A bold prediction for Melbourne Cup Day - interest rates may or may not go up today. A slightly bolder prediction is that the next bank which argues it has to increase its standard variable home loan rate, without any corresponding increase in the Reserve Bank’s official cash rate, will face a backlash of unprecedented scale. Equally, the next banker who pops his head up to say that public anger over fees and charges is a media beat-up will have his head bitten off.

Hand over your cash.

There are about 20 billion reasons why Australia’s big four banks have run out of goodwill. Australians are generally a pretty level-headed lot and people understand the need to have a strong banking sector.

They’re grateful that the banks are run prudently and conservatively. They know what has happened in other western economies over the past couple of years, where the job has fallen to the taxpayers to bail out less cautious financial institutions. They also know that a strong banking sector, which makes a legitimate profit, adds to our collective long-term wealth through the shares that are held in our superannuation funds. 

But Australians also know when they are being taken for a ride. The staggering multi-billion-dollar profits unveiled by three of our big four banks so far this past fortnight – Westpac is to follow this week with a forecast $6 billion bonanza – have done serious tactical damage to the banks. They have killed the banks’ argument that it has been necessary to stump for interest rate hikes when the RBA has itself not increased the official cash rate. They have also shone a light on the role which penny-pinching fees and charges have played in boosting bank profits – fees and charges which, funnily enough, are often applied at a similar rate and with the same frequency by these four alleged competitors.

A combined profit of some $20 billion between these four institutions doesn’t look legitimate. It looks like greed. And as the bank chiefs moan about the treatment they are getting from the public and the politicians, it’s becoming obvious that they should set a miniscule portion of their mega-profits to one side and get a bit of public relations training, as right now they are losing the battle for respect and understanding.

Commonwealth Bank CEO Ralph Norris has said the debate surrounding bank profits and interest rates is “not healthy”. It’s certainly not as healthy as the CommBank’s bottom line. The most outspoken of the bank bosses, ANZ CEO Mike Smith, has on dismissed calls for an inquiry into competition between the banks and their fees and charges, and rubbished any suggestion that the banks should somehow be prevented from increasing interest rates at their will.

Smith had this to say on the ABC on Sunday:

“This idea of actually imposing an interest rate regime, looking at further regulating the banking industry, and really taking it back to an era that is long gone…it was all rather strange stuff and just very anti-reform. The economy needs further reform.”

Any banker who thinks in the current climate that banks should be freed up even further to charge whatever they like is seriously out of touch with normal Australians.

There is also something dicey about Smith’s argument that this current debate about the banks is about legislating to control interest rate movements. To suit the purposes of his argument, Smith is deliberately selecting one tiny and poorly-explained portion of the initial attack which shadow treasurer Joe Hockey made on the banks, which was distorted and amplified by the Labor Party for political ends.

The truth is Hockey did not actually say that government should re-regulate the banking sector to tie its hands and prevent such increases. He might be a populist on this issue, but he is not advocating socialist intervention.

Much has been written about the politics behind Hockey’s rhetoric, and how it has given some ammo to his detractors within the Liberal Party. This is all a bit of a side issue. The banks would probably love to see Hockey rolled by the likes of an Andrew Robb or a Malcolm Turnbull. Whether that happens or not is immaterial for the standing of the banks. Hockey’s fortnight-long assault against the banks has got the issue into the headlines; more importantly, it has made the Government realise that it must take seriously this public disquiet over the nature of the big four’s mega-profits.

To this end the Government has won some much-needed breathing space with the Senate voting to support an inquiry into banking competition as well as bank fees and charges.

Any future populism of the Hockey kind, or the likely continuation of anger on talkback and news websites, can be countered with a Government response that the Senate is examining the issue and will report within a few months’ time.

One of the best explanations I have seen as to why the inquiry should be held came not from a grandstanding politician but an academic at the Australian School of Business at the University of New South Wales, business law lecturer Michael Peters.

Peters says quite simply that the bank funding guarantee, introduced by the Rudd Government to protect savings during the global financial crisis, had the effect of distorting the market by strengthening big banks at the expense of smaller lenders.

“The wholesale bank funding guarantee was too expensive for most of the smaller banks, and forced them to stop lending, while the big four made major gains in market share. The top four banks now have over 90 per cent of personal and housing lending. They also have about 80 per cent of deposits. As a result they can cherry pick borrowers and will look very carefully at a customer’s assets when they apply for a mortgage. They are also sending small and medium businesses elsewhere to find credit at very high rates.”

The banks might think the whole inquiry is an unnecessary populist farce but the above analysis shows how so much money and power has been concentrated in so few hands. Ironically, it is the extent of their profits which may now end up costing the banks.

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    • David says:

      06:52am | 02/11/10

      Actually I am more worried about what the banks are going to do to keep their profit growth going in the same direction. Continually increasing the rate that you make profits in a market as small as Australia is unsustainable, the banks market share in the Australian financial services business cannot get any bigger.

      So they are now looking at expanding overseas which is inherently more risky and to get a larger share of the world market. But what happens when the banking sector of a small country becomes too large (larger than the GDP) and runs into trouble? Just look at Iceland for an example, where depositers from the UK are expecting the Iceland Government to pick up the tab for the failed Icelandic banks, it should just take about 600 years to pay back that debt…

      Too big to fail? What happens when they also become too big to bail out?

    • Tom says:

      09:39am | 02/11/10

      It is not just home mortgages that should be watched - the banks are nailing small businesses and because there is not the same media interest the gap between official rates and the rate small business is paying is a blatant rip-off.

    • Liz says:

      05:22pm | 02/11/10

      Yeah, I agree with Tom. We own a (very) small business and I’m amazed again, week after week just how much their different charges are on the business account. Beside the usual account & Eftpos fees, there’s a cheque fee per cheque (most customers use this kind of payment method - so it’s very lucrative for the bank). Then there’s an over the counter fee that applies to every cheque or other transaction made over the counter. If you can’t manage to the bank on time, you put the cheque through the slot and incur an express cheque fee. However, these cheques take even a day longer to clear than the cheques put over the counter. Go figure. Express my knee! Besides that I have a huge gripe with them taking now a minimum of 4 days to clear a cheque, whilst it’s gone from the payer’s account within a matter of minutes. And for the latest, they just wrote us a letter informing us that the account will now no longer pay any interest. For that, they are now allowing us 15 free card transactions per month instead of ten. Generous, don’t you think?
      Quite seriously, if it weren’t SO difficult to get customers to change their account details and pay into a new account and if we didn’t have the loan we needed to start off the business, we’d be going elsewhere. But we’re tied. And they know and abuse that.

    • mags says:

      07:13am | 02/11/10

      Why is it that someone like Joe Hockey has to bring the iniquity of the big 4 banks to the public’s attention and not all these raving ” economists”? Full marks to Michael Peters for telling it like it is.

      We are held hostage to banks by having our wages, salaries and benefits paid directly into bank accounts. They use our money at no cost to them and then charge us for the privilege.

      What I would like to now is why the bank guarantee hasn’t been lifted. The GFC was over for us in 2008. What’s the catch?

    • MarK says:

      07:17am | 02/11/10

      You are getting closer Penbo. Next story you might actually look at the plan and not the politics.

      This whole situation is starting to sound like the old immigration debates. If you dared mention border protection you were immediately a xenophobic racist hater. No questions.

      It may come as a surprise to some that it is possible to actual want to try and tweak something in the banking system to improve it without it being a simple populist bash a banker sideshow.

      Hockey has stabilised the situation and the calls of economic hansonism and shock and outrage by that guy that does what Henry tells him…errr Swan….start to seem exactly what they actually were. A dog whistle and cheap political stunt bereft of legitimacy.

      I love how Hockey is either a socialist or Hanson on steroids now depending on who is wanting to bag him and what demographic you want to get a message through to. It is a pretty neat trick to be Pauline and Brown all at the same time and just highlights the ridiculous and scurrilous natire of the complaints against the plan.

      http://www.smh.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-ninepoint-plan-20101028-174jw.html - the plan without the fun commentary.

    • TrueOz says:

      07:20am | 02/11/10

      “...the banks are run prudently and conservatively.”

      I guess that’s a matter of opinion at the moment, David. Only time will tell if that opinion is fact or not.

      The greedy bastards who run the banks went out and stuck their snouts in the trough of foreign debt when Santa Kev and Uncle Wayne kindly decided to guarantee their deposits. The banks like to call their foreign debt “deposits” - but either way it’s still debt.

      The government handed out first home owners grants at a furious rate and relaxed rules for foreign investors wishing to buy property. Real estate agents and the press talked up property prices and the banks poured their ill-gotten deposits into their residential mortgage portfolios - helping the Australian real estate bubble to get even bigger.

      Soon, that debt which the Australian taxpayers have guaranteed will need to be rolled over at higher interest rates - a cost which will of course be passed on to the very same borrowers who helped the banks to secure that which they lent out so indiscriminately.

      According to Fitch Ratings Agency “Australian banks can withstand a 40% drop in house prices and mortgage delinquencies reaching as high as 8%”. When rating agencies conduct this kind of research there is a reason for it. Could that reason be that they believe that property prices might fall 40% and that banks might suffer defaults of 8% or more?

      Australian economist Steve Keen (one of the few economists in the world to predict the GFC) has much to say about all of this on his website http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/. Forget what Joe Hockey has to say for a moment (although t is worth considering) and see some well informed commentary on what our future might contain.

    • ExBanker says:

      06:07pm | 02/11/10

      One small thing that you forgot to mention was that the Banks actually had to pay for that Guarantee. As a result it made borrowing even more expensive, increasing funding costs again. As soon as the markets freed up a little, the banks stopped paying for and using that guarantee and borrowed on it’s own.

      And actually, once that debt comes for rollover, they will be able to roll it over at a cheaper rate (less the cost to the government). Making it cheaper, so that doesn’t fly.

      But of course that spoils you argument, so I’d better shut up now

    • TrueOz says:

      09:31pm | 02/11/10

      @ExBanker

      There is clearly a reason why you are an ex banker. Just today (before you posted your comment) the Commonwealth Bank raised interest rates by double the amount that the RBA increased official rates by this afternoon. Their publicly stated reason - increased funding costs. But of course that spoils you argument, so I’d better shut up now!

    • ExBanker says:

      08:08am | 03/11/10

      Actually TreuOz, I am an ex-Banker because I have a terminal illness and can’t work.

      But if you don’t understand the whole funding issue, then stop commenting on it.

      Oh, and I posted AFTER the RBA and CBA announcements.

    • Leith says:

      11:30am | 03/11/10

      Actually ExBanker it is you that does not know what you are talking about. The Government implemented its wholesale and deposit funding guarantee after the banks made it clear that they were unable to roll-over their overseas funding and might ultimately face insolvency. Without it, they would not have been able to raise sufficient funds offshore to keep the housing ponzi going.

      The wholesale funding guarantee was optional - the banks could have continued issuing bonds without it and foregone the tiny fee, but they instead chose en masse to utilise the government’s guarantee. Why? because it was far cheaper than going it alone. So it DID significantly reduce the banks cost of capital.

      The problem is, the guarantees have completely distorted the financial landscape. Those that did not qualify went out of business, handing more power to the banks. Meanwhile, the banks now operate under an implicit guarantee that they do not pay for, knowing that it will become explicit if/when another crisis hits. This has created a raft of moral hazard issues. Heads they win, tails the taxpayer loses.

    • Simon Moriarty says:

      07:25am | 02/11/10

      The mere fact that the Government guaranteed the banks during the GFC with our public money is enough reaosn for the public representatives to hold an inquiry into the outcomes achieved by the banks during that period and whether it has lead to uncompetitive practices against smaller lenders

    • Caveat emperor says:

      07:46am | 02/11/10

      ahh more whining about banks. It’s all very funny.

      If you don’t like them then you can always go to a credit union or building society. Lower fees. Lower charges. Sometimes zero fees and charges. Competitive interest rates.

      Maybe doing your own research in the market is a bit tough and you like the flashy ads. If your small business is finding it hard to get a loan then maybe you need to question whether it is a viable business in the first place and shut up shop before a real recession puts you out of business.

      It’s getting tiresome.

      The RBA has backed banks for decades. Regulating interest rates will just mean that taxpayers dollars will have to be used to influence them. Bad idea.

      The ROE for a bank is quite small compared to many other institutions and they are private businesses so we shouldn’t be surprised that they are profit motivated.

    • An illogical fight says:

      08:56am | 02/11/10

      I’m tired of bank bashers.  Banks employ many thousands of hard working honest and highly trained Aussies representing collectively the most successful business enterprises in the southern hemisphere.
      Australian banks continue to lend for housing, business, goods and services and maintain the best reputation in the world.  If we use their services astutely as we are supposed to, we should not find ourselves in over our necks. 

      Our banks are well-regulated, well capitalised and well managed.  Joe Hockey should more carefully choose his fights - he should focus on the overly abundant Gillard government’s incompetence both past and present. Gillard/Rudd’s financial management has been nothing short of atrocious. 
      But on this issue I am with Wayne Swan.

    • John says:

      10:36am | 02/11/10

      Sorry, which bank do you work for again…..

    • Muttley says:

      01:53pm | 02/11/10

      Being profit motivated is one thing, but when one bank can pull over four billion from twelve months, its time to bring the regulators back in.

    • ibast says:

      08:27am | 02/11/10

      The problem is that basic supply and demand principles break down when supply (or demand) consists of an oligopoly.  Those that argue against regulation forget that Smith’s original assumption was that supply and demand are infinite.  Clearly that can never be the case, but the when large numbers are concerned his principles hold true.  They fail to do so with an Oligopoly.

      What the banking sector (and any other oligopoly) needs is partial regulation.

    • StefanR says:

      09:11am | 02/11/10

      Just because some of the assumptions are violated does not mean that the outcome changes. In the absence of collusion, as few as two firms competing on price results in the perfect competition outcome.

      Additional regulation should attack collusion alone.

    • ibast says:

      10:21am | 02/11/10

      It should go a bit further than that.  It should prevent practices that discourage movement within the market, such as exit fees and it should also prevent immoral banking practices such as allowing (encouraging) people to go into too much debt.

      Allowing people to borrow 95% on a 30 year lone for example is not something that the free market alone can regulate.

    • David says:

      08:27am | 02/11/10

      It is a great phrase rational economics.  Because anyone who criticised it, is irrational.  Yet the most dominant country in world economics, China is not following these rules, which raises the question is current economic theory correct.  If there is not a spread of wealth, which there is not in Australia, then sooner or later, there will be civil disobediance or even civil war and there are no winners.  Current economic theory is not working and it needs some robust criticism and scrutiny to get it back on track.  We cannot have a situation of out of control banks because it will bring down the country.

    • Bob Higgs says:

      08:30am | 02/11/10

      “...the banks are run prudently and conservatively.”
      If you think that letting banks print their own money via “Fractional lending” is prudent, I suppose they are.

    • BobbyDan says:

      08:35am | 02/11/10

      We the Great Unwashed should talk with our feet and remove all our money (and stick under the mattress) from the Banks as it arrives in our accounts.

      No cash (yours realy) for them to play with would be a wake up call. A further tactic would be not to pay any bank loans for two months and stop thier cash flow.

      Do as I do bank with a Community Credit Union that is open from 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM on Business Days and 1/2 a day on Saturdays. Staff are friendly and the Manager smiles and waves and knows your first name, then pays you 3% PA on every dollar you have in the bank you own.

    • Steve says:

      08:57am | 02/11/10

      I already get more than 3% - it comes as a fully franked dividend from the banks that I own as a shareholder, plus capital growth.

      Everyone complains about banks making huge profits, but if they didn’t, most people’s superannuation would suffer because that’s where a great chunk of their money is held - in the bank’s shares.

      If they didn’t make a profit, a lot of international money would also not find it’s way here, because what is the point in investing in a country whose banking system is lousy ?

    • Matt says:

      09:12am | 02/11/10

      I’ve never met my bank manager but they pay me 5.5% PA on every dollar I have.

      Were people to actually do as you suggested and pull all their money out of the banks (even 10% of people), our economy would fall over and it wouldn’t just be the banks out of business but the rest of us too.

      That’d teach them! lol

    • BobbyDan says:

      11:22am | 02/11/10

      My 3% is the base rate on monthly (working) account balance, there is a further 1.5% if there is low withdrawal activaty in the account.
      Term deposits renewed 3 monthly and compounded earn 6.6% PA.

    • ibast says:

      11:31am | 02/11/10

      I used to be in a credit union, but it too got greedy.  They introduced all sort of fees (reasonable at first) and then reduced the interest they paid on accounts and their loan rates were at best middle of the pack.  I’m no longer with them.
      I don’t know the exact reason the overall equation slipped, but clearly they had a mindset change away from customers.

    • StolenGeneration says:

      08:37am | 02/11/10

      I thik that lessening of competition is the principal cause of the big four banks’ mega-profits and the almost 90% concentration of lending. Remember that Westpac acquired a building society which became Bank of Melbourne, that Commonwealth bought Bankwest, and Westpac bought St George (an amalgam of many other financial institutions).

      Perhaps these takeovers should have been blocked as not conducive to the national interest?

    • Marcos says:

      12:52pm | 02/11/10

      Please direct your question to Graeme Samuel.
      He’s the one to be blamed…

    • Rosie says:

      08:39am | 02/11/10

      I realize Banks have to make a profit but it is ridiculous when the big banks are strengthened at the expense of the smaller lenders.

      I detest having to be charged a fee to take my money out of the ATMs strewn all over the place because the banks don’t like their customers walking into the bank to be served by a teller. We should be given a choice, otherwise no ATM fees!

    • SimonT says:

      08:39am | 02/11/10

      The big banks have always had a government sanctioned oligopoly. The one entity that could keep them all honest through real competition was sold ( Commonwealth Bank). The government has always taken the view Australian economy is better to gouge the consumer but have a healthy banking system however when the big banks start taking on additional beta risks like huge oseas exposures and this becomes more significant than their Australian economy purpose they should lose their entitlement to taxpayer funded safety nets.

    • martin says:

      08:42am | 02/11/10

      “Australians are generally a pretty level-headed lot “.

      No they’re not half of them are a bunch of pigs addicted to constantly rising house prices and don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves. They’re just as bad as the banks. Just because they’ve got that ‘aussie’ ‘character’ about them isn’t fooling anyone anymore.

      I really hope rates go up today and you’ve probably got about 50% of the population who want them to.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      09:16am | 02/11/10

      True.  The banks’ bahviour is a reflection of our own society, with it’s money grubbing and “screw everyone else” attitude.  The people complaining about the banks are the same people who would happily screw every last penny from a young family trying to buy their first home.  After all, its just business.

    • Markus says:

      10:22am | 02/11/10

      While I agree with Hockey’s view that the banks should be held to account more than they are (their cries of allowing a free market became null and void when they went crawling to the government for guarantees during the GFC), I have absolutely no objection to them raising interest rates.
      As one of the few Australian adults with no debt and with a healthy amount of savings, rate rises couldn’t come sooner.

      As Seth said, many of those complaining are probably the same ones who increase rent prices on their properties every chance they get, simply because they can.

    • BobbyDan says:

      05:46pm | 02/11/10

      Editor please read note at foot of this.

      martin, you got your wish rates went up.25%.
      Seth Brundle, I purchased my first house in 1962 in suburban Perth for 1697 Pounds ( $3400 today), I on sold to my parents for Sworn Valuers price of $4200 just below market value in 1966. That house eventaully came back to me from thier estate 16 years later (1982), its then market value was $32000. For sentimental reasons I kept it and rented out privately for cash (hard to do now) that was banked in an account in joint names. This fund payed the rates etc and repairs/maintenance on the house. (WAIT, I will make my point soon).
      A lovely young couple rented the house in 1989 and wanted to buy it, so I agreed to sell it to them at Sworn Value $ 47000, the Market was $52000. I provided Vendors Terms Finance over 5 years at 3.1% on 50% of the value, the purchasers paid all the outgoings and half thier old rental rate and paid me cash for the balance on the last day of the 5 years. By then the Market value had gone to $56000 so they made $4000 even just living there. I made $48600 + rent - costs over the years. Had Capital Gains Tax been introduced then I would have lost money and as State Stamp Duty was low I could absorb that loss.
      Today’s Laws stop cheap housing from happening, land speculation forces prices up and the slowness of the Governments in releasing land again forces the value up. All land sold by the Government should be Conditional Purchase, with 1st Home Buyers getting first choice and all land to have a dwelling erected on it within 3 years and the land cannot be sold for a further 3 years. That would keep the Fast Buck speculator out of the market.
      Editor, Note, may be you can Cut and Paste this for another forum discussion?

    • What a joke! says:

      08:43am | 02/11/10

      If the Government can do, why the Bank can not do!

      The Government always eyes for money, I wonder how the Bank can stay clean!

    • Phil says:

      08:50am | 02/11/10

      Is it me or is the big four banks using the same arguments as the tobacco giants, before they where caught.

    • Mick OToole says:

      08:53am | 02/11/10

      Now that Banks have proven that they are doing well isn’t time that they look at one practice that would help their members.  In the metro area if your back doesn’t have an ATM within 10km, and 20 km in the rural area, of where you live then you should have to pay a fee to use another Banks ATM.
      Come on Big banks take up the challange of looking after those that look after you.

    • Clem says:

      09:06am | 02/11/10

      I wish someone in Government had said what Hockey had said.

      I’m not a conservative voter, but for Gillard to decry what he said as economic Hansonism was so weak-kneed. She should have seen it as a great opportunity to start reining in the banks and start looking after ordinary Australians. This is traditional Labor territory, they’re the only party that would get those sort of reforms through - if indeed reforms are actually needed - according to Hockey, the levers are there for the pulling - although he was a bit fuzzy on which one.

      It’s a waste that it was Hockey attacking the banks. Apart from being in opposition, he’s also being attacked by his own party. You could tell Abbott thought it a daft idea, so much so, he was literally speechless.

      The conservatives hate the idea that you could limit a private corporation’s profits, it’s against their religion. It’s not so much they want to see little people screwed, they just don’t give a sh1t.

    • Bruce says:

      03:50pm | 02/11/10

      Clem: Had the labor party thought of it first, we would not stop hearing about it. The labor party just did not get to the idea first, now they have to oppose ‘Hockey’s’ idea. Thats politics, never let a good idea come from another party.

    • Bionic says:

      09:07am | 02/11/10

      Not one bank in the entire world doesnt use fractional reserve lending. It should be illegal as it makes them too big to fail causing a plutonomy where companies run this country.

    • Georginorx says:

      11:01am | 02/11/10

      I agree that being too big to fail created huge issues, but smaller companies with more competition increases market pressure and the likelihood of irresponsible and risky behaviour, making the scenario of a large set of smaller banks more likely to run in to trouble. The GFC was a great example of how financial institutions can’t act prudentially in the face of competition.
      At least it’s easier to supervise a small set of big banks - but to counteract the “plutonomy” we need to find a happy point of supervision and direction, not go on reforming.

      That ANZ guy wants to have the only bank in the world and still have a de-regulated market.

    • Ryan says:

      09:11am | 02/11/10

      Why would the Labor party regulate banks, aren’t all those super rich Labor party politicians heavily invested in banks and hence receiving lots of money from this rampant gouging? Super anyone?

    • Jordan Rastrick says:

      09:14am | 02/11/10

      How many of the people who have criticised the banks here so far use a Credit Union for their mortgage? Or one of alternative bank’s savings/transaction account - such as ING Direct’s Orange Everyday, which is fee free?

      The market is doubtless under-competitive, which is not surpising when the GFC wiped out the likes of Aussie, RAMS et al. Markets generally take a while to get back to a healthy state after that kind of collapse. Still, it is amazing how many people complain loudly, demanding a polticial fix, without even having so much as looked at the alternatives that are out there. And to put things in perspective, $20 billion dollars is a lot of profit, but its partly down to the fact the sector is so big. The CBA alone had last year $138.2 billion of funds under management. Banking margins are higher than they should be, but there are much bigger rip-offs out there; everyone just obsesses over finance because we all use it, variable mortgages mean its at the back of most people’s minds, most people don’t really understand the sector, and bankers are perhaps even easier to criticise than politicians.

      Also, to make the converse voting-with-your-feet argument that doesn’t get trotted out so much. If the banks are such terrible oligopolists and their profits so obscenely excessive - well, they’re all publically listed companies! Sell your house and get rid of that horrible mortgage, rent somewhere, and sink all the proceeds into Bank shares. You’ll be rolling in cash in no time, right? So why not be a perpetrator of bank greed rather than a victim? The “money and power in so few hands” line is misleading to the point of deception in the way it conflates executive pay and decision making with shareholder gain through profit. The CEOs are overpaid, but so are the CEOs of nearly any company you buy from; businesses paying their managers too much doesn’t entail that you’re paying too much for their products. A slice of the $20 billion action, on the other hand, is open to anyone who wants it.

      There are of course some sensible suggestions in amongst Hockey’s blathering on the topic, however he did such a terrible job pressing his case that I think he may have managed to somewhat discredit the good ideas along with the bad.

    • Terry says:

      09:17am | 02/11/10

      A company like Apple for example makes billions in profits. But we get nice products to choose from, ipods, laptops, ipads etc. You do not have to buy anything but those who do contribute to the profit of the company.

      What do we get from banks in return for the profits they make?

    • MarK says:

      11:36am | 02/11/10

      Security of the financial system. Liquidity of funds. The necessary back stop for the whole micro economic system.

      You do not want a dodgy bank system trust me.

    • An illogical fight says:

      02:11pm | 02/11/10

      John snidely suggests I work for a bank. I do not and never have. Australians should feel smug about our appropriately-regulated four pillars because they stood the ultimate test, passing with flying colours.  If Australians expected less, respected more, understood that all services must be paid for, paid off their massive credit card debts and budgeted better, they would have much less to complain about.
      At the bank counter last week a customer was loudly abusing a non-compliant loan officer who politely explained that a housing loan wouldn’t be wise for an applicant with small current personal equity. 
      That is how the northern hemisphere problems started - when the Clintons sold the idea that everyone was entitled to a bank loan loan regardless of whether they could meet regular mortgage repayments.
      There’s plenty of imperfect private (and government) enterprises, a notable one being medicos who charge extortionate fees for services that so often result in very bad outcomes.
      We should be careful what we wish for.  MarK you got it in a nutshell.

    • Matt says:

      09:24am | 02/11/10

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the banks were not sourcing overseas lending wouldn’t there be completely insufficient supply into our market, which would have forced the interest rates up long ago?

      Everyone loves to hate the banks, I get that, but isn’t the real problem the fact that we are borrowing to such excessive levels and not saving enough? Ack, what a ridiculous idea, blaming ourselves for our own predicaments in life! Not a vote winning idea that’s for sure.

      Probably the main cause for their huge profits is, of course, the hugely inflated property market. So if laying blame on someone else gives you that warm fuzzy feeling of superiority, perhaps look at the government incentives that propped property prices up in the first place. Yes the banks profit from our huge loans, but they were not the ones to inflate our real estate market.

      And if you think that banks will always be making the same record profits and aren’t taking on any risk, why wouldn’t you stop putting your money into them and start buying their shares?

    • Richie says:

      09:28am | 02/11/10

      Can our banks afford to make so much damned money? Can our banks not afford to make so much money? They pay over $7Bn into our tax system and employ over 135,000 people in Australia. Without the profits, the economy would be in real trouble - just ask the governments in the US and UK. The government here are not going to complain about the bank profits too much, as without them they would have to try and raise the tax revenue from elsewhere. Honestly, these articles are just like an episode of Yes Minister!

    • Dash says:

      10:22am | 02/11/10

      Richie, I agree with you. But why should the mining industry be taxed more? Same reasoning isn’t it? They already pay State royalties to extract the “wealth” from the ground. They are driving economic growth and foreign investment. They employ thousands of people. And, the more profit they make, the more tax they pay. Yet the Federal government wants to treat them differently from other profitable sectors of the economy. Why?

      Also, part of the success of our banking system and of our financial services sector through the recent GFC was the result of the Financial Services Reform Act which was brought down by the Howard government. People seem to discount that, the fact that we started from a surplus position with zero debt and China’s appetite for our resources when talking about our economy weathering the GFC. It certainly was not due to $900 handouts to dead people or the unnecessary second stimulus which has contributed to rising interest rates.

    • Andrew says:

      10:45am | 02/11/10

      Oh gosh yes Richie, if they do that much good then let’s not ever critique what they do and the way they do it. Let’s just instead keep our thoughts to ourselves and accept, with gratitude, all the good that the banks do…..really, can we please move beyond the very simplistic ‘economic centric’ model of our world and deal with some of the complexities of it which may involve challenging the status quo and perhaps looking for new and better models of society!

    • Dash says:

      09:55am | 02/11/10

      Another Labor government. Another round of interest rate rises. Some people never learn! Who keeps voting for this rubbish? Higher electricity prices, higher fuel prices, higher water prices, higher grocery prices, higher taxes, cuts in family wealfare, non delivery of election promises. This ALP is trying to turn the whole of Australia into the mess they’ve created in NSW! Gillard gets up in Parliament and tries to tell us they are the party of real reform! I think we can do without this type of reform thanks Jools. Still waiting for “root and branch” tax reform thanks. Any sign of grocery choices or fuelwatch? Laptops in schools perhaps? Has the revolution started? Are we moving forward yet? Are are these the price rises we had to have? Who’s buying this cr@p?

    • Steve says:

      11:31am | 02/11/10

      You don’t really believe this do you?

    • Daryl says:

      12:49pm | 02/11/10

      Steve I agree with Dash!

      Since the ALP won office we have, higher electricity prices (and a price on carbon will send them further skyward), higher fuel prices (what happened to fuelwatch?), higher water prices, higher grocery prices (what happened to grocery choice?), higher taxes, cuts in family wealfare, less affordable housing (Rudd promised “more affordable housing”), more expensive childcare (Rudd promised “cheaper better childcare”) and the non delivery of a raft of other election promises. They haven’t delivered root and branch tax reform. They haven’t delivered the 260 childcare facilities promised. They are pursuing inflationary policies of a carbon price and water restrictions on the Murray and interest rates are rising partly because of their not necessary second stimulus. Which bit is fantasy?

      You’d have to be an ALP blind Freddy not to agree!

    • underdog says:

      03:29pm | 02/11/10

      Actually interest rates were much higher when Howard left office - please inform yourself before posting ignorant rants.

      As for cost of living, increasing population competing for dwindling resources=higher costs.
      If you want to stop this population growth, fine, just don’t complain when you lose your job, your home value plummets and you spend your retirement in poverty due to a reduced pool of working aged taxpayers around to support you.

      Here’s some tips - don’t pay ridiculously inflated prices for real estate, don’t waste electricity, water, petrol and gas, live within your means and save money for a rainy day. Not that difficult. Or, like @Dash you can just blame the Government because it’s so much easier than shock, horror, taking personal responsibility.

    • Nicole says:

      04:29pm | 02/11/10

      Ok underdog, I have actually cut back on so much electricity, I feel like I’m living in the stone ages. Now, would you like to explain to me why my last electricity bill was $1100? Please, share your wisdom.

    • Dash says:

      07:21am | 03/11/10

      underdog, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story. This is the 7th increase in interest rates in the last 12 months. The cash rate under Howard was at 4.25 and it is now at 4.75, so sorry but “much higher” doesn’t seem to be the truth. Still the ALP do have issues with the truth these days.

      I think you’ll find that the RBA are concerned with inflation and that’s part of the reason for the increase yesterday. This inflation is on the back of the ALPs second stimulus which was not required, overheating the economy. Basically poor economic management. A price on carbon and water restrictions on the Murray, will only put further pressure on inflation and further pressure on interest rates. Those two policies have little to do with population growth.

      I might add, that under the Hawke/Keating Labor governments, interest rates were as high as 17.5%!

      Population growth is a lame excuse for the ALP not delivering it’s promises of Grocery Choice, Fuel watch, More affordable housing, cheaper better childcare, Laptops in schools, 260 childcare centres, not to touch the rivate health tax rebate, and no carbon tax!

      The population has been growing since federation!

      In terms of economic ignorance, your post is a shining light.

    • Troy says:

      11:30am | 03/11/10

      Nicole @ 4:29pm.  Your electricity bill is $1100 ??  Is this for a quarter, or the whole year ?  If it’s a whole year, then whilst still high it probably isn’t unreasonable.  But if it’s just for a quarter…..
      Just what do you have running to suck up so much power, i’m guessing ducted air-con, a swimming pool, and probably a plasma tv or two..

    • Nicole says:

      04:41pm | 03/11/10

      @Troy, one plasma, only used at night, unless QT is on, a pool, only use the filter a couple of times in winter and I’ve cut back on lights, turn things off a the wall etc. And that was a bloody quarter ! Nearly froze to death this winter because I refused to run the electric heating. I tell you what though, my hot water bottle got a bashing.

    • underdog says:

      06:16pm | 03/11/10

      @Dash

      The Coalition were kicked out of office with mortgage rates at 8.55 per cent.

      The highest 90 day bank bill interest rate of 21.39% occurred in April 1982 when John Howard was Treasurer of Australia.

      You are attempting to politicise interest rates when the market is what decides them - not Governments. You obviously swallow partisan BS without question. Fact - Australians have been on a 15 year debt binge, so they are now reaping what they have sown.

      As for economics, I am in my 30s and own my home with no debt and have savings to spare. I paid this off on an average wage by saving and working hard. My utility bills are offset by solar panels, solar hot water and a water tank. My food bills are offset by a productive vegetable garden.

      I am a charitable soul and vote for parties that help those in real trouble, like asylum seekers. I do not vote for parties who dish out hypocritical populist empty rhetoric in order to appeal to greedy Aussie “battlers” who live beyond their means.

    • peter says:

      09:57am | 02/11/10

      they pay executives TOO MUCH, especially the CEO.  And shareholders are revolting, big time.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:10am | 02/11/10

      I’d love to ‘vote with my feet’ but its kinda hard when I have to pay exorbitant (I would say extortionate) leaving fee’s joining fees’ transfer fees, establishment fee’s, fill out reams of paperwork, get this signed, get that countersigned, get that witnessed, produce this document, file this one, apply for that one….ahh fuck it! I’ll just save time and stress and stay where I am…..

      The system is designed deliberately to NOT let you ‘vote with your feet’.

      I’d vote to let banks do what they will with rates IF they make it an easy - penalty free, instant transfer to ANY banking provider with no bullshit.

      Got buckleys of seeing that ever happen though.

      Lets get a ‘Super Profits Tax’ on banks up and running NOW!

    • Steve says:

      10:20am | 02/11/10

      I don’t understand why people don’t vote with their feet. There are other options. INGDirect for one, has an account with no fees, ever. They even refund your ATM fee. Stop complaining, and actually DO something about it.

    • Farmer says:

      11:12am | 02/11/10

      Obviously, Steve, you are a Joolya lover: and quite glaringly obviously, never had a loan, esp a business loan, One does not “vote with one’s feet” when one has a business loan. It costs! Bank charges (a generic and all encompassing term) apply to every dealing you have with a major bank. OTC, online, cheque, consulting - it doesn’t matter. Stamp duty on transfer of mortgages, establishment fees, the list goes on.

      INGDirect are fabulous if you are a wage earner with no debt. Try sitting on the other side of the fence and looking at the challenges faced by those who fill your INGDirect a/c each week.

    • Greg says:

      12:54pm | 02/11/10

      People didn’t vote with their heads last election Steve! We still have a waste of space ALP in government thanks to an $11b taxpayer funded bribe. How could you expect people to vote with their feet if they can’t even manage to vote out this failure of a government!

    • Barry Business Class says:

      10:24am | 02/11/10

      It’s all well and good to spend tax payer dollars on enquiries into the banking sector. But we could all save a hell of a lot of money (and reduce the banks profits) by bothering to review our banking oce in a while.

      The big 4 only make these profits due to Joe Citizen. The average Australian is pretty bereft when it comes to getting the most out of their bank accounts. 3 of the big 4 banks have transaction accounts available for the majority of their customers with no monthly account keeping fees: whether they be under 21, student, pensioner, retired, or have their salary paid into the account (in the case of NAB everyone’s included apparently).

      In regards to exception fees, they’re there for a reason (you used your account in a way that it cost the bank extra time and effort). Instead of spreading the cost over all the banks customers, they just sting the customers overdrawing accounts, missing payments, wanting bank cheques, sending funds overseas etc.

      In regards to home loan rates? There’s a multitude of lenders out there, all you’ve got to do is bother looking up a website like Rate City to compare their products. It’s easy to switch as long as your loan isn’t locked into a fixed rate (also some lenders will charge to get some ROI if your loan is less than 4 years old). Even the big 4 have some decent rates if you go for the basic loans rather than the premium options (about 6.7% instead of 7.4%). Or you could have locked in a fixed loan 18 months ago at 4.99%? Nice to look back in hindsight isn’t it?....

    • Martin says:

      10:53am | 02/11/10

      The comments like we need independent banks must come from people who do not know that not so long ego, before the politicians sold off bank commonwealth, our banks were profitable and strong and whats more did not take us for mugs and paid us interest on every dollar we had in the savings accounts. The banks did not charge us one cent to access our money and even supplied bank deposit books free of charge, We were able to make an appointment and speak to a bank manager. Once again they were profitable, the shareholders were happy and so were the superannuation funds. So there is not one reason which supports the view that government regulated banks cannot be as strong as unregulated banks. The only thing that would change most likely would be the salary packages of the banks CEO’s.

    • Farmer says:

      10:56am | 02/11/10

      Hmmm…. not overly complicated: RBA cannot afford to stop raising interest rates - because if they do, the value of our National Debt will balloon. Drop the dollar & the size of our borrowings increases proportionately. The Big Four Banks also have this behind their strategies. Keep borrowing while the dollar is so high & it’s cheap money. At the same time we can annihilate the small business sector. How many average Australians realise that small business is paying approx 4-5% more than the average home buyer?

      The previous comment that if you can’t afford business rates, you aren’t viable shows ignorance of the nth degree. Most small businesses do annual budgets for the banks. Very few home buyers ever have to justify their borrowings. Some of these home buyers are just as risky as business borrowers; but they are taking advantage of subsidised lending rates. Banks take advantage of small businesses because the amounts involved are invariably much higher than a home loan.

    • stephen says:

      11:00am | 02/11/10

      Joe Hockey’s interference in official interest rates may simply be the State’s input into the credit circle ; that is, it could be seen as a process of further Democratization of trust networks.
      Simply, a Government’s regulation of credit would through the ‘marketing’ of interest rates may be of benefit to the consumer.

    • Paul says:

      11:14am | 02/11/10

      I agree with Steve. Vote with your feet and your wallet, move your business elsewhere like a credit union.

    • Bryan says:

      11:35am | 02/11/10

      David, the biggest mistake the Australian Government made was selling the Commonwealth Bank. In doing so it lost a ‘lever’ that it could use to keep the other banks honest on everything from business rates to mortage rates to credit card rates.

    • Stuart Eastern says:

      12:08pm | 02/11/10

      These greedy grubs manufacture nothing to benefit Australia,all they manage to do is to make billions of dollars in profits out of other peoples money and rip off excess funds out of people that borrow other peoples money.

    • Jack says:

      12:22pm | 02/11/10

      Bankers are plentiful animals that love biting and have a nasty long lasting venom. As pests overunning society, maybe there should be the occasional culling, starting at the top bankers?

    • Jack says:

      12:22pm | 02/11/10

      Bankers are plentiful animals that love biting and have a nasty long lasting venom. As pests overunning society, maybe there should be the occasional culling, starting at the top bankers?

    • Trude says:

      12:56pm | 02/11/10

      The answer is simple, don’t like it, vote with your money. I haven’t used any of the 4 in over 15 years, finding that there are credit unions which suit my needs much better and cheaper.

    • Chris Treg says:

      01:29pm | 02/11/10

      Do you remember the days when banks, like other businesses, paid dividends on profit made by their commercial activities after costs?  Now they still make the profit but charge extra in fees to cover these costs thus making more profit.  This rort presents an officially lowish bankrate that, looks good but is nowhere near reality.  Imagine doing your weekly shop and having an additional sum added to cover normal running costs.  The banks do it so why not?

    • Joe says:

      01:38pm | 02/11/10

      Totally agree with you David - I am experiencing this first hand. I run a small business and have loans with the ANZ. In the past 12 months I have had our rates increased and now being pressured to move banks (some loans that they wrote few years ago in our favour seems not to be returning high enough for the bank). The trick they use is to do a revaluation on your properties from their favourable valuer which brings your properties well below market price. Once this happens your “ratios” are not correct and they can ask you to either payout the loan, auction your property and further increase your interest rates and charges.

      It has taken me $20,000 and 8 months of legal argument to have the properties revalued. Originally the bank argued we could only use their valuer, then few months later gave us a choice of 3 valuers (again, all had been contacted by ANZ prior to my call and knew about the properties - how can this be totally independent valuations when the bank is coaching the valuer for the lower ranges). I used a totally different valuer from a different bank and the values came in at over 70% higher on one of our properties. Its comical, but only if you are not involved.

      For people who might be thinking why don’t we try to move to another bank or lending institution? Well, we are trying, but the first thing is that they banks are very aggressive - when the bank’s valuation came in low we needed to accept the higher interest rate or pay down the loan, if you do not they give you an ultimatum to pay the loan or within 6 weeks they can put your property to auction. We are now paying lawyers to give us time to move banks.  Unless you are involved, you honestly do not understand the pressure and stress the banks unnecessarily cause through gouging .

    • MB says:

      02:45pm | 02/11/10

      Ahhh, I have always loved the paradox of lending a Bank my hard earned savings, having them reinvest that money for their own profit whilst then turning around and charging me for that privilege via fees.

      That’s what it’s all about.

    • Rod says:

      03:09pm | 02/11/10

      You could always put it under your mattress and watch it slowly become worthless.

    • MarK says:

      02:59pm | 02/11/10

      For those who want to read some extra stuff this is quite a thought provoking piece.

      It is hosted on BoltA’s site - not written by him. It argues why Hockey was right and why Benson was right to. Swan will be spitting chips he didn’t release his plan first but of course the rhetoric has taken over and now he has boxed himself into a corner which he can’t get put of least hr faces his own criticism.

      Hockey has out manoeuvred him brilliantly. It must hurt.

      http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_hockey_is_right/

    • Bruce says:

      03:05pm | 02/11/10

      The banks got us by the ‘scruff of the neck’ when our pay packet was forced into being paid into a bank account. This practice forced all of us to have to be associated witha financial institution. Can we go back to the days of receiving ‘cash’ each week ? Maybe if we all approached our unions and employers to insist we can receive our pay in cash ! See how quick the financial institutions complain, less accounts, less free deposit funds, less fees, less customers to trap into other products !

    • MarK says:

      03:13pm | 02/11/10

      And in news just in

      “The Commonwealth Bank was the first to move, hiking its standard variable mortgage rate by 45 basis points, almost double the Reserve Bank’s move of 25 basis points.

      “The Commonwealth Bank have today announced that as a result of continued increases in funding costs, we are lifting our variable home loan interest rates by 0.45 per cent, effective of Friday the 5th of November 2010,” the bank said.

      http://www.news.com.au/money/interest-rates/reserve-bank-board-interest-rate-decision-live-coverage/story-e6frfmn0-1225946624323

      Mice work CBA raspberry

      What was that hockey fellow saying the other day?

      How is that Swan guy going to respond without being a “Hansoite” or a “socialist” or “anti-reformer”?

      Ahhh good times.

      Slow star for Joe - impeccable timing now.

    • Ryan says:

      10:31pm | 02/11/10

      @MarK: did you see that bumbling fool Swan’s reply to the latest gouge from the Comm Bank, Hockey shows just how much more class and substance he has than that backstabbing weasel.

    • Noel says:

      03:56pm | 02/11/10

      If the banks are going to push back on interest rate controlthen how can they operate under the protective ‘umbrella’ of the RBA & Government. Let’s open up the market & see where their margins go then.

      Mike Smith is typical of the banking industry that feeds off the near monopoly & protected environment that they operate in - how else do bank profit rates grow while other businesses shrink ?

      Banks claim it is the shareholder pressure - unfortunately that has not been seen especially when so many of those shareholders are small investors and prepared to understand ‘hard times’ and lower margins.

      There is a real need for a full investigation of the banking industry as it is going to eventually strangle the economy in my opinion.

      And while the banks ‘fiddle’ we have the PM waltzing around Asia like a ‘kid in a candy shop’ and totally out of her depth. Unfortunately Hockey has raised the issue so the Government will not embrace the issue.

    • Dan says:

      04:46pm | 02/11/10

      YES, the banks are right to make such big profits;  Even more profits should be squezzed from the people at all levels on all products.  This is Capitalism at its best.  I don’t care about anything, including YOU, except…PROFIT! MORE, MORE. I love capitalism and greed is great.

    • Richard says:

      05:30pm | 02/11/10

      Yep, the rate rise we were all set for last month (but didn’t get because half the RBA board were too lazy to even show up for the meeting) has finally arrived. Now, if the FMOC announce a huge QE program on thursday morning (like I fully expect they will), then I don’t think there can be any doubt that the ‘decoupling’ theory regarding the Chinese and US economies has been decisively proven correct.

    • St. Michael says:

      05:57pm | 02/11/10

      The elephant in the room here is the state of the US economy, and I’m beginning to suspect the government knows it as well as the banks.  In short: it’s bad, and it will get worse.  The reason for that is because the US’s current unfunded liabilities are running about 3.5 to 1 above its tax intake per year.  That is, the US has to pay out about 7 trillion dollars per year in maturing bonds and other liabilities when total tax revenue for the entire Federal government is about 2 trillion per year.

      That is a massive debt, and it is only permitted to continue because the bond market is enjoying the returns it’s getting on US dollars as a result.  If the bond market decided en masse that US dollars are too risky to invest in any further, the party would be over in a heartbeat, and the US would crash into the biggest recession or Depression it’s seen, or alternatively would head for Weimar-Republic style hyperinflation.  It can happen.  Zimbabwe is one example of when it does.  The only difference being that the IMF can’t bail out the US; America’s economy is too big.  The US routinely flouts every principle of austerity that the IMF prescribes for other, “less developed” countries.

      You know why your Australian dollars are now roughly equal to a US dollar? It’s got nothing to do with Awesome Aussie Products or Awesome Aussie Banks.  It has everything to do with the fact the US Treasury just bought back $1 trillion of its own bonds.  They used to call this by another day back in the 30s and 40s—it’s called printing money, because that’s the only way the US can buy back any of its own bonds.

      In short, the US just kicked off the inflation race.  I can’t understand why every financial commentator this side of Oruzgan Province isn’t screaming right now, because when inflation starts up, it’s the devil’s own job to stop it, and governments only print money in this way in the hope of shifting blame to big companies when they start raising prices as a result.

      I’m not going to start predicting precise dates—nobody can do that—but everyone from Obama and Benanke down has said the US’s current debt levels are ‘unsustainable”.  That is, they can not continue.  They have said this themselves.  Obama’s healthcare plan just accelerates the crash.  Eventually the bond market will say “That’s it, your debt level is so high we do not have confidence you will pay off your bonds”, and when it does the US has only three options: print 7 trillion dollars to pay the bonds off (which will screw the planet economically as hyperinflation in the US trickles across to other countries), default on the national debt (which is, oddly, the only rational thing to do), or cut spending 40% across the entire board in US government (which won’t happen because the US government—Democrat or Republican—has never had the guts to do it.).  China won’t be able to save us; it’s frantically trying to create its own self-sustaining economy, but it depends unquestionably on the US buying all its cheap crap to survive.  As do we.

      Reason I go into that is because I suspect this is why the government is saying nothing about the banks.  The banks are shoring up their reserves for when the US economy collapses.  I suspect the government knows it and that’s why it won’t say peep to the banks.  It is simply a matter of time.

    • fred says:

      06:19pm | 02/11/10

      I’m not concerned at all about the banks. They can make as much money as they like (within reason - 2% is an ok margin).

      But….why is Australia so wonderful that it costs me 10 x the gross average wage to buy a property in the outer burbs of melbourne, yet I can buy a better property for 2 x average wage in San Diego?

      Heck, I can buy a double storey 4 bedroom 1/2 acre property in the midwest for less than 1 x average wage.

      Is the US a worse lifestyle? not really, I’ve been there about 15 times. American in-laws, I know the ins and outs. Australia? great place to come for a hoilday (in a tent). To live? Horrifically expensive. Moving house and business to the US in about 2 months - permanently. From a business perspective the US wins hands down.

      A maccas chicken burger (yuck! but good comparison) costs about $3+ Aus, in the US it is $1 or less. Sure wages are about 50% of Aus, but cost of living is easily 3/4 less in the US.

      The point I am making is that this is a global economy. A 2% bank margin is nothing compared to the eventual levelling of asset prices in an economy.

      Worry about the asset - not the bank charges!!!!!!!!!

    • Down with the banks says:

      07:20pm | 02/11/10

      Banks have a captured market - I would be happy to receive my pay, tax cheque etc in cash but this cannot be done.  Taxpayers supported the banking industry through the gfc and they get a free ride against real competition.

      Simply, Australia Post must be established as a “no frills” Government bank to keep the greedy banks honest.

    • sean says:

      08:44pm | 02/11/10

      The banks will and continue to come up with any excuse to raise interest rates or to put up fees and to cry poor ole us our cost have risen it cost more to do such and such that argument would work if there profits actaully fell, but they haven`t and now have reached obscene levels that are just ripping us off and the cost to small business is outrageous.If the govenment has to raine in and regulate the banking system and they should there are only one group to blame and thats the greed and smugness of the banks themselves.

    • Joe says:

      09:31pm | 02/11/10

      The big 4 banks in australia are an utter disgrace and I am outraged with th commonwealth banks almost doubling of the rate rise today. The banks deals that the only way to keep their stellar yearly profit increases is to inflate their interest rates. And the Labor government is letting them get away with it.

    • Griz says:

      01:54am | 03/11/10

      The one thing that I cannot understand is that, how can a business like banking that has so far reaching ramification on the daily lives of Australian people can get away with making decisions thats affects the economy of the country and yet the Government, elected by the people of Australia, who is meant to make decisions for the people does not have whatsoever control over these banks…

      I am not saying the government should regulate the banks but I am sure there are things government can do for the majority of Australians beside just making idle threats/comments like Swan do all the time??!

    • Tarzan says:

      02:34am | 03/11/10

      If you follow the trail of the biggest shareholders you will find this amazing circle of Banks and Big companies with shares in each other. For example Westpac are one of the biggest shareholders in the CBA, and the CBA is one of the biggest shareholders of Westpac. Then the very biggest shareholder of the CBA is JP Morgan Nominees Australia Limited and the shareholders in that company are National Australia Bank, Macquarie Bank, QANTAS, and then the CBA has shares in all these companies that have shares in it. Its a world of merry go round shares. It’s BS to suggest Mum and Dad investors are gaining from this. Some journo needs to do a big story on this. Look and you will find all this strange information.

 

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