Irony of ironies. In a time of unprecedented communications control where political statements are workshopped to death, both sides of politics are struggling for clarity.

Cartoon: Chris Taylor

What for weeks had been slated as a tough Budget softened greatly as the day approached and eventually emerged as a “Labor Budget”. In name anyway.

Indeed, Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard, and Penny Wong said so often as they ‘executed’ their media plan - a dizzying blitz of interviews across the land. Yet in reality, it was perhaps more of an old-style Liberal budget, winding in spending, lowering welfare payments and attaching tough new strings to disability support payments, the dole, and other supports.

But then, we’re all liberals now aren’t we? We all believe in markets and lower taxes, and small government, and getting the taxman’s hand out of your pocket and removing the dead weight of government from business. And none of us any more defends the comprehensive welfare state or allowing social security payments to become a way of life.

A hand up, not a hand out, right? Well, sort of.

The response to the 2011 Budget suggests some muddying.

The heat since delivery of the very “Labor” Budget has been around the decision to “pause” for a further two years the upper income limit for eligibility for family tax benefits and the FTB supplement as well as the Baby Bonus and Paid Parental Leave scheme.

It is actually a fairly modest measure saving the Commonwealth just $2 billion or so over four years. And its aim is entirely consistent with the longstanding small ‘L’ liberal principle of providing transfers only to the needy and preferably on a temporary basis thus minimising the tax take, and any sense of a permanent culture of entitlement.

Yet the move sparked a furious debate about what constituted rich. At its core was an assertion that the Government had embarked on a class war stripping you of this vital support because it thinks you are rich if your income exceeds $150k a year.

Construed in those terms of course, it seemed maximally offensive - especially given that the flip-side of the entitlement coin is a flourishing culture of complaint in which the cost-of-living squeeze gets ever tighter and we are all inevitably going backwards.

Here you are just trying to get ahead and these heartless bastards in Canberra think you’re sitting pretty just because you are, well, getting ahead.

It’s a classic straw man argument anyway because there was never any claim by the Government at least that families with such incomes were “rich” per se.

Rather, the logic was presumably that you are not so poor as to require permanent assistance once your income exceeds $150k - assistance which by the way, comes in large measure from the pockets of the bulk of taxpayers below you on the ladder.

Indeed, if you do earn $150k a year or more, you are in the top 3 or 4 per cent of incomes. Clearly if you have five kids, that’s a lot of mouths to feed, but penury, it probably ain’t.

Full -time employees in Australia earn on average less than half of that at just under $65k per year. And this figure is inflated by a few very high-income earners at the top end and by the exclusion of part-timers at the bottom. What the majority of people get is around $10k lower. And you can wipe another $10k a year off that if you include part-timers in the calculation of the median wage. In other words, half of Australian employees get about a third or less of the new income cut-off for FTBs and supplements.

This should be a slam-dunk for the Government to defend but don’t hold your breath.

Just like the recent NATSEM modelling which showed comprehensively that households are actually better off over the last five years from increased transfers, and tax cuts and lower interest rates and pay rises, despite most costs going up (including necessities), the facts about earnings are a truth that dare not speak its name.

Working families, as both a moral idyll and an economic construct, are the agreed political battleground in Australian politics and the narrative exchange by necessity is all about their universal hardships - both real and imaginary.

Given this, Tony Abbott was hardly about to let the opportunity to stoke further resentment go by.

His Budget reply was a pitch-perfect message to the “forgotten families”.

“I do not think you are rich,” he said, capitalising on the annual chance to beam directly into the nation’s prime-time living rooms. “I know you are struggling under a rising cost of living.”

The upshot from a week of big set-piece plays is that the guardian of small government is now an advocate of expensive permanent, structural redistribution to boost incomes of upper middle-income earning families.

And that the Government is fighting its case with one hand tied behind its back for fear of admitting - as John Howard once did - that “working families have never been better off”.

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    • Super D says:

      06:22am | 14/05/11

      What seems to be forgotten is that the people who are earning over 150k and having children are likely to be older urban couples, at least 30+ and in many instances 35+.  It’s also overlooked that these people earning $150k a year pay a lot of tax each and every year.  In that context giving them a modest reduction in their tax bill while they raise young children is hardly overly generous.  Even with the assistance they would still be net tax payers.  Better to give them some short term relief than throw money at cradle to grave welfare leeches.

    • ian says:

      10:06am | 14/05/11

      Well said super D, i couldn’t agree more.

    • Killy_ says:

      11:14am | 14/05/11

      For a number of reasons, Super D has made an argument that is ostensibly difficult to refute in a forum like this: children are among the most vulnerable members in society and therefore the community should look-out for their welfare, regardless of their forebears; the assumption that those on $150,000+ are being taxed by ‘Robin Hood’ and, as such, aren’t seeing their ‘fair share’ of it by way of government expenditure; and families who are financially contributing to society are being ‘held-back’ by ‘welfare leeches.’ For these reasons, Super D’s comment will win a lot of supporters throughout the course of the day.

      Aside from the fact that those depending on social benefits represent a diverse range of individuals with problems often bigger than trying to figure out how-to suck more blood from the taxpayer, I’d argue that government assistance should always have the aim of permitting people to survive with a bit of dignity. Now, if a family is on $150,000 I know they’re definitely surviving and they definitely have dignity. Moreover, if these individuals have come to have children at 30+ then their savings and / or material possessions should represent the seeming financial vitality of their single life, and as such, they should be able to balance the cost of their spawn. Asking for youthful fiscal responsibility for the burdens of later life is on par with asking ‘welfare leeches’ to direct their life towards bettering the nation’s economy.

      What I’m arguing is that welfare and tax cuts should be directed towards the most needy. Is $150,000 an arbitrary cut-off for government-funded family support? Possibly, but it is certainly fairer than a cut-off halve that number.

    • marley says:

      12:19pm | 14/05/11

      Actually, I don’t agree.  I’d like to see a system with less churn to it.  What’s the point of paying high levels of taxes, then getting some of it back?  It’d be simpler and cheaper for all concerned to simplify the tax system, reduce the benefits to the middle class and certainly to the higher income earners, eliminate all those civil servants managing the churn, and reduce overall tax rates with the savings.

    • Jimbo says:

      12:26pm | 14/05/11

      So what if they are net tax payers? Someone has to be - and considering a household earning 150K is in the top 15-20% of taxpayers it would seem to be a fair cutoff. At some level government services have to be paid for. Of course, we could alternatively do without a defence force, police, fire services, ambulances, roads, hospitals, schools, universities etc…

      Ultimately the government doesn’t owe anyone a living.

    • Condor says:

      02:51pm | 14/05/11

      Only people who are unemployed and living below the poverty line should get any form of welfare.

      Where possible it should be directed at getting them a job by giving them training or experience. Where they are unemployable then it should be enough to get them by with the basics.

      Welfare should not be used just to give people who already have money more money simply as a result of personal choice.

    • persephone says:

      02:53pm | 14/05/11

      It’s also overlooked that they’re in the top 3% of households in terms of income, and that most families are raising families - usually quite successfully - on half the income.

      It’s also overlooked that they’re paying less in taxes than they were five years ago.

      It’s also - very conveniently - overlooked that the most anyone is going to lose is about $30 per child, per year, which is hardly something they’ll even notice.

      Why should someone raising a family on $60 000 a year subsidise someone on nearly three times that wage?

    • Andrew says:

      05:59pm | 14/05/11

      The replies here astound me. The Liberal Party was built upon the principles of free market liberalism and conservative economics - less taxes, less welfare.

      Tony Abbott is actually pushing to KEEP this middle class welfare - this is a complete sellout of Liberal Party values simply out of pure populism. What exactly does the Liberal Party stand for again?

      Howard gutted this once great party with cash bribe middle-class welfare in the form of Baby Bonus and Abbott is dead set on continuing the destruction.

      Shame on them.

    • mervyn ford says:

      07:38pm | 14/05/11

      @pers. A single income earner earning 150k or more may be in the top 3% but not combined incomes. The average wage is 65k, twice that is only 20k below the threshold, please don’t tell me a family on a combined income of 150k are in the top 3%

    • Reggie says:

      08:28am | 15/05/11

      Killy/Super D “children are among the most vulnerable members in society and therefore the community should look-out for their welfare, regardless of their forebears; “

      Is this an urban myth we must all swallow, or can we call bullshit?

      Far the majority of children have two strong armed supporters to protect their interests and lots of others from teachers to the police. Over-protection of middle-class children is an interesting phenomenon. 

      Those parents who have to work at low level jobs in hours that compromise their children are not likely to be in the +$150k bracket. But IF they were, they would effectively be paying a double cost, the neglect of their children and the work as well. Child neglect has an enormous final cost 15 or 20 years down-stream, unfortunately well beyond the period of interest of the short term electoral system.

      Had to have a smile at the “older urban couples of 30 to 35.” The REALLY older urban couples struggled along on ONE income and much less social support. No matter what the income, if you choose to put your house and mortgage before your *children’s welfare, you deserve condemnation not support. *Children, in a National sense that is, where failure within the family causes untold damage to the infrastructure of Australia 15 to 20 years hence.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:25am | 14/05/11

      The reality is that families are worse off under a desperate ALP/Gilltard government! And the ALP knows it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Bring on the carbon tax and other Greens/Independents policies! Australian families are sure ‘looking forward’ to it hahahahaha!

      Hey lets not forget singles have also been screwed over, an all round effort by the ALP to line their pockets and that of their buddies (the set-top-box union mafia) and leave us all worse off.

      Brilliant Gilltard corruption and stupidity! Hope someone is writing all this down for the history books, wonderful stuff smile

      Next poll the ALP should be done and dusted….............

    • persephone says:

      01:53pm | 14/05/11

      Except that there’s absolutely no evidence to support that, AtM.

      As Kenny points out in the article above, the evidence is all the other way.

      As the NATSEM figures showed, households are better off by between $10 and $32 dollars a day now, compared to 2005.

      Have you got any evidence which shows otherwise?

    • Bert says:

      02:10pm | 14/05/11

      The set top box funds would be better used on Planking lessons for seniors,it s all about popularity and that what matters

    • Against the Man says:

      03:17pm | 14/05/11

      Really better off households? Guess those Western Sydney Labor families that DIDN’T vote for Labor at the last State election might beg to defer.

      Just pray interest rates and fuel prices don’t rise…....even by a little. Or the polls might do something historic like negative numbers pers.

      Sorry bud, the polls and real life clearly show why Gilltard is afraid to take the carbon tax to an election.

      The ALP trolls are all talk but can’t back up this government to save their lives.

      Set top boxes for $400, HaHaHAHaHHAHaHa, no one can justify that expense.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      08:21pm | 14/05/11

      @AtM- ALP or Coalition, someone is always screwing the singles and childless couples in favor of families. After all someone has to pay for the middle class family welfare and wasted spending…..

    • jb says:

      06:37am | 14/05/11

      The non event budget was so seriously over shadowed by Abbotts exceptional plan to give Gillard, Brown and Swan nowhere to go, he took his speech to the Australian people in true campaign style and smashed them by beating them at their own game.
      Their major disappointment in Abbott not giving a rebuttal to Swans boresdom budget was that he gave them no brilliant ideas to implement as their own.
      Well done Mr Abbott, you have this lot running around screaming with no idea how to pull you up.
      Then today we get more confirmation on who is the real PM of our fine country, mr Ora ora himself Bob Brown declaring before Juliar the Mugger that, and I quote, ‘there will be no election’. You might wish for it; you won’t get it . . . to want is not to get; you have to achieve it,”
      Pretty straight forward to me we need an election just to sort out this ramshackle mob and before you harp on I am totally happy to accept Juliar and the carbon tax if she does the right thing and actually gives the people of Australia a choice in the matter.
      Her latest statement about promising the greens and independents she would go full term is an utter disgrace and the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard come from a politicians mouth.
      Juliar the mugger it is the Australian voters you made promises to and it is the promises to the Australian voters that you should be honouring, pretty plain and simple really….

    • Andrew says:

      08:13am | 14/05/11

      Juliar obviously feels safer than Rudd was and her polls are heading in the same direction.  Her arrogance is sickening.

    • Sandy says:

      10:36am | 14/05/11

      Thanks Mark, I thought a good article, there is another good article worth reading today : George Megalogenis in the Oz with ‘Just keep digging’ unfortunately ‘The Oz’ has not put it up on its website.

      As an Australian, this week has disturbed me greatly - the politicians and the media treat our government system as a sport - which side is winning the political game!
      But the governing for the future prosperity of this country is much more important than who is winning the political day. We have ended up with a timid government with policies they cannot get through to the mainstream public and aggresive hypocritical opposition with only soundbites and slogans (are they really Liberals this days?), each have thier rusted on - no matter what supporters.
      Australia needs policy not politics and it needs it’s citizen’s to be more inquisitive about those policies because you cannot rely on most of the current media pack to be reporting any policies in clear and concise lanquage.
      The media is too busy high fiving each political upper cut delivered by the opposition and ignoring any effort of broadcasting policy from the timid goverment.
      We are wasting valuable time in this economic cycle and our political and media class need to change their approach now and not only that the australian population itself needs to realise that sometimes we have to make sacrifices in our daily lifes for the good of the country now and more inportantantly in the future

    • Knemon says:

      01:16pm | 14/05/11

      @ jb…Regardless of what Doctor Brown says, the next election is not due until August 2013 - which part of that don’t you or Abbott understand?

      The fact that the LNP run around saying we want an election means jack shit.

    • MarK says:

      11:55pm | 14/05/11

      “The fact that the LNP run around saying we want an election means jack shit. “

      Hmmm the wagons are corcling. The natives are defensive. the fear is set loose.

      Desperation .... I love it

    • St. Michael says:

      01:13am | 15/05/11

      @ Knemon: just remember, squire: it only takes one.

      One crossbencher to block the Budget Bill.
      One pissed-off Labor MP who cops enough flak from his electorate about the carbon tax to pull out and go indie.
      Or one independent unhinged enough to push Australia to an election on the platform of one of his private peeves when Gillard refuses to pay for it.
      Or one Green leader if Labor grows a pair, does another backflip, and kills the carbon tax again—albeit Labor’s odds of re-election probably rise considerably in this scenario as against any other.

    • Tim says:

      08:10am | 14/05/11

      Tony Abbotts words ring true - What we want is cheaper, but what we need is dearer. Or something like that.

    • Reggie says:

      01:07pm | 15/05/11

      Are you referring to his declamatory Churchillian tones or his feeble Desert Song tweedy “men, shall we fight?”  rhubarb…rhubarb…rhubarb…

    • nossy says:

      08:12am | 14/05/11

      Merry Christmas everyone , Merry Christmas ! Whats that you are saying nossy - its not Christmas time - have you gone bonkers ?  Well true folks its not Christmas time but I am just as bonkers as Tones Abbott who thinks its Election time !  hahaha Tony The One Trick Pony wasted his entire 30 minutes Budget Reply going in to an Election speech rather than tell Australians just how he would lead Australia if , heaven forbid, he became PM. Then to make it all complete less than 1 day later the Greens pledged support for Labor thus wiping out any possibility of an early election. Viewers Tony wants an election now because he knows his time is running out - you can only say ‘NO” for so long and even some of the “slower” thinking Libs will start to realise Tones is taking them nowhere fast ! And he is. Meanwhile Malcolm Turnbull, who consistently outpolls Abbott as Preferred Oppn Leader, sits very quietly biding his time ! Oh how sweet it is !

    • Muzz says:

      11:35am | 14/05/11

      This must be a first, a positive article in the media about Tony Abbott.
      A few more stories like this in the media about Abbott and Julia may as well take her ball and bat and go home.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:41am | 14/05/11

      Ah come on nobody’s still questioning if you’ve gone bonkers mate.
      And the call for an election is happening because Labor went back on something important they promised in the last one.

    • jf says:

      12:02pm | 14/05/11

      nossy says:08:12am | 14/05/11

      “wasted his entire 30 minutes Budget Reply going in to an Election speech”

      Notwithstanding that his budget reply/election speech was all vision and leadership, maybe he is election ready. 

      Maybe Abbott is simply considering the possibility that Tony Windsor will swallow his pride, listen to his conscience and withdraw his support of what he must surely by now concede is a government that is bad for all citizens.

      We know that Wilkie won’t because his ego is too large and his political confusion to great as he increasingly becomes a single-issue, poll-driven automaton;  Bandt won’t because he is a committed and implacable socialist who thinks that it is unreasonable for shareholders in banks to expect a greater return than term deposit holders (or doesn’t understand the difference); Oakeshott won’t because he is a blithering fool whose greatest political achievement is his revenge on the conservatives who refused to recognise his self-confessed genius. So, it’s up to Windsor who, despite being inappropriately influenced by personal political vendettas, may have a shred of decency and concern for his country left.

      And so, with the possibility that Windsor could, at any time, discover that shred of integrity, the opposition must be in election mode.

      If the Government was as ready to govern as the opposition was to fight an election then your criticism may be valid nossy.

    • nossy says:

      12:30pm | 14/05/11

      @nihonin why thank you nihonin ! Thats just Richo’s way of keeping Labor on the balls of their toes but thanks anyway fella ! Richo’s a wag.

    • majority says:

      12:54pm | 14/05/11

      @nihonin. Thanks for the link. Last year richo said on Q&A that Rudd had approx 2 weeks to make some changes. About 2 weeks later he was gone. The writing might be on the wall.  He might not hold office but he is listened to.

    • nihonin says:

      04:54pm | 14/05/11

      nossy, anytime mate, but don’t you think it’d be better if the Labor party removed the wax from their ears and the logs from eyes, and stopped playing with the balls of their feet, sometime soon and start listening and reading the mood of the people.

    • Battlers in Suburbia says:

      08:19am | 14/05/11

      Mark, your apologist tendencies are creeping out again. You assert in your piece that the level of $150,000 is an individual marker only, neglecting to point out that the freeze is based on Family Income with a combined total of $150,000 or more.  Two kids, two incomes to reach just over $150,000, $1600 a week in child care, $1600 a week in mortgage, $2400 a year in electricity…. The list goes on. And no, it’s a small house in a poor suburb with a shitty second hand car. You tell me I’m rich, go on. This is just another Labor failure.

    • Killy_ says:

      10:25am | 14/05/11

      I’m not going to tell you that you’re rich, but I will say that you and your partner have greater earning potential than most families. Not only is the super on $80,000+ per annum far from horrible, but once the financial burden of your children is eased AND assuming that you’re both not already nearing the end of your working life, your earning potential as a family unit will be exponentially better than MOST families. Of course, my assumption is based on the assumption that you’ll maintain or increase your current income for the foreseeable future, but this is no more a straw man argument than to claim that you’re current financial difficulties are set to continue until retirement.

      Do your current pains justify the government kicking some of the tax-payer supports out from underneath your family? To answer this, let’s look at another struggling group in society: students. Calls to increase Centrelink support for those studying at tertiary institutions is often met with claims that ‘they might struggle now but graduates are likely to earn more money than the average population; WHY should the taxpayer help them?’ If this defence is generally regarded as sustainable against a very diverse mixture of individuals - students just aren’t singles living at home aged 18-21 - who are often living BELOW the poverty line, then I can’t see why a similar argument can’t be brought against the ‘Battlers in Suburbia.’

      Before replying, please consider that I’m not claiming that families on $150,000+ aren’t struggling in suburbia. My view - and I’m sure I’m not the first to claim as such - is that future earning potential should not be discounted as a consideration in this very heated topic.

    • Rosie says:

      12:46pm | 14/05/11

      Totally agree with your first sentence Battler in Suburbia!

      Yes Mark, your apologist tendencies are creeping out again. You only add to the confusion that is out there amongst the Australian people who just want to be told in an understandable language of how a govt could and should improve their everyday living standards. They are not political junkies like some of us. On Thursday night Tony Abbott was heard crystal clear to average Australians sitting in their lounge rooms and what they heard they liked.

      No Mark, both sides of politics are not struggling for clarity, only Gillard Labor along with jurnos like yourself.

      We know what Tony Abbott and the Coalition want, they want this incompetent Minority Govt and a chance to show the people that they can do much better. Tony Abbott has done a great job, consistently reminding us that this Minority Govt is struggling in every department because of its complicated set up. Simply it hasn’t worked and will not work.The quicker jurnos like yourself stop confusing us the quicker we will have Elections, not to mention the stoppage of this Govt’s wasteful spending.

      Everything this Gillard Labor Govt does is worked around undermining Tony Abbott’s potential ability of becoming the next PM. Today’s Australian - ‘How Swan budgeted for Abbott’ They are not doing the job they are there to do ie govern for the people the Labor way. If they did will not be all “Liberals”: like the title of your article implies.

    • AFR says:

      01:08pm | 14/05/11

      $1600 a week in child care? Where the hell are you sending them?

    • Knemon says:

      01:27pm | 14/05/11

      Battlers in Suburbia -If you’re struggling on $150,000 per annum…you don’t need government assistance…you need an accountant. The sheer greed of some people astounds me.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      01:45pm | 14/05/11

      @Battlers in Suburbia -From your numbers, your mortgage appears to be $900,000+. Your childcare costs appear to be $160 per child per day. I think you should stop looking for external causes for your problems. And stop demanding that I subsidise your lifestyle choices.

    • Warren says:

      05:08pm | 14/05/11

      $1600 a week is what it costs me to send little Tarquin to Eton. It’s too much, I’m broke. I need the government to help my finances!

    • DaveinPerth says:

      05:51pm | 14/05/11

      @Rosie - Glad your supporting ‘Battlers’ cause. Can you advise just how much of my money should be given to support ‘Battlers’ mortgage payments? If he upgrades his house and gets a $2million mortgage, should the amount I pay for his lifestyle increase?

      Also, always enjoy hearing you bang on about this Minority Govt. I take it you also abhor the concept of the Libs forming a coalition with the Nats?

      Also, did you speak out vociferously about the years of Howard crawling to Brian Harradine?

      And I have no doubt that you personally denounced Abbott for offering blank cheques to the independents in return for their support in forming a minority Liberal government at the last election?

      (Just trying to work out if I’m listening to hypocrisy or psychosis?)

    • Gen why says:

      06:21pm | 14/05/11

      I need my driveway repaved and I wont it done now!

    • benvolio says:

      06:53pm | 14/05/11

      Battler,
      Have I got a deal for you!
      In the interests of private enterprise I’ll do your child care for 2 and a half days for only $800.
      Provided I can sleep in my car in the driveway
      The black notes play louder than the white ones.

    • Rosie says:

      11:29pm | 14/05/11

      @ DaveInPerth

      My daughter became a single working Mum after she lost her husband to cancer. She has two children and earns $170K a year. She has a mortgage and pays for after school care for her kids. The budget has taken away from her the child rebate and salary sacrifice on her car. The same applies with my son. We are self retirees so take it or leave the budget doesn’t worry or bother us or our children. Someone has to pay so I am not complaining. What I object to is the fact, this Govt is doing nothing for the people but pleasing the Greens and Independents for their survival. I also object to the way Tony Abbott is being undermined as justification for Gillard Labor’s incompetency.

      No I don’t and never have abhorred the concept of Libs forming a coalition with the Nationals because to me they are the rural Libs. It has always been like it ever since I can remember.

      Howard crawling to Brian Harradine is the past, not interested and don’t bloody care. You have nothing to use as defence so have to resort to a former Lib PM.

      In the past again, Tony Abbot offering blank cheques to the Independents was a naturally thing to do at the time so the Coalition could govern. I bet he is now glad Oakeshott and Windsor gave their votes to Gillard because he would have been in Gillard’s shoes and never know could’ve even lied about the carbon tax, renegade on just about all the initiatives he promised during the election campaign. All this to please the Independents and Greens to remain PM for the full term is not how I would like to be remembered in the history books.

      You may like to think it is hypocrisy or psychosis on my part but sorry to tell you it isn’t. It is reality which Laborites hate being reminded of.

      You guys need a reality check. Please go and get it from Graham Richardson. Check out the link in one of my other posts. I played golf today and very tired. I didn’t want to reply but thought, no ain’t going to let you get away with your rant. It is becoming very boring and no wonder Tony Abbott’s budget reply was so refreshing and welcoming.

    • Eddie says:

      12:30pm | 15/05/11

      @ Rosie

      Tony Abbott’s not the only one who’s glad that the Coalition lost the election. If he prefers the benches of Opposition, that’s just fine.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      01:07pm | 15/05/11

      @Rosie - Sorry to hear about your family loss. My sister lost her husband to heart attack, leaving her a working mum with one child. She doesn’t claim centerlink payments, as she’s got a good job earning $60k, and we’re not “welfare people”.

      Also, glad to hear you’re out on the golf course, keeping fit and saving my healthcare $.

      But if you’re feeling tired, you might find that it’s not the golf that’s doing it. You might find that it’s the mental gymnastics you are having to perform to rationalize your position on “Country Libs”, Harradine, and Abbotts proposed blank cheques.

      And if I wanted to take my cues from some talking head on TV, it wouldn’t be Graham Richardson. Maybe you should do some thinking for yourself, instead of listening to the pundits?

    • Alan says:

      08:53am | 14/05/11

      Suggestion - if you have an elderly relative or know of an elderly person who doesn’t have a set top box, buy them one for <$100 install it yourself and when Gillard comes cash in hand the pensioner can look here in the eyes and say no thanks.

    • persephone says:

      02:00pm | 14/05/11

      And you save the taxpayer money, so the government won’t complain.

      Of course, they won’t get the set top box which is especially designed for the needs of elderly people, but will have to put up with something inferior in quality and design.

      And they won’t get the same back up service, 24 hours a day, that the government provides, but if you and your family want to take that over too, feel free.

      The government doesn’t want you joining the program if you don’t need to.

      And if noone does, they won’t complain.

    • Adam Diver says:

      03:06pm | 14/05/11

      Perse that is a new low, even for you. How anyone could defend the set top box waste is beyond me. We have had adverts for this switch for years now, how about a littlebit of personal responsibility in this country.

    • Bruce says:

      06:03pm | 14/05/11

      Alan: It would be cheaper to give the elderly a new digital TV. Anyone of the big retailers could do this very cheaply, with almost no involvement from the government other than to provide the subsidies and have the details of the applicants who recieve the STB. Also, its a reasonable assumption that most people who need a STB have an old TV. What happens to the STB once the old TV breaks down ? Throw the STB out ? What a waste if the STB only gets 3 months usage when the old TV breaks down !

    • Aitch B says:

      07:17pm | 14/05/11

      @Persephone

      “especially designed for the needs of elderly people”

      WTF???

      I call total, unmitigated, utter bullshit!!

      Pray tell how it will be “especially designed for the needs of elderly people’, Pers.

      Looking forward to your response…..........

    • marley says:

      12:22pm | 15/05/11

      Specially designed set top boxes?  I thought the only difference in set top boxes was whether or not they were HD.  What does a set top box for the elderly have?  A ginormous remote?  Funny, when we were in the market for a set-top box, no one referred us to the “electronics for seniors” section of the shop.

    • Bitten says:

      01:28pm | 15/05/11

      @ marley: I’m perplexed by the electronics for seniors concept too - maybe it’s where you can buy iPod nanos that also act as hearing aids. Or battery-powered false teeth that you can set to auto-chomp.

    • Brian B says:

      02:10pm | 15/05/11

      Geez Pers, “set top box especially designed for the elderly”?

      I don’t believe you. Send me the brochure please.

    • hermes says:

      03:37pm | 15/05/11

      blimey Perse, I know you are a Labor apologist, but defending the moronic set top box scheme is surely trolling amongst the shark shite, even for you. Personally, if I were a pensioner, I would be highly insulted that Julia Gillard assumes that anyone aged over 60 or disabled, is somehow mentally deficient, and needs special help with technology. Why not tell people like Warren Buffett and Stephen Hawking that they are too stupid to work a simple gadget?

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      05:41pm | 15/05/11

      Pers, a big button universal remote from Dick Smith costs $19.98, probably cheaper if you shop around though. The Set Top Box (STB) at $30 and the custom remote at $19.98 - where are the other couple of hundred dollars going?

    • Steve Smith says:

      08:58am | 14/05/11

      Tony Abbott is unfit to even clean dunny’s,he is a joke and is only Liberal Opposition Leader in name and title only .
      His pathetic response that he has the audacity to even call or be seen as a Budget Reply Speech,only goes to once again show why this man is totally unfit to even be seen or recognised as a Leader of anything.
      Tony Abbott is as fake and as phoney as his so-called policies,because he has none,and he never will.
      Instead of using the budget reply speech to outline what policies,cutbacks or alternative measures that he would undertake should he ever become Prime Minister, he misused his budget reply speech as a blatant and deliberate attack on the Government.
      Tony Abbott might be craving to become Prime Minister but he shows and displays a complete lack of ideas or policies and it still won’t give more intelligent Australians any real reason to vote for him as an alternative Prime Minister in the near future.
      It appears that once John Howard’s attack dog in Government, Tony Abbott is still behaving as an attack dog in Opposition,ridiculing and opposing other political parties policies and ideas,but still having none of his own to contribute or put forward to the Australian people.

    • William says:

      09:34am | 14/05/11

      He misused his budget reply speech? Most people couldn’t careless about the budget reply. He can use it to say what ever he likes, and definately doesn’t need to answer Gillard and Swans questions! A refreshing change I would say. Even managed to give Gillard a serve while he had her as a captured audience. Brilliant stuff. He spoke like a true Leader with conviction, courage and direction.

    • LAD says:

      10:12am | 14/05/11

      Intelligent Australians know Abbott is not going to present a budget from Opposition. Intelligent Australians know he does not have to outline cutbacks or alternative measures in a reply speech. Intelligent Australians know that being truthful is not being negative. Intelligent Australians know alternatives will be outlined when an election is called.

    • Your name:ian says:

      10:31am | 14/05/11

      Could say the same about Gillard, steve.  Bring on an election. you labour hacks are so scared of the E word.  You can attack Abbott all you like but at the end of the day it will be up to Australia to decide.

    • MarK says:

      11:08am | 14/05/11

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Steve.

      The excellent oration of Abbott has you THAT rattled has it.

      Oh dear the desperation is rank.

    • I think and I vote says:

      12:00pm | 14/05/11

      Hey Idiot.  Name one budget reply in the past 70 years in which the opposition outlaid an alternative budget with costings.

    • Steve Smith says:

      01:01pm | 14/05/11

      lad
      Then you have definately exposed yourself as being unintelligent.
      As for Tony (Mr don’t believe everything I say) Abbott, being truthful, you have to be joking,he is a farce, a phoney and people like you that believes a habitual liar like Abbott is just as bad as he is.
      It does not matter what Tony Abbott rants and raves about it can be certain that it would not be the “Gospel truth” anyway

    • Knemon says:

      01:32pm | 14/05/11

      @ LAD - Intelligent Australians will never vote Abbott into power - full stop

    • persephone says:

      01:41pm | 14/05/11

      LAD

      that’s because intelligent Australians know he is utterly incapable of doing any of those things.

    • Steven says:

      01:46pm | 14/05/11

      William, as the opposition Mr. Abbott has the opportunity to create a constructive debate about economic issues, providing a narrative in which a viable alternative could be considered from. It is his choice to say whatever he wants, true, and like a kid who hasn’t got to bat first he has used his time once again to disparage and debate destructively.
      Yes this his choice, but would it not have been a better option to provide substance as an alternative? rather than looking like a kid with his nose out of joint left to field near the fence because his only contribution is “this is s*&T!!”
      Please LIbs give us a real constructive alternative, not a destructive opposition.

    • Adam Diver says:

      03:04pm | 14/05/11

      @ Steven, although its not the best outcome, you have to have an IQ in single digits to think its a good idea for an opposition to release thier own budget. Beyond opening themselves up to criticism, it will take media attention away from the real budget the one that actually effects us.

      We have elections to choose between the parties, we have oppositions to expose holes in the current governments policies.

      Some people really need to grow up, or take note of the reality in which they live.

    • Chris L says:

      06:27pm | 14/05/11

      LAD seems to be using the word “intelligent” a lot. What was that old saying about “repeat a lie often enough…”? Might be up there with “superior economic managers”.

    • Steven says:

      06:44pm | 14/05/11

      i wasn’t asking for a faux budget, merely asking for a constructive style of debate. The current LIberal leader is creating a destructive debate. Why?
      Is it because government is their primary goal and not the development of the state as a whole through constructive debate that highlights alternative policies?
      denigration in any forum, be it politics or a news media site, is counterproductive, of course in his eyes it productive because he has a different agenda: he fights to get in government, not better Australia.
      As a voter desperately waiting for a real alternative to vote for, i feel that it is up to Abbott to provide, at the very least, a broad description of their solutions and policy initiatives. Otherwise they are not providing a clear alternative choice.
      Like your arrogant IQ comment, their style is in no way relevant to the operational aspects of the forum. He reminds me of a character in a book i read as a kid; Tony Abbott is wormtongue.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:29pm | 14/05/11

      Please, nobody feed the troll (ie Steve Smith).

    • Steve Smith says:

      05:54am | 15/05/11

      Northern Steve
      Is that the best response that you could come up with by calling me “Troll”?
      Sorry to disappoint your false assumption, but I am not employed by either State or Federal Labor Governments, I am employed in the private sector.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:06am | 15/05/11

      Steve Smith
      By their response to your comments it looks like you have rattled Northern Steve and Lad ..
      An old proverb came to mind when I listened to Tony Abbott’s uninspiring diatribe that he called a budget reply speech, they say “That empty vessels make the most sound.”, and they were right,one just has to look at Tony Abbott and some of his loyal supporters and followers that frequent these blogs.

    • Steve Smith says:

      06:46am | 15/05/11

      Lad
      AS Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott wasted his budget reply speech by using it instead as an attack on the current Government.
      If Tony Abbott wants to be taken seriously as an alternative choice for Prime Minister,he should have outlined how the Liberal party would achieve the budget surplus that they are claiming to be able to achieve in a shorter period than Labor had they been in Government.
      What cuts would the Liberal party have made to achieve that surplus?, Tony Abbott has failed to give any details or outline how this would be done or achieved by the Liberal party.
      What exactly does Tony Abbott stand for?, the answer appears to be nothing, no policies,no ideas, no clues and no real direction.
      As summed up by another blogger, DR NO appears to be an appropriate name for Tony (The Phoney) Abbott.

    • Bruce says:

      09:37am | 15/05/11

      Steve: Has any opposition leader given a comprehensive budget reply. Suggest not.

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:01pm | 15/05/11

      No, not rattled (but thanks for the concern, Christian), just annoyed that SS’s diatribe of pointless crap is filling up too much space here without really contributing anything of any value.  He seems to copy paste the same crap regardless of topic.

      I feel a little sorry for him, he seems a really angry man.

    • CiscoKid says:

      09:07am | 14/05/11

      With all this drain on the government ,the budget ,carbon tax,cutting pensions, it must be time to give themselves a pay rise. Watch this space .

    • BobM says:

      09:35am | 14/05/11

      Well, Juliar and Wayney have increased Australia’s credit card limit from $80billion to $200billion - I’m sure they’re planning on spending every last cent of it in the next 2 1/2 years.

    • Holly says:

      09:46am | 14/05/11

      The Battlers in Suburbia are paying $1600 per week on their mortgage - that means they have borrowed close to one million dollars - so which poor suburb is this?

      At last we see some of the media almost calling Tony Abbott to account - but still seemingly Julia is to blame for not having the nous to play his political games.  Please start telling Tony Abbott we are sick of his gamesmanship.  Leading a country is not a game.

    • peta says:

      10:41am | 14/05/11

      Speak for yourself Holly,  Abbott is doing the right thing by me. Bring on 2013

    • LAD says:

      11:18am | 14/05/11

      I think the words “GAME ON” came out of Gillards mouth. Correct me if I’m wrong.  Leading the country is not a game - good advice for Gillard I would say.

    • Marek Bage says:

      01:03pm | 14/05/11

      Indeed, Holly.
      Don’t forget the $1600 a week in childcare!!
      For that kind of money you can hire a fulltime nanny and maid and still have enough leftover to have a bloke in to mow the lawns.

      Our Battlers in Suburbia are either consummate liars or the biggest whingers imaginable. Or, quite possibly, both.
      Cheers

    • Ian says:

      01:10pm | 14/05/11

      It was Julia trying to look tough and impressive remember saying “game on”. Tony Abbott is wiping the floor with her and now it’s not fair. lol

    • bbb22 says:

      11:06am | 14/05/11

      Gillard will receive more than $600,000 a year for the rest of her life once she leaves politics plus the rest of the perks. 

      How about Australians start to wake up the fact that these deluded fools live by the mantra ” do as I say not as I do”. Gillard and Swan and Rudd for that matter haven’t got a clue what the word budget even means.

    • JT says:

      11:19am | 14/05/11

      ‘‘exceeds $150k - assistance which by the way, comes in large measure from the pockets of the bulk of taxpayers below you on the ladder.’‘

      Bullshit, the workers in the upper tax brackets of Australia pay the bulk of all income tax revenue. In fact if I can remember the figures it was the top 25% pay approx 65% off all income tax revenue.

    • Harquebus says:

      11:32am | 14/05/11

      The budget is toilet paper. It does not address the real issues which, are over population, resource depletion and deforestation. The “toilet paper” does not plan for our future. The price of petrol ain’t goin’ down folks.

    • Richard says:

      01:00am | 15/05/11

      @ Harqebus

      Those aren’t the real issues. The only real issues are peak oil, and Flash.

    • Echo says:

      03:51am | 15/05/11

      Its peak oil mate, peak oil.

    • Echo Beach says:

      12:33pm | 15/05/11

      ... and Flash mate, Flash.

    • Ryan says:

      11:43am | 14/05/11

      @ Holly

      The good news is that the Coalition are continuing with their negative, no policies strategy.

      It’s earnt them them the benches of Opposition at the last two elections, and will continue to do so for as long as they don’t understand that the way to win elections is to have better policies.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:41pm | 14/05/11

      I don’t think I quite agree with you about the no policies strategy - you normally wouldn’t expect an opposition to have a full swag of policies this soon after an election anyway.  It takes time to develop policies after an election loss.

      On top of that, negative, ‘fear campaigns’ will only work when the government is unable to sell its message, either because it does not believe it, or does not understand its own policies properly.  Hewson was unable to sell the GST, against the backdrop of the Labor fear campaign, yet Howard could not that many years later.  he was a much better salesman than Hewson.  Gillard & Swan couldn’t sell water to a thirsty man.

    • Ryan says:

      01:15am | 15/05/11

      @ Steve

      The Coalition had 3 years after Howard’s election loss and couldn’t come up with anything. And here we are 9 months after Abbott’s election loss and still nothing. How long do these dunces need? If, as you claim, Labor can’t sell water to a thirsty man, what does that tell you about the Coalition whom they’ve defeated at the last 2 elections?

    • Reggie says:

      09:46am | 15/05/11

      Which coalition is that Ryan? We have two you know. The one that is perpetually dependent on the Nationals and the other that is not. The “Liberals” must always consult the “Nationals” before forming policy but never do. So Tony’s failure to present any policy is as much to protect himself from the Nationals as it is from the rest.

      I long for the hilarity of the day the Nationals become the senior member of the coalition. Please God, let me survive to see that day. smile

    • Northern Steve says:

      09:50pm | 15/05/11

      @Ryan, they took policies to the election and lost (marginally) and it is typical for a losing party to then regroup and spend a couple of years developing policy in preparation for the next election, otherwise Labor would still be spouting Rollback or It’s Time.
      Good policy takes time to develop and 9 months is certainly not enough.  You want to see the result of undeveloped policy made quickly?  Look at the current dog’s breakfast we have for a government.  The East Timor solution made on the run sat there like a pile of dog’s vomit for how many months before they brought back the Pacific Solution with Manus Island?  And now the Malaysian solution is already falling apart with the Malaysians wanting to choose whic refugees they take,  Shouldn’t this have been worked out first?  Also Carbon Tax versions 1 & 2, Mining Tax versions 1 & 2, NBN versions 1 & 2, Health reforms versions 1 & 2, none of which are really up and going yet

      Perhaps I could just as easily ask when is the government going to start providing some real policies?

    • Ryan says:

      11:05pm | 15/05/11

      @ Steve

      The Coalition had 3 years after Howard’s election loss and couldn’t come up with anything. And here we are 9 months after Abbott’s election loss and still nothing. How long do these dunces need?

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      12:03pm | 14/05/11

      Yawn, so some middle class welfare junkies cry in anguish when appears that some of it might be taken away at the $150,000 threshold. I’m still waiting for a political leader with true courage to restrict welfare to the truly needy: the genuinely unemployed, the genuinely disabled and pensioners and not for lifestyle choices. Now there may be merit in tax cuts, especially as politicians have failed to fix the bracket creep, but there is no merit in using the welfare system to subsidize the middle class family at the expense of singles and childless couples.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      12:09pm | 14/05/11

      Holly,
      That question should be directed at Your PM.
      They are a piss weak mob who with Uncle Bob will ruin the country,
      Look at all the SHIT that rudd and gillard have caused since labor has been in power.

    • Chris L says:

      06:25pm | 14/05/11

      That could be a good point TCB except, I have to ask, what shit? We’re not sinking into the ocean at the moment, in fact we are experiencing record properity. I’ve been waiting for the sky to fall on our heads ever since 2007, but that hasn’t happened yet and I’m wondering if the Coalition supporters might be full of that stuff you say Labor has caused.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      11:52pm | 14/05/11

      Chris,
      Sarters all the tax payers money lost .
      Those labor pricks had no money to pay for the floods.
      The same pricks cant even protect our borders.
      Do you like the idea of cutting defence spending and inreasing money on the boat oppurtunists that keep on coming.
      Thats Some of the kind of Shit im talking about.

    • I, Juliar says:

      12:34pm | 14/05/11

      The most revealing moment after Abbott’s budget reply (a cleverly incisive rebuttal of the Gillard minority government’s financial incompetence)  was the look on Bob Brown’s face when he was adamantly advising a reporter there will definitely be no election.  Brown was caught red-handed on camera, masquerading as the Real Prime Minister.  His pictured, guilty face worth a thousand words. The Liberals could do well to run that Bob Brown moment as part of their next campaign, right alongside Gillard’s “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” clip.
      I didn’t know that Abbott would grow in the job to the extent he clearly has. He’s tearing Gillard and her cronies apart. They are disintegrating under his calm daily exposure of a very, very bad government with its ill-chosen incompetent PM Gillard. A govt. and its Prime Minister even more disrespected than Whitlam’s. (At least PM Whitlam and his gracious wife were dignified people).
      Abbott clearly is not going to allow Australians to be pushed around and dudded by the fake Juliar or any of her manipulating cronies. Almost every day, Abbott is shining a strong light on Gillard as the inept political failure of our times. He is now absolutely dominating the parliament.
      Gillard is history. A pity that the first female PM’s portrait in the Canberra gallery will amount to no more than an sour legacy that another Labor woman made a complete idiot of herself.  And forever remembered as a liar.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      07:44pm | 14/05/11

      Did you also notice the look on gillards face when People were Applauding to Abbott in the Public Gallery of Parliament,  as he was Replying to the Budget.
      She DOES think like gaddaffi..

    • The Badger says:

      12:35pm | 14/05/11

      “Based on this week’s performance, Tony Abbott still sits with the long list of low achievers.(opposition leaders)
      His populist, contradictory, rhetorical and shallow analysis of the budget has been matched only by the shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey.”

      “Abbott said on AM that “this government” says people on $150,000 “are super rich,” (they haven’t said that) and “they don’t deserve any help from the government.” (They haven’t said that either.) He then said , “Sure, these people might be doing better than most, but they’re doing better than most through hard work.” Is he suggesting those who don’t earn that much haven’t worked hard enough? “

      The conservative peanut gallery on the punch taking their cue from the lying Dr. No leader of the No Position party have used all the lies they can muster and still can’t break through.

      Abbott is toast
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/13/3216341.htm

    • Paul says:

      04:39pm | 14/05/11

      I disagree that Abbott is toast, in fact he led an opposition to an election that came very close to replacing a first term government. Secondly being populist is what you need to win an erection. Turdly not saying much and waiting for the other side to make mistakes is often a good strategy.

      I am not saying that he will certainly be the next PM, but while the polls are in support of his party, then Abbott is a good opposition leader, providing you categorise a good opposition leader as one that gives their party a good chance at winning the next erection.

    • nossy says:

      04:41pm | 14/05/11

      @The Badger - toast indeed Badge !  He might just as well give Twiggy a ring over in WA to see if there are any spare picks and shovels !  hahahah Hes gotta service that jaw dropping $700k mortgage somehow Badge !

    • jg says:

      07:29pm | 14/05/11

      Take it to an election and we’ll see.

      Labor would get slaughtered.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:50pm | 14/05/11

      Can’t do your own thinking today Badger?  most of your post is a quote.
      I also read the article you’re quoting from.  Prompted me to see what the last Labor opposition leader did, Rudd, in 2007.  Pretty much the same as Abbott and avoided talking about the budget

      Headline: “Rudd’s words less budget critique, more campaign speech”
      http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/rudds-words-less-budget-critique-more-campaign-speech/2007/05/10/1178390469719.html

      To be honest, I can’t remember any recent budget reply speech that really responded directly to the budget, and Labor’s insistence that Abbott do that is just them desperately trying to set the agenda.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      11:02pm | 14/05/11

      Paul ,
      Abbott did BEAT gillard at last election 73 seats lib 72 seats lab.
      It was the soft cock independants that gave gillard and her silly mob power, not the people.
      She is doomed to lose now, because of the LIE to the Aust. people which will be taken and NEVER FORGOTTEN to the next election.

    • MarK says:

      11:54pm | 14/05/11

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Oh dear Badger you really have overreached. I am literally laughing my arse off in real life at you.

      Toast?

      Yah - with dreamy butter and fresh marmalade. MMMMM YUMMY. Give me some of that.

      Seriously this is hilarious. I will write a nice piece on how Browns announcement on his governments choosing to run full term actually spells the end for Gillard.

      Dead woman walking that one. And Swan.

      You do bring a chuckle to my daily life god bless you you littel rascal you.

      BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ..... Abbott is toast. Thigh slapper of the week.

    • Rosie says:

      01:20am | 15/05/11

      @ jg

      Wrong. We had an election just last August.

      The Coalition lost. Remember ?

    • Rosie says:

      12:39pm | 15/05/11

      @ TCB

      Wrong, yet again.

      Gillard beat Abbott 76 to 74.

    • Reggie says:

      04:28pm | 15/05/11

      What’s this TCBX24 x7 CRAP?  This guy should be locked away, he’s paranoid. Any “LOOK” at what Tony was saying was disbelief that anyone should be SO furking irrelevant.

    • Glen says:

      12:48pm | 14/05/11

      Love all the Labor stuffers here complaining that Abbott abused his right of reply. Guess what lamos… Australians outside The People’s Republic of Canberra couldn’t give a flying ****.

      Here is some free advice - have Gillard ditch the carbon tax; Labor will improve its poll. Then either two things will happen - Browny will block supply and you can call an election, or you will have called his bluff and he’ll do nothing. I reckon the later. He is all bluster and he won’t risk an Abbott government.

      But probably too late for the Left anyway. Mark my words get ready for the 2011 election and an Abbott government by late 2011/2012. The faceless men are sharpening the knives… not to mention Rudd…

    • Rosie says:

      01:12pm | 14/05/11

      Holly don’t waste your time - just reado and comprehendo.

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budgets/abbott-puts-up-his-dukes/story-fn8gf1nz-1226055574970

      The last paragraph; “Please PM, do some listening and do it quickly. You will soon have too many of the voters I have listed above who will have stopped listening to you for good.”

      In case you didn’t know the author - It is Graham Richardson who is a media commentator and a former federal Labor cabinet minister and Labor Party official.

      Couldn’t get better than this!

    • Steve says:

      03:28pm | 14/05/11

      AFR.  I lost 5 minutes of my life reading that. I think it was the worst bit of satire that I have ever read. You do know it is not a serious piece of journalism don’t you? I have never met one of these so called bogons. Do any live near you?

    • Condor says:

      10:19pm | 14/05/11

      Steve it must be nice to live in a small enclave in Point Piper and never have to leave. But I have seen more of this country than that. Even Bondi Beach is infested with bogans in the summer. You should read more of TBL and gain an understanding of who both sides of politics are trying to bribe for their votes.

      It will also give you a good idea for why this country is going down the gurgler.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      02:30pm | 14/05/11

      The politics of envy.

      The government is here to nurture prosperity for all people not just “battlers”.

      Cost of living pressures are real for all in society, regardless of what their incomes are. Just because someone has gotten ahead doesn’t mean the government should treat them like an ATM.

      This government and you are nothing but little tall poppyists. Why don’t all you laborites go move to cuba or something, oh wait they have just allowed private property…

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      03:46pm | 14/05/11

      True liberals don’t exist in Australia.
      They belong in Canada only.
      The Liberal Party is Australia’s Conservative Party.
      They belong in Abbottobad with Tony Abbott.
      The Labor Party is Australia’s Democratic Socialist Party.
      The Greens are the only liberals in Australia.

    • Billy says:

      04:36pm | 14/05/11

      Is it green policy to give the latest boat load a free digital set top box or do they intend to funnel the funds to the sydney mardi gras,lol and have a lovely gay

    • Paul says:

      05:03pm | 14/05/11

      Can I ask if you are equating Tony Abbott with Osama bin-Laden is because both have religious beliefs?

    • Reggie says:

      01:32pm | 15/05/11

      Interesting you should mention that BOT. The Liberal Party that Churchill joined after he jumped ship from the Conservative Party in about 1904, instituted a considerable part of the English Social welfare system that had been lacking for so long. Pre-war note. On that basis and including your classification, -  an “Australian Churchill” would have had no other option but the Labor Party. Unless you could see him as a Green of course in which case he would have been the prick prodding our current Prime Minister. wink  Or perhaps he may have insisted on being the Labor/Green Coalition leader.  Either way, he’s have had Tony for breakfast.

    • Paul says:

      05:01pm | 14/05/11

      Had the Liberals actually said what they would have done with the current finances, strategically they would have done themselves a dis-service because the truth is they would have cut much more that Labor/Greens have.

      What I see differentiates the two coalitions Labor/Green and Liberal/National is that the left policy is focussed on social and environmental impacts more, and doesn’t really get the economics, while the right policy is focussed on the economics and takes a harder line on social policy and would like to pretend that the environment will look after itself.

      I am convinced however that we are now seeing the fruits of policy mistakes that Labor have made and the Coalition warned about, namely that there was too much spending during the downturn. This was predicted to put upward pressure on inflation which would put upward pressure on our currency and that’s what Labor is ‘blaming’ on their fiscal position. I would say that THEY CREATED this fiscal position and we are now all poorer because of it.

      Further to this I would warn that continuing with this government will continue to undermine our collective wealth and there will be less to go round than there would be under a Coalition government and this budget is just a tast of things to come.

      In a democracy we have nobody but ourselves to blame, so please everybody let’s consider all the issue thorougly before going to the ballot box in future.

    • Julia and Bob says:

      05:32pm | 14/05/11

      NEW FLASH: Julia Gillard and Bob Brown introduce the Social Justice and Transparency Act 2011.

      Effective 1 july 2011.

      Individuals or families earning over $150k have been lurking in society for too long. This government is introducing the social justice and transparency act to remedy this situation. The aim of this act is to flush these people out into the open.

      These individuals and families earning over $150k will be required to wear a yellow star for ease of identification, on all visible external clothing. Failure to comply will result in immediate confiscation and redistribution of all assets.

      Rampant inequality has forced us to take this step and we believe this is clearly in the best interest of society resulting in a truer, more just and more equitable society.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      07:31pm | 14/05/11

      Send gillard and labor to Malaysia,

      The boats just keep on coming.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:24pm | 14/05/11

      Good to hear that PM Bob Brown said “no election, our Government will run full term”.

      Leaving Gillard to respond, somewhat belatedly, “I will decide when the next election is”.

      Who’s the bitch?

    • Rosie says:

      01:24am | 15/05/11

      @ Joel

      Tony Abbott. Sucks to have no say, but that’s what you get when you lose.

    • I, Juliar says:

      11:12pm | 14/05/11

      TCB it now appears that Thailand is SO impressed with the costly and lousy 5:1 people swap deal Gillard did for Australian taxpayers, Thailand informed Rudd they would like a similar people swap arrangement for themselves. How charming. It won’t be long before economic refugees will be pregnant women and children. Now will Gillard or will she not redirect mothers and children to Malaysia?  If not, then we’ll see family reunion “rights”. Or maybe they will drop Malaysia, put Thailand offer on hold, and have a shot at Manus?
      It’s aweird and confused regime. Gillard, Rudd,  PM Brown, Oakeshott, Windsor and Wilkie.  Six of the most peculiar minds in Australian political history running the country by default.
      Something’s gotta give, the show is now bordering on lunacy.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      09:58am | 15/05/11

      If countries become interested in deals like this it would only mean 2 things.
      To get rid of their problems.
      And make $$$$$ out of any deals on Human trading.

      Some of the more SHIT labor is creating.

    • hermes says:

      03:41pm | 15/05/11

      I know people who are lifelong Labor voters, who now think that the Govt is doing such a piss poor job, with so many idiotic policies, that they will vote Coalition, because “...nobody could possibly do any worse than Labor.” They’d possibly vote Kevin Rudd again, but Julia Gillard is just like someone who you are in the final throes of breaking up with; the stage when every single little thing they do is so excrucatingly irritating, that you cannot bear even to hear them talk, or see their face. I recommend D.I.V.O.R.C.E., brought on by a nice little bye election or Independent affair…

    • Andres says:

      11:03am | 07/02/12

      Fran – Anna Winter once had a post here about rosngnicieg allies … for all that we Greens don’t like about the ALP, I’ll be pleased when the NBN rolls out, recognise that most experts on the health system welcome the ALP changes (and aren’t you happy to see the changes made to the Medicare Levy? and plain packaging?), glad that right across Australia there are federally funded significant infrastructure projects underway, anticipating a national disability insurance scheme …. I could go on.We disagree with Julia Gillard about many things, but at the same time, many of things she’s progressing are (mildly) progressive. It’s a pity that she’s not very good at communicating. Remember the legendary Hawke cabinet – you can still hear people like Susan Ryan on the radio and love the way they make a point. This is a fairly talentless cabinet – another reason to let us hear some of the other voices from within that government. Could Melissa Parke be any worse than Jenny Macklin?

 

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