Can Bob Hawke save Kevin Rudd? Can the man who was so popular and led so much reform in Australia in the eighties help Kevin Rudd sell his mining tax today?

Is Hawkie going to make one last guest appearance?

You couldn’t think of two more different Prime Ministers than Bob Hawke and Kevin Rudd, despite the fact both have enjoyed astronomical levels of popularity in the past. But it is perhaps the way that Hawke and Rudd managed the introduction of big reforms that seems to have really set the two apart.

So can Rudd learn from Hawke? Well Hawke’s former resources minister has told The Australian he has to , while The Age reports that Hawke could already be playing some role in negotiations with the miners.

Former Hawke Government resources minister Peter Walsh has told The Australian that Kevin Rudd should have taken a leaf out of his and Paul Keating’s books when they introduced the petroleum resources rent tax in 1984.

Walsh claims that Rudd’s consultation with miners this time round has been pretty woeful, and has gone as far as naming Rudd as the chief “obstacle” to better relations between the two parties.

Meanwhile The Age reports that the more Labor friendly Western Australian mining magnate Twiggy Forrest, has approached Bob Hawke to play a hand in negotiations between miners and Rudd.

Forrest has gone as far to say that Hawke “would love to get involved” in the process.

Surely the involvement of a former Labor leader who was Prime Minister nearly 20 years ago would be too much of an embarrassment for a man of Rudd’s pride? The electorate would then also ask the legitimate question as to why it’s now up to Bob Hawke to sell Kevin Rudd’s tax policy?

Still, pride can go by the wayside when you’re faced with the shameful prospect of joining the elite club of one-term Australian governments, and it’s not that rare for former politicians to get involved in big policy debates.

For his part Rudd was attempting to deal directly with miners himself yesterday, meeting with BHP Billiton boss Marius Kloppers. Yet, like a lover scorned, it seemed that BHP didn’t have much time for Mr Rudd, with the SMH reporting that BHP’s views on the tax are “unchanged”.

But The Australian’s Paul Kelly points out today that while brand Rudd as we know it might be dead, the Prime Minister is not yet doomed.

“Brand Rudd is damaged but it is absurd to think Rudd is finished. He has, however, entered dangerous terrain and there is a touch of desperation about Labor falling on Abbott’s persona and rekindling Work Choices as its saviour.”

Rudd is in Perth today hoping to have more talks with miners and will need every bit of that Bob Hawke fairy dust as he enters hostile territory.

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    • dead to me says:

      07:02am | 09/06/10

      I think Rudd never had what it takes to be a prime minister. He has moved on to the whole mining tax thing without finishing what he started with health, ETS policy etc. I voted for Kevin in 07 but I’ll never vote for him ever again. In fact I’ve given up on Labor altogether.

    • WKH says:

      07:54am | 09/06/10

      Krudd has no chance of learning anything from Hawke. When are you blokes going to except he is dead….Unelectable rabble….Andrew Bolt is calling it as it is “KEVIN Rudd is finished. Few voters now want to hear him, and fewer still believe him”
      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/prime-minister-kevin-rudd-facing-his-waterloo/story-e6frfhqf-1225877199663
      I just have to wonder what planet some of you are from.  Do you really believe in what you write or are you just stubborn in your political beliefs, so much so that you will ignore utter incompetence just to keep Labor in power. At what cost this country….

    • Notorious says:

      10:45am | 09/06/10

      The cost of keeping out Tony Abbott. Any price is well worth that.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      05:26pm | 09/06/10

      WKH,
      I wouldn’t be siding up with Andrew Bolt on anything. The guy is a fully fledged right wing nut bag. He makes Nick Minchin look tame.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:06pm | 09/06/10

      Evan Findlay :  You have to admit he sure has got Rudd’s number Evan.
      Unless the commentator was somewhere to the left of Joseph Stalin ,
      you would label him or her right wing. !

    • jasin says:

      08:29pm | 09/06/10

      Notorious you are seriously dumb, your labour allegiance means more to you than the welfare of your family, Shame on you!

    • Dan says:

      01:43am | 10/06/10

      Evan Findlay, I couldn’t agree with you more. The same is also true of Alan Howe.

    • Cecil says:

      08:04am | 09/06/10

      Hawkie is an angel, well actually he may be closer to a little devil but he is very loved with older Aussies. Hopefully he will jump onboard, it’s sure a contrast to Malcome Fraser who left the Liberal Party under Abbotts watch. I have not given up on Labor, they had a tough first term with the GFC. Anyone to me is preferable to Tony Abbott. He is too hard line. His views on women and gays are not the best , of which I am neither but whats good for one should be good for all

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:23am | 09/06/10

      I don’t care what pople think of Abbott. Voting Labor says “we don’t care about complete incompetance, as long as we like you”. If Abbott turns out to be the same or worse then we should turf him out and ensure some quality within our parliament.

      Also Tony Abbotts “views” which is what the media makes of them will not lead to any huge legislative changes to marginilize these groups. The fact that there are more voting women then men ensures he won’t be committing political suicide against this gorup and whilst his views towards homosexuality won’t be progressive it is not like the socially progressive labor have done much for thier issues either.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:42am | 09/06/10

      Cecil :  They didn’t really have a tough time with the G.F.C. as they were handed an economy in excellent shape , on a silver platter.
      If any person believes Hawkie is needed to save Rudd’s skin , then Rudd does not deserve a second bite of the cherry.
      For this country’s sake , John Howard would be far more acceptable to the electorate if he stepped forward to assist Tony Abbott to remove the failed P.M. from office.

    • BigBob says:

      08:08am | 09/06/10

      The Unions support the mining tax, that should be a wake up call for many of you deep thinkers, without men being employed there will be no union members and without members the Unions get no fee’s!! Rudd has my vote.

    • dovif says:

      08:36am | 09/06/10

      BigBob

      You do know that most unions leader’s retirement plan is a safe seat in the ALP, you can look around the personal profile of all ALP members of parlisment (federal and state) and find that over 60% was union organisers or presidents

      The unions are just the recruitment office of the ALP, I would not even remotely listen to what a union leader say.

      Unions no longer stands for their members, that is why the unions have been in decline for 40 years

    • Overflow says:

      10:06am | 09/06/10

      Big Bob,  if the Labor Party is entertaining the thought of Hawke coming to the rescue of Rudd, the gifted one must really be on the nose of the union members.
      Secondly, every union has urged the PM to compromise ASAP, doesn’t look like they support the tax as it stands.

    • d'oh says:

      10:21am | 09/06/10

      This kind of reasoning lacks logic.

      Generally if a Union decides something, your safest bet is to do the exact opposite.

      If you still believe the Unions are in it for their members, bully for you.

    • Mitch says:

      02:56pm | 09/06/10

      try living and working in a mining town then ask yourself if you are in favour of the mining tax

    • Sherekahn says:

      08:21am | 09/06/10

      Is it not likely that Kevin Rudd got the stimulus to study Chinese after Bob Hawke gave residence to the Chinese students after Tiananmen Square massacre?  No? Perhaps he did start earlier.
      Perhaps Bob could come back for a couple of years and make Kevin his Foreign Minister.

    • Andrew says:

      08:28am | 09/06/10

      Seems pretty clear that Labour is rattled if they need to dig Bob up to help Krudd!  What next? Keating?  Maybe Kristina should jump on the same band wagon and go find Neville Wran!!

    • persephone says:

      12:17pm | 09/06/10

      Yes, a bit different from the Liberals, where the only time you see ex leaders is when they’re bagging the current leadership.

      Malcolm’s left the party, Hewson’s supporting the mining tax, even Costello makes it clear he would never have put Abbott anywhere near anything to do with finance.

    • Andrew says:

      03:49pm | 09/06/10

      Even so Pers, you are still well on the way to losing power. Must be driving you CRAZY!

    • Grumbles says:

      03:59pm | 09/06/10

      Pers, Costello was never the party leader. Fraser bagged the Libs and in the same breath claimed Rudd was worse than Whitlam, so do you buy into all of what he said, half or none? Hewson most definitly does not support the tax in its current form, and his comments were more directed at the advertising, not the tax itself…. and as far as Labor is concerned, Mark Latham, no more need be said.

    • antiperspirant says:

      04:31pm | 09/06/10

      HAHAHAHA pers.

      Always a bit selective with the statements.

      Lets turn it around.

      How many Labor members have a nice thing to say about KRudd?

      Hmmm?

      How many really like and admire the guy?

      Latham who is a much recent leader of Labor is not a big fan. In fact is quite open with his Kevvie hatred.

      Oh dear. Ex leader bagging current one. Not a good look pers.

    • Stay out says:

      08:38am | 09/06/10

      I cant imagine why Hawke wont want to bother with Rudd. Generally speaking Hawke despite his ups and downs is associated with success and progress, Why tarnish his record now by helping the inept.

    • acker says:

      08:39am | 09/06/10

      Seems to be heading the same direction the Goss government when it ended in Queensland in the mid 90’s; Kevin needs to cut the states loose they are dragging him down

    • John Vance says:

      08:49am | 09/06/10

      Why should he be saved? Isnt he already a christian?
      The population should be saved from Rudds inattention to what people need. Wasnt he elected for that purpose? Is he our representative or his own?
      He made a great save when refusing to put up with the rest of the worlds financial demise, but proceeded to stuff it up with the Global warming issue.
      Charity starts at home, so should changing and cleaning up our energy habits.
      But the REAL issue should be local manufacturing of Solar panels (CSIRO) Wind power manufacturing, with all equipment made by the local work force, and a look at using thorium reactors, which are low radioactive and less (if any radiactive) waste. Stop looking at previous reactors with investors pushing their own barrows. You end up with old technology. See here and wonder >>
      http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/scripts98/9820/thoriumscpt.htm

    • Joan says:

      08:58am | 09/06/10

      Old codgers like Hawke and Fraser should be left to reminisce about their times as PMs , in 2010 they come with a different world view- the old world , they probably believe they have still got what it takes but the last couple of times I saw them on TV they presented as fuddy duddy old foggies- quaint old, old men - not the type of men to be doing business on the behalf of the government, no matter how good they were 20 -30 years ago

    • Nicole says:

      09:04am | 09/06/10

      The question should be, who’s going to save the people of Australia from Rudd?

    • Dave says:

      09:09am | 09/06/10

      Labor election campaigns are always such a laugh when they wheel out past PMs to help their campaign progress. Lets see if they drag Gough out of his nursing home to prove that they are still living in the past

    • Tim says:

      09:19am | 09/06/10

      Hawke won’t jump in to save Rudd - he despises him. But if Gillard were to take the reins…

    • Robert Smissen , rural SA says:

      10:41am | 09/06/10

      Now there is a very scary though! !

    • antiperspirant says:

      04:32pm | 09/06/10

      I just threw up a little in my mouth because I totally misread the jumping part.

      Hake has more class than that anyway.

    • Nitzpicker says:

      09:23am | 09/06/10

      Poor Kev,
      Status Quo;

      “...down Down down deeper and down Down down deeper and down”

    • Anjuli says:

      09:58am | 09/06/10

      I am an older Aussie and I for one don’t like Hawke ,all those who aspire to lead the country should do so without the help of past has been.

    • Saskia says:

      09:59am | 09/06/10

      Hawke was the best PM Labor have had.  Fraser was the worst PM the Liberals have ever had.

      Fraser was still better than Hawke.

      Rudd is so bad, his cabinet so incompetent, that they are simply unelectable.

      And give up on Gillard - she personally oversaw the BER… the worst rorted govt program in memory.  Wait until the full report comes out. 

      Talk about into the fire if they dump Krudd for her.

    • Troy says:

      10:09am | 09/06/10

      As a Liberal Voter I still believe that Bob Hawke was one of the best PM this country as ever seen. I do not believe he would ruin his reputation trying to endorse KRudd. Hawke is a Labor party man and always put the party and Australia first in everything he did. There is no way I can see Hawke standing beside Rudd with the total incompetence that Rudd has shown. Hawke has already been overheard saying that it kills him to see what Rudd is doing to this country. The only way I can see the Labor Party digging themselves out of this mess is to sack KRudd ASAP and go to the election with a fresh face.

    • Robert Smissen , rural SA says:

      10:46am | 09/06/10

      Troy I’m struggling with your statement that you are a Liberal voter. How could anyone in Australia say Hawke was a good PM? ? You obviously have forgotten the “Button Plan” just for staters. Hawke was soft on union thuggery, soft on law & order, the list is endless

    • d'oh says:

      11:18am | 09/06/10

      Bob Hawke certainly was a sucessful PM in my eyes, strange considering I am generally a conservative voter.

      Bob Hawke would lose my respect if he was to endorse either Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard.

    • Vicki says:

      11:19am | 09/06/10

      Are you kidding, Leo? It has been reported that Hawke phoned Rudd after the 2007 victory with some advice for the future and was told to “f… off” !!!

    • Andrew says:

      01:05pm | 09/06/10

      I reckon Mar Latham is more likely to help Rudd than Hawkey is.

    • antiperspirant says:

      01:18pm | 09/06/10

      Answer is no Leo.

      To mangle a quote…“because nothing can save the Prime Minister”

      People openly laugh when he talks now. He has become the caricature of the clever politician and no one believes a word he says.

    • luke09 says:

      01:48pm | 09/06/10

      Why would anyone want to save Rudd’s political career? He is Australia’s greatest moral challenge, a threat to Australia’s fair and free spirited culture, he is more unpopular now than workchoices ever was. It is time to remove this black mark on Australia forever.

    • Loose Lips says:

      03:54pm | 09/06/10

      Dont forget the “cancer on our society” bit as well from his bound to infamous quotations book!!

    • Mr NoMoreLabor says:

      03:07pm | 09/06/10

      The Kevinator aka Australia’s worst PM ever aka Mr DoNothingSpendAlot. No votes from my family, friends or me. Bye Bye Mr soon to be ex-PM.

    • Henry says:

      05:03pm | 09/06/10

      It is more accurate to say can Hawke save Gillard.

      Rudd is gone.  Stone cold, rolled-gold dead in the water politically.  Never has a name stunk it up so much amongst the thinking people of Australia.

      Will the ALP have the guts to run with a female ex socialist hard liner with an appalling record of govt program administration re: the BER?

      Or is it better not to scar Gillard with a humiliating loss at the polls and just run a patsy like Tanner or Swan as leader to take the defeat?

    • Against the Man says:

      05:49pm | 09/06/10

      KRudd the sterotypical Labor leader? Nah! He makes all Labor people ashamed of their party thanks to his ill tempered screw ups. Hey PM when you gonna apologise to the families of those killed in the insulation project associated with you?

 

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