He’s jokey, he’s hokey, he’s contrite, he’s frank. He’s Kevin Rudd and he’s trying to convince you he has learned his lesson.

Image: Mark Knight

KR #2 last night used an ABC political chat show, Q&A, to suddenly start talking about some of those events of the past 12 months which are still shaping and plaguing the ALP and the government.

Rudd did so with a beguiling combination of Dad Jokes and aw-shucks language (in which Zimbabwe becomes Zim and Americans were Yanks, factional leaders were thugsters).

The second element was a finely honed competence. Rudd has always impressed by his knowledge of foreign affairs. It’s the edge he once used to raise the prospect of competence in other areas of public management.

The third was a sense of regret and apology from a man who struggled with the big issues but, hey folks, I’m only human. Or as Rudd put it last night: “Guess what? Political leaders are not perfect.’’ And wrapping it all together was the zinger line: “I may in the future be a less trusting soul.’‘

Kevin Rudd has neither forgiven others nor foregone what he believes are his rightful ambitions at the top of Australian politics.

While conceding that he made a mistake by deferring action on an Emissions Trading Scheme - “The judgment I made then was wrong. You make mistakes in public life. That was a big one. I made it.”

Rudd also revealed or confirmed that he had in fact resisted a hardline bid in cabinet to junk the climate change response completely—“You had some folk who wanted to get rid of it altogether, that is kill the ETS as a future proposition for the country. I couldn’t abide that.’‘

So get the picture? The Visigoths of cabinet wanted to rape and pillage the ETS and if it were not for Kevin they would have had their way. But he was able to send the carbon plan off to the safety of the future before it was completely ravaged.

Rudd’s acknowledgement of flawed decision making was actually an indictment of those who sat with him in cabinet. His concession took some of the pressure off Julia Gillard, but also left hanging the possibility she rode with the Visigoths.

Kevin Rudd, never a comfortable creature of the Labor culture, also saved up a backhander for the party figures, most largely unknown to the public, who decided he had to go as PM.

It was presented as an overall outlook on Labor post the NSW election, but we know who he meant.

“And the organisation is one where still we have factional leaders who intimidate a lot of the rest of the party from getting on with the business of being an effective political force in the country,’’ he said.

“When the Labor Party’s at its best, it’s putting the nation first and the party last. The Labor Party at its best is putting its members first as opposed to factional thugsters first.”

On television last night, Kevin Rudd’s candour and self criticism seem to flop around as innocently as his famous fringe of hair. But Labor figures know that’s not quite the case.

Rudd had chosen the timing and the setting to again stick an elbow into those who undercut him last June, and make clear he wasn’t going away.

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    • Cate P says:

      12:50pm | 05/04/11

      Looks like the people are intending to make them all go away at the next election ...

    • Bern says:

      01:33pm | 05/04/11

      Bring it on, it can not come fast enough

    • Rosie says:

      02:56pm | 05/04/11

      Don’t you just love the way they are playing it down. How some of them in the cabinet, wanted to kill Rudd’s ETS. Just heard Gillard and Chris Bowen making out it was all in the past but desperately trying to sell us something Gillard, Swann and others didn’t even believe in!

      That folks is our PM, unscrupulous, liar and no moral fibre!

    • john says:

      05:08pm | 05/04/11

      Another election, what for, are you guys nuts? We just had one last year, with an outcome the electorate should be proud of.  Let the independents,labor, liberal & greens rip each other apart and let no-one have absolute power, so the government can’t screw us silly… like howard did.
      Not a smart idea to go to another election, we should stay the course and go full term.
      Keep those pollies on tenterhooks I say.

    • Bill says:

      07:10pm | 05/04/11

      Rosie, didn’t Abbott say something recently about the Libs being the party of strong opinions and vigorous debate?  What’s the difference here?

    • Ben says:

      12:13am | 06/04/11

      Julia Gillard would not be happy about RUDD telling the Truth when asked a Question.. This is against Party Policy..

    • Steve Woy Woy says:

      12:42am | 06/04/11

      @ Rosie seems to be that the right always play the man in the game and not the ball… much to be said of that tactic Mr Abbott.. Rosie Rosie Rosie… did you understand the link above on my other post from mountebank Johnny? this on is of the same about Greg Hunt MP… you do know his portfolio don’t you!!  http://bit.ly/iaSYrv

    • killerbee says:

      02:30am | 06/04/11

      steve of woy woy

      What has a previous liberal leaders view got to do with what the current opposition is doing. Following your example Mark Lathams opinions should be current ALP opinion.
      You liberal haters can’t help yourselves, can you?

    • Chris L says:

      12:18pm | 06/04/11

      Killerbee, you raise a fair point but it gets lost among the Liberal comments about Keating, Rudd’s PM days and, indeed, Latham. I think you should get your side to clean up before criticising the other side for the same thing.

    • Keen Observer says:

      12:53pm | 05/04/11

      Am I first??

    • Andrew says:

      05:56pm | 05/04/11

      Rarely, I would have thought.

    • Clancy says:

      12:57pm | 05/04/11

      This man should never have been removed as prime minister.
      I for one believe he can become prime minister again.
      He actually leads both GIllard and Abbott as preferred PM.

    • L. says:

      01:42pm | 05/04/11

      “He actually leads both GIllard and Abbott as preferred PM. “

      Not sure sympathy votes count..

    • Rosie says:

      01:50pm | 05/04/11

      Clancy

      Rudd was impressive last night on Q&A and should have been given the chance to contest the election a second time. Unfortunately it was taken away from him in the worst possible way one could ever imagine. His replacement has done nothing but put this nation in turnmoil from day one!

      I disagree with you that Rudd leads the way both Gillard and Abbott as preferred PM. It isn’t fair to equate Tony Abbott with Gillard, Tony Abbott was never PM and in a democracy should at least be given a chance!

      One thing for sure is Rudd as PM is way in front of Gillard and to be fair to Tony Abbott and the people of Australia the next election should be Rudd versus Abbott,

      Smart Australians should now realize we don’t want or deserve factional thugsters inferferring with the Labor Party like they did getting rid of an elected PM.

    • Tex Ranger says:

      02:39pm | 05/04/11

      The opportunity wasn’t taken from him.

      If he had any idea what he was doing, he would have made every effort to have a double dissolution election as soon as Turnbull was rolled.

      Would have ended up with an ALP majority in both houses.

    • Troy says:

      04:17pm | 05/04/11

      Clancy I voted in that poll Rudd V Gillard, and I voted Rudd because I cant stand LIARS. But if Abbott was in that poll I would have voted Abbott, so the reality is yes Rudd is better than Gillard, but if there was an election I would vote for Abbott and put the Greens last and Labor second last.

    • PTom says:

      04:25pm | 05/04/11

      Rosie,
      Rubbish “in a democracy Abbott should at least be given a chance” why not Nelson or Turnbull. In a democracy we decide who gets in not selective favouritism.

      Rudd replacing Gillard before the next election more likely to be Gillard v Turnbull at the next election.

    • Troy says:

      04:25pm | 05/04/11

      @Tex Ranger, I think you would find if Rudd called an election with the ETS as the platform he would have been smashed. If you can remember there was no info coming out at the time about the proposed ETS and what effect it would have on family budgets. Thats why Rudd moved heaven and earth to get it passed before copenhagen, and the Greens refused to support it, so he needed to deal with the Liberals. Carbon Tax/ETS has already claimed Howard, Turnbull and Rudd and suspect Gillard will be very soon.

    • Bob says:

      04:57pm | 05/04/11

      His popularity has increased because we don’t hear from him. Put him back as PM and we’d remember why we hated him!

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      06:28pm | 05/04/11

      Not even a straw man, you are all forgeting that he didn’t have the ticker to stand up against Ghoulia & her thugs when they had the spill, he might have won, so to whinge & whine afterwards shows he is just a sook & not someone to run Oz

    • Paul C says:

      07:57am | 06/04/11

      @Tex Ranger - Thank God that didn’t happen.

    • Short Memories says:

      02:55pm | 06/04/11

      How short people’s memories are… Rudd call a double dissolution right in the middle of “climategate”? Not when it was “reviewed” but while it was under investigation with the real chance there might’ve been issues coming out of it? Climate change would’ve been dead, buried and cremated then and there.

    • Mahhrat says:

      01:03pm | 05/04/11

      So Malcolm, I infer then your respect for how the man has played this particular round of politics, utilising media outlets to further his course and that (eventually) of his constituency?

      If not, I fail to understand what you’re trying to do but assassinate character.  He admitted a mistake (something few politicians ever, ever do), criticised the people who he thought supported him, stated that the Labour party was best when they did their jobs and quit the factional BS that saw him backstabbed, and yet for all that he’s just another self-serving Lefty with hidden agendas?

      That could be said of any politician of any stripe ever.  They’re all in it for the power.  I’m firmly on the fence about K.Rudd, but I reckon last night’s performance was beautifully times and delivered with just enough subtlety to the masses so that they first don’t forget about him, and second realise what a horrible mess things are in and that, hey, he ain’t perfect but out of the alternatives available, we could (and are) doing worse.

      If that’s not good politics, I don’t know what is.

    • Rightway Rogan says:

      06:24pm | 05/04/11

      I don’t believe that Ruddy planned to discuss his call concerning the ETS. Last night’s Q and A was highly enjoyable largely because Tony’s line-up of guests made for informative answers. The audience, me too,  was highly captivated with the questions and answers that had the former pm making such headline news today.

    • Paul says:

      01:07pm | 05/04/11

      In one television moment Kevin Rudd has told Australia he’ll do better next time as leader, and Julia Gillard, that he is on the way back, so mind your back.

    • L. says:

      03:03pm | 05/04/11

      He’ll only be back if the opportunists in the party sense that his return will be good for them..not the party or Australia, but them.

    • Karma at work,lets watch,I cant turn away, says:

      09:25pm | 06/04/11

      Hope he Enjoys Twisting the Knifes,Or is that Just Me…I keep hearing the John Lennon Song , the one about : Mr Karma going to get you, he going to stab you in the Back.Hes coming after You, You better watch Your Back…. Rudds new nick name, Mr Karma.. or Kar Rudd.

    • Return of the RUDD says:

      12:00am | 07/04/11

      YES put RUDD back, Everyone would agree after you remind them that we will have JULIA GILLARD for another 2 years..and 6 months….He wont BOW to the GREENS, because he didnt make DEALS with Them…Juliar did, Take it up with HER,Bob Brown…Deals off…

    • SM says:

      01:07pm | 05/04/11

      It’s quite sickening watching former leaders placing their own aspirations or grudges ahead of the party they represent. 

      Rudd was giggling like a baby and loving every minute of Tony Jones asking him whether Gillard was one of the ones who wanted to abandon the ETS altogether.  His careful pauses and grinning answers along the line of “I’m not going to name names” effectively did just that.

      Kind of like the former captain of a football team who still plays for the team pushing his own barrow instead of supporting the captain that replaced him. Would never happen, and if it did, the former captain would be a player no more

      Politicians are a disgraceful bunch

    • Vaunted says:

      04:00pm | 05/04/11

      It’s no more than giant ego @ SM. Kevin Rudd is Australia’s greatest-ever PM and everything else, in his own mind. No doubt he imagines we’re all clamouring for him to come back and save us. The thought that would never occur to him is that why so many of us want him back is simply so we can have the pleasure of (1) witnessing the excruciating discomfort of Julia and the gang, and (2) tipping him out ourselves at the first electoral opportunity.

    • Gerard says:

      05:08pm | 05/04/11

      It’s far more sickening watching current leaders placing their party’s aspirations and grudges ahead of the people they claim to represent.

    • Pollyanna says:

      01:14pm | 05/04/11

      I really get the impression from him that he’s enjoying “doing them slowly”
      Having the Foreign Minister on live TV across the Nation breaking Cabinet confidentiality, and having subtle digs at the PM and Treasurer of his own Government shows this Government are in one huge mess. To add to this you have Gillard performing a melodrama with Bob Brown. But it appears she may have gone too far on that one and Bob really seems to be hurt this time. So when will be Bobs turn to seek revenge on Gillard? or will it be Kevins revenge first? And to think we get to watch on free to air! Is anyone running the country?

    • NicoleG says:

      01:48pm | 05/04/11

      I don’t care if it’s Rudd or Bob who has revenge first, because I just love watching it all unfold. Won’t be long now.

    • Rosie says:

      02:45pm | 05/04/11

      NicoleG

      It would be wishful thinking on my part to have Gillard ousted before the Royal wedding and Mr & Mrs Rudd attend as Australia’s Commonwealth representive. Oh how sweet that would be.

    • Gladys says:

      03:24pm | 05/04/11

      Rosie: that’s my dream too! SNAP
      (May I have a capitalisation exemption?)

    • NicoleG says:

      04:04pm | 05/04/11

      Just the mere thought of her going over there makes me cringe. Kev, Bob, whoever, hurry up!!!

    • Frederika says:

      05:56pm | 05/04/11

      OMG
      You girls are so cool.
      Can we like catch up and have some Chardonnay down at the winebar.
      I’m sure we could have a real legs up.

    • Paul C says:

      08:07am | 06/04/11

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Rudd votes LNP at the next election just to ensure that labor looses, just to rub their noses in it.

    • Kevs Got Spine. rare in a Politician. says:

      10:20pm | 07/04/11

      Hes a Rebel…Rudd is our only chance..Could this Rebel usher in a New Age of TRUTH in Public Affairs..He speaks the Truth like no other Polly that I have heard…Give Back, What Is His..,Get KEV back he can tell the GREENS.. all DEALS OFF…Get rid of the NBN, Carbon Tax,,and have a New direction with Energy..Research and Development with Investment, and so on,, We should be moving away from OIL…

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:14pm | 05/04/11

      I bet my wife on 15/12/07 that Rudd “would not be PM 1 week after the next election”

      I won, but now have the far harder wager “will Rudd be PM 1 week after the next election”


      Climate Deniers in the ALP Cabinet!  WOW!

    • PTom says:

      04:39pm | 05/04/11

      Don’t know if you can call the climate deniers or economic gurus remember the decision was made during the GFC. As Rudd point out last night some in cabinets said it should be scrapped based on economic reasons.

    • Joel B2 says:

      05:58pm | 05/04/11

      PTom
      Stop making sense, you’ll ruin the conservatives fun.
      Just agree with whatever they make up.

    • Andrew says:

      06:00pm | 05/04/11

      So you got to keep your wife!  Why don’t you just bet $50 next time?

    • Andrew says:

      06:01pm | 05/04/11

      So you got to keep your wife!  Why don’t you just bet $50 next time?

    • Joel B2 says:

      06:26pm | 05/04/11

      Andrew
      Doesn’t matter how many times you say it, he won’t get it.
      mind like a banana.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:16pm | 05/04/11

      Rudd is indeed an enigma. Coward or hero? Stable or unstable? Reliable or unpredictable? Misunderstood? Who knows? Like the ‘real’ and ‘fake’ Juliar we have the many faces of Rudd. The issue at hand is can he be back as PM to save the ALP? The ALP is floundering and they need real leadership and it would be interesting to see if Rudd gets back in. Some people look to Stephen Smith as a leader and saviour of the Party but Smith lacks that killer edge to play in the nasty high level ALP power game. Rudd needs to save his legacy, right now he is the millionaire ex-PM renowed for crying and attacking air hosties. The next few weeks should be interesting. If Gillard makes it to June to collect that pension than at the next Federal election the ALP is all but finished but if she is replaced with someone else (Rudd, Smith, Shorten or Combet) and they can deliver a few killer policies, the ALP might have a fighting chance.

    • Gregg says:

      12:30am | 07/04/11

      They’ve already got their killer policies and we’ll all just be dying slowly because of them.
      Swan is talking of having to bring down a tough budget because of their $$$$ blowing ways and that will make things a tad more interesting too.

    • GB says:

      01:19pm | 05/04/11

      This is just the beginning. Anybody thinking Rudd and his colossal ego wouldn’t be seeking retribution against his assassins is delusional. The only thing rivalling his over-inflated opinion of himself is his vindictive streak so look out Jools. Personally I’m going to enjoy every minute of this soap opera as it unfolds. Strap yourselves in for a fun-filled ride boys and girls.

    • Kathy says:

      06:36pm | 05/04/11

      I agree GB, it was always going to happen…he has been patient & bided his time.  Gillard was never going to get away with knifing him.

    • Super D says:

      01:21pm | 05/04/11

      So which Labor cabinet members wanted to dump the ETS permanently and do any of them support the latest plan?

    • MarK says:

      01:48pm | 05/04/11

      Ferguson believes it is all bullshit for one.

      Combet does not believe in it but plays the game really well.

      Who really knows though.

      The cat is belled. The game is up. Julia is in all sorts of trouble now.

      As to the latest plan….might of been nice if she asked them before announcing it don’t you think? New paradigm and all raspberry

    • JohnT says:

      03:21pm | 05/04/11

      Lindsay Tanner then Finance Minister and Penny Wong also wanted the ETS dropped. What a wicked web they wove when first they practised to deceive.

    • Muzz says:

      07:26pm | 06/04/11

      Well if Julia wanted to kill it why is she resurecting it now? Doesn’t make sense. The greens and independents will never turn to the Coalition. Her term is safe.

    • barry Crocker says:

      01:23pm | 05/04/11

      I dont like Kevin, never had - but he handled himself well last night. Last June he was shafted by powerbrokers and Gillard looks like a total snake incapable of leading the nation.
      Swannie is a joke who is determined to give us substantial debt for a slighty faster internet that no one can actually afford. Ever heard of wirless internet - just released in HK with faster speeds. Labor are a joke. Bring back Turnbull I say.!

    • Molly Daveson says:

      04:08pm | 05/04/11

      No difference betwen Rudd and Turnbull. Both self serving egotists. The best thing that the Libs can do is boot Turnbull out,  and let him and Rudd unite.

    • Rob M says:

      10:04pm | 05/04/11

      @ Molly

      Quick question, Molly: Who was the better British PM - Winston Churchill or Neville Chamberlain?

      My point: Better an egotist than a populist. At least egotists have some conviction and political integrity.

      Turnbull was a man of conviction and political integrity; so much so that he was prepared to fight for his beliefs - even to fight his own party-room. Abbott? He just follows the path of least resistance. Just the other week, he publicly endorsed three different views on climate change in the space of seven days. The man’s a political chameleon. If Labor hadn’t have been so awful, the electorate would have woken up to his negative snipes and exiguous policy. Tony Abbott’s Liberal Party is where political integrity goes to die. He’ll be gone before the cycle is out.

    • Liz says:

      01:38pm | 05/04/11

      Hasn’t anybody told Labor, we have had enough of personality politics and its for some real policies? Cost of living, cost of housing and cost of electricity is spiraling out of control and all they can talk about is personalities.

      Time for real policies and real management of the federal budget. I think somebody has forgot to Mr Rudd that Bill Shorten is doing the numbers on the PM as we speak. Oh and Mr Rudd Australia cannot afford to give 10% of a carbon tax to the UN just so you can get a seat on the UN security council and for what? So you flit about the world and do what???????

    • Miki says:

      01:40pm | 05/04/11

      Loved every minute of it. Interesting to watch the media spin that’s wrapping around Rudd’s admissions. The way the media responds to Rudd is fascinating. They do seem to get all aflutter and attribute Rudd with all kinds of superhuman attributes. Love Julie Bishop’s and Julia Gillard’s responses. Fun all round.

    • Steve says:

      02:58pm | 05/04/11

      I agree with your comment regarding the media’s relationship with Rudd. I used to think Tony Jones from Q & A was pro Labor but I am beginning to think he is pro Rudd. Jones was practically begging Rudd to confirm that Gillard wanted the ETS scrapped. I interpreted his body language and smiles as confirming that point. The upshot is that Gillard supported the dropping of the ETS which caused Rudd to take a massive hit in the polls which resulted in Gillard taking over from Rudd. Then ruling out a carbon tax because it appeared to be political poisin then introducing it to placate the greens. I wonder when the electorate digests that how the polls will read? Rudd’s demise was sown by taking Gillards advice. No wonder Rudd 11 is still miffed.

    • Puff the Magid Dragon says:

      01:41pm | 05/04/11

      Wow, this is getting confusing. We may have 2.5 Prime Ministers for Labor (Bob, Julia, and now Kevin). Personally I like the darkhorse Kevin. I think what we saw is a person/politician speaking from the heart. You could see in his eyes and with how he spoke, he had no intention of hurting his party but at the same time he did not want to lie to the public. He is just not as good at it as his successor. You could just see on Q&A, everybody just wanted to hear what he had to say.

    • Dash says:

      01:41pm | 05/04/11

      More evidence today from newspoll that Gillard has taken the ALP backwards as she moves the party further and further to the left! Primary support was higher under Rudd. The ALP and their Green comrades are fading fast. Unless they drop the Carbon tax, after the May budget they are gone!

      I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a deal with Windsor to allow an escape from this pig of a policy. But remember “we are absolutely determined to put a price on carbon”. If they dump it, they lose the greens support. If they keep it they lose the next election. If only they could blame an independent from stopping it in the lower house?????????

    • bobw says:

      03:47pm | 05/04/11

      @Dash:  In what sense has the ALP moved “further and further to the left”?

    • Dot says:

      04:04pm | 05/04/11

      bobw
      To a person of dash’s political bearings, everyone is to the left.
      Most know that Labor has moved to the right and in doing so has exposed some traditional ground to the greens.
      dash has just posted his wish list. It amuses the conservatives and keeps them busy for the years they are in opposition.
      Pretty harmless posturing from a party that has little else.
      .

    • Dash says:

      04:57pm | 05/04/11

      bobw - If you haven’t noticed they have adopted the Greens Carbon price policy. And they have said as much and stood shoulder to shoulder with Bob Brown during the announcement. They have also adopted the Green policies of increased taxation of individuals and corporates. Signed the aliance agreement with the greens in front of the media after the election. Profits tax, the compensation scheme (basically socialist wealth redistribution) under the carbon tax, and hitting high income earners under the flood levy.

      You have state censorship under the ALPs proposed internet filter scheme and a state ownership model for the NBN. And you also had state control over the authorisation of BER builders. You know those ALP approved builders with their noses in the taxpayer trough.

      You have ex peacenik anti nueclear Peter (what insulation fiasco) Garrett, ACTU secretary (I’m suddenly a climate change expert) Greg Combet, and ex AWU union heavy Shorten on the front bench.

      I don’t see center or centre right policy flowing from cabinet these days!

      Gillard was a member of the Socialist Forum right up until 2002. No one should really be surprised. She’s marginalised the party as can be seen by the 32% primary of todays polls.

      “I’m an economic conservative” seems a very long time gone!

    • Dash says:

      05:09pm | 05/04/11

      Dot, keep on spinning. Explain the need for an alliance agreement with the Greens if your movin too the right! Gillard has marginalised the ALP. Her Socialist Forum ideas have driven them too the left and I couldn’t care less if you believe me. Look at the polls! Primary has fallen to a megre 32% as a result. How many ex union hacks are on the front bench these days?

      Little else?? Except perhaps a 13 point primary lead over the ALP and the rotting carcass of the ALP in NSW! Can the ALP call itself a party in NSW these days???

      Enjoy your electricity bills rising Dot! Any idea when you might get those cheaper groceries, or the cheaper fuel or the 260 childcare centres Rudd promised you. Any sign of root and branch tax reform Dot? What about a balanced budget. Do you live in iternal hope the ALP might be able to produce one of those some time during the next mellenium?

    • Dot says:

      05:31pm | 05/04/11

      bobw
      let them vent.
      might be a little less domestic violence in the hood tonight.

    • Dash says:

      06:30pm | 05/04/11

      Dot, ha ha, those union heavies cracked any more ALP heads in NSW lately? Oh yeah sorry, none left to crack. They’ve all moved to Canberra.

      There’ll be a lot less violence in Vaucluse tonight than the last time the ALP changed leader. Has Rudd managed to remove that knife yet Dot? Have Faulkner and Tanner stopped running yet?

      Now all that’s left behind is the Lefty Alliance and Gillard reading to her union buddies from her little red book. Trying to work out how to: get union membership up over 12% of the workforce, find another excuse to tax middle Australia, keep their primary from falling below 30%, and an excuse for Peter Garrett!

      Quick time to announce another incomplete policy and perhaps they wont notice the East Timor rejection. It’s more like Barnum’s Circus than government!

      See the Red Clown backflip again. See Mr Economic Conservative spend the surplus in just half an hour. See the two faced leader lie through her teeth. See an ACTU secretary impersonate a climate change expert. See a rockstar impersonate a politician whilst houses burn.

      Electricity prices are up, fuel prices are up, grocery prices are up, childcare costs are up, home affordability is down, interest rates are up, taxes are up. Are we moving forward yet?

    • bobw says:

      01:10am | 06/04/11

      But Dash (of 4:57pm), that is simply a list drawn from your standard - heavily-slanted, dubious - catalogue of soundbite Labor “disgraces” and “FRAUDS”.  It doesn’t speak to a left/right distinction, let alone demonstrate that Gillard has overseen a radical Labor shift to the left - and nor does banging on about the Socialist Forum or union affiliations.  The fact is that the left/right Labor/Liberal distinction doesn’t amount to much at the moment.  Both parties hover around the centre.  Your apparent fears of a creeping Marxist coup are misplaced.  Please note though that in one sense Abbott’s state-centric climate change proposal is more “left-wing” than Labor’s market-based scheme.  I trust you will berate him for his “big government” thinking in due course.

      @Dot:  Sound advice, but sometimes I guess I just can’t help myself…  It’s mildly entertaining watching Dash’s posts become increasingly frenzied and generic as a thread wears on.  “Rotting carcass”?  “The Red Clown”??  These are new to me, but of course we also get old favourites like the “electricity prices are up, fuel prices are up” spiel, which Dash has only posted about 6,000 times before.  Dash, where is good old trusty-rusty “two families polluting exactly the same”?

      As I have mentioned before, most of Dash’s posts are reducible to this:

      bobgillgrbigfrautaxliaredistribsocialiscampinkbaltlredbook!
      disgrapropagachinaliarchinagilliarjuliarunioFRAUD!
      twofamiliespollutingexactlythesamecommiescommies!

    • Dash says:

      08:57am | 06/04/11

      And yet ALP primary is down to 32% and falling since the Rudd dismissal. Seems you two are firmly in the minority and like the rest of the ALP clan, have your head in the sand. Quick yell extremist!

    • Greg says:

      10:23am | 06/04/11

      bobw, I disagree with you about both parties hovering around the centre. I think Dash, for all his rhetoric, is absolutely correct. And the parties are more diverged than I can remember. I think Gillard has moved the ALP to the left. I think the Green alliance has damaged the party, their centre right front bench members have quit the parliament since Rudd’s departure and I think they are following policies which are marginalising the party. And I might add, this move away from the centre has cost them primary support. If you cut through Dash’s emotion, that seems to be what he is saying and I agree 100%. If they don’t change, they will not survive.

    • bobw says:

      11:44am | 06/04/11

      Er, Dash - you are the only one “yelling extremist” around here.  Remember where this thread started, with “further and further to the left”?  Does “Little Red Book” ring a bell?

      I’m afraid I am not a member of “the ALP clan”.  I am, however, a lifetime member of the Society for the Prevention of Hyperbolic Rhetoric.

      @Greg:  Examples?  It’s all relative, of course, but the two-party system exerts a lot of centrist gravity.

    • Dash says:

      12:42pm | 06/04/11

      @Greg - thanks for the support. I think Bobw is one of those tired old ALP hacks that make excuses for the party no matter how crap they are! Any way you look at it, this is a failed government that has moved away from mainstream Australia and is suffering the consequences. If they had clear popular support for their agenda perhaps Bobw’s comments would be reasonable. But as you say, their move away from the centre has cost them primary support. You highlighted their alliance with the greens, the resultant policy and the fact that their frontbench is staked to the left but Bobw still asks for examples?

      Bobw says “the two-party system exerts a lot of centrist gravity”. But under Gillards “new paradigm”, we don’t have a “two-party system”! Hence the ALP movement towards the left and in particular, the greens to shore up support. That move is losing them ALP centre and centre right support. How Bobw can’t see that is beyond me. But it seems Greg, you, I and now a clear majority of the electorate can.

    • Dot says:

      12:55pm | 06/04/11

      Dash
      Mainstream Australia is not way over there on the right, next to the lunatic fringe.
      Just because that’s where your ideology lies, doesn’t make it mainstream anything.

    • bobw says:

      01:17pm | 06/04/11

      LOL, what a surprise - another non-responsive post from Dash. 

      Yes Dash, anyone who questions your overblown, one-eyed diatribes must necessarily be a “tired old ALP hack”.  Champagne reasoning there, my friend.  If you could point out where I have “made excuses for” Labor, I’d be very grateful. 

      Neither “the alliance with the Greens” nor “the resultant policy” (whatever that is supposed to refer to) demonstrates that the ALP is pursuing a radical left-wing agenda.  I am not sure what “their frontbench is staked to the left” is even supposed to mean, but it certainly doesn’t say much about policy orientation of itself.

    • Dash says:

      01:55pm | 06/04/11

      Dot, whilst the ALP and it’s supports continue to deamonise middle Australia as a “lunatic fringe”, their primary support will continue to fall. You either pull your head out of the sand and change or suffer the consequences. Doesn’t bother me at all to see the ALP going backwards.

      Anyone who disagrees with the Gillard and Brown coalition is being branded a lunatic fringed extremist. My view is that whenever the conservative silent majority feel compelled to march, there must be something wrong!

      But I’m happy for you to keep your head planted in the sand, call me a lunatic if you like (there seems to be quite a lot of us lunatics around). You can even suggest there is domestic violence in my household if it makes you feel better about yourself. It’s all sticks and stones really because those comments reflect more on the person you are than they ever will on me.

    • Greg says:

      02:09pm | 06/04/11

      @Bobw, Hi, I would agree with you that the two party system generates centrist gravity. However, the ALPs minority position has meant that they had to do deals with the greens and independents. So it really doesn’t apply here. We’ve seen Gillard recently try to distance herself from Brown because of the damage the alliance (real or perceived) has done to the ALP. There are ALP people moving away from the party and not towards the greens but to the LNP. If NSW is any guide, that’s the reality of the situation.

      I personally don’t think the ALP can survive at the left margin. They need to move back towards the centre. Their problem is they have over committed to this Carbon tax without finalising and or announcing enough detail behind the policy. And they have a record of doing that time and again e.g the East Timor announcement and the profits tax debacle.

      Also, if your Society exists, it’s had quite a bit of work to do with some of the ALPs Rhetoric since ‘07. “Biggest moral challenge of our time”, “Root and Branch reform”, “working families”, “Education Revolutions”, “Moving Forward” all spring to mind.

      @Dot - Mainstream Australia would not appear to be over where the ALP are either and given they’re the government, I think that’s the point.

    • Dot says:

      02:41pm | 06/04/11

      Dash
      You really are thick.
      What does it take to penetrate your thick skull that the LNP sits so close to the lunatic fringe they can spell Paulines breath in the morning?
      You aren’t anywhere near the middle ground.
      You’re the one that thought it was ok to call women bitches. Can dish it out, but can’t take it? Weak as.

    • bobw says:

      03:22pm | 06/04/11

      Dash:  “Anyone who disagrees with the Gillard and Brown coalition is being branded a lunatic fringed extremist.”

      The irony is palpable…

      @Greg:  True enough, minority government may disrupt the ordinary dynamic somewhat - but I’m yet to see any evidence that it’s likely to lead to the kind of wacko Marxist policies that Dash seems so concerned about.  Dash certainly hasn’t pointed to any.  The range of politically acceptable positions is pretty narrow in Australia, and very much tethered to the centre.  Many countries have “mainstream” political parties that are far more charactertistically leftist than the ALP.

      I agree that the ALP may have politically mishandled the carbon price announcement, but that’s neither here nor there on the left/right issue.  That said, the lack of available detail does point up the basic silliness of the claim - one of Dash’s favourites - that carbon pricing is all about “socialist wealth redistribution”.  How can one possibly say that when we have no idea how the money is likely to flow?  In any event, as I pointed out earlier, there’s nothing particularly left-wing about a market-based scheme addressed to climate change, and in one sense Abbott’s “Direct Action” plan is more characteristically of the “left”.

      Don’t get me started on the poverty of contemporary political language - I agree that it’s awful.  However, the problem is hardly native to the ALP.  I realise, of course, that pointing this out probably defines me as some kind of “Red Clown Unionist” or something of that nature wink

    • Dash says:

      03:24pm | 06/04/11

      @ Dot, sorry but I didn’t call anyone a bitch! Not even you. I never said that at all and if you had an ounce of decency, you’d retract that comment. Please don’t put words into my mouth.

      You are the one name calling. I’m not the one who made an accusation about domestic violence. That came from you. I haven’t called anyone I don’t know thick purely because they have a different view to me. And as I said, I’m happy to cop your abuse because your comments reflect much more on you than they do on me.

      I didn’t earn my masters in Economics or my MBA by being thick. I’m happy to debate economics with you any day of the week.

      The beaten man (or in your case woman) always resorts to verbal abuse. If you think verbal abuse makes you tough and me “weak as”, once again, that says more about the type of person you are.

    • Dash says:

      04:00pm | 06/04/11

      @Bobw. OK what about you give us a response. How does the following add up to good government:

      Grocery choice $13m wasted
      Fuelwatch $21m wasted
      260 childcare centres - promise abandoned
      The East Timor Solution - announced a policy which never existed and never will
      $900 handouts to dead people and people overseas
      The $47b wasted second stimulus package which overheated the economy driving interest rates up 7 times over the last 12 months
      The insulation fiasco
      The green loans fiasco
      Cash for clunkers - promise never delivered
      The BER rorts by builders who were backed by the ALP
      The Coast Guard - promise never delivered
      The removal of the elected PM by backroom factions of the ALP
      The Root and Branch tax reform - promise never delivered
      The 2020 talk fest
      Using emergency powers as an excuse to spend $30m+ of taxpayers money advertising the profits tax.
      “There will be no Carbon tax under the Government I lead” Julia Gillard, Channel 10 news, 16 August 2010
      The promise of more affordable housing - never delivered
      The promise of Cheaper Better Childcare - never delivered
      The promise not to build any onshore detention centres - 3 now announced
      Labor paid $952 million in consultancy contracts in its first two years in office, more than any other government in history
      The biggest budget defecit of any government in our history
      The lie not to touch the private health tax rebate
      The lie on election eve committing to a citizens climate change assembly
      $11b in bribes to independents to win minority office
      By October 2010, electricity prices up 42%, water and sewerage up by 45%, mortgage interest rates up seven times in the past year
      $1.3 billion Green Car Innovation Fund - promise scrapped
      “Yes I do commit to keeping the promises at a local level that Labor and Labor candidates made at the last election” (Gillard, Question Time, 20-10-10)
      Gillard says she did not believe that she would be able to honour her election promises because of the “new environment” (18-9-2010).
      We will honour every promise made to the Australian people (Rudd 17/03/2008)
      Labor will establish a Department of Homeland Security - never delivered
      “Labor’s policy is that if people are intercepted on the high seas, then the vessel should be turned around” - not one yet
      Labor gutted $1 billion from business incentives including axing the Commercial Ready program, Small Business Field Officer program, New Business Incentive Scheme and the Global Opportunities program

      Respond! Tell us how this adds up to good, honest responsible government Bobw. And please let us know how none of this is responsible for the ALPs very poor showing in the polls.

    • bobw says:

      04:52pm | 06/04/11

      @Dash:  Ah, the list!  The good old generic, unidirectional, spin-free, conclusive list!  I knew the big bazooka would have to come out sooner or later.  Balanced analysis of the finest quality.  Shame it has absolutely no relevance to the preceding discussion.

      Why on earth should I provide a “response” in defence of something I haven’t even asserted?  I repeat:  if you could point out where I have “made excuses for” Labor, I’d be grateful.  Alternatively, feel free to substantiate your absurd suggestion that I believe the ALP has some kind of monopoly on “good government”.  Honestly, you really need to move past this binary “either for us or against us” mentality.

      My point is quite simple:  your claim that Gillard is pushing some kind of extreme pinko agenda is hysterical, and betrays a basic misunderstanding of the ideological spectrum.  I would have thought the specificity of this point would be obvious to someone with your academic qualifications.  Evidently not, because you persist in avoiding it, and instead seem hell-bent on proliferating the issues and generating some kind of silly, generalised ALP v LNP debate - which I have neither provoked nor bought into, and am (sorry to say) not interested in.

      “Respond!”

      Oh alright.  Here goes…

      LOL.

    • Greg says:

      04:56pm | 06/04/11

      @bobw I’m not accusing anyone of Marxist policy. But as I said, real or perceived, the ALPs alliance with Bob Brown and the Greens has hurt them. I do believe the loss of Tanner and Faulkner has tipped the front bench balance. They do look to have moved away from the centre as a result. Now that may be a perception and it may be less of a move than being shown in the media or by people like Dash. But perception is reality and the ALP do need to act on it.

      The May budget is perhaps the next potential minefield for the government.

      I also do think that the talk of compensation schemes has the electorate worried. Particularly middle income Australia. Whilst the detail is not out there, both Gillard and Combet have mentioned help for low income families. That leaves a lot of people who don’t fall into that bracket worried because a lot of them are struggling with increased living expenses. It does leave the ALP open for criticism about punishing one section of the community and rewarding another.

      I’m personally more worried about the idirect effects from inflation from this policy. Interest rates will rise on the back of inflation and that will kill off any compensation scheme the ALP may have planned. The $800 cost being thrown around lately does not factor in this indirect cost. And if the $A falls as the US and Europe recover, there’s suddenly a double whammy on interest rates.

      I agree with you that the climate change debate should be neither here nor there on the left/right issue. However, the ALP has blamed the greens as the reason they “changed their mind” on a carbon tax. Once again, they have been linked directly to Green policy. And I think we would agree that the greens are on the left.

      Also, Gillard’s pre ALP association with the Socialist Forum adds weight to the kind of arguments you hear from people like Dash. It certainly doesn’t help.

      You are right about Abbott’s “Direct Action” plan. In some ways you could argue it’s the more conservative of the two plans and it wins the “no new tax” argument they have been running.

      I’m sure you’re neither red nor a clown. But I would say, that if you take away the emotional rehtoric, some of Dash’s views (rightly or wrongly)are widely held in the community and that has to be of concern for the ALP.

    • Dash says:

      05:37pm | 06/04/11

      bobw -  Gee I’d hate to see how much you read and write about something you’ve bought into and are interested in. Particularly given your contribution to this forum today which by your own admission you have but little care for.

      I don’t generally waste my time on things I have no interest in.

      Pinko agenda?- yes, extreme? - not yet. What was it Gillard was doing whilst a paid up member of the Socialist Forum I wonder?

      Yes I get overly excited at times. Yes that comes through when I’m stressing a point. Happy to concede that may come across as “Hyperbolic Rhetoric” at times. You’ll have to report me to your society I guess. If you go back to my post yesterday, I stand by my assertions that Gillard has taken the ALP backwards, that the primary support has fallen, that the alliance with the greens is hurting the party and that the Carbon tax in it’s current form may well be the end of them.

      And I’m happy for us to agree to disagree. Perhaps that might be one thing we can both agree on?

    • bobw says:

      05:38pm | 06/04/11

      @Greg:  I didn’t mean to suggest that you share Dash’s hallucinatory visions of rampant Bolshevism, or are also into Clown-labelling - sorry if it came across that way.  In fact, I think what you have written is mostly eminently reasonable.  No doubt, the ALP is working against a perception problem - although the extent to which the perception in question is confined to rusted-on LNP voters prepared to see “socialism” or “union influence” behind any ALP decision is difficult to know.

      My gripe is simply with the reflexive association of the ALP/LNP with “left” and “right” respectively, and the related claim that the ALP has radical far-left inclinations (ie, Dash’s claim that Labor is moving “further and further to the left”).  The idea of a sharp ideological distinction between the parties is pretty outmoded, in my view - and both are pretty inhibited when it comes to pushing radical ideas.

      Cheers.

    • bobw says:

      07:18am | 07/04/11

      @Dash:  Well, to be fair, I only claimed not to be interested in a pointlessly open-ended Labor v Liberal slugfest.

      ” ... agree to disagree ... “

      Oh, alright.  You’re cute when you’re mad though, Dashy-Washy wink

    • MarK says:

      01:44pm | 05/04/11

      “Rudd also revealed or confirmed that he had in fact resisted a hardline bid in cabinet to junk the climate change response completely—“You had some folk who wanted to get rid of it altogether, that is kill the ETS as a future proposition for the country. I couldn’t abide that.’‘

      So get the picture? The Visigoths of cabinet wanted to rape and pillage the ETS and if it were not for Kevin they would have had their way. But he was able to send the carbon plan off to the safety of the future before it was completely ravaged.

      Rudd’s acknowledgement of flawed decision making was actually an indictment of those who sat with him in cabinet. His concession took some of the pressure off Julia Gillard, but also left hanging the possibility she rode with the Visigoths.”

      I know you are a warmist and this must hurt but you have underplayed this a mile. Come clean. It is ok. We all know what this does to her credibility on the issue and Labor’s in general.

      This is a telling blow to Gillard. It makes her whole differentiation of Labor as AGW true believers vs the deniers of the right pure bunkum…..oh hell let’s not be coy…..it is now another lie.

      Gillard has lied again about the unity of thought by Labor on this.

      We now know she and/or others wanted to scrap the whole deal.

      She is now out on her own with her announcing of the Carbon Tax with minimal consultation.

      Rudd was very calculating in saying what he said. This makes her look disingenuous and even more desperate. It also must warm the cockles of the contenders hearts in cabinet.

      Sucks to be her right now.

    • L. says:

      01:48pm | 05/04/11

      Among Gillards many, many errors as PM, was keeping Rudd on out of pity.

    • Louisa says:

      02:47pm | 05/04/11

      She didn’t keep him on out of pity - they had a deal

    • GB says:

      02:55pm | 05/04/11

      @L. She had no choice. It wasn’t out of pity. Like everything else she does, it was out of self preservation. Without Captain Earwax on board and towing the party line, they wouldn’t be in office now. She is that beholden to so many different individuals and parties; i.e. Greens, Oakshott, Windsor, Rudd that she doesn’t have a clue which way to turn, and explains her constant backflipping and lying on different issues, as she is serving that many different masters with their own agendas. She is simply shuffling Deck chairs on the Titanic until she gets knifed herself. Watch this space.

    • Bob says:

      04:09pm | 05/04/11

      L: Remember those leaks before the last election?

      Then her sitting down with Rudd to discuss…. Something?

      Then the leaks stopping?

    • Pedantic Pete says:

      04:22pm | 05/04/11

      @ GB - you don’t “tow the line” you “toe the line”

    • Andrew says:

      06:08pm | 05/04/11

      They didn’t want to keep him on - they’re terrified of the by-election that would cause, let alone the tell all book he is just itching to put together.

    • michael j says:

      01:48pm | 05/04/11

      While i couldn’t watch the whole show( run out of valium ) i was surprised to hear from kev such a candid recount of the meeting that never happened between kev ,juliua,and swanie,they talk him out of his love-child (ETS )  while plotting to introduce a Carbon Tax Scheme,i don’t know if there is a difference,,
      but they don’t either,,rather then being’killed’ by faceless union thugs with a 22 inch dramascus dagger,it seems like a harmless game of Texas stud pokier that went horribly wrong,,it is a very sad situation for Australia when the PM
      says we have a policy,but we are not sure what it is ,how it works,or how far you will descend into poverty ,before/if it ever works,,,,,,

    • Merritt says:

      02:00pm | 05/04/11

      great story

    • Elena Butler says:

      02:13pm | 05/04/11

      And to think that these are the same people (i.e. pollies and the various ‘social commentators’ on Q&A) who decry bullying in schools and workplaces.  What a joke!  Kevin clearly learned a thing or two about how to watch his own back/stick the knife in when his enemy’s back is turned during his own school/salad days.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:14pm | 05/04/11

      But he does have the luxury of being able to admit that he was wrong, doesn’t he?

      He’s still a bit of a goob and a prima donna, but he is suited to foreign relations.  I just don’t think he was cut out to be PM (mind you, neither is Julia).  I think he’s in the job now he was meant to be in.

      “When the Labor Party’s at its best, it’s putting the nation first and the party last.”

      Yeah, it hasn’t done that for a very long time…

    • Ryan says:

      04:24pm | 05/04/11

      I agree, things will have to go terribly wrong for me to ever be a Federal ALP voter, but I certainly didn’t like how he handled things as PM, but he must be the finest Foreign Minister in decades (sorry Downer… but yeah, not even close)
      He is sticking it back without anyone officially saying he is being malicious or dastardly like the way he was stabbed in the back.  Got to give him credit there, didn’t just go the obvious revenge smear campain route the way creatures like Mark Latham, Paul Keating etc. have done

    • Gerard says:

      05:25pm | 05/04/11

      Rudd won’t be in the job he was meant to be in unless he’s flipping burgers at McDonald’s. Until then he’s an unacceptable liability to the country.

    • John C says:

      02:19pm | 05/04/11

      I am more of a Rudd hater than a Rudd lover but he was mighty impressive on Q and A last night. He came across as humane, modest, knowledgeable and reasonable. By comparison, Gillard, Abbott, Swan and others look second rate.

      Has he fooled me?

    • JohnT says:

      03:23pm | 05/04/11

      He is a great showman, beware of falling for his charms.

    • Gerard says:

      05:34pm | 05/04/11

      Yes John, he’s fooled you. He’s a politician; deceiving large numbers of gullible people is what he’s been trained to do. A lot of other people fell for it back in 2007 as well, the difference is that many of them have now learnt from their error. Obviously you haven’t.

    • sam says:

      02:22pm | 05/04/11

      so there are far right elements in the a.l.p?

      Why does that surprise people…just is there are people in there with views like scott morrison…!!!

      meritocracy was kevins ambition and not plutocracy.

    • Gerard says:

      05:42pm | 05/04/11

      You can’t seriously expect people to believe that meritocracy was Rudd’s ambition. That would have required his immediate resignation as prime minister.

    • Ryan says:

      02:23pm | 05/04/11

      Bring back Kevin, we love him!

    • brett t. ritson says:

      02:28pm | 05/04/11

      Oh Mal.
      Written with such abiding sympathy and admiration. What kind of person breaches Cabinet In Confidence? What an abject disgrace of a man just to try and reinvent and excuse himself, and take responsibility as the Prime Minister at the time.
      Krudd is a fraud, a plastic clown who changes his persona to suit his audience, and although I loathed PJK’s social multicultural crap, I still yearn for his acid tongue, his wit, his charm, policy conviction and grunt, his strength, and brutal power to create real economic reform as a politician. Of these qualities Krudd and his out of her depth replacement have none of these. The sooner an election is called the sooner we mainstream Australian voters can landslide this mob out.
      Oh yes, ‘another’ broken election promise announced today by our multicultural loving Immigration Minister Bowen, ‘another’ detention centre to be opened in Tassie. Brilliant mob this sham minority Government.

    • peter warrington says:

      03:46pm | 05/04/11

      Sarah Island re-opening?

    • Bob says:

      04:12pm | 05/04/11

      >>What kind of person breaches Cabinet In Confidence?<< The sort of person that the Labor party would choose as their leader? Kind of like Latham.

    • Vivian "" says:

      02:28pm | 05/04/11

      If the oppsostion is so concerned about Rudd pulling out pf his ETS scheme, the why did the opposition vote it down TWICE in the senate?
      Ceap Liberal politics, that is all this is about.

    • CD says:

      02:47pm | 05/04/11

      Popcorn ready.

      Comfy seat.

      Kev the Comeback v The Red Pretender

      Round 1 - Kev

      Round

      Yeehah! Bring it on!

    • fairsfair says:

      03:28pm | 05/04/11

      Is Swanny the cardgirl?

      Sorry, I need to bleach my own eyes after that comment.

    • Michael says:

      04:48pm | 05/04/11

      effing oath swanny in a mankini, as round girl.

    • Jedi_T says:

      05:00pm | 05/04/11

      LMAO post of the day to fairsfair.

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      06:02pm | 05/04/11

      Where do I sign up for the Bleach Compensation Scheme?

    • I'd like to see that says:

      06:02pm | 05/04/11

      fairsfair
      You could be the cardgirl if you could squeeze into those size 10’s in the back of the wardrobe.

    • Puff the Magic Dragon says:

      02:57pm | 05/04/11

      A few points that Kevin Rudd made that got a bit lost with the ETS issue was his statement regarding the infighting with the “factions” and also the fact that MPs should not be discouraged or threatened to speak up. Even though when he was the PM he wasnt a “speak your mind” advocate, but I do think he was referring to the muzzling of the Labor MPs. Dont forget they have a script to read from when they get questions regarding the Carbon Tax.

    • james milton says:

      03:00pm | 05/04/11

      Get the popcorn ready. Labor is falling apart at the seams and even alcotrel, persephonie and chongy can’t defend them.

      A top NBN official just quit, so that $40-$80 billion white elephant is coming home to roost before it’s even been let out in the field.

      Labor is finished, there is nothing they can do to save themselves.

    • bobw says:

      04:50pm | 05/04/11

      Elephants don’t roost, in the usual scheme of things.

      What is the fact that “a top NBN official just quit” supposed to prove?

    • John Dunne says:

      06:07pm | 05/04/11

      Got fired is more like it.
      Contractors came in too high and quotes were cancelled. I suspect there was a rort in the works that was detected.
      Good work by Labor.

    • Glen says:

      08:25pm | 05/04/11

      The fact a government can’t cost a job accurately doesn’t mean a whole bunch of large, reputable companies (competing with each other to deliver billions of dollars in works) are rorting the system.  They all operate on very skinny margins and would knife each other to get this kind of work.

    • John Dunne says:

      12:58pm | 06/04/11

      Since the quotes were rejected, it appears the government had an idea of how much it would cost. The quotes were excessive. Understand?
      Failed logic by you Glen

    • Gordo says:

      02:58pm | 07/04/11

      John Dunne,
      16 Companies quote and 16 Companies are too high.
      Seems like undercosting by the Government to me.
      Logic tells me that John.

    • CHRISTIAN! says:

      03:25pm | 05/04/11

      Bring back Krudd at leastt he seemed a genuine Christian!  and after all he Kruud is far better than Gillard who adopts so many postures we are blinded by her shifty moves! Ms Gillard is all talk ! So has she denounced Emilys list that she wrote the consitution for, or has she wound back the rainbow groups in the ALP?
      Now if Gillard was genuine about her family values she would do so! Ms Gillard may think she can get up and spout to the Christian leaders but the voters are watching her!  Gillards track record of late is so appalling and it means that she has zilch credibility!  Gillard does more back pedalling than say Lance Armstrong on the Tour de France! She told Kevin Rudd to dump the ETS then she wants a carbon tax then Gillard is suddeny a social conservative! So whats next chamelon Gillard ? Your Tour de Charades fools no one and the latest Newspoll out today clearly shows that many voters see right through you! So Gillard we are not convinced at all your pretences at Road to Damascus conversions to a conservative Christian agenda ! Why werent you a practising Christian years ago? See Gillard just wants to hold onto power so she is trying to woo the Christian vote!

    • bobw says:

      03:59pm | 05/04/11

      Lance usually pedals forwards…

    • Maty says:

      09:32pm | 05/04/11

      Who really gives a stuff about Christians? This is about politics!

    • Tim says:

      03:32pm | 05/04/11

      What was the topic for last night’s Q&A - before Kevin 07 took over the show and Tony Jones saw a Gold Walkley beckoning?

      (and I wonder if Wikileaks will publish the American bloke’s report back to headquarters in time to come - would make fascinating reading)

    • timmie says:

      06:05pm | 05/04/11

      Q and A doesn’t have a topic.
      You are thinking of Insight.

    • hermes says:

      03:33pm | 05/04/11

      Stick the knife in to the nasty, incompetant Machiavellina backstabbers Kevin! I’ll vote for you again (well, only if my preferred PM remains as Communications Spokesman).

    • kev from narooma says:

      03:56pm | 05/04/11

      I turned it off half way through. We just need another election to sort out the future of this country. Right now we’re going downhill with a bunch of ferals who are driving their own agenda. It’s a recipe for disaster and boy are we going to pay.

    • PTom says:

      04:57pm | 05/04/11

      How many more election is it going to take to show people want action on Climate Change. Every party that has lack courage to go foward on this topic has been punished Liberal 200,2010 and Labor 2010.

      There has been three Anti-Climate Change/Tax rallies had a total of about 5000 to the two Pro-Climate Change/Tax rally had over 8500.

    • Markster says:

      09:02pm | 05/04/11

      @PT Tom you can’t count! Since only 1 of the anti tax rallies was estimated at some 5,000-8,000 depending on who you listen to. There are also 2 important aspects you have missed. Climate supporters are usually the younger set and leftists who are more prone to mobilisation with Get Up urging them. The silent majority are on display in the anti carbon tax rallies.  That usually means much much more support as they tend not to rally due to work and family commitments, or show their support on the streets but rather at the ballot box.

      I am still waiting for someone to tell me how a 5% reduction in emissions will alter the climate and by how much???  I will then weigh up action vs result!

    • Rob says:

      04:12pm | 05/04/11

      the problem is we have a GG without the balls (not literally) to dissolve this parliment and call another election…
      cl;early the govenrment cannot work in this NEW PARADIME….there is no confidence in the market place from consumers and business with this government in place…..

    • Pedantic Pete says:

      04:28pm | 05/04/11

      But Rob you are correct - literally she has no balls. What you are suggesting is she none figuratively.

    • Tom says:

      04:29pm | 05/04/11

      The real election would have been between Rudd and Turnbull,instead we got a Clayton’s election and as a result we have a Clayton’s Parliament. Now we have a number of bitter politicians on both sides sulking and venting. Time to call an election again with the 2 original contenders. In other words more backstabbings are required.

    • Michael says:

      04:42pm | 05/04/11

      Nonsense Tom, Turnbull is a good man, but he’s Labor, always wanted to be Lbaor, simple as that…too conservative for Labor and not enough mongrel. Just the way it is.

    • Big Stu says:

      04:32pm | 05/04/11

      I didn’t see Q & A but from what I have read from these comments KRudd must be as dumb as a box of hammers. This Carbon Tax come ETS is not too popular with the voters(see poison) and it sounds like if he gets to be leader of the ALP again he will charge on with it. Not a good move from a so called intelligent man. If he said he would scrap the hole farce completely, and actually meant it(unlike someone else I know who shall remain nameless) he would probably romp it in. But then he would have to ‘DEAL’ with the peolpe that saw him off as P.M. Another thing he would have to do to get back is give the Greens the arse and stand upright for the policies he wants. What a sorry state of affairs the entire thing has become. I can hear the knives being sharpened in Canberra as I type this. But it is interesting to watch pollies feeding on each others near dead carcuses.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:45pm | 05/04/11

      Jesus you Murdoch hacks write a load of old bollocks.

      The story of the shelving of the ETS was written in great detail by Lenore Taylor and David Uren in Shitstorm.

      Why don’t you read it before writing this sort of mindless drivel.

      We know who the wreckers were and are.

      What is the point of pretending Rudd said something new.

      Of course he was dead wrong about Afghanistan improving but then he had to say that because we are trying to force a few dozen refugees onto a plane so we can be rid of them.

      Ruddock did that in 2003 and many of them were slaughtered and since then things have become worse.

      if you want to analyse why not analyse something worthwhile.

      It wouldn’t be so bad, but the PG all say absolutely the same damn thing without variation.

    • Peter Simmons says:

      05:39pm | 05/04/11

      Funny Marilyn.  Lenore Taylor was on Sky Agenda this afternoon and she denied everything you said.
      Lenore is a Gillard and Carbon Tax supporter and obviously follows the Liar Handbook.

    • Billy B says:

      05:44pm | 05/04/11

      Marilyn Shepherd - Stick a sock in it!

    • Dave Mac says:

      05:51pm | 05/04/11

      It really is a shame they shut all the asylums and let all the Marilyns out into the community without proper supervision

    • Mouse says:

      10:04pm | 05/04/11

      Are you saying that Rudd wants an ETS in Afghanistan? Gee Marilyn, you have really confused me now!

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:36am | 06/04/11

      Lenore Taylor did no such thing, she wrote a column in the Herald stating clearly that we know who the wreckers were and it is in her book.

      Unlike everyone else here I have read the book and have it on my bookshelf for future reference.

      Gillard and Swan wanted delays, Arbib wanted it scrapped along with a few other right wingers and Tanner and Wong wanted it to go ahead as did Rudd.

      It’s all there.

    • Tom says:

      06:18pm | 06/04/11

      @Mazza, “We know who the wreckers were and are.”
      The ALP is Jonestown Guyana, Rudd was Jim Jones and the ETS was the lime cordial (Flavor Aid).
      Sometimes you have to wreck something that is stupid, destructive and half arsed such as the ETS. All power to those wreckers.

    • Jimbo says:

      10:18pm | 07/04/11

      Haha, Murdoch hacks, so true. Good onya Marilyn

    • ross says:

      04:47pm | 05/04/11

      remember gillard is 10% ahead of rabbit in the pref.PM stakes, get rid of both and bringback 2 best leaders in Aus. Kevin & Malcolm. Can you believe these MORONS who switched OFF QA????????

    • Brian Taylor says:

      05:53pm | 05/04/11

      why bring back tow deadset losers? they are has beens both of them, they both had their chances and blew it

    • Molly Daveson says:

      12:02am | 06/04/11

      Malcolm would never be a leader. He is a banker of the Goldman Sacks breed, and they support the cap and trade scheme which is estimated to bring trillions into their pockets. Tony Abbott needs to get the intestinal fortitude to boot him out and let the voters select someone else.

    • DJ says:

      04:52pm | 05/04/11

      Well well well, Farr finally writes an article detrimental to the ALP. This morning he writes an (almost) complimentary article re Tony Abbott. Has he seen the light and discovered that this bunch of disfunctional fools masquerading as a government are destroying this country’s future or is he having a bet each way ?

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      05:23pm | 05/04/11

      Not everything, especially politics is black and white…  or in politics case blue and red.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:24pm | 05/04/11

      Kevin Rudd has no guts and is Howard Lite. Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Abbott were or are all crap leaders. Afraid to tackle the hard decisions, just bribe the voters at election time as usual.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:38am | 06/04/11

      Yes indeed.  Gutless racist little cowards the lot of them.

      Why is there no leader in the country with morals or a belief in the law.

    • Bill Koutalianos says:

      05:29pm | 05/04/11

      What Kevin Rudd was trying to do last night, was rewrite history. He referred to the failure at Copenhagen as one of the reasons for dropping the ETS, but he would prefer we all forget about the unmentionable “climategate” scandal, the ensuing Phil Jones admissions, the “glaciergate” scandal and the IPCC stream of scandals through early 2010. Surely these factors played a role in the cabinet room deliberations.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:40am | 06/04/11

      There was no climategate, they were cleared by three separate investigations.

      Why is it that people babble without keeping up.

    • Bill Koutalianos says:

      04:39pm | 06/04/11

      Hi Marilyn, I believe they were cleared 4 times, except we don’t know exactly what they were cleared of. The “science” was excluded from some of those investigations, so maybe they were just checking on the scientist’s time sheets. “Climategate” certainly inspired Phil Jones to make a few admissions such as the possibility that the Medieval warming period had been warmer than today. That leaves open the possibility that Michael Mann’s “hockey stick” graph (the graph that caused all the alarm) is as manipulated as the “climategate” emails suggest. Books have been written on both the “hockey stick ” and “climategate”, perhaps you haven’t managed to keep up. Do you recall Phil Jones’s “no statistically significant warming since 1995” admission? Don’t you trust IPCC lead authors?

    • Ray says:

      05:35pm | 05/04/11

      It was political of Kevin Rudd to apologise for his Prime-ministerial decision to suspend the ETS until mid-2012.

      History will show that he should not have apologised, as it was arguably the best decision he made as PM.

      It is misleading of the current Govt to claim that climate science is settled, and that Australia must act now to implement a carbon tax. In fact, there is no scientific evidence that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions have caused measurable global warming.

      It is misleading of the Govt to claim that a carbon tax would encourage efficient renewable energy development. In fact, it is dysfunctional of the Govt to promote the replacement of low-cost efficient coal-fired electricity with high-cost inefficient renewable energy, namely, wind energy that is five times dearer and solar energy that is at least ten times dearer than coal-derived electricity. Although the carbon tax would assist renewable energy generators , it would reduce the productivity of all other industries by raising their costs substantially.

      Australia would lose its comparative manufacturing advantage by acting before the major economies of China, India and the USA. Furthermore, the European Union’s ETS schemes are not as severe on industry as those proposed for Australia.

    • PTom says:

      06:11pm | 05/04/11

      “there is no scientific evidence that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions have caused measurable global warming” Talk about beating a dead horse there is evidence none you likely to hear .

      “It is dysfunctional of the Govt to promote” I thought that was function of Govt to promote required change.

      Why is coal-fired low cost?  The simple they don’t pay for their pollution.
      What makes you think renewable are inefficient is it because the sun does not shine 24 hours a day. Get over the mine set that renewable need to be one big plant we can could many smaller best suited renewable energy sources.

      Carbon tax would reduce the productivity of all other industries by raising their costs substantially? what economic rubbish.
      If a ETS is done correctly and not what the Liberals put out, as Farmers and Natural resevre owners would benefit. Timber plantion may have to pay when cutting down trees but would benefit from growing them.
      Company that move to renewable energy source will have a cost advantage over their competition.

      What comparative manufacturing advantage? We are specialized manufacturing not mass-manufacturing we would still have that.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      05:47pm | 05/04/11

      I love Q & A as its on the Glorious ABC.

      I’m sure most of the News Ltd Right Wing Populists could not even spell ABC.

      ABC is a fabulous institution ! So is Fairfax Media !

      Have a Nice Day

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      05:47pm | 05/04/11

      I love Q & A as its on the Glorious ABC.

      I’m sure most of the News Ltd Right Wing Populists could not even spell ABC.

      ABC is a fabulous institution ! So is Fairfax Media !

      Have a Nice Day

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      07:25pm | 05/04/11

      I am an ABC supporter (Anyone But Collingwood).....

    • Peter Simmons says:

      07:56pm | 05/04/11

      The Earth is Flat too,  Drew.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      06:32pm | 05/04/11

      Rudd is Mark Latham MK II

    • ;o) says:

      07:20pm | 05/04/11

      Both sides of politics need to reform and listen to the public. Rudd and the current labour party are clearly the wrong government for Australia. What ever happened to serving for the greater community, all I see now right across politics is a race of who can snort the longest and strongest, for one purpose only (that lifetime golden pension).

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:37pm | 05/04/11

      There is a famous old saying, ‘Revenge is a dish best served cold!’

    • Karen from Qld says:

      07:57pm | 05/04/11

      It is rather interesting watching the Labor Party self destruct and the voting pulblic waking up that a protest vote to the Greens in not worth the paper is it written on.

    • jf says:

      10:17pm | 05/04/11

      “When the Labor Party’s at its best, it’s putting the nation first and the party last. The Labor Party at its best is putting its members factional thugsters first.”

      Labor members equals party equals factional thugsters.

      Clever politics. Shameful politician.

    • killerbee says:

      03:11am | 06/04/11

      I am a strong supporter of The Westminster form of Government which requires cabinet solidarity. Cabinet has to be able to meet in confidence and have differing opinions aired and when a decision is made the entire cabinet publicly supports it.
      Compare the way Penny Wong spoke on Q&A after PM Gillard had announced the ALP would continue the ban on gay marriage. Ms Wong, a self professed lesbian, spoke in favour of the government decision despite her own beliefs because of the need for cabinet solidarity. When she was reminded about her stated personal views by a member of the audience, Graham Richardson cut in and explained cabinet solidarity.
      Compare this with the way K Rudd behaved on Q&A and you can only conclude that Rudd had an other agenda as he too was bound by cabinet solidarity but chose to settle a few old scores instead.
      A disgraceful exhibition by an embarrassment to both sides of Australian politics.

    • jo says:

      05:18am | 06/04/11

      It all comes out in the wash, julia gillard said its history, she would prefer it buried forever, but most australian know at least half of the way she ruthlessly backstabbed an elected government.

      Also I was surprised kevin rudd revealed as much as he did, I thought before hand he would have been scripted by the Labour thugs. I guess he was waiting for the right moment, most people that bag kevin rudd dont have half the brains he has, 

      I have always believed Kevin Rudd was a decent and trustworhy person, I have been right all along, A fact that is lost on most kevin rudd bashers, is that Labours problems all happened after kevin rudd got sacked, and lots of people didnt vote Labor because of his sacking and I was one of them

      Bring Kevin Rudd back, lets get rid of the labour thugs, and Julia Gillard, I am sick of hearing about timor, they said NO.  Also sick to death of seeing this women julia gillard, with her lies her deceit, her spin her lack of common sense, shes the kind of person that will backstabb anyone to hang on to power, now she has turned on the greens. hope she gets what is comming to her,

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      10:09am | 06/04/11

      Jo you must be suffering memory fade, Rudd has been a back stabbing b@stard all his life, so for it to happen to him is KARMA, remember the staff that he abused the “little people” that he abused & made cry, not to mention, whilst a married man in an important & sensitive job got blind drunk & disoriented in a sleazy strip club/pick-up joint? ? ? Surely not the sort of person that we want running Oz? ?

    • asproella says:

      07:07am | 06/04/11

      People have to realise this is a government in crises,it cannot run the country,the compensation will not be permanent,what will people do when the compensation stops and they are left with high living costs they have to pay themselves,this tax is toxic to this country.WHY WON’T THE MEDIA TELL THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS TEMPORARY COMPENSATION?and as for Rudd he is a big joke,running around the country like the king of the world and GIILARD the prime minister of this country has no control over him ..discusting .

    • grumpy old man says:

      07:48am | 06/04/11

      I don’t think I could vote for him, but I do admire his style! He’s apparently going to settle a few scores because he know’s that he is fireproof at the moment.

    • Wallaby says:

      08:27am | 06/04/11

      Rudd’s smiling silence while Julie Bishop got stuck into Gillard said it all for me.

      By the way, where’s pers and chongy?

    • TimB says:

      09:03am | 06/04/11

      Chongy is around. But he’s backpedalling away from Labor as fast as he can go these days. (“I don’t vote Labor”, *chortle*)

      Perse to her credit is sticking to her guns, but is currently taking time off to revise her talking points. See, she’s been pushing the line that it was *always* Julia’s intentions to push for an ETS/Carbon price/tax. But the latest revelations that Julia advised to Kevin to kill the ETS blow Perse’s arguments right out of the sky.

      I for one can’t wait to see what kind of transparent spin she comes up with next.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      10:10am | 06/04/11

      Rudd’s a NO BALLS coward, They bluffed his full house with a pair of jokers,  If I were in his shoes I would have threatened to run as an Independant and show my hand , he should have told them all to shove it, but instead took the crumbs offered to him by the Machine and Gillard otherwise he’d be grounded without position,  perks and frequent flyer points to wich he is addicted., It’st too late Kevin,,! to redeem your pride and Manhood, Gillard’s got that in her pocket.

    • Tom says:

      01:46pm | 06/04/11

      Anyone fancy a by-election?

      Rudd was standing at 58.5%. However, after the NSW result and the “they done our Kevin in” factor, it could be a close shave.

    • Billy B says:

      12:18pm | 06/04/11

      Marilyn Shepherd - You ought to talk about babble!  You don’t always get it right and have been told by more than one on the Punch.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      01:17pm | 06/04/11

      Strange that the media and its bloggers seem to make more of what a panelist on a slightly ludicrous talk show says rather than what ministers say in the press interviews and press releases.
      Did anyone actually hear or listen to what he said about the media reporting less than 10% of what politicians say.
      He confirmed the 90second TV grab and the opinionated bylined opinion pieces.
      We need more actual information rather than interpretive opinions by media annalists - cum - politician interpreting self aggrandising pundits .

    • The Onlooker says:

      02:54pm | 06/04/11

      Please help someone who has just arrived in this beautiful country. Well, not ‘just’ arrived, but relatively so. This is how I see it.  All Coalition supporters condemn all of the actions of all Labor politicians, and all Labor supporters likewise with all Opposition politicians. Now that is very childish behaviour, and not worthy of further comment. It can all be discounted as ignorant waffle from each and every poster.
      The Labor mob are accused of having Bob Brown as their real leader because they can’t do anything without his okay. But isn’t that the case with the Libs and the Nats. So is the Nat leader, (who is that?), actually the de facto Leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister in fact should the Libs get elected?  Oh, it’s all so confusing.
      Apparently the present P.M. is not fit in the eyes of some because she is not a mother. But neither is Abbott. Or is that a silly thing to say? (I knew you’d say that, but what about something constructive.)
      I can’t honestly say that I’ve read one comment that has put the nation first, and petty name-calling and juvenile “my Dad’s smarter than your Dad” second. Or last. And in a country that talks about “fair go”, that makes no sense at all.  When Donald Horne called this the ‘lucky country’ he was referring to its enormous potential. What a shame it is that the only people not to realise that are Australians. But, good luck anyway.

 

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