Here is a quick multiple choice question. I am writing this column because:

Hey Julia, have you tried pressing this?

A) Rupert Murdoch instructed me to in his morning email;
B) I am on a personal mission to destroy the ALP;
C) The regular columnist is on holiday and I had to cobble together something at the last minute to fill this giant white space.

If you are a member of the Greens, a self-proclaimed ethicist or a journalism lecturer you will of course know the answer is A. It’s perhaps best that you stop reading now, as to actually find out the truth would ruin your next six-part lecture series at the Enmore Anarchist Collective.

If you are Stephen Conroy you will of course know the answer is B. It’s perhaps also best that you stop reading now, as I am about to provide some very helpful advice on how to save the ALP and I’d rather it went to someone who knew what to do with it.

If you work in a major media organisation you will of course know the answer is C, although if you really worked in the media you wouldn’t be reading this because it’s got someone else’s byline on it.

Option C is just one of the many explosive revelations people can expect to hear at the media inquiry being pushed for by Bob Brown and apparently embraced by the Gillard Government. Indeed, the most certain result of an inquiry into the media is that a wealth of time and energy will be wasted on a series of disappointing anti-climaxes.

At least they will know how my ex-girlfriends feel.

It is perfectly emblematic of the Gillard-Greens style of governance that they are setting up a full-scale taxpayer-funded parliamentary inquiry to find out how the media works. Previous governments simply hired someone who knew.

And that is the Gillard Government’s real problem with the media: The PM’s office has been so thoroughly bled of talent that it just doesn’t have anyone in there who really understands it.

Political parties and the media have always had a close – if at times fractious – relationship, and that is not just perfectly natural but necessary for either to function for the public good.

Journos need to be able to understand politics in order to report and comment on it and politicians need to be able to understand the media in order to get their message across.

But within the current Labor Government – purged as it has been by Kevin Rudd’s overworking of his staff, the exodus following his assassination, the shocking election result and the disasters since – there are too few steady hands who have genuine knowledge of the media; neither how it works, nor how to work it.

In short the Government’s spin skills are, medically speaking, retarded.

A prime example of this is the much-bleated complaint that “the Murdoch press is against us”. This position is firstly stupid because it is wrong and ignores the fact that Murdoch newspapers openly supported the last Labor leader to legitimately win an election – only to watch him get knifed by the complainers in question.

But even more worryingly, let’s pretend for a moment they are right. Let’s say these ministers really believe that News Ltd is a heartless and omnipotent machine with the sole purpose of destroying Labor. Having come to the conclusion that this force is powerful enough to slash 15 points off the polls and is looking for an excuse to destroy the Government, their survival strategy is to pick a fight with it.

I mean who is advising these guys? Kamikazes?

Likewise when the News of the World scandal broke overseas, some in the Government saw it as the perfect opportunity for the Prime Minister to state publicly that whatever disagreements she may have had with the press in the past, the culture here was vastly different to that in the UK and completely untainted by such disgraceful behaviour.

This statement, they reasoned, would have been not just completely correct but also a goodwill gesture that would have greatly improved the PM’s relationship with the media. A chance to start off again on the right foot.

But of course such sound advice was ignored and instead the PM got wrapped up in the Greens’ belief in a global media conspiracy, blaming her woes on negative press coverage.

Of course as most people understand, a free and robust media will always be critical of any government – let alone one that has hit new lows on pretty much every indicator from electoral performance to policy consistency to leadership stability to polling.

A smart government would find a way to overcome this by finding a story that people will listen to. That means playing ball with the media and getting its strokes right, rather than smashing the racquet after every double-fault.

The Government’s proposed new privacy laws are just this kind of petulance and a clumsily transparent attempt at payback for a media that wasn’t the guilty party in the first place. It’s like farting at the dinner table and then kicking the dog: Nobody falls for it and everyone is left embarrassed.

Instead of lying awake at night plotting revenge fantasies, the PM and her ministers would do themselves and the public better service if they just accepted they were copping a well-deserved belting and started looking around for a chance to hit the reset button.

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    • TomTom says:

      06:18am | 26/07/11

      Thanks Joe and not a mention of Abbott. I say sock it to them.

    • George - not a Gillard Green rah rah rent a crowd says:

      07:44am | 26/07/11

      @TomTom

      You ‘invoked’  Tony Abbott.  Admit it like the Gillard Greens rah rah rent a crowd squad Hildebrand mentions here you just can’t help it!

      But hey ‘sock it to the Gillard Green rah rah squad ( if that’s what you meant) so be it!

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      10:28am | 26/07/11

      Well said, Joe. i do love your articles.

    • Sherlock says:

      06:21am | 26/07/11

      We now have a government (or at least a government coalition partner) that want’s to hold an enquiry into the media. Not all the media only the media that refuses to toe the government line.

      Furthermore, members of this same political party is demanding that businesses state in writing that they agree with a certain want of thinking or the government (albeit in this case, local government) will arrange a boycott of that company’s goods and services.

      Hello. Is this Australia in 2011 or some totalitarian regime of the 1930’s?

      Our Prime Minister, instead of shutting down the government coalition partners, comes out and says that this politically inconvenient media organisation has some hard questions to answer.

      The hard question I want an answer to is why aren’t we marching in the streets at this attack on our freedom? When a political party attempts to put pressure on any media organisation simply because they don’t fully support the party line is frightening.

    • Debra says:

      07:16am | 26/07/11

      I totally agree Sherlock. It scared me watching ABC’s Q&A last night. The criticism on shock jocks, placard’s in rallies and what was said at forums against the carbon tax and this government we had to have was unbelievable and further more it was encouraged by the host, Tony Jones.

      Suppressing freedom of speech when emotions are running high about something the vast majority don’t want eg carbon tax and a bad government is asking for trouble in what should be a robust democratic society. In a democracy isn’t the reason we have the rule of law to take care of extreme violence and the media left alone to do their job without interference from any political party.

    • Tedd says:

      07:59am | 26/07/11

      The left is now reacting to the rantings of the right.

      The debate that should be in the middle has been abandoned.
      For Tribalism.

      Labor can’t explain. Abbot just complains. with one liners.

      The carbon tax will set Australia’s economy on a more steady path, regardless of whether the majority don’t want it.

    • Damocles says:

      09:05am | 26/07/11

      @ Tedd….“The carbon tax will set Australia’s economy on a more steady path, regardless of whether the majority don’t want it.”???? WTF???? A steady path??? Yeah, a steady path down, down, down, down…into RUIN! Regardless of what the majority want?? Are you for real?? So what you’re saying is the majority shouldn’t be listened to and heeded, only the minority peddling a destructive agenda should be heard? Is that right? Mate you must want to live in a different country to me and the MAJORITY of Australians! Feel free to pack your bags and move out. Australia should be free of this morally corrupt excuse for a “government” and we WILL BE, have no doubt about that! It’s only a matter of time and the shorter the time the better.

    • dazed says:

      09:08am | 26/07/11

      Debra when I saw the line up for Q & A I laughed and watched the new show on Channel 10.

    • dazed says:

      09:08am | 26/07/11

      Debra when I saw the line up for Q & A I laughed and watched the new show on Channel 10.

    • ausspud says:

      02:16pm | 26/07/11

      @Ted
      Bullshit,the carbon tax is like putting tariffs on Aus only products.
      Only this government can be so stupid.

      Good article Joe

    • andye says:

      07:52pm | 26/07/11

      @Damocles - “???? WTF???? A steady path??? Yeah, a steady path down, down, down, down…into RUIN!”

      If there was anyone who actually wanted to debate the Carbon Tax, I would. There is no analysis, however. Just doomsaying. Apparently this tax is going to completely destroy the economy, cause destructive tsunamis, shift the moon from its orbit, slap your nana in the face, reunite Creed and urinate in your socks. For starters.

      Has anyone a reasoned argument why this will lead to apocalyptic moneygeddon?

    • Jotun says:

      10:55pm | 26/07/11

      @andye, Creed did reform and Japan had a big tsunami. There’s only a few things left. To be fair, Creed reformed last year! But maybe it was in anticipation. It was also awful to listen to.

    • Chris L says:

      11:03pm | 26/07/11

      I guess at least we’re going to stop hearing bleating about media bias from the right. Although now apparently we’re going to be hearing it from the left. Strange world.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:56am | 27/07/11

      For god’s sake you hysterical nitwits.

      Newsltd. have been caught with their proverbial pants down and are all squealing like pathetic stuck pigs.

      Give it up.

      You have almost total media control and it is not good enough.

      Let us not forget that Newsltd. owns Melbourne Storm yet were all completely unaware they were ripping off millions in over cap payments.

      Newsltd. have done some shockingly sleazy things in the last decade, screaming about kids overboard, crucifying Dr Haneef with made up yarns and lies, lies about David Hicks, defamation of Mamdouh Habib, Steve Lewis making up emails to try and get Rudd sacked.

      Come off it you precious little dingbats.

    • Bruce says:

      10:31am | 27/07/11

      Ted: Please read basic economics one. The most basic analyst understands exactly what damage a carbon tax will do to business, the share market, superannuation, grocery prices and ongoing weekly budgets and jobs of working people.

    • Bruce says:

      10:31am | 27/07/11

      Ted: Please read basic economics one. The most basic analyst understands exactly what damage a carbon tax will do to business, the share market, superannuation, grocery prices and ongoing weekly budgets and jobs of working people.

    • Peter#1 says:

      06:27am | 26/07/11

      Joe, by writing this article you have made a huge assumption.
      The assumption being that there is at least one member of this Labor/Greens/”Independents’ dysfunctional alliance with a modicum of common sense.
      Shame on you for such a preposterous assumption!
      Daily, this toxic, terminal alliance goes from disaster to catastrophe and has the audacity to blame everyone but themselves for their predicament.
      Unfortunately there is no one within its ranks with the balls to force an election and rescue the nation before any more harm is caused.

    • Tedd says:

      07:19am | 26/07/11

      An election in the near future will not rescue anything, let alone the nation.

      Expecting some kind of Nirvana is unrealistic, especially with Australia’s State and Federal system and their use as political play school..

    • Steve says:

      06:28am | 26/07/11

      Three letters, NBN. That is why the Murdoch press are currently targeting the Gillard Government. Not because it is “wasteful” or a “white elephant” (otherwise they would be even more ferocious on Direct Action, which frankly I have not seen) but because it will materially effect the business model of all media organisation, and the Murdoch media just happens to be the biggest in Australia, by quite a large margin. If you believe it is for any other reason (representing voter dissatisfaction etc.) you are delusional.

      I love a free and open media. I do not however like that fact that one organisation/family can control 70% of the newspapers, be CEO of a free to air TV station and own a quarter of the Pay TV operator. This is regardless or their political persuasion, I don’t believe it is healthy for democracy for so much media to be controlled by a single entity/family.

      That doesn’t need an inquiry, just a change of law.

    • Que says:

      07:26am | 26/07/11

      No one is stopping you from starting your own newspaper. If you don’t like the state of play then do something positive about it instead of sitting on the sidelines and criticizing a family that has been successful in this arena for decades.

      BTW how does the NBN actually threaten this model? Oh, I know! Once this government owns the pipelines and the netfilter they can just block any commentary which is not to their liking.

      You said something about a ‘love of free and open media,...’?

    • persephone says:

      09:02am | 26/07/11

      Macca

      what, compared to the other hundred articles against it?

    • Steve says:

      09:27am | 26/07/11

      Exactly Macca. News Ltd have spent the last decade investing and monopolising PayTV content. When the internet comes in, they are afraid (as I would be too if I were them) that tighter regulation over content will dillute their current enormous share of that content. So their current monopoly will be no more.

      This is why they are rabidly anti-NBN Que and this is how it will materially effect their business model. Not because the government owns the pipes, but because the fibre allows greater bandwidth and therefore the expansion IPTV and on demand tv - which is a big threat to Pay TV who currently have subscription packages for 900 channels, only 4 of which you want to watch.

      Oh and there’s no way I would start a newspaper. It’s a dying industry - online investigative journalism is the way of the future, not this popcorn tabloid garbage. The 70% ownership doesn’t concern me as much these days as it did 10 years ago, purely because I know many people are getting their information from more diverse sources - because they CAN.

    • RyaN says:

      09:56am | 26/07/11

      @Steve: “That doesn’t need an inquiry, just a change of law. “
      Lets just state it for what it is, this extreme left communist government wants total control over media and freedom of speech. They want nothing more than to shut down any criticism of their glorious leader and to act with impunity and without criticism.

    • jf says:

      10:15am | 26/07/11

      persephone says:09:02am | 26/07/11

      “what, compared to the other hundred articles against it?”

      Because it’s a bad idea Perse. And getting worse with every detail, painstakingly released.

    • jf says:

      10:20am | 26/07/11

      Steve says:09:27am | 26/07/11

      “Oh and there’s no way I would start a newspaper. It’s a dying industry - online investigative journalism is the way of the future, not this popcorn tabloid garbage.”

      Why so worried then Steve? Why advocate yet more laws to restrict personal freedoms and limit the legitimate rewards of commercial risk-taking?

      “The 70% ownership doesn’t concern me as much these days as it did 10 years ago”

      It seems that you are conceding that you were wrong to be concerned 10 years ago and that you are probably wrong to be concerned now.

      “purely because I know many people are getting their information from more diverse sources - because they CAN”

      Yep, sounds like it. I guess you’ve provided your own rebuttal to why you think an expensive enquiry is necessary let alone restrictive legislation.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:28pm | 26/07/11

      @RyaN “extreme left communist government” Coming from someone like you, who thought Karl Popper was a Marxist this comment is particularly amusing. I suppose you think Tony Abbott is a dangerous compromiser.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:31am | 26/07/11

      ‘In short the Government’s spin skills are, medically speaking, retarded.’

      Well said Joe, I couldn’t have said it better or maybe I have.

      If you read the comments from Mal’s column yesterday it would seem like JG’s office has had a word with somebody at The Punch to tone things down. It seems the PM can’t take the heat and just can’t find her way out of the kitchen. Don’t get me wrong, I could be wrong but the timing of it all is all too suspicious.

      The reality is that the Gillard government is retarded medically speaking and the majority have accepted this reality as the polls clearly show.

      Now if anything the comments in Mal’s article shows there is passion on boths sides of politics and things are heating up. I think this is great, why shouldn’t we be passionate about our politics. Sad to see some people need The Punch to cushion them from the scary comments and people (like me apparently). Because in the real world there is no one to edit and censor real life…....there is just the view of the majority!

      By the way The Punch is still my favourite read and you know why smile

    • TChong says:

      08:18am | 26/07/11

      Hi AtM
      You seriosly suggesting that Murdochs minions would be in a conspiracy with the ALP?
      HAHAHAHAHAHA !
      Deliberately adding comedy to the rancour   makes you even funnier.  wink

    • Michael says:

      08:32am | 26/07/11

      Retard is to hinder or impede, Julia Gillard is retarding Australia, the ALP and now would like to retard the print media, well her and Bob Brown.

      Soon Gillard will be synonymous with retardation, ATM will have his pet moniker back or people will just refer to things as “gillard” or “gillarded”.

      “nah mate she’s had the gillard”  or “she’s gillarded”

      Replace being sacked with, “given the gillard” meaning screwed over lol, i crack myself up…small minds and that sort of thing i s’pose

    • Against the Man says:

      08:46am | 26/07/11

      Yo TChong!
      Mr Zero Credibility!
      Love the uncomfortable laughter!
      Please keep it up, no one is buying your brand buddy!
      Oh and in case the others want to know why Mr Chong is also Mr Zero Credibility, simple ask him why he goes into hiding when he can’t answer a direct question.
      Didn’t someone point out yesterday you were a true Labor hack! smile
      Keep it up buddy, you only make it worse for your side.

    • George from Sydney says:

      10:45am | 27/07/11

      TChong, your myopic view of the issues don’t serve you well. Look at the big picture. It is about the money and not getting picked on by the government. The Punch wants to survive, ideology only gets you so far.

    • TimB says:

      06:35am | 26/07/11

      Hey it’s a SNES reset button!

      Remember, if such a button is going to work for Julia, she needs to take the cartridge out and blow the (Green) dust away from the connectors first.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:32am | 26/07/11

      *like* this post!  That’s exactly what I thought when I saw the pic! wink

    • Ben81 says:

      12:47pm | 26/07/11

      Ha, soon as I saw it I knew i’d find you in here excited over it Tim :D

    • Super D says:

      06:36am | 26/07/11

      The left are truly hysterical with regard to the media.  Last night Christine Milne, Minister for Truthiness, was linking “shock jocks” for the Norwegian massacre - all the the approval of the ABC Qanda collective.

    • Peter#1 says:

      07:20am | 26/07/11

      Super D,
      Did you actually put yourself through the ordeal of watching that biased ABC program?
      I am not a sado-masochist and gave up watching Q&A a long time ago, although I did watch it last week as it was a politician-free and Tony Jones-free episode.

    • Macca says:

      07:32am | 26/07/11

      Super D, Bob Brown and his minions will always stoop to the Hysterical for their abhorrent point scoring; Coal Companies caused the QLD floods, We need a review of Aus Media ownership because of some grubs in the UK, we need to review gun laws in Aus because of the actions of some demented man in Scandinavia. What a disgrace.

    • Bev says:

      08:35am | 26/07/11

      Christine Milne came across last night on Q&A as even worse than Bob she is the frightning face of the unmasked greens.  Not only on so called media bias but her total indiference and hatred to the welfare and well being of anyone who was not in a “green job”

    • persephone says:

      09:01am | 26/07/11

      Um, the guy responsible for the massacre does cite Costello and Howard as two of his heroes.

    • Timmy says:

      09:55am | 26/07/11

      @persephone

      You contribution doesn’t help. What were you implying? The mention of Howard and Costello could’ve easily being a ploy against them for being Australian Liberals. You don’t know so stop inciting more trouble.

    • Glen M says:

      10:02am | 26/07/11

      persephone says:09:01am | 26/07/11

      Um, the guy responsible for the massacre does cite Costello and Howard as two of his heroes.

      This would have to rate as one of the stupidest and disgusting comments I have ever seen.  You idiot.

    • Sherlock says:

      10:05am | 26/07/11

      persephone says: Um, the guy responsible for the massacre does cite Costello and Howard as two of his heroes.

      I can’t believe you actually wrote this

      Some people have no shame whatsoever. When you are finally unmasked as a labor staffer I’ll point back to this post

    • Barry says:

      10:15am | 26/07/11

      @persephone
      Yeah, so what?  He recognized that John Howard remains one of the most sensible leaders Australia has had.  It’s not a big deal, nor does it change the fact Christine Milne was being idiotic as usual on Q&A last night.

    • Michael says:

      10:34am | 26/07/11

      pers’ please, don’t have yourself remembered for the comments you have placed here, as much as i disagree with them, normally your comments are more than just purely divisive and deliberately offensive.

    • Richard says:

      10:35am | 26/07/11

      Umm, so Persephone? Lee Rhiannon cites Joseph Stalin as one of her heroes. Your point is?

    • jf says:

      10:39am | 26/07/11

      persephone says:09:01am | 26/07/11

      “Um, the guy responsible for the massacre does cite Costello and Howard as two of his heroes.”

      He also wears ‘Skins’ athletic gear. Must be something sordid and conspiracy for you there Perse.

      You used to be sensible and interesting Perse. What’s happened?

    • Dash says:

      10:48am | 26/07/11

      @Sherlock - Persephone is a paid up ALP member. Comments like this one clearly show how desperate the ALP now is. This is the kind of fool running our country.

    • Martin says:

      11:39am | 26/07/11

      Dash, exactly, Propaganda Phone is a Labor stooge, plainly obvious. Hence I don’t respond to the idiot, why give Labor hacks like this any oxygen at all. The same goes for The Badger they are both capable of breathless stupidty.

    • The Badger says:

      12:16pm | 26/07/11

      Ouch
      martin the truth must hurt you terribly bad.
      To think that you have hero’s like Howard and Costello in common with this right wing psychopath is very telling.

    • Knemon says:

      12:45pm | 26/07/11

      Richard says: 10:35am “Lee Rhiannon cites Joseph Stalin as one of her heroes”

      Richard, can you supply a link showing where Rhiannon cites Stalin as one of her heroes?

      You conservatives are such a touchy and precious bunch, Breivik clearly states in his manifesto his admiration for the likes of Howard and Costello, no-one is inciting trouble here, just stating facts. Good grief, I can only imagine the uproar from the double standard conservatives if Breivik had mentioned Gillard or Brown in the same manner, of course he wouldn’t as his allegiances are to the extreme right wing of politics. The truth is not only embarrassing but sometimes it hurts.

    • nihonin says:

      12:51pm | 26/07/11

      The Badger ‘To think that you have hero’s like Howard and Costello in common with this right wing psychopath is very telling’.  Agree with what you infer, I have no love for either Howard or Costello or the Liberal party, however yours and persephone’s blind faith in Labor, Julia and Swan plus the love of all Labor policy, you pair seem to share, is even more telling.

    • Economist says:

      12:53pm | 26/07/11

      I haven’t seen the Q&A, but are you denying Bolt didn’t make a dill of himself by jumping the gun and effectively declaring it as Islamic terrorist, then not retracting the statement but clarifying it and now saying he’s not a Christian at all? Whose hysterical?

    • James In Footscray says:

      12:54pm | 26/07/11

      Qanda jumped the shark last night.

    • Kim says:

      01:11pm | 26/07/11

      Pwned.

      persephone 1

      Right wing trolls 0

    • melle says:

      01:11pm | 26/07/11

      @Knemon.  Another of your heroes, Christine Milne, calls the UK media events “useful”.

      Well, of course they’d be useful to Milne -  who couldn’t resist a pre-emptive strike.  Poor Gillard - dealing with Christine Milne and Lee Brown-Rhiannon.  Worse than Bob Brown.

      Conservatives precious?
      Knemon the Know-all -  is there a more pious parader of virtue on a blog?  ........  No one comes close.
      Some truth for you

    • paulh says:

      01:26pm | 26/07/11

      I agree , Ms milne’s performance on Q + A was disgusting, who the hell does she think she is ?? The greens have ONE seat in the lower house and 9 in the upper, the only reason they have 9 upper seats is the ridiculous system used for preferences %.Howard and co got villified for far less than things Milne has said. If this bunch of fools cannot see that the majority of people are NOT happy with the current gov and its wasteful policies and its manipulative deceitful tactics then haven’t we a RIGHT to complain.Ignoring the complaints will NOT make them go away.By censoring the media things will only get worse.This grandiose jumped up madam needs to have a good look at herself.Bring on an early election asap,

    • James In Footscray says:

      02:04pm | 26/07/11

      @melle - serious question - where did Christine Milne say the UK events were ‘useful’? Do you have a source?

    • Knemon says:

      02:12pm | 26/07/11

      melle @  01:11pm says - “Knemon. Another of your heroes, Christine Milne”

      Good try melle…I’ve previously declared on The Punch that if Christine Milne takes over as leader of the Greens then they will lose my vote.

      “is there a more pious parader of virtue on a blog?  ........  No one comes close” - Thank-you melle. I will take that as a compliment.
      grin

      BTW - Do you normally use the handle melle? I can’t recall seeing it.

    • Mouse says:

      02:35pm | 26/07/11

      Persephone, that comment was pretty insipid, even for you, but we have come to expect nothing more than this from you lately!

    • melle says:

      02:37pm | 26/07/11

      @James in Footscray:  Christine Milne’s “useful” comment on The Oz Home Page, a few hours ago.  Gone now.

      Her confidence is alarming.

    • melle says:

      03:00pm | 26/07/11

      Yes, Knemon,  melle is melle.  Seano could vouch for me, only he’s sort of in disguise at present.
      A modern day Pharisee?  A compliment?  Okay, fair enough.

    • persephone says:

      03:00pm | 26/07/11

      Mouse

      make up your mind!! Either my standards are lower than usual or they’re exactly the same.

      I notice no one’s actually saying they’re wrong.

    • Mouse says:

      03:33pm | 26/07/11

      Ok perse, even though I don’t see how you could not have understood my comment, I will explain it for you. It means that your comment standard has lowered lately and is not of the calibre it was.  If you cannot see that people are saying that they think you are wrong, then that is not for me to tell you. If being called an idiot, offensive and a Labor stooge aren’t some indication to you that people don’t agree with you, then that is your problem.

    • Sherlock says:

      03:33pm | 26/07/11

      persephone says: Yes, guys, I know the truth is embarrassing.

      Seriously even for you this is bad. I’m surprised that you have you head stuck so far up your own backside that you’re apparently completely unaware what was so wrong with your original comment.

      If this is the state of the ALP today then god help us all

    • Mouse says:

      03:55pm | 26/07/11

      OK perse, even though I can’t see how you misunderstood my comment, I will explain it for you. The standard of your comments lately has lowered considerably, especially in comparison to the calibre of the months earlier in the year. If you cannot see that some people are not agreeing with you it is not my business to tell you otherwise. If being called an idiot, offensive and a Labor stooge does not indicate to you that some people do indeed think you are wrong, then that is your problem also.

    • NicoleG says:

      04:02pm | 26/07/11

      Pers, for shame. You have bitterly disappointed me with that comment.  downer

    • persephone says:

      04:15pm | 26/07/11

      Mouse

      given that those things were all said about me virtually from Day One, no, I haven’t noticed any change.

    • Cat says:

      04:16pm | 26/07/11

      Persephone states a fact
      and a mouse squeaks indignantly somewhere in the distance unaware of what facts are.
      The other mice gather round to see what all the fuss is about but the facts elude them and they remain perplexed scratching their furry little heads in bewilderment.
      . Funny little furry things.

    • Gregg says:

      07:03am | 26/07/11

      ” And that is the Gillard Government’s real problem with the media: The PM’s office has been so thoroughly bled of talent that it just doesn’t have anyone in there who really understands it. “

      Sounds like an opening going begging for a bright guy Joe!
      But hey Julia may have her problems but PM Brown has it all by the short and curlies ” just keep smiling he tells the assassins “

      Talking of secrecy and hidden agendas, we now have the scene set for the people trade to Malaysia and one wonders just how open an operation that will be.

    • Won Dring says:

      10:47am | 26/07/11

      @persephone
      Who is your Poseidon?

    • n_dude says:

      03:13pm | 26/07/11

      I don’t think the main problem is with the PM’s office, because even if they were no good at explaining themselves, if they were competent and delivering on good government then it wouldn’t matter. That is the crux of the problem.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:45pm | 26/07/11

      Wrong Grecian deity Won. Hades was the god of the underworld who abducted Persephone. Fortunately I don’t don’t think our Persephone is going everywhere.
      Anyone with an open mind will continue to benefit from her polite, lucid and thoroughly researched posts.

    • who's being unctuous says:

      08:37pm | 26/07/11

      Teacher Teacher,  can I wipe the board?

      Yes, Steve

    • persephone says:

      08:40pm | 26/07/11

      Thanks, Steve.

      And thanks for working out what Won Dring was on about!! It’s been bugging me…

    • Joan says:

      07:19am | 26/07/11

      The persecution syndrome alive and well, in Gillard, Greens Brown , Oakeshott , Windsor, the clowns running the country , they are so dumb they think the ruin of the country caused by journos, shock jocks , and protestors and not by their poor implemenation of bad policy. The shonky government of . Gillard, Greens, Oakeshott and Windsor have failed Australians, and the only conspirators are this mob who struck deals behind closed doors as backstabber conspirator Gillard handed dollars to favour some at a cost to the majority of Australians.It is all about Gillard and Brown consolidating their power - do anything, say anything, and shut media and people dissent…. Gillard and Brown Stalinist Pravda style agenda, on track to stop free speech.

    • Tom says:

      09:54am | 26/07/11

      This government terrifies me.

    • Damocles says:

      11:16am | 26/07/11

      @ Tom….what really terrifies me is that there are people out there that still believe this Gillard/ Brown/ Independents “government” is doing a good job!!

    • Chris L says:

      02:21pm | 27/07/11

      @Damocles - some things are going pretty well. Unemployment has been at record lows, interest rates are way down and our dollar is very strong. During the Howard years such conditions would be all it took for a ringing endorsement.

    • David S says:

      07:21am | 26/07/11

      The proposed media inquiry is:

      A) A complete waste of taxpayers money to distract voters from the Gov’ts terrible policies,
      B) An attempt to force News Ltd of business,
      C) A campaign to settle old scores against News Ltd. or
      D) All of the above.

      Of course, anyone who had been living under a rock and read this column would choose D since News Ltd journo’s appear to be working overtime to tell the public there’s no point in having an inquiry since all is fine and dandy, and anyway it’s just a witch hunt against ‘fair and balanced’ News Ltd.

      But, hang on, you say News Ltd ” openly supported the last Labor leader to legitimately win an election” but you don’t pick sides?  Ooops…  Nice backhander at Gillard, by the way to say she is not a “legitimately” elected Prime Minister.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:38am | 26/07/11

      Shoot the messenger seems to be the story here and thats what this Government is trying to do instead of actually governing for the people. The media in most cases just state the facts as presented and the facts are that this Governmenr is without doubt the worst we have ever had since we were announced as a nation. Jooliar is going to go down as the most hated PM and its not because of the way she has been painted by the media but because of her inability to listen to the people, her inability to tell the thruth and the knowledge that if she scraps the CO2 Tax she is doomed to be chucked out by the real PM Queen Bob. The media is not the ones who have run policies that have wasted billions, cost lives and homes and businesses they have only reported the facts. Of course this only pertains to the media that is not run by the ABC like QANDA which is so biased its a wonder its not listed on the Labor portfolio as an arm of the Labor Party.

    • John C says:

      07:47am | 26/07/11

      Someone should hold an enquiry into that journalist who asked Gillard at the National Press Club to advise the media on how to write stories. The words lickspittle and dill come readily to mind.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      08:02am | 26/07/11

      HAHAHAHAHA

      News Ltd is going down

      Happy Days! raspberry

    • TimB says:

      08:34am | 26/07/11

      Isn’t it a bit early in the morning for you to be drinking Drew?

    • GregE says:

      10:20am | 26/07/11

      Greeny down in Darlighurst smoked too may drugs I think.

    • iansand says:

      08:13am | 26/07/11

      We don’t need a privacy law.  We need public figure immunity so journalists can print the stuff they know that they dare not tell us.

      My problem with News Ltd is not bias - it is that the organisation has political power (all media have it) and is prepared to use it under theguise of “reporting”.

    • iansand says:

      11:42am | 26/07/11

      And if we do end up with a privacy law we DEFINITELY need a public figure carve out.  Those who we permit to rule us already use defamation law to suppress too much.

    • AdamC says:

      01:12pm | 26/07/11

      I agree, a ‘privacy law’ is an epically dumb idea. We already have over-stringent defamation laws in this counntry and judges who chuck around suppression orders like ticker tape at a parade.

    • Ungh says:

      08:21am | 26/07/11

      “C) The regular columnist is on holiday and I had to cobble together something at the last minute to fill this giant white space.”

      Good thing you managed to vilify all of you collective political opponents at the same time as decrying an investigation into the ownership of vast swathes of the media that could potentially adversely affect you and your organisation.

      I mean, if you hadn’t managed to throw in those unnecessary jabs, your readers might take you for some kind of latte drinking socialist, hell bent on advancing your hippy agenda until we all live in caves and eat bats, right?

    • adam says:

      08:56am | 26/07/11

      can’t eat bats, they are cute and furry. only allowed to eat veggies in the Green future

    • nihonin says:

      10:12am | 26/07/11

      Greens eating their greens, their Mums would be so proud of them.

    • The Sage says:

      10:48am | 26/07/11

      If they were really serious about saving the world, they would volunteer to become Soylent Greens.

    • nihonin says:

      02:13pm | 26/07/11

      Biodegradable Greens even.

    • Jimbo says:

      08:30am | 26/07/11

      You know, just once I’d like to see a non-News Ltd journo or columnist defend Rupert Murdoch. Never seems to happen. I wonder why.

      Funny how it’s only those who get paid by this organisation that write in its favour. I’m not suggesting they lack integrity—I know enough of them personally and they’re good reporters and writers (some of them are the best in their field).

      My point is this—if the way News Corp operates is balanced, objective and ethical, why won’t anybody outside News say it as well?

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      12:55pm | 26/07/11

      @Jimbo could it be because the rest of the press are competitors with vested interests in attacking News? So they’re not going to come out swinging in defence… and the government is not a fan for obvious reasons…

      Having said that, though, I’ve heard ABC journos who used to work in News defend it.

    • Brenda says:

      08:38am | 26/07/11

      When Gillard told the media not to write “crap” someone in that audience (and many since)  should have told her (and her cronies) not to talk utter crap.
      And watching Q & A last night I felt scared for this democracy. The ABC should be the first stop for any (unnecessarily costly and baseless) inquiry in this country.  That discussion was frightening. The domineering demeanour of the Green’s representative very insightful. So why does the weekly Q & A give so much air-time to a Green panel member, given their very small representation numbers? 
      Bias is not restricted to one media outlet.
      I can remember the days when Murdoch press opinion heavily favoured Labor.
      And if Gillard’ and her desperate Labor Greens party makes serious moves to shut down unfavourable public opinion, that will just be one more nail in their stinking coffin.

    • Jack says:

      09:57am | 26/07/11

      This speech was given at the height of the Cold War. JFK was talking about Communism. so you think Gillard is a Communist Andrew?

    • jf says:

      10:51am | 26/07/11

      Jack says:09:57am | 26/07/11

      “JFK was talking about Communism. so you think Gillard is a Communist Andrew?”

      Did you listen to it. It is about the suppression of free speech generally and the media specifically. He specifically refers to the communist regimes of the time because they were the ultimate result of the suppression of free speech generally and the media specifically.

      Don’t speak out about this Government’s paranoid abuse of their power by all means Jack. But don’t complain when there is no-one left to speak out and they come for you.

    • Anubis says:

      11:44am | 26/07/11

      @ Jack - No, not a communist but definitely a socialist. She has acknowledged that she remained an active member of the FAbian (Socialist) Society until 2002, when it became politically inconvenient. She had previously lied and said that she had been a member only through her time at university.

      The whole Carbon Tax debacle reeks of socialist idealism and is based purely on wealth redistribution - it will have zero effect on the climate.

    • DC says:

      12:53pm | 26/07/11

      It’s not about stopping free speech - it’s about the integrity of the media in the light of the UK phone hacking scandals.

      Do you think that it was acceptable for News Limited newspapers to be hacking people’s voicemail?

      And apparently, it wasn’t just one newspaper doing it - at least one other is currently being investigated for committing the same crime.

      And in the US, the FBI are investigating News Limited media organisations to see if the same thing had happened there (which they suspect did happen).

      So, if it happened in the UK, and if it happened in the US, there is a very good chance it has happened here in Australia as well.

      It’s also about stopping morons like Alan Jones from spouting their hate fueled comments, like putting Gillard and Brown into a sack and dumping them out of sea.

      Or do you think comments like that are appropriate?

      And if you do, what happens if one of Alan Jones’s nut job audience members takes his comments too far and tries to kill a politician.

      Is that acceptable to you?

    • Your name:rob says:

      01:38pm | 26/07/11

      Your comment: Yes Jack, open your eyes, julia was a communist back in Uni days Jack and the evidence is pretty clear she still is. The latest ploy trying to gag the press.

    • jf says:

      02:05pm | 26/07/11

      DC says:
      “It’s also about stopping morons like Alan Jones from spouting their hate fueled comments, like putting Gillard and Brown into a sack and dumping them out of sea.”

      Did he say that exactly DC? Or are you cherry picking out of context to make it sound worse than it is.

      Or do you think comments like that are appropriate?”

      And there you have it in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen. It is irrelevant whether you or I or anyone else think Jones is a moron or whether you, or I or anyone thinks his comments are appropriate. No-one has said it better than Voltaire: “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

      As soon as you seek to silence people with whom you disagree you are seeking to silence everyone.

    • persephone says:

      03:05pm | 26/07/11

      The Jones comment

      as reported by ‘Media Watch”

      http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3272172.htm?site=canberra

      ‘Clover Moore is the Lord Mayor of Sydney. And Alan Jones would like to…

      Alan Jones: Put her in the same chaff bag as Julia Gillard and throw them both out to sea.
      — 2GB, The Alan Jones Breakfast Show, 29th June, 2011

      Alan liked that factual opinion. A week later he put the Prime Minister in the bag again…


      Alan Jones: It is absolutely laughable. The woman’s off her tree and quite frankly they should shove her and Bob Brown in a chaff bag and take them as far out to sea as they can and tell them to swim home.

      — 2GB, The Alan Jones Breakfast Show, 6th July, 2011

    • Dash says:

      08:47am | 26/07/11

      Well said Joe. Despite all the propaganda, complaining, distractions and finger pointing, the ALP are in a position of their own making. And rather than listen to the people and change, they want to set up yet another committee to tell us all what the ALP want us to hear. I’m so sick of these incompetent morons. How stupid do they think the population is?

      I look forward to the balanced review of the ABC and Fairfax, both of which are lapdogs to the ALP and continue to blindly push the governments minority view.

      For the government to come out and name newspapers and threaten inquiries is an afront to the feedom of press in this country. And makes them look like a pack of sooks!

    • AdamC says:

      09:23am | 26/07/11

      Good call, Dash. Joe’s written a couple of quality pieces on this story, which is becoming yet another Gillard government misfire. The problem is, even if the Murdoch rags are viscerally and unafirly anti-Labor, they are allowed to be. That is, unless Brown/Gillard intend to abolish democracy. (I certainly wouldn’t put it past the Greens.)

      If there was any evidence suggesting similar practices exist in the Australian press (whatever the proprietor) to those recently uncovered in the UK, I would support an inquiry. But there isn’t, at least not yet. Therefore, the bleatings about media inquiries can be seen for what they are: a ham-fisted attempt by the leftist coalition to intimidate better coverage out of News Limited outlets.

      It actually makes me happy to be a Liberal voter (and erstwhile member.) After all, no matter how much they may want to, no one on our side would ever stoop to these sorts levels. This tawdry affair does also, as Joe notes, suggest Julia Gillard’s personal organisation has become dyfunctional. Which isn’t bad news at all!

    • Hamish says:

      10:01am | 26/07/11

      AdamC and Dash, I’m not sure what’s more embarrassing for the Greens/ALP coalition - that they’re nakedly attempting to intimidate the press or that they’re failing so abysmally at doing it.

    • stevem says:

      10:26am | 26/07/11

      Adam, you say

      “If there was any evidence suggesting similar practices exist in the Australian press ... I would support an inquiry. “

      I would suggest the telco’s should be the ones facing an inquiry. Are they doing enough to protect private data if ‘phone hacking is this easy?

    • Economist says:

      12:31pm | 26/07/11

      I’m confused, “no one on our side would ever stoop to these sorts levels” yet I can recall three inquiries of the Howard governments into the ABC, and Alston finding bias in one PM report. But now a proposed inquiry where the scope hasn’t been defined, but looks to be into privacy is an attack on the Murdoch press?

      How about we admit that we have inherent biases as readers and journalists have their own biases.  The fact is that most of us can predict what a journalist is going to say based on who they are and the headline. Bolt, Ackerman, Albrechtsen, Blair will criticise Labor, Kingston, Manne and Marr were always going after Howard. 

      Yet your calling for a further inquiry into the ABC and Fairfax? So your admitting that News Ltd has a bias in favour of the Liberals, but think it’s unfair for Labor to hold an unspecified inquiry like those of the Howard government.

      From my biased point of view the difference is the nature of the attacks are different to those of Howard. Firstly as demonstrated by Crikey the commentary on the Carbon tax is out of proportion with its effects and the same was not done with regards to the proposal for introducing the GST. http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/21/taking-up-the-whittaker-challenge-examining-the-daily-teles-gst-coverage/

      Howard was attacked in three areas primarily by the left, Immigration, War and Workplace Relations. Never was there a sustained attack on waste as with the BER. I can never recall the front page headlines for months on end of the over 1 billion wasted through the Howard Governments IT outsourcing, or the $450 million wasted in the regional development scheme. 

      As for Joe he’s forgotten (D), which is to find one issue and flog it to death because genuine investigative journalism is dead and buried.

    • Dash says:

      02:01pm | 26/07/11

      Economist, if you read what I wrote, I imply that any review should be balanced which means the ALP bias at Fairfax and the ABC will need to be looked at. I didn’t call for a “further” review at all just for the review to treat everyone equal.

      I would put to you that the carbon tax commentary reflects the views of the population. Being out of proportion will only be confirmed or denied by time. One thing is for certain, the ALP has used the environment as an excuse to redistribute wealth. To me, as an economic liberal, that’s shameful!

      If you go back to look at the editorials of both Fairfax and News print media before and on the day of the 07 election, you will see a push for a change of government. You will also recognise the Workchoices union propaganda getting a great run in the media.

      Howard, like Hawke and Keating had good and bad days in the media. You need to expect that in public life. To sit and sook when public opinion is against you and reflected in the media is a laughable joke. To start saying that the government should have the right to strip print licenses and to single out one company on the basis of what has happened overseas at one news paper, is something you’d expect in the USSR in the 50s. Sadly, that seems to be where Socialist Forum Comrade Gillard seems to want to take us.

      And I would also say to you that the continued attack on the Gillard government is because they continue to be crap! Do I really need to list all of their broken promises and failings again?

    • AdamC says:

      02:57pm | 26/07/11

      Again, a post of mine on this thread has gone missing. Well, this one will have to be shorter.

      Economist:

      1. The ABC is a public/government asset funded by taxes. It should not be politically biased as a result. Coalition figures who have criticised the ABC have done so on that basis, not on a media control basis. You are smart enough to know the difference.

      2. The GST got heaps of coverage at the time, some of it unjustifiably negative. The GST was also not associated (except among insincere Labor desperates) with an act of betrayal like the carbon tax is. There were also clear, and largely uncontested, economic benefits to implementing a GST. Meanwhile, a carbon tax will only accomplish anything if everyone else brings one in. (Incidentally, Australia was one of the last jurisdictions - as opposed to one of the first - to implement a GST and that didn’t stop the ALP opportunistically opposing it.) You, and Crikey, are not comparing like with like.

      3. Yes, we all have our ideological baggage. That doesn’t actually stop us from identifying instances where reporting has been slanted or is otherwise unfair or biased. Though you wouldn’t know it from some Punch commenters, most people with strongly-held political views don’t actually lose the use of their critical faculties as a result.

    • Economist says:

      03:28pm | 26/07/11

      @Dash don’t get me wrong, Gillard’s government deserve criticism, but if the inquiry is into privacy I don’t have a problem with it. If it’s into bias, I have a problem with it.

      News Ltd is a private company and they can say what they want, it’s up to the reader to pass judgement and call it bullshit and take them to task when they state stuff that’s clearly wrong. I’m in two minds because I do see some journalists and editors over stepping the mark, but at the same time I don’t have an utter hatred for all things Murdoch. If it wasn’t him it would be someone else, and he’s better than someone like Belusconi with his Bunga Bunga parties. 

      I called AdamC out on the basis that inquiries happened under Howard with the ABC, but I suppose as the publicly funded broadcaster their is a requirement to stick with their charter. Which personally they did.

      And no I think I know your list off by heart now so no need to state it again. grin I’ll give you my view on the Carbon Comp on the other blog.

    • persephone says:

      08:58am | 26/07/11

      Well, it would help the “Murdoch press is being picked on, leave us alone because we’re all wonderful” argument if journalists like yourself stopped spinning.

      Firstly - since you’re using editorials as proof of intentions - ‘The Australian’ has openly said it’s out to destroy the Greens. So there shouldn’t be any surprise that the Greens don’t exactly see NewsLtd as their friend.

      Secondly, the Murdoch press played its usual game with its editorial endorsements - attack and smear in all the news and opinion pages, but then put in an editorial (which no one reads) saying “vote Labor”.

      They’ve been doing this for yonks. It allows them to carry on with the attacking and smearing, because they then point to the editorial as ‘proof’ that they were lefto pinko greenies all along.

      Thirdly, you’re verballing the PM (again). This is why she attacks you - not because of any persecution complex, but because you continually write ‘crap’.

      The PM hasn’t blamed her woes on poor press coverage…she told the media not to write crap. So if you’re not writing crap, she wasn’t speaking to you. If your colleagues aren’t writing crap, she’s not speaking to them, either.

      As for not coming out in support of News Ltd locally, why should she? Does she have any evidence that you guys have any more ethics when it comes to reporting things truthfully than your colleagues overseas?

      Are we meant to just accept that NewsLtd employees behave one way in the UK and the USA but not in other countries?

      Why does anyone raising these questions make you all jumpy and defensive?

      You and your colleagues should be demanding a parliamentary enquiry into the media.

      After all, if it was anyone other than journalists under scrutiny, you’d be telling us that ‘if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.”

      You seem to think her response to being verballed and misreported should be to cave in.

    • TimB says:

      09:19am | 26/07/11

      lol Persephone is telling people to stop spinning.That’s hilarious.

    • Hamish says:

      09:33am | 26/07/11

      Hi Perse, I’m not a journo, but I do work for News (disclaimer). What you have said above is probably the most pathetic of your increasingly tiresome efforts to defend Gillard no matter how indefensible her actions are. Firstly, the only reason Gillard is going along with these brain-dead attacks on News Ltd is to keep The Greens happy. Unfortunately she lacks the guts to stand up to The Greens even when she knows full well they’re nakedly attempting to pressure News to stifle debate about their policy positions.

      Most News Ltd capital city tabloids lean more towards Labor than the Coalition, or at least are relatively balanced (far more than Fairfax newspapers) and these are the newspapers most people read. Fewer people read The Oz nationally than read the Herald Sun in Victoria for instance. So, Gillard is really attacking newspapers which could help her and have often in the past been big supporters of the ALP. It’s really just dumb.

      Also, there isn’t any evidence of malpractice in the US, except the 9/11 phone hacking allegations which are yet to be proven.

      If the PM doesn’t want to be seen as a whingeing loser vainly attempting to intimidate journalists she should cease her suicidal sycophantic relationship with The Greens.

    • Glen M says:

      10:07am | 26/07/11

      After your earlier comment on this post you have simply no credibility and everything you write should be branded as “crap”

    • John Smythe says:

      10:08am | 26/07/11

      Pers, do you seriously believe that?

      Sometimes, you need to accept you can’t help a lost cause. You just need to walk away.

    • Ripa says:

      10:09am | 26/07/11

      @pers
      “Journalistic crap” and “political crap” is dependent on your perspective. Jooles and the greens need to shutup and accept being questioned and criticised if they cant take the heat, resign!

      The only reason they are crying is because the vast majority of people dont believe in what theyre trying to ram down our throats.

    • Brian B says:

      10:24am | 26/07/11

      Hey Pers ! Gillard and cohorts spin and speak crap, so the media will print that crap.

    • Dash says:

      10:29am | 26/07/11

      Persephone, you are just like your ALP masters - a big bloody sook!

      The ALP are in a position of their own making. They are whinging about the newspress printing the majority view! Time for them to wake up and change. As soon as someone doesn’t push their crap like the ABC and Fairfax, they moan and bitch. In all my days, I have never seen politicians single out a newspaper or call for an inquiry on the back of their own incompetence!

      You would never hear Howard or Hawke complain about the press. And you weren’t moaning when News limited actively campaigned for a change of government back in 2007. And look where that’s got us!

      News Limited is reflecting the majority view. The ABC and Fairfax are not. So who’s worse Perse?

      The ALP need to start taking responsibility and listening to the people. This place is more like a socialist dictatorship by the day.

    • Won Dring says:

      10:56am | 26/07/11

      I think I know who your Poseidon is; Demeter is a bit harder but given green proclivities, could be one and the same.
      Anyone who heard the BBC interview with Dear balanced Bob on the Satureday before mudroch went to Parliament would understnd its not a plot simply hubris seeking revenge. The interviewer plainly shocked by the gloating tone and the non sequiturs forged to get an enquiry.  Power is a dangerous thing

    • AdamC says:

      11:24am | 26/07/11

      My earlier reply to this comment seems to have been lost in the ether. Certainly, the other responders have captured my sentiments.

      I am increasingly wondering whether Persephone et al actually believe this sort of abject twaddle they are desperately putting about at present. If they do, they are actually an illustration of one of the current government’s problems. Labor seemingly have no shortage of people making excuses for them but, clearly, lack anyone to coolly assess the situation from a non-Labor wingnut perspective.

      Surely, even the Persephones of this world must realise - at least on some level - that Gillard’s stricken fortunes are overwhelmingly of her own making?

    • Anubis says:

      11:47am | 26/07/11

      Its simple @persephone - If Gillard and co. were not constantly talking crap, promoting crap policy, and generally being a crap government then the press would stop reporting crap.

    • persephone says:

      11:48am | 26/07/11

      TimB

      your usual insightful, considered response, backed up by your usual depth of argument.

      Hamish

      gee, neither am I. So what?

      Firstly, where has Gillard attacked NewsLtd? Saying that journalists (a general term) shouldn’t write crap? Suggesting that people might think that perhaps it’s worth checking to see whether or not the way News Ltd is behaving here the way they are overseas?

      If News Ltd has nothing to fear, why are they sooking?

      And why are they holding their own enquiry into their own behaviour?

      Surely that’s an admission that they’re not 100% certain that every single one of their journos have adhered to the rules.

      And I would have thought it took considerable guts to stand up to News Ltd - but that, of course, is what upsets Joe.

      According to him, the sensible thing to do when the media attacks you is to apologise for their attack and tell them you think they’re wonderful.

      Please name these left leaning capital city tabloids. That should be easy for you. (And if you regard ‘The Herald Sun’ as left leaning, I’d suggest you have no idea what you’re talking about!)

      I would suggest that hacking the phones of the victims of 9/11 is a pretty big exception!

      And the rest:

      You’re the ones carrying on like sooks, not the PM. What’s wrong with asking the media to face the same kind of scrutiny they say they apply to others? If they’re playing by the rules, they’ve nothing to fear from any kind of investigation.

      As for ‘News Ltd actively campaigned for a change of government’ - no, they didn’t. They lead the attacks on Rudd, without ever subjecting Howard’s life to the same kind of scrutiny. As I said to start with, a few limp lettuce editorials saying “Oh, vote Labor then” are used as a smokescreen.

      Won Dring

      I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’d be surprised if you do.

    • Dash says:

      12:04pm | 26/07/11

      @Persephone, go and read the editorial in the Daily Telegraph (the very paper named by the ALP) on the day of the 2007 election. I bet that editor regrets writing it now. Seems he too fell for Rudd and the ALP’s bullshit about cheaper groceries, cheaper fuel, childcare centres, the coast guard, more affordable housing and fiscal conservatism!

      It’s quite simple, the ALP needs to stop being a crap government!

    • Hamish says:

      12:20pm | 26/07/11

      Perse, are you suggesting Gillard was saying a Fairfax journo was writing ‘crap’? Please. Gillard is whiingeing about negative coverage and it’s backfiring. Just like most of her stupid cry-baby (literally) stunts fail. You said there was evidence of issues in the US. There aren’t. There are allegations. That’s all. The Greens/ALP Coalition don’t care about the hacking though, Milne said as much on Q & A last night. They’re just using it as an excuse to intimidate the free press in this country. No one believes they actually care about the hacking. They just don’t like being held to account.

      Perse, News isn’t sooking. Where’s the evidence of News sooking? News has simply pointed out the risk everyone faces when politicians start to think they can dictate what the media covers and who is a ‘fit and proper person’ to own a newspaper. Even you know Perse, not that I expect you to admit it, that putting Brown and Milne in charge of who is fit and proper to own a media organisation is extremely dangerous.

      Gillard, Brown Milne et al are the ones doing the sooking. And do you know why? Because News are doing their job and holding a useless and unpopular government to account. News are doing an internal review because that is what responsible organisations do.

      The Herald Sun is not left-leaning but it’s also hardly a Coalition supporting newspaper either. It’s much less right wing than The Age is left-wing and it outsells The Age 3:1. It’s called understanding your readership and the Herald Sun understands the level of discontent with the current government.

    • Tlmmy says:

      12:22pm | 26/07/11

      Julia Gillard is the last person to be defended for ethics and the reason being she is a liar. Not only being a liar, nothing else matters to her but her own selfishness to remain clinging to power.

      Crap is what you write persephone.

    • Static says:

      12:30pm | 26/07/11

      The Australian sure sooked when Bob Brown got stuck into them,they declared war on the greens and the greens hit back. “snifff snif,it all started mummy when he hit me back” sums up Aus wingeing

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:40pm | 26/07/11

      Typical Persephone!
      Clouding the entire issue! The scandal destroying News International in the UK is solely concerned with illegal &  therfore criminal activities by people within News International. It has nothing to do with political bias by News International.
      The Geen-ALP Coalition in Australia is not, nor ever has for it would not dare, accused News Ltd products in Australia, accusing it of phone or computer hacking. The sole complaint they have to lay against News Ltd publications is that “News Ltd is biased”. Biased against the Green-ALP Coalition.  Yes it is. But that is their right. It is the duty of the entire Media in Australia to be ever-vigilant when reporting the activities of our politicians - from whichever side they come from - at the moment, and it could change anytime if the current Green-ALP Coalition started behaving like a responsible government, it is biased against the current Federal Government. That is the beauty of a Free & Open media. It is beholden to no-one.
      What would Persephone prefer?
      A Media totally controlled by the Government-of-the-Day?
      A Media which is only allowed to report what that Government wants it to?
      or
      A Media which has the time to peruse the small print of every bit of legislation or decision by the Government?
      A Media which is free, no matter how much some of us may hate it, to reveal possible corruption, dishonesty & criminality within the Government & it’s instrumentalities?
      A Voltairs said: “I may not like what you say BUT I will defend, to the death, your Right to say it”
      That is what the Media is all about & whether people like Rupert Murdoch or not (how any of his critics can possibly do so as the vast majority of his critics have never even met the man is beyond me) is quite immaterial. He built a media empire. No-one tried to stop him. He has been supremely successful & that is the crux of this entire attack on News Ltd isn’t it? The Tall Poppy Syndrome. A syndrome particularly amongst ALP & Green supporters with which they are obsessed. No-one, under them, is allowed to work hard & be a success & any who try must be brought down.

    • Ben C says:

      12:51pm | 26/07/11

      @ persephone

      At no point has Julia Gillard been misreported - everything that is published, whether by News or Fairfax, has come straight from the horse’s mouth.

      Gillard needs to take responsibility for what she has said, especially in her position.

    • TimB says:

      01:26pm | 26/07/11

      Why should I bother Perse? You’re making my argument for me.

      You’re complaining about News Ltd “spinning”, yet here you are spinning like a top as usual.

      But seeing as you insist, lets do a dissection of your post:

      “Firstly - since you’re using editorials as proof of intentions - ‘The Australian’ has openly said it’s out to destroy the Greens. So there shouldn’t be any surprise that the Greens don’t exactly see NewsLtd as their friend.”

      Who cares?The media isn’t there to be the government’s friend. It’s there to hold them to account. Deal with it.

      “Secondly, the Murdoch press played its usual game with its editorial endorsements - attack and smear in all the news and opinion pages, but then put in an editorial (which no one reads) saying “vote Labor”.”

      No-one reads it because you say so? Maybe no-one reads the opinion pages either. Where’s your evidence Perse?
      Seems to that if your overly simplistic intepretation shows , *anything* it’s that News Ltd does in fact print opinions that go both ways.
      In fact read any recent piece here from Mal Far and try to tell me that he’s attacking and smearing the Gillard government.

      “They’ve been doing this for yonks. It allows them to carry on with the attacking and smearing, because they then point to the editorial as ‘proof’ that they were lefto pinko greenies all along.”

      No, they point to it to show that they have opinions on both sides. It’s to show a lack of a specific bias, not to claim that they’re actually biased in favor of Labor as you are insinuating.

      “Thirdly, you’re verballing the PM (again). This is why she attacks you - not because of any persecution complex, but because you continually write ‘crap’.

      The PM hasn’t blamed her woes on poor press coverage…she told the media not to write crap. So if you’re not writing crap, she wasn’t speaking to you. If your colleagues aren’t writing crap, she’s not speaking to them, either.”

      Funny. I thought the “crap” was the “poor press coverage”. Sounded like she was blaming the press to me. Why bring up the issue at all otherwise?

      Besides which, holding the government to account is not ‘crap’. Again, suck it up.

      “As for not coming out in support of News Ltd locally, why should she? Does she have any evidence that you guys have any more ethics when it comes to reporting things truthfully than your colleagues overseas?

      Are we meant to just accept that NewsLtd employees behave one way in the UK and the USA but not in other countries?

      Why does anyone raising these questions make you all jumpy and defensive? “

      So, ‘guilt by association’, and ‘guilty until proven innocent’. What a fascinating insight into how you think Persephone.

      “You and your colleagues should be demanding a parliamentary enquiry into the media.”

      Great, except it’s not an enquiry into the media. It’s an enquiry aimed specifically at News Ltd. A witch hunt if you will.

      If you’ve got evidence that News Ltd Oz have engaged in the kind of illegal conduct that went on in Britain, by all means use it. Our existing laws are sufficient to punish such actions. You have no reason to call for an enquiry, except as an excuse to muzzle the section of the media that doesn’t swallow the Government’s bullshit whole.

      “After all, if it was anyone other than journalists under scrutiny, you’d be telling us that ‘if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.”

      Conjecture and assumption on your part.

      “You seem to think her response to being verballed and misreported should be to cave in. “

      And *you* seem to think that her response should be to muzzle a free press and free speech. If she’s been misreported, then she should demand a correction. Sue for defamation. Stop whining because the goevrnments flaws are being pointed out.

      In short, ALP, don’t be crap. Can’t be that hard…except apparently it is smile

    • persephone says:

      01:28pm | 26/07/11

      Dash

      read what I’ve said about editorials.

      Hamish

      I think she was suggesting that some journalists write crap. Are you saying that isn’t true?

      If News Ltd takes the comment as being just about them, doesn’t that suggest that they’re the ones who are paranoid?

      Or does it suggest that they know they write crap?

      The response of the honest journo to a comment like that isn’t “She’s attacking me!” but “Thank God, I don’t do that.”

      News isn’t sooking.

      Love it.

      So this article by Joe is taking it on the chin? Examining the actual comments the PM made and analysing whether or not they can be fairly applied to News Ltd? Saying that there’s nothing to fear from parliamentary scrutiny, so bring it on?

      And News Ltd journos everywhere are espousing similar thoughts?

      Must have blinked and missed them.

      Hamish, News Ltd are squealing like stuck pigs.

      Oh, and the Herald Sun hasn’t changed an iota in its approach in twenty years, so to say its take on the Federal government is a response to their performance is really stretching things.

      Notice you haven’t been able to identify any of those left leaning News Ltd tabloids I asked you about.

      Timmy

      brilliant, insightful and witty. You’ve got a great future on this blog.

      Robert

      yep, putting up a few inconvenient facts will do that. Upsets the groupthink here.

      Given that one of the major questions about the whole affair is whether or not the PM should have employed a former News Ltd editor, to say that the affair has nothing to do with politics is ignorant at best.

      Cameron didn’t call a special session of Parliament and subject himself to two hours of questioning because the issue had nothing to do with politics.

      So suggesting the media should be accountable and shouldn’t write crap is advocating state control of it?

      And you accuse me of clouding the issue!!

      BenC

      fine then - provide the quotes that show I’m wrong. Should be dead easy.

    • The Badger says:

      01:42pm | 26/07/11

      RUPERT Murdoch’s News Corporation has paid about $655 million ($A617 million) to make embarrassing charges of corporate espionage and anticompetitive behaviour go away.

      Shining beacon of integrity and ethics within the Murdoch owned empire.
      Malpractice? Probably not.
      Ethics? Definitely not.
      Let’s just settle this and keep the details out of court - shall we?

    • Hamish says:

      02:19pm | 26/07/11

      So Perse, basically you’re arguing that Gillard was making a general statement? So we’re having an inquiry because journalists have always, and continue to, occasionally publish crap? Is that what you’re seriously arguing? Can’t you do better? The Greens and the ALP are currently trying to leverage criminal activity in the UK to conduct an inquiry into ‘bias’ in Australia. You know they are. I know they are. It’s a pathetic attempt to initimidate the media and it’s failing. Badly. As I said before. It’s just another example of the fake/real/fake/real again Julia’s crocodile tears.

      The reason Joe wrote this article, I imagine, is largely to poke fun at The Greens for arguing they should decide what gets published and who publishes it and at Labor for being stupid enough to go along with it. The problem for Gillard, Brown, Milne et all is that it’s so easy to poke fun at them. Maybe instead of arguing News is bias you should argue that it’s just lazy. You’d probably get more takers.

      Oh and if you seriously think The Greens aren’t advocating control of the media by politicians then I think you should probably discuss the issue with the fairies at the bottom of your garden.

    • persephone says:

      03:14pm | 26/07/11

      Hamish

      no, and the PM’s comment about printing crap had nothing to do with the media inquiry.

      I don’t care whether they hold one or not.

      But I would think the media would welcome one, if they’re the fearless upholders of truth and justice they claim to be.

      The reason - as you know, so stop being cute - that there are calls for a media inquiry have nothing to do with whether or not Gillard or Brown feels miffed at the way News Ltd has treated them.

      It has to do with the fact that (a) News Ltd has almost unprecedented control over the media in Australia, owning 70% of capital city newspapers; and (b) newspapers owned and operated by this company have been proven to have been involved in unlawful activities overseas.

      Either of those is reason enough to have a squizz at our media. Put them together, and you have a very strong case to do so.

      I repeat: if News Ltd in Australia has nothing to fear, they have nothing to hide, and should embrace the chance to prove this.

    • Hamish says:

      03:28pm | 26/07/11

      Perse, I accept that if Gillard does cave to The Greens and have an inquiry those will be the arguments she uses to justify one - and they may even be somewhat legitimate - but I don’t believe that is why we’re talking about an inquiry. The NotW scandal has given The Greens ammunition and they’re not going to let an opportunity like this slip. Gillard should show real leadership and tell The Greens to get stuffed.

    • Anubis says:

      04:08pm | 26/07/11

      @ Hamish - Gillard show true leadership ????? Not bloody likely. The woman wouldn’t know what leadership is.

    • persephone says:

      04:18pm | 26/07/11

      Hamish

      News Ltd scandal - call for inquiry.

      Seems a fairly clear connection to me.

      But why the paranoia to begin with?

    • Hamish says:

      04:27pm | 26/07/11

      Perse that makes no sense. By that logic we’d inquiring about everything all the time. There’s no evidence of any wrongdoing by News in Australia. Not that anyone is talking about an inquiry into actual malpractice anyway.

    • persephone says:

      05:24pm | 26/07/11

      Why, Hamish?

      Are News Ltd worse than we think?

      Sorry, but aren’t you downplaying the extent of the scandal in the UK? It involves a major media organisation engaging in unlawful activities on a wide scale, including bribing police. It has seen resignations of senior staff, within the News Ltd organisation and within the police force. It has seen top executives of the company arrested, and others hauled before a Parliamentary enquiry.

      Are you trying to tell me this is just another working day within the News Ltd organisation?

      This is a major scandal, involving a man who controls the majority of our print media.

      Yet you seem to be implying that these things happen every day.

      Get some perspective!

    • Knemon says:

      09:02am | 26/07/11

      “If you are a member of the Greens, a self-proclaimed ethicist or a journalism lecturer you will of course know the answer is A. It’s perhaps best that you stop reading now…..

      OK Joe, if you say so. Thanks for saving me the pain.

    • Chris says:

      09:08am | 26/07/11

      It is not the role of the media to support issues but to inform people about issues. Until they start to do that then they will be used by politicians and activists to push ill-informed messages on to an unsuspecting public - who have to get information from somewhere.
      Gillard has nothing to complain about and neither has Brown. They have both had an extraordinarily easy run in the media - especially from the supposedly independent ABC. I say “be careful what you wish for”/

    • Anna C says:

      09:27am | 26/07/11

      This proposed enquiry into the media is a complete joke. The ALP and the Greens don’t like having their stupid policies scrutinized by the media and are using the News of the World scandal as an excuse.

      Julia Gillard and the ALP need to understand that the media (especially the Australian Newspaper and the Daily Terror) are only reflecting what the community thinks of the Carbon Tax, the Malaysian immigration swap, the NBN i.e. that they are complete CRAP. Proposing an enquiry into the media won’t change this it will only make Julia look as paranoid as Stalin was.

      I wonder will the enquiry look into her own media lackeys i.e. the Fairfax press and the ABC (the ultimate sheltered-workshop for the looney left)  who regularly champion ALP and Green’s policies? I doubt it.

    • JohnB says:

      10:32am | 26/07/11

      Spot on Anna C….

      Let’s see a broom through the ABC as soon as this rabble is punted.

      By the way, my life experiences tell me the readers of the SMH (only used as an example of what you say are the left) aren’t so different to the rest when it comes to the REAL way they think, and their REAL opinions. What’s different is what they SAY they think.

    • stevem says:

      10:34am | 26/07/11

      I would beg to differ on News Ltd.‘s coverage of the NBN. The technology columns and journalists are vehement supporters of the NBN. The more general columns are largely neutral about the NBN with the exception of the funding side of it. Columns denouncing the secrecy of business plans and shielding the budget by running it off book are common. Questions over the benefits are also fairly common, but these could be answered by the release of the same secret business plans.

      If the government would come clean about the cost/benefit the “bad press” would go away entirely.

    • Anna C says:

      09:31am | 26/07/11

      This proposed enquiry into the media just goes to show what I have always suspected; that the left are against freedom of speech and freedom of the press. This is because they have a ‘mother knows best’ mentality and they think that we the people should just shut up and do what they say. Kind of reminds me of Stalinist Russia.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:29am | 26/07/11

      What free press? Was the current regulated “free press” ordained by god or something. Regulations change all the time as does the world that they regulate. The current regulations at some point never existed either.

      But, after yesterday I doubt anyone is listening to anything you have to say anyway.

      Compared to your right wing extremism - some time in one of Stalin’s gulags would be considered a holiday.

    • Anna C says:

      11:50am | 26/07/11

      Blind Freddy says “But, after yesterday I doubt anyone is listening to anything you have to say anyway. “

      Au contraire Blind Freddy, you did just listen to what I had to say. Who’s the fool now?

    • Blind Freddy says:

      12:11pm | 26/07/11

      @Anna C

      I read it -  not listening. Subtle- but different.

      Glad not to be you.

    • Trevor says:

      03:33pm | 26/07/11

      At least the people in China know that their news is all bullshit.

    • John the Zombie says:

      09:35am | 26/07/11

      Let me point out something that I saw last night. A report that showed that Gillard does not believe, yes after all the speeches she did not actually believe in a carbon tax or ETS but had a plan that is similar to Abbotts. This is in the report that was prepared called the bipartisian report, She is now denying she ever said it, sounds familiar and saying it is untrue.

      Also I think the greatest worry ppl should be wondering after putting billions into buying 100 of the JSF (F35 fighter) we are now told by senator Smith that we are onl;y getting 14 of them. What a stuff up. The Airforce has retired its entire F111 fleet. We have ageing F18 Hornet and only about 40 f18 Super hornets to fly for Australias defence. The F18 Hornet is already surpassed by the two aircraft our neighbours have. The Indoneseans and Malaysians all he SU30 that surpass our F18’s. On top of that China is developing its J20, India and Russia its SU50 which will outstrip the Super Hornets. Also note that over 200 SU50 are been built to be sent sold to other countries.

      This govt is so incompetent at everythjing that it touches and now even out defence is in trouble. Dont forget Brown and Co want us to scrap our ANZUS treaty.

    • persephone says:

      11:57am | 26/07/11

      A report which was based on a leak from an unnamed source and which has been denied by anyone who had anything to do with the actual events.

      Anyone can make something up, and apparently if they do, 95% of people reading it will blindly accept it.

      Which is why the media gets accused of printing crap, of course.

      As for the JSFs, apparently the program had hit several roadblocks - created by the American manufacturers and developers, not by Australia.

      According to you, it seems we should just buy whatever crap America decides to give us, at whatever price they decide to charge.

    • Ben C says:

      01:01pm | 26/07/11

      @ persephone

      Unless Australia can rebuld their manufacturing industry, we will be importing everything at prices dictated by the seller. We, as a buyer, will never have any bargaining power, especially in the area of defence, given the selective nature of who we buy from.

      Now, if Labor and the unions didn’t wield so much power on the Australian industrial relations landscape, we might still have a manufacturing industry in Australia, which would facilitate better defence acquisitions.

    • persephone says:

      01:33pm | 26/07/11

      Ben

      I think you’ll find that most of that - including the contract under discussion - was the work of the Howard government.

    • John the Zombie says:

      01:37pm | 26/07/11

      persephone if you actually have any idea about defence you would realise that the problem came down to the second of the three vareints of the aircraft. This is the one created for the marines that has vertical lift. The other two varients that are on track and currently doing thier flight testing. So get a clue before you shoot your mouth off.

      Also note that the Americans have a good history of aircraft building. So persephone you want us to buy soviet crap. Just look at the track record of there aircraft. hmm im seeing the labor communist line here.

      Get a clue about defence. Look at what has happened when we purched European stuff.

      Duhhh im persephone i know more then you but I have never worked in the defence industry. Well mate I have.

    • Tator says:

      02:05pm | 26/07/11

      Actually it is an intial purchase of 14 in one financial year with the balance the next.  Knowing the way the RAAF and other military services work, they will cycle people through training on the first 14 ariframes over the first year ie avionic techs, munitions techs, airframe fitters, refuellers and not to mention the pilots.  This is to ensure a seamless transition from the FA18’s of various marks to the F35 and the F35’s probably will not become operational until the full order is received.

    • Aviator says:

      05:06pm | 26/07/11

      The Howard government controversially chose the F-35 in 2002, when the plane was still on the drawing board, with virtually no serious analysis of other warplanes.

      It was a gamble the government took on the basis that the promised features of the “fifth generation” F-35, including stealth, range, payload, land strike and air defence, provided a better overall capability than other existing “fourth generation” fighters already in service, such as the F-15e, Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen.
      Another attraction was the promise that the F-35 would be cheaper than the other options in the long term because the US was building about 2500 of the planes for its own military, providing an economy of scale in purchase costs and maintenance.

      The risk for Australia is that the F-35 is an ambitious hi-tech, futuristic project that is very vulnerable to setbacks.
      Eight years on, those risks have come to haunt the project and have raised concerns that the F-35—which Australia initially hoped to receive in 2012—may not be in operational service with the RAAF until the early 2020s.

      Britain, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have been dismayed by the performance of the F-35 as well as cost overruns and the U.S. refusal to release source codes.

      It appears the Howard government made a very bad uniformed purchase and committed Australia to purchasing a white elephant.

      Limiting Australia’s exposure to the ever increasing costs and difficulties with this unproven aircraft is actually the appropriate thing to do and Smith should be commended whilst Howard should be condemned - Thanks for bringing this up.
      It would help if you actually knew what even just a little bit about what you are posting Zombie

      They should have bought the F22.

    • Tator says:

      06:07pm | 26/07/11

      Aviator,
      one problem, the US wasn’t and at this stage still isn’t offering the F22 for sale to international buyers.  Pity as it is the better but more expensive option

    • Aviator says:

      07:15pm | 26/07/11

      Australia,Japan and other allies are still lobbying to allow the sale of the F22’s. Given the problems with the F35, they may win out in the end.
      In any event, it is best we buy as few of the F35’s as practically possible and keep lobbying for the F22.
      My post was to expose the ignorance of Zombie trying to pin the blame on the Labor government when the decision to purchase F35’s was a flawed Howard government decision.

    • Jared says:

      09:36am | 26/07/11

      Is that the reset button from a Super Nintendo?

    • MarK says:

      11:19am | 26/07/11

      nerds raspberry

    • Elphaba says:

      11:37am | 26/07/11

      1UP!  raspberry

    • fairsfair says:

      10:02am | 26/07/11

      I’m sure she has the CSIRO working on the Men In Black style Neutraliser to erase our memories…

      She hasn’t earned the right to be able to hit “reset”. Do something (one thing) worthwhile and maybe I’ll give you a second change. I’m human, I recognise that she and her party are too, everyone makes mistakes and bad choices, but what comes with them are opportunities to right the situation. I have more contempt for her for ignoring those opportunitites than for her bad decisions.

    • John Smythe says:

      10:31am | 26/07/11

      Zactly Fairs!

      for me it’s not about Labor or Liberal or Aliens. It’s about the sheer incompetence of the people currently in power. The sheer contempt they hold for the populace and their continued vain efforts in trying to force their policies upon us.

      These people are not deserving of the position they have duped us to get. Had they have duped us and then been competent, I don’t think there would be so much uproar about them.

    • Huey says:

      10:12am | 26/07/11

      Funny and focused,nice one Joe!

    • Frank Golding says:

      10:13am | 26/07/11

      I thought the article by Mr Hildebrand was pretty puerile.  Then I read the comments.  Oh dear!  I’ve rediscovered the lowest common denominator.

    • Dash says:

      10:39am | 26/07/11

      Maybe you’ve just discovered that the majority disagree with the Gillard Green Socialist pact? This is a democracy, it’s not good enough to have a sook when you find out the majority of the population disagree with you.

      News limited reflects the majority view, fairfax and the ABC (who are ALP lapdogs) do not. I think that reflects very poorly on Fairfax and the ABC.

      For this incompetent pack of morons in the ALP to be pointing the finger at News limited is a very good indication that News is doing their job.

    • Anna C says:

      11:52am | 26/07/11

      Frank Golding it must erk you so much that we the great unwashed actually have the right to vote.

    • DC says:

      12:01pm | 26/07/11

      Indeed.

      But don’t worry - it’s a News Limited own site, and as such, it attracts your typical News Limited crowd (ie right wing nut jobs who claim all sorts of things about Labor, but attack if you show them that the Liberals have done it as well).

      They are the same hypocrites that think that Tony Abbott doesn’t lie.

    • Markus says:

      02:54pm | 26/07/11

      “But don’t worry - it’s a News Limited own site, and as such, it attracts your typical News Limited crowd”
      70% of the Australian news consuming population?

    • Dash says:

      05:54pm | 26/07/11

      DC - not to worry, there are plenty of left wing nut jobs to even things out here.

      I love ALP supporters that use the term hypocrite:

      “There will be no carbon tax under a government i lead”
      “I fully support PM Rudd”
      “I have more chance of playing Full Forward for the Dogs”
      “I’m a fiscal conservative”
      “Today I announce an East Timor Solution”
      More Affordable housing
      Cheaper Better Childcare
      Root and Branch Tax reform
      260 childcare centres
      “We’ll deliver a coastguard”

      What was that DC you were saying about hypocrites?

    • Against the Man says:

      06:44pm | 26/07/11

      How many of you still hanging on to your Kevin’07 T-shirts? Yes, I thought so.

      smile

    • MarK says:

      10:19am | 26/07/11

      It is all the carbon tax’s fault. Or peak oil.

      Maybe peak carbon?

    • JohnB says:

      10:25am | 26/07/11

      There will be anarchy if you supress the media. Can this government get anything right?

      You’re dealing with an intelligent electorate that are not going to put up with your socialist rubbish.

      “Socialism works until the socialists run out of other peoples’ money” That time is now; we’re out, none left…..Time to change government.

    • Frank Golding says:

      10:34am | 26/07/11

      I rest my case, your Honour!

    • Anna C says:

      12:28pm | 26/07/11

      “I rest my case, your Honour!”

      Frank Golding, I don’t see how acting like a pompous prat helps your argument?

    • Your Honour says:

      12:35pm | 26/07/11

      Thanks Frank, case dismissed.

    • Ian1 says:

      10:33am | 26/07/11

      Retrospective legislation protecting a persons image?  No use of photographic or video footage without consent?  No crowd shots without obscuring faces?  Time limits on the storage of digital content relating to the person?  Quotes published having to be backed up with statutory declarations from the source?  Oh joy….  I might actually reveal my face in public.

      Otherwise just another Green-Gillard puff of hot air.

    • DC says:

      10:38am | 26/07/11

      No one is fooled by you Joe.

      Both you and The Punch are the play toys of Rupert Murdoch, so it’s no wonder that you feel you need to protect your boss (the evil Murdoch who knew more about the UK hacking scandals then he’s let on).

      As for the Punch, it’s owned and run by Murdoch’s News Limited.

      Enough said about the arse licking you’re both giving ol’ Rupert.

    • Tlmmy says:

      12:40pm | 26/07/11

      “The evil Murdoch” who through his family business has been able to keep 53,000 people in jobs.

      Joe, you have my admiration for the stance you have taken in defending the rights of your institution because the last thing we want in this country is the muzzling of the press by a mishmash of useless, self serving politicians.

    • Trevor says:

      03:53pm | 26/07/11

      Good one T1mmy, good old Adolf Hitler kept thousands of people in work too- as prison guards, tank drivers etc etc. Why does he get such a bad rap in history if your logic is to hold up? Nothing better than having a press that dresses up corporate interest as ‘the common good’ for all Australians.

    • robbo says:

      10:47am | 26/07/11

      The PM tells the media “don’t write crap. ” The media tells the PM “don’t talk crap”  but she continues to talk crap which attracts media criticism and now she wants a media inquiry. “If you can’t stand the heat….” comex to mind. Call an election.

      PS Great piece Joe

    • Don says:

      10:51am | 26/07/11

      Instead of lying awake at night plotting revenge fantasies, the PM and her ministers would do themselves and the public better service if they just accepity the reality of the situation they have created and called the badly needed election which would decide, once and for all, if they are doing what the people of Australia want or are messing the country up by going in a direction which is not wanted and is only supported by the exteme greens..

    • Ian1 says:

      11:45am | 26/07/11

      It’s bizarre, but I think that the PM and her Ministers truly believe that they are doing a good job, and further - that noone else could do better.
      How arrogant and selfish can an ego be?  Even when they are confronted by their own appaling and continuing record of failings and blunder.  Surely there comes a point when you say to yourself, I am grossly underqualified for the position.  Then again, school-yard popularity is how these people work.

      It’s a good thing the overwhelming majority of voters disagree with them.

    • jf says:

      10:57am | 26/07/11

      The GFC is to blame.

      The floods are to blame.

      The cyclones are to blame.

      It’s because I’m a women (surely the most pathetic).

      It’s the GFC again.

      The opposition are talking down the economy.

      It’s the newspapers.

      The ALP and The Greens: dodging accountability even when given the chance to govern.

      Frightening and pathetic.

    • persephone says:

      12:03pm | 26/07/11

      jf

      When the PM points out that the GFC, floods and cyclones have caused extra expenditure to the government, that’s just a fact.

      Are you saying they didn’t?

      I have never heard the PM use the ‘because I’m a woman’ (she’s only one, not plural) excuse. Please provide a link.

      Please also provide a link to where the Opposition says what a good economy we have. I can provide hundreds to the contrary.

    • jf says:

      12:34pm | 26/07/11

      persephone says:12:03pm | 26/07/11

      “When the PM points out that the GFC, floods and cyclones have caused extra expenditure to the government, that’s just a fact.”

      So you are saying that this government is only able to goven with a fair wind at its back? That they are unable to accommodate the natural, economic, social and other factors that all governments before it have had to deal? That they can’t is patently apparent and embarrassing enough. That they whinge about is worse.

      “I have never heard the PM use the ‘because I’m a woman’ (she’s only one, not plural) excuse. Please provide a link.”

      That was the theme last week. That she isn’t on record is very cunning but the fact is that it was the whinge last week.

      Please also provide a link to where the Opposition says what a good economy we have. I can provide hundreds to the contrary.”

      So what? They are the opposition not the Government. For the government to whinge about anyone else for the state of the economy and economic and consumer confidence is pathetic and embarrassing.

    • persephone says:

      01:43pm | 26/07/11

      jf

      there is no evidence that the government isn’t able to govern. The fact that it has done so successfully with a minority government demonstrates just what a good negotiator Gillard is.

      Getting over 150 pieces of legislation through Parliament without any amendments not supported by the government is quite an achievement.

      If Abbott was any sort of leader, you’d think that - just once - he’d be able to win over a couple of the cross benchers to support at least an amendment. But he can’t.

      The government has successfully coped with all of the factors you’ve outlined. But they’ve also had to axe programs and so on to do so. Pointing out that this was necessary because of various events is actually what they’re supposed to do - they’re meant to explain to us why they do things.

      OK, so you admit that the PM has never said that. So other people - not the PM - observing the situation, have suggested that there’s an element of sexism involved. Shock, horror. How are people voice an opinion! They must have been put up to it!

      No, not ‘so what’. You said that the Opposition haven’t been talking down the economy. If you say things like that, you should be able to support them.

      So there are two misleading statements in your first post. Gillard never sought sympathy on the basis of being a woman, and the Opposition are talking down the economy.

      Making statements you can’t support makes you frightening and pathetic, not the government.

    • Brian B says:

      05:11pm | 26/07/11

      Persephone - This is the most incompetent, lazy Government of my lifetime.

      I voted for both Hawke and Keating. I don’t recall them complaining about the media in the pathetic manner of Gillard, Swan, or for that matter Brown or Milne - neither did John Howard and he copped heaps.

      Presently Labor is down the tube, stacked with Union hacks and inexperienced advisors.

    • Old Cobber says:

      05:40pm | 26/07/11

      PERCY PHONE;  You have too much idle time on your hands—-Go get a real job!  If you get stuck come on down to the farm, we need someone to shovel the Bull****.

    • jf says:

      08:44am | 27/07/11

      persephone says:
      01:43pm | 26/07/11

      “there is no evidence that the government isn’t able to govern.”

      Oh where to start? 

      “The government has successfully coped with all of the factors you’ve outlined.”

      No they haven’t Perse. Far, far from it.

      “How are people voice an opinion! They must have been put up to it!”

      It was a remarkable coincidence that so many people voiced the same opinion at the same time. Whether it was her putting them up to it directly, her minions Henry II style or simply her apologists expressing the same pathetic view at the same time by coincidence, it was weak, pathetic and gutless.
      “You said that the Opposition haven’t been talking down the economy.”

      No I didn’t. However, what I will say is that the opposition is pointing out the very real threats to our economy due to the economic, administrative and policy mismanagement of this government. Our economy rather than benefiting from our exposure to the greatest industrialisation of a nation in history is under pressure because of this Government. They are beyond woeful.

      “So there are two misleading statements in your first post. Gillard never sought sympathy on the basis of being a woman, and the Opposition are talking down the economy.” “Making statements you can’t support makes you frightening and pathetic, not the government.”

      Statements supported Perse. Apart from your semantics, the Gillard allies were attempting to portray anyone that criticise her as being misogynists and I never said that the opposition were running down the economy.

      If all you can is lie about valid criticism of this government and rely on semantics you are really, really struggling. It appears that it is the government that is frightening and pathetic after all.

    • MarkS says:

      11:02am | 26/07/11

      “I mean who is advising these guys? Kamikazes?”

      The Watermelons, with friends like those, who needs enemies.

    • Won Dring says:

      11:03am | 26/07/11

      One one inaccuracy in the piece - the spin deficiency.  It’s there OK, listen too Mr Hawker with Deb Cameron on 702. Weird spin questions with set spin answers.  Swan is the master of spin; the carbon ads are patently spin.  The question is the spin’s efficacy. Unfortunately it is a propaganda truism that saturation works & memeoryies short when fatigue sets in.  Wran said ‘mud sticks’ and we already ahve ‘whatever it takes’ runing the purse strings

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:22am | 26/07/11

      He would say that wouldn’t he.

    • The righteous one says:

      11:25am | 26/07/11

      What makes me very nervous is when the boss over at the australian echos early statements which were uttered at the news of the world. Along the lines of; “we are having an internal enquiry” and ” phone hacking would never happen here” oh and there is ” our journos have ethics”  and dont forget; “we wouldnt invade someones privacy unless it’s in the public interest” I heard this one while having a flashback to the story of the journo going through Nicole Kidmans garbage, he was either very hungry or it was in the public interest to report on what was in the bin. 

      The public interest, a broad term used by the media. It covers what celebrity is snogging who to the latest wonder bra.  I dont think a group of people would oppose anything if they are not doing anything unethical or wrong.  After all, they would have nothing to hide.  And if they did, would it not be in the public interest to expose it?

    • Phillip Thomas says:

      11:27am | 26/07/11

      Sorry but boohoo! If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen, journalists need to grow up and get a thicker skin.

      News is the biggest shaper of opinion in this country - full stop. It’s right that news come under scrutiny because of that influence, just as pollies should too.

      You have every right to take the Govt to task, but don’t cry foul when they return fire.

    • jf says:

      01:08pm | 26/07/11

      I don’t think he’s crying. Quite the opposite in fact: he’s taking the government to task for seeking to investige a non-problem (yet again) in an attempt to come up with a solution that restricts the potential for them to be scrutinised.

      “You have every right to take the Govt to task, but don’t cry foul when they return fire.”

      It is the media’s role to, amongst other things, scrutinise the government. It is the government’s role to govern. If only the government would stick to governing instead of commentating on their opinion of the media’s performance.

      It is pathetic and embarrassing.

    • Phillip Thomas says:

      10:08am | 27/07/11

      @jf

      He’s not holding govt to account, he’s whinging that a govt would scrutinize the media. No one is above scrutiny! No one at all! I say welcome the scrutiny and use it as a way to prove you’re above board. Crying and moaning about it is not only useless but that kind of defensive behavior usually means you have something to hide.

      If the media has not acted unethically or published lies then it has nothing to fear.

      Democracy is built on scrutiny, it survives because we use accountability to prevent corruption and unethical behavior. The Press should not be immune to this just because they help to provide scrutiny themselves.

    • jf says:

      10:50am | 27/07/11

      Phillip Thomas says:10:08am | 27/07/11

      “No one is above scrutiny!”


      Crap. We are all above scrutiny except where we owe a duty or a responsibility to someone else. That is the basis of our legal and democratic system.

      As long as they operate within the law, the only people to whom News Ltd owe a duty are their shareholders. If they, or any other news organisation has done anything against the law then they should absolutely be held to account. However, there is not even a hint of a suggestion that News Ltd in Australia has done anything wrong.

      Futhermore, Bob Brown’s motivation has nothing to do with what is in the interests of the public but what is in the interests of the political left.  As a political party The Greens owe a duty to the electorate and are therefore not above scrutiny. They have dodged scrutiny and accountability since their inception and now don’t like it.

      Go News Ltd I say. Go Fairfax. Go The Punch. Go the free media; fact and opinion; left, middle and right. Publish and be damned.

    • Chris L says:

      03:20pm | 27/07/11

      “However, there is not even a hint of a suggestion that News Ltd in Australia has done anything wrong.” - except that the owner is involved in an enquiry into illegal activity. Apart from that, not even a whiff of anything untoward.

      Funny thing is that up until now the conservatives have been complaining about media bias and demanding inquiries. Suddenly the tune has changed.

    • engineer says:

      11:35am | 26/07/11

      Even if it were true the thing people are most angry about is the plain faced lie she told just before the election, and that ain’t got nothin’ to do with the media. She said one thing, we all heard her, then she did another. No spin, no prejudice, clear as day.

      The greens are just sooking because after all these years on a media free ride they are finally facing some scrutiny, the attention that comes with power. The tantrums promise to be entertaining. Consider the bad time Pauline Hanson and co got when they looked like getting some votes, what the greens are facing is nothing by comparison, and I never saw BB sticking up for her right to be heard and represent people, or even be treated like a human being.

      Shouldn’t be surprised, the luny left are all for free speach as long as it’s something they want to hear, witness the recent getup attempts to silence Monkton. Regardless of what you think of Monkton or Hanson they have as much right to be heard as Brown.

    • The righteous one says:

      01:14pm | 26/07/11

      I dont think Tony Abbott told the whole truth and nothing but the truth either. Even when he said dont believe anything I say unless it is written down.  Tony is just as guilty as Julia of being economic with the truth and if you say that tony has done an about face because circumstances have changed, well Julia is claiming the same stance isnt she. 
      What saddens me is the level of personal abuse being bandied around.  If you dont agree with a policy fair enough voice that, but the personal abuse is dreadful it sounds so bullying.  What sort of example are we setting to kids when they see this going on.  No wonder school yard bullying is rife, they think it acceptable behaviour.

    • engineer says:

      04:05pm | 26/07/11

      The difference is this is a clear unambigious lie about a massive policy decision. I hate the GST as much as anyone and am no fan of Howard but to his credit when he changed his position he called an election prior to implementation.

      The personal attacks ALL come from labour. Review the reporting over the last year and count the names TA has been called. It is relentless and disgraceful. You can argue a personal attack on a woman would be political suicide but if you go back further labour have always played the man even when they had a valid argument to make.

      Your right though, I can’t accuse them of behaving like 5 year olds because I don’t know any 5 year olds that behave that badly.

      Remeber politicians are a symptom, the disease is the disengagement and short sightedness of the electorate.

    • The righteous one says:

      11:28am | 27/07/11

      actually it was during the election that he gave his “never ever ever” line and then after the election introduced and implemented it So yes, they all do about faces on all sorts of things

    • jf says:

      12:09pm | 27/07/11

      The righteous one says:11:28am | 27/07/11

      “actually it was during the election that he gave his “never ever ever” line and then after the election introduced and implemented it”

      That is a lie. He changed his mind and fought an election not only on his change of mind but on the basis that he was going to introduce a GST if elected. He was elected because a broad-based GST is a fair and efficient tax that had bi-partisan support (until the ALP, to their great shame, opposed it for base political advantage).

      Still, if the best you can do to critcise Howard is lie then you don’t have much.

    • PTom says:

      05:18pm | 27/07/11

      jf,
      No you are wrong.

      Howard promised no NEW taxes and no spending cuts in 1996. Then changed his mind and ran for a GST in 1998 re-election campagin.

      1996 is where the Never ever ever and Non-Core promises comes from.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:41am | 26/07/11

      We all know that the federal ALP Government is instigating thiis Inquiry because the Greens have told them to. The Greens are getting increasingly bad publicity in the media simply becuase the media with the help of the public are revealing the small print in the Green’s economy & employment destroying polices. They don’t like it. When they were where they belong, a tiny pimple of annoyance on the arses of the major political parties, they could & did get away with promoting any whacky, unintelligent, ridiculous policies they wanted. Now that they have achieved, for the present, a bit of power, power which they are openly prepared to use to force the ALP & others to do as they wish, they have not been prepared for the intense scrutiny they are increasingly & deservedly being subjected to. They hate it. They used to chase publicity & unashamedly used the medium they now brand “The hate media” or some such equally stupid claim to expand their inaninties.
      They don’t want & hate any scrutiny whatsoever.
      The ALP hate it too. So what do they do? They, so typical of socialism in all it’s forms, want to silence the media & the people. They only want us to be told what they want us to be told. Despotic governments around the world maintain their power by controlling the media. It is done in China, still being done in Russia, in Iran, Libya,Cuba & assorted South Ammerican countries currently ruled by socialists.
      Biased? Of course the media is biased. It’s spreads it bias across the entire political spectrum. At the moment the ALP & it’s master, the Greens, are being subjected to that bias. Once in power again it will be the Coalition Parties which will be subjected to it. It is the media which tells us what is going on - warts & all - governments don’t like that.
      IF the Greens & ALP get their way & bring in draconian regulation of the media The Punch, in which we do actually get views both for & against Federal & State Governments - be they ALP or Liberal/National- will be closed down for any criticism whatsoever will be made a criminal offence.

    • DC says:

      11:44am | 26/07/11

      Joe, why don’t you do what you’re paid to do and stop offering opinion pieces that are designed to do one thing and one thing only - protect the arse of your boss, Rupert Murdoch.

      Why don’t you actually cover the news - for example, why Tony Abbott keeps saying that “China will increase it’s emissions by 500%” or “India will increase it’s emissions by 350%”.

      He’s been throwing these figures around claiming that they are to happen over the next 10 years - but it’s not true.

      Those figures are based on emissions from 1990 to 2020, not 2011 to 2020.

      The report that Tony Abbott has used is easy enough to find - if you wanted to find it (hint: Copenhagen report).

      Or perhaps you could publish how Tony Abbott published a speech titled:  “A REALIST’S APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE”, in which he states: 

      “Then there’s the question of the best mechanism for reducing emissions on which an international agreement might be reached. There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government.”

      Or perhaps:

      “If Australia is greatly to reduce its carbon emissions, the price of carbon intensive products should rise. The Coalition has always been instinctively cautious about new or increased taxes. That’s one of the reasons why the former government opted for an emissions trading scheme over a straight-forward carbon tax. Still, a new tax would be the intelligent skeptic’s way to deal with minimising emissions because it would be much easier than a property right to reduce or to abolish should the justification for it change.”

      It’s easy enough to find - Tony Abbott has it on his own website (yes, that does mean you have to get off your arse and search for it).

      It also completely contradicts his “I’ve never favoured a carbon tax or an ETS”, which as we all know, was a complete and utter lie.

      Why has News Limited not reported his lies, Joe?  Or is it about protecting Tony Abbott?

      But if that’s not enough, how about this News Limited article:

      http://www.couriermail.com.au/senior-liberals-at-odds-on-climate-change-strategy/story-e6frg2qu-1225754229220

      “TONY Abbott has urged Liberal MPs to pass Kevin Rudd’s emissions trading scheme in the Senate to avoid a double-dissolution election that they cannot win.”

      News Limited would do well to report the news - not report selectively based on it’s own agenda.

      After all, isn’t the media there to report the news?

    • Coop says:

      05:53pm | 26/07/11

      2 things sport.

      1. Julia Gillard is the Prime Minister and
      2. This is an opinion site

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      11:53am | 26/07/11

      The thing that amazes me is that they have focused on the “naughty” media & not the corrupt servants of the people, the MPs & the cops. I can’t but think that this is just payback for the Rorts expose’ on MPs allowances

    • Andrew says:

      12:02pm | 26/07/11

      I think Julia is entitled to ask the HARD questions of the media, thats all sides not just the Murdoch press. We should all be concerned about whats happened overseas, and if its happened there then there is every possibility that it has occurred here.

      As for writing crap, as long as we get presented all the facts and proper unbiased(to an extent) journalism then we can make up our own minds.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      12:04pm | 26/07/11

      When any government tries to hamper the media, particularly in an ALLEGED democracy, BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID. Mussolini and all other megalomaniac leaders gained control like that!! That said, it is naive and almost laughable for Ms Gillard and co to be contemplating an inquiry the reasons for which are after all totally NON evidence-based .  But after all the cat is really out of the bag anyway with the media, at least if you include the w.w.w.. So is she going to stop blogs like this? Fundamentally, the whole notion notion of controlling the media as such is based on a patronising notion that the voter is a brainless, opinionless, hapless fool. Which is not the case. It IS the 21st century. Instead of worrying what the media and their polls produce, Ms Gillard and co - and all democratic governments - should be using the internet access to access constituents directly. Let her do her own polls! That is, unless she’s afraid of what the results would tell her!  Of course I did not watch the ABC Q&A. Why would you? You always know how that ‘open’ forum will go!  But back to the internet, voters should not have to await a poll once in every 3 years to have some very remote control over what happens in their lives and their country. I don’t know if Norway has the facility for a referendum and I have no idea how many Norwegians are concerned about immigration policies like so many here are. But maybe there’s a lesson for governments to directly engage voters on a regular basis, directly, while they’re monitoring the web for dangerous extremists on the left or the right.

    • MarkS says:

      01:26pm | 26/07/11

      I AM AFRAID, VERY AFRAID

      From the Australian today

      IT section
      plans for an Australian data retention regime - where internet providores would be forced to keep records on all subscribers ...are being revisited by the federal government”

      A Plus
      “right wing views. They should not be allowed to join gun clubs, own guns” by a Professor of Law

      Commentary
      “Stephen Conroy complains that ...The Daily Telegraph, is inciting regime change”

      “Gillard’s retribution over her perceived enemies in the press has latched onto an extremist rights agenda that would reregulate free speech”

      Front page
      “The idea that both major political parties have far-reaching information on tap about every one of us who votes” “powerful voter tracking software that parties use to compile information” “Compiling, storing & using this information would be illegal if politicians had not exempted themselves from privacy laws” “Freedom of information rules do not apply either”

      Add this too
      -CCTV camera’s everywhere in cities
      - The black list of web sites
      - Anti vilification laws (thought crime)
      - Howards attempt with Work Choices to outlaw unions by stealth
      - Discussions of overriding religious beliefs for measures that will not work anyway
      - Police ability to tap SMS messages & phones almost at will
      - Police ability to track you by mobile phone
      - Hanson’s jailing after a politically charged witch hunt
      - The Tax file number has replaced the Australia Card which the Australian people rejected
      - Photo ID is now required by everybody, you simply cannot function without it. There are so many laws requiring anybody who deals with you to ensure you prove who you are.
      - Centralised anti organised crime & corruption bodies that are a law until themselves & those they take an interest in have almost no common law protections. Consider what Askin or Jo could have done with such bodies under their control.

      I could go on & on. The simple fact is that the political class is made up of people who believe that they should be in charge & we are fools. Information tech has given them the tools to control us & they are moving bit by bit to enslave us. Each time to “protect us” or “protect children”. After all they say only the guilty have anything to hide.

      I will most likely appear on some ASIO watch list for simply saying this.

      “If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both” Benjamin Franklin

      Our chains are being forged. Their clanking may be heard in Canberra.  Apologies to Patrick Henry

      1984 is coming, Big Brother loves you.

    • scorpio says:

      12:19pm | 26/07/11

      Prior to Whitlam being elected the ‘media’ were wholeheartedly supporting the Labor party and the “It’s Time’ movement.  Labor was swept into power. Later when the Labor party started to implode they lost the support of the ‘media’ who were not leading but reflecting the disillusionment that Australians were experiencing. Julia was well supported by the press and the people at first, but we are now very cynical about her and her Government. The truth will always out. Unfortunately Julia and her supporters can’t handle the truth

    • Zaf says:

      12:29pm | 26/07/11

      The Fourth Estate must be like Caesar’s wife - above reproach.

      I think you’d admit that the Murdoch papers (and the commercial television channels) are some way from this state.  Overseas, consider Fox News.

    • Thirsty says:

      12:31pm | 26/07/11

      Isnt it interesting that John Hartigan has offered to have an enquiry into News for the last 3 years?
      News is the entity responsible for the Melbourne Storm fiasco, but is more than 3 years ago
      News is the entity responsible for the Super League War because they didnt get their way in Pay TV negotiations, but is way more than 3 years ago
      News is the entity that called for Garrett and Rudds head because of roof insulations deaths because they were the “top of the tree”...but dont hold them selves to such scrutany, ie, Storm fiasco, UK hacking fiasco
      I am all for a free and fearless media, but if they cannot control themselves, then they need to be regulated
      By just putting in a “truth in publishing” regulation, such as Canada, then we wouldnt have any drama, but no media outlet in Australia wants to be regulated by such a simple thing as they have to report truthfully
      On another matter, the vile shit that comes out of some radio personalities is given credance by members of parliament appearing on their show. If politicians of all persuations were serious about media standards, they would both refuse to appear on these shows, as well as withdrawing advertising from them until such times as the hatred is stopped. Yes, free speech allows them to spew such nonesense, but politicians also have the free ability to dictate where they appear, as well as where our tax dollars are spent on government advertising

    • james pavlova says:

      12:33pm | 26/07/11

      Abbott cops his fair share of a whack from the media. But you don’t see him ringing the editor or telling the media to write nice things about him. This Government is against anyone who dares challenge their policies & not as if we should have confidence in what they are doing either. This 1 for 5 deal with Malaysia is totally brain dead.

      Carbon tax will we introduce or not, will we call it a tax or not oh yes we will. The NBN,  The Independents, The Greens of course they all have to be held accountable. How can they honeslty believe they can escape criticism or attention is beyond a joke.

      Need we go on Pink bats, knifing of Rudd, dropping the ets & then bringing it back, anyone else see any reason why this particular Government shouldn’t have all it’s policies questioned . Or calling Mr Abbott, Mr Rabbit, yet Gillard yells at the media that we are tough on her because she is a woman, but she can insult & bag Abbott all she wants.
      It’s simple Greens & Labor you brought this upon your selves now you have to have the media spotlight shed on your hair brained schemes. Besides none of us care, we have all switched off & refuse to listen to some one who doesn’t know whether she is fake or real.

      The voters like me are just counting down the days because what the voters have in store for you lot is ARMAGEDDEN,  you’ll be begging to be put out of misery.

    • DC says:

      01:13pm | 26/07/11

      Really?  Because I don’t see the same criticisms of Tony Abbott in the News Limited owned media that I do with other media outlets.

      However, I do seem Gillard criticised (and rightly so) in other media outlets, but more so in News Limited owned media.

      The media needs to learn that it is there to report the news - that means facts, not opinions.

      It is also not there to promote it’s own political viewpoint - as Murdoch has been doing.

      He did it with Kevin Rudd (leading up to the 2007 election and afterwards) and he is doing it with Tony Abbott.

      As soon as the media start promoting someone over someone else, their bias starts getting represented in their media owned outlets.

      This isn’t about Labor or Liberal, Gillard or Tony Abbott - it’s about getting the media to report the facts.

      If you don’t think that unbiased reporting is important in a democracy, then perhaps you should move to some totalitarian country that controls the media and gives it the news to report.

    • jo says:

      12:44pm | 26/07/11

      ABC24 is just a mouthpiece for labor, they never question labor policies, and also most of the journalist, are just mouthpieces for the ABC24 with really no insight in to what is really going on.
      their news is not news, most of their news is promoting labors half baked policies. They stick to safe news, even at the risk of boring us all to death.  Watching the drum, a while back, the abc24 journalist all ganged up on John pilgar, and belittled him, thinking they were so smart.  when in reality he is a good journalist, while they were just fools.
      Attacking the media just shows how julia and bob brown, are more dangerous to us australians than the media is. the studidity of these people running the country is very sad indeed

    • DC says:

      01:05pm | 26/07/11

      You should have no problem providing some specific examples if that’s the case.

      I’ve seen ABC24 promoting Tony Abbott as well - can I now claim that they are biased towards Tony Abbott?

      If you have specific examples, please, provide them.

      You will provide them, won’t you?

    • rapscallion says:

      12:45pm | 26/07/11

      In the early 20th C there were around 110 print media proprietors. Mr Murdoch managed to accumulate his empire by providing the public with the news they want to hear. The public and their representatives seemed unconcerned about supporting the concept of diversity either in the press or in the field of political representation. By extension, this antipathy to the concept of diversity is reflected in attitudes toward culture, innovation and lifestyle…and in particular style perse.
      Joe, praise the lord you have style!
      Now this brings me to the most important point of all. Joe has humour and style and then tells us about the anti-climaxes of girlfriends past.
      I am becoming increasingly suspicious that my fantasies about Joe
      (dum dum de dum) may not be an appropriate distraction in my colourful imagination. Never mind about that - over it already, I certainly appreciate any form of insightful and irreverant humour.  Always, your appreciative reader.

    • Watcher says:

      01:14pm | 26/07/11

      Joe am just an ordinary Australian, I was very dubious about voting for Labor, but after all the what consider to be..Bias reporting both in the newspapers and on Foxtel, not to mention, the what I would call.. very dangerous talk back radio, I am going to vote Labor. Bias is fine you might influence the weak of mind , but its a double edged sword in this country, Australians have always gone for the underdog and Julia Gillard is well truly being whipped. It is far smarter..in my humble opinion to just present the facts and let us decide. We just saw what happened in Norway, if someone with mental health problems, takes what the press is saying seriously and kills someone, in my opinion those whipping people into a frenzy should be charged as well.

    • The righteous one says:

      01:37pm | 26/07/11

      well put.  “Me thinks they doth protest to much” (due credit to shakespeare)

    • stevem says:

      01:44pm | 26/07/11

      Let me get this straight. The more bad things you hear about Labor, the more you want to vote for them?

      If you perceive a bias in News Ltd.‘s reporting wouldn’t a more sensible action be to look at other news sources (and there are many) to determine the extent of the bias and get your information from what you perceive to be least biased. Just be careful the bias doesn’t go the other way.

      It is ultimately up to the reader to decide upon which publications they read and each publication will target their selected demographic for readership. Increased readership means extra advertising revenue which is the ultimate objective.

    • sylvie says:

      02:26pm | 26/07/11

      @The righteous one:
      What’s the matter with you -  if you’re going to use that Well-Worn Quote,  get it right, ok?

      There’s a big difference between “to”  and “too”.

    • The righteous one says:

      01:23pm | 26/07/11

      As far as I can figure the only scrutiny media is currently placed under is by media watch.  I dont think I can remember hearing anything from a self-regulatory body

    • Brizben says:

      01:58pm | 26/07/11

      “This position is firstly stupid because it is wrong and ignores the fact that Murdoch newspapers openly supported the last Labor leader to legitimately win an election – only to watch him get knifed by the complainers in question.”

      Openly admitting Murdoch picks a party to support during an election cycle is evidence of bias.

    • stevem says:

      02:21pm | 26/07/11

      OR, it shows that the publication follows the readership’s bias rather than setting it.

    • Debra says:

      02:42pm | 26/07/11

      Murdoch is no idiot, off course he will support the party that the polls tell him will win. This is fair game but the Gillard/Brown regime of horror is displaying pluralism and not media freedom. In this case we don’t need the polls to know that we are being governed by the Gillard/Brown regime of horror, so what else do we expect to read but crap coming out of a crappy regime. Crap begets crap.

    • Brizben says:

      04:38pm | 26/07/11

      “OR, it shows that the publication follows the readership’s bias rather than setting it. “

      So why did they not support Julia Gillard last election? That argument only works if the Murdoch newspaper follows that methodology all the time. The latest newspoll shows a ground swell of support for the climate tax and yet The Australian had a Climate Denier story on it’s front page on the same day of the newspoll. It is obvious to see that Murdoch papers don’t follow the polls but try and set the agenda.

      The fact that people who work in newspapers openly say their newspaper supports one political party over another during an election is proof in itself of bias. Whether it is pro-Labor or pro-Liberal, admitting bias is proof of bias.

    • stevem says:

      05:08pm | 26/07/11

      I said “follows the readership’s bias” not “follows the electorate’s bias”. News’ readership had become disenchanted with Gillard prior to the election.

      Given the election result the vast majority of the voters attracted to Rudd in 2007 had deserted Labor by 2010. Now Labor’s support has hit rock bottom. I’m not sure what the lead article of the Australian was today, but the carbon tax has only gone from 3:1 to 2:1 against - still overwhelmingly negative.

    • Brizben says:

      08:09pm | 26/07/11

      And why do you think New’s readership is pro-Libs Steve? You are all spin Steve.

    • Matt says:

      03:32pm | 26/07/11

      Joe,
      Is the picture taken from a Super Nintendo, or a Nintendo 64?
      That’s the more pressing question

    • The Badger says:

      03:43pm | 26/07/11

      On Feb. 19, 1980, Mr. Murdoch visited Washington, D.C., to meet with the chairman of the U.S. Export-Import Bank, a federal agency that loans money to finance foreign purchases of American products. (That was well before the Australian-born press lord sought U.S. citizenship so that he could legally buy up American broadcasting properties.) After pleading his case for corporate welfare, he went to the White House for lunch with Mr. Carter.

      Three days later, on Feb. 22, the Post endorsed the Democratic President on the front page (a decision abruptly rescinded in the fall when the paper rudely dumped Mr. Carter and backed Ronald Reagan.) And six days after that endorsement appeared, the Ex-Im Bank approved a $290 million loan to Ansett Airlines on easy terms.

      Coincidence?
      Why would media barons use their considerable influence to further their other business interests? Doesn’t happen does it?

    • Terry says:

      05:37pm | 26/07/11

      Stick that badge ‘I luv baroness Gillard’ on your forehead for reciting something from the 1980s to support what has become an obsessive behaviour of yours. Gillard is on to Tony Blair, after being to London to see the Queen and attend a once in a life time royal wedding, visited China, visited NZ and returned visit by NZ’s PM, visited Korea, kicked the footie with Obama, spoke and cried at the US Congress dragged out the old timers, ex Labor PMinsters Keating and Hawke, backed by Liberal Leaders, Turnbull and Hewson, more backing from famous people, Cate Blanchett and Oprah, with all this your baroness is facing a wipe out if Elections were held tomorrow. Gillard was also favoured by her gender and had the advantage of first female PM of Oz which came with a honeymoon period. With all this she is now trying to muzzle the Press. What a greedy, unthankful and selfish female, no wonder she is hated.

    • sylvie says:

      06:34pm | 26/07/11

      @Terry,  Great comment.

      No wonder she is hated

    • jo says:

      04:17pm | 26/07/11

      HELLO DC
      No I couldn’t be bothered giving you examples, I have already given you one   example on the DRUM.  think what you like, but stop challenging people that don’t agree with your point of view.
      ABC24 should let other politicians have a say, instead of bombarding us with Julia Gillard all the time.

    • sylvie says:

      04:42pm | 26/07/11

      Rupert Murdoch.  Big bad media baron.
      Ho hum,  the predictable fury of his enemies.
      The huffing and puffing.
      Relax, crusaders -  the American lefties might deal with him.

      Australia has Christine Milne to contend with.

    • Joel B1 says:

      04:43pm | 26/07/11

      This conclusively proves that neither PM Gillard or any of her advisors have ever read a single story by Malcolm Farr.

      The sweet irony.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      04:51pm | 26/07/11

      But people don’t want just any old information.In fact, most people report feeling overwhelmed by the amount of information available to them.The public wants timely facts delivered in a fashion they can absorb and most of all, they want information they can trust.This is the holy grail of the new “overinformation age”
      http://www.theconversation.edu.au
      newsroom.uts.edu.au/2011/07/the-news-opinon-makers
      u@uts.edu.au
      http://www.newsroom.uts.edu.au

    • John Smythe says:

      05:00pm | 26/07/11

      So let me see if I can sum this up.

      This is the Carbon Tax Debate : Part II same debators, different skin

      Against :
      Those against the idea are not against an inquiry per se, but the supposed agenda. Especially the format of a government instigated inquiry as opposed to a third party.

      Carbon Tax Connection :
      Against the current format of the tax for lack of effectivenes/lack of planning/etc. Mostly agree Climate Change is occuring, jsut doubt the supposed impact of human generated impact as part of the whole picture.

      ROLS (Rusted On Labor Supporter)
      Inquiry :
      Clear link as it is the some multinational corporation. Id one subsidiary somewhere in the world is using bad tactics, then (here comes the Sith again) then ALL subsidiaries MUST be doing dirty tactics! It is not enough that an inquiry take place with respect to the media it MUST be Murdoch’s realm, because his is the biggest share…. (???? kind along the same illogic as other stuff but hey!) If you are against the inquiry, then you are “paranoid!”

      Carbon Tax Debate :
      If you are against it, you are a deniar!

      Pretty sad really. I wouldn’t care if an inquiry was done. But to be controlled and directed by the current government on tax payer dollars, and only targetting one segment of the media????

      To that, I say no f’ng way.

    • PeterMax says:

      05:13pm | 26/07/11

      An excellent article poking well deserved ridicule at the Julia Gillard and her Labor Government, the most incompetent Government Australia has had the serious misfortune to have.  It is busy wrecking our economy, jobs and anything else Gillard & Co touch. They have had a dream run from the media compared to the Coalition.

    • IAN WENSOR says:

      08:19pm | 26/07/11

      Joe, Having ruined this country, the only thing Gillard’s hell bent on pressing is the self destruct button and having done that,  the outcome as far as she and Labor is concerned is inevitable and a foregone conclusion.

    • Curmudgeon says:

      08:22pm | 26/07/11

      Message to the Labor parties of Australia.Pleas open your eyes and be aware that the media does not need to destroy the Labor party.You incompetent idiots are doing a very good job of this all on your own.

    • Daniel says:

      08:26pm | 26/07/11

      We need this review of the media because there is too much of a concentration of Media ownership in Australia. Especially in Tasmania. Joe you take your orders from your manager. He takes his orders from someone above him and so on. Mr Murdoch has direct involvement in the running to a degree of the empires he has built. I do not believe otherwise.He also hates us Greens that’s a fact. As Piers Akerman has said “bring it on”

    • iso of southcoast says:

      08:46am | 27/07/11

      daniel
      its not just murdoch that hates you watermelons.
      it is every wage earning australian capable of rational
      real world thinking that have nothing but utter
      contempt you greens(REDS).
      by the way news ltd dont need to attack the greens
      they are doing it themselves everytime the commie queen
      bob & is loopy lackeys milne & hansen-young open
      their mouths.

    • James says:

      10:35pm | 26/07/11

      I feel for the current government. With the carbon tax The Australian has been fairly good however if they are going to have emphasis on who opposes it say Morris Iemma they should also have on the front page that John Hewson supports it, Malcolm Fraser supports it. Plenty of other Liberals have previously endorsed a flat tax on carbon. However I understand the government is upset about the coverage of the NBN. The NBN is a poor piece of public policy, and I cannot believe it has been allowed to progress.

      Now I move to the Daily Telegraph. Which is your newspaper Joe. Your newspaper is nothing short of embarrassing, I cannot bear to read it, it makes me stupider. How The Telegraph reports the Carbon tax is unacceptable. It’s blatantly biased, and Joe’s logic is that because we backed Labor in 2007 we therefore aren’t biased.

      The truth is The Australian is fine, however the Telegraph and Courier Mail are embarrassing.

      I lament the demise of the Democrats.

    • thatmosis says:

      10:47am | 27/07/11

      Thats it, had enough of the brain dead comments by some here defending the indefensible so I have added Pers to my Ignore Idiots List and I suggest that right thinking people do the same. Ignore them and they will have no forum to spout their crap to one and all, works for me. Every time someone disagrees with these clowns it just generates more of the same inane garbage time and time again.

    • Andrew Lambert says:

      02:34pm | 27/07/11

      Why are News Ltd. journalists “filling the white spaces” with so much biased crap? Why not welcome an inquiry?, ...what happened in Britain shows that media self-regulation is a joke, and Murdoch owns a far greater percentage of the media here in Australia than in Britain. No matter how hard you try to be jocular about this, it still sounds as if ,“the lady doth protest too much”.

    • mick says:

      02:36pm | 27/07/11

      I watched the Federal elections and could not help but notice more favourable coverage go to the Liberal side of politics.  I am now watching the Carbon Tax debate and it is quite obvious to me that big business together with their wealthy hangers on are out to destroy Australia’s attempt to address this problem.  And then the media, owned by wealthy individuals or their companies, are using their mouthpiece (the Liberal Party) to bring down Labor so that not only the Carbon Tax will be gone but also the mining tax.  I guess after that Work Choices will be brought back as well.
      So stand back and have a look.  Who does it benefit that both of these policies disappear…..clearly the wealthy.  Is it any wonder that wrecking ball Abbott is up to his eye balls in denial and ‘we need an election’ and “I’ll repeal the mining tax’ rhetoric.  Sickening really. 
      I hope that average Australians see the writing on the wall even if they are being lobbied out of existence by a media which is anything other than unbiased.  An enquiry is long overdue.  Any of us who have tried to air genuine concerns about government corruption and not even gotten the time of day from newspapers or tv can attest to how biased the media is.  Rarely will any media outlet go after corrupt organisations, other than an individual.  So who does our media really serve?

    • marrickvillain says:

      04:56pm | 27/07/11

      Have a look at this yarn - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/clover-moores-council-policies-are-sending-businesses-away-from-the-cbd/story-e6freuzi-1226084521375 - in which the Daily Tele decides, on the basis of one comment from one small retailer, that big business is fleeing the city because of Clover Moore’s policies. The story says Westpac and CBA have opened offices elsewhere and implies that both didn’t open offices in the CBD. Both have, in fact, opened very major new facilities in town.
      It also mentions companies as having opened premises outside the CBD and implies they chose not to go into Clover Country. But several of the companies mentioned hired warehouses or logistics centres, not something you can do in the CBD.
      So it’s a story full of twisted facts and selective reporting, and one of a few that were also critical of Clover Moore.
      This kind of serial negative reporting is not uncommon and is generally explained as reflecting public opinion.
      But surely it also forms and moulds public opinion - incorrectly in the case of this story.
      I have no idea why the Tele chose to run a story that could have been made far more accurate with very little research and effort. But surely the public deserves to know why. If it takes an inquiry to help us all understand how stuff like this makes it into print, bring it on.

    • Andrew Lambert says:

      10:10pm | 27/07/11

      Spot on, Marrickvillain, how do they propose to defend the indefensible? Are we expected to be satisfied with an humourous (but surprisingly unfunny) article, instead of some real answers?

    • Kipling says:

      11:25am | 01/08/11

      Strange thing, I am sure I read this exact same article under Andrew Bolts column not too long ago, exactly the same, not similar but identical. At the time I remember thinking there should be D) All of the above…. Now seeing this in print here under a different supposed author I am convinced.

      So much wailing and gnashing of teeth by News (extremely) Limited staff about a possible media review is of great concern, considering it was your parent company’s actions that provided the trigger to call for an inquiry.

      I have had it to the high teeth seeing, in particular, the Daily Telegraphs nauseating self-praise about all of their causes, issues and actions as though this infotainment fish wrapper has been responsible at any level for social issues. Further, I have had it to the high teeth reading particular commentators (they’re not real journos after all) banging on about free speech when they (wrongly) perceive they are under some threat to be silenced, yet, they demonstrably do not support free speech for their detractors.

      The media does have a lot to answer for.

      One would think it generous to suggest a full inquiry, whereas, based on evidence available (NoW scandal) it would not be unreasonable to single out News Limited. After all, the Telegraph’s own Piers Akerman (another whiner about free press bla bla bla) only a week or two prior to this scandal breaking waxed lyrical about a full review of the ABC because Adam Spence hung the phone up on Chris Mockington… Yet a full media inquiry is somehow an attack of free press.

      It is the job of the press to inform the public, however, what we see in the modern world is info media driving its own agenda and attempting to form public opinion rather than meet its obligation to informal. That in short, is called propaganda. The only difference is that private interests drive current propaganda and not specific political parties. Either way it is still insidious, dishonest and lacking in any form of integrity.

      It is wildly ironic that on the one hand that specifically, the Telegraph can suggest that they have merely reported what Labor are doing to themselves and yet blithely fail to recognise that, with regards to a call for a media inquiry, the media have done this to themselves also.

      Whilst to a small degree I buy it that ALP has shot themselves in the foot fairly consistently over the last few decades, the reporting of various political machinations has not been fair, even handed or unbiased. Both primary parties have blatantly deceived the Australian public federally and at a state level, yet; only one party has been effectively tarred and feathered in the press about this.

      So, who actually wrote this article and why is it being used by at least two correspondents (are either of you actually journalists)?

      Whether or not that question is worth answering is totally up to you, but please consider the implications with regard to honest, diligent and transparent journalism and then do not be at all surprised to find this particular correspondent thinks it a review is long overdue.

      If you lot (in the media) were genuine about being open and transparent then surely you would embrace a review in order to
      A) Demonstrate your transparent professional integrity.
      B) Address any actual issues or concerns that are raised and therefore use the review as a learning experience to strive for best practice
      C) Be proven to be trustworthy
      D) All of the above….

    • Kipling says:

      10:18am | 06/08/11

      So, no clarification as to who the actual author of the original article is? Can’t say that I am at all surprised by that.
      Another oddity of our transparent and balanced media is the caning the PM gets for apparently hopping into bed with those oh so dangerous Greens and the Independents, how evil of her and the contrasting derth of information or comment either positively or negatively about the NSW Premier hopping into bed with the Shooters Party (Lets have shooting in schools…) and Fred Nile (Let’s not have ethics classes in school, apprently ethics competes with religion…)

      Please note, I am not singing the praises of our Federal Government, it is the Government we deserve, likewise I am not singing the praises of the State Government, it too is the Government we deserve…

 

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