I’ve never been in a fight. I’m not the macho, hot-headed type.

You did NOT say that about my tie. Picture: Thinkstock

I get angry, to be sure. People piss me off sometimes. But with the exception of a defenceless real estate sign I beat up when I was 18 (I was pissed, I woke up my mother, I lied about it, she knew it, there were some awkward silences), I don’t channel that anger through my fists.

I may placate; I may be a “pussy”. I may have been called soft a couple of times when I’ve talked mates back from the edge of conflict. But I’m proud to say I walk away, and I always have.

Last week my colleagues at news.com.au and I launched Real Heroes Walk Away - a campaign against senseless violence. We were all horrified by what happened to Thomas Kelly. And to Luke Adams before him. And to David Mitchell and Matthew Stanley. And my brother.

About 10 years ago I woke up one morning to discover my brother nursing a hangover and a shattered jaw. The only thing he’d done wrong was to go out drinking with his mates the night before.

As he stood outside a club in Brisbane, waiting to go in, a drunk bloke was heading out the door. Ejected. For being a dickhead. This dickhead was angry and took that anger out on the first guy he saw. That guy was my brother, an unsuspecting, unprovoked victim of a king hit.

It may sound selfish but the first thing I think about every time I hear a king hit story is: “gee, my brother was lucky”. Sure, he was unlucky in the sense that he was badly injured and traumatised. But he was far luckier in the sense that he woke up the next day. Last week I spoke to a father whose son never woke up from a king hit. The consequences are tragic.

The second thing I think is this: “one punch can kill someone? Shit. What if I’d done that?”

Like I said before, I’ve never thrown a punch. But what if I was ever to find myself in a situation where I had to go to the aid of a mate being bashed or some drunk douchebag punched my girlfriend? You never think you’re going to be the person who throws that fatal punch, but the truth is it could be any single one of us. And it could be the very first punch we ever throw.

You can’t legislate against dickheads. So that’s why, with Real Heroes Walk Away, we’re appealing to everyone else. We need to take responsibility for our actions. We need to understand that we can’t afford to get to a point where we end up throwing that first ever punch. Because we all know now that one punch can kill.

Some people have commented on our campaign saying that we’re telling people to turn their back on conflict. We’re not at all encouraging people to walk idly by while someone’s being assaulted. That’s cowardly. And we’re not suggesting that guys like Thomas Kelly or my brother could have done anything differently.

What we are saying is that we all need to have the courage and the foresight to walk away from trouble well before it starts. We’re saying: don’t be that guy. Don’t be the guy that reacts to some thug mouthing off. Don’t be the guy that fires up over a spilled beer.

Be the guy that walks away, even if your mates are calling you a pussy. Like that father whose son never woke up told me: “I’d rather be a live coward than a dead hero.”

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    • M says:

      07:11am | 02/08/12

      Discretion is the better part of valour - Shakespeare

    • acotrel says:

      08:35am | 02/08/12

      ‘I’ve never been in a fight. I’m not the macho, hot-headed type. ‘

      I would be ashamed to make that comment. Sometimes it is ‘survival of the fittest’ . A good fight clears the air, and you can get back to rationality. But a king hit is not a fight , it is cowardice.  A fight where you face off against someone takes bravery.

    • Borderer says:

      08:38am | 02/08/12

      My instructor’s first lesson was “when in doubt, step out”, this from a man who can shatter a brick with his bare hands.

    • acotrel says:

      09:01am | 02/08/12

      There should be a nice long jail term as a reward for delivering a king hit, it is cowardly and dangerous. If you get into an open fight, you know you are going to get hurt, but the exercise could be worth it.  To king hit someone achieves nothing, and proves nothing except that you are a piss-weak coward.

    • M says:

      09:08am | 02/08/12

      I’ve been in enough fights to know that sometimes it really is over nothing. But if someone assaults me first, all bets are off. They just forefitted their right to safety as far as I’m concerned.

    • Rose says:

      09:10am | 02/08/12

      Sorry Acotrel but you are so wrong, being able to get through life without having to resort to violence is something to be proud of. Being in fights is what you should be ashamed of.
      Having the brains, self-respect and strength to walk away makes you a bigger man than being the dickhead who starts throwing punches thinking that somehow fighting equates to manhood. There may be the odd occasion when self-defence is necessary, but only enough to get away, not to beat the other to a pulp. Real men recognize that there is trouble brewing and get themselves and those they care about away before it blows up.

    • Budz says:

      09:12am | 02/08/12

      @acotrel:
      It is that type of old school thinking that leads to the dog/king hits that happen these days. By just making it OK to have a punch up in any scenario (apart from sport), you then make it OK just to hit someone if they spill your drink. I heard the Grill Team on Triple M also saying you can’t do a king hit, but with a normal fight it’s OK.
      How on earth is it OK? You can still end up with one punch killing someone. Is that the type of society we want to live in?

      I think this is an attitude that needs to change too.

    • ADOLPH STALIN says:

      09:16am | 02/08/12

      I disagree acotrel,,i am a soldier and i know the best battle is one you never had to fight.I truly wish i had never experianced any form of violence in my life because it is ugly and there is no winner only a loser,i would be proud to say i have never had a fight if i was him,nice people make a nice world,violent people make a world were you have to pay people like me to bad things wether i want to or not so the good people can be safe.shame on these idiots who have bought this kind of thing into our world,ps i hope i dont sound like i am making myself out to be a hero i have done nothing special i am just 1 of 1000,s of soldiers

    • Pete says:

      09:30am | 02/08/12

      Acotrel, that is a meathead comment. Maybe it’s a troll to get a rise, but it’s worked.
      So if something pisses you off at a pub you can’t just shrug it off? And some other dude who accidentally spilt your drink, or cut in line, or even just made a little joke now has to put up with someone wanting to fight?

      Yours is the type of attitude the whole campaign is against, not just kinghits.
      Pull your head in. If you want to fight, take up boxing.

    • Phillb says:

      10:23am | 02/08/12

      i will call the middle line here.  Avoiding fights at all cost is cowardice but the flip side is you don’t go looking for trouble either.  There are times to walk away and times to step in.
      If I see a bloke laying into a woman or child I have and will step in.  Walking away from something liek that and trying to take any moral high ground is joke.
      The flip side is if someone shoots their mouth at me, 9 times out of ten I will laugh at them and walk away.
      Neither “All fights are bad” and “Sometimes you need a good fight” are right.  As always there is a grey area.

    • Kika says:

      11:45am | 02/08/12

      Acotrel - that’s the attitude we’re trying to get rid of it. NO, it’s not ok to ‘man up’ and smash someone in the face because you feel like it’s justified. Violence is wrong. Full stop. Encouraging young men to ‘man up’ and get aggro is fuelling the increase in drunk and drug related violence we get on the streets these days.

    • a bit rude says:

      12:34pm | 02/08/12

      Phillb let me guess you are a big guy and to walk away all the time is cowardice? Hmm, yes, how about you wise up a bit and stop feeding the trolls, me thinks you like to bully where you can and run away when you can

    • subotic burns your bed says:

      02:54pm | 02/08/12

      Better to die on your feet than live on your knees - Midnight Oil

    • St. Michael says:

      03:22pm | 02/08/12

      You do realise we elected that idiot to our Parliament, subotic?

    • Phillb says:

      05:19pm | 02/08/12

      a bit rude - Yep, I am big bloke but a pretty placid one.  And I stand by my statement, if you won’t stand up for a woman, child or anybody else defenceless you are a coward.  You can try to justify your cowardice however you want (“It’s smarter to wait for the police”, “She might have deserved it” etc…) but it means nothing.
      Read my statement again, I have no qualms about walking away from someone starting on me but violence is sometimes required to defend those that can’t defend themselves.

    • acotrel says:

      05:59am | 03/08/12

      @Pete
      The public bars in pubs are places I avoid like the plague.  The idiots are always there, and they give me the shits ! If anyone comes the bounce with me, I always walk away if possible, but it is not always possible.  If it comes to a fight , it is always their choice and choices have consequences.
      @Adolph Stalin, you obviously never had a drink in the Sargeant’s Mess.
      Do you think the people in Syria today, can walk away from their fight ?  Our world is not like that.  We have an entrenched culture of bullying by control freaks, and that is not going t o change in the short term.

    • acotrel says:

      06:12am | 03/08/12

      @Kika
      When I was 23, I was attacked by a gang of about 12 youths in the main street of South Caulfield in Melbourne. They we trying to kick me to death.  Because they were falling over each other,  I beat them.  But I now have no bottom front teeth. Teach your kids to fight or you could lose them.  The old style boxing schools had something going for them. Regardless of how you believe the world should be, it is still ‘survival of the fittest’ !
      This stuff about running away from fights because it leads to world wars is bullshit.  Wars are supported by taxpayers like yourself, and started by your elected representatives like John Howard and George Bush.  I would go so far as to say neither of them are real men !  Nobody who’s been in a real fight would start a global conflict. You just don’t go looking for that stuff.

    • ace leo ace says:

      07:28am | 02/08/12

      “You never think you’re going to be the person who throws that fatal punch… And it could be the very first punch we ever throw.”

      wow never thought of it like that, great point actually.

    • Listen Toots says:

      09:22am | 02/08/12

      That was the line that caught my attention too. Great food for thought thank you Chris:)

    • Ellie says:

      10:46am | 02/08/12

      I agree, but it also makes me sad because I would like to think that nice, normal people who are purely acting in self defence or defending one of their mates or girlfriend who is being assaulted would never be classed in the same category as the thugs and losers who go around trying to hurt people on purpose. It is so awful what happened to Thomas Kelly and those like him, but actually gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling to think of the trashbag who did this getting his comeuppance in kind.

      I had an ex boyfriend many years ago who was being hero worshipped which turned into harrasment at a club by a guy who had been a few years below him at school. In an attempt to escape, my ex left the club but was followed outside by this douche and his mates who then surrounded him and started some trouble. In self defence, my ex gave him one punch which broke his jaw. I have no issues with this. If you have never punched someone before, how are you supposed to know how much force to use?

    • wakeuppls says:

      07:34am | 02/08/12

      “I’ve never been in a fight. I’m not the macho, hot-headed type.”

      Take it from someone who isn’t an idiot. Sometimes it is unavoidable. If you stand there and for example let your girlfriend/wife get assaulted or simply get assaulted yourself and try to “walk away”, that is cowardice.

      When someone chooses to assault someone else, they forfeit their human rights. If self defence or defence of someone else results in their death, then that’s too bad. Better them than us.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      08:23am | 02/08/12

      Agree you have the right to defend yourself and loved ones and in a lot of situations unfortunatelly it will already be too late to use words or to walk away.  However I think the article is saying to walk away in those situations where it is possible i.e someone calls you a dickhead or deliberately tries to provoke you into aggression.

      A couple of years ago I got off the train after midnight at a my very small and dark suburban train station.  I had a group of teenagers approach me and hassle me for money.  I was in the carpark with minimal lighting and I was walking home so there was no car.  I stayed calm and eventually just gave them $20.  One of them wanted to take my wallet but the main guy told them to leave me alone and they walked away,

      If I had told them to F Off or had been aggressive to them I would not only have had my wallet stolen but I can bet you I also would have had the shite beaten out of me.

      I think that sort of thing is the main point of the article and this petition.

    • xar says:

      08:36am | 02/08/12

      that is some deep macho bullsh*t, unless your life is at stake and you can not simply walk/run away then all you are doing is escalating a situation and letting your desire to appear like some alpha male protector blind you to just how unromantic you’ll feel if you actually kill someone. THE SECOND you throw a punch you make the situation less safe, not more. If your wife is assulted or you are, get the heck out of there and call the cops, it is their job to file charges not yours to go vigilante.

    • fml says:

      09:11am | 02/08/12

      xar,

      “THE SECOND you throw a punch you make the situation less safe, not more.”

      Could that be said for the moment you produce a weapon to protect yourself?

    • Borderer says:

      09:28am | 02/08/12

      Violence is a tricky business, outside the controlled environment of the ring or dojo, anything can happen, even to experienced practioners such as myself.
      I avoid fights, I’ve seen too many and been in to many not to know that anything goes.
      That being said, not wanting to fight does not mean you won’t get hit so preparedness is strength as is street smarts.
      Rules
      1) Don’t argue, agree with whatever they spin and leave
      2) Don’t hang around, if you have an argument with someone, leave immediately, idiots tend to have to work themselves up to violence, they also ring friends and improvise weapons.
      3) Hands up, palms out, not only a placating gesture but also your hands are in position to block should the need arise.
      4) If walking, walk briskly, people don’t have as much balance to throw a proper punch if you’re in motion. You aren’t as unbalanced as if you’re running either.
      5) Learn to judge reach, if someone is two metres away they can’t punch you, if they are 1.5metres or less then they can, at which time see rule 3.
      6) Never ever be afraid to call the police, being a hero can land you in court or hospital. Also reporting the description of a violent aggitated person may mean they are picked up rather than punching some poor kid just walking down the street.
      To use Waynes example
      Group “Give us some money”
      Wayne *picks up mobile, dials 000*
      Wayne “Police, I am at XYZ railway station, a group of 4 males are demanding money”
      Really now the pressure is on the perp, do they try and bash you out of revenge? The police are on their way as far as they are concerned and the clock is ticking (reminding them of that can’t hurt), they haven’t commited an offence in the eyes of the law yet (reminding them of that can’t hurt either), the cops have a description if anything happens and you can still give them your wallet with a better chance of getting it back. Putting the phone on speaker can also help, it may mean the responding car has a heavier foot but the operator will also be aware of what’s happening, you can defend yourself and give descriptions (see the movie TAKEN as an extreme example).
      7) If driving and someone is following you in an aggressive manner, don’t drive erratically, drive to the nearest police station. Don’t panic, if a light is going red, drive slowly up to them, don’t stop you don’t have to out race them, you just don’t want to stop.
      8) No amount of money is worth your life, if you have to, throw your wallet or purse on the ground and leg it, they will hopefully be happy with that and not be interested in violence, sexual or otherwise, do not had them anything as you are more likely to get a smack in the head.

    • Draconian says:

      09:31am | 02/08/12

      @xar,  So you would watch your Mum, sister, girlfriend etc be beat up and possibly killed rather than attempting to help them?  Good one sunshine.  Nice to see pacifism at large.  I suppose if it was you getting beat up, you’d just stand there and let it happen too?

    • M says:

      09:36am | 02/08/12

      ” If your wife is assulted or you are, get the heck out of there and call the cops, it is their job to file charges not yours to go vigilante. “

      Mate, i’ll avoid conflict where I can, but if someone assaults me then all bets are off.

    • iansand says:

      09:37am | 02/08/12

      fml - If the other bloke produces a weapon, yes.  And how can you know he does not have a weapon?

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      09:39am | 02/08/12

      “get the heck out of there”

      It’s not normal to watch your wife getting beaten and say: 

      “Well, what a jolly spot of bother this is!  Staunch the bleeding dear and next time give them a stern word so that they know you’ll call the police, should you survive!”

      Or perhaps…

      “You, ruffians!  Desist now or I shall call the authorities!  My wife does not appreciate being kicked to death, do you hear me?  I say!”

    • Rose says:

      09:55am | 02/08/12

      fml I’m pretty sure the answer to that is yes. I remember reading somewhere that having a weapon and bringing it out in conflict increased the chances of causing your own death or serious injury. There’s a good chance that if you have a weapon that you can be overpowered and have your weapon turned on you, there’s also a good chance that a perpetrator who only ever intended to intimidate with their weapon will now use it in an escalated confrontation.
      If you’re going to fight back you had better be damn sure you can win because otherwise you’re in far worse trouble. If possible I would go with trying to defuse the situation, hand over the cash if that’s what they’re after just so you get the chance to walk away.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:46am | 02/08/12

      “When someone chooses to assault someone else, they forfeit their human rights. If self defence or defence of someone else results in their death, then that’s too bad. Better them than us.”

      I’m sorry to tell you that the gentlemen in nice blue collared shirts with the guns, cuffs, and tasers will take a rather different view.  The chap who assaults you might have nothing to live for, but you, in most cases, do.

    • philip says:

      12:10pm | 02/08/12

      xar if your wife or anyone that you know is ever assaulted in front of you and you dont do anything to aqt least attempt to protect them, chances are you will be seen as a coward and not worth knowing there are times when it is appropriate to defend yourself,others or your property no law can override that natural instinct for self preservation, id rather go down fighting and give as good as I get than walk away from someone who needs that help than be seen as someone who when the shyte hits the fan cant be relied upon, thats why I think that all this bs about real heroes walking away is just naive feel good thinking as a measure of a man is how much help he can give his mates no matter what kind of help is requiired wether its the usual help around with yard work or wether its in a fight that you or your mates didnt start.

      By the way I dont condone violence as a first resort it should always be used as a last resort.

    • M says:

      01:31pm | 02/08/12

      St Micheal, I’ll take my chances.

    • Gomez12 says:

      02:33pm | 02/08/12

      Just a thought to throw in the pot.

      Isn’t standing there and doing nothing while someone is being assaulted a crime in itself?

      Aren’t we required to render aid where possible to our fellow citizens?

    • Rossco says:

      07:37am | 02/08/12

      Your campaign is good, but will have no impact on the dickheads you are targeting - I dont think they read the paper or take much notice of the media.

    • Mike says:

      09:07am | 02/08/12

      I agree. Breeders will breed and raise semi trained animals that they then release into the wild at 14 where they begin to breed with other mongrels that they meet on the streets. Then a few of them will get the idea that because others are polite and civil, this means that they can scream, curse and physically assault others with little risk of retribution. Then as they grow even older, they learn that if a copper twists their arm just a little too hard, they’re allowed to claim brutality and make that copper lose a job.

    • Beverley says:

      11:52am | 02/08/12

      I agree.  It’s disappointing that so much focus is spent on an “educational awareness campaign”.  When, in reality, education is not the problem.  Every person knows that violence kills.  Every person knows that alcohol can lead to violence.  But possibly most important, is that every person, including children) knows that when a person is unconscious in the gutter, bleeding, what they need is an ambulance - NOT an additional 20 kicks to the head.  Everybody KNOWS this - you can’t blame a lack of education.  Education is not the problem.  The problem is attitude.  These thugs just don’t care.  They. Just. Don’t. Care.  Of course, attitudes are much harder to change.  Sending violent thugs to etiquette class, or waving a petition in their face with 100,000 signatures (nay, a million signatures) is not going to make any impact whatsoever.  They. Just. Don’t. Care.  So how do we _make_ them care?  Let’s stop letting off perpetrators of violence with a slap on the wrist.  They may not care about the well-being of their victim, but if they know that whatever pain they cause their victim will be revisited on them three-fold, then they might stop and think for a second.  The consequences of applying violence should be significantly worse than the consequences of the original violence upon the original victim.  At the moment, there is very little downside to being the violence thug and a much larger downside to being the victim, therefore everybody wants to ‘win’ and get their shot in first.

    • mick says:

      01:18pm | 02/08/12

      Same comment i was scrolling through the page to make.  The not quite people who behave like this don’t see the world as everyone else does.

    • steve says:

      01:31pm | 02/08/12

      @Mike
      “breeders”, nice case of heterophobia you have there buddy

    • Hambone says:

      01:48pm | 02/08/12

      Three strikes and you lose a testicle might be a good way to go. Cut back on the testosterone might be enough to encourage them to calm down a little. Another strike and you lose the other one, lets face it, we don’t really want people like this in the gene pool anyway do we?

    • Tim says:

      07:48am | 02/08/12

      This is a good sentiment, I just wonder how many of the ‘dickheads’ care whether you’re willing to walk away.
      In the case of king hits, how exactly are you supposed to walk away.

    • Bob H says:

      07:54am | 02/08/12

      Years ago I got into a drunken brawl in Thailand and ended up in jail. It was scary, filthy and the worst hell. It lasted about 3 weeks but it was a wake up call. I do believe you can legislate against dickheads. If you do the crime please do the time and make sure it is not in anyone’s comfort zone. Change will happen very fast. Next time you’re in Singapore of
      Malaysia try giving being a drunken dickhead a go, you’ll see why even the foreigners are well tamed in these countries.

    • Al says:

      04:28pm | 02/08/12

      You’re luck you wern’t shot and left lying dead in the street like two other drunk dickhead tourists were a couple of years ago.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:58am | 02/08/12

      The thing is you can’t walk away from a king hit. That’s what makes it a king hit.

      You can’t walk away from the tosser that king hits someone. That’s why I don’t have much faith that this campaign will work.

      The type of people that do this sort of thing, that get riled up over a spilled beer, or get riled up that they’re tossers that get ejected or get riled up when someone looks at them wrong aren’t the type of people that walk away.

      We need a campaign that really targets the tossers. Not something that targets the wrong type of people.

    • M says:

      08:12am | 02/08/12

      Maybe police just need to start charging people for assault? It’s not like there’s no CCTV in these venues after all.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      08:47am | 02/08/12

      It’s like at the initial hearing of the guy that hit Thomas Kelly, one of the guy’s mates rammed a camera man and knocked him down right outside the court.

      If you still assault someone after sitting in court watching your mate getting charged with assault you obvioulsy have no brain in your head and no amount of public campaigns are going to change your behaviour unfortunately.

    • Martin says:

      09:01am | 02/08/12

      @Tubesteak

      Ok, so we arm the “non-tosser” population with riot gear (flak jackets, shields, helmets, batons, tasers) before they go out at night. To qualify for the gear, you’ll have to convince a quartermaster armed with a bullshit-detector that you’re not a hot-headed, sociopathic, angry dickhead.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:02pm | 02/08/12

      M
      I agree. They should be charged. I know the police have discretion when it comes to charging and they weigh up the paperwork and the likelihood of conviction, but putting these people through the wringer might start to send a stronger message out there.

      Wayne Kerr
      Agree. Birds of a feather flock together. These are just a pack of tossers that hang around each other. No public campaigns are going to influence them. It’s parental failure pure and simple.

      Martin
      We should have tosser-free bars and clubs. Bouncers should be forced to exclude people based on “tosser indicators” (tattoos, Tapout tshirts, haircusts from 1980s Smash Hits magazines) and police can send these people home if they are found roaming the streets.

    • Steve says:

      08:27am | 02/08/12

      Even better would be to ‘walk away’ from the precincts and venues that tolerate and encourage drunks and drunk dickheads.  If everyone not looking for a fight stays away from the bad nightclubs or even the entire precinct, the place shuts down. 

      Let your wallet do the talking.  Bar-owners will pay attention.  And some areas will become dick-heads only.

      I know the edgy vibe is sometimes part of the attraction, but changing the violence takes more than cops - it takes ordinary drinkers avoiding the violent nightclubs and precincts in order to clean them up.

      And if drinkers are not prepared to shift where they drink, maybe the violence isn’t that bad in their opinion?

    • Martin says:

      09:55am | 02/08/12

      @Steve

      Hooligans need crowds like moths need light or junkies need a fix. Close down one precinct and they’ll follow the punters to the next watering hole. Unfortunately it’s not that simple.

    • acotrel says:

      08:29am | 02/08/12

      History repeats itself. In the early 60s in the suburbs of Melbourne, there were gangs of young men who used to bash people as a group.  It used to go in cycles.  Each cycle ended in a death of an innocent, who was kicked by those cowards.  In the 50s, we had the ‘Bodgie Squad’ - police who used to bash young men who were getting around in groups.  However it was sort of illegal.
      Being bashed is one of the hazards associated with living in big cities.  In country towns ‘what goes around, comes around’ !

    • Fiddler says:

      08:34am | 02/08/12

      you can legislate against dickheads and we already have. The problem is the punishments handed out at court don’t provide a serious enough deterent. While they might make the offender possibly sorry for their actions, knowing they will go to gaol for dogshotting someone is more likely to make someone pull their head in than having to go to alcohol and anger management classes as their sentence

    • M says:

      09:11am | 02/08/12

      Yep, got it in one. The “i was drunk/depressed/emotionally unbalanced” defence doesn’t cut it for me.

    • Fiddler says:

      09:44am | 02/08/12

      more to the point hearing “Oh Jim got done for assault the other day, punched some random at the pub and just got three months in gaol” makes people sit up and listen, as opposed to “yeah he has to go do some anger management classes”

    • Al says:

      04:31pm | 02/08/12

      The problem is there is no intent ANYWHERE in society to enforce the laws that we already have.

    • Markus says:

      08:40am | 02/08/12

      “You can’t legislate against dickheads. So that’s why, with Real Heroes Walk Away, we’re appealing to everyone else. We need to take responsibility for our actions.”
      Except it isn’t our actions that are the problem, it is those of the dickheads. Who is going to take responsibility for them?

      I’m not usually one to advocate vigilantism, but when the judicial system refuses to take responsibility for them, and it is clear nobody is going to make these people take responsibility for themselves, you start running out of options pretty quick.

    • acotrel says:

      09:10am | 02/08/12

      The problem comes when you go looking for those idiots, and they find out you are after them and they wait on you.  The best way to deal with them is find out who they are, go and talk to Mr Plod and if you don’t get value back off for a while.  Vengence is a dish best taken cold, and the opportunity always comes along, even if it only involves their other crimes.

    • Rose says:

      10:47am | 02/08/12

      Why would you go looking for them? If you’re already away from them, the problem is already solved!

    • Andrew says:

      09:03am | 02/08/12

      When I read the stories of these people who die in fights they are mostly young aspiring footballers so it tells me that most likely they started a fight they couldn’t finish. The fact of the matter is if half of these footballers didn’t go around acting tough then they would still be alive today. I don’t believe in unprovoked attacks and the media makes the problem sound worse than it is. The fact of the matter is assaults are not becoming more frequent and very few people actually die from injuries sustained in assaults.

    • Ando says:

      03:06pm | 02/08/12

      Andrew,
      Football has nothing to do with it

    • Roy says:

      05:23pm | 02/08/12

      Andrew, I agree. So many of the assault stories have “he was a keen footballer” in the first few lines
      The footy types are full of bravado and often egged on by their friends.
      In the country it is quite obvious, that if you want a punch in the head then the local “footy” pub on Saturday night is the place to go.

    • Paul Lane says:

      09:11am | 02/08/12

      Until appropriate sentences are delivered and “bouncers” are made accountable for what happens both inside their establishments as well as on the footpath outside nothing will change.  All these videos released of some poor shmo getting hit the bouncer is standing right there in the doorway doing nothing.  The only thing walking away will get you is a punch to the back of the head.  These incidents happen in the same area every weekend.  Why arent police walking up and down city streets?  This whole walking away campaign is just sweeping the issue under the carpet with some air fairy feel good do nothing inaction.  It will not and cannot work.  The only thing that can are vigilant bouncers and police.  Add to that a well known automatic unavoidable jail sentence for offenders.    Sadly nothing will change people will sign this petition and forget the issue and i am sure will be genuinely surprised when someone is killed this weekend asking their friends in disbelieve “You mean our petition didn’t stop this?????”

    • Ellie says:

      11:00am | 02/08/12

      It’s not about making bouncers accountable for these incidents, it about giving them the power to step in without getting jailed for assault themselves. Seems to me they are pretty powerless atm.

    • PeterM says:

      11:12am | 02/08/12

      Paul, as a crowd controller I can assure you that we are very closely scrutinised by police and management regarding any issues on the premises.  Often, what we would like to do in terms of crowd management etc. is restricted by what management will allow.  Simple things like separating incoming and outgoing patrons make things safer and easier for all.  There are some oxygen thieves working as guards, that is for sure.  The industry is working on weeding them out but unfortunately, there are simply not enough good ones to go around.

    • Borderer says:

      11:59am | 02/08/12

      Paul,
      Bouncers have no special powers beyond that of ordinary citizens, they are employees of the venue and can remove people from the property under the provisions in the various liquor acts, they are not police.
      That being said when I was working as a crowd controller we took control of the streets outside the venue, we didn’t chase people down the street or anything silly like that just broke up fights and assisted police.
      As for being acountable for what happens inside a venue, please. I was on duty watching the crowd one night, a guy is yelling a girl (not uncommon given the music volume), he cocks his wrist and cracks her in the head. I was in motion the instant he wound his arm back and I had covered the ten metres in a heart beat, my hip throw had him pinned to the ground within 5 seconds, it was like I materialised out of nowhere yet not fast enough to stop the punch. The girl was crumpled on the ground with an egg on her head, her attacker off to face assault charges yet still an imperfect outcome. Perhaps all security staff need to be ninja’s with jetpacks or something equally improbable to make you happy?

    • Paul Lane says:

      12:08pm | 02/08/12

      Peter crowd controllers have a bad name for good reasons.  You may be one of the rare good ones.  But if an incident happens outside the pub and the CC is standing in the doorway watching it happen then I say he is not doing his job properly.  There is plenty of CC TV footage of this happening.    Being a crowd controller must be more than a little power trip of walking around looking tough but when an incident occurs scurrying or looking the other way.  Ellie no ones going to jail for pulling apart a fight.  Why take it to such extreme?  Even bouncers proven to have used excessive force including sinking the boots into a downed “patron” rarely suffer ANY penalties.  But if you think a petition is the answer sign away!

    • Ridge says:

      12:18pm | 02/08/12

      Bouncers are not police.

      They have no rights or responsibility over the footpath or any boundary beyond their own place of work.  Otherwise, where do you draw the line?

      We need to spend more energy stopping this sort of violence from happening.  Those who do not respect the rights of others deserve no rights themselves.

    • Borderer says:

      12:40pm | 02/08/12

      Paul Lane
      Even bouncers proven to have used excessive force including sinking the boots into a downed “patron” rarely suffer ANY penalties
      I had two collegues charged with murder because the patron the applied a choke hold on died, I had another two charged and found guilty of assault because they chased and beat up a guy who had walked up and punched one of them in the head minutes before. They lost their licences, their jobs and have criminal records to boot.
      Your statement is not in line with what I have experienced in the security industry.

    • Ando says:

      03:21pm | 02/08/12

      Paul Lane,
      Thats funny, all I ever see is some scrawny dickhead picking the bouncer for a fight. To suggest any of this street violence is the bouncers problem to fix is ridiculous. Why aren’t you out there on a Friday night breaking up fights.

    • Sea Dog says:

      03:34pm | 02/08/12

      Borderer,

      Those seem like appropriate sentences???

    • Ray says:

      07:21pm | 02/08/12

      The LAST THING we need is for bouncers to be given more power. 

      I have seen more king hits delivered by bouncers than anyone.

    • Joe Blogs says:

      09:33am | 02/08/12

      “Steve says:08:27am | 02/08/12

      Even better would be to ‘walk away’ from the precincts and venues that tolerate and encourage drunks and drunk dickheads.  If everyone not looking for a fight stays away from the bad nightclubs or even the entire precinct, the place shuts down.  “

      This is the answer. Don’t be in places that have issues like that. It’s people’s blind obsession with going out all night to places where heavy drinking is actively encouraged that puts them in these positions. Yes you should be able to go anywhere safely. Unfortunately you can’t. Take your friends to the bowling alley, or to the movies, or do something where the whole premise of the place is not drinking, other drugs, and generally being an idiot.

      Also, if your mates are the kind of people that are aggressive, let them know that you are not cool with that.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:52am | 02/08/12

      But Joe! Whatever would the nightclubs do if they had no violent alcohol and drug culture appended to them? How could they be regarded as cool or edgy if blood wasn’t being spilt on the way in or out of them? Think of the publicans!

    • Hugh of the huge Bicep says:

      09:36am | 02/08/12

      Maybe we need to start promoting arm wrestling. Good ol’ man on man skin contact. We can all stand around going “Ooooh look at dat man’s biceps! Dey is HYOOOOGE!”. And we can place bets. And the Loser buys the winner a round.
      Either that, or install a boxing ring and get in a few sumo suits. As soon as there’s any trouble, the bouncers pounce, strap them in these suits, and throw them in the ring for our entertainment. Put a bit of comedy in the whole thing.

    • ryan says:

      09:41am | 02/08/12

      What rubbish.  When the option is available, avoidance is the best solution to this.  But what we need is not pansies who will walk away from others who can’t defend themselves, but people who will risk their own lives to protect the society we live in.  It is not a pleasant thing to do, or to be involved in but life is full of unpleasantness.  IF you do not fight back, you WILL be dominated and always an easy target.
      Sure, that punch you might throw may be the one that kills the guy who started the fight, but at the same time if you don’t throw it, the one that you get hit with may just do the same thing.

    • Gary T says:

      09:42am | 02/08/12

      The correct term is the ‘COWARD’ hit. Try using it in your articles Princess

    • Jay says:

      09:50am | 02/08/12

      Why are newspapers conducting “campaigns” now? Is this some attempt by certain newspaper to purify their tarnished reputations?  First we saw Fairfax doing this in New Zealand (and trying to get the driving age raised from 15 to 16) and now we see News Ltd trying to appear to be on the side of good and campaigning against violence.

      I thought newspapers were supposed to be simply unbiased sources of plain news. The last thing we should want is newspaper barons pushing their own views, no matter how “good” the cause might appear to be.

    • Testfest says:

      11:30am | 02/08/12

      Jay,

      The days of reporting being simply the unbiased presentation of the facts of a story that is not coloured by opinion ended about 50 years ago… if it ever truly happened at all.

    • Concerned citizen says:

      10:05am | 02/08/12

      While I agree that you should never escalate a situation by resorting to violence, I have a big problem with the suggestion, reinforced by some comments above, and some of the commentary getting about right now, that you shouldn’t defend yourself (with violence).  “Never throw the first punch” – sure, totally agree.  “Never throw a punch, ever” – you’ve obviously never been hit, or watched a friend being hit and unable to defend themself.  If someone hits you once, they’re going to do it again until you a) get out of their reach, b) someone stops them or c) you prevent them from continuing.  Option A is very, very difficult and extremely dangerous to execute once someone has started hitting you, or is about to. 

      The problem with saying “you can never hit someone, even in self defence”  is dis-empowering people.  The police don’t have the numbers, power, or inclination to prevent violence, and nothing about our justice system is going to change that.  The police are there to investigate and if possible arrest and charge wrongdoers after the fact.  They don’t, in any way, lessen the severity of a violent situation – they can’t be everywhere at once.  I’ll repeat it nice and slowly –the police do not prevent crime – that’s not their job.

      I refuse to be the victim, and I believe it is my right and responsibility to defend myself, and those I care for.  I have never and will never escalate a situation by introducing violence.  But I refuse to have my basic right to defend myself taken away, either by law or convention.

    • Hayley says:

      10:24am | 02/08/12

      I wrote a comment on the Naughty Corner Blog article “Heroes Walk Away: Teach your kids to walk not fight,” but it hasn’t been published. In fact the article has sat at 13 comments for 2 days, which makes me wonder why the comments stopped being published. It’s a shame, I thought I had a decent POV to offer, and I wish I’d copied and kept my comment before hitting submit.

      Anyway, one of the things I mentioned in that comment, was that I think it would be a worthwhile idea for news.com.au to reach out someone who has been the perpetrator of a violent act/king hit in the past, who has been punished for their crime, is remorseful of their actions and wishes to make a difference.

      Sometimes, I think these so-called “dickheads” need a reality check from someone else who was once like them. Someone who with age, wisdom and personal experience, can look these guys in the eyes and say: “I was once just like you, I was a dickhead, I was angry and reacted violently when things pissed me off. I got drunk one night and did something really stupid – I hit someone for no reason, and now that person is […..]. I can never take back that one action and it changed my life, and the lives of others. I can tell you straight up that it’s not worth it. Feeling mucho, thinking you are better than others, getting angry in the heat of the moment… it’s not worth it. You need to walk away, because if you don’t, it’s not just your life that could be ruined, you could ruin someone else’s life too.”

      What is the good of saying ‘heroes walk away’ to the majority of society who know this, who live this already?

      It’s the dickheads that are precisely the ones that need this lesson more than anyone. They might not listen to you – the guy who always walks away – but maybe they’d listen to someone who has been there, done that, regrets it and now has to live with the consequences. And maybe a guy like this, or a group of guys like this, can somehow turn their mistakes into a way to teach others, to go into schools and talk to the kids.

      ‘Real Heroes Walk Away’ would resonate very personally and powerfully from someone who once didn’t do that, but now sees the value in that message because he’s had to live with the consequences of what NOT walking away can mean. And how much more courage it can take to walk away.

    • anthony says:

      10:37am | 02/08/12

      There used to be a time when boys could rough house and playfight to test their strength and learn their limits.  Now, after a generation of the “violence is NEVER acceptable mantra” being drummed into us, young men have never had a chance to learn their limits.  Boisterous play and any other hint of masculinity is outlawed throughout their childhood.  Their only experience with violence comes from glamorised, conseuqence-free hollywood representations of it, and the king hits, the excessive bashings, glassings and deaths are the result.  You can’t eliminate the urge for young men to test their strength, repressing it just makes it boil over at inappropriate monets, sometimes with tragic results.

    • Onlooker says:

      10:41am | 02/08/12

      I am a make love not war kinda person, I have never been in a punch up, which is just as well cause I am female!!  I think walking away is the best option today, live to fight another day. But in saying that if anyone does hit me I will give them a good crack on the rump with my handbag

    • Tombowler says:

      10:51am | 02/08/12

      These threads bring out all the usual bullshit..

      The excuses “If it’s a fair fight…” - the one acotrel uses now and that me and my mates used (when much younger) to excuse our blatant thuggery and differentiate our brand from the ethnic brand with their weapons…

      “If he punches a girl or a child” - aside from the fact that the only time this happens in public is where the assailant is a hardened f#cking criminal who will happily flatten you then continue to beat his woman, probably harder, you should just call the coppers. Half the time the woman will turn on you with her man if you involve yourself (I’ve seen it)

      “I don’t go looking for fights” - the pathetic individual who trots this out is just as bad as any other thug, only he views himself through the particularly delusional prism of a film protagonist. Walk the f#ck away dickhead…

      I say all of this as a young man who has previously been in many fights, often as the aggressor. Also as someone who has suffered unprovoked, gang beatings and robbery as well as being on the losing end of a number of fights of my own instigation. There’s nothing courageous or masculine about it. One of you is, on balance, going to get considerably injured, maybe arrested and certainly reputed to be a dickhead.

      The dichotomy is simple, you will ruin the night and a period of time between a day and the rest of your life for yourself or the other party. Often it’s a case of a bruised and bloody face (a couple of days) or an assualt charge (a couple of months). Sometimes it’s worse (both of your lives)

      No excuses kids, just don’t f#cking punch people.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      12:12pm | 02/08/12

      Just suck it up and take an unwarranted beating and cross your fingers and hope that the cops do something eventually (assuming you’re not a vegetable or dead afterwards).  That’s the society we want!

    • Ando says:

      03:30pm | 02/08/12

      Tombowler,
      You sound a lot worse than any of those comments you quote. Those quotes don’t forgive or excuse criminals like you and your thug mates.

    • boogieknight says:

      10:58am | 02/08/12

      You have to identify the problem at its core. When you glorify UFC in society what do you expect? Its a mentality. Its about Rep. Out here in the western suburbs. We know if we go and knock someone out the chances of the police actually finding you, even with grainy cctv footage, are real small. We know this. If they die from being hit, then the police actually investigate seriously and you know you’re in trouble. If you king hit someone and they survive and you,really unlucky enough to actually get caught, then you know it’ll be a suspended sentence and no jail for the first offence. So next time you do it, you know to do it with fewer witnesses around and how to manoeuvre without cctv seeing you in the area.

    • The Pacifist says:

      05:06pm | 02/08/12

      @boogieknight
      You pretty much personify the idiotic “mentality” this article is talking about.  Street fighting and the UFC don’t belong in the same sentence.  Remember Kimbo Slice?  Hours of YouTube videos of him laying a beating on some Neville in his back yard then couldn’t last one round with some of the lowest ranked fighters in his division in the UFC.  There’s a massive difference between two willing participants, of equal weight and skill, who have both trained for a fight, going at it in front of three judges and a referee and going out and punching some bloke on the street after a few beers who probably wanted nothing to do with it.  Absolutely chalk and cheese mate.  There’s also a huge gap between having a “rep” out there in the western suburbs and being a world champion in one of the toughest sports on the planet.  I doubt very much that you would see John Jones, Anderson Silva and co heading out with the boys on a saturday night for a bit of light biffo.  Then laying low for a couple of days to avoid the attention of the cops.  Why?  Because they have nothing to prove to anyone else.  They’ve proved themselves amongst their peers and in front of massive TV audiences.  If you really are a fight fan or have an interest in fighting head down to your local gym and pull some pads on.  I can assure you it’s a very humbling experience to work out with guys who do it for a living.  What’s even better, at the end of it, you’re fitter, have learnt a few new skills, no serious injuries, and no one gets arrested.

      Bottom line.  If you want to punch someone.  Do it in a gym/dojo against someone who knows it’s coming and has a right of reply.  Get it out of your system and leave the rest of the population out of your weekend pissing ritual.  Who knows, you might uncover some talent and with a bit of hard work become a champion.  Get off the CCTV and on to pay TV.  Then you’ll have all the cred you need.

    • TheHuntress says:

      11:17am | 02/08/12

      I LOVE this campaign. Too many times I would turn up to my shift in major trauma to some idiot mumbling “but he jumped the queue in the bar” or “he said my girlfriend was fat”. Big deal. You’re the one who is now clutching your black eyes and stab wounds, was it really worth it. Equally I felt just as sorry for my patients who had just gone out for a nice evening with their friends and ended up in one of our beds by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      I do think this campaign will work best aimed at teenagers in high schools. Hormone fuelled teens reacting highly on their emotions can do with reminders such as this before lashing out over their spilt drink. It’s true, real heroes walk away.

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      11:20am | 02/08/12

      Long long ago in the UK far far away, a bunch of us East London boys were staying with a friend in the north of England. Me and a friend were delegated to nip out to a bar that was open till midnight, for the purposes of obtaining cigarettes.

      As I walked into the Public Bar, on the left along a big table were a bunch of skinheads.

      They banged on the table chanting N*****! N*****!

      I was terrified.

      After we bought the Cigs, whether it was because of too much Blackadder, or the fact that we’d just been watching Blazing Saddles, I involuntarily started to wave my arms in the air and bow as I left. Like I was taking accolades.

      The skinheads laughed there heads off and cheered me as I departed safely.

      Outside my mate was red with rage, fuelled with embarrassment and adrenaline. “Let’s get Errol and Specs and come back and torch the place, racist f*7ks.” he said.

      He didn’t understand I had already won, heaps.

      My reaction had changed the mindset of a group of blokes in my favour and I had not had a beating either.

      Growing up in the East End of London, fighting and revenge was a habitual past time, all the way to the serious criminal record. I had out grown that, in that bar, on that night.

    • Borderer says:

      12:57pm | 02/08/12

      Working as a crowd controller on the door of a venue, an intoxicated lad wants to come in, I decline him entry, he’s got about half a dozen mates at his back and things look like they’re about to get ugly.
      He says “I F*cked your mum…”
      I say “What a relief, she’s been complaining about a premature ejaculator with a little dick and I was worried it was my dad…”
      Hoots of laughter from his mates, bomb difused and I still smile about it today. Viva the quick wit and the ability to laugh at yourself!!!

    • mark says:

      01:22pm | 02/08/12

      Well done, People do find it hard to keep abusing you if you just smile back.

    • Markus says:

      11:22am | 02/08/12

      There isn’t anything about courage or masculinity in the decision about walking away or retaliating, the primary consideration for both options is self-preservation. In many situations the choice to walk away is more dangerous than fronting up and defending yourself.

      “Walk the f#ck away dickhead…”
      And get a running king hit to the back of the head for your troubles. No thanks. Not again.

      As you’ve said, you have often been the aggressor in these situations, so the fact that you consider your bullshit to be somehow more valid than the other input on here that you deem bullshit, when you were (or are) one of the very dickheads talked about, is pretty laughable.

    • Markus says:

      12:01pm | 02/08/12

      Was posted in reply to Tombowler above.
      Unsure why it has ended up down here.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      12:14pm | 02/08/12

      It presumably would have made it easier for them to beat people up, had people cowered in the corner hoping random cops would turn up to save them.

    • Brett says:

      11:56am | 02/08/12

      Walk away?...Grow up…right now there are Australians in Afghanistan engaged in a brutal televised military campaign endorsed by our government…and were surprised by a pervasive culture of violence

    • Philip says:

      12:20pm | 02/08/12

      you do know that violence has been around since before we humans right?

    • maria says:

      12:22pm | 02/08/12

      Can’t make laws against boofheads. Can walk away…
      Give us a direct democracy a la Switzerland in which the ultimate power lies in the hands of the people than we will able to tame the boofheads of Canberra and these boofheads will walk away to treat us as a turd or a piece of s***t .

    • Tbird says:

      03:10pm | 02/08/12

      Isn’t a turd and piece of shit the same thing?

    • Tony says:

      04:21pm | 02/08/12

      Not all the new australians understand the meaning of that word and it is too an unpleasant person like most our elected members who are treating us as…..a smart comment.

    • Lyler says:

      12:25pm | 02/08/12

      I understand the idea of a real hero walks away, You’re being the bigger man and all the idiolgy that comes with it. What I dont understand is how are we supposed to just take abuse from drunks, idiots or even just an average person who is so self centered.

      When & how is society going to show these people they are not welcome, their behaviour is unacceptable? How do we do this without violence, when these people seem to understand nothing else.

    • Good Grief says:

      12:42pm | 02/08/12

      In Singapore, the penalty for violence (if you are the one who initiated the violence) is a jail term and caning. The caning breaks the skin, but does no further bodily harm. It was intended to create maximum pain with minimal actual damage. Even the most feral of locals and foreigners who have been through this punishment come out surprisingly tame afterwards. No you can’t get away on the grounds of being “heavily intoxicated”, “not in the right frame of mind” or any other excuse used to alleviate responsibility of one’s own actions.

      Unfortunately Australia will never come to terms in using heavy handed methods (no matter how effective) under the grounds of “too strict”, “barbaric”, and/or “but muh FEELINGS”, even if it means preventing innocent victims getting bashed or even worse, killed.

    • St. Michael says:

      01:03pm | 02/08/12

      The short answer is that in life, punishment for being an arsehole doesn’t happen instantly.  Life’s a marathon, not a race - and in the long run, dipshits’ behaviour generally results in consequences further down the line that they didn’t anticipate - because dipshits usually keep on being dipshits.

      For example, try getting a US visa with a criminal conviction, even if spent.  Or a Working With Children check.  Or a job on the mines.  Or a job that pays a lot of cash and has significant responsibility attached.  Next, try keeping a wife, or indeed a husband when you have an alcohol, drug, or violence habit.  Eventually your partner will have enough and the Family Court will show you exactly how much of an arsehole you are in a much more meaningful and lasting way than a criminal court generally does.  And, particular in the Internet age, your indiscretions are always with you, always a Google search away.

      Then (assuming you get there, not that many arseholes do) there’s middle to old age, which has a fine old way of paying you back for youthful indiscretions.  I’m not saying all people who wind up with heart attacks, liver failure or dementia caused by long and frequent drug or alcohol abuse deserved it, but it’s fine old karmic retribution for those who do.

    • John says:

      12:47pm | 02/08/12

      When is punching someone so hard they fall over and die going to be treated as murder?  Too often the DPP softcocks it with manslaughter or cops a plea bargain.

    • Rob says:

      04:05pm | 02/08/12

      That’d be setting a rather unfortunate precedent…

      Suppose “hitting a person whereby they fall and suffer fatal injuries” was considered murder (ignoring the requisite mens rea).

      Scenario A: Man punches a another man who is attempting to mug him. The assailant has not yet hurt him, but has threatened to stab him, so self-defence is not looking promising.

      He may get manslaughter today for something like this if the assailant dies. You suggest that he should get murder.

      Beyond that, sending people to gaol for life is expensive and marginal general deterrence makes bad law (it doesn’t work, plenty of info as to that coming out of the US who’ve been keeping track of recidivism for years where this form of deterrence is rigorously applied).

    • Alex says:

      01:17pm | 02/08/12

      Very wise - you can’t legislate against boofheads. So many fights are fuelled by alcohol and guys trying to prove themselves. Usually it’s the guys who aren’t proving it on the rugby or other sports field but still go to the gym to look at themselves in the mirror. Naturally they need an outlet and it’s weekends outside clubs. Good luck in your campaign. I hope many blokes take notice.

    • Haydz says:

      01:26pm | 02/08/12

      Well done Chris. I takes a real man to admit to having never been in a fight. Im 31 years old and have never been in a real fight. I either talk my way out of it, or being 6’3” and 100kgs (not fat), scare my way out of it. Im quite happy to give someone a death glare if they have a go at me or my friends/girlfriend. It hasnt failed me yet. They all walk away. Im sure I could handle myself in a one on one fight, but I have never needed to prove this point, and I would like it to stay this way.
      You arent a “pussy” Chris - pussy’s are the ones that start fights for no real reason other than you spilled his beer or whatever - they are the real pussies, because they arent strong enough emotionally or mentally to handle a situation like that. Anyone can throw a punch - it takes a real man to walk away.

    • Chris Paine says:

      02:34pm | 02/08/12

      Thanks very much, Haydz. I reckon we could all learn a lot from blokes like you.

    • James1 says:

      03:25pm | 02/08/12

      I was in a fight once, sort of.  The fellow punched me in the face, and broke his wrist in the process.  As a result, I walked away without throwing a punch, while he left in an ambulance (I assume - like I said, I was walking away so I don’t really know how he left).

    • andye says:

      01:31pm | 02/08/12

      I have been in altercations, but generally as the peacemaker. I saw a guy get knocked out cold by someone right in front of me who then started kicking him as well. I stepped in between them, looked the attacker in the eyes and said “you won, mate. its over.” He looked at me and ran off. There are probably a good 3 or 4 other examples similar to this I could bring up.

      I once saw a guy walk up to a door at a uni bar and get knocked out the second he walked in. The puncher casually walked back and started collecting $20 notes of a bunch of guys. I guess he won that bet. I quietly snitched to one of the bouncers I knew - they were already trying to figure out who it was.

      A different time, this drunk young Irish gentleman at a party in the jungle in Thailand decided that he wanted to shout abuse at girls, including my girl. I’m not sure he expected her to get right back in his face. When he physically shoved her it was on for young and old. She was punching him repeatedly in the head with her other hand wrapped around his collar and as I pulled them apart it was probably as much for his safety as for hers. His mate came in like rugby tackle and knocked us all down. I somehow ended up on my back on the ground with Irish dudes foot on my chest. I completely surprised myself by not giving up but by angrily gripping his clothes, pulling him down closer and lifting him with my foot on his chest in an attempt to judo him over my head. At that point a short shirtless ball of Thai muscle crash tackled him to the ground and we were separated by staff.

      Have I mentioned I cant fight for sh**? I don’t actually want to hurt anyone, but sometimes when faced head on with someone backing off does not feel like an option. Sometimes you have to face up to an aggressor or someone who is getting away with a lot because everyone is too scared to confront them. Hitting someone who is unprepared is never on, but if someone squares up to you then it is kind of a choice you make.

    • Emily says:

      02:48pm | 02/08/12

      Fights should only be allowed if they are like the ones between Hugh Grant and Colin Firth in Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason.

    • ?????????????? says:

      03:14pm | 02/08/12

      How about we have actual places where, should people choose, they can go and engage in a fight legaly?
      A good way to resolve disputes and also entertaining, go gladiators!

    • M says:

      04:11pm | 02/08/12

      I think the idea of a boxing ring in the middle of the pub has merit. $50 entry and the last man standing wins.

    • Steve says:

      05:02pm | 02/08/12

      Did not the film “Fightclub” have a lot to say about why some men feel the need to fight, to feel alive in their otherwise unimportant lives?

 

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