Julia Gillard has staked the future of her government on winning the political battle over a carbon tax.

Cartoon by The Australian's Jon Kudelka

She claims to be standing on principle, strong in the belief that “carbon pollution is a threat to our country and our future”. And she accuses Tony Abbott of being opportunistic and irresponsible in opposing her two-step proposal for an emissions trading system.

It is strange to recall that just 10 months ago Gillard was demanding that then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd shelve plans for an ETS.

So strident was she on the issue that Rudd, according to a source close to him at the time, worried that she might actually “leave the show”.

Rudd gave in to the pressure from Gillard, Treasurer Wayne Swan, and factional heavies freaked out by focus group findings—and effectively destroyed his prime ministership in the process.   

It is Gillard’s role back then, as much as the broken election promise Abbott points to now, that creates a massive credibility problem for the PM as she seeks to adopt the new persona of climate change warrior.

Trust matters in politics. It matters particularly when you are trying to sell something as complex and contentious as a carbon pricing plan.

Voters will be harder to convince that Gillard has a principled commitment on climate change because of her record as a cut-and-run advocate just a short time ago.

And that pledge she made before the election was about as clear-cut as they come. “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.”

Voters see clips of it on the TV news, and then hear the PM trying to dismiss the broken promise allegation as nothing more than “semantics” and “word games”.

It undermines her credibility even further.

The truth is that Gillard made the promise—and repeated it—in a desperate bid to get over the line in the election. It was a cynical con.

All that being said, however, Gillard—the leader accused so often of standing for nothing—now has something to fight for. A cause.

Taking on the fight for the GST gave John Howard a sense of purpose at a time when his government was drifting. Labor hopes the carbon tax will do the same for Gillard.       

Announcement of the decision to impose a carbon tax from the middle of next year saw punters putting more money on Abbott to win the next election.

But Gillard was looking and sounding more confident than at any time since she knifed Rudd and took his job last June.

It was Gillard, not her media advisers, who decided she should face two of the country’s toughest talkback hosts—Alan Jones in Sydney and Neil Mitchell in Melbourne—yesterday morning.

She acquitted herself well, particularly in the toe-to-toe with Jones who increasingly acts as the Liberal Party’s Godfather.

Suddenly Gillard looks like a leader with a plan and she’s firing on all cylinders. Her performance in parliament after Thursday’s announcement was devastatingly effective.

But then, so was Abbott’s. He, too, had one of his best days in the chamber as he lashed Gillard over the broken promise and reactivated the scare campaign that so panicked the government a year ago.

The Liberal leaks and divisions that had dominated politics for a fortnight were forgotten. The troops rallied around Abbot enthusiastically.

Rudd failed to carry the fight to the coalition on climate change, letting the “big new tax” argument take hold.

Gillard is not going to make that mistake. When it is all over, no matter who wins, Abbott the bruiser will know he has been in a brawl.

Part of the Gillard strategy is to try to deal with the “trust” problem by being open about the consequences of her plan.

“We are not hiding behind spin,” is the Labor message.

The opposition, expecting her to argue that a carbon price is not really a tax, were surprised when she conceded from the start that it would operate for the first three to five years “effectively like a tax”.

And, instead of denying cost-of-living effects, Gillard told parliament: “Pricing carbon will have price impacts and I want to be very upfront about that with the Australian people.   

“Indeed, the reason you price carbon is to have price impacts, so that high-pollution commodities cost more and low-pollution commodities cost less.”

The NSW Labor Government, already facing an election wipe-out next month so bad that it should make the The Guinness Book Of Records, would not have been pleased to hear that—especially since utility bills are a major campaign issue.

One of Gillard’s key aims, of course, is to win back voters lost to the Greens. 

But Greens leader Bob Brown looked powerful and commanding—one might even say prime ministerial—when he marched out beside Gillard to make the announcement.

And Brown’s deputy, Christine Milne, boasted: “It’s happening because we have shared power in Australia.”

If that is the way the electorate sees it, Gillard runs the risk of bolstering the Greens’ vote rather than restoring Labor’s.

The theory, though, is that she needs to notch up some major achievements to restore the government’s standing with voters.

Getting a carbon tax on the books would be the biggie —  especially if it’s in time to show that Abbott’s threats about the sky falling in are hollow.

Laurie Oakes is Channel 9’s political editor and writes a regular column for the Herald Sun.

More Kudelka cartoons at www.kudelka.com.au

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    • Erick says:

      05:53am | 26/02/11

      How ironic it is that Carbon Tax supporters are accusing Abbott of running a scare campaign.

      After all, it’s Labor and The Greens who are literally claiming that failing to impose this new tax will mean The End Of The World As We Know It. Isn’t that the biggest scare campaign of all?

      Yet somehow these prophets of eco-doom manage to paint the other side as fearmongers. Go figure.

    • TChong says:

      07:02am | 26/02/11

      Ecks, The Greens fear campaign is the mirror of capitalists claiming the world will end if anything is done to try to address the concerns about the enviroment.
      Both sides make ambit claims, and both sides selectively pick data / research and anecdotes to further their cause.

    • Erick says:

      07:12am | 26/02/11

      @ RrC: “That’s right erick”

      Of course it’s right. Nobody can seriously deny that predicting an environmental apocalypse if your legislation doesn’t pass, is fear-mongering.

      That’s why you tried to change the subject. But you can’t change the facts: Gillard and her Green bosses are running the biggest scare campaign in history.

    • CL Angus says:

      07:37am | 26/02/11

      Well, there’s a large amount of evidence backing up the claim that the world will face some severe consequences if something doesn’t get done, so it’s not a completely baseless ‘scare campaign’.

      Lying about it during the election was a terrible move, but regardless there should be attempts to reduce carbon emissions in Australia, even if we only create a small amount of it. We have the highest emissions per capita and we’re already quite far behind with mitigation efforts compared to other nations, so it’s time we catch up. In fact, it would be hypocritical for us to carry on as usual while demanding China and India reduce their output - why would they want to return to a feudal existence while we can’t be bothered doing anything to solve the problem?

    • jf says:

      07:56am | 26/02/11

      “If you dont like it move to some other country and whinge about it. “

      I’ll bet you have an “if you don’t love it, leave” sticker just about the CFMEU’s favourite, “f#ck off we’re full” sticker on your back wind shield.

    • jf says:

      08:01am | 26/02/11

      “the mirror of capitalists claiming the world will end if anything is done to try to address the concerns about the enviroment.”

      Do you mean capitalists like RIO, BHP, McDonalds, Microsoft, Macquarie Bank etc… etc… that have voluntary environmental policies as opposed to those “environmentalists"who rant and rave about the environment and quietly enjoy the very consumption that they complain is ruining the world?

      The very same “environmentalists” who are happy for something to be done about the state of the planet as long as someone else pays, as long as their airfares don’t increase (I note that almost none of them pay the voluntary carbon offset levy) and as long as their activism is public and applauded.

    • AdamC says:

      08:21am | 26/02/11

      Rob r Charteris, one thing I admire about you lefties is your ability to stick by a leader in spite of the most egregious outrages. Time after time, whether it be Stalin, Mao or Gillard, no matter how high the bodies (or broken promises) pile up, there will be the reliably zealous cult of personality to defend them.

      Actually, admire might be the wrong word.

    • PaulB says:

      08:22am | 26/02/11

      Gillard and her fellow conspirators have hitched a ride on the UN’s biggest scare campaign in history.  There must be great rewards on offer for those people working to corrall us all into the new global taxation scheme being introduced under the guise of “Climate Change”.

      And Rob, I guess lying through your teeth is forgiveable as long as it comes from those you like.  I’m glad for you that your partisan views make honesty seem redundant for you.  Nice one.

    • Leigh says:

      08:26am | 26/02/11

      Angus, there is NO evidence.  Let me repeat that for you, there is NO evidence.
      What there is, is computer modelling that does not even work when they apply it to historical records of temperature.
      And don’t give me the rubbish about 97% of scientists agree, bollocks, here you go http://www.petitionproject.org/

      Rob Charteris. “they were always going to” there you go people, if that is not the greatest example of a Labor stooge not caring about democracy, and promising anything to stay in power I don’t know what is.
      Looking forward to Liberal getting back in Rob, and at your first compaint reminding you of the pack your bags comment.  I’ll even chip in for your plane ticket…..one way of course.

    • Rosie says:

      08:33am | 26/02/11

      I totally agree Erick and thank you for being the first person to post.

      Laurie’s article was good until the last paragraph. I am dumbfounded as to how they could accuse Tony Abbott running a scare campaign after proof that PM Gillard lied to the people she represents. Her dishonesty should be what the people she represents be fearful of, not what comes out of the Opposition’s mouth whose job it is to make the Gillard Govt accountable for all their misdeeds!

      One needs to be 18 years old, big and ugly enough to allow this so called “fear” instilled into them if they so desire. We don’t need to be told whether we should be fearful everytime Tony Abbott opens his mouth especially when it comes from the Govt and the media! Please give us some credit.

      This one is a “biggie” for Tony Abbott, it is simple no explanation needed. It is plain, simple and very much to the point and no explaning from Gillard and the Laborites will get them out of the hole that their leader has dug for them. The word “Liar” comes to mind when the Gillard name is mentioned, not “carbon tax”

      She dug the hole deeper when she decided to be interviewed by Allan Jones and Neil Mitchell. Yes she was good, feisty, bold, determined, gave back as good what she got as if it was her last throw at the dice but it didn’t wash away the fact she is now a Lying Prime Minister who cheated to gain power and remain in power.

      PS I have never once in my life received a petition to do with Federal politics until yesterday. I received one against the carbon tax which I signed in a heart beat and emailed it out to everyone in my address book.

    • Warren says:

      08:47am | 26/02/11

      @Erick - “Gillard and her Green bosses are running the biggest scare campaign in history.” And you wonder why people laugh and belittle your opinions Erick.

    • GCDude says:

      08:53am | 26/02/11

      @ Rob r Charteris
      Well Rob, I for one will be leaving this country. Hope you have a good job mate because somebody has to pay for it. Your obviously part of the coalition of the gullible stupid enough to believe all this eco-end-of-world bullshit just to get another hard earned dollar from our back pockets to pay for the waste and mismanagement of this Govt.

    • Erick says:

      09:16am | 26/02/11

      TChong, the difference is that some of the Greens are literally saying the world will end. As in, floods, droughts, earthquakes, plagues and famine will kill us all.

      No matter how you spin it, the opponents of the tax aren’t claiming that everyone will die if it gets passed.

      So it’s a bit rich for the Greens to be calling Abbott a fearmonger, given their own pronouncements.

    • Rosie says:

      09:42am | 26/02/11

      I totally agree Erick and congratulations for posting before Chongy & Co!

      Laurie’s article was good until the last paragraph. I am dumbfounded as to how they could accuse Tony Abbott running a scare campaign after proof that PM Gillard lied to the people she represents. Her dishonesty should be what the people she represents be fearful of, not what comes out of the Opposition’s mouth whose job it is to make the Gillard Govt accountable for all their misdeeds!

      One needs to be 18 years old, big and ugly enough to allow this so called “fear” instilled into them if they so desire. We don’t need to be told whether we should be fearful everytime Tony Abbott opens his mouth especially when it comes from the Govt and the media! Please give us some credit.

      This one is a “biggie” for Tony Abbott, it is simple no explanation needed. It is plain, simple and very much to the point and no explaning from Gillard and the Laborites will get them out of the hole that their leader has dug for them. The word “Liar” comes to mind when the Gillard name is mentioned, not “carbon tax”

      She dug the hole deeper when she decided to be interviewed by Allan Jones and Neil Mitchell. Yes she was good, feisty, bold, determined, gave back good as what she got as if it was her last throw at the dice but it didn’t wash away the fact she is now a Lying Prime Minister who cheated to gain power and remain in power.

    • Matt says:

      11:34am | 26/02/11

      One is based on rational scientific evidence, the other is irrational spin. It’s just unfortunate that so many people like yourself can’t tell the difference.

    • Rosie says:

      11:43am | 26/02/11

      @ Denny Crane

      Yep Laurie, Gillard was known for wanting to “leave the show” only for the ultimate job which she succeeded by knifing her leader for it and then cheating to keep it!

      Laurie you should be ashamed because you have not highlighted this very fact in your article; “you don’t lie to stand for something” if it is what you believe in. It is not a good lesson that we can pass on to the children, who is our future.

      Gadaffi lied to get into power and now lying to remain in power. Gillard is no different cheated to get into power and now lying to remain in power. This is the reason why I agree with Tony Abbott, give back to the people what is theirs, the choice of electing a party that stands for something, a party that believes it will do for the people what they deserve, a party that has credibility, a party that will deliver what was promised to them during the election campaign and above don’t lie.

      Labor will have the chance to begin again without a lying cheating leader!

    • Jim says:

      05:52pm | 26/02/11

      @Chongy, “Ecks, The Greens fear campaign is the mirror of capitalists claiming the world will end if anything is done to try to address the concerns about the enviroment.
      Both sides make ambit claims, and both sides selectively pick data / research and anecdotes to further their cause. “

      Don’t you yet realise that the biggest, greediest, nastiest capitalists in this world WANT you to trade in carbon? They want it to happen, they are supporting it. They are funding the research themselves, so that carbon trading is introduced under the guise of saving the world. It’s the biggest con in the history of mankind.

      These ultra-capitalists stand to reap not billions, but trillions of dollars from it all.

      Sorry, but your definition of capitalists seems to include the small to medium business owners who will drown under this tax.

    • james milton says:

      06:33pm | 26/02/11

      @AdamC: Beautifully said. No matter what Gillard does, the mindless drones will continue to support and vote for her.

      It’s pathetic.

    • Against the Woman says:

      11:43am | 27/02/11

      On the contrary, Eric. It’s the Coalition and it’s supporters who are saying it’s The End Of The World As We Know It.

      Have you been checked for Alzheimer’s, Rosie ? Or perhaps it was another “Rosie” who cut and pasted your comment ? And why would anyone thank Eric for making the first comment ? Eric always makes the first comment, such is his need to vent his bile.

    • Zoe says:

      06:58pm | 27/02/11

      Regardless of who may or may not be running a scare camaign and regardless of who is right or wrong when it comes to climate change, I just dont see how come Australia should be subjected to a carbon tax. Our industries are struggling as it is. If we do have a tax we should then ban anything from coming into the country which isnt produced to the same standard. Whats the point if the other big polluters are just given the freedom to profit at our expense.
      Take toilet paper for example. Our producers are constantly scutinised by the greens and have constantly changed their methods to clean up their processes. Meanwhile they turn a blind eye to cheap pulp coming in straight from overseas rainforests. The job losses are massive and will now get worse.
      Apples are another example. Our own farmers havent been able to use chemicals such as DDT for decades (thankfully)  and suddenly now the greens are perfectly happy for Chinese apples to be allowed in when they still use these chemicals.
      Im sure other people have plenty of similar examples. Point is we havent been on a level playing field for a long time. This will just put us even further behind.

    • steve says:

      08:28pm | 27/02/11

      Ha, ha, ha! Bloody hilarious!
      Sky Agenda showed an interview of Abbott pre-election saying how bad the ETS was and that he preferred a carbon tax & it will probably be up for consideration in the coalitions environmental policy.
      Geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

    • TChong says:

      06:01am | 26/02/11

      Jones ( australias would-be Rush Limbaugh) shat himself that anyone would dare to stand up to his prima donna act..
      Guess he is far more comfortable with the snivelling 1Vote Tony.
      When The Parrot tells 1 Vote to jump, Tony only asks ‘how high’?
      Jones and Mitchell - what great spokesmen and policy directors for the LNP.

    • Aitch B says:

      06:49am | 26/02/11

      Nice spin on it, Chongy. I didn’t hear the Jones interview but I did catch the Mitchell one. She had more sidesteps than a contestant on Dancing With The Stars!

      Wouldn’t answer a direct question and when Mitchell pushed her for an answer she went into that condescending ‘Oh Neil…... ’ bullshit.

      I don’t care who is being asked the questions…. anybody from any side of politics. But I do care if they won’t give straight answers to perfectly legitimate questions!

    • Joan says:

      07:12am | 26/02/11

      Jones and Neill exposed Gillard for the liar she is as they played back
      ` there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead`  - sly Gillard totally ignored play back and then responded with manipulative language to excuse and justify her actions as she ignored her own words-  her blatant lie to people of Australia at election time. Jones and Mitchell expressed the outrage of Australians who had been lied to, Australians who don’t have the opportunity to question Gillard and Gillard response on the radio showed total contempt of Australian people and she treated them as complete and utter fools, it was Gillard who shat on the people of Australia., the same Gillard who shat on peoples PM Rudd - Sly Gillard the liar who vowed loyalty to Rudd to people of Australia then knifed peoples PM Rudd overnight ... just days later.

    • malohi says:

      07:15am | 26/02/11

      Yes Jones is a prima donna, but Julia was no better with her empty pontifications being interjected at the drop of a hat. It sounded to me like a petty game of one-upsmanship between the two.
      Julia should be able to wipe the floor with Jones or Abbot in a debate, but she always get suckered in to the “let me finish…/I can speak louder than you” game.

    • TimB says:

      08:16am | 26/02/11

      I listened to the Jones interview last night. I shouldn’t have done it, it just ended up pissed me off.
      Julia was interrupting Jones left and right, but every time Jones tried to call her on the thickened cloud of spin and lies pouring from her mouth she’d screech ‘let me finish don’t interrrupt!’ Yet she never answered the question. Not once. She sidesteps better than Benji Marshal.

    • matilda says:

      09:56am | 26/02/11

      “The truth is that Gillard made the promise—and repeated it—in a desperate bid to get over the line in the election. It was a cynical con.
      All that being said, however, Gillard—the leader accused so often of standing for nothing—now has something to fight for. A cause. “

      How quickly Laurie glosses over Gillards BIG LIE. How quickly TChong ignores Gillards BIG LIE. Trust matters in politics. Gillard is treating Australians with contempt. I may support a carbon tax but not at the expense of democracy - Gillard if she had a shred of principle would call an election to seek the mandate she states she has.

    • Aasq says:

      11:45am | 26/02/11

      You mean questions like, “What is the context”, Aitch ?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:23pm | 26/02/11

      T. Chong :  The high office of Prime Minister of Australia has been disgraced by Ju-LIAR Gillard . Alan Jones served Gillard up on a plate to listeners all over this country - shreding any credibility to tatters that the P.M. was desperately clinging to.

      The most worrying aspect of the far reaching Carbon Tax is that most people have no idea just how insidious this tax will be.
      In the past , in this forum , we all have debated on this particular Labor
      plan , but just once more i will state that the cost to Australian citizens will make any other form of taxation look small bikkies.

      Everything we use daily will rise in cost including the food we eat .
      Rates , power , fuel , car registration , just about anything you can think of will be subject to cost increases because of the far reaching effect of this tax. 

      As Tony Abbott promised in federal parliament , Ju-LIAR is in for the political fight of her life , every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

    • Steve Smith says:

      03:33am | 27/02/11

      Tim B
      I listened to the Jones interview several times and it was Jones that kept interrupting the Prime Minister.
      It must be a Liberal trait to be rude,Ignorant,and lack respect for the elected Prime Minister of this Country.
      I like the way Tim B, that the Liberal cheersquad misconstrue the facts to suit their diatribe.
      A thing that concerns me that in a Democratic Country like ours that Tony Abbott would call on ‘People Power” to oppose the proposed ‘Carbon Tax”, this is something that you would expect to hear from a Dictator,not the Australian Leader of the Opposition.
      Tony Abbott ,I feel has gone too far to the right and has taken the Liberal National Party with him and his Un-Australian idealism.

    • TimB says:

      09:33am | 27/02/11

      Steve, not misconstruing anything. How about you put down your own Labor pom-poms and listen to it again.
      They both interrupted each other. But Julia was the only one who had an issue with it. She’s a whiny hypocrite who can’t answer a direct question.

      Whilst you’re at it look up the definition of the word “dictator”. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    • Stephen says:

      06:09am | 26/02/11

      How can the Australian people trust anything now said by Julia Gillard or the Labor Government. The Australian people now know that if the Greens want something different, their desires will prevail. I have no doubt that Gillard meant what she said when she promised “no carbon tax” however she does not have the strength, or the numbers, to refuse the Greens demands. What worries me is what will be next. What next will the Greens want? They represent a very small proportion of Australian society yet they can bully the government. Perhaps Julia is signing her own political “death warrant” by saying “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.” If she is deposed I guess the promise is void because she no longer will lead the government. The more she argues “semantics” and “word games” the more credibility she will lose. Julia, the Australian people are no so stupid to believe that your words could be interpreted as anything other than the literal meaning of that sentence,  “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.”

    • Bruce says:

      08:35am | 26/02/11

      Agree Stephen. You can not go to the people saying NO, then say, ‘No did not mean No’. Well, what does NO mean, some sort of yes ? To me the carbon tax is the lesser issue, it is more the issue of Juliar’s credibility and the hold that the greens have over the government. So when Juliar says “no” in the future she must mean ‘yes’ or well something like that. Is that clear ??

    • mickijo says:

      01:44pm | 26/02/11

      The Australian people must ask themselves how much longer can they afford to keep the ALP and the Greens in charge of this once wonderful
      country. In four short years the conditions of everything has deteriorated, they can only get worse.

    • Matt says:

      07:14am | 26/02/11

      If Gillard wants to take on the fight (like Howard and the GST), then let’s have an election. If she can win it telling the truth she can claim the victory. If she introduces a carbon tax in this term of government she is a cowardly liar.

    • Kelvin says:

      07:41am | 26/02/11

      Spot on!!

    • jf says:

      08:13am | 26/02/11

      “There will be no carbon tax in any Government I lead”

      Presumably that quote was meant to mean “any” government she leads.

      However, as Abbot very honestly said, politicians (like most of us) can be prone to hyperbole when discussing a topic that they have a committed position on.

      The science on AGW is so uncertain that I can accept that people will change their view on this. If this is Gillard’s view, fair enough. However, given the importance and consequence of a carbon tax, she should have to take it to an election. Particularly as a key platform of her campaign at the last election was that there would be “no carbon tax in any Government I lead”.

      If she fought and won an election on a clear and unambiguous committment to introducing a carbon tax, fair enough.

    • E=mc" says:

      08:55am | 26/02/11

      Green / Labor coalitions Leader is Bob Brown,why that womans name is mentioned as PM is pure folly

    • Zoe says:

      07:05pm | 27/02/11

      I agree we should have an election before something this big is introduced. Maybe we should bring up the gay marriage issue and distract Bob Brown till we can arrange an early election!

    • Mal says:

      07:43am | 26/02/11

      It’s so simple, she didn’t lie or decieve us.  Read the quote again.  “There will be no carbon tax in any Government I LEAD” (emphasis mine).  It just means she isn’t the leader of the Government.  The neatest, correct entry telling me who is, wins free exhaleing until 2012.

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      08:03am | 26/02/11

      The elephant in the room is the Greens. Without the yoke of minority government, Gillard would not dare attempt such an electorally poisonous policy argument. As it is, she has been forced down a path she never intended to tread, and forced to gird her loins for the ride. The NSW election will be indicative, as will the performance of the PM and Abbott over the weekend.

      That being said, it smacks of another Labor announcement; strong on representation and bravado, light on detail and impact.

    • Labor Ruined this Country says:

      08:05am | 26/02/11

      Thanks to Julia Gillard, I have absolutely lost all respect in the office of PM. I don’t care how anybody addresses her or interviews her. She is nothing but a two faced (remember the real Joolya) liar and a coward. Those who support this type of behaviour in the electorate should have a good hard look at themselves as they obviously harbour similar values.

      Did you get that commie Chongie?

    • Rosie says:

      10:10am | 26/02/11

      I lost respect the first time I found out what she did to the people’s PM and become PM herself. The reason I ridicule her for being an athesit, unwed, childless and living in the people’s home in a defacto relationship with that pussy hairdresser boyfriend of hers. I detest the woman and would be extremely happy if she was replaced by any other Labor MP, preferably a good looker with a beautiful wife. Billy Shorten comes to mind as he and his beautiful wife can attend the royal wedding with his mother - in - law representing the Commonwealth of Australia and its people. In contrast to the Lying Gillard and boyfriend Timmy who are a sight for sore eyes.

    • Rosie says:

      06:00pm | 27/02/11

      Big deal Against the Woman with my speed typing I missed out the word not.

      However, hope you got the message????????

    • Against the Woman says:

      06:48pm | 27/02/11

      Loud and clear, Rosie. When you completely misunderstand something, you try to pretend it was a typo.

    • TimB says:

      08:20am | 26/02/11

      You know the other day, I figured this was going to finish Labor’s chances at the next election. IT appears that the punters agree.

      But a nice side-effect: This is also going to destroy the Greens too I think :D. Now the people can see just how dangerous they are. They’ll suffer the same fate as Labor.

      The NSW election will be telling. I know it’s all state issues and Labor are about to be wiped out anyway,  but I’m sure at least some of this anger will translate through. Possibly a few more lost seats for Labor, and with any luck, a good sized drop in the Green’s primary vote.

    • BarraBob says:

      08:26am | 26/02/11

      If Allan Jones is the Liberal Party’s godfather Laurie Oakes must surely be the Labor Party’s Fairy God Mother. julia Gillard did not lie when she stated that there would be no carbon tax under a government that she led because it is abundantly clear that this government is being led by Bob Brown and the Greens.

    • Holly says:

      08:34am | 26/02/11

      Here’s another quote:-
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.  It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.” 
      “In an election eve interview with the Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price..”

      from a lead article by Dennis Shanahan and Paul Kelly in the Australian on August 20th 2010, the eve of the election.  So you see if you had read this article you would realise that she is being entirely consistent

      I for one am pleased that Julia Gillard has taken this step which is necessary to underpin Australia’s economic future.  We cannot drift forever on the back of a resources boom.

    • TimB says:

      10:03am | 26/02/11

      How is what she said consistent with “There will be no carbon tax under my government”?

      Look up the meaning of “consistent” please. Julia is a liar. Stop making excuses.

      And if you want to guarantee our economic future with low-carbon ideas, expand our uranium mining and embrace nuclear power. Until you do that you’re not serious about the whole carbon scam.

    • Levi says:

      10:26am | 26/02/11

      Yes Holly, our bleak economic future under a carbon tax. Just watch the investments dwindle overseas until no one is interested in Australia as a resources supplier anymore. The biggest one will be when the carbon tax on fuel forces steel producers in China to source the majority of their iron ore from Brazil rather than Australia.

      Their ore is of a better grade and quality than ours, the only advantage we have is distance. It presently costs less to transport ore from Australia to China than from Brazil to China. Can’t wait Holly.

      Oh here’s a quote for you. “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead” (Gillard, J: 2010). Did you miss that one? Or have you been living under a rock?

      Liar

    • Joan says:

      11:39am | 26/02/11

      Glillard ... classic sly liar say one thing to one group then create a trail or scripts to cover tracks….. the tactic of real mean deliberately deceiful sly liar…you can’t get any meaner and that`s Gillard for you as Holly describes Gillard ... as I read Holly post.  Small wonder Tanner ran a mile from anything to with Gillard right from the start…... he obviously recognised the nasty deceitful piece of work she is.

    • Lizbeth says:

      08:43am | 26/02/11

      Australians who do not like what they are witnessing from Julia Gillard are caught powerless between a lying, desperate incompetent and a minority de facto Green/independant Australian government.  The Multi-Party Climate Change Group is comprised of Gillard props - it contains not one individual upon whom she does not rely to keep jer job. 
      This is possibly the most rapid, transparently disrespectful about-turn from any serving Labor Prime Minister in memory. Yet this un-charming, coldly ambitious woman knows, and her Green/independant controllers know (and feel safe),  that we the people have absolutely no means of redress. No matter our alarm, we have no way to force an election. We are at the mercy of a mottley minority, a peculiar mix that many did not expect to wield power over our Prime Minister and our electorate. I suspect that many mourn the fact that Gillard’s character feeds and facilitates these parasites who she permits control over her.  Her compliance with them will likely end her political career sooner rather than later.  She seems blinded by power and the public stage.
      Miss Gillard cares not that she has deceived the electorate. Her “semantics” comment belittles and humiliates us. It insults our intelligence: So we did not understand her “no carbon tax” commitment?  We misread her, so now suck it up?  “I as your Prime Minister” will talk you down, oblige Bob Brown and do whatever it takes to hold my position. You miserable thick-headed journalists, you can’t catch me, you can’t get me to give you a truthful answer, you miserable little people, all of you get out of my way.
      This is a dangerous, incapable woman, an erratic decision-maker whose history shows financial incompetence, untruthfulness and now lack of sincerity in her dealings with the public beyond her willingness to decapitate a serving senior colleague and possibly anyone else on her side of the political spectrum who plans venturing into her pathway.

    • Mouse says:

      12:44pm | 26/02/11

      Don’t worry, she’s only gotta hang on for a few more months and she will have her 12 months as PM. THEN, she gets her fantastic pension, her office & staff, her free plane travel, free car & chauffeur, free medical AND can get a job that pays bucketfuls of cash with no effect on her pension. Why should she care what she has to do to get there? She may be silly, but this woman is not stupid!

    • Levi says:

      08:47am | 26/02/11

      She is a liar, plain and simple. There is no way anyone, even chongie, Rob Charteris, Nossy, or Persephone can argue with that. “There will be no carbon tax in a government i lead”. What do we get? A Carbon Tax.

      So much for Labor attacking Tony Abbott over the whole “Gospel Truth” storm in a tea cup. At least Abbott admitted he may lie. Julia, and more embarrasingly last night on lateline, Penny Wong, are arguing that somehow it was semantics or a misquotation. There was no misquotation. It was simply a bare-faced lie to help win power.

      Tony Abbott’s “$hit happens” comments were indeed taken way out of context. Things like that (A bullet through the chest in wartime) do happen, and they are indeed $hit. But Joo-liar’s carbon tax lie will go down as one of the biggest in history. How anyone ever thought she was a good choice of leadership for this country is beyond me.

    • Norma says:

      08:51am | 26/02/11

      “Suddenly Gillard looks like a leader with a plan”
      She is the leader who would not have been leader had she not lied. Now she is lying about lying.
      I dare you to ask her, publicly:
      “Can you honestly state you believe you would have won the election had you told voters clearly you planned to legislate a tax in 2011, to commence 2012?”
      She’ll try not to answer (she’s good at that) but don’t give up on it. Whatever the outcome, follow up with:
      “why won’t you wait until the election, or call an early election if you are in a hurry, and request a mandate for policy which will impact the economy far more than the GST did? Howard did this for his GST”

    • Zoe says:

      07:23pm | 27/02/11

      Norma, you need to start your own talk show and get Julia on asap. Yours are the questions I would like to hear answered!!

    • Graham says:

      08:52am | 26/02/11

      Hopefuly this will be the end of her and this hopeless government. The most ridiculous bunch of amateurs ever to have the hide to even run for office.
      R Charters can then move to Zimbabwe and share in the joys of a tinpot socialist (for the masses only) regime and begin whinging.
      How many Greens are in the Lower House? Australia’s contribution to world emissions is basically three-fifths of…, Australia taking the lead on something like this is from a world point of view, an absolute joke and economic stupidity. How much more money do we want to give these fools to p. against the wall? Time to go before we are completely broke.

    • Another Mal says:

      08:57am | 26/02/11

      Anyone who thinks that taxing emissions in Australia without doing the same in China, USA, India, to name a few more significant polluters, is a pretentious self deluded fool.  It won’t make any difference other than to drive up living costs.  We aren’t going to save the world.  Bob Brown is the worst prime minister we have ever had.  Julia is nothing more than a brazen liar.  Charteris and Chong have gotten into the ALP office early this morning which is a good effort when you are on the dole

    • Zoe says:

      07:47pm | 27/02/11

      100 per cent agree. I dont see the point of argueing about whether climate change is real or not. This wont help the climate either way. If its real its a global thing.  If we are going to clean our industries up we cant let countries such as China dump all their unethical products here. We cant compete as it is. Labor never thinks things through. They have an idea but rush through without refining the details.
      Stimulus package - how much went overseas to backpackers?
      Insulation - should have only been installed by those who already were licensed to do so
      Flood levy - should have been properly income tested

    • GC Dude says:

      09:01am | 26/02/11

      Me thinks Gillard has ultimately consigned the Labor Govt to oblivion. People can see that the Greens hold power and make the decisions which in turn makes Labor rather obsolete in modern politics. I can see Liberals going head to head with the Greens in years to come with Labor becoming the forgotten “Democrats” of politics. A group of short term liars that bounce from one opinion poll to the next. Watch the March elections in NSW and you’ll get your answer to how Australians feel about a carbon tax.

    • CD says:

      09:18am | 26/02/11

      Gillard can outright lie and still the adoring throng forgive all. Amazing how little the Laborite tools want from a PM. Check the usual Punch pathetics.

      Then again most are either ignorant of facts or like the gravy train of handouts they live on. Most of them are figuring they’ll get their money back anyway.

      So tell me now that Julia has decided that there is enough scientific evidence for her to slug people to keep her coffers full, give me one name on her committee who wasn’t a warmist paid handsomely for 4 meetings?  Anyone? Just one name to have put forward another side to the CC debate being all man’s fault. There wasn’t one. How convenient hey Laurie?

    • mona says:

      09:29am | 26/02/11

      Laurie stop be one sided and write about the real Julia not the one you like her to be.

    • Toys will get Played says:

      09:32am | 26/02/11

      If you don’t know about the CANCUN agreement than Australia signed promising to give $80 Million of tax payers money to the UN to set up a green fund and contribute large amounts on any Carbon Tax collected from Australian Tax Payers to a Multi Billion $ GREEN FUND which will then by SQUANDERED by the UN then you SHOULD.

      You know its amazing how ILL Informed the Average Australian is, frightening IGNORANCE of the facts.

      That agreement again is the CANCUN Agreement go check it out before you say another word on Carbon Price or Carbon Tax.

      Information is POWER.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:17am | 27/02/11

      MarK
      And you and your fellow Liberalites believe Mr “Don’t believe everything I say"Abbott?
      From the Sydney Morning Herald, a story “Read my lying lips:Abbott admits you can’t believe everything he says”,written by Phillip Coorey,May 18,2010.
      “Tony Abbott has told voters not to believe everything he says.”
      I"In an extraordinary admission last night,the opposition Leader said his only utterances that should be regarded as “gospel truth” were caredully prepared and scripted remarks such as those made during speeches or policy pronouncements.”
      “Otherwise,he indicated that statements made during the “heat of discussion’ such as radio interviews or under questioning at press conferences,were not necessarily reliable.”
      As for Laurie Oakes being a “weathervane”, Malcolm Turnbull has previously used that phrase to describe the now Leader of the opposition Tony Abbott.

    • Levi says:

      06:46pm | 27/02/11

      Difference is Christian, Julia just flat out lied to win an election. Who is worse? I know who. Yep, SHE is.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:19am | 28/02/11

      Levi
      Howard mastered the art of lying to win elections,but bias,one-eyed,tunnelled vision and narrow minded people like you didn’t mind because he was a Liberal Prime Minister.
      And Abbott lied to try to win an election
      It is not any different to your Liberal party,or the Liberal Leaders at the time,yet you pathetic bunch of Liberals condone and attempt to excuse them regardless.

    • MarK says:

      09:58am | 26/02/11

      Laurie Oakes on Agust 1 2010

      “But, isn’t it important if you become Prime Minister, that Australians can believe what their Prime Minister says?”

      Great question.

      Shame he asked it of Abbott. Of course now we have Gillard shown to be deceitful beyond any explanation we have him come out and say it’s OK.

      “All that being said, however, Gillard—the leader accused so often of standing for nothing—now has something to fight for. A cause. “

      Really Laurie? That is the excuse? It is all OK.

      What a hypocritical position you seem to hold. Dare I say it you are a weathervane on the issue of political accountability. How many positions can you hold on the issue in a mere 6months?

    • simon says:

      03:55pm | 26/02/11

      Yeh Laurie has shown himself to be a lefty. Is seems he thinks it’s ok for Gillard to lie, but not Abbott. Almost like he has fallen for Labor/Greens spin and propoganda. This article was poorly balanced!!

    • Holly says:

      10:02am | 26/02/11

      So you are all prepared to ignore what she said on the eve of the election (see my comment above) and shrill on with your selective quote.

      What could be more clear than stating that she would view a victory in the election as a mandate for a carbon price?  Which part of that statement did you fail to understand?

    • TimB says:

      11:12am | 26/02/11

      What could be more clear than these Holly?

      “We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out”
      “What we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax”
      “There will be no carbon tax under my goverment”
      “I rule out a carbon tax.”

      What part of these do YOU fail to understand?

      The message to the electorate was simple. Vote Labor and there won’t be a carbon tax.

      This was the message through the entire campaign. And you think one quick interview, buried in a newspaper article on election eve absolves her of Labor’s stance through the entire campagn? I’m pretty sure you’re the one with the shrill selective quote here.

      And let’s look at that shrill selective quote of yours. I detect cherry picking. Here’s a few pther quotes from that article:

      While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election…

      After 2013. The NEXT election.

      The get-out clause was of course she’d do it this term IF there was consensus:

      In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

      Well guess what Holly. The community ISNT ready. The majority are against it.

      Gillard lied and has betrayed the Australian people. And she stole the election to do so. That’s a fact.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:44am | 26/02/11

      So Holly, your argument is that it’s all ok because you’ve found some quote that contradicts Labor’s clear position during the election campaign?
      What possible reason is there for you to try to defend this?  Why look for excuses?

    • simon says:

      03:50pm | 26/02/11

      Holly, now your playing “word games” and “semantics” just like Gillard is, trying to deflect her lies to the Australian public.

      She is a compulsive liar and can not be trusted, you know that, I know that, and so does the rest of Australia.

    • steve says:

      08:06pm | 26/02/11

      No!
      The Coalition & the Greens lied & were deceitful to the Australian people.
      The Coalition went to the 2007 election along with the ALP promising to implement an ETS.
      The ALP had a mandate & what appeared to be bipartisan support.
      The Coalition worked against the will of the people.
      The Greens demanded purity & the Coalition did another policy backflip.
      I find it hilarious that Mr.Abbott can verbally do acrobats, feed daily lies, misrepresentations to the voters & all is well with the media. Here is a guy who lied about his meeting with Pell. Who lied about a slush fund that was skating on a very thin legal line. Lied about the sale of Medicare. Lied about workchoices. Note: on his ascension he said it would be revisited. Ah, that’s right! Come the election & it is dead & cremated. Now, the power brokers of Coalition policy are working for the return of workchoices.
      Pot meet kettle!
      Mr.Abbott’s hypocrisy & deceit are bad enough but what can you say about his followers who are now throwing arrows at Gillard.
      It can only be one of two things.
      Either they are hypocrits of the most disgusting order or they expect higher standards for the ALP than they do for their own party.
      What a hoot!

    • TimB says:

      09:28am | 27/02/11

      And how much of your hysterical post actually affected you in a negative way Steve?

      None.

      So shut up.

      What is it about ALP supporters that play theory games? I care about that’s actually happened, not maybes or stuff that ended up neing utterly irrelevant to the Australian people.. It doesn’t matter, not like this.

    • Steve Smith says:

      03:54pm | 27/02/11

      Tim B
      After perusing Steve’s comment(08.06pm, 26/02/11)  it is more positive than your negative response.
      It shows that you don’t like being forced into a corner as you only line of response to Steve’s comment was to tell him to shut up.
      What is it about narrow minded,tunnelled visioned, one eyed Liberal suporters like you that attempts to dumb down the freedom of speech and the comment of people like Steve by telling him to shut up, just who the hell do you think you are,
      So glad that I am not such a self centred inbred redneck Liberal supporter like you Tim B.
      Tim B, Julia Gillard won that last election Democratically, what is it that you pea-brained liberals don’t understand about how our Democratic parliament works, that you all fantazise that she ‘stole’ the election when that is untrue.
      It was a ‘Hung Parliament”, Abbott had a chance to do a deal with the Independents and the Greens to become a minority Government, but he failed to do so, Julia Gilliard negotiated with the Independents and greens and was successfu,l and was the winner,because she had the numbers, and was able to form a minority government.
      Tim B, you and the other misinformed, uneducated Liberals that keep echoing this Liberal diatribe, should pick up the dummies that you keep spitting out, and go home so that your mummies can change your little nappies, because they are full of shit.
      Maybe that is what Tony Abbott was talking about when he said ‘Shit Happens’

    • Zoe says:

      08:10pm | 27/02/11

      You can all argue all you want for the respective parties you follow. BUT for a lot of people they dont just blindly follow one party. I amongst many many others vote at each election for whoever I think will do abetter job at the time. I form my opinion on, amongst other things, election promises.
      Julia promised very loudly that there would be no carbon tax. I’ll take Hollys word for it that she may have made a statement to the contrary. Its just a shame she didnt say it more loudly, because obviously the majority missed it!
      Point is that those treating politics like footy and sticking with a crap team through good and bad will continue to do so.
      Those who make a decision each election time will dump labor like a hot potato. At this point I dont care what Abbott did or didnt say. This is about Julia who has turned out to be an uncaring decietful liar, who will say anything and either backstab or suck up to whoever she needs to just to further her own career. Voting for her was the biggest mistake i’ve ever made. And one that I (and majority of people ive spoken to) wont make again.

    • nosthow says:

      10:02am | 26/02/11

      Interesting to note that yesterday Laurie, Abbott refused to confirm when asked if he would repeal the carbon tax - now shucks but call me innocent I bet he wouldnt ! He knows that whoever is PM will be called on in the near future to put a price on carbon - in the meantime he can play Dr No till hes blue in the face but god forbid if he ever became PM he wont take the tax off !

    • Christian Real says:

      04:40am | 27/02/11

      Tony Abbott is attempting to have an each way bet on a Carbon tax because on one hand he is saying that he opposes the carbon tax,and then on the other hand he is refusing to confirm that he would repel the carbon tax.
      Malcolm Turnbull was right, Tony Abbott is like a weathervane, and he changes his policy stand to which ever way the political wind is blowing.

    • jf says:

      10:10am | 26/02/11

      Conservative voters are “rednecks”, Howard’s size, Abbott’s dress sense, Alan Jones’ sexuality, Bronwyn Bishop’s age, Joe Hockey’s weight, Barnaby Joyce’s regional upbringing.

      All this and more from those that represent the party that claims to be open-minded, tolerant and progressive.

      Sure, there are rednecks and odious people on the far right of conservative politics.

      This is all very revealing.

      Acotrel, RrC et al… have far more in common with those at the extremities of conservative politics than the majority of conservatives who are fair-minded, tolerant and progressive.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:18am | 26/02/11

      Personally I think that Peak Oil will cure the AGW problem. But then again civilizational collapse isn’t pretty. The trouble is that a carbon tax is useless without carbon tariffs or population stabilization.

    • PatC says:

      10:25am | 26/02/11

      Julia Gillard did NOT liar… and I can prove it

      She said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.”

      1. There is no carbon tax - only a proposal
      and
      2. She does not lead this government - Bob Brown does

      therefore she did not lie.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      11:02am | 26/02/11

      Ms Gillard, you don’t seem to realise that you’re digging your own grave with this “Crap Tax”
      you’re halfway down and yet you still keep digging….why???
      The carbon tax is just another way of ripping the taxpayer off and we know it even if you think you can fool us some more by lies and half truths.
      I’m still waiting for you to try to rip yet more Tax from the miners who are keeping this place going at the moment.
      you left wing nuts are not happy until you’ve taxed everything your greedy eyes fall upon.
      why do pollies become pollies….because they can’t get a real job
      Be real sure of one thing juiliar, your time will come and when the voters get their chance, they’ll throw you out on your big fat arse, woman

    • Gary says:

      12:50pm | 26/02/11

      I’m just a little confused here.  Is rAbbott upset about (A) the suggestion of a carbon tax, or (B) the breaking of an election promise?


      If (A), let me remind him, in 2009, he was pushing for a carbon tax. He stated ‘they should pay more for electricty’ and ‘they should pay more for petrol’.

      If (B), let me remind him of countless occurrences of broken election promises by John Howard, with the explanation that there were both ‘core’ and ‘non-core’ promises. Also, last year, during the election campaign, he stated that ‘If I didn’t write it down, then it’s probably not true’ or words to that effect, which was admitting he was a liar. (pot calling kettle non-white perhaps?).


      Then there is the matter of the election itself. Julia stated ‘no carbon tax under my government’, while the greens were promoting a carbon tax. The election results showed a huge swing away from Labor towards who? The greens, NOT the libs. It seems to me that the voting public were telling us that they wanted action on this issue.

    • simon says:

      03:42pm | 26/02/11

      Greens won I think 14% or so, that does not constitute any form of majority or mandate, and remember they only formed government on preferences and deals with independents. Sorry no mandate, your agument is clutching at straws!!

      Do you also imply that Bob Brown should be PM??

    • Woodsy says:

      12:55pm | 26/02/11

      I have to disagree that Gillard acquitted herself quite well in the interview with Jones. Although she presented as having an answer for every salvo Jones fired at her, she was far too evasive and simply refused to take her about-turn head on. If she had just admitted that Labor’s policy on the matter had shifted since her comments about not introducing the tax then at least she would’ve had an out, but she simply dug herself deeper with the typical evasiveness we’ve come to expect from her.

      At least when introducing the GST Howard abolished sales tax and therefore had the excuse that it was simply a replacement tax, however Gillard now proposes taxing us for something which is yet to be proven beyond reasonable doubt and something which will have minimal to no impact on the world’s CO2 emissions.  This will fail.

    • Against the Man says:

      02:58pm | 26/02/11

      JuLIAR lied and she won’t give us a straight answer, no one with 1/2 a brain should be surprised. If she is confident in what she is doing, call an election now - Double Dissolution Election NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • simon says:

      03:36pm | 26/02/11

      Yes the GST was basically revenue neutral, this new carbon tax is an additional tax grab on top of all the other taxes we pay!!!!

    • woolycrow says:

      04:20pm | 26/02/11

      Who takes Alan Jones seriously anyway.  He is so far to the right in Australian politics he is out in the Pacific Ocean by many kilometres.

    • Victoria says:

      01:13pm | 26/02/11

      It’s a conveniently selective interpretation of the meaning of a ‘lie’ that the oppositionists are ranting about now wrt the Prime Minister’s statement that any government she leads would not introduce a Carbon Tax. That statement was made in the context of the fact that she would prefer an Emissions Trading Scheme as opposed to a Carbon Tax, as the mechanism by which Carbon pollution should be priced to send a price signal that business was asking for.
        Talk about a slippery red herring to hang your opposition hat on.

    • GB says:

      01:53pm | 26/02/11

      Keep spinning that “context” and “semantics” line just like your illustrious leader Victoria . Whatever makes you feel better. I, along with every other Australian who didn’t vote Green or is an ALP staffer will stick with treating it exactly for what it is. A bald-faced lie.

    • simon says:

      03:33pm | 26/02/11

      Very poor argument Victoria. Your use of “word games” and “semantics” to attempt to substantitae your spin is the same tactic used by Gillard with the Australian people.

      Which ever way you want to spin it, it was a two faced lie to win an election. Totally unforgivable!!

    • Sandy says:

      01:18pm | 26/02/11

      Oh come on people, politicians change thier minds, Howard did, Rudd did, Gillard has, Abbott would. Call it a lie, but look to yourselves how many times have you lied or ‘changed your minds’.
      We expect so much of our politicians I hope we apply the same standards to ourselves as we do to them.
      As for me - I am very glad that Labor is back on the Climate change wagon that what I voted for in 2007. I want a progressive forward thinking party and hopefully with the Greens and the independents we will get that again.

    • Adrian of Adelaide says:

      02:33pm | 26/02/11

      No amount of posturing by ALP supporters is going to make this go away Sandy.

      A: Howard went to an election on a GST and won fair and square - no lies there.

      B: I, and no doubt yourself, might tell the occasional fib or changae our minds (but unless this is really you Julia?) neither of us are the PM.

      Bill Clinton didn’t get away with ‘I never had sexual relations with that woman’ ;and Julia Gillard (whichever version was talking at the time) should not be allowed to get away with ‘there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      04:21pm | 26/02/11

      Hey Sandy,
      Same goes for the carbon tax.
      Chances are it wont happen, 2012 ad. is a long way off, alot will happen till then.
      She is just buying time to please the greens.

    • phat says:

      09:05am | 27/02/11

      Adrain
      John Howard didn’t get a mandate for the GST. He had to get Meg Lees who went to the election with a position against the GST to backflip.
      And now there are <strong>no<> Democrats.

    • Joan says:

      09:32am | 27/02/11

      Carbon Tax is so progressive that USA, China, India the worlds biggest polluters not so stupid as to shoot themselves in the foot…no desire to .cripple their nations progress,  unlike liar Gillards desire to fulfill Brown wish to takeAustralia back to the cave.  The worlds big 3 will continue to stoke their coal power stations and provide cheap power to manfucturers meanwhile   Juliar`s and Brown will see that the last of Australian manufacturing hanging on by their nails go offshore and the world CO2 will not have changed one bit.

    • Adrian of Adelaide says:

      09:53am | 27/02/11

      Phat,
            Howard went to an election stating he would legislate a GST if he won. He won and brought in a GST. He had a mandate, forged during an election campaign in which he openly stated he would institute a GST if he won. That’s a mandate - end of story.

      Now let’s compare that to what Julia has done.  Oh dear… we’re back to lying again aren’t we?

    • Judi-Ann says:

      05:46pm | 27/02/11

      Surely you are joking when China builds coal fired power stations every week or so - other countries have nuclear - the big polluters will just continue on - better check New Zealand I believe they owe billions because of the Kyoto Protocal to the poorer nations because they can’t keep up to their promise.  Labor will ruin our country and for not one bit of difference to the environment.  People are very angry - Juliar does not have a mandate to inflict this tax.

    • Adrian of Adelaide says:

      01:22pm | 26/02/11

      Is this timid rebuke the best you can dish up Laurie? A mere 80 words on one of the most bare-faced lies ever told in Australian political hsitory, and then you move on to…

      ‘All that being said, however, Gillard—the leader accused so often of standing for nothing—now has something to fight for. A cause.’

      Why are you giving Julia Gillard and the ALP such an easy run on this?

      Not only Gillard, but Treasurer Wayne Swann categorically ruled out any form of carbon tax several times in the days before the last election.

      There can be no side-stepping the fact that the ALP’s most senior leadership treated Australian voters with contempt; deceived us in a fashion that would make a used car salesman blush.

      The knife edge result would clearly have gone the Coalition’s way had voters known a carbon tax was just around the corner. Gillard and the ALP lied – and lied big time.

      This was not the ‘gilding the lily’ we expect from all politicians on occasions. This was calculated dishonesty on a grand scale during an extremely tight election campaign – with the Coalition campaigning overtly and very effectively on the prospect of a Labor carbon tax. This was the time for Gillard to defend her tax, bring the electorate with her and claim a mandate.

      But what did she and the ALP actually do? They cynically and deliberately misled Australian voters, knowing they could never hope to win if a carbon tax was revealed pre-election.

      Gillard is to be condemned and so too Australia’s senior journalists who seem determined to collude with her. Gillard’s credibility is already damaged beyond repair.

      If our political journalists hope to salvage any of their own, the Australian public expects them to subject Gillard to at least as much pressure as they do Tony Abbott - not cough discreetly and allow this travesty to be yet more water under ‘Real’ Julia’s bridge.

      So how about it Laurie – care to try again?

    • GB says:

      01:27pm | 26/02/11

      Yeah right Oakes. Way to make yourself appear impartial while going easy on this bald faced lying harpy. If this was Abbott, you would be doing your utmost to absolute destroy him. How in god’s name can she claim a mandate to introduce something of this magnitude whilst forming a minority government on the back of the support of the party driving this whole agenda. All this when she on no less than 4 occasions stated during the election campaign that no government she leads will introduce a carbon tax, as she knew it was electoral suicide.  Let’s be straight on this. She didn’t avoid the question, she didn’t beat around the bush. She CATEGORICALLY ruled it out. The arrogance and disregard of the will of the people being displayed by this woman is beyond breathtaking. If she wants to push this agenda, she has to dissolve both houses, campaign on it and let the people decide. Of course this snake in the grass wouldn’t dare as she knows exactly what the result would be. Completely disgusting.

    • Hillbilly Skeleton says:

      03:04pm | 26/02/11

      Laurie Oakes doesn’t have to try and destroy Tony Abbott, the man has admitted out of his own mouth that he lies and says whatever he wants to and what he thinks each particular situation demands, for example, his claim that ‘Climate Change is absolute crap’, said to an appreciative audience in Victoria.
        Tony Abbott has said you can’t take anything he says as the gospel truth unless he writes it down; Howard had ‘Core’ and ‘Non Core’ promises. How much closer to admitting that you will say anything before an election, in order to get elected, can you get than that?
        Also for you to dismiss the effect that The Greens are having on policy formulation is to deny the effect they had on the election result. After July 1st they will hold the Balance of Power in the Senate. Why? Because lots of electors in Australia voted to put them there. Now, you may think that they are illegitimate policy generators, but, if you put the votes for The Greens together with the votes for the ALP, you have a much larger majority than for the Coalition. Majority rules, OK?

    • AT says:

      01:58pm | 26/02/11

      Sigh! I think I have heard everything now a tax on a theory. Those who wish to pay it and believe in this stuff be my guest. Why should I pay for your theory?

      As for the politics, a small percentage of the population voted for the greens (as they are a minor political party, not major) and they have used their leverage balance of power to get what they want very effectively. However, how would you like it if we all became Muslim or Callithumpian or forced to tote guns because of a minority party action?

      Tumultuous 12 months in Aus politics, I feel another spill coming on for people who have no integrity and will do any deal with anyone to stay in power.

      Prime Minister Gillard, you are there to represent us, not betray us. As a swinging voter you have struck out with me.

      Want to be remembered? Take all the boat people and anyone else who wants to come here and do a snowy mountains from the Ord River/NT/Qld/ into the centre of Aus and flood it. New cities, new life, 500 year infrastructure, not stupid taxes on theories.

      As soon as I can, I am gunna hook onto the cause of all the energy price hikes and install solar to get in for my cut as energy costs go through the roof because of what exactly?

    • Warren says:

      02:47pm | 26/02/11

      Becasue @AT you are a tax payer (I’m assuming). Back in the land of the real we don’t get to decide exactly which taxes we want to pay and which we don’t. As or the BS about the green minority and “their leverage balance of power”, the Carbon Tax has been Labor party policy in one form or another for years, and the proposed changes are at the tiny end of the scale to the ones the Greens would really like.

      If both the ALP & NLP took their responsibilities seriously there wouldn’t be a need for the Green party. The environment would be integral to their main policies. Unfortunately they are not, and enough people are worried about what that might mean to make the greens a necessary reality.

    • Gary says:

      02:58pm | 26/02/11

      First up, let me state one fact. I’m a long standing Labor voter (all my adult life). Having said that, I do not for one second believe in man mad climate change.
      Let’s assume, however, just for one mad moment, that man made climate change is real. Australia placing a price on carbon will have about as much impact as a fart in a cyclone. If it was real, there would be absolutely no benefit unless the big polluters, India, China and USA were doing something similar. Guess what people, they ain’t and until they do, please leave me and evryone else get along with our lives without having to pay for something that doesn’t exist.

      If this ETS goes ahead, I’m not voting for Labor any more. Who does that leave me with? I’m in a bind because I’m sure as hell not liking the propect of Abbott being the PM. Maybe I’ll run for PM. My first election promise is to lock up Bob Brown and his dopey and smug deputy Milne and throw away the key. I would then ban the Green party and make them and their supporters all do cummunity service by taking part in controlled burn offs etc.

    • NN says:

      03:03pm | 26/02/11

      The political system in Australia is crumbling before our eyes. 

      Democracy is being stolen and perverted by media managers and spin doctors and the politicians who think that power is all and honesty optional.

      How can so many be fooled by so few so often?

      I feel utterly powerless and deflated by our two party political nightmare and I can only hope this utter farce facilitates the rise of another party that is accountable to the people of Australia.

    • Cricket@thegame says:

      03:06pm | 26/02/11

      The last election was STOLEN by a pack of LYING FRAUDSTERS…... 

      Traitors to Democracy and the Australian people.

    • Steve Smith says:

      04:32am | 27/02/11

      The only fraudster is Tony Abbott, and no matter how much spin you Liberalites put on your false claims of “the last election was stolen”,  it wasn’t.
      The only “Traitors to Democracy and the Australian people” is Tony Abbott and the Liberal National party, and by calling for a “People’s revolt”, Tony Abbott has shown that he is more of a Dictator than the Leader of the Australian Liberal National Opposition party.
      For an Opposition leader to call for a"People’s Revolt’, is something that would be more expect in a tinpot regime overseas, and not in a Democratic Country like Australia.

    • Against the Man says:

      08:45am | 27/02/11

      Gillard lied, given us 2 tax/levy in less than a month, isn’t in control of her government and has had zero policy success, So how about we focus on the current incompetent and corrupt so called PM Gillard, because the opposition isn’t the one that is promoting the Greens/Independents’ agenda and sending to hell in a handbasket.

    • wealth distribution = THEFT says:

      03:16pm | 26/02/11

      Oakes says “...Getting a carbon tax on the books would be the biggie —  especially if it’s in time to show that Abbott’s threats about the sky falling in are hollow….”

      This is NOT about political point scoring.
      This is about the BIGGEST change to our laws, legislation and way of life.

      Journalists with a slither of credibility themselves should be calling Gillard a LIAR and deceiver.  She may like to position herself as some eco warrior but she is an ECO FASCIST. Plain and simple. I hope Australians get angry and stay angry about this lying manipulative Australia-wrecker. A tax of this magnitude should be a matter for the people.

    • beep beep says:

      03:22pm | 26/02/11

      Our Prime Minister IS A LIAR (now that’s a good bumper sticker!)

    • oh brother says:

      03:26pm | 26/02/11

      Politicians have been brazenly lying to the public for many years with no consequences and this latest largest lie is the inevitable end result of the blithe acceptance of such behaviour over many years under the broken effective ‘two party’ system .

      The biggest disappointment in all of this is the role of the independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott who touted that in the new paradigm this sort of behaviour would not continue as government would have to act with greater integrity and more accountability.

      Irrespective of their particular views of climate warming or a carbon tax, these independents are in a position to tell the Labour Government that on this fundamental election issue, if Labour are now diametrically reversing the prior undertaking they gave to the people, they must now take it back to the people for their vote.

      If not, the one chance the Independents have to change the way politics is conducted in Australia will be thrown away.  They will have changed nothing in Australian politics and we will be condemned to a political system without any integrity .

    • Democrat says:

      03:31pm | 26/02/11

      The ‘shock jocks’ certainly got a shock yesterday.  Gillard bested both of them.  What a display it was - to borrow Oakes description of her performance in the Parliament - she was ‘devestatingly effective’  Her responses in Question Time and in the Censure Motion this week have been superb.  Gillard is on the front foot now arguing for what should happen.  The Abbott and his minions are once again arguing for what shouldn’t happen.  A positive is always preferable to a negative.

    • Rudd and Julia - the dream team says:

      03:31pm | 26/02/11

      What would happen if the Liberal Premiers flatly came out and stated their state rejects this tax?  Ted Baillieu and Colin Barnett and soon to be premier Barry O’Farrell have to opportunity to stand up for us all.

      I will cite Western Australia as an example. Colin Barnett holds a press conference. States that if Juliar continues on with this Tax, his government will hold a referendum on ceding from the Commonwealth if the tax passes into law.  That will rock the Country to the core. That will create a crisis in Canberra that will see the tax scrapped.

      I think Colin has the guts to do this.  I think it will shake Juliar to her core.
      And her government will fall. Either she calls an election on the tax or she resigns. Either way, one State government threatening to cede over the tax will be enough for the Labor party to go into panic mode.

      Maintain the rage Australia. 
      She Lied and now she says she didn’t. 
      State premiers, look into it and help get rid of the red witch before she destroys everything the Anzacs fought for.

      http://www.kevinruddthedisaster.com

    • Steve Putnam says:

      09:27am | 27/02/11

      ‘Maintain the rage Australia’ Tony Abbott’s modus operandi. Fills the policy vacuum I guess. Can anyone tell me what the federal oppositions policy is on climate change or taxation? Why don’t some of you Tory bloggers try to explain your position instead of just continually nay-saying anything the government does?
      The overwhelming majority of posters on this site at least are just primitive rebels who feel implacably opposed to things they don’t understand for reasons they can’t articulate. They make statements of mind numbing banality such as ‘get rid of the red witch before she destroys everything the ANZACs fought for’ believing it will resonate with a presumed audience. For the record, anything Gillard (or Abbott for that matter) does is too late to stop The Ottoman Empire from entering the 1st World War on Germany’s side.

    • Joel B1 says:

      03:31pm | 26/02/11

      Heard this morning that petrol is now in. So when it hits $2.50 a litre you can say thanks to Gillard.

      Gillard didn’t even know petrol was in, Milne didn’t either but after a late night last night with a few of the more radical Greens she’s changed her mind> Now you get to be green too and ride a stinking push-bike. (not from the fumes so much as your sweaty body when you rock-up to that important meeting 20 minutes late stinking like a hard session at the gym)


      PS “Sandy says: Oh come on people, politicians change thier minds,”

      Yes Sandy they do, but they usually don’t then spit in the collective faces of the Australian voter by saying “You voted for this tax” FFS

    • Nen says:

      03:36pm | 26/02/11

      “Suddenly Gillard looks like a leader with a plan and she’s firing on all cylinders.”

      There’s only one problem here.
      She has no mandate from the people of Australia.
      Her plan will destroy jobs, destroy the economy, destroy small business and destroy the middle class of this country.

      Laurie, you failed to mention she LIED.

    • Stop Gillard's Carbon Tax says:

      03:40pm | 26/02/11

      Stop Gillard’s Carbon Tax
      Sign this petition.
      Spreading the word to all your friends and family.
      Check facebook and twitter for more info

      http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com

    • Miki says:

      03:45pm | 26/02/11

      I see the vitriolic are out in force today. Young Liberals and Liberal staffers one an all I should imagine. Unfortunately for Gillard it’s not only Liberal hacks that she has a credibility problem with. I have no problem with an emissions tax or ETS. I have no problem with the credibility of anthropogenic global warming. The overwhelming statistical probability from current scientific knowledge in unfortunately puts paid to the somewhat naive and self interested deniers. ( How much happier and easier it would be for us to bury our collective head in the sand. ) What I do have a problem with is Julia Gillard now becoming a devotee of action on climate change after setting up Rudd for a monumental full over the same issue. Grubby self serving politics at it’s worse.
      . I don’t like Gillard, but I have to say Abbott’s comments about her ‘making an honest woman of herself’ and Alan Jones’ tirade were disgusting examples of the sexist bile that spews from the conservative side. Repugnant on all levels.

    • GC Dude says:

      04:05pm | 26/02/11

      Is there any organisation that I can join to vent my utter disgust at the current Govt and in reality both sides of politics? I want to fight this eco bullshit tooth and nail. Anybody want to start a movement?

    • people power says:

      02:32am | 27/02/11

      Best way to proceed is to besiege Labor MPs demanding that they seek a mandate for this new tax. Not to do so would amount to a conspiracy by the parliament against the people.

      Email and call as many MP’s as possible. Don’t give up. Your effort will be one of many and together we can make a difference. Keep up the pressure and expose Gillard for the liar she is.

      Get informed about the issues surrounding this tax and then take every opportunity to discuss it with your family, friends, clients, anyone and everyone you meet. Use networking websites, sign petitions and join protests. Don’t assume someone else can take your place because this will need people power to create a momentum for change.

      Just do it.

    • Lisa Meredith says:

      06:20pm | 27/02/11

      Dear GC Dude,

      The physics and chemistry that explains the greenhouse effect and gives us the technology to measure and map the source of the CO2 rise also gave us fluorescent lights, mobile phones, microwave ovens, TVs, etc, etc. In fact, all of the technology we rely on everyday.

      The nuclear science of radiocarbon dating (which is one way we measure the CO2 rise and attribute its source to fossil fuels) also gives us smoke alarms, nuclear power (and bombs), nuclear medicine. It explains such phenomena as radioactivity and decay, and nuclear fusion (the source of the sun’s power).

      The explanation for the mechanism of the greenhouse effect also explains phosphorescence, photosynthesis, bioluminescence, the solar emission spectrum, in fact any phenomena where photons (and electrons) are absorbed and emitted by atoms and molecules.

    • Holly says:

      06:08pm | 26/02/11

      They all protest too much.  You all know that both Tony Abbott and Greg Hunt support a tax on carbon dioxide emissions.  They supported this position publicly until Minchin and the conservatives persuaded Abbott that he could lead the coalition if he changed his mind.  Of course Tony Abbott is not saying he would repeal the tax.  He knows full well it is necessary for the economic future of this country.  He now has all you stooges shouting and screaming when in fact he is laughing at you all because if and when he ever becomes PM the hard yards will have been done in this area and there is no likelihood that it will be repealed.  But maybe you all already know that and you are all just pretending to be outraged.

    • Adrian of Adelaide says:

      11:53am | 27/02/11

      Holly, I can assure you that as I watch my utility bills skyrocket over the past few years and my salary go backwards in real terms, I’m not ‘pretending to be outraged’ when Gillard now proposes to increase the cost of living even further.

      And I don’t think voters will be ‘pretending’ when they send the ALP to oblivion at the next election. Just count the days Holly…. I sure am.

    • tim says:

      06:14pm | 26/02/11

      When will people wake up that its about filtering the money through the government so they can hand back the money to who they see fit after they take thier cut of course. its called communisim in other countries and its getting worse here every day

    • Seano says:

      06:16pm | 26/02/11

      Alan “cash for comment” Jones had got a hide calling anyone dishonest. The ads for his radio station showing on free to air TV atm should come with an “endorsed by the Liberal party, Canberra” disclaimer. The bloke has zero credibility.

    • Steve Smith says:

      04:14pm | 27/02/11

      Tony Abbott appears to have made ‘shock jock’ Jones his Opposition Minister for propaganda.
      And I agree Seano, Jones is besotted with the Liberal Party, and he can’t ‘help’ them enough during is weeky radio talkback show.
      If it had be Abbott or any other Liberal running late for a interview with Jones, he would have not minded,but because our Prime Minister belongs to another political party, he was rude, arrogant and displayed unprofessional ethics in the way he spoke to, by continually trying to interrupt our elected Prime Minister, before she could finish answering the questions that he asked her.
      Julia Gillard, showed that she wasn’t rattled by Jones, and responded in a calm manner answering the Questions,she showed also that she don’t freeze up or gets lost for words like Tony Abbott the Opposition leader did when he was interviewed by Mark Riley.

    • M.Stone says:

      06:19pm | 26/02/11

      Politicians are proving themselves to obsolete.

      I would happily advocate that Australians begin seeing politicians as “managers” that we have installed to fulfill our wishes, to run our “company” as we decide, to work for the electorate, and not for an ideology. 

      I would happily advocate that we introduce an impeachment system, similar to America’s, so that if a government sees fit to drive us to bankruptcy, we don’t just have to grin an bear it for 4 years, but can replace any representative who ceases to represent us.  It’s time Australians became truly represented by the governments we elect.

      Just see how quickly they would cease playing fast and loose with our money and future, as if they actually owned it, if we could get rid of them when they strayed!!!

    • Steve says:

      06:20pm | 26/02/11

      Abbott the hypocrit.
      A liar throughout his time in government up to the present but that seems to be OK with the commentators?
      So, Gillard changed her mind?
      Who was it that said they are entitled to change their mind when the situation calls for it????
      Tony Abbott of course!
      Abbott has had that many positions on action for CC he could hardly throw stones at others for doing so.
      Let’s face it he has a masters degree on dishonest proclomations.
      Folks should really read the fine print on the Coalitions environmental policy.
      It makes the possibility of a speculated $300pyear sound very modest.
      Their policy makes no provision for compensation for consumers & the entire cost is loaded onto the taxpayers.

    • Bryan says:

      06:24pm | 26/02/11

      The winners - if you can call them that - in this lie that Gillard has told, and yet continues to try and convince everybody that she didn’t are the Greens. This party of num nuts that have been trying to make themselves a talking point have now got the attention of both parties, for the wrong reasons. The ALP and the LNP can be thankful to their ill discipline that they have both shown. In the electorate and within their own parties.

      I watched in amazement when Barrie Cassidy interviewed Hanson Young last week on Insiders. The only thing Cassidy didn’t do was polish Hanson Youngs shoes or give her tactical advice. Not a serious policy question in sight just the usual inane banter about the ALP and the opposition. On the Drum today Cassidy makes the comment

      Alan Jones’ website today was running a poll : Do you want a carbon tax? It was running at 98.7% against. Do you think that represents a cross section of the country?

      Let me ask Cassidy the question – a good 85 percent of the country do not want the Greens in power – at what point in the political debate will some political journalists start doing their job and looking at the Australia wide effects of true Green ethos? Where do you believe the cross section of the country is when it comes to the Greens?

    • Ron E Coote says:

      06:34pm | 26/02/11

      I listened to both interviews (Jones, and Mitchell), and they had her in a corner the entire time… All I could think while hearing her talking, was that this woman is completely delusional, or has a hide like a rhinoceros, or both.
      Particularly galling was Gillard dismissing any questions about her big stinking LIE, as an argument about semantics, and then getting all careful about saying “price impacts” instead of price rises, when referring to her proposed tax.
      No spin, mind you. She’s a real straight shooter, old Jooo-LIAR!

    • nosthow says:

      06:54pm | 26/02/11

      Interesting to note that yesterday Laurie, Abbott refused to confirm when asked if he would repeal the carbon tax - I bet he wouldnt ! He knows that whoever is PM will be called on in the near future to put a price on carbon - in the meantime he can play Dr No till hes blue in the face but god forbid if he ever became PM he wont take the tax off !

    • BobM says:

      01:22pm | 27/02/11

      Well nosthow, if Abbott does become PM and doesn’t take the tax off, you should be very happy. It’s a win, win for tree huggers like yourself then, isn’t it?

    • nossy says:

      02:33pm | 27/02/11

      @BobM - if Abbott ever becomes PM Bobby I am off to NZ - at least they have a sensible Lib as PM there unlike the nutter Abbott !  ahahahahahah

    • Louisa says:

      04:10pm | 27/02/11

      Nossy

      I am sure that a number of people would chip in for you to go to NZ.  How soon can you pack?

      I guess that you can still access your welfare benefits from there

    • nossy says:

      07:21pm | 27/02/11

      @Louisa - rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr   - wow that was catty Louisa - I think I like you honey !  Come to the shaky isles with your nossy ! hahaahhahaha

    • James says:

      07:20pm | 26/02/11

      The announcement of this carbon tax that follows hotly on the heels of the PM’s most recent flood levy leads me to believe that some major wheeling and dealing has been going down behind the scenes by the Greens and the PM in order for her to get her main baby, the flood levy, to be passed in Parliament.

      The Greens may have played hardball about it, and the PM thought she had no choice if she wanted her flood tax to get through.

      If this is the case, then I think that the Greens may have outsmarted themselves, though they’re probably too busy patting themselves on the back at the moment to see things this way. Which is that by forcing the PM to announce a carbon tax, so soon after the announcement of the flood tax - not just one, but two new taxes in a row - well no voter that I know would be thrilled to hear about that, and they’d smell the rat being the Greens that’s behind it all.

      Subsequently no one’s going to be too happy with Bob Brown’s mob (save perhaps a few diehards supporters), or with the PM for allowing herself to be strong-armed into this most unpopular position.

      While I don’t necessarily disagree with the introduction of a carbon price as such, perhaps the whole timing of pushing it through right now is a bit off, given the need to raise money at the moment to help rebuild Queensland’s flood-affected areas, and I feel that the Greens sniffed the opportunity and went for it, and backed the PM into this perhaps rather alarming corner that we all now find ourselves in.

      I do wish that politicians would spend less time pushing their own agenda and think more about the interests of the people in general, before they go around making rather drastic changes that would bring about such tremendous consequences to the lives of the people that they’re supposed to represent.

    • poa says:

      10:53am | 27/02/11

      Its over 2 years since the infamous “days to act/ Greatest moral challenge of the generation” and the ALP government did NOTHING.
      Its 2 weeks since they recieved an internal ALP report saying they risk losing their core support tpo the Green and we have a Carbon tax.
      This isn’t about saving the planet, or even Australia. This is about saving Gillard and the ALP .
      After all..her fate may well be decided by how badly the ALP polls in NSW, and she really does just have “days to act”.
      Pity Australia will get a new tax just for her self-preservation.

    • mdh says:

      11:18am | 27/02/11

      Julia didn’t lie.

      She said “There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead”.

      So go easy, she is obviously not the one leading this government…

    • persephone says:

      11:37am | 27/02/11

      If the Liberals

      1. Believe, as they say, that climate change is real and that action is necessary;
      and
      2. Believe that the Greens’ influence on the government and on carbon pricing in particular is detrimental to Australia’s best interests

      the solution is obvious.

      The Liberal vote in the HoR and the Senate is enough that, if they voted with the government, to make the Greens irrelevant.

      Thus, if the Liberals want to deprive the Greens of interest, tackle climate change and act in the best interests of all Australians, they should sit down with the government to negotiate (as they did before) alternative action on climate change.

      If they’re not prepared to do this, this just demonstrates that either they don’t really believe 1 and 2 above, or that they’re putting their own political agendas ahead of the good of the country.

    • mmr 27 Feb2011 says:

      12:28pm | 27/02/11

      Labor will win the next federal election.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      02:20pm | 27/02/11

      Hey mmr 27,

      Not with Uncle Bob and the 3 soft cock amigos in charge of the labor party.
            P.S stay tuned for the next Episode of,    ” Uncle Bob Says”

    • Harquebus says:

      01:50pm | 27/02/11

      Only one thing wrong. Climate change is not Australia’s most pressing problem. Peak oil and over population is.

    • Dr B S Goh says:

      01:50pm | 27/02/11

      I spend most of my academic life as an environment scientist and became one because of the Mother of All Environment Movement “Silent Spring” by R Carson.

      I am in favor of well thought out plans to save the world from global warming and more importantly unsustainable global population. My main objections to the proposed carbon tax are: i) It is useless without the major nations doi8ng something effective. Thus we must not throw away our bargaining chip to get the major nations to do effective actions on global warming. ii) This unilateral tax on carbon will disadvantage the Australian Economy.

      I am shocked to read in the media that the Prime Minister and staff have not sought any advice from the Australian Chief Scientist. Is global warming a scientific issue or a purely political issue?

    • Brian M says:

      07:50pm | 27/02/11

      Its actually just an opportunity to raise revenue. The climate change bit is just there for show.

    • Holly says:

      03:23pm | 27/02/11

      Adrian above - you have watched things go backwards under this government.  Well if you have a mortgage interest rates are still lower than under previous government.  If you are a low or middle income earner you will be paying up $1500 less tax than you were 3 years ago.  If you are a pensioner you will have had you first real pension increase in years.  The prices of many staple food items have actually dropped.

      Yes utilities are going up but I have yet to have it explained to me how state and private utilities who have not invested in upgrades and expansion are not to blame for this.  And of course everyone wanting plasma tv and electricity guzzling split cycle air conditioners has increased demand which has put up prices.  Maybe we could blame Gerry Harvey for that one - it would make as much sense.

      I note most people are skirting around the fact that Tony Abbott until a few days before he knifed Malcolm Turnbull, 1) believed in climate change and 2)supported the legislation which was negotiated in a bi partisan arrangement with the Labor party.  As far as I am concerned he is the blatant political opportunist here.

    • frank robb says:

      03:25pm | 27/02/11

      “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, regardless of spin, this is the greatest lie ever perpertrated on the australian electorate. how even the most brainwashed laborite can justify it is beyond me

    • Mike Mudgee says:

      03:37pm | 27/02/11

      Labor didn’t have the guts to make the tough decision without a bit of pushing from the Greens. Therefore in years to come when the post-carbon economy is accepted as the norm and all this angst has faded into nothing it should be The Greens who go down as the real leaders.  Historical perspective will vindicate them.

    • Rossco says:

      04:00pm | 27/02/11

      JOOOLIA, oh JOOOOLIA where for art thou JOOOLIA! that will be the catch cry at the next election. If you think that the Australian public is dumb enough to swallow all this Greens crap and allow Milne and Brown to go on playing running the government the background, you are very much mistaken. We may not be the smartest on earth, BUT, we smell dog crap from a mile away. TIM Flannery, thinker in residence, climate change alarmist or just big share holder in Geo thermal get rich quick scheme. Please hurry the next election, labor just blew it’s head off. Get the tinny back out Tim, the river has plenty of water in it or havent you noticed? you wally!

    • Lisa Meredith says:

      05:01pm | 27/02/11

      Dear Rossco,

      It is necessary to separate the science of physics and chemistry, which explains the greenhouse effect and the 33% rise in CO2 since 1750, from the predictions of climate science. This is the same science responsible for all the technology we use every day.

      The climate science predictions attempt to map the impact of AGW over the next 100 years using probabilities and trends. It cannot predict weather events. We cannot use it to prove or disprove AGW.

      We must remember that natural climate change is ongoing and AGW will affect this, but it will not become the sole cause of climate change going forward.

      If we wish to look at the paymasters of climate scientists, we ought to analyse both sides of the AGW debate, and the media.

      We can use politics and economics to argue policy and comment, not science

    • Shelley says:

      04:02pm | 27/02/11

      This quote best describes PM Brown, Gillard, and the LLL ( Lost Labor Lemons.)
      When charming leftists stick their nose into things they don’t understand they become ratchet-jawed purveyors of monkey-doodle and baked wind. They are piddlers upon merit, beggars at the door of accomplishment, thieves of livelihood, envy coddling tax lice applauding themselves for giving away other people’s money. They are the lap dogs of the poly sci-class, returning to the vomit of collectivism. They are pig herders tending that sow-who-eats-her-young, the welfare state. They are muck-dwelling bottom-feeders growing fat on the worries and disappointments of the electorate. They are the ditch carp of democracy.
      http://tizona.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/australias-carbon-tax-brought-to-you-by-julias-ratchet-jawed-purveyors-of-monkey-doodle-and-baked-wind/

    • Richard says:

      09:42pm | 27/02/11

      A-hahahahahaha! That one’s going straight to the pool room :-D

    • Andy says:

      04:15pm | 27/02/11

      Best bet of the year:

      Waratahs for Super 15 title, Wallabies for World Cup title and Federal Election 2011 due to Labor infighting and replacing of Gillard. Nice little earner.

    • Aasq says:

      05:19pm | 27/02/11

      I don’t care about the first two, Andy, but I’ll have as much as you like on the last one. Bookmarked. See you on December 31st.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:38pm | 27/02/11

      If you had to pay full price, no Government rebates, and the feed in tariff was the same as the feed out tariff, how many people would have a Solar PV panel?

    • woolycrow says:

      08:53pm | 27/02/11

      Most of the comments here seem to miss the real point.  It doesn’t really matter who said what and when and if anybody lied.  The fact is, all politicians do, and point scoring about which is the biggest or most balatant lie is a sheer waste of energy. When we get the election result we did and end up with a hung Parliament, all bets are off and the pragmatists face reality and get on with dealing with that and not what might have been.  Second, what we need is an intelligent debate about the issues.  Tony Abbott and his crew have steadfastly refused to contribute to an intelligent debate on any matter of substance in a very long time.  He and his mob are purely about opposition for the sake of opposition and that is an abject waste of around 50% of the elected membership of Parliament.  Julia always said there would be a price on carbon.  Based on the evidence available, I think that definitely needs to be part of the solution. What we all need to focus on now is getting the best oucomes on an issue that is importnant for Australia and the rest o fthe world.  I personally think that, if done right, this can be a positive thing for Australia’s economy and standard of living.  The doomsayers will be right if they don’t make a positive contribution to the debate.

    • MarK says:

      11:53pm | 27/02/11

      Self-serving and incorrect analysis.

      You yourself are actually lying. Julia lied. You are lying to justify.

      Pathetic

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      12:40am | 28/02/11

      Spread the word,
      The fight will begin.
      Mass rallies to be held in every capital city on March 23 to fight carbon tax.

      Say No and Tell gilly to go and stick Her no mandate carbon tax , where the sun dont shine.

    • Gary01 says:

      08:07am | 28/02/11

      Why is it that we the public pay $millions annually for EPAs in every state to manage pollution levels, that companies pay fees to be able to operate hazardous environmental activities, yet this resource is not able to identify pollution and process that should be changed?  Why cant the EPA introduce review of polluting activities?  Commercial in confidence is the line the public are given.  What rubbish!  How stupid are we to be maintaining extensive public administration that is doing nothing.  That has no legislated requirement to ensure risk to the public is minimised.  Dont tell me we need a tax to do this.  Dont tell me the “market” will get it right.  THE MARKET HAS SO FAR NOT APPROACHED REDUCING POLLUTION.  It will change by introducing a tax.  EPAs cannot engage compliance in existing licensing conditions.  Why will company assessments of their pollution be accurate?  We are being taken for another ride…

    • James says:

      10:46am | 28/02/11

      Q:  Who brought in the GST after saying “never ever”

    • Dman says:

      11:04pm | 28/02/11

      Sounds like some manufactured outrage here (dutifully reported and amplified by some lazy media).  JG before the election stated on several occasions that she wouldn’t introduce a “carbon tax” - but she maintained her ETS policy and stated widely that she would seek to introduce a “carbon price” (the Australian newspaper made a big deal out of this, as you would expect).  Silly semantics yes, but no-one who picked up a newspaper more than once during 2009-2010 would honestly think that carbon pricing was off the table.  Compare this with the Coalition who campaigned for an ETS in the 2007 election, painstakingly negotiated an ETS throughout 2008, and then reneged at the last minute and has attempted to wreck any such scheme ever since.

      After the election (Oct 2010) she puts together her “Climate Committee” gang (inviting Coalition to join, duly rejected) with the stated (and widely reported) aim of deciding the best way of pricing carbon. Gee I wonder where this is all leading….

      Flash forward to this week - JG announces an intention to legislate an ETS (as promised) with an interim carbon price (as promised and widely reported before and after the election) and then, under questioning, concedes that this will have a similar effect to a “carbon tax”. 

      And we are told that it only a this moment, upon the uttering of these magical words, that the electorate suddenly realises that it was Labor’s intention to price carbon?  That Alan Jones et al never saw it coming? Is he the stupidest person in Australia? or the least informed? or the most disingenous? Heck, why stop at one or two of the above.

      If people are against a carbon price/tax/ETS whatever, that is their choice. However to say that this issue has somehow come out of the blue or that this represents a change in Labor policy is simply indefensible by logic or the facts.

    • Ian Rivlin says:

      03:26pm | 05/03/11

      If anyone is interested (I doubt it..) they can read an erudite article on how CO2 can’t affect the atmosphere. AGW proponents will no doubt assume the science is faulty but that generally is said because AGW proponents are weak willed, of low IQ and very easily led.
      Anyway, for the more intelligent reader, who likes to check the validity of a cause, before embracing it body and soul, check out:-
      http://venturaphotonics.com/GlobalWarming.html

    • Peter says:

      05:27pm | 05/09/11

      After reading the many posts on “The Punch” about Carbon, it is amusing how many of us write like children trying to excuse the mistakes of the current government. It is a bit like a naughty child who does something wrong and tries to get away with it by saying, yes I was bad but brother Johnny did something bad too.

      Still what is happening at the moment is a bit more serious so it is good that both sides of the argument take the time and trouble to air their views. Still you have got to consider this do you really want to have our current government introduce another tax that will achieve nothing and continue to rise as time passes.

      Just like the GST tax since it’s inception it has and will continue to rise. Still at 10% but as prices rise so will the amount of revenue collected from GST rise.

      Added to this it is not just a matter of 10%. Simple example. Property owner registered for GST charges rent. 10% GST paid by tenant, The property owner then spends money on goods, further 10%, person who sold the goods to the property owner with his margin of profit goes shopping or pays for power, further 10% GST and so on all down the line.

      We do have direct action at the moment, Solar power, wind power, hydro power, electric cars, Canberra a garden city, millions of gardens and parks, marine parks, national parks. Plant a tree, clean up Australia Etc Etc. So why do some people think a pointless tax will fix the problem of climate change.

      So if you are one of the minority that thinks a tax is good and money will alter the weather instead of raving on why don’t you contact your bank and arrange a weekly direct debit to the government and put your money where your mouth is.

      As for myself and the majority of Australians who see the real truth of the charade we may even be hit by the effect of a carbon tax but will simply see it as another revenue raiser by government.

      Maybe when the run out of carbon the future campaign will be against hydrogen in seawater and nitrogen in our atmosphere.

      Personally the current government under Kevin Rudd made a lot of wide sweeping statements about what his party intended to do about the environment. I looked at the simplest of these promises. We will take plastic bags out of the environment. Never happened. Thank God I still need bin liners and when I take the dog for a walk need a plastic bag to put the dogs ‘climate change from man made carbon’ in.

 

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