy

      I see now that it is possible to make a perfectly good living as a professional apologista for the left.

      And given that a fair amount of personal attacks are made by none other than your leader Gillard, it’s only fair that we ordinary people should question an advert that tells us “Just say Yes”.

      Especially when we didn’t and don’t and won’t have an opportunity to say “No”.

      Frankly, your argument stinks, and I question your moral values.

    • Vince says:

      10:28am | 31/05/11

      “Frankly, your argument stinks, and I question your moral values.”

      What an absurd thing to say.  It typifies exactly the idiotic, rabid, spiteful comments that Penbo was writing about.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:10pm | 31/05/11

      @Vince,

      Trolling about the forums having a go at my very real, very valid beliefs is no way to spend a sunny day mate.

    • maryellen says:

      02:49pm | 31/05/11

      Vince, it’s not absurd.  The argument does stink.

    • Angus says:

      09:17am | 31/05/11

      Drop the rubbish Penbo. You say “Climate Critics”. I say “Carbon Tax Critics”, get it right and stop adding Labor spin and deception. It’s about the TAX not the Climate.

    • Jay Santos says:

      09:18am | 31/05/11

      Cate Blanchett has a right to express her beliefs/opinion.

      I have the right to express my disagreement to these.

      Her wealth and station in life are irrelevant.

      The interwebs makes such feedback infinitely easier and collectively more immediate and potent than ever before.

      Exactly where is the problem?

    • Helping the Mega-Rich says:

      09:19am | 31/05/11

      I’m interested in weather Ms Blanchett did indeed use her wealth to install the solar panels on her Hunter’s Hill home or is she receiving taxpayer subsidies too?

    • PTom says:

      10:34am | 31/05/11

      Accord to articles about Cate she had Solar installed around 2006, I believe such rebate did not start until 2009.

    • Mr Tatsyrup says:

      09:26am | 31/05/11

      You just don’t get it Penbo. What Australians don’t like is being preached to and talked down to by twits and hypocrites.

      Blanchett is a fly in fly out Aussie who cannot even be arsed paying income tax in Australia.

      Caton is a Melbournian blow in to Bondi who then rabidly campaigned for Bondi to NOT get the much wanted railway station, NOT host beach volley ball at the Olympics etc etc. A true progressive who sees the big picture!

      John Hewson is on the board of an investment company specialized in renewable energy etc and stands to make millions from a Govt scheme like this. As does Al Gore with his Wall St carbon credit trading companies and Malcolm Turnbull with his connection to Goldman Sachs. Follow the money trail.

      Please people. Get out your Google and do your OWN investigation of this mother of all scams. You like I will get chills up your spine when you do at the sickening money trail and the fraud science.

      Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

    • AdamC says:

      09:41am | 31/05/11

      I agree with this article.

      While I can fully understand people not being convinced to ‘say Yes!’ by advertisements featuring Gulfstream environmentalists like our Cate (or Al Gore or Tim Flannery, for that matter), I don’t think it is judtified to be personally offended by them. She’s allowed to support whatever causes she wants.

    • Yon Toad says:

      09:48am | 31/05/11

      You nailed it Penbo:The left of politics in Australia seems to be permanently afflicted by what could be described as the Don’s Party syndrome…
      Who knows whether AGW is real or not? The whole thing has become buried in bullshit. Al Gore is no authority on anything. Flannery is a palaeontologist for Christ’s sake! Climategate exposed those pushing the You’re-All-Gunna-Die research wagon as a bunch of charlatans. Julia of the Liars has been exposed as just that. And then along come La Blanchett and Caton. They climb on the wagon with those arch hypocrites Gore et al, and tell us to just say “Yes” to a tax being pushed on us by a known liar. And you ask dissenters to play the ball and not the woman! If there had been a debate on this whole bloody thing I’d agree with you. But there has been no debate just a bunch of snake oil merchants telling the rest of us what is good for us. I’m over it.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      09:52am | 31/05/11

      Tony Abbott doers not believe in Climate Change

      Yet he believes in an invisible man in the sky, a supernatural creator (Crazy,Roman Catholic)

      The mood in the Australian electorate is moving away from Abbott and his negative SAY NO TO EVERYTHING campaign.

      Well Done Cate Banchette and others, for standing on the side of science versus Abbott’s nonsense.

    • Lucius says:

      10:22am | 31/05/11

      rofl @ standing on the side of science

      Most well-respect international scientists DO NOT support the assertion that climate change is man-made. In fact most say it’s a natural occurance that has happened countless times in the past hundreds of thousands of years and will happen countless more times. There is nothing man can do to stop or change climate change. It is happening.

      At least the invisible-man-in-the-sky believer stands by what he believes in, how many times has Juliar changed her tune and betrayed Labor’s core voters now?

    • BB says:

      10:42am | 31/05/11

      ” for standing on the side of science”
      The same side as science?? There are other sides of science that see this entire argument as false but they are derided as “deniers!” and acting more like a religious movement rather than RATIONAL thinking scientists.

      The single fact is that Taxing big polluters will only result in the cost being passed on to the people through other means (fuel companies have said if they are taxed they will pass on the FULL cost).  Thats not science, thats politics.

    • persephone says:

      12:49pm | 31/05/11

      Lucius

      if you define MOST as less than 10%. And very few of whom have come up with anything convincing enough to get itself published in a peer reviewed paper.

      BB

      there might be a reason for that!

    • Drew says:

      03:04pm | 31/05/11

      @Lucius maybe you should actually do some research before blathering about “most”.

      The overwhelming majority of well respected international scientists support that it is man-made, and the UK, USA, Europe and even Chinese governments agree.

      What is your definition of “most”? Let me guess, you are quoting Andrew Bolt?

    • BB says:

      05:46pm | 31/05/11

      @persephone

      So what, my little business who cannot afford to pass on the cost increases cause by this communist tax should just have to “grin and bear it” all in the name of the environment??  You have got to be kidding me!

      What thats i hear you say?? Im going to able to be compensated?? Whats the point! There is no winner in this tax, only losers who pass the loss from one person to the next.

      I should increase my prices?? How?? At the risk of losing customers that im just holding onto now?? Those customers that this tax WILL take away because of the massive and insane price increases across the board for them????

      The answer is NO tax at all.  There are other ways the government can do this with no cost to us but they wont entertain that because they CANNOT make any money from it.  All facts figures and fallacies aside, this tax will kill off alot of small business all the name of the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR not the environment, you can be assured of that!!

    • jg says:

      09:55am | 31/05/11

      There is absolutely no doubt that climate change exists and that it could, in the future radically threeaten our society and way of life.

      However, it may also not threaten us in the apocalyptic ways that Gillard and co are putting forward. After all, even if the temperatures rise a couple of degrees, which is still debatable, and if we can do anything about it, which, according to Flannery we can’t, who is to say that slight warming is not a good thing.

      As such I think Cate and her fellow actors and actresses are misguided at worst. However, this is not to say that they can’t have their say. If they believe that this is the end of civilization as we know it, then so be it. Just because she (Cate) is rich beyond belief does not exclude her from the discussion.

      By all means, reduce pollution, and I mean all pollution, but when it comes to climate change I prefer to believe that mankind will simply adapt and continue on as if nothing much has happened.

      After all, it’s not the first time the climate has changed markedly. After all, the last time was only a couple of hundreds of years ago.

    • Sven says:

      11:51am | 31/05/11

      Yah, I remember a few months back when the Channel 7 “celebs” told us there was going to be DEATH and DESTRUCTION here in Cairns.
      Frightened out of our wits we were while waiting for the apocalypse, but Cyclone Yasi hit Cardwell instead.

    • Crap Filter says:

      09:57am | 31/05/11

      Don’t care what any of you say.

      The ad was paid for by some Left organisations. So what. Good on ‘em.

      And Cate Blanchett wasn’t paid a cent.

      None of it justifies calling Cate Blanchett a whore.

      Totally disgusting.

    • Dazza says:

      11:22am | 31/05/11

      Of the nine groups behind the campaign, the Australian Conservation Foundation, the Climate Institute, Environment Victoria, Climate Action Network Australia, the Australian Youth Climate Coalition and WWF Australia have received millions of dollars in taxpayer funds.. plus what the Unions

      De facto funding from the taxpayer…..

    • Patrick Kelly says:

      10:00am | 31/05/11

      Well I’ll be!

      Those sceptical of the CAGW hypothesis have copped it for years. We were deniers (with its holocaust connotations.)  Eminent professors were dismissed as being not “real climate scientists.”  Others were shills for “big oil.”  Christopher Monckton was “bug-eyed.”  Roy Spencer’s religious beliefs were paraded around.  And so on and so on ad nauseum.
      Now that the CAGW carpetbaggers sense the momentum drifting, they resort to trotting out actors and so called “celebrities.”

      Pardon me if I don’t get upset if Cate cops a bit of flack.
      I seem to have missed the news the day her PhD was handed out.
      And such a deceitful ad anyway. Battersea Power station indeed! 

      This whole campaign has misfired badly and quite frankly it’s a good thing too. I hope Simon Sheik is crying a river.

      This government and its supporters would be better off shutting up all together. The public has reached the stage where they believe the exact opposite of whatever Brown, Gillard, Swan and co say. And that goes for their sycophantic camp followers -celebrity or otherwise.

    • BL says:

      10:15am | 31/05/11

      “Yes, the campaign is partly funded by the unions. So what?”

      Persephone, thankyou for actually admitting that not only did the Labor Party partly fund this advert (Let’s play spot the Unionist in the labor camp shall) through their Labor-affiliated Union mates, but that Unions also used member’s money to fund left-wing Labor propoganda.

      Also Persephone, I’m still waiting on the source for your comment that over 50% of australians support this carbon tax. Well Persephone, where is that source?....

    • Crap Filter says:

      10:46am | 31/05/11

      Persephone? Labor Party funded? Get a grip. 

      Nothing will make calling Cate Blanchett a whore right, ever.

    • Warwick says:

      11:00am | 31/05/11

      You are right, B; Persephone should be prepared to back up her assertion that the carbon tax has popular support. It looks like she was just making it up as she went along and hoping no-one would notice.

      The amount of lying, misrepresentation, exaggeration, twisting and spin that has been employed in this global warming scare campaign is reminiscent of Pravda. The communist states called themselves “people’s” republics. Peoples?  Peoples? Bureaucrats more like it.

      This global warming scare is not intended to save the world; it is intended to save the green and left bureaucrats.

    • persephone says:

      12:56pm | 31/05/11

      66%.

      Look back up the thread, to where the question was originally asked.

    • Ray says:

      10:21am | 31/05/11

      Hey Pembo, why is there a double page centre spread with articles one by you and one by Sarrah to race to the defence of Cate Blanchett on this matter. Sure it’s not a defence of yours and Sarrah’s celebrity status as like Cate’s?

      The facts are the Government has not defined where any Carbon tax revenue would be spent. FFS companies can even trade the carbon tax. Sure we’re not going down a budget balancing path here?

      Other than that Cate is a Labour Party celebrity whore (don’t publish this word, used metaphorically, if you like) but hand picked as stooges for such matters as this and the 20/20 summit . Fair dinkum 20/20 summit for representatives without 20/20 vision.

      Above all Monday morning’s television showed Cate’s house with at least 40 to 50 solar panels for a house of part time use. 9 panels would adequately cover most household electricity usage. So she is one of the real greedy ones who oversubscribed to profit from a tainted, ill thought out scheme on the summise of benefitting the environment. There is no philanthropic momentunm in that example.

      Also Cate’s published qualifications are more than likely ‘honorary’  and dealing with environmental philosophy between 1600 and 1605 with no relevence to the subject issue..

    • iansand says:

      10:49am | 31/05/11

      Maybe a “tax” you can trade is not a tax?  Have you asked Mr Abbott this question?  You might have spotted a flaw in his <s>position</s> slogan.  Perhaps it is not a great big new tax after all.

    • Ray says:

      11:44am | 31/05/11

      Iansand, WTF, why would you ask Abbott he’s not running the show.

      Wake up dickwhit we’re not talking politics we’re talking policy that can be implemented. Abbott’s can’t be. A tax you can trade is like trading poker machine licences. And if a company goes out of business it can cash in to another company

    • iansand says:

      03:30pm | 31/05/11

      Do you think that poker machine licence fees are a tax?

    • Preston says:

      10:23am | 31/05/11

      Why do you continue to label people who don’t support Gillards Carbon Tax as Climate Critics? Because we don’t support her tax doesn’t mean we don’t beleive in climate change and we aren’t climate critics. Gillard screams this sort of rubbish out all day in QT and elsewhere, are you just copying her misleading crap? WE DON’T WANT A CARBON TAX ! Why is that being a climate critic?

    • Bobster says:

      10:25am | 31/05/11

      In this stupid f—-in’ country, Penbo, really?

      In this hive of ignorant rednecks who live with a level of political discourse akin to school yard name-calling?

      You, or one of your colleagues (I really don’t care which) was on here yesterday spruiking the amazing bullshit metres of News Ltd journos.

      You indeed have a bullshit metre slightly more attuned than, let’s say Erick’s, but that doesn’t mean you’re anything other than average in the scheme of things.

      You have been at the heart of dragging this country’s political debate to the level of name calling and you have presided over the crafting of the country’s media into a creature that does little more than tell us who said what about whom.

      It offers nothing and the best you can offer on a subject that potentially spells the end of life as we know is about six rants on an actor’s thoughts on the matter.

      It’s pathetic. Don’t whinge about it. You helped make it what it is.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:35am | 31/05/11

      The point of the article is that people have the right to voice an opinion no matter who they are, how wealthy they are or how prominent they are.
      This policy is so well followed by Punch that publishes the most outrageous, rude and misanthropic comments made by bloggers above. It allows personal abuse no matter who blogs it.
      My bitch is with the bloggers who have little more to say than personal vilifying demeaning comments rather than adding to the debate of the issue.
      Crap Filter - you are right not only about the Blanchett whore comment but about the majority of comments posted on Punch.
      I stuffed up yesterday - a booboo which brought on personal abuse that was not benign - poor show I say.

    • Burner says:

      10:41am | 31/05/11

      It’s a shame I had to throw Indy 4 and The Two Towers in the Bin - can’t have people who espouse BS in my house

    • AnthonyG says:

      10:44am | 31/05/11

      Please forgive me God but can you please pay your share of the carbon tax. All that muck your putting up in the sky through those volcanoes is very irresponsible. We all have to pay our fair share you know. Can Juliar send the account to the Vatican. We must make the polluters pay.After all the science is settled on this one

    • Thommo says:

      10:46am | 31/05/11

      Cate is a greedy robber barron who lords who electricty production over those less fortunate, charging them 60 cents per kilowatt hour for something they could get for 15 cents p kwh if the world wasn’t run by morons.

    • Philby says:

      01:15pm | 31/05/11

      Yes Thommo Cate owns the utility in Australia, how did you know? why has this news not broken already?

    • Sony B Goode says:

      06:26pm | 31/05/11

      Cate’s panels where installed at a time when the feed in rate was 60c? while we pay around 20c, 40c coming from taxpayers…

    • Wayne says:

      10:52am | 31/05/11

      Climate change is one thing but the carbon tax is another issue. Will the carbon tax in Australia fix climate change? Answer NO. If people think it will, how many degrees will Australias action reduce global temperatures by? Answer NIL. How much will sea level not rise by? Answer NIL. Will it stop coral bleaching? Answer NO. So why do it? This is purely a wealth redistribution tax with any left over to fill government coffers (dare I say a budget black hole).

    • Maria Hawthorne says:

      10:54am | 31/05/11

      “On news and opinion websites (including the two I work for, The Punch and news.com.au) we have seen the usual procession of anonymous haters line the pair up over their supposedly unwelcome foray into publc policy arena.”

      And thank you to everyone on here for proving this point so forcefully.

    • Knemon says:

      11:02am | 31/05/11

      I am curious as to why ex Liberal PM, Malcolm Fraser and ex Liberal leader, John Hewson are so supportive of a carbon tax? I believe that both these gentlemen are well educated and respected conservatives…how can they both be so wrong?

    • iansand says:

      11:17am | 31/05/11

      That’s a very good question, Knemon.  Perhaps you should consider some other possibilities.  We have a couple of educated, respected conservatives who support a price on carbon.  I am trying to work out what makes them different to Abbott, and have decided that a critical factor is that they are not desperately rabble rousing to achieve political power.

    • Ken says:

      11:29am | 31/05/11

      They just both hate Abbott. And both their opinions mean nothing in Liberal circles. Their just has beens who like to take any opportunity to stick it into Abbott. Fraser belongs in a museum and Hewson was one of the weakest and most unpopular Leaders of all time, thats why they chucked him out of the Leadership. Nothing like disgruntled ex leaders. Ask Julia.

    • dovif says:

      11:46am | 31/05/11

      Knemon

      Since you are so curious, maybe you might also find Julia pretty curious, she has almost had more position on the Carbon tax, then it is possible.

      First, she told Rudd to drop the ETS
      Then she told Australia, there will be no carbon tax
      Then she told Australia, there will be a carbon tax
      Then she told Australia, she prefer the ETS
      And after she got elected as PM, she decided against choosing a free “eco-friendly” car, she opted for a CO2 producing Petrol car.

      All of this in less then 10 month

      How could someone have so many positions in such a small amount of time… how can she be wrong so often?

    • Henry says:

      11:47am | 31/05/11

      Oh and that little fact about being on the board of an Investment Company specializing in ‘Renewable’ energy that stands to make millions from this Govt scheme.

      You know that thing called money?  Follow the sickening money trail.  So far it leads to Hewson, Flannery, Turnbull and Garnaut.

    • AnthonyG says:

      12:06pm | 31/05/11

      Because if they said they were against the carbon tax it wouldn’t even make the press. The pro carbon tax lobby can pluck out the odd has been to suit their cause if they like. doesn’t mean that most people are that naive.

    • Bobster says:

      01:10pm | 31/05/11

      Another good question is why did the Australian decide to run a review on Fraser’s book in which it saw fit to officially disown him on behalf of the entire right less than 24 hours before the ads launched?

      That was interesting.

    • Ben81 says:

      03:01pm | 31/05/11

      Hewson’s support is surprising, he’s entitled to his opinion though.  If he tries to say the tax driving up the cost of Australian products and our cost of living will have any measurable effect on the world’s emissions he’s just as much a liar as anyone else pushing it.

      But how could you possibly call Fraser a “respected conservative” unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last decade at least?  Could it be that you’re only interested in trying to grab a weak political opportunity?

    • Mark says:

      11:54pm | 31/05/11

      Ken says:11:29am | 31/05/11

      “Their (sic) just has beens who like to take any opportunity to stick it into Abbott.”

      AnthonyG says:12:06pm | 31/05/11

      “The pro carbon tax lobby can pluck out the odd has been to suit their cause if they like.”

      John Howard 2007

      “Over time the scientific evidence that the climate is warming has become quite compelling and the link between emissions of greenhouse gases from human activity and higher temperatures is also convincing.

      Being among the first movers on carbon trading in this region will bring new opportunities and we intend to grasp them.”

    • Jim Peters says:

      11:03am | 31/05/11

      Another one who misses the point. The problem people have is not that they dont have a right to an opinion, the problem is that people hate is hypocrisy. I dare say Cate Blanchett with her jet setting lifestyle, flying all over the world dozens of times a year, and her massive mansions, leaves a far bigger carbon footprint on the world than the average Australian family who she is telling needs to pay a carbon tax. Its another case of “do as I say, not as I do”. Its like Bono, always spruiking about global warming. And then he buys a first class seat on a plane for his HAT, and puts on a show that uses more power in two hours than an average town uses in a week.

      When Cate reduces her Carbon footprint to that of the average Aussie family I might be more inclined to let her have her say. Until then she can go jump.

      I wonder how much carbon might be prevented if everyone decided not to drive to the cinema to see her next movie…

    • David C says:

      11:37am | 31/05/11

      1 grillion % agree this is the issue and applies to all who take this attitude.. Al Gore, James Cameron etc etc

    • Dave says:

      11:10am | 31/05/11

      She is allowed an opinion.

      However, just because you are an actor it doesn’t make your opinion more important than anyone else’s.

      Also, you might say that because acting involves a lot of right brain thinking, that science might be the one subject where their opinion’s might be less important than others.

    • DrFitzBob says:

      11:30am | 31/05/11

      But its clearly NOT a ball game. If the ball is the scientific argument it seems to have gone over the fence long ago. What we’re left with is a wrestling match with a team that would like to send our economy over the fence to look for it.

    • Ray says:

      11:58am | 31/05/11

      The non-scientists who support a carbon tax are being politically correct, while the supporting scientists do so on the basis of pseudo-science or plain assertion.
      There is no scientific evidence that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions have a measurable effect on global warming. Consequently, there is no scientific or economic basis for taking action to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
      Promoters of the carbon tax use convenient untruths, such as:
      .  use of the emotive term, ‘carbon pollution’, whereas they mean carbon dioxide which is a non-polluting colourless gas that is necessary for plant life and hence all life;
      .  use of the general term ‘climate change’ for the more specific term ‘global warming’;
      .  TV pictures portraying power stations emitting ‘pollution’ when it is in fact steam rising from the condensers; 
      . the power station shown in the Cate Blanchett scene is an ex-London station closed down some 28 years ago; 
      .  they omit to state:
      . .  that the carbon tax is intended to replace efficient coal-fired power generation with unreliable inefficient renewable energy sources such as wind power which is three times as expensive as , and solar power which is at least ten times as costly,  as coal power;
      . .  that power prices will rise significantly and cause economy-wide price rises;
      . . that the resulting reductions in carbon dioxide emissions will have no impact on stemming global warming.

    • iansand says:

      12:34pm | 31/05/11

      CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
      The proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by ~30% over the last 150 years.
      We have been burning fossil carbon at ever increasing rates over approximately that time.
      Burning carbon produces CO2.
      The average temperatuere of the Earth is rising.

      With which of those propositions do you disagree?

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:08pm | 31/05/11

      @iansand

      For the numptieth time, correlation is not causation.

      Still, it makes for better dooms-day, “the sky is falling” nonsense doesn’t it?

    • MarK says:

      01:48pm | 31/05/11

      And we have put 25% of all man made CO2 into the air in the last 10 years and yet the temperature has fallen.

      Which part of that do you disagree with

    • iansand says:

      03:34pm | 31/05/11

      Correlation is adamn fine place to start looking.

      Someone else made a noise.

    • iansand says:

      03:36pm | 31/05/11

      Also, JoelB1, do you disagree with any of those propositions?  Which ones?  Why?

    • TimB says:

      03:59pm | 31/05/11

      “Correlation is adamn fine place to start looking.

      Someone else made a noise. “

      I see iansand. Correlation only counts when it supports your argument.

      MarK points out a counter-example where rising C02 has coincided with a fall in temperatures, and you write it off as “just a noise”

      You intellectual giant you.

    • iansand says:

      04:57pm | 31/05/11

      Did MarK post something?  Well I never.  Last time he posted something like that he provided a link to a graph that proved nothing of the kind.  I have come to the conclusion that nothing he writes is worth responding to.  Perhaps you could chase him for the link?

    • The Badger says:

      05:47pm | 31/05/11

      In 2010, global temperatures continued to rise. A new analysis from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies shows that 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, and was part of the warmest decade on record. 2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new
      NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

    • RyaN says:

      06:10pm | 31/05/11

      @The Badger: anyone who refers to the fully debunked surface temperatures is a fool and not doing his side any good. Fact is that a 15 year old debunked the so-called “science” on surface temperature records by showing them strategically placed next to air-conditioners, baseball courts, cell towers and the like. If you are going to refer to something to back up your argument then refer to satellite based temperature records.

    • The Badger says:

      06:38pm | 31/05/11

      Poor ignorant ryan
      Your friend the retired radio weatherman who funded the “debunking” effort caused such interest in NASA, that they went back and evaluated the temperatures from the locations in question.
      They found out that the locations did indeed provide a flawed temperature. They should have recorded a higher temperature than the original ones reported.

      Do you understand what that meant ryan?
      your retired weatherman provided further proof of warming

      give it up ryan - You got nothing but hot air and lies to add to the climate debate.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      06:54pm | 31/05/11

      Badger “In 2010, global temperatures continued to rise”

      and? You expect they stay constant? Show me a decade where they don’t change.

      Correlation is not causation

    • The Badger says:

      08:23pm | 31/05/11

      Sonny

      2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, and was part of the warmest decade on record
      Reading comprehension shot this time of the night Sonny?

    • RyaN says:

      09:33pm | 31/05/11

      @iansand: yes that is the graph, the very same one that shows slight variations as opposed to the hockey stick graph that shows rubbish data.

    • RyaN says:

      09:36pm | 31/05/11

      @The Badger: yes and conveniently excluding the medieval warm period. How unsurprising.
      Here is a thought Badge, how about you post some peer reviewed irrefutable evidence of a human marker in global warming, just one . P.S. There is 10grand in it for you.
      So sad you pathetic scaremongers can’t because sadly there is zero evidence, and your continuing “just believe” line deserves ridicule.

    • iansand says:

      10:11pm | 31/05/11

      RyaN - You see slight variations.  I see a trend.  I will leave it to people who can read graphs to decide who is blind.

    • RyaN says:

      10:19am | 01/06/11

      @iansand: yes mate, people who can read graphs unlike you, clearly the trend line is there, someone who has a real education in science and mathematics rather than some scum sucking lowest form of filth lawyer.

    • iansand says:

      03:44pm | 01/06/11

      So you can see the trend line?  What does it mean, since you are so smart?

    • RyaN says:

      10:14am | 02/06/11

      @iansand: my observation of the trend line is exactly the same as those of well respected lead atmospheric IPCC scientist professor John Christy.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQxl1KZlLA
      And I quote “You know by looking at the evidence we have from satellites and so on, we do not see any dramatic or catastrophic changes at all.”

      The line on that graph is running centered, there are deviations indeed however the general trend is no dramatic changes that are putting the earth at risk. This is the evidence, this is the settled science, no if’s, no buts, just straight up and down hard evidence. Evidence supporting human induced climate change is non existent, FACT!

      I am sorry iansand but I would be the first to support action on climate change if there was actual evidence, so far all we are told is to “believe” and any so-called action has no intention of having an impact on the climate but more political agendas in order to enrich and redistribute wealth, FACT.

    • Steve says:

      12:01pm | 31/05/11

      “Climate critics should play the ball not the (wo)man”

      When a celebrity supports a controversial cause, in which they are at best an interested layperson, they are in effect using their celebrity to bolster the cause. In this case, the rest of the argument in the ad was so stale and deceptive that the only novelty and highlight was the celebrity involvement. The message was that we should “Say Yes” because they do. We’ve had plenty of appeals to authority in this debate, which are bad enough, but an appeal to celebrity is even worse. It does not advance the debate one iota. It is just a distraction.

      Yes skeptics have followed the distraction, but it was not they who introduced it.

    • Bloggs says:

      12:04pm | 31/05/11

      Has anyone else here counted the replies to see how many people are agreeable to this tax and the frauds perpetrated in its name and how many are not agreeable?

      The answer is a resounding - people are not agreeable.

      What part of “people do not agree” has the Left missed?  Even ALP voters do not agree if they live on a wage.

      Stick your tax, stick your fraudulent ideas and stick your actors who think they soemhow, with no better training then the rest of us, know more than us about how we need to spend our money.  Stick it where it hurts

    • Mikko says:

      12:07pm | 31/05/11

      Cate’s entitled to a say, rich people are entitled to a say (yes, remember the Labor fingers pointing when a rich man led the Libs?)  but the sum of all the kerfuffle over this is pretty basic. It’s a pathetic ad unless it was intended as a parody. Won’t win any votes and probably will work in reverse. Get Up did their dough.

    • How would you know says:

      12:07pm | 31/05/11

      I love it how so many people here must know Cate personally or well enough to know what her carbon footprint is?
      I wonder if the people making those comments even know how to calculate a carbon footprint.

      Seriously how the hell would you know what her Carbon footprint is? like they say when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME…

      At least she is trying to do something, have any of the people who made those comments have any idea of what their own carbon foot print is? no…. then STFU.

    • Jim Peters says:

      12:29pm | 31/05/11

      So how do you think she attends all those worldwide movie premiers and travels the globe filming movies? You think she walks? You think she doesnt have climate control and lighting in her mansions? How do we know? We use our brains. Its not difficult.

    • persephone says:

      01:01pm | 31/05/11

      Jim

      and it’s on the record that she offsets the carbon footprint of those flights and that her home is powered by green energy.

    • How would you know says:

      01:26pm | 31/05/11

      you mean you guessed… thats not using your brain otherwise you would have thought about what you wrote before you wrote it…

      Yes you used your brain, and no its not difficult…. to say something stupid…. using your brain.

    • Bloggs says:

      06:10pm | 04/06/11

      persephone says: 01:01pm | 31/05/11 - and it’s on the record that she offsets the carbon footprint of those flights and that her home is powered by green energy.

      Yep, she may do that, Pers, but nothing comes of it now does it? What happens with the money she may or may not spend on offsetting CO2 emissions of her small space on the plane?  Remember that she may be the only one so her $4.50 could be all that is provided.  What happens as a result of her offsetting her emissions?  huh?

      Nothing happens, Pers.  A big fat zero.

      If we pay a tax on our CO2 we will one of the few countries t charge it and then what?  Will anyone or even the planet be better off?

      No.

      Nothing.

      It’s a crock of sh*t, and it stinks.

    • Brad says:

      12:10pm | 31/05/11

      How long will people continue to pursue the AGW red herring. The problem is clearly population and if we don’t address the cause and keep focusing on the symptoms we will bankrupt the world and achieve nothing. Al Gore the people of the world have much to curse you for.

    • Worst offenders says:

      12:12pm | 31/05/11

      this petty debate and attitude’s being shown constantly whenever an environmental topic comes up shames me to be Australian…

      Its ugly, we have become ugly and ungrateful people, who have had it too good for too long. Australians are in fact the worst offenders, with a higher carbon footprint on average then any other country in the world….

      Makes me feel so proud to be Australian…

    • Steve says:

      12:43pm | 31/05/11

      We only come second. The Americans beat us. But you speak as if it is a bad thing. Admittedly, our influence on atmospheric CO2 is almost trivial, but such as it is, it is good, not bad.

      Atmospheric CO2 does not cause climate change. It affects it, but the feedbacks are such that the system remains in equilibrium. What it does do, is increase human health and prosperity. That’s good.

    • harry says:

      12:46pm | 31/05/11

      That is totally false.

      You have drunk the the Kool-Aid.

      Show the facts for that ludicrous claim.

    • Worst offenders says:

      01:42pm | 31/05/11

      Its true actually we are the worst emmiters per person, maybe not as a country on a whole but as individuals we have the highest carbon footprint per person on average in Australia by comparision to the rest of the world. Higher then Americans average personal carbon footprints, we have a lot to answer for.

      Steve, *Shaking my head* stop playing scientist and check your facts… your wrong.

      This is not what they are teaching in environmental science subjects in uni, unless someone here is actually qualified or studying these subjects then I dont want to hear your pseudo scientific opinion.

      I dont mind ppl expressing their opinions but very tired of the uneducated comments on the science.

    • Steve says:

      02:58pm | 31/05/11

      “unless someone here is actually qualified or studying these subjects then I dont want to hear your pseudo scientific opinion”

      You are asking for an argument from authority (which is only slightly better than the argument from celebrity that we’ve been talking about here). Why not pursue my scientific claims? For example, you could ask me to back up the claim that the feedbacks are in equilibrium, or that CO2 is good for humans. Telling me merely that you suspect that I’m not qualified to speak (which is wrong), is playing the man, not the ball.

    • Worst offenders says:

      12:24pm | 01/06/11

      @ Steve no im not asking for an argument because clearly you have none…
      1. your wrong about Aus being second we are first with PER Capita emmissions, there are various reports around which concur with this.

      2. Yes I am coming from a place of Authority, no I have no interest in asking where you got your info from because it is irrelevent, possibly even made up from seeing some of your other bogus comments. Your “equilibrium” talk means nothing, noone is even arguing that so why would I ask you to back that up? Besides your statement does not consider excessive C02 emmisions does it? only states that it magically gets balanced out in the grand scheme of the environment…. but you dont account for when the balance is disturbed which is what this is about. Pick out some other useless tidbit of info that is irrelevent why dont you?

    • Worst offenders says:

      04:43pm | 01/06/11

      ROFL HAHAHAHAH no seriously thats dated 2007 it was 2008 Australia took over first poll position, check out the Garmaut report:
      http://www.garnautreview.org.au/pdf/Garnaut_Chapter7.pdf

      There are also other reports post 2008 which say the same…. done yet? you can STFU now LOL ...

    • Steve says:

      10:37pm | 01/06/11

      2007 is the latest available data. Garnaut’s data is a year older (2006), and includes a total bogus estimate for alleged deforestation.

    • Steve says:

      05:54am | 02/06/11

      Your claim that we overtook the US in 2008 is rubbish. You cannot know that, because the data has not been published.

      Furthermore, none of the published estimates include the emissions in other countries caused by imports. The per capita imports in the USA dwarf ours. When that is considered, our carbon footprint is only about 65% of theirs.

      Don’t trust everything that Garnaut wrote. He is not impartial. He has an agenda and is presenting his “evidence” accordingly.

    • Worst offenders says:

      09:30am | 03/06/11

      LOL Steve you are so full of it, its 2008 and thats not the only report which says. Nothing worse then a noob with half a brain and some knowledge.

      Believe what you want, your a fool mate and I have better things to do then trying to enlighten your sort. But do me a favour get your facts right and stop spreading propaganda.

      Your not helping and if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem.

      Have a nice day :D

    • Climate God says:

      12:18pm | 31/05/11

      Everyone has a right to their opinion.

      Wayne Swan argued on Sunday that ordinary Australians have a right to make their voices heard. Apparently this doesn’t apply to people protesting against their new tax however.

      Cate Blanchett is far more known than you, me or anyone else on this site, thus her opinions are more likely to be remembered and behaviour copied - Marketing 101.

      Saying this campaign has no government influence is baloney. I KNOW the amount of money that two unions provided to this campaign and the link directly to former members Swan, Gillard and Combet is direct and obvious.

    • Steve says:

      12:18pm | 31/05/11

      “... we have seen the usual procession of anonymous haters line the pair up over their supposedly unwelcome foray into publc policy arena.”

      Did you really mean that? About half of the ususal procession of anonymous haters lined up to defend them. grin

      Anyway, the term “haters” is unduly pejorative in this context, and just betrays your sympathies. That term should be resevered for cases in which existing intense personal antipathy blinds people to reasonable arguments. What actually happened here was that intense opposition to familiar ludicrous arguments led people to express new-found but mostly mild antipathy to the proponents. That’s silly, but it is not hatred.

    • AKoiLus says:

      12:24pm | 31/05/11

      At the end of the day we would rather someone with a credible scientific background who believes that global warming is man made, and also can make sense of what this artificial economic model will do to our household income if introduced. What’s that….there isn’t anyone available to come forward. No clear science to confirm it’s our fault. No economist to deny that it’s just another money grab that will do nothing to rid us of fossil fuels!
      So that’s why we’re given actor’s to shove it down our throats. Oh, and now they whine because we’re telling them to shove it somewhere else. To bad. Here’s the reason why…..
      ...Because it’s a fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      ps @DrFitzBob. Spot on!

    • Lapun says:

      12:29pm | 31/05/11

      To quote one Michael O’Leary off Irish ‘Ryanair’:

      “It is absolutely bizarre that the people who can’t tell us what the f***** weather is next Tuesday can predict with absolute precision what the f***** global temperatures will be in 100 year’s time.  It’s horse****.”

      Whatever you think, it’s a great comment!

    • Crap Filter says:

      06:26pm | 31/05/11

      O’Leary is all colourful noise, and all flat wrong.

      Weather forecast reliability on a three-day outlook is vastly better than 40 years ago, but no weather service ever “predicts” the exact weather, and they don’t say they do.

      No climate scientist “predicts” future warming with “absolute precision"either. They don’t claim to. They estimate - not predict. And they give a likely range.

      Making out local weather and global climate change mean the same is just not right, either.

    • Kevin Milo says:

      12:30pm | 31/05/11

      Par 4: should be “homed in”, not “honed in”

    • Steve says:

      12:30pm | 31/05/11

      “These advertisements are 100 per cent privately-funded ...”

      No they are funded in part by the ACTU which gets public money.

    • Craig says:

      12:33pm | 31/05/11

      I don’t get it. The debate should not be over whether one celebrity is rich enough to survive the costs of a tax. The real debate should be whether Australia can afford the cost of doing nothing if our emissions do cause global warming. All Australians are better off now economically than they were twenty years ago. If we do nothing, there is a possibility that our children will be in a worse position than us. Should we really be taking that risk with our children’s future because of our own selfishness?

    • Tim says:

      12:44pm | 31/05/11

      Sorry Penbo but you’ve missed the point completely. The masses are pissed of with Cate because ‘just say yes’ to a tax is fine when you can afford it, not so fine when you struggle to pay your bills.
      A rich person asking a battler to part with their money for some idealogically driven nonsense will always upset them.

    • Its just a TAX grab says:

      12:46pm | 31/05/11

      The debate for me is not about “climate change”, it’s about being TAXED after a Labor election policy lie. Also, I really don’t think FaiLabor will direct the C-TAX money to any form of venture involved Carbon Reduction or the Climate.
      It’s just a TAX grab by a failed, fiscally incapable government.
      Just because many people are opposed to this TAX does not automatically mean they are anti climate change..

    • Darryl says:

      12:49pm | 31/05/11

      Climate science is very solid if you take the blinders off. Pointing out that Cate has a large CO2 footprint does not resolve the issue. Do you honestly think it should matter? Do you think we should all wait for cate to sell her large ouse before we do anything for future generations? There will always be people who can afford to be more wasteful & hypocritical than others. Better to be a hypocrite who says the right thing but does not always practice what they preach than a thoughtless sprucer of coal industry propaganda who attacks anyone for having the nerve to be concerned about the future. And learn the difference between Environmentalism & Communism because I’m sick of being compared to the latter just because I support the former, it’s an irelavent & idiodic comparison used by people with very simple minds or by those who wantt o appeal to people with simple minds.

    • Steve says:

      01:51pm | 31/05/11

      Darryl, the science is solid, but not in the way that you think. Yes it is clear that increased atmospheric CO2 is trapping heat. However, it is just as clear that that has caused a redistribution of atmospheric water vapour that entirely compensates for the change. The climate change that we have seen has been caused by the sun in combination with El Nino/La Nina fluctuations that are influenced by techtonics. The reason for the scare has been that the AGW models got the role of water vapour wrong in their models. That’s why the models have been such a flop. Don’t worry. We’re all going to be OK.

    • persephone says:

      04:46pm | 31/05/11

      Steve

      How does a redistribution of water vapour compensate for rising temperatures?

      And - as I’ve said previously - if something peculiar was happening with the sun, we’d notice. (It’s sort of big. And there. And we’re well able to monitor its activities).

      Influenced by tectonics!! Come on, you just pulled out a geographical dictionary and are writing down all the big words, aren’t you?

      Care to provide a link - preferably to the science journals, but hell, this is so amusing, I’ll take anything - or is this just something which popped into your head all by its lonesome?

    • Steve says:

      07:41pm | 31/05/11

      It works two ways, persephone.

      With slightly warmer surface temperatures we’ve got higher specific humidity at low altitudes, leading to increased could formation in the tropics, thus a higher albedo, and more of the sun’s inbound radiation reflected back into space, rather than warming the surface.

      We’ve also seen a reduction in specific humidity in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere which are the key altitudes for the greenhouse effect, thus a weaker H2O greenhouse effect.

      It is very clear in the satellite spectral data measuring our IR emissions that we are retaining more heat in the CO2 part of the spectrum (and a few others) but re-radiating more than before in those parts of the spectrum dominated by water vapour. (Yes, that’s allowing for the fact that a warmer planet must re-radiate more heat in total anyway).

      There have been numerous papers published by both skeptics and warmists on both the water vapour and IR emission issues. They are not very accessible to lay people (which I presume you are). In summary, the skeptics tend to suggest (normally tentatively) that the data invalidates the assumptions underlying the global circulation models. The warmists argue that the data quality might be at fault. The one thing they agree on is that there is a LOT that we don’t yet know about this stuff.

      On the Sun, firstly, I reject many of the retrospective adjustments that have recently been made to the global temperature record. The twentieth century warming was far from monotonic, and never beyond natural variation.  The c1924, c1945 and c1976 regime shifts in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation explain much of what has happened. The rest is well enough explained by variations in solar wind. The IPCC assertion that solar forcing has been low is based on a discounting of the influence of the PDO, and overstatement of the recent warming due to adjustments, and a myopic focus on total solar radiation as the only possible solar forcing.

      For links, try Google. There’s plenty of information on all this.

    • Peter E says:

      12:40pm | 01/06/11

      Pers I think your right, I think Steve just makes up half this stuff for kicks to be honest. But I’ve been looking at his comments and most of it is actually irrevelent and out of context, but sounds good and technical.

      I can only guess what his agenda is.

    • Michael says:

      01:01pm | 01/06/11

      Persephone is no lay person, she has help develop policy and has lectured at university and i might add Persephone has been an activist and agitator for the best part of the last decade! smile raspberry

    • Steve says:

      02:08pm | 01/06/11

      @Peter E, “I think Steve just makes up half this stuff for kicks to be honest. But I’ve been looking at his comments and most of it is actually irrevelent and out of context, but sounds good and technical.”

      None of what I wrote above was “made up”. There was some opinion, and some fact. The difference was clear in each case. Feel free to express different opinions, or to challenge specific facts.

      For now, may I ask you to explain why you think that my argument that the C20 climate change was predominantly natural is not a relevant response to a government initiative predicated on the belief that it was largely anthropogenic?

    • Peter E says:

      04:35pm | 01/06/11

      No Steve im not going to challenge any of your “Facts” like I said no need because its irrelevent true or not, this is not about whether you believe in C02 causing the planet to be hotter, its not on debate.

      What it is really about is switching to a sustainable energy source and encouraging more sustainable products. Whether or not the science of facts are true it is irrelevent what you say because our population is the real problem, because the rate of growth is unsustainable in the long run irregardless of what it is doing to the planet. Which will end up in a resource war eventually unless we lower the population (dont see this happening) or start switching over to renewable energy sources and sustainable products now and sustainable way of living.

      This is what I see the carbon tax will help achieve, however I will admit it has been poorly marketed and perhaps the name itself doesnt help.

      And that my friend is why you are wasting your breath arguing over something that is a mute point in the grand scheme of things.

      Your far too distracted, and distract from any usefull addition to this discussion with what you have already commented on and in fact more damaging to the issue then of any help since you are just confusing people with your irrelevent BS smile

      Is that clear enough for you?

    • Steve says:

      07:07pm | 01/06/11

      @Peter E, “What it is really about is switching to a sustainable energy source and encouraging more sustainable products. ... This is what I see the carbon tax will help achieve, ...”

      With 55% of revenue targeted to compensate (some) consumers, 30% to compensate trade-exposed industry, and 10% promised to the UN, (much) less than 5% of the revenue will be available for sustainable energy projects. It seems not to be a funding priority for the government. Therefore, I question your assertion that this is really about sustainability. The politics is otherwise.

      Furthermore, while the carbon (dioxide) tax will cause the export of some of our emissions and thus increase them, the measure is being explained to the community as an attempt to reduce them. It is therefore relevant to ask whether those emissions are a problem at all.

      It is also relevant to the urgency of the matter. If atmospheric CO2 is indeed to our benefit, as I contend, then there is no urgent reason to stop burning coal. The world has enough coal to last about 3 centuries at projected growth rates, which gives us plenty of time to develop viable, sustainable alternatives.

    • Peter E says:

      08:08pm | 01/06/11

      Symantecs of side points… if you must.

      The subsidy is just to lesson the impact initial financial blow, it will take some time for the tax to show the benefit. Its the extra cost that will drive the change, the rest pays itself over and over again in the long run since its sustainable products and renewable energy will keep providing long after the savings in usage exceed the initial cost of the product.

      Focus Steve focus, you can do it!

    • sydneyman says:

      12:57pm | 31/05/11

      So there is no confusion about how we ask the question about the Carbon Tax, whether more people support or not depending on compensation, how about we have an election.

    • Al says:

      12:58pm | 31/05/11

      Great piece, David. I support the idea of a price on carbon and believe climate change is occurring but your comments are right on the money. As someone who lives in the suburbs and watches the responses of average Australians every day, it is obvious that the left and the Government completely miss the point of this debate.

    • Peter says:

      12:59pm | 31/05/11

      Here we go again - Tit for Tat and we are distracted. The debate is firstly, we are asked to believe the predictions about possible damage to our environment by Carbon. No doubt carbon does have an effect in the environment as does oxygen and other gases. The question is, how accurate are the forecaste? Is the available information used to make the predictions comprehensive? If it is not comprehensive, what variations are used in forecasting outcomes? How are the forecasts critically analised?
      These are very important questions because the imposition of a Carbon Tax is a grave matter in that such a Tax will consume valuable resources and in itself will contribute further to Greenhouse gases. I care for my environment and I am fully well aware that we have Environmental Laws that dictate where and how we may build homes, industries and community facilities. These laws also dictate what, how, quanity, where and treatment of all effulent/waste/pollution from any industry and building. We have Standards that dictate quanity and how emmissions are to be handled from cars, trucks, trains, planes and ships. If these laws are designed to protect the environment - eg restricting carbon output, why do we need another layer of governance in the form of a Carbon Tax/Trading?

    • It Just a TAX grab says:

      01:40pm | 31/05/11

      I agree here Peter,
      How am to afford solar panels on the roof, or instigate a grey water system, if im burdened with a massive TAX on the carbon i am allready producing?. Its nothing to do with the environment, its just a blind side Labor TAX grab stunt!.

    • Rob says:

      01:09pm | 31/05/11

      “A more reasonable analysis is that all it shows is that she is prepared to put her money where her mouth is.”

      You have to be kidding with that one Penbo. A solar system with 32 panels is worth around $30k installed. If she is worth $53M as suggested in the media, she has sacrificed a whopping 0.0566% of her wealth to install those panels. For the average rich family on $150k (as defined by Julia) this represents 20% of their annual income.  Hmmm I think I know who is going to be impacted harder financially by this carbon tax nonsense.

    • Anubis says:

      04:42pm | 31/05/11

      Plus the question needs to be asked - how much profit is she making through the feed-in tariff from such an excessively large system on what is a part-time residence ?

      Look for real motive

    • Mick says:

      01:10pm | 31/05/11

      I don’t want a carbon tax . I don’t like out of touch Australians telling me what i should think.

    • Miles says:

      01:13pm | 31/05/11

      The whole Carbon Tax idea is a ridiculously flawed joke.  Seriously, what are they achieving by taking away money via increased tax only to then ‘compensate’ people and industry for taking the tax?  It is astoundingly stupid in it’s concept and I am surprised that people aren’t pointing this out more.  The whole exercise stinks of wealth distribution and the government trying to balance it’s budger as you can be assured that the revenue reaped will be severely eroded by a myriad of ‘administration’ costs and procedures.

      You can be assured that any implementation of this tax will be devastating for Australia.  Investors will pull out in droves, jobs will be lost, and prices will skyrocket.  Mind you, the majority of ‘green’ people supporting such a tax generally don’t have a job (or an idea) to begin with, hence they can’t see the problem.

    • Joan says:

      01:15pm | 31/05/11

      You might as well talk to a brick wall, Penbo. Bob Carr’s right; the idea is nuts, and so are the fools who espouse it.

    • Lee says:

      01:26pm | 31/05/11

      Australian population = 21,874,900
      World population = 6,775,235,700
      Australia’s contribution to Carbon Output ~ 1.5%
      That’s the real ball mate.
      We can hurt ourselves all you like, wont affect the problem at all.

    • Arthur says:

      02:53pm | 31/05/11

      Whoops, I think you made a mistake:  21 million people is only 0.3% of 6.7 billion but what you’ve said is that we contribute 1.5% of Carbon Output - that’s 5 times our population!  Of course that can’t be right.  We are not such arsehole that we’d produce 5 times the amount of carbon than we should and still not want to do our bit by reducing some of that.  Are we?

    • luke says:

      03:23pm | 31/05/11

      Arthur, so what are you suggesting, we increase our population to over 100 million. The fact is Australia only produces 1.5% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions, per head has nothing to do with it, we can reduce our emissions to zero to satisfy your unreasonable request and the world would will still be stuffed.

    • Arthur says:

      04:29pm | 31/05/11

      @luke - follow that argument to it’s logical conclusion and you’ll quickly realise it is an argument for failure.  After all, why pay taxes?  Why bother doing anything?  None of it matters in the scale of things.

    • luke says:

      04:57pm | 31/05/11

      Arthur, if the government says we only have ten years to act it is already too late to do anything. There is not much difference between either parties policies, both are aiming for 5% reduction on carbon emissions where you pay a tax and the other where you don’t pay a tax.

      Considering our emissions are negligible in the grand scheme of things, I, like the vast majority of Australians do not want to pay a tax when both political parties are offering the same deal.

    • MarK says:

      01:27pm | 31/05/11

      Shame the ads were not truthful or part of your analysis might hold water.

      As it is you sound buthurt you don’t earn the big bucks.

      And again like Farr you twist the point.

      Cate can have all the opinions she wants about public policy.

      Don’t get precious though when they are shoved back up her nether regions and she is called a hypocrite.

      Just as bad as Farrs piece. Just as pointless. So out of touch.

    • Ian says:

      01:31pm | 31/05/11

      I just wonder how much of a footprint is involved in the making of all the DVD covers that sell their precious movies cost the planet, and everytime they knock the top off a bottle of bubbly or crack a can or stubby of their favourite brew, that without the so called bad gas they are advertising about, it would be flat.

    • Peter E says:

      02:45pm | 31/05/11

      yeah your right C02 isnt bad, but noone said that anyway. Its about proportions, too much C02 = BAD too much 02 Also BAD.

      The environment has a delicate balance that needs to be maintained…
      We threw that balance out and now we have to fix it, its our responsibility since we have all contributed to it.

    • Drew says:

      01:32pm | 31/05/11

      “What had really happened was that the republicans had completely stuffed their campaign by leaving much of the talking to celebrities while overlooking their first responsibility – to explain how a republic would work, why we needed one, and how life would change for the better under the new constitutional model.”

      No, what really happened was that Howard manipulated the result by offering a half-baked undemocratic solution as the ONLY republic option on the ballot rather than simply asking “do you support an Australian republic?”. He knew what the answer would be when offering a rubbish choice.

      And if you are going to look at celebrity endorsements during that period lets look at James Blundell’s “The People’s Protest” no-republic song.

      Ironically Mr Blundell believed in a republic, just not the solution offered by Mr Howard. Sound familiar?

    • chaky says:

      01:36pm | 31/05/11

      @Dash Says, you forgot:
      Abbott- Withdrew 1 Billion dollars from the health system when he was the Health Minister;
      Abbott- Introduced work choices without taking it to an election;
      Abbott- fathered an illegitimate child Ahhhh…his not sure how many.

      And the list can go on and on. However, that does not contribute to the current debate on climate change. It just shows the depths conservatives are prepared to go to achieve whatever they believe is their god given right.

      Example: - if Cate supported the no carbon tax campaign, they would have called her a concerned hard working Australian. However, now that she opted to go on what she believes in and is prepared to put her money where her mouth is, she is being demonised as without legitimacy because she is rich. SHAME ON YOU and your lot

    • Dash says:

      05:34pm | 31/05/11

      @Chaky - Lie. Abbott did not take $1billion from the health system. Health funding increased whilst he was health minister. What the ALP tried to do was play games around the LNP budget papers. Actual dollars put into health increased year after year under his time as health minister. Do your research mate and you’ll find how embarressing your statement is.

      It is a fact though that the ALP withdrew $2Billion from Australian families in the last budget! Yet could find $1.7billion for illegal immigrants and money for a propaganda campaign on the carbon tax!

      Yes, and lets hope the ALP lose the next election because not only didn’t they not take the Carbon tax to the election, they deliberately lied about it to the Australian people. Fabricated a story that they would do the opposite! Far far worse and a huge reason why the ALP primary is just a mere 30%!

      Lets have a referendum or an election so that the people of Australia do get the chance to say Yes or No to this tax shall we.

      Release the bloody policy and let the people decide, rather than lie about it on election eve, keep the details from us and then railroad it through the parliament without a mandate!

    • Dawes says:

      01:39pm | 31/05/11

      Oh, David you’re such a lefty yourself.  You just can’t distinguish between your own political drive and your supposed job as a journo.  If it were some celebs in an ad to cut down on illegal boar arrivals you’d be sinking both left boots into them.

    • Curious George says:

      01:40pm | 31/05/11

      Good on Cate for voicing her opinion.  Bagging her out for voicing an opinion is a bit hypocritical don’t you think?

      Bring on the tax please.

    • Kathryn says:

      01:46pm | 31/05/11

      Yes more taxes from a socialist government, no matter how hard you work they want you to be on the same level as the dole bludgers.
      How dare they go into a private school, stick with what Gillard called the “WELFARE” SCHOOLS THAT IS PUBLIC SCHOOLS!
      I am a middle income earner however however has Pricilla Queen of the Desert, Bob Brown taken into account someone like myself who has an autistic son and requires 10 hours of speech therapy per week at a cost of $150 per hour which equates to $$$$6000 per month, unlike the illegal boat rats who get free english lessons, problem is if you do the right thing you get penalised!

    • simon says:

      01:53pm | 31/05/11

      Blanchett and Caton obviously think it’s ok for the PM to lie to us before an election, then after the election backflip and impose the carbon tax against the will of the people like a true dictator. that is disgraceful, and Caton and Blanchett obviously thinks that is ok, well not in my book, Caton and Blanchett are a national disgrace, just like Gillard!!!!

    • Playing the Ball says:

      01:59pm | 31/05/11

      Australia’s carbon dioxide tax would raise about $11.5 billion in its first year, assuming a carbon price initially set at $26 per tonne, the government’s top climate adviser Ross Garnaut said today. This $11.5 Billion will sit on the governments books until the following year when 50% will be paid out. The end of the first year of the carbon dioxide tax is also the same year the budget is meant to return to “surplus” .Can you smell that, it’s the smell of books being cooked!

    • Dash says:

      05:16pm | 31/05/11

      It’s the smell of the pile of shit the ALP are trying to feed us over this disgraceful deceitful socialist lie!

    • Peter E says:

      02:01pm | 31/05/11

      Ok ok for those who dont get it, the idea is that the carbon price will make alternative clean energy sources cheaper and more affordable for everyone. That is the purpose and intention. Its giving it a push in the right direction, because without this push by the time we pull our finger out and “naturally” switch to cleaner energy sources it may be too late.

      The poor/low income earners will not be affected at all, so stop whinging.
      If you are presented with 2 products 1 is cheaper… you will buy the cheaper (most will some wont) if that cheaper product is not green so to speak you still buy the cheaper.

      But if the green product is cheaper you will buy that, that is what this tax will help achieve.

      on a side note KUDOS to Germany for deciding to abandon nuclear power, if such a country can commit to changing its source of power on such a large scale there is no reason why other countries cannot follow suit.

      Lets quit whinging and get on with the job, it can be done, its going to be done, there is no stopping it… only delaying it.

      Delay it too long and it will cost us more money then doing nothing about it. Irregardless of the environmental impact we have to think of our ever expanding population and energy demands from finite energy sources. Oh and we sure as hell dont want a world war over dwindling resources so it would be best to do something about it now before it becomes a problem you cant ignore.

      If it helps put it in perspective having a price on Carbon will give us the “real cost of living” not this cheaper misleading version we currently have at the planets expense.

    • BobM says:

      02:59pm | 31/05/11

      Well Peter E, that would all be well and good if you could trust this government to administer it, but they have proved, time and time again, that they couldn’t manage a one teacher school tuck-shop.  Personally, I think the government should increase the personal income tax of all Labor voters to a flat rate of 80%, and THEY can pay to stop climate change. I’m sure Cate is SO concerned about climate change that she would agree to that, don’t you?

    • T S Sebastien says:

      04:16pm | 31/05/11

      Peter E i disagree. A carbon tax does not make renewable energy cheaper. The price of solar, wind etc will not drop and will remain a fairly expensive source of energy relative to the raw cost of coal fired generation. The tax on carbon intensive energy sources merely makes coal fired generation more expensive relative to renewable energy sources so hence makes these sources of energy “economic”. The facts are there will be a net negative economic impact to the Australian economy and a resulting drop in the living standard. As an Australian citizen I don’t have a problem with this provided that the cost is less than the economic and environmental benefits that can be reaped by reducing Australian carbon emmissions.

      This is where my problems start as by my assumption there is no way the globe has the political will to address this problem until it is way too late. Therefore by my calculations there is actually no benefit to me from the carbon tax and particularly the one as currently promoted that merely churns the impacts to medium and high income earners only. It’s a poor policy who’s one impact will be redistribute income (a change in the income tax rates would do the same trick).

      The better policy would be to for the Government to come clean with Australians that global efforts to prevent global warming are likely to fail and the country must prepare for the impacts through improved infrastructure, energy efficiency, etc.  Lets start investing now and start the projects that have a double impact of limiting the impacts of global warming and improving the productivity of the economy. Yes the money needs to come from somewhere so increased taxes are a given but at least I can see the benefits from that policy.

    • Dash says:

      05:24pm | 31/05/11

      @Peter, why should Middle and High income earners pay for Gillard’s tax?? Please explain that to me.

      Why should the people who are already contributiong the most in revenue to the government and providing them with the most in terms of financial means to fight climate change, pay for this deceitful lie? I’m sick of this stupid nonsense!

    • Peter E says:

      12:04pm | 01/06/11

      I never said it would make it cheaper then it was before, I said It would make it cheaper then the non rewebable energy sources/products. (yeah the carbon intensive products will become more expensive, that will be part of and encourage the transistion, noone said it wouldnt be pain free)

      Dash I hear you and it sounds like WAH WAH WAH poor me middle class/higher class whatever, dont be such an ungrateful prat. You have any idea how lucky you are to have what you have? even our low income earners have got it good, try living in some 3rd world country in poverty before you start whinging again…. and maybe then you will be taken seriously. Try not whinging too about how hard you got it and how you are entitled to everything…

    • Peter Edens says:

      02:05pm | 31/05/11

      Okay, lets say I run a company that produces a product x that attracts a carbon tax of $20 per unit, I just increase the purchase price of x by $20.  The government compensates low and middle income earners who purchase x by giving them $20. 
      How does this help the environment!  Carbon emissions are not reduced!

    • Peter E says:

      02:26pm | 31/05/11

      well then you take some steps to make your product have less of a carbon footprint and you pay less carbon tax… more ppl buy you product because its greener and you make more money while not contributing to the carbon emissions as much as you were before.

      Or you do nothing but whinge about change, so you keep things the same your product becomes more expensive and your customers all start buying someone elses product because it is cheaper then yours and greener. You go out of business and that stops your ineffiecient manufacturing process and polution generated…

      And guess what? that lowers carbon emissions!!!
      I can hear ppl already complain but its too expensive I will go out of business! Sorry but that is business and life, adapt and thrive or stagnate and perish. Its your choice you can do what you will.

    • stevem says:

      03:01pm | 31/05/11

      Or, Product x competes with a similar Chinese made product that is $10 cheaper than x, but people pay that because it’s locally made. Suddenly, product x is now $30 more than the competing Chinese product and nobody buys it. Company folds and 50 people are put out of work. Instead of 1 tonne of CO2 being emitted in Australia 2 tonnes are emitted in a less efficient China.
      Everybody loses.

    • Peter E says:

      11:58am | 01/06/11

      @SteveM

      Customer buys cheap arse poorly manufactured crap from china, breaks in 2 weeks, vows never to buy cheap overseas crap again. Next time buys better Aussie made product that costs slightly more but is green and better value since this product will actually last….

      Wanna keep going along this path?
      You lose…

    • I hate Cate Blachett says:

      02:05pm | 31/05/11

      Cate Blachett is a disgusting putrid haman being. I have always thought that, now that I know she wants to tax me more, I think it even more.

    • Duderocker! says:

      02:27pm | 31/05/11

      A haman being? That’s a character from Dr Who yeah?

    • Peter E says:

      02:37pm | 31/05/11

      lol .... lotta hate, love to see you say that to her face…. if you had the guts. Chances are she probably hates you too, not hard since you seem such a loving easy going person and all….

    • James says:

      10:37am | 01/06/11

      I think this might be a joke

    • Brendon says:

      02:17pm | 31/05/11

      Left, Right, Up, Down .. whatever!

      The planet’s warming up and the ocean’s becoming more acidic.

      Do something about it!

    • Dash says:

      05:21pm | 31/05/11

      Yes lets tax Australian families and sell coal to China in increasing quantities, that will solve everything!

    • scotty says:

      02:29pm | 31/05/11

      “These advertisements are 100 per cent privately-funded”

      Wrong actually - the ACF and other green groups that are funding the ads receive millions in taxpayers money every year from the government.

      Are you really so naive as to think this will have zero effect on their future funding?

    • Bob says:

      02:30pm | 31/05/11

      She deserved the backlash.  After all, from her place of comfort she is advocating a pointless tax that will make life more expensive for all Australians and export our jobs to those bastions of green power and efficiency, China and India.  What, that’s not true?  Their “Carbon pollution” will raise OUR sea levels and bleach our coral?  Aaargh! We are even more doomed!

    • Peter E says:

      03:00pm | 31/05/11

      It only seems pointless to you because you havent been educated about it, or havent made the effort to find out for yourself.

      China’s Government is actually interested in cleaning up their act and making sure that future delvelopment is more eco friendly.

      I’m afraid the only thing that is doomed is your attitude.

    • bikinis on top says:

      02:47pm | 31/05/11

      Did you see or hear Ross Garnaut’s National Press Club address 12.30 pm ABC TV Tuesday 31 May 2011??
      Its time for a Carbon Tax and not the GST.

    • Dash says:

      05:20pm | 31/05/11

      You are kidding me!!!! The top 10% of taxpayers already contribute 50% of the PAYG tax revenue! And they are paying practically all of the flood levy and their families will get zero compensation for Gillard’s carbon tax! And you want to get rid of the GST and put even more burden on the people already paying the lions share of tax. You are a sick communist fool!

    • Peter E says:

      12:07pm | 01/06/11

      Oh poor Dash .... doing it so tough oh no what will you do? barely surviving to be able to put food on the table…. you poor thing you.

      Lets change it so you can have more money, you must need it from what your saying? or is it perhaps you just cant live within your means and like to whinge all the time about how YOU dont get enough?

      WAH WAH WAH

    • Presto says:

      12:28pm | 01/06/11

      Dash
      No, you’re kidding me.

      The bottom 50% of taxpayers pay 90% of the PAYG tax revenue.
      Dickheads like you have tax dodges and avoid paying any tax.

      Capitalist Pig.

    • albie says:

      03:11pm | 31/05/11

      These lefty ass wipes can dish it it out but pick up their cricket bats and balls and run home to mummy when someone gives a bit back!
      What’s the matter sookens? If you can’t stand the heat then should get out of the kitchen and leave it to the grown ups!

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      03:50pm | 31/05/11

      Yes because grown-ups call people names all the time. Tool.

    • Shama says:

      03:54pm | 31/05/11

      Got to love the fact that the ad is made by a firm called “Republic of Everyone”:-) Who were on the ABC not long back. Even for a leftist, all this seems too incestuous.

    • Jim says:

      04:10pm | 31/05/11

      She’s a frikkin’ actor FFS! Who gives a shit what she thinks?

      Now all the GetUp! movement need to sell the Carbon Tax is Boony and Rafter, everyone loves them!

      This is a typical pseudointellectual leftist spiel lacking substance. The labor party lied and have no mandate to implement this tax.

      Lets have an election to see if Australians want it.

    • Simon says:

      04:12pm | 31/05/11

      I read this and I felt rage against Penberthy. I uttered abuse much worse than anything I have directed at Cate.  That’s my right .  As it’s Penberthy’s right to write drivel and Cate’s right to be a supercilious scold with dangerously totalitarian sympathies.

      Give me what Cate’s earning and you can abuse me 24/7 - I wouldn’t care. And I doubt whether she does. 

      It’s her unctuous defenders like Penberthy that are annoying me. No one’s saying she doesn’t have the right to say what she does - but if you become a participant in one of the biggest political stoushes in the country you’re going to cop a bit.

    • Brendan says:

      04:22pm | 31/05/11

      My God, I’m in shock - a reasonable non hypocritical commentary emanating from a News Ltd employee.
      The sun must surely rise in the west tomorrow

    • Ian says:

      04:23pm | 31/05/11

      The tax cannot reduce emissions from foreign nations, if anything, it will shift business from here to there where the tax doesn’t exist - so business profits are not negatively impacted upon.  In short, the tax is a con, and detrimental to our way of life.  But I will defend Cate’s right to her view - as partial to the stance of the Greens/Labor dyad as it is.  But I can’t help feeling she ‘took the ring from Frodo’ and is well and truly wearing it this time.  Has she passed your test?

    • RyaN says:

      04:38pm | 31/05/11

      And the elitist leftie journalist jumps to his fellow elitists defense. I don’t suppose you will feel too much pain from a Carbon Tax hey Penbo, you like Carbon Cate probably see covering your roof in solar panels as mere “coffee money” and have no problem leeching your feed in tarriffs off the hard working apartment owners or renters who pay massively inflated electricity prices to compensate you rich leftist elites for patting yourselves on the back.
      Then you smug elitist cashed up assholes have the hide to come on here or on ads and lecture us.

    • B of Kedron says:

      06:33pm | 31/05/11

      Artiststs are just like politicians, they rely on being popular to to make a living in their chosen field. However, Artists don’t get looked after by the taxpayer for their whole life like politicians do after they leave or lose their seat. Abbot and his crew can sit pretty knowing if the worst happens they will still get tax funded income for the rest of their lives.

    • RyaN says:

      10:50am | 01/06/11

      @B of Kedron: sorry, not trying to be offensive or anything, this is a genuine question. What point exactly were you trying to make?

    • Kelly says:

      04:43pm | 31/05/11

      I just can’t understand how Caton can reconcile the fact he is quite happily flogging Maccas .... where is his moral compass pointing in that regard?

      Not that I personally have a problem with Maccas, but they are usually painted as the nutrional anti-Christ ....

    • Fair shake of the millionaire says:

      04:45pm | 31/05/11

      Penbo, don’t misrepresent the complaints. Everyone believes she has a right to say what she wants to say, they just hate what she’s saying, especially because SHE is saying it.

      If a man wearing a bullet proof vest asks you to line up beside him to get shot for some ephemeral “greater good”, would you do it? No. You’d raise your middle finger and point out that it’s all well and good for THEM, but not for you. it’s no different here.

    • James says:

      06:16pm | 31/05/11

      To me it comes down to this whatever you say about Cate Blanchette you have to admit she has guts to take a stand on an issue in such a public way, if you don’t have the same intestinal fortitude why should you be listened to as you snipe from the sidelines?

    • Robinoz says:

      06:41pm | 31/05/11

      Even well-heeled actors have to make a buck and they also feel as though they should do their bit to support Australia and everything else good and wonderful. Many of them do some excellent work assisting others with their $s.

      I don’t mind that Cate and what’s his name get some dough for advertising, but I’d prefer to see someone promote climate change who is actually a climate change expert and not some actor. Some of the intellectually lean people in our community would think that if Cate says it’s good, she’d have to know. That may not be the case.

    • Not Cate says:

      07:01pm | 31/05/11

      Carbon tax for dummies

      Let’s put this into a bit of perspective for laymen!

      The proposed carbon tax is another big tax. It is equal to putting up the GST to 12.5% which would be unacceptable and produce an outcry.
      Read the following analogy and you will realize the insignificance of carbon dioxide as a weather controller.
      Pass on to all in your address book including politicians and may be they will listen to their constituents, rather than vested interests which stand to gain by a Carbon Tax.
      Here’s a practical way to understand Julia Gillard’s Carbon Tax.
      Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let’s go for a walk along it.

      The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.

      The next 210 metres are Oxygen.

      That’s 980 metres of the I kilometre. 20 metres to go.

      The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.

      9 metres are Argon. Just 1 more metre.

      A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre,

      The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that’s carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot.

      97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. Now out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.

      That’s the carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.

      And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in 0.18 of a millimetre.

      This is less than the thickness of a human hair. Out of a whole kilometre!

      As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia’s contribution to what Julia Gillard, the Labor party and the Greenies call Carbon Pollution.
      Imagine Brisbane’s new Gateway Bridge ready to be opened by Julia Gillard. It’s been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its I kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Julia and the Greens say we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there’s a human hair on the roadway. We’d laugh ourselves silly, at this proposition.

      There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about.

      It’s hard to imagine that Australia’s contribution to carbon dioxide in the world’s atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones. And we can’t believe that a new tax on everything is the only way to blow that pesky hair away.

    • Crap Filter says:

      07:44pm | 31/05/11

      You can stick a fork in this one, it’s done to a turn.

      The Greenhouse effect can keep the planet “just right”. But add to greenhouse gasses with man-made emissions and you get a feedback problem - global warming. AGW is greenhouse,manmade feedback problem.

      CO2-equivalent; Carbon price.
      Short hand for the lot, and a price on the lot. 

      All explained over and over and over.

    • persephone says:

      08:03pm | 31/05/11

      So if I put this tiny tiny drop of strychnine - less than one part in a thousand - in your soup, you won’t mind?

      It’s so small, it can’t make any difference….

    • The Badger says:

      08:32pm | 31/05/11

      Carbon tax for dummies
      Not Cate, this means you.

      Let’s put this into a bit of perspective for laymen!

      CO2 amounts to .039% of the atmosphere. Doesn’t seem like much does it?

      The atmosphere as you know is composed of gases. The most abundant of these are nitrogen and oxygen. These account for 99% of the atmosphere.
      If you could separate all the gases that comprise the atmosphere and fit them into 1billion glass jars (1,000,000,000)
      Oxygen would take up 209,500,000 jars
      Nitrogen would take up 780,800,000 jars
      Carbon dioxide which is .039% of the atmosphere, would take up 390,000 jars.
      Not much compared to the big 2 is it? You might be thinking ,how can something that is just a trace gas have the potential to be so harmful.

      Consider this. Ozone which is .000004% of the atmosphere, would take up 40 jars out of a billion.
      Yet, if all developed nations had not taken action by signing and taking action to address the depletion of this “trace” gas in the 1987 Montreal Protocol, by 2065, we would not have been able to go out into the sunshine. We would have become a species of mole men.

      This is an example of how it is possible to actually do something about an environmental problem. One wonders if we had discovered this growing ozone hole in the age of the internet would the ignorant voices have prevented us from addressing the issue. Fifty years from now would we have been heading down into our burrows never to feel the warmth of the sun upon our faces again?

    • susan Q says:

      08:58pm | 31/05/11

      Good God man what are you trying to do?  Facts?  About ‘Climate Change’?  Don’t you know what the reality will do to the zombies of that religion?

      Brilliant example of the stone-cold quackery of the IPCC and their obsession with proven ‘Man controls nature’ so that they can increase their funding.

      Should be compulsory reading in schools for a start.

    • Sam P says:

      09:06pm | 31/05/11

      Pull the other one Crap Filter its got bells on.

      Its over.  The quackery has been exposed.  AGW is a dud theory that our kids will laugh about and people like you will pretend that “I always thought it was bullsh*t”.

      Worth a try for the funding I guess but still criminal fraud at its heart.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      09:37pm | 31/05/11

      We have been over this so many times. CO requires an amplifying water vapour layer as yet not found by the hundreds of high altitude balloons looking for it. Yet persephone and co of the dept of information ignore this minor detail and continue to harp on about the goodness of redistribution in a roundabout fashion, like good little communists.

      CO2 is a plant food, something all good greenies should be pumping in the air, as I can probably claim you do on a daily basis. The price of carbon should at negative $26 to start with to encourage more of it being pumped into the air so plant can grow stronger and healthier.

    • Crap filter says:

      09:37pm | 31/05/11

      Nice one, Badger.

      Seems Not Cate couldn’t quite get the maths and the O3 comparison herself, though its a bloody good one.

      Classy work there, mate.

    • Crap filter says:

      09:40pm | 31/05/11

      Oops! Meant Susan Q, if it matters.  Dear oh dear.

      Still, nice work, Badger!

    • Its small like your brain. says:

      11:53am | 01/06/11

      @ not cate most stupid reasoning i’ve heard, you obviously got the chain email that went around spurting propaganda and believed it….  fool! piss weak arguement with no science or logic behind its reasoning.
      Like persephonie said you wont mind if we put a tiny drop of poison in your soup… because its so small it wont do anything right? Hmmm atoms are pretty small too, if you split them they wont have any noticable effect if you split them because they are so small…

    • thatmosis says:

      07:24pm | 31/05/11

      You have got to love the Labor trolls getting their knickers in a twist because others have the temerity to question our fearless leader and her bunch of morons. The Government might not have paid for the adds but the Unions, aka, the government, did and I ask you, did they ask their members if they could spend this money to promote a Labor/Green/Independant policy that over 80% of people do not agree with. I think not. This is just an excuse for the Government to say, “we didnt make the adds” whilst everyone knows that they were the instigators. As for the Green groups that put money in well what can one say, living in Lala Land must be a wonderful way to spend your time. Here’s an idea, go to Germany who by all accounts are closing all their Nuclear power plants and going 100% alternative and enjoy living back in the dark ages.

    • unbelievable says:

      07:54pm | 31/05/11

      It’s not about Cate, although I am astounded that she thought she wouldn’t have a negative effect, but about who the MORONS were that decided having an actor who is worth millions defending a new tax would be a good idea!  Whether or not you agree with the tax is one thing but you have to shake your head at who was employed by the Govt and actually suggested this would be a good marketing idea…it isn’t!  It should have showed maybe a family, some factory workers, even an older working Australian, placing a wealthy person in this was a recipe for disaster…whomever even suggested it needs sacking or a re-education in PR.

    • Crap Filter says:

      08:56pm | 31/05/11

      Nup. It isn’t a Gov’t ad.

      And nothing, nothing, will EVER make it right for Cate Blanchett to have been called a whore, in this thread.

    • unbelievable says:

      10:30pm | 31/05/11

      Well, if it isn’t a Govt ad then whichever org or institute decided on this as an approach needs to rethink who they are employing in marketing and pr…seriously…and who called her a ‘whore’ certainly wasn’t me and I hope you aren’t suggesting that I did.

    • james III says:

      10:39pm | 31/05/11

      @ Crap Filter…

      Blanchett - the hard line republican mades millions from Elizabeth… Blanchett the hard line greenie makes thousands from Audi…  Blanchett the patriot proudly gives us the Orwellian spin and incompetence of Kevin Rudd..  she is a tr0llop pure and simple.  Will do anything for money and to get her sallow mug on the screen.

      Stands for nothing and thus has fallen for everything.

    • Crap filter says:

      08:37am | 01/06/11

      The offensive “whore” remark, by “Ray”, was in the Bugger Cate thread
      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/climate-change-bugger-cate-we-must-all-act/
      later - much later - silently deleted.

      That thread now has a number of other late posts not fit for minors to read, and so offensive I’ll not even quote them, but still allowed to stand there.

      Revolting.

    • AAAdam says:

      10:01am | 01/06/11

      That’s really sad they deleted the comment. I am a big believer in free speech, even if people say stuff I don’t like. I’vebeen called a whore before and it was no big deal. And we can never really know what might offend someone else (and ave no control over the extent someone may take offence to something said), so we should never be censored in the name of PC or to avoid offending people. Rather, if someone is offended they should exercise their right to stop listening, or better yet, just harden up and get over it. It’s only a word after all, and it can only offend them as much they let it offend them.

    • Fed up with lies says:

      09:19pm | 31/05/11

      Nice one Penbo.

      Finish the article with a quote from Bob Carr.

      The elitist lefty who after running NSW into the ground, leaving his mess behind for a full pension, full-time driver and office in the Sydney CBD walks into a plum consultancy role and directorships? Yeah, I bet he is sweating about his mortgage and kids….oh..that’s right…he has no kids.

      Credibility epic fail. No one is buying it. You may better have concluded with a quote from Trotsky….oops, I meant Garnaut.

      Punch this.

    • Noelene says:

      09:46pm | 31/05/11

      persephone says on strychnine
      Strychnine
      The lethal dose for adults varies.
                          The minimal oral human lethal dose ranges
                          from 30 to 120 mg.  When given intravenously
                          or subcutaneously, the lethal dose is
                          significantly lower.
      Looks like it takes more than one drop,if you want to be so weird as to compare a poison to a life giving substance(CO2)then use google first is my advice.

    • Peter E says:

      09:39am | 03/06/11

      Maybe you should actually read what she said? She never said it was a lethal dose… where did you get that idea?
      She said “It’s so small, it can’t make any difference….” You know what that would do? a drop? Wont kill you, but you will be very very sick.
      Its whats found in lethal mushrooms and in rat poision that stops the blood clotting.

      But sure get caught up in the details…. get it wrong… and miss the point she was making all together. Nice one moron.

    • HeatherG says:

      11:55pm | 03/06/11

      Peter E, what Perseph used is a “fallacy of comparison”. She took an argument by trying to form a metaphor with a non equivalent comparison.

      “A drop (usually 30mg) of strychnine in your bowl of soup (of perhaps 2-odd metric cups)” =/= “a hair’s width in a kilometre” of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

      An equivalent argument would be a millogram drop or so in a metric tonne of soup (presuming strychnine has an equivalent mass to water), which would not only be nowhere near enough to make one sick or dead but is probably similar to what we’d consume naturally without even knowing it.

      Conversely, if the carbon dioxide level was the equivalent of a 3/5000th part of soup, then the argument comparison would also bear weight.

      As it is, it’s a logical, distracting nonsense, as the logical answer to her question would be “no one would care, because no one would notice” if her amounts were equivalencies.

      I don’t mind debate, I don’t disagree with the need to diminish pollution, but taxing Co2 will not help. It is a money grab, pure and simple, one that most Australians disagree with, and most cannot afford.

      As I have said before, my major concern is the underhanded deception utilised to push it through. We complain about the lack of truth in politics, but then rusted-ons come out and defend a politician’s apparent right to tell lies before an election “for the good that the masses apparently don’t understand so we’ll decide for you.” The precedent is dangerous. The Labor party, whether you agree they should be there or not, were definitively NOT elected with this mandate. As such, they need to take it to either a referendum or an election.

    • Cate P says:

      10:26pm | 31/05/11

      The derision just shows how much people do not like this tax.  If they didn’t mind it they wouldn’t be fussed.

    • Conserned says:

      10:32pm | 31/05/11

      Good onya Kate. I admire you for trying to do something about this senseless negativity and fear campaigning that is going on. I know that my grandchildren are far more important to me that the nation just sitting back and doing nothing. What ever happened to the Australian way of a fair go for everyone and doing the right thing by each other. We used to set an example to the rest of the world. Obviously the almighty dollar and greed has overtaken good values. Keep up the good work Kate, you are a heroin in my eyes.

    • Steve says:

      08:50am | 01/06/11

      Your spelling errors suggest that you are either not widely read, or are a careless typist. This debate is important. Do some reading on BOTH sides of the issue, before forming and expressing opinions; and when you do, be more careful.

    • Peter E says:

      12:46pm | 01/06/11

      Yep and then when your better read you can start making up all kind of BS that sounds plausible ..... until you actually think about it, just like Steve here! Because he is very well read!

    • M. says:

      11:06pm | 31/05/11

      This of course, has nothing to do with the Environment, and everything to do with tax, and wealth re-distribution, and more powerful, centralised, government, and a dream by the Fabian Socialists to empower themselves and their ideals further.

      The cynical statements released over the last day or so, tell low-to-middle income earners that they will actually make money out of this. So it is a cynical vote buy. What they don’t explain is that what is given with one hand, will be taken away by the other.. over time…

      This is a grab at your cash. I wouldn’t even mind if the Government had a new tax, could explain why it was required, and told the truth about what it was, but Carbon Trading, Carbon Tax, Carbon Credits, Anthropogenic Climate Change, is all a B.S. cover-story for something much larger.

      A desire by Governments world-wide to tax industry and individuals more, so they have more money to waste. We never hear about Governments reducing the waste of their taxation do we? They always find a way to spend it on crap.

      Al Gore, (not wanting to pick on one individual, as there are plenty) one of the biggest Climate Change alarmists for example, is a massive carbon producer and has a number of large houses. I thnk recently he had a $30,000 utility bill… hmm.. something doesn’t quite add up.

      As for Climate Science, there has been such a loss of credibility in those so-called Climate Scientists ranting the loudest about anthropogenic climate change, and how you will all be swimming to work in 25 degree water, that anyone trying to convince you that it is still real, should be immediately placed in a straight-jacket and sent to a mental institution, or just disregarded as an uninformed fool.

    • Hugo says:

      05:20am | 01/06/11

      I find it extraordinary that those who support the views of a Labor government, or anyone other than the Coalition, are labelled, “progressives” - implying that everyone else is a luddite. It is not progressive to jump on the bandwagon of an ill-conceived scheme to redistribute yet more wealth justified by some pseudo science about AGW.

    • Ben says:

      08:04am | 01/06/11

      Anthropogenic climate change is real, sticking our heads in the sand and random name calling won’t help anything. Australians are amongst the worst per capita carbon emitters in the world - a reduction of 5% won’t even bring us in line with the US. I am a working father who is supporting my family, and I agree with Cate. Barnaby Joyce, you don’t represent me. Telegraph, shame on you for claiming to speak out for me when really you’re speaking for Rupert Murdoch, a man who’s wealth dwarfs that of the woman you’re trying to scapegoat.

    • Brian Watts says:

      08:29am | 01/06/11

      Oh Puleeeease David.  Firstly the ads are funded by Government.  Indirectly by way of funding to all parties involved.  This admission was finally conceded, yesterday or the day before.  And secondly,  I am sick and tired being told what to do by people who have little idea how tough life really is in some households; for one reason or another.  I will concede that Cate Blanchett is consistant and in many respects I have nothing against her.  But to watch her pontificate on a number of Political issues as she has done in the past puts me right off as the are always from the left elitist viewpoint.  As for Caton, well on this hand he fronts McDonalds, and on the other hand, and I know this is drawing a long bow, but indirectly says they should put the price of their hamburgers up because they they must pay for their sins.  I dont eat the rubbish, I do drink their coffee and I note that whenever I go in to get one, the line to the food bin is always as full as a state school hat rack.  I dont think any sensible person would deny the climate is changing.  But to put it down to man given the small input he has into it, is as about as absurd as it gets.  And to turn it into a wealth distribution excercise is about as low as you can get.  Unfortunatly I dont have the space to continue with my view on the race for mediocrity in this Country.  But you only have to visit 90% of business, schools, Uni’s to see if for yourself.  As far as I am concerned, the race continues

    • RBarron says:

      10:19am | 01/06/11

      The funny thing is that people out here are not play at all. In the western suburbs of sydney it is getting hard to pay the bills and put food on the table.
      It is not a job anymore and they what to impose a new tax. It is time to take to the streets. I don’t and have never had a credit card so we cann’t live above our means.

      Who bloody cares what these out of touch disconnected people think. Come out to Granville and tell the people that they have to pay more for everything that requires carbon energy when they can’t afford the things they use too less than 2 years ago. People are battling to live now let alot when doubling the power bills happening under a carbon tax.

      And for WHAT for an Unproven Hypothesis and The Government’s Chief Climate Commissioner Professor Tim Flannery in his own voice saying on radio that If the Australia stopped emissions tomorrow you would see a change in 1000 years and if the whole world stopped ALL emissions ALL they we wouldn’t see a change in maybe 200 years. When asked the size of the change couldn’t give a figure. The change would be 1/1000 of 1 degree. And all emissions means ALL, no power no nothing that produces carbon.
      WE ARE BEING HAD.

      Funny Juliar said Cate can have her say when do We the people get our say. Because Juliar only got there on a lie. There would be no Carbon Tax under the Government I lead.
      GIVE THE PEOPLE A SAY JULIAR.
      A Referendum.
      We have the RIGHT
      Why don’t you Juliar protect our right to have a say.
      Or do we have to take to the streets.

    • By says:

      11:25am | 01/06/11

      Ethnic cleansing was an essential part of the socialist program before Hitler had taken any action in the matter. The Left, for a century, was proud of its ruthlessness, and scornful of the delicacy of its opponents. ``You can’t make an omelette,’’ Beatrice Webb once told a visitor who had seen cattle cars full of starving people in the Soviet Unions, ``without breaking eggs.’‘

      Says it all doesnt it

    • James says:

      12:18pm | 01/06/11

      No it says absolutely nothing.  Vague assertion is not “something”.

    • James says:

      12:24pm | 01/06/11

      Dear Punchers,

      This is not a left wing/right wing issue any more than a sewerage system is a left wing/right wing issue, it is about what direction our future infrastructure investment takes. Please get a clue before you launch into your well worn verbal vomit or be consigned to uninformed idiot section of all future decision making.

      Regards,

      James

    • Peter E says:

      01:15pm | 01/06/11

      Nice one James I like your style straight to the point!

    • Henry says:

      02:27pm | 01/06/11

      Exactly.  And future infrastructure decisions should be freely decided by the MARKET!  NOT a socialist govt FORCING, CRIPPLING and NANNYING business and workers into investing huge money into dodgy technology based on the views of GOVT CHOSEN ‘elites’ claiming the world is going to end due to a theory that has NOT been proven.

      If you want the Govt to decide for you - go to Russia or North Korea.

    • James says:

      03:30pm | 01/06/11

      No you need to let engineers and scientists decide what is best, the market is not designed to choose which generation infrastructure is best in the long term.  If the market got it right in the long term we would not have had the GFC.

    • Steve says:

      04:17pm | 01/06/11

      @James, “If the market got it right in the long term we would not have had the GFC”

      The problem there was not the markets per se, but the manipulation thereof. Had there been full disclosure of risk, the markets would have worked well despite the human greed and other emotions involved.

    • James says:

      06:15pm | 01/06/11

      Yes and if only the Russian people had been good little vegemites communism might have worked.  Coulda, shoulda, woulda the proof is in the pudding the market has its place but accurately determining risk (or planning infrastructure) ain’t its strong point, 100 + major crashes world wide have proven that.

    • Steve says:

      10:54pm | 01/06/11

      Agreed. Corruption is a problem for markets. However, it is also a problem for governments. Which type of corruption would you rather suffer? At least we have a hope of managing it in a market. Government corruption is almost untrammeled. Just ask the Russians!

    • James says:

      10:53am | 02/06/11

      Clearly the Soviet system was a total train wreck, mainly because it to on the shape of an out-and-out dictatorship.  However, I feel no safer placing my economic future in the hands of the “masters of the universe” on Wall st, who, as far as I am concerned are all due for life sentences for what they have done. 

      I am not so sure we can manage market corruption as far as I can see most of the saboteurs of the Western world are walking around free as birds, historically speaking, if you did the sort of damage they have done to a country you would be shot for high treason.

      I would rather put my faith in traditional markets i.e. no derivatives, with the execption of agricutural futures and scientific and engineering experts planning our infrastructure.

      The snake oil that is the modern derivative combined with a corrupt US federal reserve has pretty much destroyed the strongest economy in the world, why aren’t thousands of wall st bankers in jail?

    • Suzy says:

      01:15pm | 01/06/11

      It is unfortunate that our own politicians appear to do no more than play the man.  I have not yet heard any political press statement which in any way attempts to explain to the Australian public the scientific arguments for and against a Carbon tax and how and why a carbon tax is good for us.  The limited amount of information suggests it will achieve nothing more than a costly exercise in the collection and divesting of money.  The tax will undoubtedly result in increased costs but the real question is what effect will this have on carbon emissions.  I wonder whether it will have any effect at all and whether things will continue as they are - except for the money-go-round.  I’d appreciate it if the politicians of our day stopped behaving in such a paternalistic manner as though we just have to take our medicine but can be kept in the dark about the reason we have to have the medicine and why it is going to make things better.

    • Suzy says:

      01:15pm | 01/06/11

      It is unfortunate that our own politicians appear to do no more than play the man.  I have not yet heard any political press statement which in any way attempts to explain to the Australian public the scientific arguments for and against a Carbon tax and how and why a carbon tax is good for us.  The limited amount of information suggests it will achieve nothing more than a costly exercise in the collection and divesting of money.  The tax will undoubtedly result in increased costs but the real question is what effect will this have on carbon emissions.  I wonder whether it will have any effect at all and whether things will continue as they are - except for the money-go-round.  I’d appreciate it if the politicians of our day stopped behaving in such a paternalistic manner as though we just have to take our medicine but can be kept in the dark about the reason we have to have the medicine and why it is going to make things better.

    • Bill says:

      04:39pm | 01/06/11

      So when a bush-fire burns - how does it know what sort of CO2 to produce (man-made or natural) ...does it depend on how the fire was started (eg, by man (accidentally or deliberately) or by say a lightning strike - that would have to be natural eh?) Does it depend on the actual materials burned - eg specific types of trees/bushland produce different ‘types’ of CO2 ??? Or does it depend on the amount of tax we pay in a ETS or Carbon Tax system?

      Evidently, bush-fire such as “Ash Wednesday” produced more CO2 than all of Australia’s fossil fueled power stations did in over 20 years ... so I’d like to know!

    • Fireman says:

      06:11pm | 01/06/11

      Ok Bill your just being stupid. You know the answer to that smartarse. But question is can you think beyond that and work out what this is really about?

      Fires do happen, derrrrr thanks for that revelation , however fires dont stay constantly buring year after year getting bigger and bigger though do they?

      Humans however keep breeding at incredable rates with each one contributing a significant portion of CO2 emmisions via our lifestyles, this population is a constantly growing figure day by day.

      So having said that you seriously want to compare bushfires C02 emmisions to humans contribution? Ironically I imagine you thought you were being smart making that point….

    • Bill says:

      08:16pm | 01/06/11

      @Fireman

      1. Fires *DO* generally burn year after year - not the same fire but new ones - we generally call it ‘Bushfire Season’ - thought you’d know that - you being a fireman, and all!

      2. They don’t *need* to stay constantly burning ... Ash Wednesday fires accounted for more CO2 than 20 years of burning coal to provide electrical power in Australia. They lasted no more than a few days yet produced all of that nasty CO2 stuff.

      Hopefully though, it would have been ‘natural’ carbon molecules binding with a couple of ‘natural’ oxygen molecules (as opposed to the other sort!) to produce “nice” carbon-dioxide which - unlike the other stuff, seemingly doesn’t have the same catastrophic consequences!!!

      3. Are you really suggesting that we humans don’t have a right to breed? To further the species? Because we might damage the planet and it wouldn’t be safe to live here!!! Hmmmm!

      4. Did you forget about the death rate?

      5. Are you really a fireman?

      6. What colour is your fire-truck?

      Oh - and yes please ... I’d like to start a graph which “compares CO2 emissions to humans contribution” ... could you make a start on that for us please?  Oh ... what?  ....you don’t have access to any accurate data??? Well lets just make some up then - or you could borrow the made up stuff that the UN IPCC already fabricated!

    • Mark Porter says:

      12:39am | 03/06/11

      Penbo, I read your article and thought you made some good points. Then I read the comments (yes, every single, fucking one of them!) and have sadly come to the conclusion that many of my countrymen are emotionally retarded.

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