There’s a certain irony that a Government proud of an unemployment rate with a “four in front of it’’ is obsessed with work in this Budget.

Jobs, jobs, jobs. Photo: The Australian.

“If you ask me what it’s about, it’s really about jobs, job, jobs,’’ Mr Swan told The Punch this week.

Such sentiments would have been unremarkable from treasurers past as they wrestled with deep recessions and accompanying jobless numbers in the double figures.

That however, is not where Australia is in 2011.

Indeed, with some notable exceptions - older workers, regional jobseekers - relatively few people actively looking for a job are being denied and employers are struggling to fill vacancies.

But for Wayne Swan this is a hinge Budget. He views it as a ``unique opportunity’’ on the cusp of a boom to marry long-overdue welfare reform and economic growth.

Unemployment sits at just 4.9 per cent and slated to drop to 4.5 per cent in the next two years as 500,000 new jobs are added to the labour force.

Below 5.0 per cent has long been regarded as approaching full employment functionally speaking but now some economists say the jobless rate will go even lower over the next 12 to 24 months - perhaps down to 4.0 per cent.

Added to that positive story is respectable economic growth with excellent medium term prospects, low levels of public sector debt compared to similar economies, a very strong dollar making many goods cheaper and thus tempering inflation, and lower interest rates than historically have been tolerable - at 4.75 per cent, the cash rate is a full 300 basis points below its level through most of 2008 for example.

Australia is in the fortunate position having precisely the commodities required by a rapidly industrialising world.

“The rivers of gold are in full flood,’’ says Deloitte / Access Economics’ director, Chris Richardson.

Thanks to China and India, our terms of trade are vastly better than at any time in the last 50 years and our national income is therefore climbing fast, a key driver of our bullish jobs market.

“The last time the world was paying Australia this handsomely for our exports, Bismarck was still trying to unify Germany into one country and Japan had only just opened itself to trading with the world after centuries of isolation,’’ he said.

``Those aren’t once in a life-time factors, they’re probably not even once in a century factors, and they are downright beautiful as a backdrop for the federal Budget.’‘

Yet for all that, gloom abounds and a monster deficit looms.

First to the gloom.

NATSEM economic modelling conducted for News Limited newspapers this week sparked a storm of indignation when it concluded that households, from poor to wealthy, were better off now than five years ago.

The findings were rigorous and completely independent and NATSEM, a highly regarded outfit used by Treasury, stands by them.

It crunched all the numbers contributing to household costs against income movements, welfare payments, and tax cuts.

Yet the response of readers via News Ltd websites was overwhelmingly hostile with many branding it a lie and the bidding of CEOs and the government.

People simply refuse to accept that a steadily rising tide of welfare over the last decade, tax cuts every year for the last 8 years, and pay rises, along with a number of necessities and discretionary items becoming cheaper, have freed up some cash.

Such is the ingrained culture of complaint that the feeling of an ever tightening cost of living squeeze, is unchallengable - even with empirical facts.

And politicians themselves are to blame because they never test the assertion that life is getting harder lest they be tagged as out of touch.

It is this very cowardice incidentally that led to the “rising tide’’ of middle class welfare in the first place and which dictates that no mainstream politician can ever admit it is enough - let alone, too much.

In a polity where everyone is trying to “empathise’’ with the battlers, and show they “feel your pain,’’ no one can call an end to this miserable game. And it is miserable because everyone says so.

The result has been corrosive to politics, to the economy, to public policy, and to public confidence.

Back to the Budget.

When Mr Swan rises to the Dispatch Box at 7pm on Tuesday, he is expected to unveil an underlying cash balance in the ballpark of $51 billion (negative) followed by another solid shortfall next year of $22 billion - both are about $10 billion over the most recent Treasury forecasts of $41 billion and $12 billion deficits respectively.

These blow-outs are contributing to the muddled story of this Budget, this economy, and the difficult politics surrounding both.

That confusion comes from a Commonwealth balance sheet still labouring from the revenue slumps of the GFC (company taxes and capital gains dried up) and with more recent ones still to register (floods, cyclone, earthquake/tsunami).

Yet co-incident with this impact on the Budget, the economy, although lagging with low consumer confidence and business lending, is nudging against capacity in some areas as Resources Boom MkII gathers pace.

Mr Swan must reconcile a short-term need for spending restraint to contain those deficits, with an impending avalanche of activity that will almost certainly lead to wages pressure and interest rate rises - and slingshot the Budget back into the black within two years to boot.

Here then is both the political and the economic imperative behind this Budget’s jobs focus: that an economy with strong employment already must somehow unearth hundreds of thousands of new workers or else face such fierce competition for scarce labour that it drives up inflation.

The Government’s response is a no-brainer: to meld the economic and the social - to make welfare to work, both morally right and economically necessary.

“It’s really important that we give every Australian the opportunity to participate and spread the benefits of wealth, and we don’t have a person to waste, we got unemployment coming down to 4.5 but still in parts of the country, there are high rates of unemployment and high rates of welfare dependency so a very big challenge in this Budget is to make sure we maximise participation from all Australians, in the benefits of the boom,’’ Mr Swan said.

The message to people on Newstart Allowance or the nearly 800,000 recipients of the more generous Disability Support Pension, is “your country needs you”.

Mutual obligation is the new black. If you can work, even in a limited capacity, you will be expected to do so.

But if this seems more stick than carrot, Mr Swan is eager to put it into a social justice framework.

“We’re dealing with the issues of intergenerational welfare dependency dealing with the issues of people on payments for long periods of time, some of whom have capacity to work, getting them into work is a key aim of the Budget’‘.

“We have a unique opportunity, given that unemployment is so low and given that we’ve got such a strong investment pipeline coming to do more and it just shouldn’t be confined to those people who’ve got the high degree of skills and will derive all the benefit.’’

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    • Against the Man says:

      06:12am | 07/05/11

      This budget is going to be interesting, they can’t please everyone and I’m sure the majority will feel the pinch and that is part of what you get with this government.

      Students and pensioners are already screwed. The rest….......Gilltard and co wasted so much now it is scrambling to balance things out.

      Rudd would be proud hahaha

    • John A Neve says:

      04:04pm | 07/05/11

      AtM,
      Please tell, just how are “students and pensioner already screwed”?

      Is this another of you fancies?

    • Super D says:

      08:01am | 07/05/11

      Actually its only about 2 jobs.  Julia’s and Wayne’s.

    • Sarah says:

      09:10am | 09/05/11

      LOL - First comment of the day that bought a smile to my face smile

    • nossy says:

      08:19am | 07/05/11

      Yes Mark we are all preparing ourselves for the “HORROR” Budget to be brought down on Tuesday night. This Budget will lay the foundations for a glorious victory for the Labor Party at the still distant 2013 elections. Now for our Liberal viewers thats 2 years away ! hahah. Jobs , jobs, jobs as you rightly say Mark will be the centerpiece of Gillards Budget along with already revealed help for families with teenagers still studying and of course and immediately opposed by the shallow one Dr No aka Tones Abbott. Dole bludgers will feel the ‘lash” as they are asked to step up to the plate and contribute - sounds fair to me. Budgets are not always meant to be popular with everyone particularly the 1st Budget after an election ( take note young TimmyB) and after the dust settles and Dr No and his team squeal like little piggies everyone will realise how sensible it was. God help Australia if Dr No ever got his hands on the “levers of power” backed up by the crimson faced inumerate Barnaby Joyce as his Deputy ! I note Barnaby has given up on his move to take on Tony Windsor at the next election and is now focused on the docile Bruce Scott the National who holds the seat of Maranoa in QLD. Poor decent old Bruce will no doubt be offered the obligitory National Party “incentive” of a “bags of boiled lollies and a meat pie with sauce” to step aside and give old Crimson a crack at it !!  hahahah. But finally Mark I think on Tuesday we will see a sound Budget aimed at progressing Australia !

    • Rosie says:

      11:12am | 07/05/11

      Good morning Nosthow!

      You must have drunk too much and had sun-stroke after your boating trip yesterday.

      So Wayne Swan is now apeing Tony Abbott with slogans after the Goddess of Smart Talk decided to finally ditch East Timor for Howard’s Pacific solution. You must talk to her to also include the friendly island of Nauru as she will need it. Tony Abbott’s “stop the boats” will not happen unless she fully endorses the Pacific solution.

      Back to Wayne Swan’s four letter word slogan “jobs” repeated as many times as you like would have been better than Tony Abbott if only it had a narrative to it. Jobs, jobs, jobs on its own dosen’t make any sense! If he is going to copy Tony Abbott, the least he could do is to make sense of it.

    • nossy says:

      12:12pm | 07/05/11

      @Rosie - good morning Roise - you are looking lovlier everyday ! Yes Ms Gillard is making some “adjustments” as she goes but at the same time stealing Tones thunder - come election time poor old Dr No will be left standing flat footed and friendless. Good morning once again the lovely Rosie.

    • John says:

      01:26pm | 07/05/11

      Dream on Nossy, by 2013 the govt will not of paid of the deficit and Australia will be in a recession with large job losses. It will be seen once the Carbon Tax is inputed and manufactures move to place like China to do thier manufacturing. Also business will have to shed staff to stay afloat.

      Also the NBN still will only be available to 10% of Australia and the rest will have to find some other system as telstra would of cut thier system.

      Funny how Gillard and Swan are giving to families of ppl who turn 16 a 4,000 bonus. Next election these young ppl will be voting. Nice bribe Labor.

      China will, yes China will have a fleet of warships sitting just off Australias FIR to protect thier interest in shipping. Dont believe me had a read of the White paper. Defence is an area were successive labor govts have failed. Last time around Beazley was defence minister led to mass resignations as he slashed and burned defence spending.

      End of the day labor were the same in No to this and No to that when they were in opposition but maybe you labor supports have forgotten as the Liberals did have control of parliment for a period.

    • acotrel says:

      07:27am | 08/05/11

      @Rosie The day the ALP takes asylum seekers back to Nauru is the day I’ll be changing the way I vote! The ‘Pacific solution’ was a shameful episode in our history.  It was when John Howard cynically denied asylum seekers access to our courts to be shown ‘just cause’ why they should be imprisoned!  It’s a basic human right in every western democracy. The High Court of Australia has determined recently that asylum seekers also have that right!  - Howard is a lawyer - HE KNEW BETTER!

    • jf says:

      09:18am | 08/05/11

      acotrel says:07:27am | 08/05/11

      “@Rosie The day the ALP takes asylum seekers back to Nauru is the day I’ll be changing the way I vote!”:

      So acotrel, apart from being in a different country, how is the current Government’s policy for asylum seekers different from the Howard Government’s? Specifically, how is it more humane, how does it address border security more effectively and how is it more econonically responsible?

    • Glen says:

      01:02pm | 08/05/11

      Horror budget - this isn’t a horror budget - I don’t think they are even possible in this country. Austerity UK/Ireland/Greek style etc now that’s horror. This is just your Labor mates prepping the public in an attempt to stave off criticism.

    • MarK says:

      09:43am | 07/05/11

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/blanchett-sought-for-carbon-rescue-team/story-e6frg6xf-1226051435954

      Hmmm what will this come under?

      Slush fund?

      Desperation measures?

      Broken promise fixit fund?

      Can’t come under government advertising can it? Didn’t they ruke that out a while ago? Ahhh what the hell. It was only a promise I guess.

      And as I read elsewhere wasn’t it good to HMAS Welfare go pick up another boatload of economic refugees seeking centrelink payments yesterday.

      Can’t wait to see what the failed border policy has cost us.

      Can’t wait to see more on the mining tax. Hope to see something on the carbon tax…..strange that the treasurer has hardly said a word on the largest change to the Australian economy in a decade. Don’t tell me Gillard doesn’t trust Swan to sell something?

      This should be a hoot.

      Remind me. Has this government brought down a surplus yet? How many new taxes has it raised - or attempted to raise - in this quest though?

    • nossy says:

      12:16pm | 07/05/11

      @MarK - ahhhh HMAS Welfare - thats good Marky !  hahahah

    • Mouse says:

      07:04pm | 07/05/11

      Hi MarK. re your link, that rule only applies to the other parties remember. labor had to change the rule for themselves so they could use our money to counter the big bad miner’s ads. This time they have to use our money to convince 60% of us that the carbon tax is good. Isn’t that great? With all the film stars and “ordinary Australians” pushing their barrow, we of course will change our minds. Do anything and everything to get it through. If their previous stances are anything to go by, it shouldn’t be long before the carbon tax is retweeked or put on hold anyway.

      Another boatload? You are surprised? It’s like living under a flight path, after a while you just don’t register the noise. Don’t worry, East Timor will come on line soon, er sorry, it’s Manus Island/the Pacific solution now. isn’t it? (Throws hands in the air)

      Another point I found interesting, is Garnaut is adding another couple of supplementary notes, to the previous supplementary notes , supplementing the notes before that, saying he has done a 10 year carbon pricing review. What happened to the 3-5 year plan? Oh that’s right, I forgot. Didn’t Combet say that the people getting the rebates were going to get them forever?

      Gee,I am confused! It’s getting hard to keep up with what’s going to happen or not happen or maybe talked about or discussed later.

    • nossy says:

      11:41am | 08/05/11

      @MarK - I now have it on very good authority MarK that HMAS Welfare is to be scuttled on Tuesday night to become a dive wreck ! Also out of work Lion Tamers currently surfing whilst on Newstart will be offered a new career choice in the Mining Industry - somehere over in the remote Pilbara region ! Go hard Ms Gillard - you can outdo Tony my love !  hahahahah

    • Richard says:

      10:43am | 07/05/11

      No, you’re wrong: Australians have never been doing it tougher. When many adults in their 20’s can’t afford to leave their parents home and afford to live independently, when young families need two breadwinners just to survive, when most baby boomers don’t have enough money saved up to survive their imminent retirement, when the electricity bill each quarter costs nearly $1000 and rising, when essential services like public transport and water costs are soaring, you’re having a laugh if you think Australians are doing it better. The only people who truly think that Australians are better off are those with a political agenda to push and an ideologically warped and distorted perception.

      Its not wealth or jobs that provide high living standards. Wealth is measured in money, which is rapidly losing relevance as the world’s reserve currency gets printed into oblivion. Jobs are not relevant either: everyone in Soviet Russia had a job, they had full employment, 0% unemployment, yet they had terrible living standards: they had to line up to buy bread, they had to wait ten years on a list just to be given the privilege of buying a shitty Skoda. Nobody wants to work for work’s sake, the only point of having a job is to improve your living standards.

      And that is what this incompetent government fails to grasp, and why they truly are such terrible economic managers. They so pig-headedly push policies down are throats that are expressly calculated to reduce our living standards. Why? Why do they hold the will and the well-being of the people in such contempt? Because they are deluded by their own extreme left wing ideology, they actually think they are doing the right thing! They actually think what they’re doing is for the best and we’re all just being greedy!

      Yes folks, that’s how out of touch they are, they truly don’t realise how hard it is to survive in their stiltified and ossified bureaucratic welfare state-ist monster of a society they’ve created. We simply cannot wait until 2013 to vote them out, they must be removed NOW by popular will of the populace, by peaceful, but implacable people power if necessary.

    • Condor says:

      12:57pm | 07/05/11

      Wrong. The only people whinging are those like Rosie and those Adam refers to who think they are entitled to live the good life at the behest of the taxpayer

      They are the ones with generic minimal qualifications who dont live within their means and then complain about doing it tough and expect the gubberment to bail them out with childcare, cheap energy and handouts.

      Maybe you wouldn’t have $1,000 electricity bills if you weren’t running 3 plasma TVs and the pool pump every day. I know because over the last few years my energy bill has barely topped $200 per quarter.

      Life is good if you work for it

    • John says:

      02:19pm | 07/05/11

      Ok if that is your thought Condor then how about these. We will saving billions.

      We abolish the 6,000 tax free part before paying tax.

      Also lets abolish the tax free excemption for medicare levy. Everyone should have to pay 1.5%.

      Lets abolish all deductions and negative gearing. In regards to capital gains tax lets take away discounting as companies dont get it.

      Lets get rid off trust as well and make them pay full tax.

      Lets not allow ppl who put extra money into there super to deduct it. Lets scra al family tax payments.

      Lets not allow farmers, sport people and artist to split there earning over a period but have them taxed at that amount so if a writer has a good book and make 150,000 income then he should be taxed on that not be allowed to defer it over 5 years.

      Lets cancel all foriegn aid to other countries which will save us billion (nvr mind if Indo whinges about it).

      Lets scrap the HECs fee and go to a US system, payments up front.

      Dividends once paid the Dividend tax should not be offset.

      Lets get rid of the $750 low income rebate.

      All people pay taxed no matter how old. Lets tax those 15 yrs who dont pay tax on thier earnings.

      Lets scrap income splitting and tax help to those who look after ppl with disabilities.

      Shall I go on Condor.

    • John says:

      02:24pm | 07/05/11

      Condor you must be a power guzler as mine has never toped 120 per quater.

    • Eddie says:

      02:31pm | 07/05/11

      @ Condor

      Gosh, Condor where have you read that Rosie thinks she is entitled to live a good life at the behest of the taxpayers.

      Rosie have fought for those that have worked hard and is deserving of any kind of welfare they may feel entitled to because they paid their taxes. Nothing is wrong with that.

      Rosie is the envy of the likes of you. With her lifestyle she couldn’t survive on the miserable pension. “Generic minimal qualification” do you know what that means? It is definitely not Rosie from the comments she makes here on Punch. Rosie and her husband of many years live in an old house which she has renovated to its former glory in what I consider to be an expensive surburb. I know this because I have an old house but can’t afford to fix it just yet and remember reading about it here on Punch.

      Rosie have repeatedly mentioned here that her and her husband are self reitirees. That means they do very well without government aid and are still paying taxes. Dumbo, never once has she complained about doing it tough it is more of her blaming the Gillard Labor governent for making it tough for the average hard working Australians. Need I go on?

      Please don’t go ostracizing people without knowing the facts about that person.

    • Mark says:

      03:06pm | 07/05/11

      @ Condor

      “Eddie” seems to know an awful lot about “Rosie”, doesn’t he ? Their identical poor grammar and syntax is just a coincidence, of course.

    • Mumofmany says:

      03:13pm | 07/05/11

      $1000 a month on electricity!!! We are a family of 8 and pay $150 a month, and that is with the washing machine and dryer being used at least once every day! How can one household use that much power?

    • Mumofmany says:

      03:17pm | 07/05/11

      Apologies, I see that it was $1000 per quarter, not per month, but that still seems like a huge amount given it is double what our very large family pays.

    • Rosie says:

      05:03pm | 07/05/11

      Thanks Eddie, we are thinking of giving some of our money to our children,  spend the rest so we are entitled to go on the pension.

      Isn’t it funny how some people because they have nothing to add to the debate will resort to nit - picking? Don’t worry it is the first time someone has picked on my grammar. Usually, they think I have changed my name!

    • Condor says:

      05:12pm | 07/05/11

      John: your point is as nonsensical as your grammar is poor. I didn’t say anything about the tax system but since you brought it up lets scrap all middle-class welfare and put the money into infrastructure, schools and hospitals.

      Eddie: Rosie’s comment at 10:44am says that we “deserve” holidays, house affordability and “extras”. That’s the very definition of entitlement mentality. You EARN those things by managing your money and lifestyle appropriately (and supporting government policies that lead to those things, for example, allowing governments to open up more land and increase urban density to combat housing affordability).

    • Mark says:

      05:38pm | 07/05/11

      @ Rosie / Eddie

      The point, as even you should understand, is not that your grammar is poor; it’s that your poor grammar and syntax are identical to “Eddie’s”.

      It doesn’t get much sadder than having to make someone up to agree with you.

    • Eddie says:

      08:17pm | 07/05/11

      @ Mark

      “It doesn’t get much sadder than having to make someone up to agree with you.”

      Even more sadder when you sit at home observing and nit-picking without adding to the debate. Sadder still when you don’t add to the debate because you are trying to figure out the blogger’s identity.

      You really need to go out and get a life. By the way I am Edwina, my family call me Eddie.

    • Eccles says:

      08:27pm | 07/05/11

      A careful Czech by you would have revealed the origin of Skoda’s.

    • Mark says:

      08:38pm | 07/05/11

      @ Rosie / Eddie

      Nobody is trying to to figure out your identity. You’ve already repeatedly made that more than obvious.

      And by “go out and get a life”, do you mean not posting comments on The Punch, or making someone up who pretends to agree with me?

    • Edwina for Aunty Rosie says:

      09:25pm | 07/05/11

      Mark

      Don’t you think it is Punch’s job to identify the bloggers if they wish to do so. No, go out and get a life means add to the debate, like how we can all become self retirees like Rosie. It sure will take the burden off the taxpayers. Nighty nighty Marky - going to the Pub with friends for a few drinks!

      If you are not the Mark Kenny, it is too bad I can’t invite you out to meet Aunty Rosie. Aunty Rosie lives in a big lovely house at Walkerville, SA.

    • Mark says:

      12:13am | 08/05/11

      @ Rosie / Eddie

      Sounds like you might have already had a few too many.

    • CiscoKid says:

      07:35am | 08/05/11

      Maybe Julia could give up drinking Dom Perignon at $250 a bottle might help put some money back in the kitty.

    • Rosie says:

      11:34am | 08/05/11

      Mark

      What did want you me to say? I would have written what Eddie had written to explain to Condor that what he said about me was not correct. I most certainly wouldn’t be trying to take the narcissistic approach in an effort to find bloggers to agree with me. There was nothing to agree to. If it will make you happy, we are self retirees and live in Walkerville, Adelaide, in a lovely big 120 year old home which we have renovated back to its former glory. We own a holiday house, a couple of investment properties and play golf 3 - 4 times a week. We are in the position we are in today because we made it our business to do so. Even you, would understand that if the over non working 55s were self retirees like us we wouldn’t have people needing the pension. Our children will be in the same boat as they like the example we have set for them. By the time they retire they would have their homes paid for. It is a proud legacy to leave behind.

      Why is it so important to you to identify those of us that make comments on a blogsite? What should matter are the written articles and comments made and the choice to add to the debate if you wish.

      PS I watched Andrew Bolt’s first show this morning on Ch 10. It was good, had Latham as a guest and he didn’t behave badly. I think if he keeps behaving himself he will be liked again by the Laborites that once were prepared to have him as our PM. Bolt’s show was 1/2 an hour, just enough to get his guests to say what they have to say without the added spin.

      Happy Mother’s Day to all the Mums!

    • Mark says:

      04:36pm | 08/05/11

      @ Rosie / Eddie

      It doesn’t get much sadder than having to make someone up to agree with you.

    • Eddie says:

      07:04pm | 08/05/11

      Marky Marky

      Give it away, friends and I were pissing you off for being abnoxious!

      Too bad you are not the real Mark Kenny, could have invited you to meet us at the Sussex Hotel, in Walkerville.

      Bye bye Marky Marky in the Darky about Eddie Baby!

    • Daniel says:

      07:25pm | 08/05/11

      Mark are you a robot? Please change your voice box.

    • Mark says:

      10:34pm | 08/05/11

      @ Rosie / Eddie

      You can stop digging now.

    • Johnny says:

      07:58am | 09/05/11

      WTF Mark! How about contributing to the article. Your repetition has become monotonous. Go out with the dog and dig in the garden.

    • Rosie says:

      10:44am | 07/05/11

      What!  -  Tthe treasurer has aped Tony Abbott in the slogan department? At least Tony Abbott had a 3 word slogan “stop the boats” which we understood to be part of his policy. Swan has gone for a 4 letter word, “jobs” repeated as many times as you want!

      If unemployment sits at just 4.9 per cent and slated to drop to 4.5 per cent in the next two years as 500,000 new jobs are added to the labour force why jobs jobs jobs jobs?????? The rivers of gold are in full flood why jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs?????????

      We want to hear some revelation on how these jobs can give us the opportunties that if we are prepared to work hard for , not rob us of our savings, cheat us of a holiday. house affordability and extras that we deserve for working hard.

      Mothers want to know how they children can be taken care off while they go back to work.

      How about the Labor Govt do what Labor Govts are known for instead of just trying to remain in power by pleasing the Greens and the Independents?????

    • SydSteve says:

      02:46pm | 07/05/11

      “Stop the boats” isn’t a policy slogan. It’s a fear mongering campaign designed to target xenophobes who think that ever thing wrong with our country can be blamed on some invisible minority group. Ironically it’s usually the plebeians sitting at home who are unemployed complaining that our jobs are being stolen.

    • Eddie says:

      03:37pm | 07/05/11

      Plebeians - commoners sitting at home complaining that jobs are being stolen.

      If you mean Rosie, SydSteve, Rosie doesn’t care about jobs being stolen, she shouldn’t really care about anything that governments do. Rosie is self sufficient and doesn’t need you, me, China or Julia Gillard to live the lifestyle she desires. If all Australians said they couldn’t survive on the miserable pension and did something about it like Rosie, we wouldn’t be paying so much income tax to care for our pensioners.

    • Ben81 says:

      04:16pm | 07/05/11

      But that’s exactly the outcome we need SydSteve - stopping the boats and once again ending people smuggling in our region.  We’ll again have no kids being put on leaky boats and once again close down detention centres instead of opening them.  It’s not the Liberal party who put us back at square one, why beat around the bush?
      People worrying about minority groups and jobs being ‘taken’ will be disappointed given that it’s not about taking in one single less refugee.

    • Mark says:

      05:11pm | 07/05/11

      @ “Eddie”

      Thanks for that clarification of “Rosie’s” opinion, ahem, “Eddie”.

    • DavidK says:

      05:54pm | 07/05/11

      @ Rosie

      I reckon Mark is a female, stalking you! Only females are that persistent!

    • acotrel says:

      07:17am | 12/05/11

      @Rosie
      ‘At least Tony Abbott had a 3 word slogan “stop the boats” which we understood to be part of his policy.’

      I just love the way you assume Abbot has a policy!  Do you also believe in fairies?

    • Adam says:

      10:46am | 07/05/11

      “Such is the ingrained culture of complaint that the feeling of an ever tightening cost of living squeeze, is unchallengable - even with empirical facts”

      I think that the culture of complaint is ingrained primarily because if you are not complaining then you are subsidising those complaining. Better to join the whinging masses early and cry poor, rather than claim to be ok or well off then have the shit taxed out of you until you are one them.

    • michael j says:

      11:47am | 07/05/11

      @ADAM-Yes you are totality rite,1/3 of Australian’s are living below the poverty line now,, lots of Australian’s will be joining us after this budget and its carbone tax many more will join us,,lots of the peoples below the poverty line will be thrown into abject poverty which is of course different ,,one being still able to barely be keep a roof over their head ,pay for service’s
      and can still manage to afford food a few times a week,,of course the abject’s lose their house buying or renting,most of their processions,and beg for food at the local mission,church,charity,
      that is probably the reason both parties are going to hit welfare so hard
      they know many pensioners can’t fight back as they are already week from lack of food , and the others if they do steal food or flat-screens for their family’s will be put in a state controlled jail’s and therefore be off the federal government’s books,,,
      From what you have said i suppose you think the uprising in the mid east over food prices should have been put down more quickly,,,
      Bloody whingers just get rid of them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • nossy says:

      12:24pm | 07/05/11

      @michael j - ohh thats beautiful Michael - nossy had tears running down his cheeks at the end of that piece - “Pensioners stealing flat screens ” - ohh Michael thats rich - geez they must be hard to get past the cashier huh ?  hahaahahah 12 out of 10 for that piece Michael !

    • michael j says:

      01:17pm | 07/05/11

      @nossy-thanks but can’t take all the credit ,,actually met all the diesel fitters and electricians on welfare that can’t get non existent jobs in foreign owned mines,because they want to bring in their own workers at $11.50 per hour,,
      But not to under-estimate Pensioners ,i know a few who racked up pretty fair body counts while serving overseas defending peoples rights to have food,n,yes even flat-screens,,,,,,,,ps ,if you have a 42 inch you are throwen out to make room for a 60 inch,,you can throw it my way ,i don’t even have a TV,,,,,,,,

    • Richard says:

      02:43pm | 07/05/11

      michael j says: 11:47am | 07/05/11

      “1/3 of Australian’s are living below the poverty line now”

      Now, that is funny. Sad, but funny.

    • michael j says:

      06:13pm | 07/05/11

      @Richhead—so glad you can find it amusing,the figure comes from the various charities where these peoples go to beg food and power payments
      so you won’t see it in a morgan poll ,,do you also find it funny that 1 person dies of starvation every 3 1/2 seconds on this planet?
      Funny yeah mate i think its not funny that this will be the case in Australia in a few years?  Sad but funny that people live below the poverty line in one of the wealthiest country’s on the planet,,arr well,,
      things may even out ,but i find you a bit odd ritchie,,

    • Richard says:

      08:25pm | 07/05/11

      @ michael

      No. That figure comes from your fevered imagination.

      Nothing you say has any credibility when you just make stuff up.

    • michael j says:

      08:54pm | 07/05/11

      @michael-you dolt include figures,,
      wall street journal jan 2010
      poverty line in Australia =@ or $ 32,000 pa,, of the midum wage $80,000 pa,,,      making the poverty line $615 p/week b/fore tax,,
      current rate for pensioners is $310 single for a couple$580 ?
      minim wage $15 per hour x 40 hr = $ 600 a week before tax
      juniour wages range from $8 ph up to min wage at 21
      Living below the POVERTY LINE does not mean living in a dirt hut ,
      It means a lot of people are starting to hurt real bad and with inflation on services,n,fuel running at unknown cost ?mine seem to be going up % pa ,,ya starting to see the break-down,,,add all those people up and
      if ya come up with a figure less than 1/3 of Australian’‘s please let me know ,,although i would point out things are worse than the old figures i have used but they will do for me to back up the charitable organizations where i first heard them quoted,yes ricky it is SAD and about to get very much worse,,,,,,,,Carbon coming TAX the Rich forget the poor,,,,,,,,

    • Ben81 says:

      12:00pm | 07/05/11

      “People simply refuse to accept that a steadily rising tide of welfare over the last decade, tax cuts every year for the last 8 years, and pay rises, along with a number of necessities and discretionary items becoming cheaper, have freed up some cash.”

      Well the thing is Laurie that I can easily look at a pay slip from 5 years ago and my utility bills and see that i’m not even remotely close to being as better off as the headlines and stories seem to imply, and because I haven’t knocked anyone up the government isn’t interested in sending a single scrap of welfare my way.  Is electricity counted in your list of necessities?

      So yes, I simply refuse to accept that I have a noticable amount of cash freed up now compared to 5 years ago, if that’s ok with you.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:19pm | 07/05/11

      Sorry I mean Mark not Laurie

    • John says:

      02:38pm | 07/05/11

      Ben81 based on the informaton that is coming out we are in for a very rocky ride. I can see alot of what lead to the US financial crisis emerging in Australia. The US financial crisis inturn led to the GFC occured when the cost of living started to out strip the earnings of ppl. The first lot of ppl to falter were those who had got thier loan on high interest low/No doc loan, other words the sub prime market. Following this more and more ppl started to defualt and inturn spending reduced as ppl struggled to pay thier mortgages. As the spending dried up more ppl lost jobs inturn less people spent and well we know the end result.

      If ppl do not believe we have a problem just refer to the article on news.com.au which states that mortgage repossions hace increased. Also Australia itself has a high level of loans which were taken out based on low/no doc loans so inturn our own sub prime market.

      Already we have seen job losses in the form of Border and A&R going down due to low growth sales. Many retailers are also seeing reduction in spending by comsumers. What do you think will happen if these business continue having no sales growth. More job losses as they struggle to stay alive.

      In a recent survey it was found most Australians are choosing to save money rather then spend it.

      Australian Financial Crisis here we come.

    • Mattb says:

      07:28pm | 07/05/11

      Ben81
      “Well the thing is Laurie that I can easily look at a pay slip from 5 years ago and my utility bills and see that i’m not even remotely close to being as better off as the headlines and stories seem to imply, and because I haven’t knocked anyone up the government isn’t interested in sending a single scrap of welfare my way.”

      So what your are saying ben, is that your a single, employed, young Aussie bloke or an Aussie bloke that has a girlfriend/boyfriend (whatever takes your fancy) that doesn’t have any children and as such the government doesn’t provide you with any welfare assistance. Awww, boo-hoo. Well I’ve got news for you mate and it’s all bad, successive labour and liberal governments in recent times have both had nothing in their budgets in the form of welfare for you and I can’t see either of em changing that anytime soon.

       But keep up your whinging buddy, it’s easier to whinge than go get yourself a better paying job, easier to whinge about your electricity bill than turn off your appliances at the wall to save electricity. Easier to blame everyone else but yourself for your financial state of affairs. Yep, definitely sounds like your one of the people that this statement-

      “Such is the ingrained culture of complaint that the feeling of an ever tightening cost of living squeeze, is unchallengable - even with empirical facts.”

      was referring too, an ‘ingrained complainer’!. 

      And, before you ask, I’m an employed, Aussie bloke with no kids that receives not one red cent of welfare. And I’ve gotta tell you, I’m a hell of alot better off now than I was 5years ago because I got myself a better paying job and have made an effort (with some help from my girlfriend of now three years who’s an accountant) to spend my money a bit more wisely, and reduce my wasteful ways when it came to using electricity, petrol, water etc.

      But you just keep up ya whinging, if you find that that’s easier, ya parrot…..

    • Ben81 says:

      08:19pm | 07/05/11

      Thanks for going to the effort with your misplaced lecture Mattb, but I wasn’t complaining and I certainly don’t expect any welfare.  I was just pointing out that it hasn’t been a factor for me over the past 5 years and is a valid reason why the study doesn’t reflect reality for people like me.

      Same goes for my job and way I live, I’m pretty happy with all of that and am doing ok, about the same as I was 5 years ago.
      All I did was reply to what’s pretty much “you now have more money than 5 years ago and if you deny this you’re a liar” with “well no, not really”.
      Calm down buddy.

    • michael j says:

      11:15pm | 07/05/11

      @Ben81—good for you ben,n,tell them to read the comment above yours,,
      the only people with freed cash,is the USA they just print more when they need it,,
      @John—been trying to tell my mates the same thing for over two years,,
      some of them really believed that putting insulation in their saved the country from GFC and the flat-screen they bought with the $800 was a gift from labour party ,,
      That countries in Europe are still going broke from the GFC doesn’t fare well for many Australian’s,,,
      That the GFC was caused by unrestrained Greed of a CAPITALIST system gone a bit mad is not good for the Planet in general ,,the USA
      cannot keep printing money like it’s a monopoly game,,i think they may try to charge countries for being the World ‘s Policemen,,with payment due in goods or services,,OIL or Cheaper labour,than China has,,
      Some people scoff at this type of thing happening,,but we Humans
      are not real smart at times,it might take a few years but it will happen,,,
      9,000,000,people will starve to death this year,
      4 billion in 2048 estimated ,,system is failing badly,,,
      But 1 thing is for sure,,Mr Swan is going to dish out some pain to the people who can least afford it,,,,,

    • Watcher says:

      12:08pm | 07/05/11

      From what I have seen this budget is all about giving our money away to some.. buying votes and on the other hand penalizing the poor. Pensioners and the unemployed and the disabled are on the losing end, their lives are already a misery. These groups and the smokers and the people who drink Alco pops, have no chance of organizing rallies to protest, its cowardly of the Government. But they will protest next election..I think we all are aware Labor is gone. Money wasted on pink batts and pink batt repairs, and lives lost, money wasted on our burnt down detention centers, money wasted on school halls when some of these schools not only did not need them..they did not want them. We pay for all of this with our taxes, all you can see is money flushed down the toilet while the poor will suffer.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:18pm | 07/05/11

      I think even the ones getting something from this budget know they will get screwed next time round, it is only a matter of time. If Juliar and friends can back stab Rudd and lie about the carbon tax, can we really trust her and this government? She isn’t looking out for us, she wants to stay in power, please the Independents and the Greens and give them the power to get their policies through so that she can collect that nice, undeserved pension really soon.

      The government is currently in a mess. Health looks like a dog’s breakfast, WTF is going on and who is in charge? Refugee with the ‘new’ PNG solution looks like a sinking ship and a costly exercise, details please! Carbon tax details still up in the air. Zero policy success since ‘07.

      The ALP has lost its way and hung itself from a self inflicted gunshot wound thanks to the hopeless. pointless and immoral Juliar Gilltard!

    • John A Neve says:

      04:20pm | 07/05/11

      AtM,

      Reading your posts is much like the lapping of the waves, but sadly no where near as soothing.
      One can only hope that when get RSI as a result, you don’t claim workers comp.

    • Againstt the Man says:

      04:53pm | 07/05/11

      John the Coward is back. But like his Master Miss Gilltard he is full of crap and is afraid to be challenged.

      Come on boy, give me the huge list of significant Gilltard achievements?

      I’ll bet the Coward will NOT give me a list but instead call me names or shy away from the challenge or dismiss it cause he has NO answers.

      Watch and see guys, it is entertaining watching John A Nervous make a fool of himself.

      ps: I win again John smile

    • MarK says:

      06:02pm | 07/05/11

      Reading Johns posts reminds me of the lapping of a dog. With its head between its hind legs.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:50am | 08/05/11

      AtM,

      You would, without any doubt have to be the most repetitous blogger on this site. Over and over again you post the same old crap, I am beginning to think you get your newspapers out of some ones gabbage bin, as what you post is always weeks old. Or could it be that it takes you weeks to read a paper?

      Come AtM, how about something new, we are all waiting, or at least I am.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:53am | 08/05/11

      MarK,

      I take it you speak from experience? Tell us, do you enjoy the f;avour?
      After all, you are AtM’s lapdog aren’t you?

    • MarK says:

      03:01pm | 08/05/11

      Awww John you are trying hard but are punching out of your weight division mate.

      Just remind me since you are a big proponent of state sanctioned murder where do “laws” come form?

      Take your time and use your words John

    • simon says:

      03:09pm | 08/05/11

      Cmon John A Neve, they must be paying you well for you to maintain your loyalty. The fact is even rusted right through Labor voters are jumping ship, even these people can see how wrong this pathetic Gillard/Brown government is. Give it up mate, your fighting a battle you will lose, public perception has shifted and most people now agree with TA and the Coalition policies. The carbon tax is the most selfish and arrogant political decision I have ever seen, and the NBN is the most dumb and visionless political decision I have ever seen!!

    • John A Neve says:

      04:13pm | 08/05/11

      MarK,
      I have already responded to you, but you just slid off and hid. Ony one who cares cares go back and read your posts for themselves.
      Sadly Mark, you lack bottle.

    • John A Neve says:

      04:20pm | 08/05/11

      Simon,
      Good arvo to you, so you are another of AtM’s lapdogs or is that lemmings?
      You seem to know more about Labor voters than I do. As to ” rusted” that sounds like AtM’s comments.
      Seeing as you know so much about policy, give us a few pointers Simon, we all need a good laugh.

    • MarK says:

      06:12pm | 08/05/11

      No John you didn’t answer.

      Is it because you realised you are wrong? Or is it because you lack the wit to think of a response?

      Personally I am betting on column B.

      Feel free to tell us about “the law” and stuff.

      Why are you so lacking in answers? You do understands the questions don’t you? I can use smaller words if it will help. Just yell out.

      It is amazing how I am always accused of hiding when i am on here everyday and dealing with people that refuse to answer the most basic questions. Sort of sad actually.

      Still that’s the internet for ya.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:49pm | 08/05/11

      MarK,
      The only sad thing on this site is youself. Just scroll back, as I have suggested and you’ll find you never answer.
      Still licking your lips are you, tell us how does AtM taste?

    • Against the Man says:

      09:15pm | 08/05/11

      Bravo John A, your brilliant answer has all left us laughing at YOU!

      A predictable loser who needs to go home to mummy, that everyone is John A the coward. All talk, no debating skills and lacks insight to the fact he is making a constant arse of himself!

      Too sweet indeed smile

    • John A Neve says:

      06:10am | 09/05/11

      AtM,
      The reason you laugh a lot, is the fact you are limited in what you have to say. I think you’d vote for who ever had the biggest licker, so try MarK, you and he have a lot in common.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:59pm | 07/05/11

      “Added to that positive story is respectable economic growth with excellent medium term prospects, low levels of public sector debt *compared to similar economies*, a very strong dollar making many goods cheaper and thus tempering inflation, and lower interest rates than historically have been tolerable - at 4.75 per cent, the cash rate is a full 300 basis points below its level through most of 2008 for example.”

      Note the weaselword in this passage, guys.  Particularly the part I put asterisks around.  “Compared to similar economies” is a contradiction in terms in this case.

      By definition, if your debt to GDP ratio is running close to 100% there really is no comparison between yours and that of a country like Australia.  There also is no comparison between us and, say, America, or really any other first world nation because Australia is one of the few first world economies proclaiming that all its wealth comes from primary exports and apparently having no problem about this situation.

      As for the “very strong dollar tempering inflation”—sounds nice, doesn’t it? Pity it’s basically telling a half-truth so loud it obscures the part that’s a lie.  Inflation’s not the end-all or be-all, nor even the main problem.  The “very strong dollar” is hammering our export industries or indeed any Australian-based industry which has a dollar or two offshore; go read the financial papers of any reputable paper for confirmation on that.

      Make no mistake: this will come back to bite all of us on the arse, and probably a lot sooner than most people think.  People dumb enough to proclaim wealth on the back of a single overvalued market sector deserve to have their money taken off them when that sector collapses, as resources sectors have done, again and again.  When are halfwits going to realise that just because you can get 10% off your fully imported plasma TV that it doesn’t mean your dollar is intrinsically any more valuable?

      Blame on both sides here, because if you read your economic history of Australia, we keep making the same mistake again and again.  Menzies rode on the sheep’s back, as did all the rest up until, IMHO, Hawke and Keating.

      Don’t confuse that as support for Labor.  It is a demonstrable truth that unions hate export industries, because export industries have to compete with overseas markets, and unions continually demand wage increases and pushed protectionism until well after the concept was dead in the water.  I regard Hawke and Keating as probably misplaced within their own party.

    • Debbie says:

      02:20pm | 07/05/11

      Unemployment @ 4.9 % ... come on.  600,000 classed as unemployed, another 700,000 on disability pensions, and Julia herself admits that over an above this there are another 2 million hidden unemployed. Total looks like 3.3 million to me. What a bloody disgrace and we have many out there calling this “full employment” and wanting to bring in more overseas workers.

    • Richard says:

      02:27pm | 07/05/11

      “Such is the ingrained culture of complaint that the feeling of an ever tightening cost of living squeeze, is unchallengable - even with empirical facts.

      Yet the response of readers via News Ltd websites was overwhelmingly hostile…”

      No surprises there, then.

      Given the economy which Australia currently enjoys, anyone who can’t find a job is either unemployable, or just not trying.

    • Debbie says:

      03:39pm | 07/05/11

      Or over 50 !

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      03:13pm | 07/05/11

      Meh, This budget will do what all budgets under Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Abbott in 2013 have done and will do. Screw the singles and childless couples in favor of the family and middle class welfare. Fully resigned to being a second class citizen in this stuffed up country…..

    • Wickerman says:

      07:42am | 08/05/11

      Totally agree. Where are our explicit benefits?

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      10:55am | 08/05/11

      Don’t want anything from the government, just want the government to stop taxing singles and childless couples heavily to pay for all the crap that the government promises everyone. Even pensioners are getting a new digital set top box to convert analog to digital TV. (I think pensioners might have bigger financial problems than an obsolete TV.) What do singles and childless couples get? A new flood levy and a snow job from the government. The Gillard government can kiss my ass…..

    • Mumofmany says:

      03:27pm | 07/05/11

      Our family is worse off than we were two years ago, but definitely ahead of where we were 5 years ago. And we are certainly way ahead of where my parents were at an equivalent time in their lives. I think sometimes we just need to step back and gain some perspective, and remember that out financial situation will always have peaks and troughs, but for most of us the trend us still usually up. grin

    • Ryan says:

      05:09pm | 07/05/11

      Steelworks jobs, nope, manufacturing jobs, nope, aluminum industry jobs, definitely not. All to be sent offshore by this incompetent government and its carbon tax. Yes that very same carbon tax we weren’t going to have brought to you by these two barefaced liars “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”.
      Worst government in the history of Australia, our grandchildren’s, children will be paying for this dropkick governments incompetence and wasteful spending.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:28pm | 08/05/11

      Ryan,
      All children and grand children have paid for the accesses of their parents, so what’s new?
      As to “liars” nine out of ten pollies are “liars”.
      So tell us Ryan, just what is your point?

    • Darragh Scully says:

      10:40am | 08/05/11

      Yea, Scotland the Brave. People, its been raised before that we are competing with the UK for Jobs. Were not the only ones. The economic position in Scotland is another example of how we get held back by these second raters.

      http://www.scottishindependenceconvention.com/Articles/Independence Booklet.pdf

      More Jobs. More Immigrants. More Boat People. More bullshit Swan.
      They should start Breathalysing Politicians before letting them into public to make statements.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:37pm | 08/05/11

      Darragh,

      Sadly, if any one needs “Breathalysing” it’s you. Have you ever lived in Scotland or England?  Do you know who works where? Any idea what a split would cost Scotland?

      Can I suggest you go back to sleep.

    • Darragh Scully says:

      02:03pm | 09/05/11

      Well going by the recent statistics ‘ie the vote’, the referendum is Highly Likely to succeed. According to the BBC, if a Yes vote wins and presented to Whitehall then they are more or less obligated to negotiate a settlement with Scotland becoming a Soverign State.

      That Data in said Document above presents a host of facts including the same objections that were made to oppose the formation of the Scottish Parliament, the burdon in having to apply to Whitehall to apply for revenue obtained from Scottish Territory, the Historical Bribes scandal in the middle ages that denied Scotland its desired wish to be a Free Scotland etc and so on and so forth.

      And I am sorry to say but given the situation in Libya and the middle east and the above said arguments that are factual I think that your assertion that I am nuts is mere ranting and is akin to Sadam Huisen or the living but soon to be dead Despot, Gadafi or Osama Bin Laden. It wont be the first time in history that English Rule has been rejected and it wont be the last either.

      You sir should have a Breathalyser applied to your keyboard as well as a drug testing device that locks your computer when your smacked and your are Smacked.

    • michael j says:

      07:29pm | 08/05/11

      @Richard-i’ve been reading you comments ,there are good,anytime you need to know how or where my facts/figures are from say so ,,they WILL be backed up,,1 dead every 3 1/5 seconds from starvation,,6/6.30 ch 10 George Negus,,
      about 3/4 weeks ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9,000,000 a year ,,doesn’t matter how many times i say it ,doesn’t sound funny,,,,,,,,,,

 

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