On a recent trip the US I read journalist Dave Cullen’s book about the Columbine massacre. With a spate of highly-publicised suicides there apparently linked to bullying, and a subsequent rash of legislation in various states designed to “combat” the phenomenon, Columbine is a timely publication with much relevance to our own national debate on the subject.

A scene from Gus Van Sant's 2003 movie Elephant about the Columbine massacre

In his book, Cullen demolishes one of the central and most persistent myths of the Columbine massacre: that a pair of misfits with artistic and intellectual tendencies were hounded by meathead jocks until they finally snapped. Instead he paints a chilling portrait of a malignant relationship between a psychopathic narcissist and his angry and malleable best friend.

Yes, the Columbine kids were picked on, argues Cullen, but not as badly as many others and they certainly displayed no ideological biases when it came to blowing away their classmates.

As was the case at Columbine, a simplistic, dichotomous narrative is never going to be as popular as a nuanced view of school bullying.

For the past three months I have been working on a new television documentary project about adults who were bullied at school and those who bullied them. My interviews with a number of people have led to a series of unexpected discoveries, forcing me to question the nature of bullying and the solutions that have been proposed by various official bodies.

For starters, reporting bullying usually made the problem worse. One man who was subjected to an especially humiliating high school assault that led to the expulsion of the perpetrator talked of his regret at ever allowing the school authorities to find out. After the incident, the teasing doubled and the loss of an otherwise popular student only gave his tormentors further reason to hate him.

This situation doesn’t seem to be unusual. In fact, most people I’ve spoken to reported the same: any sign of weakness was only likely to increase the victimisation. Attempts by teachers to intervene only made it more covert, which tends to make me skeptical of the efficacy of many so-called “initiatives” - rooted as often in the fear of legal action as they are in any concern for the welfare of children - designed to “stamp out” bullying.

Another surprising finding of my research has been the number of people who seem to believe they were bullied – who will swear blind their school years were St Trinian’s meets the dental drill scene in Marathon Man – when they, quite frankly, weren’t.

In one interview a woman told me that she had once been cornered and threatened by a girl who sometimes called her names. This constituted the sum total of her experience as a victim of bullying. When I asked if she knew what had happened to the girl, she gloated about having once seen her on the bus looking bedraggled.

I acknowledge that some people are more sensitive than others, and that pressures in one area of our lives can sometimes magnify tensions in others, exaggerating our sense of persecution.

In my books, however, the above scenario is called “growing up” and calls for a good old-fashioned dose of get over yourself.

The bullies themselves have perhaps proved to be the most intriguing subjects. Some school bullies are, no doubt, sociopaths who will continue such behaviour their whole lives. Most, however, have far more ambiguous motives, and a number are tortured by guilt forever.

As a skinny gay boy with a taste for eccentric hairstyles at an all-boy’s school, I was a target of constant verbal abuse and occasional physical attacks. Nevertheless, I still took great pleasure in picking on the few boys lower than me on the totem pole and witnessed numerous incidents in which groups descended on individuals, seeming to absolve all involved of conscience or blame.

Some bullies are, of course, acting out of anger. One boy, older than us, who relentlessly picked on me and my best friend had the source of his rage revealed in humiliating fashion when his father was arrested for molesting little boys at a local swimming pool.

Some who have indulged in bullying behaviour say they felt pressure to do so from a peer group. This seems to be especially true of girls who are adept at a particular kind of bullying in which a “friend” is the subject of constant subtle put-downs. Such bullying is basically impossible to police because there’s little concrete evidence and it’s difficult for an external observer to see.

Other bullies had such appalling home lives it’s possible they didn’t even realise what they were doing constituted “bullying”. One boy I attempted to track down had become a drug addict and was murdered in especially sordid circumstances. He had a life far more tragic than anyone he had ever picked on.

There are few among us who can ever really claim to have never once indulged in bullying at school. The growth in cyber bullying seems to point to an intractable cultural problem – eliminate Chinese burns and wedgies and kids replace them with “unfriendings” and bitchy text messages.

I haven’t got the solution to bullying – judging by the number of buzz words like “strategies” and “learning experiences” used by education departments in their “zero tolerance” anti-bullying policies, neither do they – but I suspect that all the rhetoric and programs in the world are probably no match for something as complex as human nature.

If you’re over 25 and would like to participate in a documentary series about your experiences of school bullying, please email Brendan at brendanrshanahan@gmail.com for more information.

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    • Eric says:

      06:24am | 20/01/11

      I only ever found one solution to bullying - fight back. Even if you get beaten up, the bullies will look for easier meat next time.

      Oddly enough, when I punched the head bully, I didn’t get beaten up. Instead, his henchmen egged me on to be their new leader.

      Of course, situations may vary. That’s just the only solution I’ve ever found.

    • Gonzo says:

      07:20am | 20/01/11

      Eric, you’re a hero.

      “Their new leader”... ha. Nice fantasy.

    • Nafe says:

      08:15am | 20/01/11

      Exactly, Telling on someone or just taking it just shows weakness that bullies seem to thrive on. The solution of fighting back is not condoned or taught in schools or anywhere but the only way to stop bullying is to fight back, even if you are in for one hell of a beating.

      But in reality, in life, there are bullies at work, at schools etc and once you learn how to deal with it, then your life will be a hell of alot easier.

    • Markus says:

      08:44am | 20/01/11

      Great contribution there, Gonzo. Really.

    • Eric says:

      08:44am | 20/01/11

      Indeed, Nafe. I had been bullied for years, partly because I was a pacifist from about age 13 onwards. I believed it was morally wrong to fight back.

      On that day, when I was 16, I just snapped, and lashed out. I was shocked and ashamed of myself. However, I was not bullied again at that school. I changed my attitude to one of fighting back, no matter what the cost.

      The other bullies must have sensed my new approach, possibly because of the way I acted when threatened. They left me alone from then on.

      This was a male adolescent bullying case. For different circumstances, different actions might be more appropriate.

    • megan says:

      08:57am | 20/01/11

      eric that is the first sensible thing i have ever heard you say. well done.

    • Bob H says:

      09:20am | 20/01/11

      @Eric - Fighting back solved my being bullied at school.  Being small and thin I was easy pickings, but after continual bullying I had enough and punched one of them, flooring him with a lucky punch.  It was magical how the bullying stopped.  I suppose I should have gone to a bully victim workshops. psychologists and had mediation sessions with the bullies and their families, but my “lucky punch” method worked a treat, didn’t cost the tax payer or waste education resources.

    • Michael says:

      09:24am | 20/01/11

      Schools, for obvious reasons, cannot simply allow or condone the fight-back method, unless they were able to be immune from any legal action as a result. Not gonna happen. But I do agree with Eric, and reject the notion that it only makes it worse.

      It stands to reason that a frail skinny kid will probably lose the battle if they fight their larger, more physically capable bully back. But I can tell you from personal experience that if that skinny kid goes down each time swinging, they will eventually win. And have the confidence to boot. I imagine the physical punishment would have nothing on the feeling of helplessness from backing down.

      It can’t be encouraged on an official level, and schools need policies and rules to the contrary for their own protection, but since when have school rules been strictly followed by students?

    • BK says:

      11:15am | 20/01/11

      Many of the most picked on kids will bite every time. It becomes a sure-fire way to liven up a boring maths lesson. Fighting back only works if you hurt them enough to think “I won’t do that again”. For obvious reasons, kids cannot do this every time. I knew kids who had been in many fights, acquired many enemies, but weren’t able to fight any more, because the school came down on them so heavily, because of their history. They had a very hard time.

      The kids in Eric’s story probably pretended to like other kids that they secretly feared and disliked. Maybe they flattered him when no-one was watching, but they weren’t brave enough to swap sides when the crowd was watching.

    • Bernard says:

      11:16am | 20/01/11

      Such a simple thing that no one ever taught me; that it was ok to fight back. I wish my Dad had take me aside early on and said “Take a swing, son”.

      I`ll be telling that to my sons. The schools can go and f”%$ themselves. It took me years to rebuild my self esteem in my adult life and it had massive flow on effects in my lovelife, career etc. I do MMA now, but funnily enough no one tries anything on me these days.

    • Tombowler says:

      11:29am | 20/01/11

      Heres the problem Eric.

      Bullies are rarely cowards. Often they are stupid, often they are insecure, but cowardly?

      Generally they are well versed in schoolyard scraps and couldn’t give a f@#$.

      If you were even going to hit some big ape who was giving you sh#t then I always found at school you had to be ready to escalate. Publicly beat on and embarrass a bully and they’ll keep coming at you. I always found the only way to do it was to get well above and beyond anything normal or socially acceptable.

      If a bully hits you, you leap at him and bite, spit, kick, swing and generally f#$@ him up beyond all recognition. If a bully is stealing your bag or something you set his on fire. If a bully is spreading vicious rumours about you, you walk up behind him when he’s sitting at lunch, surreptiously light a cigarette, get him in a headlock, jam it into his forehead and tell him next time it’s his f#$king eye.

      The effect is two-fold. One, even a more physically powerful fighter will be shocked and shaken. Two; everyone in the schoolyard sees that you have a slightly maniacal streak.and decides that f#$%cking with you is more trouble than it’s worth.

      (Being a smoker in high school made the burning things possible)

      Basically if you want to take on a bully you have to show absolutely no fear of consequences and behave in a manner that is probably more reprehensible than the bully himself. Works though. I was bullied by one housing-trust case for my first year of high-school, once I toughened up a bit over summer and came back the prick left the school three weeks into the second term.

      Out of all the sh#t that I caused my ability to maintain eloquence and calm when the teachers started poking around inevitably lead the incoherent ape to cop the blame for everything. I bear no malice against him now and wish him all the best but have no regrets.

    • njn says:

      12:09pm | 20/01/11

      I agree and will be telling my kids to fight back if they are getting bullied.

      I remember being subjected to bullying by two particular guys at different times, once in primary school and once in high school. Only when I decided to fight back and got a few good punches to their heads did they stop. It only took me one fight to get them to stop for good.

      But just goes to show, show weakness and they will continue. People need to stick up for themselves.

    • dad says:

      12:14pm | 20/01/11

      My 2nd oldest boy was bullied in yr 6, he was pushed around, tripped over, had his lunch stolen, etc on many occasions.  The little fella is a bit over weight and this was the bullies reasoning.  The school did little more than talk to the bullies which did nothing at all.  Eventually after days of him not wanting to go to school I told him the next time they touch him he should retaliate with full force and try and knock down the ring leader, well he did just that, knocked the ring leader down so hard the kid sprained his wrist, he held him there until a teacher came.  I was then called up to the school for a ‘please explain’ at which point I told them, if you’re not going to protect my child while he is here and I can’t be here with him then he must learn to protect himself.  The bully ended up being expelled and my son carried on like normal.  He has not been picked on since.

    • Andrew says:

      12:16pm | 20/01/11

      The worst piece of advice I have ever been given was by my parents whos response to my bullying problem was “just ignore them and they will go away”. What a load of crock. By not fighting back and taking a stand I only made myself more of an easy target. The advice that I’ll be giving my son is” never start a fight but be prepared to finish one” and “if someone hits you, you hit them back twice as hard”

    • Eric says:

      12:19pm | 20/01/11

      Well Tombowler, maybe the bullies at your school were tougher than the bullies at my school. I can only tell about my own experience.

      Still, the basic story is the same. You fought back, I fought back - and the bullying stopped.

    • Syl says:

      12:46pm | 20/01/11

      Tombowler

      I disagree. I was bullied early in school due to my race (funnily enough my school was a predominantly Italian school and I was the only “skip”, having a Hungarian background didnt help either) and I have found in nearly every case of bullying I have seen or experienced the bully is a coward looking for an easy target.  You NEVER see bullies picking on someone who is their size or is known to defend themselves. Most bullies (schoolyard bullies) are not versed in the yard scrap because they’ve never experienced one, easy targets don’t fight back you see.  They arent looking for a fight, they are looking for someone who will take it so they can look tough in front of their friends.

      My father was a state boxer, and as well as teaching me boxing from an early age he gave me the best advice I have ever had, and advice I will be passing down, he said
      ” If you ever get into a fight at school I will only ask one question, did you start it or did he?  If you were bullied and defending yourself you will have to wear the consequences of the school, but you will never be punished by me.  BUT if I find out you started the fight, you will get the hiding of your life.  And just remember, if a fight is going to kick off and you know you can’t get out of it, ALWAYS get the first punch in…”

      I wasnt bullied long.  I got detention twice for scrapping, but the bullies left me alone once they realised it was too much hard work and they were just as likely to get smacked in the chops as I was.

    • LC says:

      01:10pm | 20/01/11

      Eric, that’s not a viable solution in this day and age.

      Outcome 1 (best possible outcome): You are disciplined by the school for fighting, even if the bully started it.
      Outcome 2: The bully sues you for assault and battery, even if he was the instigator, and you possibly get a police caution/criminal charges for it.
      Outcome 3: (worst possible outcome): The bully retaliates immediately or later with a gang or a knife.

      I’m got sort of lucky. When I was in year 9 I gave a bully the hiding of a lifetime. Two days later, the police are at the school and I’m dragged off to the cop shop to receive a caution for assault. From there the bullying became more relentless and common, until the bully and most of his gang dropped out to do a trade at the end of year 10. I have met people that were not so lucky though, a university pal of mine can show you a 6 inch long scar where he was slashed with a knife a bully smuggled out of cooking class when he punched him in the face. Was it bad luck? Maybe. But it’s not worth the risk.

      That being said, the government should be a lot doing more to combat this problem.

    • Hamlyn says:

      03:05pm | 20/01/11

      I remember my little sister being picked on constantly by a certain boy in primary school. One day we were out with our older brother when she pointed out the “bully” My brother gave him a belting and instructions never to pick on his sister again. End of story. The boy was really nice to her after that. Doesnt mean it will always work, these days the parents would send the police around!

    • Hamlyn says:

      03:05pm | 20/01/11

      I remember my little sister being picked on constantly by a certain boy in primary school. One day we were out with our older brother when she pointed out the “bully” My brother gave him a belting and instructions never to pick on his sister again. End of story. The boy was really nice to her after that. Doesnt mean it will always work, these days the parents would send the police around!

    • Markus says:

      03:11pm | 20/01/11

      LC we aren’t suggesting that fighting back will work for everyone.
      In Eric’s case it just happened to work though, as it has for others.

      Your statement that it is not viable nowadays is not always the case either. My experiences were that fighting back stopped bullies, and I only graduated in the last 8 years.
      The worst I got for fighting was warnings, the most serious of which was more out of concern that I would end up seriously hurt if I went that route over telling a teacher.

      Obviously your experiences had much worse ramifications, which shows that the topic is so much more complex than it is currently being made out to be by government and support groups.

    • Ceridwyn Owen says:

      03:52pm | 20/01/11

      “nobody can disrespect you without your permission”

    • george says:

      04:03pm | 20/01/11

      I agree with Tombowler. Most bullies love fighting and are not cowards, at least not physically. I certainly wanted a gun so I could shoot them and I would have felt no guilt at all but there was no way me or my friends were going to become “psychos” and burn cigarettes into their foreheads. We just had to take it.

      I think the only solution is to get a good dose of the right wing and have “special” schools for the bullies and maybe even have school courts.

    • Little Lady says:

      08:06pm | 20/01/11

      Yeah, that doesn’t work when you’re being picked on by a girl who is a foot taller and wider than you are.  Also girls are more subtle, being excluded and called names is a bit hard to fight back to.  When that is added to the fact that your teacher laughs at you when your getting called horrible names, any fighting back is useless.  Luckily I ended up changing schools and honestly there was relatively no bullying at that school.

      Though, Eric, your strategy worked for my brother, who never fought back, but the one time he did, he dropped the guy on the ground, since then he was never picked on.

    • Richard says:

      09:21pm | 20/01/11

      It’s really hard but I have also concluded that some people will only ever respect a physical response, although I think it is easier for guys.  My dad wasn’t a boxer, but when he was bullied at school the then boxing master gave him the advice to fight back and showed him how and it worked.  My dad passed it onto me and I applied it and the bullying stopped - so I agree, fight back, over react early, be crazy brave, and they’ll find someone else.  A little bit of self-defence training helps too, just so you don’t make a fool out of yourself.  I did a couple of years later in my teens and I really wish I’d done it earlier.  There are so many silly little things that you can do that are remarkably incapacitating.

      But that doesn’t apply for verbal bullying typical of girls.  People don’t take it seriously and it is desperately hard to respond.  Even the author of this article shows a total lack of empathy for someone who was verbally bullied.  I’m actually teaching my daughter she has the right to fight back if bullied and teaching her how…I don’t know if it is the right thing to do but I suspect a nicely delivered thump on the nose will stop most bullying girls in their tracks.  If not at least she’ll have the basics of self-defence for when she is older.

    • HeatherG says:

      10:17pm | 20/01/11

      During high school in the 1980s, I was constantly bullied by a girl who had serious “little bloke’s syndrome”—she would stab me in the arse with the pointy end of a compass, for example, and her “gang” would think that funny.

      I didn’t hit back, and I have been asked why, but basically it was because I was bigger and stronger than she was. I had hips and boobs by age 12,  spent my weekends with horses (and associated strength-increasing activities like lugging hay bales etc) and her head barely reached my shoulder. Early on in her campaign (which continued for a year) I pushed her after she flew at me—once—and ended up with detention and she was given no consequences at all (hence, her feeling that she could continue). If I’d hit her, I would have killed her, jokes aside. I was that angry.

      I wasn’t special, or singled out, or her only target, though, she did it to everyone. It was the inaction of those adults around her that allowed it. If anyone stood up for themselves, they were punished.

      Pity. She’s an educator now, btw. I wonder how she deals with bullies in her classes?

    • Josh says:

      12:15am | 21/01/11

      Yes! Finally someone who realizes that telling the school does nothing.

    • Nice guy, really! says:

      06:29am | 20/01/11

      Excellent piece Brendan. I was verbally bullied in year 8 by two year 9 boys. Even though I felt I stood my ground, i.e. attempted to ignore their consistent attempts at humiliation, I hated myself for many years for being to afraid to just smack them in the mouth. They would have killed me, of that I’m pretty sure. The experience has never left me.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      07:05am | 20/01/11

      Brendan you have stated what the good-intentioned are unable to see - adult intervention in childhood bullying makes the situation worse. I have often wished I had ignored the adults around me and broken a few bullies’ skins, it seems to be the only negotiation they would understand. I find it challenging to put up with the infrequent adult bullies in my work and social life but the good news is you do get better at it.

    • static says:

      07:15am | 20/01/11

      The best solution and I know its non PC is to fight back,bullies dont like that and if your child is being bullied ,take him/her to self defence lessons. it may cure the problem as well as give them some self confidence bullies only pick on those that they perceive as week,so teaching your children to walk straight and tall and look people in the eye would help.

    • Brenda says:

      07:23am | 20/01/11

      I’m just wondering if your research has taken you into any school/teaching environments where “big brother/big sister” measures almost eliminate on-campus bullying?

    • Brendan says:

      10:25am | 20/01/11

      Hi Brenda. No, it hasn’t. But I’d like to hear about it. Do you have a link?

    • Leon Wolfe says:

      12:42pm | 20/01/11

      This sounds like the “better buddies” program run by the Alana and Madeline Foundation, in which children from different year groups are encouraged to become friends and talk to each other, as well as providing rewards for friendly behavior.

    • Brendo says:

      07:41am | 20/01/11

      So lets see if I have correctly understood your positions:

      1. You were bullied as a child, but were equally happy to bully those “below” you.  Your only regret seems to by you were not higher in the pecking order so you could inflict yourself on more people “lower down”.

      2. Resistance if useless.  If you are bullied you should just suck it up and survive the next however many years.  Don’t seek help from the authorities it will only make it worse. 

      3. In order for a person to be pushed to the limit where he and his friend take guns to school in intending homocide and self immolation, you need to have a political manifesto.  I always thought Columbine was simply raw rage fuelled by years of systematic abuse. The perpetrators could see no other option but to end it all and visit some horror on those who had abused them for so long. 

      Maybe I see too much victim in the victims, but I think you see too much humanity in the perpetrators.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:08am | 20/01/11

      I think that is the issue Brendan - it is human to do that. We are just like chickens - there is a pecking order based on various social factors and we seek to exert “power” on anyone/anything we can. Most people do this non-invasively and subconsciously. Bully’s don’t. I think it takes a bit of gumption to state that you do it, even though most of us would swear black and blue that we do not.

      I was teased at school. I was not bullied. What this then made me do was try and tease myself before they could. I would beat them at their own game. What has that lead to? I was the class clown and eventually part of the popular group. As an adult I am now a self-depricating person with trust issues that loves to people watch and thrives on “oh my god, check out this bird”. In my tiny mind I think people are doing that to me, so why shouldn’t I do that to them? I am not proud of it - but I know there are a lot of people out there like me. It is not the people who teased me for those few week’s fault either - this is my issue and my issue alone. 

      I see some victim in the victims - but I think they see too much victim in themselves. Not to say I don’t think the bully’s have no blame. It takes a particular personality to bully, and generally that personality can not be told to change. We will never stamp it out - but we have to learn to deal with it as best possible (at an individual level). If that is fighting back - so be it. But perhaps the biggest measure of a person is their ability to deal with it. To realise the best way forward for them.

      When life gives you melons… you may be dislexic on top of everything else.

    • Syl says:

      09:30am | 20/01/11

      No, you haven’t correctly understood at all

      1. “You were bullied as a child, but were equally happy to bully those “below” you.  Your only regret seems to by you were not higher in the pecking order so you could inflict yourself on more people “lower down”.”

      Not once does Brendan say he regrets not being higher on the pecking order so he can bully more people.  He is simply being honest that he was bullied, and was a bully.  Nothing more.

      2. “Resistance if useless.  If you are bullied you should just suck it up and survive the next however many years.  Don’t seek help from the authorities it will only make it worse.”

      The victims themselves have stated that when the authorities found out the bullying got worse.  Not once does he give advice on how to avoid bullying, just what he has been told by, you know, the victims.

      3. “In order for a person to be pushed to the limit where he and his friend take guns to school in intending homocide and self immolation, you need to have a political manifesto.  I always thought Columbine was simply raw rage fuelled by years of systematic abuse. The perpetrators could see no other option but to end it all and visit some horror on those who had abused them for so long.  “

      Huh?  The point is that the Columbine kids may not have acted out of “raw rage fuelled by years of systematic abuse” but something less straightforward.  It has been assumed that this is the case but maybe more thought needs to go towards any underlying issues that may have caused the tragedy to arise, not simply “they were picked on”.

    • Brendan says:

      10:39am | 20/01/11

      No, Brendo. You have not correctly understood my “positions”.
      1) I do regret having indulged in bullying behaviour when I was at school and have no regrets about my having been unpopular. I was merely stating the bullying dynamic is often a lot more morally complex than people will admit.
      2) I never said resistance was useless and never said that people shouldn’t seek help from authorities. I merely said that, of the people I spoke to, it often made the situation worse. I have quite clearly stated that I don’t know how to end bullying but that it is often more complicated in practice than simply telling a teacher.
      3) The point Cullen makes in his book, Columbine, is that the perpetrators of the massacre were NOT motivated by a hatred of “jocks” or those who teased them. (Eric Harris was, in fact, relatively popular.) They simply hated everyone and everything. The fact they were sometimes picked on was mostly incidental. Harris was a psychopath and Klebold a lost soul looking for a mentor. To reduce the massacre to a simplistic “jocks versus freaks and geeks” dichotomy is the kind of nonsense that caused a lot of pain for many victims of Columbine who suddenly became “the kids who picked on Dylan and Eric and caused the massacre”. When you look at the facts of the case, your - admittedly, common - misperception of their motives is quickly disproved.

    • CL Angus says:

      07:49am | 20/01/11

      The best solution I was taught to stop bullying against me wasn’t to fight back or get angry, as that would mean the bullies got the reaction they hoped for, but to act in a passive, uninterested manner.

      For example, if someone came and said I was gay I would reply ‘yep, okay then’. This response gives nothing to a bully to work with, and it was amazing how quickly my bullying stopped when doing it. In fact, the main bully during my middle high school years eventually invited me to his 18th birthday party - an amazing turnaround!

      I think the main thing to be aware of is that bullies continue to taunt kids because they react in an upset or aggressive manner. If you’re acting like their comments mean nothing, then there’s only so much longer they can tease you before it gets boring. A little bit of martial arts training helps too, just in case you have to defend yourself from some idiot who thinks throwing punches at you is a hoot.

    • mary says:

      08:58am | 20/01/11

      You’ve been lucky to never strike a bully who decided to step it up as a result of your passive uninterested manner. There’s plenty bullies around who’d be happy to take you on as a special challenge.

    • T says:

      08:35pm | 21/01/11

      That was my experience down to a tee. In High School there was a girl who was a notorious bully who targeted girls she thought were weak, isolated or who had upset a friend of hers. By the time she came for me, I had watched her pick on others many times. I saw helpless reactions and aggressive reactions from her victims, but they all spurred her on; she loved getting the reaction. When she targetted me, she would come up behind me and punch me in the back - she always attacked from behind, and she always had a gang with her so she could demonstrate her bullying ways. I completely ignored her and pretended there was no one there. After 3 or 4 attempts like this over 2 weeks, she gave up and moved on.

    • mary says:

      08:03am | 20/01/11

      //I still took great pleasure in picking on the few boys lower than me on the totem pole ...// and //There are few among us who can ever really claim to have never once indulged in bullying at school//  That really flavours your piece. I know plenty people who never bullied and from my own experience more often than not, children simply copy whatever is going on at home, however subtle that may be.

      I totally agree with Eric, the only thing a bully respects is a bigger bully. And so the only way to stamp out bullying is to make those in authority, authoritative enough to scare the bully witless.

      Like Nice guy says, some bullies are just in for the kill (also personal experience) Putting the onus on the victims or to tell them to grow up is really really dumb.

    • BK says:

      08:45am | 20/01/11

      I can relate to the author’s account. I was bullied by some kids and horrible to others. The author merely acknowledged the complexity of the issue. Bullies and victims are-not two neatly defined little groups.

    • AdamC says:

      09:02am | 20/01/11

      BK, I totally agree. Schoolyard dynamics are complicated. There is no easy class of victims and perpetrators.

    • Gavin says:

      09:30am | 20/01/11

      @Mary, you say “I know plenty people who never bullied”. I say you know plenty of BS artists. We have all acted at one time or another in some way like a bully (ie-picked on somebody we felt we’re at a lesser advantage than us), even if we don’t recall it.

    • Gus says:

      10:01am | 20/01/11

      Really Gavin?

      We all have huh?

      Confess to reconcile your own actions with yourself.
      Profess not to know the actions of others.

      (in another attempt to reconcile your own actions)

    • Gavin says:

      10:41am | 20/01/11

      Hey Gus, you might not remember your childhood sins, but I do hope you don’t splutter on your coffee if the day ever comes where you are confronted by somebody you did wrong by in school. They might not be as forgetful.

    • Brendan says:

      10:47am | 20/01/11

      Hi Mary. One thing I did not say in the piece which I perhaps should have was that many people at school - from my memory, the vast majority, even bullying victims - were guilty of being passive observers of bullying. Indeed, I can’t recall a single incident in which someone spoke up on someone else’s behalf - and the less popular you were the less likely someone would want to be seen as your protector. Although many people may were not active “bullies” by most people’s standards they were bystanders and very often participated in group bullying, even if it was just standing round chanting “fight” as some kid got his head smashed in.

    • mary says:

      11:29am | 20/01/11

      Thanks Brendan, that’s a brilliant point to bring into the conversation. That every one who is standing by and not being engaged in being part of the solution is part of the problem.

      The whole dynamics of bullying would change dramatically if everyone were to take that on board.

      Keeping in mind that school yard bullying is only one type of bullying and many bullies are quite sneaky and underhanded enough to make sure that they are never observed by others.

      Bullies are cowards.

      If we go with BK, AdamC and Gavin and for a moment assume that one time or another everyone is a bully. Then at that particular moment that this (otherwise perfectly lovely?) person is bullying, they are performing a cowardly act.

      As far as I’m concerned it is neither here nor there if everyone is a bully at one time or another. Who is going to prove either way? It merely distracts from the discussion and if anything gets guilty consciousnesses pipe up and point the finger.

    • Vaunted says:

      08:06am | 20/01/11

      I spent my youth as an inmate of an institution modelled closely on the English public school, so I can speak with a some authority on the topic of bullying. Not that I recall being bullied or being much of a bully myself, but I witnessed plenty of it. It was my careful observation that there are certain personality types who for some reason simply cry out to be bullied, and they are. Think Kevin Rudd; I can say with absolute certainty that Kevin’s life at my school would have been a misery, as eventually was his Prime Ministership at the hands of his colleagues. Some people never quite fit in, and that’s the bottom line in my opinion. Even magpies pick mercilessly on the nerdier members of their flock, so clearly we’re not too far removed from the animal kingdom when push comes to shove. Getting hold of a rifle and popping off a few of your colleagues is a way to garner respect no doubt, though obviously a bit on the extreme side.

    • BK says:

      08:54am | 20/01/11

      I have been a teacher and found it quite interesting. A few kids were quite nerdy, but were normally left alone. Some bullied kids were targeted for no discernable reason, it was just decided that they were to be picked on. I saw other bullied kids and couldn’t imagine a school where they wouldn’t be targets.

    • Horse says:

      09:15am | 20/01/11

      It is complicated, Vaunted.  Some people present as bullies to some, and as weak to others. The scenarios around Kevin Rudd are complicated - he bullied plenty, using his staff to do it on his behalf, while maintaining a different public fascade.

    • Benny says:

      08:22am | 20/01/11

      I was a walking target in year 7, small smart fat kid younger than everyone else. The bulling continued into year 8 where i snapped and floored the leader. Never got touched again.
      Thus the only solution i can see, is to take the target off your own back, nothing else works…

    • someone says:

      08:27am | 20/01/11

      I don’t understand why we treat bullying as “bullying” and do not prosecute it as a form of criminal harassment or assault.

      Were such activity to take place outside school grounds, or involving adults as victims or perpetrators, the police would be involved.

      Yet somehow we overlook or downplay often dangerous, violent behaviour among young people (who may be of the age of adult responsibility) just because it is associated with the schoolyard.

    • mary says:

      09:03am | 20/01/11

      And the nice outflow from this approach would be less bullying going on in the workplace etc because at a young age people would be educated as to what is appropriate behaviour and the consequences of not behaving decently.

    • Missy says:

      12:15pm | 20/01/11

      The key words here are “adults as victims” they aren’t adults they are children and teenagers. You can’t treat them as though they are anything else because that’s simply not the way it works.  The same way you don’t treat them as adults when it comes to drinking, smoking, sex and drugs, violence and bullying fall into this category as well.

    • LC says:

      01:36pm | 20/01/11

      @someone

      Agreed. I’ll add that we should stop calling it bullying too. Start calling it what it really is; abuse and assault.

    • Hamlyn says:

      03:40pm | 20/01/11

      My problem is what is actually defined as “bullying”. In my sons primary school if you leave someone out or dont want to hang around them at lunch time, it’s a form of bullying. I was contacted by the principal and told my son was the main bully for a particular kid. I was horrified. He just took the lecture and punishment no questions asked. Didnt try to defend himself at all. Turned out the kid was very rich and smart and was calling the others things like “povo” and “stupid”. When they play wrestled this kid woul run up kick the kid on the ground and run off! Because my son didnt want to hang around him, and the other kids followed (small school) he was branded the ring leader and a bully. I found this out from other kids. Asked why he didnt tell the teachers about the names he and his friends were called and the fact that he actually kicked others. He said that firstly you don’t dob and secondly the teachers wouldn’t believe them cos this kid is their star student. When I approached the teacher guess what? No way would this kid be capable of either teasing or violence. He was way above average intelligence, played musical instuments, in the choir, school captain, parents involved in everything, on every commitee etc.  Exactly the victim stereotype. He was even bad at sport, and a little chubby,  To label the others criminal is a worry for me.

    • AdamC says:

      08:34am | 20/01/11

      “As a skinny gay boy with a taste for eccentric hairstyles at an all-boy’s school, I was a target of constant verbal abuse and occasional physical attacks.”

      That doesn’t sound too dissimilar to my situation, though I was at a co-ed school. Looking back on it, it is quite surprising how little I was singled out for abuse. Admittedly, it was the PC nineties but, again from memory, there wasn’t a great deal of singling-out going on at all. I am sure different people and institutions have different experiences, but it seems to be bullying became a big buzz-word about the time I left school. And, people being people, once bullying became cool, everyone was a victim.

    • Richard M says:

      08:37am | 20/01/11

      Good piece, Brendan.  Issues such as bullying are much more complex and difficult than simplistic campaigns would have us believe.  Much so-called bullying is just “life”.  Frankly, kids (and adults) these days need to learn to be more resilient in coping with the exigencies of life.  In my experience in the adult world, many claims of workplace bullying are simply being used as alibis by people whose supervisors or managers have just been attempting to get them to improve their habitually poor work performance.

    • Louisa Stanley says:

      09:26pm | 20/01/11

      Richard, I have to disagree.  There’s certainly different levels of ‘bullying’ - in primary and early secondary school, being ugly, skinny and extremely shy, I was often ‘picked on’ but I would never have referred to it as bullying.  It was, as you say, ‘just life’. 

      As an adult in the workplace, however, I’ve had to face much covert bullying by some who are so skilled at it that others have no idea there is anything going on.  These situations have frequently made carrying out my job so difficult that I eventually have to leave, or if I do stay, it escalates and I eventually have false complaints made against me so that I am discredited, disciplined or dismissed. 

      I can honestly say that this treatment is not due to a ‘habitually poor work performance’ - in fact, (while I’m far from a perfect worker) sometimes it has been because my performance makes the other worker/s feel bad about their own and I’m an easy target for other reasons (usually being the new person, having a quiet personality and so on). 

      I can also say that I would much rather deal with the inconsequential everyday being picked on in school again than the workplace bullying which can leave vulnerable people with an unstable work history, little financial security and a bad reputation.

    • Jolanda says:

      08:40am | 20/01/11

      Three of my kids have been accused of bullying and every time it was found that they were not bullying at all, they were actually the ones being bullied.  Sometimes the ones saying that they are being bullied are the bullies themselves.

      Some people have the type of personality that makes them believe that if they want to be someones friend and that person doesn’t want to be their friend and they reject them, then it is bullying.  Question is whether people have a ‘choice’ as to who they spend their time with and who they accept as their friend and what does someone do when a person will not accept ‘no I do not want you as a friend’ for an answer and cries bully at the drop of a hat?

      Education – Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/

    • Markus says:

      08:40am | 20/01/11

      Very interesting piece.
      My experiences are much like Eric’s above. I was in quite a lot of fights through school, but was never in a fight with the same person twice.
      The one time I did walk away from a fight made it that much worse, as five or more guys had joined in the bullying the next day.

      The result didn’t matter (I rarely won, though never lost either), just that they now knew you weren’t going to put up with it.
      Oddly enough I got on quite well with a few of them afterward.

      Regarding those who claim to have been bullied, I knew quite a few through school who claimed they were bullied who were actually the instigators 90% of the time. They would insult someone much bigger than them, get abused back (or sometimes punched if a guy), then go crying ‘bully’ knowing they had the teacher’s backing.
      It was amazing how many of these adults did not realise they were being played.

    • Bullied says:

      08:41am | 20/01/11

      Grade 9 & 10 at an all girls school was the worst experience of my life! My bunch of friends from primary school made a new friend and she decided she didn’t want to be friends with me - (they got into underage drinking etc and I never did) so one day I turned up at school to not be spoken to, I would sit at a table with them for them to pretend I wasn’t there, when I talked they pretended I wasn’t and someone else began talking… It all turned around two weeks before our leavers dinner - they were best friends again - I thought they’d changed so moved from the new friend I had made to being sort of friends with them again and we arranged to sit together. The day of the leavers dinner they switched back.
      They excluded me but they also used to say things like “You’ll never get into law at Uni - you’re not smart enough”.
      Now, I’m doing an accounting degree (Yes I got enough to do law but chose not to) I’m working as a Junior Accountant and loving it, I’ve got the best friends who took me under their wings when I really needed them, not only when my friends excluded me for years but also the night of the leavers dinner. I’ve also got one of the old friends trying to make friends with me again because the one who turned them against me has turned the remainder against her. (I’m not interested - if she couldn’t stand up for me then why should I help her now?)
      I used their negativity to motivate me. Even though my Dad broke his neck and my Guitar Teacher & Mentor committed suicide during those years at high school, I made it through and now, I almost feel as if I can do anything.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      08:48am | 20/01/11

      The idea of “fighting back” - not quite what you want to do, but along the right lines. 

      The objective is to respond to the actual “bullying” which in essence is finding the “easy target” and exploiting it.  As such “bullies” are cowards.

      There are signs of the “easy target’ - one of the most obvious is any indication the target cannot or will not defend.

      The way to stop being “bullied” is to remove the tag of defencelessness.  A child that is furtive or nervous puts up a neon sign.  A child that walks confidently is dismissed as too hard.  A child that speaks his or her mind is also perceived as too hard.

      A child who has been trained to “tell mummy” is targeted immediately as someone who cannot do for his or her self.

      Take away the dead meat and the vultures die off.

    • hermes says:

      08:49am | 20/01/11

      The valid point made in the article is that our society has become so obsessed with self analysis and blame - upon which I totally blame psychologists and lawyers - that virtually everything is labelled as some sort of abuse. If anything, even a slight insult, is considered bullying, rape, abuse, whatever…then this is an insult to people who HAVE suffered terribly. If a smack on the bottom of a naughty child is termed the same as systematically and cruelly abusing another, then that trivialises the real crime. There are many many examples of this; such as say, a 15 year old girl in a sexual relationship with a slightly older boy; the so-called “rape” accusations made of Julian Assange; or accusations of bullying just because of perfectly normal childhood behaviour such as name-calling. And every time someone wails on about their terrible past, when it was actually, perfectly normal; this further debases and diminishes those who have genuinely suffered. Further, if our children are raised to consider anything less than permanent happiness as “bad”, it further erodes resilience, so when something really bad actually happens, they will have no inner resources to cope…hence the pathetic weeping on stupid reality TV programs.

    • Brendan says:

      10:58am | 20/01/11

      Sorry, Hermes, but your projecting that “valid point” onto me. I merely said that some people think they were victims of bullying when they weren’t, by any objective standards. Whether this is because other factors in their life exaggerated their memories of being victimised or some other reason, I’m not sure. As for the rest… well, that’s a pretty tenuous extrapolation, and seeing as I’m making a species of “weepy reality program” I feel duty bound to defend the genre.

    • Retired Soldier says:

      08:49am | 20/01/11

      All those condoning the fight back method are right on the money. It worked in my days at school and it would work today if it wasn’t for the naive and over protective parents and of course the ever present do gooders. The problem these days is that there is no such thing as a quick and simple punch to settle the problem because our wonderful computer game addicted kids can’t fight without doing it in gangs and laying the boot in when someone is down. If that doesn’t work for them out comes the blade or broken bottle to ensure success. These are problems my mob never had to face and ironically we all carried knives of all shapes and sizes to school because that’s what kids did in those days. They were never considered a weapon in a school fight. I don’t know what the answer to this problem is but i reckon we could start with teaching the alleged parents a lesson or two in how to raise their offspring to have self respect and responsibility. Oh, and a few lessons in a PCYC Boxing Ring might help as well.

    • Jim says:

      09:08am | 20/01/11

      The majority of my schooling took place in a boys only English boarding school.
      Bullying was a very rare event - any display of it was usualy associated with “you enjoy a bit of a stoush do you,  well we have just the oportunity for you”.
      The school had quite an active ‘well supervised’ boxing group, and it was rarely a problem to sort out bullying types.
      These days we pussy foot around this issue, with most probably long term damage being perpetrated on both bullys and their victims.

    • Seano says:

      09:20am | 20/01/11

      I went to 13 different primary schools and two high schools as my dad followed construction around the country. Constantly swapping schools meant constantly re-establishing myself and the new kid is always a good target. I remember coping heaps at one of the two schools I went to in Victoria because I didn’t understand AFL (still don’t get why anyone likes that silly game) and for a while at my last school which was particularly rough (it became a technology high the year after I left).

      Generally I survived bullying by being funny, being the class clown, being tall for age also helped (at least with the kids my own age), by not joining in on group bullying and on a couple of occasions by being willing to risk a hiding by giving the bully a smack in the mouth. When I hit senior high school (quite tall by this stage but still hadn’t filled out), and probably because of my own experiences I got protective of the little kids and would suggest to the bullies I saw in the playground that if they wanted someone to pick on to have a go at me (looking back doubt this stopped anyone being bullied in the long run but at least it stopped a few incidents).

      Probably the worst bullying I received at school was from a new teacher who (and I’ve heard this since from friends who gone on to work with him as a teacher) had a policy of singling out one kid per class and bullying them unmercilessly in order to keep the others in line. The first day he walked into the class he slammed a book on the table and said “<lastname> get out”, we didn’t even know his name but knew mine, it went on from there for two years and only got worse. He’s the only bully I hold a grudge against and even now with him being an old man I would be sorely to give him some of his own medicine if we met. I’d like to think I’m better than that but I honestly don’t know what I’d do if we did cross paths.

      This brings me to a point I wanted to make re-columbine. Bullying doesn’t work on a “who had it worse” scale, it could just be one humiliation that is the final straw or something some (especially disturbed young people) find impossible to let go of. And yet other people can be bullied constantly and viciously and grow up to be good decent normal people.

      Bullying is always needless so I agree with schools having a zero tolerance bullying policies but I am frustrated as a casual teacher in the half arsed way anti-bullying but programs are often implemented, often in a going through the motions style. Bullying, serious bullying is hard to solve but deserves better than “just ignore him”.

    • Bilby says:

      09:23am | 20/01/11

      I too have been guilty of at the same time being bullied from above, and bullying kids below me. Yes the shame stays with you for ever. If I ever meet that kid that I picked on, I’d dearly love to buy him a beer and say sorry.

      Not so long ago I did have a chat to a guy that bullied me at school at our 20 year reunion. He was felt really bad about it (yes 20 years later). I told him that he was a right prick at school, but no real harm done. We shook hands, raised a glass, and said no more about it.

    • Tucky says:

      09:29am | 20/01/11

      Best way to stop bullying? dont have a bag on wheels to drag around school. I did,  worst idea ever (i blame my mum, but still love her dearly :p)

      once i got rid of the bag, things picked up. Although not religious, i hung at the chaplaincy centre till things blew over. All this in grade 8. By grade 12, i got on with everyone, and everyone got on with me - as if nothing happened.

      Maybe one solution is to identify the (worst) bullies (not just name callers, but the real playground thugs) and send them to Iraq.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:21am | 20/01/11

      I had a mullet in grade 4 because my mum thought it was “cute”. Bless them, they do their best but are sometimes just part of the problem.

    • Markus says:

      10:53am | 20/01/11

      I’ve been tempted to call DOCS on parents with a child who has a rat’s tail.
      That, or walk by and just rip it off. Either way I’m sure I’m doing the kid a favour

    • James1 says:

      09:44am | 20/01/11

      We had one really bad bully at our primary school.  He just didn’t seem to be able to help himself, and tried to pick on pretty much everyone, both verbally and physically.  I later found out that he was in and out of foster homes because his parents were alcoholics.  He became a drug addict that would steal anything off anyone, until one day he stole some money off some drug dealers and they beat him nearly to death, buried him alive, dug him up and beat him all the way to death before burying him in a shallow grave on a beach at the Gold Coast.  Now at my daughter’s primary school, the bully is a kid from a welfare family in social housing whose parents have children’s services on their back constantly.  I fear for his future.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:49am | 20/01/11

      Brendan, what an excellent critique.
      This is a very complex subject which does not lend itself to a solution. Kids will hone in on the weaknesses of others and grid those that are unable to defend themselves into misery. I was lucky, I could fight back but there are those that can’t. These are the ones we somehow need to protect.

      Parents (some??) can play a vital role. We told our kids not to sop unacceptable behavior and if they did to tell us. I recall one of our kids had experienced a couple of incidents on the bus, we found out who it was and where they lived so my wife daughter and I paid this kids parents a visit. The first night they had gone out but he was home. I made it very clear why I was there that I wasn’t happy and that I would be here the following night to speak to his parent. This kid went white. The next night his parents were home and I raised the matter with his dad. At first the father was and quite rightly so, very defensive of his son but when we explained the situation he got his son to apologise. This went around the school. This didn’t eliminate the problem for our kids but it sure put kids on notice. This was a good school with a great principle, so we were very lucky. Not all schools were like this one.

      The only suggestion I can make is to encourage those kids that are not bullies and carry respect to stand up for those kids that cannot defend themselves.  Defining “stand up” is difficult because in some instances you have to fight fire with fire.

      Good luck with your documentary, this is an issue that carries significant downstream ramifications.

    • Elle says:

      10:01am | 20/01/11

      Although I appreciate that there may be anecdotal evidence that reporting bullying results in the situation worsening, I do not think that this means that we should tell kids they have to ‘deal with it themselves’.
      Not all bullied kids are able to fight back and there should be some other recourse for them. They have a right to expect parents and teachers to help if they cannot cope with the situation.

    • Brendan says:

      11:04am | 20/01/11

      Hi Elle. I wouldn’t suggest that kids shouldn’t report bullying and I am NOT of the school of thought that says kids should all get boxing classes (I could have had the skills of Jackie Chan and would still have had my arse kicked). Please bear in mind that almost all my research and interviews has been with adults who were bullied in the past. There may well be programs now that work quite well. I suspect, however, that kids haven’t really changed that much and will simply find new ways to bully around the system.

    • Syl says:

      02:52pm | 20/01/11

      Elle

      Just because kids have a “right” to expect parents and teachers to help doesnt mean they can.  Parents and teachers do, invariably, try to help when approached.  The problem is, it doesn’t work.  Bullying doesn’t work that way and it just gives more ammunition for the bullies to use.
      Through my experiences (and a lot of other’s it appears) the best thing to do is for the kids to work it out for themselves, usually involving retaliation.  It isn’t pretty, it isn’t ideal, but but that’s life.  It is also a life lesson, when you are an adult you can’t always rely on others to bail you out, you gotta roll your sleeves and and work things out for yourself.  I don’t think I would be half the person I am today if I didn’t experience bullying and the lessons of standing up for myself.

    • Cate P says:

      11:14pm | 20/01/11

      My oldest son, a gentle giant in primary school, was consistently bullied by a nasty little kid, a butter wouldn’t melt type when the teachers were round but a vicious and vindictive little toad when they weren’t.  When I finally got wind of it, I went to the school, got the kid at an opportune moment in the playground but out of earshot of others and told him in no uncertain terms that if he didn’t leave my son alone I would be going straight to his parents and the principal.  End of problem.  My daughter befriended a disabled child in her last couple of years at primary school and was excluded by most of the other girls.  But fortunately she had a very strong loyalty and sense of self and refused to abandon her friend just to please ‘those cats’ as she called them.  We just supported her strongly from home, and the teacher was very supportive also and she ended up being the belle of the year 7 graduation dinner and scooping all the academic and citizenship prizes.  And is doing the same through high school.  Go my girl!
      parents should make an effort to know what is going on at school even if they choose not to intervene.

    • Jason says:

      10:10am | 20/01/11

      I was severely and violently bullied for 3 years in high school both on school grounds and outside.  I hit back from time to time, but it didn’t make a whole lot of difference for me as the bullies were invariably physically stronger than me.  I just had to harden up.

      But in the long run, it comes around.  Because I focused on my school work and became a successful professionaI, I now pay guys like that to wash my car and clean toilets.  Karma is good.

      Everyone ultimately gets what they deserve, it just takes time for bad life choices to take effect.  I guess the negative is that I just don’t have sympathy for adults in difficult positions (financial or otherwise) because I believe they have been lazy, bullies or deserve failure for some reason.  I’d like to be more compassionate, but my bullying experiences when I was younger pretty much killed my empathy gland.

    • Debbie says:

      01:26pm | 20/01/11

      Jeez, I think I prefer the sociopath bullies personality to yours Jason ...

    • Jason says:

      01:45pm | 20/01/11

      @debbie - Lets see

      sociopath bully : will try to phsyically and emotionally attack those weaker than them for their own entertainment, social status or psychological reward

      me: doesn’t feel empathy or respect for those who don’t bother to make the most of themselves and so keeps loyal to his family and close friends.

      By the sounds of things yeah - we’d hate each other…

    • Debbie says:

      02:44pm | 20/01/11

      @ Jason

      “I just don’t have sympathy for adults in difficult positions (financial or otherwise) because I believe they have been lazy, bullies or deserve failure for some reason”

      So when something does go wrong in your life or the life of one of your loved ones or close friends by your reasoning it will be well deserved ?

    • Jason says:

      03:29pm | 20/01/11

      Well speaking for myself - yes.  Most of the bad stuff that has happened to me has been due to my own bad decisions or wrong reactions to situations.  I have the benefit of hindsight and self honesty.  I continue to learn today.

      Even the bullying - that was in part my fault because I didn’t handle it well and if I had listened to the advice I received then I would have been ok.  I was dumb back then and I reaped my rewards.  Today I know how to handle bullies (and it was exactly the way I was told as a teen).

      As for those family and friends - yes too.  I’ve seen a number of friends fall on hard times and it has usually been due to their own decisions around drugs and alcohol, career choices, family choices, financial choices etc etc.  And I’ll tell my friends to pull their fingers out and get their crap together, I won’t sit and listen to them bleat about how tough the world is.  Life *is* hard, it’s a competitive world and those who can’t take personal responsibility reap what they sow.

      You are welcome to dislike my personality, but I’d rather teach people to fish for themselves rather than depend on others for their happiness.  I may be hard by your standards, but then I’m generally appreciated for my brutal honesty rather than my BS.  If someone can’t handle the truth they won’t like me but I’m more than happy with that.

    • James1 says:

      03:35pm | 20/01/11

      Debbie, every single dole bludger or suchlike person I have ever met has been that way as a direct result of their own actions.  Every single person I know under mortgage stress has put themselves there by overcommitting.  Like Jason, I find it hard to feel sorry for them.

      I’m sure these victims who, through no fault of their own, are in a bad situation do exist - I don’t think you lie or anything.  I have just never, ever, met even one.

    • Hamlyn says:

      04:01pm | 20/01/11

      I understand what you mean Jason. 3 years of bullying would have its effects on you. You would have to harden up to cope.  Things that happen when you’re young leaves scars. Anyone who can’t understand that doesn’t have a lot of empathy themselves.

    • Lisa says:

      09:19pm | 20/01/11

      Jason, perhaps you ought to move to a country like India where it is accepted that ones life is ones own Karma, and that no matter what your circumstances you should be left to suffer because it’s your own fault and you simply ought to toughen up.

      My brother has an intellectual disability and suffered miserably at school. Today he works in a sheltered workshop. In thirty years has never rarely missed a day at work. He earns a fraction of what the low lifes who wash your car and clean your toilets get paid. Had he been born in India, a country which shares your compassionate view, he would have been tossed in Ganges or used as a prop in a freak show. You probably think that might not have been such a bad thing. It could have made him into a tough-minded business man.

      Luckily we live in a country whose lifestyle is partly due to the compassion and goodwill of many decent people. If you enjoy it without giving back, I’m afraid you are a parasite.

    • Kate says:

      10:49am | 20/01/11

      ‘Columbine’ is an excellent book. It also points out that one of the Columbine killers, Eric Harris, was actually the instigator in a quite serious episode of bullying - he posted numerous death threats on the internet against a former friend of his, and scared this kid so badly that his parents went to the police on a number of occasions.

      I was bullied in primary school because I was an easy target. Nerdy, tall and skinny, my family didn’t have much money, and I found it hard to make friends. It’s hard to fight back in terms of female bullying though - you can’t just punch someone for example, because when asked why you did it, it’s hard to point to concrete evidence of bullying. Girls bully by excluding and name-calling - less easy to recognise than a black eye.

      I don’t know why I was bullied, other than the explanation that some people need to feel like there’s someone below them in order to feel better about themselves. I’ve certainly been guilty of that as well.

    • Dave says:

      11:02am | 20/01/11

      I was bullied in primary school, high school and even now as a 32 year old gay man I find myself bullied and the recipient of nasty rumours by other gay men.  Hence why I have completely cut gay people out of my life and want nothing to do with them, instead concentrating on the small group of friends I do have.

      There have been alot of suicides by young gay men recently (it isnt widely reported), and while claims of bullying have come out, I think its more to do with a nasty gay community that refuses to accept them for who they are.

      Let’s face it, unelss you fit the “gay ideal” you are pretty much treated like an outcaste by this so-called “welcoming” community.

    • Cindy says:

      03:12pm | 20/01/11

      I have no sympathy for bitchy queens bleating about discrimination while alienating any gay boy that doesn’t have the correct brand of underwear/shoes/sunglasses/smart phone/eating disorder (not to mention outright hating on lesbians).  Straight (and sane) people do not make friends with people just because they are straight. So why the hell would you assume you’ll be good friends with people just because they are gay? Choosing friends based on who they shag is the height of tacky. Meanwhile, you have pretty much proven the writers point. Gay boys getting picked on by bullies/straights/society etc picking on gay boys perceived to be less stereotypically gay. How redundant.

    • BL says:

      11:15am | 20/01/11

      I dont know if I would call myself a victim, but I have experienced social isolation/exclusion all my life. I was born to a 16 year old single mother and was brought up in a very poor household, I went to school with old salvation army clothes, and notcied from a very early age that noone wanted to play with me or have anything to do with me.  Late primary school I was teased, insulted, several times cornered after school and bashed. High school I was again insulted, beaten up on several occassions and most days I would sit on the school oval far away from the school alone. I had a broken leg at one stage after I was assulted with a cricket bat, but because I came from a single mum household and the guy who did it was from a rich family and he was on the sportsteam etc I just made up an excuse because I thought nobody would believe me.

      I have found these experiences have made me incapable of having long-term friendships and I have never had a relationship. Sometimes I dont even feel human. Most days I feel like I am wearing a mask, going to work and smiling like everything is okay, but when I leave work I am like a zombie, and I live alone in a flat and pretty much have surrounded myself in a fantasy world of video games and horror movies.

      I just don’t feel like a human being, and I do think how I was treated by people when I was growing up has caused me to have a lack of trust in other people and an inability to have any friendships or relationships.

    • kerry says:

      01:33pm | 20/01/11

      You poor bugger. Who wouldn’t have a lack of trust in other people treated the way you were. Kids can be very cruel. Sounds like you didn’t have much support at home either. Perhaps your mum wasn’t mature enough to recognise that things weren’t okay with you. Do you talk to her now? Maybe she felt the same with her family. But BL there are plenty of people out there who would lend a hand if you’d confide in them. I hope you take a step in that direction. Best of luck, BL.

    • Jason says:

      02:14pm | 20/01/11

      I feel for you BL.  I lost my right testicle to a severe beating (by bullies) and it affected the way I relate to people ever since (not to mention effects on my development).  And no, nothing ever came from that either.

      Of course you try and talk about it today and some people still seem to side with the bullies (@debbie) rather than understanding the effects on a victim can affect their socialisation for life.

      I can only tell you that over time you will meet like minded people who understand your experiences and your life will improve.  It’s hard to do, but you just have to get out there and take a leap of faith.

    • rose says:

      02:45pm | 20/01/11

      that is so horrible. i am so sorry that has happened to you. some people have no idea how their actions can affect an entire life and that persons future. as far as i am concerned bullies should be treated the same as criminals, there should be a criminal law so these people no matter what their age can be punished. i hope one day brightness comes into your life and you are able to meet some lovely genuine people

    • bella starkey says:

      11:17am | 20/01/11

      I was bullied in primary school, mostly because I was very very thin and fair.

      I “fought back” twice and it was seriously a bad idea. Once, when we were waiting for a teacher to unlock a classroom a girl was pinching my arm to see how long it too to bruise so I wacked her head into the door (I got in trouble). The other time just general name calling-excluding bitchiness got to the point of absolute frustration so i bit a girl on her leg (keep in mind, I was very skinny and weak, biting was pretty much the strongest thing I could muster, and I was only about 9) and I nearly got expelled.

      In highschool things tended to be different, I definitely found it hard to fit in for the first year or two, I don’t think I found my place in the social setting. All the girls went through phases of excluding others and being excluded themselves. We all did horrible things to eachother (at catholic girls school, it’s the law of the jungle) but by about year 10 everyone settled down and figured out who their friends really were.

      I certainly wasn’t a cool kid at school, but by the age of 16 I had been to more gigs in night clubs and bars than they had been fingered at a school disco.

    • Hamlyn says:

      04:21pm | 20/01/11

      I had the odd day at scool where it was my “turn” to be picked on. Longest, most horrible days of my life! How you coped for “the first year or two” of high school after being picked on in primary school as well, I dont know. It’s not surprising that bullying changes people forever.

    • Sludger says:

      11:18am | 20/01/11

      I have a very mixed history of bullying.  I went to 6 primary schools and 6 high schools as my dad kept moving around.  For no reason I can think of at one school in year 7 I was mercilessly picked on and teased and each day was misery.  However, on leaving later in the year and going to a new school I was very popular and never bullied.  I did not in any way change who I was or what I did.  I think it probably came down to some kid at the yuk! school not liking my hair, clothes, whatever and urging his mates on (remember most of them grew up together).  And at the new school maybe I just happened to pick the right person to say gooday to first.  Anyway, I never understood it.  I don’t know the answers but personal experience shows me if the problem is that bad, sometimes moving schools might be the answer.

    • Jess says:

      12:11pm | 20/01/11

      As a teenager I was bullied by a group of girls who were considered by outsiders to be my best friends. The constant psychological and emotional abuse was by far worse than the small physical element. It got to a point where I would downright refuse to go to school and got a new phone number to avoid the abusive text messages and phone calls. After six months of especially severe abuse, my parents forcefully removed me from the school and placed me at a boarding school mid-term.
      The girls who tried to ruin my life gave me the greatest opportunity I had as a child, and I spent the final two years of my education happier than i had ever been. Another consequence of my bullying is that I find it impossible to engage in tormenting of any kind and cannot cope with physical violence.  I was always the first person to stand up for anyone being “picked on” and am always careful to ensure that my more vulnerable friends aren’t being pushed around. Being bullied taught me valuable lessons about myself and life, and in some ways, I am grateful for the experience. It is different for everyone. For some people it is life-destroying, for others life changing. I was one of the fortunate ones. I know that two of the girls who bulied me suffered severely low self-esteem and had serious family issues, and that two other “victims” left the same group of girls for boarding schools as well. Both those girls and myself are much more successful and much happier than any of the girls who ran us out of school.

    • Deb says:

      12:37pm | 20/01/11

      I wish my parents had moved me to another school. The thing I would have most liked to have been told was that this was not going to be happening for my whole life. When you’re in primary school you don’t have the life experience to know that things change. You tend to think you must have done something to cause the bullying as it’s usually friends who lead the attack. I hated going to school then but when I moved on to high school things did change and I had a better time. The best thing is that I now stand up for others and I can recognise and respond to bullying when I see it or experience it. I know I can change things in my life and I never have to feel that way again.

    • gkmo says:

      12:42pm | 20/01/11

      Bullying is a funny thing. Looking back it is rarely as bad or as serious as it felt at the time.

      I was miserable through my early years at high school because of what I saw as bullying towards me. With the benefit of hindsight the things that were said and done don’t seem as bad as I remember them feeling. But, it was absolutely devestating at the time. I was at an all girls school so the bullying was mostly psychological. It was subtle and insidious and I didn’t have the tools to fight ‘fire with fire’, so to speak.

      I, in turn, did my share of bullying against those further down the social pecking order, which I will always regret.

      It is human nature to group together, to protect your position in the group and exclude those who may be a threat. As we grow up most people learn to control and overcome those natural instincts which come screaming to the fore during our teenage years.

    • Eleanor says:

      12:47pm | 20/01/11

      I was the fat girl in highschool. Heh, I stil am pretty fat. But in highschool, being fat was a cardinal sin that appeared to give anyone else free reign to torment you. Fat people deserve it, right?

      I vividly remember one particular friend, who was incredibly petite and very, very pretty, would keep me around her because apparently, I made her look even hotter by comparison. She would call me thunder thighs and bubble guts, and every time I went to eat anything that wasn’t a piece of carrot, she’d raise her eyebrows and go ‘are you SURE you want to do that?’

      That was far more damaging than the boys who just called me a fatty. They, I could laugh at and tell to piss off because they were obnoxious.

    • AdamC says:

      01:16pm | 20/01/11

      I wonder if, with this obesity epidemic we’ve been hearing so much about, the fats kids will cease to be the targets of bullies?

    • Kika says:

      01:45pm | 20/01/11

      Girls are evil. They are so evil. I was bullied and teased, used and abused by my female friends that I reckon to this day the reason I don’t have a lot of close female friends is because I just don’t trust them anymore.

      My sister used to do that to - all her friends were always uglier and fatter than she was. She had and still has an incredibly fragile self esteem and I believe she made sure her friends were always less good looking than her for a reason.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:05pm | 20/01/11

      I don’t reckon Adam. Fat people bully people that are fatter than them. In my adult life I have seen fat women with big boobs bully a fat woman with no boobs. They were fatter than her. WTF is that about? In the sense of school-children, the ones that “grow out of it” or lose weight then just start bullying because they have a sense of entitlement because they are no longer fat.

      I was a bit portly for a stretch and lost most of it at age 15/16 and I found I changed totally because I was all of a sudden “accepted”. I was still teased for being formally fat - but it was not as bad. I was faced with the opportunity to continue to hate school or have a positive experience as defined by the people around me. Peer pressure doesn’t just apply to smoking behind the bike sheds. For me it included making airhorn noises when a girl who I used to be fatter than made her Long jump run up. It was nasty as and I am not proud of it. But it made eveyone laugh and we all went on our merry way. I got through school that day without being the one made fun of. Diversion tactics as a result of my own pathetic insecurities that at the time were like life and death.

      People will always have targets on their back for something. People who have that very same target will crack out their “bully micrometers” and see if there’s is just that tincy bit smaller.

    • ?? says:

      03:59pm | 20/01/11

      i knew a girl that was pretty enough to become a professional model, but she too was bullied by these skanky girls in high school?? go figure

    • Gavin says:

      12:51pm | 20/01/11

      So who is sponsoring/funding this research/documentary? Is this going to be a genuinely scientific approach you’re taking? Or do you already know what the results will be? Anecdotal evidence is hardly reliable. Your own anecdotes included. And if all this will amount to is your opinion, why should I watch or be interested? You’re already foreshadowing the outcome: ‘get over yourself.’ Is your hypothesis simply that bullied kids should count themselves lucky for the ‘life-lesson’ of being bullied? A bit of the reductio, I know. But I find it equally absurd that you claim to have ‘no answers’ yet your analysis of the issue clearly implies that you have one in mind. You already know what you want to say, and you will find the ‘evidence’ to say it. All of which, it seems to me, amounts to a bit of self-aggrandising: ‘see, I was bullied at school and look how successful I turned out to be!’ While a genuine investigation into bullying, and other anti-social behaviour, is long overdue, this is not it. Though, to be fair, I doubt there will ever be one so long as there are pre-conceptions - as you quite rightly point out - of what bullying actually is. Too many vested interests in a particular outcome. As, I fear, is the case here. Whether its your own personal interest, or the interest of those funding you.

    • Brendan says:

      01:55pm | 20/01/11

      Wow, Gavin, did I pick on you in high school? Nobody ever said that documentaries were supposed to be “scientific”. This one certainly makes no great claims to further the cause of, er, bullying science. This one is simply a forum for people who were bullied and were bullies to compare their recollections of the same events. At no point did I say that victims of bullying simply have to “get over it”. What I said was that, in some cases, people believe themselves to have been bullied when, by any objective standard, they weren’t. For what reason, I don’t know. And why the conspiratorial references to my “funding” and those mysterious bodies who are supposedly funding me? Let me reassure you, Gavin: even if I had the biggest budget in the country people don’t get rich making documentaries, especially on subjects like this. When was the last time you heard someone described as a “documentary mogul”?

    • Ceejay says:

      01:01pm | 20/01/11

      I was bullied throughout high school which resulted in me leaving before finishing my education. Unfortunately I was not in any position to fight back as I was a very tiny girl. I was lucky as the toughest girl in school somehow took me under her protective wing for which I’m eternally grateful.

      This piece is correct in stating that reporting it often escalates it into something far worse so I never told my teachers and my mother never knew until I begged her to let me leave school and start working.

      Never once did I ever consider taking a weapon into a school and mowing down classmates. That’s psychopathic behaviour and, as in the case of Columbine, doesn’t ordinarily stem from being bullied.

      I learned many lessons from that time and one is that I now feel quite sorry for my tormentors. They either had incredibly low self esteem or were themselves victims of peer pressure. I am a shy person because of it but I do not now nor have I ever thought of myself as a victim. You can’t give in to that kind of mentality because it is then the bully truly wins.

    • M says:

      01:36pm | 20/01/11

      I think the way girls and boys bully is different. I was bullied unrelentlessly by my “best friend” all through primary school - all verbal put downs and threats. When I was old enough to realise that what she was doing was very wrong my self esteem was non existent and I didn’t know how to fight back, especially with parents who didn’t seem to see or understand what was going on. I spent over a year of primary school trying to get free of her. When I transferred into highschool I was petrified, yet determined this would be my fresh start. On the first day told her in front of about 20 people at recess exactly what I thought of her and didn’t look back. I know that she later found other girls who she could bully in the same way and felt guilty that I didn’t help them too.

      I think the main thing parents need to do is teach how to cope in a variety of situations and watch and listen so they’re not forcing their child to spend time with a poisonous friend (sleep overs arranged by my mum without asking me were a special form of hell from my childhood)

    • Loraine says:

      01:53pm | 20/01/11

      http://www.challengeday.org/

      I was so impressed with the way these folk handle bullies. Please folks take a look at the trailer from this site.

      I agree that some bullies turn into adult bullies. I have one in mind and believe this man has mental issues. I have known this man since he and my sons were at the same school. The school did nothing and I paid to have my sons go there. I ended up taking my youngest out of the school because I thought some of the teachers were also bullies. He went to another school where he was treated with dignity and respect. I don’t think the teachers know how to handle these situations.

    • Loraine says:

      01:54pm | 20/01/11

      http://www.challengeday.org/

      I was so impressed with the way these folk handle bullies. Please folks take a look at the trailer from this site.

      I agree that some bullies turn into adult bullies. I have one in mind and believe this man has mental issues. I have known this man since he and my sons were at the same school. The school did nothing and I paid to have my sons go there. I ended up taking my youngest out of the school because I thought some of the teachers were also bullies. He went to another school where he was treated with dignity and respect. I don’t think the teachers know how to handle these situations.

    • wendy wu vaughan says:

      01:57pm | 20/01/11

      Your comment:
      schooling should be optional

    • Kika says:

      01:59pm | 20/01/11

      Bullying is horrible. I don’t know if we can ever stamp it out. It’s normal to have a pecking order and everyone is going to have issues. I was bullied a lot in my late primary school/eary high school years. I was told in grade 7 by two former best friends that they weren’t really my friend, it’s just they had no one else to be friends with. They said it in front of my whole class too. I could have died.

      Then high school came. I didn’t get to go to the high school I wanted to go to because my parents were incredibly slack and thought they could enrol me a month before school started. What the? Anyway I ended up going to this notoriously rough school. Things were going along fine and was friends with most people and especially the ‘cool’ kids. I was on cloud 9. Boys liked me. I thought I was great.

      Then I pi*ssed off this girl I really shouldn’t have by writing something on the toilet wall about her. My former friend (one of the girls who had previously told me she really wasnt me friend. Yes, we were friends again) went and dobbed me in and that was it. The teasing, name calling, threats were done. Everybody in my grade was scared to be my friend in case this girl picked on them too. I ended up finding a small niche of friends in another class. When this girl found out I had a boyfriend she yelled out “Your too UGLY to have a boyfriend!”

      I ended up confronting her about the violence threats. I ended up conceding to her and saying “fine, you can kick my shins”. She then backed down on her threats. But the damage had been done. Then the girl who had told me she was my friend, then changed her mind, then became my friend again told me AGAIN that she didn’t want to be friends with me, but still thought she could cheat off my science papers.

      I changed schools. Things got better. But damage was done. I don’t trust girls at all really. I can never tell whether they are my friends or not, or just being pleasant for the sake of it. I also have a miniscule self esteem.  To this day I have hardly any female friends. I find males more easy to get along with. They are not complicated. If they like you, they like you. You can have simple conversations about things and not have to worry about being judged.

    • Ian Freely says:

      02:01pm | 20/01/11

      So what physcological training does Brendan have? And when does working on a documentary equate to research?

      Great read but otherwise a waste of time with nothing new to say on the topic; or any real insights.

    • Syl says:

      03:04pm | 20/01/11

      Phew, thank God this isnt a scientific journal, but an opinion site.

      I was unaware that Brendan actually claimed he was researching anything, although it could be argued that interviewing bullies and their victims, about bullying and being victimised, is research.

      Why does someone need psychological training to have an opinion on bullying?  Or to be interested in learning more about it.  What is your point?

    • Lucius says:

      02:03pm | 20/01/11

      i find it odd Brendan that youve commented on some rather silly comments from people on here, yet some others have written some rather serious and harrowing experiences (such as BL above whos life was obviously fundamentally changed because of bullying and who i think needs alot of support) and it seems you havent bothered to read them at all and give your opinions. if you really cared you would read some of these exeriences and offer a bit of support and understanding

    • Brendan says:

      02:32pm | 20/01/11

      Hi Lucius. This is an opinion forum and as Ian Freely points out, I’m not a psychologist. I only respond to comments that I believe have misinterpreted what I have written. I realise that bullying is something that affects a lot of people for their whole lives - and they have my sympathy - but my responsibilities extend only to the subjects of my documentary, not everyone who was ever bullied.

    • kerry says:

      04:21pm | 20/01/11

      so, Ian Freely governs your empathy, is that what you are saying, Brendan? Your only responsibility is to correct others’ misinterpretations of your article. Oh, to be the detached observer.

    • Loraine says:

      02:05pm | 20/01/11

      Sorry - link is not working for the challenge day trailer on the site. Type in challenge day in google videos. There are plenty of hits.

    • Rossco says:

      02:13pm | 20/01/11

      i cant remember if bullying by other children at school was a big thing for me, i used to try and escape school as much as possible because of over demanding teachers who didnt seem to think children are individuals, mind you, that was back in the 50’s and 60’s. BUT, did see a bit of it in the workplace, and still do from time to time, answer? i have no idea because i dont think there is any one fix.

    • Teacher says:

      02:19pm | 20/01/11

      There is a lot of anger at schools here. As a teacher, I do my best to stamp out bullying. I will spend whatever time I need to spend following an issue out of class time. But there is only so much I can do… I can’t be everywhere at once. I can’t make a student “cool”. I can’t be in all areas of the school, or walk students home.
      If I see a student injuring or threatening another student, I cannot stand by and let it happen. I don’t care whether someone is the bully or the victim, I cannot let a student injure another student without doing everything in my power to stop it. If these people hit back, yes, they will get in trouble.
      I understand bullying is horrific; insofar as someone who was not a victim can (I was teased but nothing serious). But I cannot say to one student “It is okay for you do hit someone but not him.”
      There are anti-bullying programs in place, and we act as a school team and have all staff watching issues (bullying included) that arise. But we are limited in our powers.
      It is almost impossible to expell a student. We had to call the police to remove a student from school grounds (he was screaming, pushed a teacher, threatening others but could not get past the doors to the ones he was screaming at) but he will not be expelled- the government is afraid his parents will complain about his right to education.

      Maybe it’s about time parents started to take some responsibility. I’d like to hear some of your opinions on this.

      On a side note:
      To be sure, some teachers were (maybe are?) awful people. My mother told me how she was humiliated horribly by her teacher because that was the way it was then. I feel very sorry for anyone who had to deal with these people…

    • Brad says:

      06:51pm | 20/01/11

      I went to an all boys school and by a long shot the teachers and boarding masters were the biggest bullies. I took responsibility when my child was bullied at school and told him the next time to flatten him. Hasn’t happened since, but alas I did have a long and interesting discussion with the Principal about Self defense laws.

    • Fairsnotfair says:

      02:28pm | 20/01/11

      How hard is it for kids NOT to be bullies when the current theme of television shows is based around bullying? We have countless shows where the idea is to gang up on the weakest person and hound them until we kick them out. We prey on their weaknesses in order to “survive”.

      Paris Hilton’s BFF is a classic case of setting the weakest up for a fall and then clubbing her with every emotional trick in the bullying trade. Big Brother was a classic display of bullying on a number of scales. Donald Trump’s show, Survivor, Jerseylicious, Gossip Girl, 90210, Dallas: the list goes on.

      Turn off the TV. Listen to your kids but sift through their complaints. If there is a chance of genuine bullying happening (either by them or to them), then you can deal with it. Kids are smart - they know when to bully and when they are being bullied.

      Sadly, the ones who learn to bully from their bullying parents are the toughest of the lot. These are the parents who think it’s OK to bully their peers, whether it be based on fashion, money, cars or holidays. Generally they fuel their need for power by working in jobs that fit their profile or competing ruthlessly with workmates, stealing the credit for a job done and then gloating in front of their kids about how they “won” over a work colleague.

      Bullies grow up to be bigger bullies. They never stop.

    • Dog's life at work says:

      03:12pm | 20/01/11

      Bullying in the workplace has a lot to do with certain dog-eat-dog company cultures. When employees see managers prosecuting other employees or departments just to earn a few points they learn fast.

    • Syl says:

      03:16pm | 20/01/11

      Bullying existed before television.  These shows are more a reflection of the prevalence and to some degree acceptance bullying has in our lives, not the cause of it.

      I do agree children learn bullying from role models (parents etc) and a lot more attention should be paid to being a good role model for children.

    • Emma says:

      02:51pm | 20/01/11

      Yep, I got ‘bullied’ in primary school (well it was teasing, now I look back it wasnt that much of a big deal, everyone just kept telling me it was) and I made the situation sooo much worse by involving my mother. It was relentless after that! Luckily for me it was in year 7 and I was going to a highschool the next year which none of the ‘bullies’ were going to attend. I started with a clean slate and things were rosy from there.

      I did however witness one person standing up for themselves in highschool and it didnt go well (because she listened to her parents I assume). Some girls were picking on the ‘poor’ girl and her reply was ‘you are just jealous of me’ (something my mum used to say to me) and the ‘bullies’ replied “Why would we be jealous of hairy legs and op shop clothes, looser?”.

      That was the day it really did click that no, bullies are very rarely jealous of you. They just see you as an easy way to boost their own sense of self worth and show off in front of others. In the end we are all animals and when in packs we will pick on the pack member that is seen as the weakest. We have all done it at least once in our lives, just some more obviously or more frequently than others.

    • homeschooling worked! says:

      02:58pm | 20/01/11

      My son was bullied for 4years from Kinder to Year 4 at two separate schools. I mean truly bullied to the point of wishing he was dead and telling me so. When he did fight back the teachers only saw what he did and he copped the punishment. A psychologist told us he needed to learn ‘playground skills’ - what a load of rubbish. We got rid of the playground. When we suggested homeschooling he thought that sounded fantastic. It took 6 months for him to start smiling again - and we realised it had been about 3 years since we had seen his real smile. That was 7 years ago. He hasn’t looked back. Besides all the usual after school groups you might attend, there is a huge, fantastic homeschooling community out there so you mix with who you want when you want. He’s now incredibly independent, does his own thing, gets on great with his mates (who all happen to attend school), has had part-time work for 5 years, has a TAFE qualification, goes camping on his own regularly with a club.
      So it seems there are two effective ways of dealing with bullies - fight back, or walk away (with parental support - luckily we were prepared to be thought of as ‘wierd’ smile).

    • Get relief says:

      03:41pm | 20/01/11

      I agree the worst thing to do in an overwhelming bullying environment is to ‘tough it out’ or ‘try and find a solution’. Amazingly when you leave the bad environment all the stress disappears and you feel mightily relieved and normal again.

    • stephen says:

      03:02pm | 20/01/11

      Best quality Teachers is the antidote. It will raise the level of the school as a whole, and bad behaviour amongst the students will be seen as a disgrace, and even the young, I think, would respond to a humiliation.
      Good and sophisticated Teachers will know how to respond to violence so it becomes an aberrant behavior.
      Also, best quality teaching will give the syllabus planners something else to do, cause they’ve been scratching their heads for 5 years now trying to decide what to give the little’ns so’s they grow up like they do.
      Wrong.
      Just get good teachers, so the students grow up like THEM.

    • Lexicon says:

      03:12pm | 20/01/11

      When i was in Primary School in 1970’s, i had a very bad stammer, so much so that i couldn’t speak more than a word or two.I was bullied everyday ( i accept thats what some kids do) one day i fought back.So what happened ? The bullies told the teachers (one of the bullies parents taught at the school too) that as well as well hitting them i had unleashed a tirade of bad language, hello?I could hardly even speak let alone understand the words i was supposed to have used.Its funny now, was not back then ,as the teachers believed what the bullies had told them! So of course i copped it from the school and only my parents knew i couldn’t speak like that.Thank West Pymble Public school staff from the late 1970’s i think of you everyday ,not!

    • majid says:

      03:13pm | 20/01/11

      I believe bullying is only what we tolerate bullies to do to us and to people around us… and if we we stand up to them and more importantly teach our children how to be resilient, I think bullies will be defeated and won’t exist!!!

    • Stick up for yourself ! says:

      03:44pm | 20/01/11

      It is only verbal jousting people. There are always going to be people teasing others because of a little difference. That will never change. If you are getting picked on and teased then tease back. There is always something different about every person. I used to enjoy classroom teasing, i’ve always been a short person and got teased about it but you laugh with them laugh at yourself and tease them back. Simple, worked for me. When someone in class used to get teased and wasn’t sticking up for themselves i would jump in and help them, ask them why they aren’t pointing out little things about the bully. Basically bully back. If the bully wants to get physical that’s because your winning the joust and they have nothing else. It’s all part of growing up !

    • Josie says:

      03:55pm | 20/01/11

      All the professionals: professors, doctors, academics, teachers, social workers, lawyers, counsellors, mums and dads, have implemented a fragmented approach to dealing with bullying. Schools: private, public, independent and religious all have differing school protocols to deal with child to child violence. Not one school will effectively document what is happening, monday to friday, regarding acutal, threatened and feared violence. Whilst our kids die or self harm or grow up to have really crappy lives. Yes some bullies do flourish, but we all cannot be CEO’s so can some politician grow a set and legislate a universal, national school documentation format. That way at least parents can reflect on what happened to their child, after the funeral. And schools can stop deploying a culture of cover up to diminish child to child violence. Or they lie and say nothing happened, despite forensic evidence.

    • Grumpy says:

      04:00pm | 20/01/11

      School sucks! drop out…i did and now i Drive the school bus.

    • Experienced says:

      04:21pm | 20/01/11

      It’s complicated with bullies. There is all kinds of bullying, from physical to mental and starting in school yards all the way to workplace psychopaths. Some bullies can be gotten rid of by being passive and not giving them what they want, others stop only when you stand up for yourself. If you are on an even playing field with them (eg co-worker who has no control over you) you can sometimes deal with on an individual level but if they have control over the group it becomes a challenge. When your boss is a bully you pretty much have no choice but to leave. Going to HR is a waste of everybody’s time. Been there done that. How can you spot the victim? Its the person who gets blamed and always loses out in my experience. Sad but true. Bullies are so clever they know how to work the system which protects them.

    • Deer says:

      04:27pm | 20/01/11

      My grandad once told me a story of a guy he knew who whenever he went into a new job (labouring, so mostly men), he asked who was the top dog around the place. Then he went to that man and punched him in the face (I believe this was pre-workplace safety days). As a result he was never bullied at work and was left alone. Sounds good to me!

    • MelD says:

      04:50pm | 20/01/11

      The bullies had a tough home life? Boo Friken Whoo, cry me a fricken river FFS! I have never induleged in bullying because i was too busy being bullied myself and trying to stop myself reaching for the razor blades. NO ONE has the right to do that to someone else, I don’t care what their home life is like, it shouldn’t be allowed.

      One bully ended up a drug addict adn murdered? Well give the person who did that a cigar!

      You cannot say what constitutes bullying and what doesn’t, the only one in a position to do that is the one being bullied.

    • Little Lady says:

      08:45pm | 20/01/11

      No one has the right to bully someone else, but someone has the right to kill a bully?

      I’m sorry for what you went through, but as the article states that person had a harder life than anyone they had bullied.  I’m not dismissing the pain that he would have caused to those he bullied, but perhaps it is sometimes a good idea to question why they are bullying people.

      I was bullied, in my own mind, quite badly.  Everyday I was crying because of some new rumor being spread, another group had exiled me, I was called every name you can think of. 

      Let go of your bitterness, live your life without reliving your school years.

    • KNM says:

      05:03pm | 20/01/11

      This subject gets me really angry and I get so upset when I hear about people being bullied. I was bullied through my primary school years (in the UK), and for some unknown reason, ended up with the same bullies in my class throughout my time in Secondary School (eg High School over here). The physical bullying (and we’re talking being kicked, punched, shoved against walls for no reason and with no provocation from me to warrant such behaviour from the bullies) was bad enough, but it was the mental/emotional bullying that caused me no amount of pain. Because I was too small to physically stand up to them, they thought they could get away with it. I was bullied because of my size, because I was brought up differently by my parents (they were VERY strict and old fashioned), because I got on with teachers (and no I wasn’t a goody two-shoes/teachers pet and I didn’t do well at every subject - even if I didn’t get high marks, I just tried my best), I was bullied because my father had a different skin colour (he was Sri Lankan) so had to put up with all the verbal abuse regarding that, I was bullied JUST BECAUSE I was different and didn’t follow the mindless crowd - the bullies took it upon themselves to decide that I didn’t fit in anywhere and they didn’t like the fact that I was different (some of which wasn’t my fault - it was how I was brought up and what was expected of me by my parents). It got to the point where I was too frightened to go to school and was suicidal - I had a complete nervous breakdown and was taken out of school until I was able to go back. Somehow during the last part of my time at senior school I was able to somehow find the strength to cope and finally deal with the bullies in my own way.
      For those of you who say “bully back” or “it’s just teasing” - sometimes you don’t realise just how far you go and how far you push the person that you are targeting. Teasing might be one thing - but that’s how it usually starts and then can escalate into something much more sinister. Yes, victims of bullying need to be taught how to cope/deal with bullies. But when someone is a bully it comes down to how they are brought up by their parents and being taught standards, morals and decency to fellow human beings. It all starts at home. If parents don’t take a hand in teaching their kids how to behave and don’t have standards/morals/a conscience themselves, then the kids are not going to know any better.

    • Aeryn says:

      05:06pm | 20/01/11

      I was bullied almost mercilessly in primary and high school. During primary school it was because I wore glasses, tried my best to be nice to and friends with everyone, and was overweight. I was called a retard (when in fact I’m quite intelligent), had rumours spread that I had AIDS and rabies, and other kids would jump off the footpath if I came within arm’s length. I finally retaliated halfway through Year 5 by calling my tormentors every name and nasty word I could come up with, but it wasn’t them who were punished. I was, for doing nothing more than hitting back. The principal himself hauled me out of class and ordered me to explain my behaviour to him. My parents removed me from that school at the end of that year and enrolled me in a local private school.

      Year 10, it started again - but that time, it was because I was an atheist in a school full of Christians. I lived in fear of being dragged up before the school board and expelled because of my atheism. I lost most of my friends once they found out, and most of the teachers considered me to be lower than something that they’d scrape off of the soles of their shoes. I had kids in the grades below mine chasing me around the school grounds and telling me that I was going to hell because I no longer believed. I didn’t hit back that time because I KNEW that because of my lack of religion, I’d be punished more harshly than I would have been were I a Christian. It was that kind of school. The teachers did nothing to stop the bullying, even though it was happening right in front of them, and I’m still angry at them for that.

    • stephen says:

      06:02pm | 20/01/11

      With a name like that mate, I’d've worn a big thick woolly jumper and pretended I was someone’s pet.
      Good luck anyway, heh ?

    • Andrew says:

      05:21pm | 20/01/11

      I like your article. It rings true. I think of bullying, however, as something primarily biological and only secondarily cultural. Take a look on Youtube at “chimpanzees” and “murder” to get an extreme - but I think relevant - example. I also have come to the view over the years that bullying cannot be stamped out. The best we can do, probably, is to teach the victim how to deal with it. I suspect that teaching victims how to form alliances with others, so that they have their own support group, will be more effective than teaching them to fight back physically.

    • kerry says:

      05:41pm | 20/01/11

      The humiliation of becomong aware of being outside a/the group is profound. Who is in control? In my case, I’d had my fair share of being part of the group, then when it was my turn to be on the outer, I had a strange enlightenment. It was punishing, debilitating, it led to questioning my very existence, but it also led to empathy. It made me determine not to be part of a group.
      Round the same time as that awareness happened, my mother was cleaning the house after Christmas. The Christmas tree had been put outside. My brother and I thought it was a great game to throw 6-week-old puppies on the lawn and then drop the tree on them (don’t ask me why, I was just a kid). Mum soon saw what we were doing (you can’t ever hide from your parents) and ordered my brother and I to lie on the ground while she dropped the Christmas tree on us - and as many times as we had done it to the pups.
      Needless to say, we learned our lesson very well - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Best lesson of my life.

    • Bezza says:

      08:11pm | 20/01/11

      I was visciously bullied by several social sets of kids at secondary school for four years. It was only when i physically grew sufficiantly large that I stopped being the ‘fat’ kid that everyone picks on and became the large solid bloke who you don’t pick on that the bullying stopped. Now i am not talking about name calling and practical jokes, although there were pleanty of those, i am talking about systematic physical beatings, multiple times a day for four years.

      Quite frankly if i had, had access to firearms i would have either have blown my own head off or taken it to school and taken my revenge. However as a survivor of serious abuse and torture at the hands of parents and siblings i lived in fear of violence. The one time i did hit back i was so terrified at what i had done that i flead school and did not attend 80% of my classes for four weeks. The school and authorites only ever discovered what was going on (i mean they knew but had to act) when a member of the public witnessed me being chased down and beated by a gang of six students.

      So yes, it is a complex issue, there is no simple solution, and i tell you now i have no sympathy for any of my bully’s. I hope they have led pathetic lives and that karma has caught up with them.

    • Little Lady says:

      08:30pm | 20/01/11

      Bullying policies aren’t meant to do anything, they are only there so that the school can pat them selves on the back and say “We have a bullying policy”.  They don’t actually do anything.

    • LA says:

      09:52pm | 20/01/11

      I was bullied from primary school right through highschool. The bullying entailed social isolation, humiliation and teasing about my looks. In terms of pecking order, I was right down the bottom. In being an outcast at the school, it made those higher feel better about themselves. So while they partied and took drugs, I worked hard on my school work. Years later, I am now in my early 30s. Reconstuction surgery also transformed my appearances and I’m considered attractive, but I still don’t see it. I’m also doing my PhD, am a lot more outgoing, have friends and a relationship. However, my self esteem still suffers to this day, years later, and whenever I see one of the “popular” people from school, anger still wells up inside me. The effects are life long.

    • stephen says:

      12:46am | 21/01/11

      You’ve been watching too much of ‘The Shield’.
      And as anyone of this series would know, the way to get ahead is to excel. : that is LA style, ‘sit on my face and tell me yer love me’, or ‘bend over’n I’ll drive yer home’.
      Either way, you’ve got it comin’.
      Good luck, Vic Mackey.

    • Pavel says:

      10:39pm | 20/01/11

      Hi Brendan,
      Thanks for this interesting essay, nice language skills.
      Bullying is a funny thing. The way it shows itself and how we react on this is much more interesting. These aspects are different in various cultures. For instance, a boy who complains on other boys picking on him in Australia will be ridiculed. The help will be provided but the boy will not be accepted by others, because whining is not welcomed in aussie culture. European schools (German as an example) are more strict in that respect. And, a child who calls for justice will be welcomed there and no further victimisation will be done. I’m Russian, was raised there, and came across bullies in my childhood. Thanks to that experience, I learnt to rely on myself, did lots of sport, and became emotionally stronger.
      I don’t doubt that there are two victims in every story.. the one who bullies and the one who is being bullied. Regardless of resolution, their mentality and life values will be affected. What is the right outcome? Well, do we still believe in right and wrong? smile

      Unfortunately, the society will never look case by case trying to make sense out of story. Nobody wants to bother. The current direction - is to eradicate bullying for the sake of children lives. Will it make any good for children, society and our future and future of our children, nobody knows… But it’s a step and consistent one… and… taking into account that there is no good or wrong.. well.. let it be.

    • Mel says:

      11:03pm | 20/01/11

      I was a bit of a bully in high school to a lot of people. I’m 26 now and i still feel absolutely awful when i think about the things i put people through. It was down right nasty and cruel sometimes. I know now that the reason i was such a bully was i had a lot of issues going on at home (drug addict parents, in and out of foster care, electricity frequently cut off because said parents couldn’t bother to pay the bills). I couldn’t take my anger out on them so i did it to others at school to feel better about myself.

      I don’t live anywhere near where i went to school and i’m not in touch with any of them anymore but if i was i would apologise to every person i made miserable in school

    • Brendan says:

      10:19am | 21/01/11

      Hi Mel. If you’d be willing to talk some more about it, please email me at brendanrshanahan@gmail.com I’d really like to hear from you.

    • V says:

      11:06pm | 20/01/11

      My brother was bullied at school.

      But he also sexually abused me at home.

      Now he has no friends. His best friend was his dog but our parents got rid of it.

      Karma is a biatch.

    • Bullied, but not a criminal says:

      02:49am | 21/01/11

      I was badly bullied for almost an entire school year. It got worse when I told a teacher, who gave the bullies detention for a week. The way I got out of it, is probably not a way that anyone would recommend. My Mother, having mental issues, decided to terrorise my bullies. After a couple of weeks of her showing up in places my bullies didn’t expect, throwing things at them, damaging their push-bikes, screaming at them, publicly humiliating them and so on, as only a truly crazy person can do, my bullies decided to pick on others whose parents were more normal than mine.

      That was probably the only time in my life that I was glad my Mum was mentally ill.

      Being bullied did have a damaging effect on my self esteem (so did having a mentally ill Mum), I can only imagine how bad my self esteem might have become if the bullying had continued for much longer. However, I don’t think I’d have ever gotten to the point of killing people because of it. Personally I think people use having been bullied or abused as a child, as an excuse for far too much in their lives.

    • Dave Cullen says:

      06:00am | 21/01/11

      Really nice piece, Brendan, and interesting discussion. Bullying is such a tough nut to crack. And you hit on the key thing: simplistic assumptions about crimes like Columbine, and about “cures” to bullying don’t help at all, and just cloud the issue.

      Thanks for the nice words about my book. I link to some resources at my site, like Bullies To Buddies, though I’m not sure how effective any program has been:http://www.davecullen.com/columbine.htm

    • Andrew Lee says:

      07:51am | 21/01/11

      I was the youngest, tallest and fattest in my year- a classic target. But growing up in a house being physically, emotionally and verbally bullied and abused by my step father, whilst my mother turned her back taught me to HTFU. I hated school and home and by 13 had constant thoughts about suicide. What stopped me was that I always maintained that “If this is as bad as it gets, then it can only get better” - it often got worse. However I am 41 and my life is wonderful. Whilst I have bad memories of the past I would not have it any other way as it has made me the person I am today; kind, gentle, understanding and resilient. I worked out in the end that these bullies just wanted me to be as ordinary and miserable as them. In a sense I feel pity for them because they were never happy then and they have deep guilt now (the non sociopathic ones anyway)

    • David says:

      08:10am | 21/01/11

      I was bullied a bit because I was short and skinny, although not excessively bullied.  Unfortunately my physical stature made it almost impossible to fight back physically against the head bully. 

      My two reasonably successful approaches were (a) publicly humiliate them with witty taunts - easy to do as they were pretty stupid and had many flaws, and (b) pick off their weakest member when he was on his own, rushing him by surprise - cheap and maybe cowardly, but reasonably effective.

      I’ve seen a couple of the more minor bullies years later and they have turned out as decent people and were apologetic and embarrassed about their behaviour.  Some of the major ones didn’t turn out so well however.

    • Dave says:

      08:27am | 21/01/11

      “There are few among us who can ever really claim to have never once indulged in bullying at school” - Brendan Shanahan

      Well I must be one of the few! My family moved alot during my childhood, so I was always outsider. Add to this my reluctance to go with the crowd and my schools years were a circle of perpetual violence. Whilst I learnt to defend myself and appear to have turned out ok, that will not be the case for others with different personalities. By statements like the aforemention, you infer bullying is nothing to really be concerned about .

      I’m sorry you also were bullied, but to assume that bullying ‘isn’t all it’s cracked’ up to be because you ‘got over it’, is increadibly ego centric.

    • Brendan says:

      10:13am | 21/01/11

      HI Dave. I’m sorry but that is not my inference at all. You’ve projected that onto me. Of course there were some people who never bullied anyone, and some people who were bullied and never got over it. I never said that either were scenarios were impossible. If you use quote marks, please make sure I actually said what’s inside them.

    • scott the realist says:

      09:18am | 21/01/11

      Every animal on the planet goes through the finding out of where they sit in the pecking order it is a survival method that has been genetically bred into to all living creatures and no matter how hard pathetic humans try to be unatural and boy are we good at that, this is natural the weak know there place and the strong prosper and survive it’s only in our capitalist based society that we realised the weak the defromed and disabled are stil consumers and other industries can be set up to make money from them even to the detriment of socitey as a whole, not one other lifeform on the planet carries it weak or disabled and that is our main issue. NOw I’m going to get yelled down here or probably this won’t get published but fact and reality rarely do theese days

    • Lol at neanderthals says:

      10:41am | 21/01/11

      Keep that in mind when you or your loved ones are ill or injured and consequently disabled.
      I used to think like you when I was very young, but as I have grown and met many people that have a wide range of physical and intellectual abilities, I have leanred that often it is the people who are challenged that end up contributing the most to society. Likewise many people who are fortunate enough to be born physically and intellectually typical are more likely to be self serving, self-rightous whose sole contribution to society is negligable.
      Finally, and I’m not expecting you to understand this but Bill Gates, Einstein and Stephen Hawking, amongst many other so called weak people have achieved millions of times more than you could ever achieve.

    • Thommo says:

      09:33am | 21/01/11

      My son was getting bullied last year. I told him to fight back and give more than he got. Mediation is for losers.

    • Jaime says:

      12:03pm | 21/01/11

      Well, Brendan, here are my suggestions:
      Schools need to take an active approach. If they see bullying, they need to put these bullies in counselling. They need to find out what’s going on in that kid’s life. The hardcore bullies – those who seriously abuse others – like the ones you mentioned, often have underlying issues going on. Whether it be mental or familial, there’s usually something. For others, it could be bad influences, imitating what they saw on TV, acting out while bored, etc. Whatever it is, there needs to be a counsellor in each school and they need to deal with this sort of thing.
      It needs to be done early too. If it goes on for too long, it gets harder to break the cycle because it usually extends outside the first group of bullies. People start seeing the victim as an outsider and more ostracize the victim or go with the mob mentality and bully too.
      The best sort of long term support though is a ring of friends. The loner is always the one who is going to get picked on. The knowledge that someone is going to back you up makes a difference. Schools need to have programs that encourage socialising between years and socialising across different peer groups. Parents need to try to socialise their kids as young as possible, with other kids that live in the same area and with kids that might go to the same school in the future. (This ties in to my theory on why the stereotype that nerds get bullied isn’t exactly true. Nerds who are confident and have their other nerd friends around don’t get bullied.)
      In the end, I’m only speaking from experience with girls though. I have been semi-bullied, I have semi-bullied and I have stopped bullies. When I found out my friends were being bullied, I confronted the bullies. The girls were larger than I was with a less than stellar reputation but she stopped. I think it’s just a lot harder for bullies to continue when their victims have peers that will help stand up for them.
      No matter how supportive your family is, friends are the ones who are around in school and can take immediate action to help you. That really helps.

    • Twigs says:

      02:28pm | 21/01/11

      Bullying is such a crock! I moved fronm the city to the country at the start of year 9, i was top of the pos in the city and then all of a sudden the funny smart alec i was had no back up, i got my head kicked in for the first 6 months. But i never dobbed and i worked at it, watching what made these people tick, how they were different and how they were the same, it was a long process but by the time i was in year 12 i was voted house captian (which at a public school is a popularity contest) and top of the pops again. Was i bullyied? Yes, do i care? No coz i uderstand all types of people and it has helped me in my profesional life to be able to talk to all types of people. If my son comes home one day and says he is bullyied i will kick him in the pants! The best advice i can give is “OWN” your difference, if your a red head call yourslef a ranga, i was really skinny, i called myself Twigs, the name stuck and i made good use of its comedy value. I new a fat guy that would dance, he never got bullied. School isnt hard, it never changes, take your licks and learn from them!

    • Earl says:

      04:08pm | 21/01/11

      That being said, the government should be a lot doing more to combat this problem.
      Should the government be doing something too combat this problem? NO! There are truckloads of laws there now and not being used. What is needed is identifying the bullies and telling the parents that either their feral son either shapes up or he ships out, it’s that simple. Most of this begins at home with the attitude of the parents being at fault. As far as fighting in the workplace, we have workcover and police that ignore most incidents, they even ignore bribery of your barrister on the steps of the courthouse, saying that this happens all the time in such cases and it was not worth worrying about.

    • JessB says:

      04:09pm | 21/01/11

      Really great piece Brendan, very though provoking.

      I was bullied by guys in the year above me at school. As moved through the corridors between classes, they would shout out ‘Ugly’ to each other, referring to me. It took me a few days to realise what was going on, and a few days more to work up the courage to mention it to my best friend at the time. She promptly told me I was imaging it, and that those guys were so popular they would never take any notice of me.

      It continued, and progressed to deliberately bumping into me in the corridor. I eventually just stopped going to school. Once my parents found out I was wagging, and why, they got it fixed straight away. I was lucky enough to have two particularly amazing teachers at school, who were able to control this pack of hideous boys.

      Bizarrely enough, although I am sure these boys were idiots, and high school is more than a decade ago, I still think I’m ugly. Nothing anyone can say can shake that thought.

      I wish I had punched all of them, as advised above.

    • gm says:

      01:46pm | 23/01/11

      Cullen , who first reported on the story for the online magazine Salon, acknowledges in the book’s source notes that thoughts he attributes to Klebold and Harris are conjecture gleaned from the record the pair left behind.

      Jeff Kass takes a more straightforward approach in “Columbine: A True Crime Story,” working backward from the events of the fateful day.
      The Denver Post

      Mr. Cullen insists that the killers enjoyed “far more friends than the average adolescent,” with Harris in particular being a regular Casanova who “on the ultimate high school scorecard . . . outscored much of the football team.” The author’s footnotes do not reveal how he knows this; when I asked him about it while preparing this review, Mr. Cullen said he did not necessarily mean to imply that Harris was sexually active. But what else would such words mean?

      “Eric and Dylan never had any girlfriends,” the more sober Mr. Kass writes, and were “probably virgins upon death.”
      Wall Street Journal

    • Catherine says:

      02:44pm | 24/01/11

      I remember one throwaway line when reading an article about the Columbine killers. It related to one of them having damaged a car when younger and the significant thing about it was that he was never held to account for it. The implication was there had been a lack of boundaries set while growing up with the result that they felt they could do whatever they wanted. Perhaps Bullies need to be interrupted somehow in behavior that can just become comfortable to them. Or they act out feelings of negativity that they are attached to and pass onto others.

    • Tanya says:

      02:54pm | 25/01/11

      I don’t think it can be argued that bullying in the past couple of decades in either the school yard or the workplace has taken on a way more vicious and damaging form than it once had. The definition of bullying when I went to school was having your bag stuffed in a bin or your shoelaces tied together - a far cry from the despicable physical and emotional violence that is occurring now. And as a result, the consequences are far more terrible - deaths, severe physical harm and suicide to name the most severe.

      Like anything, prevention is better than cure - children need to be taught from a young age to recognise a bully and understand what drives them. A bully’s motivation and rationale (with the exception of that of a random psychopath) is simple - they are disempowered or bullied themselves in some aspect of their life (usually their homelife) and compensate for it by disempowering others whom they perceive as weaker than themselves. 

      If children are raised with an appropriate level of understanding that these sorts of people live amongst us, it should serve to lessen the bewilderment associated with victim status. It doesn’t cure the bully but it diminishes their job satisfaction.

    • JacJacJacqui says:

      03:34pm | 25/01/11

      Success is the best revenge. That was the best advice anyone gave me. Bullies go through the high point of their life at school and as soon as school is over, so is their reign of power/terror. Then they’re just like everyone else, trying to make the most of life (a life they have already sacrificed for the sake of “popularity” at school, of all places). The funny thing about bullies is that they bully because they know deep down that they’re losers in life and they generally come from families of losers and they just want to distract people from how sad they really are by appearing “powerful”. Karma is the great though. All those popular people who thought they were sooo hot end up fat, pregnant or in jail. It’s the best!!! Gotta love Facebook. smile It was the only reason I joined.

    • AngryAsp says:

      02:58pm | 18/02/11

      You are sadly misinformed about this subject by a slick, aggressive but ultimately vacuous media campaign promoting this book and its author.
      Dave Cullen is nothing but a lying,opportunistic famewhore. His book is riddled with odious lies.

      Its disgusting how quick you all are to swallow whatever the liar says without doing any further research.

      Anyone with any real knowledge about Columbine knows what a liar Cullen is and how flawed and worthless his book is.Obviously, none of you on this page have more than a surface knowledge of the subject or you wouldn’t be mooning over Cullen’s badly written book of fiction.

      =Factual Inaccuracies==
      Dave Cullen’s book alleges that Eric Harris was involved in a romantic and sexual relationship with a woman several years his senior, Brenda Parker.

      However, according to the official police interview in the 11K she confessed to making up the relationship, in addition to making up knowing about the attack prior to it happening and being afraid to partake in it.

      Interview- “After a lengthy conversation she admitted that she wrote the above, but that it was not true. She just made it up to get attention. She stated she has no life and spends way too much time on the internet.”

      (note- JC-001-010843 to 010851)

      * [http://www.acolumbinesite.com/reports/cr/report.html Link to the entire 11K Report, see pages 10800-10900]

      Cullen claims that Eric Harris was a swaggering ladies’ man and confident social king. This assertion is ludicrous.

      Cullen writes that Eric “got lots of girls” and had sex with a 24-year-old woman named Brenda Parker. He even quotes Parker in his book. The truth is that Parker had no connection to Harris or the tragedy; she was a “fangirl” who sought attention by making up stories. She has *zero* credibility.

      Eric tried to get a date to the prom; he failed. He asked several girls, all of whom turned him down. He finally convinced a girl he met at the pizza place where he worked to spend a couple of hours at his house on the night of the prom; they watched a movie. She declined to attend the after-prom party with him, so he went alone.

      Harris was fairly short (5’8?) and very skinny, with a deformed chest due to his pelvus excavatum. As his body language in the following video (recorded in a hallway at Columbine and shown in a documentary about the massacre) demonstrates, he was no match for the larger boys he encountered on a daily basis:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZix8_7f_lY

      In his final journal entry, Eric wrote:

      “I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don’t — say, “well thats your fault” because it isnt, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. no no no dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along, ohh — nooo.”

      Does that sound like someone who was confident and socially successful?

      Cullen perpetuates the long-standing myth that Dylan was a sad little emo follower who was totally led by Harris.

      The truth is that Dylan was the one who wrote about going on a killing spree before Eric; he even wanted to do it with someone else.

      (Keep in mind that Eric and Dylan intended the massacre to be a bombing event with a shooting element. Their plans went awry.)

      On Monday, November 3, 1997, Dylan wrote in his journal:

      “[edited] will get me a gun, ill go on my killing spree against anyone I want. more crazy…deeper in the spiral, lost highway repeating, dwelling on the beautiful past, ([edited] & [edited] gettin drunk) w. me, everyone moves up i always stayed. Abandonment. this room sux. wanna die.”

      He wrote “*my* killing spree”, not “*our* killing spree”.

      Those who have seen the basement tapes have said that, on them, Dylan appears far more eager and enthusiastic than Eric.

      On the tapes, Eric apologizes to his family; Dylan does not.

      On one tape, Eric is seen alone, tearing up when he thinks about his friends back in Michigan. He even turns the tape off so he will not be captured crying on camera.

      If he truly was a pure psychopath, as Cullen claims, is it likely that he would have cried while thinking about old friends?

      There is also piece after piece of evidence asbout E &D being picked on and ostracized on a wide scale. Something Cullen denies ever happened.

      Whats my truth about this event?

      My truth is that E &D were bullied and tried as inhuman long enough until they decided that life was no longer worth living and decided to get revenge on a school and community that delighted in degrading them.
      I’ve been in their shoes. I know what that feels like.
      Unless you’ve been treated that badly long enough by enough people, you do not.

    • Alex_Qld says:

      07:59pm | 13/03/11

      I was bullied from the start of primary school to almost the end of highschool. Not just emotional bullying, that was bad enough, but physical assaults on an almost daily basis. The one time I truly fought back in the 9th grade, the head thug convinced the big dumb one to take a piece of 3/4 inch waterpipe bent into a pick and attempt to drive it through my skull in the middle of the main street. School didn’t want to know because it happened off the school grounds. After my couple of days in hospital I had 2 weeks detention for giving the head thug a black eye. The worst thing wasn’t the bullying, the soul destroying thing was everyone standing passively around and never once intervening.

 

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