Everyone in Australia knows that books cost a whole lot more than they should.

Try getting Malcolm Lowry's Under the Volcano for $10.16 in Australia.

The absurdity in the debate about whether to make books cheaper is that politicians who will make the final decision – some of whom are beating their chests about our cultural heritage – are voting with their mice and buying books online from cheaper online retailers overseas.

Our website The Punch is surveying the nation’s MPs about their media consumption, including the use of new media, the type of technology they use, and how they buy movies, music and books.

Tellingly, around half of the MPs who have responded so far have told us that they have used sites such as Amazon to buy books.

I don’t blame the politicians for doing it. Most of us do.

But it is a bit rich for members of the Rudd Government to position themselves as defenders of local writers and plucky Aussie publishers when the realities of life in the digital world show the medieval protection racket over book prices is an unenforceable farce anyway.

All consumers need to know is that book prices in Australia are consistently around 10 per cent higher than in the UK and as much as 30 per cent higher than in the US because the parallel importation restrictions determine how our bookshops source their books.

By law, bookshops must buy their stock from local Australian publishers (most of them foreign-owned anyway) unless after 30 days the local publisher shows no interest in publishing the title.

The Productivity Commission is advocating that the laws be scrapped so that bookshops can get their books from the cheapest source, which may well be overseas.

One of the fears is local printing jobs – and it’s here where the bigger retail chains which want the import restrictions scrapped have a human story to deal with, as any loss of printing jobs would be a devastating result.

But these jobs are likely to be protected by the fact that it’s cheaper and quicker for retailers to source locally printed books – and, if anything, it’s the loss of Australian retail jobs as Aussies buy books from ovsreas websites that’s the more urgent concern.

And the culture argument put by authors – and most of all by the publishers, who wield enormous control over the writers and smaller bookstores – is sentimental rubbish which ignores the benefits of freeing up the market.

If books are cheaper people will buy more books. 

Music fans will recall the time not long ago when it had been decreed from on high that every compact disc, new or old, should cost exactly $30.

When the Howard Government relaxed the parallel importation restrictions governing the sale of music in Australia, the local music industry – at the behest of the all-powerful record companies – predicted our cultural world was about to come to a hideous end.

They warned that discounted top 40 music and cheaper back catalogue records would kill local bands. The opposite has happened. The Australian music scene is flourishing as the ARIAs demonstrate every year.

And the downturn in compact disc sales hasn’t been fuelled by cheaper CDs – if anything, the cheapness of CDs has stemmed the drift to sites such as iTunes.

And the rise of iTunes, as with the rise of sites such as Amazon which even our overtly protectionist MPs seem to secretly enjoy, showed that the former restrictions governing music sales made no sense in 20th century. Just as the current book laws which make it harder for people to access stories, opinions and ideas make no sense in the 21st.

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    • crizza says:

      07:57am | 15/09/09

      The whole argument that buying books overseas is cheaper is disingenuous. Aa anyone who’s done it knows, shipping charges take away any discount. The only advantage is for books you can’t find here. And don’t forget to factor in the exchange rate and card charges.

    • jonathan says:

      08:20am | 15/09/09

      Hi Penbo,
      The argument that dropping the parallel importation laws will result in lower book prices is a furphy.  The guy from Dymocks (who you published here a few weeks ago) used the example of New Zealand, saying that their publishing culture is alive and well and bla bla bla.  BUT here’s the kicker:  books are MORE EXPENSIVE in NZ than they are here.  And the NZ publishing industry only survives by putting out those god-awful touristy books with pics of kiwis and lord-of-the-rings scenery.

      Anyone who thinks changing these laws will result in lower priced books is kidding themselves.  The big bookshops (and big-box retailers) are behind the push because they know that their profits will go up.  End of story.

    • Dave Sag says:

      08:25am | 15/09/09

      I am always amazed by how cheap books are in the UK.  These days when I pop over to London I tend to take an extra suitcase with me for the books I just can’t help but buying when I get there.  But when I think about it I do almost the same when I got to Adelaide as I just love Mary Martin Books on Rundle Street and, even if the books there aren’t cheap, the staff there love books and can always recommend something interesting that they know I’ll like.  It’s impossible to walk into that shop and not buy something. I know amazon has a go at such recommendations but its not the same really and it’s pretty easy to browse Amazon and then decide it’s just not worth that extra $30 for shipping.

      iTunes dominates the music sales world now because there is no shipping, albums are cheap and, since Apple nixed the DRM the music is fully transportable, like a CD that never scratches.  eBooks may suit some people, and I am happy to read PDFs and so forth on my screen, but the joy of falling asleep with a book on your chest simply can’t be replicated by a Kindle or iPhone.  Maybe one day eBooks will replace paper books, but not in my lifetime I am willing to bet. Newspapers on the other hand….

    • iAN Derrick says:

      08:29am | 15/09/09

      There is one component that sadly is totally ignored.  Forget about the Amazon “Kindle”, which only concerns Amazon.  There are many, multi-format E-BOOK READERS out there…I have a fantastic, basic BE-BOOK READER…I can obtain my books in seconds, change the font size, etc if I wish, and pay a modest price for the end result.  My e-book reader cost me AUD$399, weight 220 GRAMS, is reflected light, just like a paperback, is E-ink on E-paper…There is no freight charge or download fee….I never need to buy a PRINTED book, ever again…and there are millions of readers like me…My honest advice to any avid book readers is simple…. Go buy an E-BOOK READER .... and please do not give me that crap, I hear all the time..“Oh but I like the smell of real paper when I read.”....Also I would remind you, that the E-Book Reader, will also handle AUDIO BOOKS…So everyone can enjoy the advantage of this technology…Please forget about the price of printed books, and produce and article about the fast growing world of the wonderful, rewarding, e-Book…..Heymae

    • sam says:

      08:36am | 15/09/09

      @ Crizza
      Oh how wrong you are. I just purchased some books from amazon that cost me about $10US ($12 AUD) each and the postage was $20 AUD for the first book and less for the remaining.
      Each of the books here in Australia cost $35. So not only am I making savings, I can browse a bookstore that has many times the selection of even the best Australian bookstore and they are delivered right to my door so I don’t even have to waste time going down to the bookstore.

      With the AU$ getting stronger…now is the time to buy!

    • jonathan says:

      08:41am | 15/09/09

      Hey Ian,
      Personal preference.  I’ve used an e-book reader, and as long as I can still get printed books, I’ll still get printed books.
      Nice evangelism though.

    • Charles says:

      08:44am | 15/09/09

      I work in a Dymocks bookstore, and I can tell you that Under the Volcano is not available in Australia.
      So it would make sense to get it from Amazon.

      However, you would have to add shipping to the $10.16. Say ten bucks for shipping?

      If Dymocks were to order it in, at $14.99US RRP, our current policy is to double that figure and change it to AUD, ie, $30.00AUD. This way we cover the cost of shipping and make the same profit we do on other local books.

      It would appear to be cheaper to order it from Amazon than to order it through Dymocks.

      In Australia, we pay more for a lot of things. Ipods, video games, books, CD’s, etc. This is because we have a small market and we are on the other side of the world. Shipping will always be a factor.

    • Pete says:

      09:02am | 15/09/09

      If you’re buying books from Amazon, try http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/. It offers free shipping worldwide. I used it for the first time last month, books arrived quickly and were much cheaper than buying them locally. I feel a bit dirty buying books from overseas because I like to support local, independent bookstores, but I also resent paying $35 for a paperback that I’ll finish in a weekend.

    • Bella_starkey says:

      09:29am | 15/09/09

      As some one who works in publishing, at a fairly junior level, I know I will lose my job if these changes are made.

      Arguments comparing the music industry to publishing are completely erroneous. Firstly, a CD is a lot cheaper to produce than a book. The initial investment for a first time australian author, with a small print run, with out counting marketing, is close to $30 000. An album can be recorded, mastered and pressed for under $5000.

      The way that publishers can afford to risk this investment in such a limited market is by the revenue gained from rights titles from over seas.

      Huge blockbusters like Harry Potter, Dan Brown and Twilight free up masses of capital for investment in Australian titles which would be completely unviable with out the revenue boost.

      Why should we give up our local protections when the major markets in the US and Europe have their maintained. Why put the local industry at a disadvantage when our tiny market has already done so.

      It isn’t just printing jobs that will be lost if these changes go through (and they will, printing a book in china and shipping it here is infinately cheaper than using local, ethical, environmentally sound local suppliers). Typesetters, designers, proofreaders, editors, pre-press operators, illustrators, photographers etc will all lose out.

      Websites like Amazon have a place because the local market cannot support the long tail model of amazon/barnes and nobel etc. There is nothing wrong with buy a book from amazon, they supply so many things that local retailers cannot rationalise finacially.

      Oh! and seriously, if you think that imported books will be cheaper, next time you fork out $35 for a book see who published it, there’s a good chance it wasn’t an australian publisher, and you are still paying $35.

    • Jimbo Jones says:

      09:34am | 15/09/09

      I started buying books at amazon in 2004, haven’t looked back since.  You can get fantastic bargains from (reputable) second hand sellers.  Whenever I’ve encountered a problem amazon has either refunded me or replaced the book (no further questions asked).  Shipping is NOT a major expense (especially if you buy second hand) and besides, smart shoppers ride the international financial wave, visiting any one of the amazon international sites for bargains (currently UK/US is good but Canada is usually on par with our prices and Germany/France are good for hard to find things - though a little pricey).  Re: the local industry - who cares? Can’t say I buy any Australian literature at all (just doesn’t interest me).  As a customer who has no interest in Australian literature I’ll always be better served by sources like amazon but if book prices in Australia were to drop I would certainly consider buying from bookstores here again.  Sounds like the book industry is going the way of the Australian film industry, down, down, down…

    • Alex says:

      09:39am | 15/09/09

      http://www.booko.com.au/ is an excellent Australian site which allows you to search for books available at stores worldwide (inc Australia). Easiest way to find the best price.

    • Lucy says:

      09:39am | 15/09/09

      Yes, the shipping on Amazon can be expensive, but when the Australian dollar is high, you usually still get a pretty good deal.  I always check the local prices for a book before I buy, and if it’s cheaper here (it rarely is in itself, but the postage helps our local books over the line) then I’ll buy it locally.  However, with a lot of specialist books that I buy, particularly art books, you often see massive differences in prices (if you can buy them locally at all!). I’m not wealthy by any means, however I read a lot; and I’m sorry, I don’t want to artificially prop up a local industry by paying a significantly higher price.  I bought a book the other day on amazon for US$18, yet locally it was $89.95.  Go figure!

    • jonathan says:

      09:56am | 15/09/09

      Bella: very good comment.
      All of you people will still be buying your books from Amazon if these laws change.  Book prices won’t be coming down.  That’s a fact, and anyone who says differently has vested interests.  The big retailers know they have a market for people who shop in bricks-and-mortar stores and they will continue to exploit it for as long as they can.

    • Ian Derrick says:

      10:34am | 15/09/09

      Crizza—Dave—Sam—John—Charles—Pete—Bella-Jimbo -Alex & Lucy

      Seriously…Go and invest in an ...  E-BOOK READER.

      Move into the future good life….When it comes to reading.

    • Chris says:

      10:42am | 15/09/09

      This issue is so much bigger than just books.
      It appears the costs of busines in Australia is overlooked.
      Anyone in business is familiar with this conundrum, Australia cant compete it is as simple as that.
      How can one expect to have cheap books from Australia including GST and expect the person who packed the order to still be paid 15 bucks an hour? Wonder how much Amazon pays its storeman?
      Insurance costs, GST, Super, Payroll tax, commercial rents all add up to alot more in this country than the USA.
      It beggars belief that the cost of GST is imposed on retail goods sold by any Australian business and not goods ordered online from overseas. The UK postal service now impose VAT on all goods ordered overseas online, if Kevin Rudd really doesnt want to throw the fair go out the window he should do the same.
      Buy cheaper online sure but understand this, if you dont support Australian business you are white anting the Australian way of life.  Do you want a lower minimum wage? Do you want the government to collect less revenue from business? If so who pays the short fall?

    • verimaz says:

      10:58am | 15/09/09

      Yes Ian Derrick ebook readers are super - i have used one on my iphone but have encountered a problem with geographic restrictions for certain eBooks. These new restrictions are being imposed on all eBook retailers by certain publishers because of contracts they have in place for distribution in some countries and not others - Australia being one of the countries that i couldn’t buy Kim Stanley Robinsons Green Mars as an ebook in.
      So ebook readers are not the magic solution to this issue…

    • Heléna says:

      11:21am | 15/09/09

      I tend to do bulk purchases from Amazon though the postal charges do make me shudder, but having just discovered booktopia.com.au - I may just change my mind!

      given the reported amount of people purchasing overseas surely there is a business case for books to be cheaper here!

      *scampers off to look up http://www.bookdepository.co.uk*

    • Don Clark says:

      11:23am | 15/09/09

      I use http://www.bookfinder.com as it has the largest reach across new, 2nd hand, Oz and OS systems inc the Amazons, with easy comparison across suppliers,  & across new vs 2nd hand.

      Though its results do appear in BookFinder, I also use the Australian http://www.booksandcollectibles.com.au with its many Oz dealers.

      Where I can’t first buy local to home, I buy online in Oz for preference, after that, the cheapest OS offering inc postage.

      I rarely use Borders ( who pad their prices) and I won’t use E-bay.

      I purchase numerous books overseas.  I am confident that UK book purchases on-line from Oz do *not* attract VAT - though a declaration form may be required of the supplier depending on value.  See eg
      Book dealer conditions http://www.ribabookshops.com/site/termsandconditions.asp
      and UK Parcel Force notes
      http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content2?catId=19300174&mediaId=21700413
      and Royal Mail notes
      http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=400044&mediaId=400362

      Up to last week, *no* UK book purchase of mine has included a VAT element, certainly not one levied by the supplier, let alone by the Mail service (indeed, how could they).

      If there is a direct, reliable, current source for the remark “UK postal service now impose VAT on all goods ordered overseas online”, please post it.

    • Ian Derrick says:

      11:23am | 15/09/09

      Quite true Verimaz : I too have encountered this problem, until via the e-book forums I was advised several ways to circumvent the restriction ... I would suggest you join a great site called , “Mobileread Forums.”....There you may state your problem, for a particular title, and one of the members, will soon provide you with a LEGAL solution….Presto you will download your book. Enjoy.

    • John T of Adelaide says:

      11:36am | 15/09/09

      A cautionary note about The Book Depository. I’m still waiting for a reply to an email I sent them on 28 July seeking clarification of a book order which appeared to be, contrary to my intention, duplicated. I did receive two copies of the same item but, unlike Amazon, TBD’s website doesn’t appear to allow you to examine your order history beyond the most recent order.

      I don’t mind paying a modest premium to a local bookshop for a book which may be obtainable for less (postage included) online,  but I’ve had some bad experiences in this regard eg long delivery times (2+ weeks for special orders of locally published books) and deficient product knowledge (not knowing that both hardback and paperback versions of the same work were available in Australia).  I’d like to know what the local bookselling and publishing industries have done to lift their game to respond to competition from Amazon et al.

    • Kate says:

      12:18pm | 15/09/09

      John T: Actually, the Book Depository’s website does allow you to look at your longer order history. Go to ‘Order history’ then ‘previous orders’.

      I’ve order tens of books from them and have only ever had two books lost in the mail, both of which they sent out another copy of immediately. Their shipping is usually extremely fast, in addition to being free, and their prices are astonishingly cheap.

      Sorry to take the conversation away from books in general.

    • Clover says:

      12:39pm | 15/09/09

      Can I throw in a negative review for the Australian online book store fishpond. Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible service. Terrible! I ordered 4 books as gifts, the website said they were all in stock but all were delayed for weeks and weeks before I got any notification, even though my credit card was charged when I made the order.

      Steer well clear.

      *also scampers off to try bookdepository*

    • Don Clark says:

      12:43pm | 15/09/09

      Humm. Booko has scope, but seems to be picking only “in print” titles and also offers up scads of chaff. Interested to look at new kit, but always go back to BookFinder.

      Libraries, indeed, if purchase non-essential or impossible. On-line catalogues abound, and then there’s Interlibrary Loan, a fine service with modest cost.  See eg
      Libraries Australia - combined on-line Oz libraries catalogues, at
      http://librariesaustralia.nla.gov.au/apps/kss

    • Aaron says:

      12:56pm | 15/09/09

      Cutting down trees for books is ridiculous when there is a viable alternative. Check out ‘Cradle to Cradle’ a book made of completely recycleable plastic down to the parts per million and is even water proof lets stop accepting poor design and get a vision of the future we would like. Not one dictated to us. And then lets use recyclable materials that are tested to the parts per million to be safe from endocrine disrupters, cancer etc…..

    • Nathan says:

      01:43pm | 15/09/09

      I buy most of my books from overseas. At the moment I have 2 books and a cd on order. Total cost (incl shipping from London) $65.
      Two main reasons
      1. Cost. Despite what others say, I have spent thousands on Amazon UK and USA and I believe I have saved thousands by doing so.
      2. Range. The amount of books available for purchase is fantastic. Plus it is all broken down into an idiot proof search system. For instance, I have an interest in space exploration and online dozens of books exisit, in store nothing.

    • Davic Boccabella says:

      02:07pm | 15/09/09

      I use Amazon every so often when I need to purchase a reference book. Often I find that a IT book that has just come out is only available in the US because the Australian distributers will not bring it in until they have X numbers of orders.
      Likewise for some of my favorite SciFi authors - they are published in the USA and only brought over here is the distributers feel that there is a market for them.
      In time I will probally start to use eBooks more - but only when they develop a decent reader for them.  Kindle is nice but still too expensive

    • Megsie says:

      02:19pm | 15/09/09

      Can I recommend http://www.fishpond.com.au
      Not only are they Australian-based with free shipping if you spend over $50, but I wanted a book that was more expensive on their site than on Amazon. I sent them a link, purchased it from them and the difference plus 10% was immediately credited to my account! Shipping is heaps faster than Amazon and I’ve never had an issue with them. Have a second-hand listing as well. Also, they often have several different versions of the book available, so you can decide if it’s worth spending the extra $10 on the Aus version rather than the USA one.

    • pc says:

      02:20pm | 15/09/09

      Gday Penbo, first let me say I like you Penbo - youre a likeable person.  In this case the argument you should be making, instead of fighting reality is. “The contribution to australian culture (whatever it is) by australian authors is less important than Rupert Murdochs money and influence.” Pretty simple isnt it? And as many of the other contributors have mentioned, painfully obvious.

    • bella_starkey says:

      02:44pm | 15/09/09

      So, I had a rant this morning and thought about it and remembered I forgot something.

      Major dedicated book retailers, ie Dymocks, Borders, A&R, quite often charge over the odds. Borders are the worst offenders with often 10% added on to the RRP, pretty unacceptable when they already earn a 50% profit and are able to return unsold merchandise.

      The Red Group, which owns the Angus & Robertson and Borders brands along with some New Zealand retailers currently holds the book distribution industry by the balls. Without parralell import restrictions the access of these retailers along with Dymocks and Coles/Woolworths/etc will significantly damage small book sellers along.

      Essentially by taking Australian Publishers out of the equation you are giving them the option of by-passing Australian Distribution networks and create their own.

      Do you want corporations dictating what is imported into this country? what books our children read in school? because essentially they will have the power to do this.

      These changes wont improve competition, they will centralise productiona dn distrabution

    • DaveA says:

      03:30pm | 15/09/09

      The key to this debate is to strip it down to its two facets and deal with them independently.  There is the issue of priniting and the issue of culture.

      From a printing perspective why should Australian printers be protected from offshore competition when other industries are not?  Its pretty hard to come up with an argument based solely on the actual manufacture of books.  The rest of Australia low value manufacturing is shutting down.  Why should books be any different?

      The cultural arguments are an even greater nonsense.  The argument is that publishers should be able to sting us for more to read the works of successful overseas artists so that they may cross subsidise less successful Australian artists.  No doubt that flies well at the commune but in the real world its just a nonsense proposition.

      There is absolutley no justification for protecting either the book manufacturing industry nor the local writers collective.

    • Jasper says:

      03:38pm | 15/09/09

      I buy books online, not because of any price difference but because of the range, too many non-fiction titles are simply not available in Australia.

      But even if the “reforms” happened it would not affect the cost of the books I buy, if your taste is in pot-boilers, romances & forensic murder mysteries then parrallel importing might lower the cost of your books.

      If your taste is in non-fiction that isn’t the latest fad in Australiana then nothing will change.

      This last point is important to consider because one set of consumers, tertiary students, would benefit more from removing the GST from books than relaxing parallel import laws.

    • Ralph says:

      03:47pm | 15/09/09

      I think all industries should have to stand on their own feet.  Protection only distorts the market and makes it unfair on everyone.  If an industry isn’t sustainable without protection, then it needs to become more efficient in order to compete.  Continuing protection means that the printing and publishing industry does not have an incentive to improve and become more efficient.  Why would they if they could continue with costly and inefficient practices because the government protects it.

      If other countries can produce books more efficiently and cheaply than we can in Australia, we’ll buy them from those countries.  The Australian publishing and printing industry has a choice - pick up their game or go out of business.  But that’s too difficult, so they run kicking and screaming to the government pleading to be protected.

    • pc says:

      03:54pm | 15/09/09

      DaveA, “There is absolutley no justification for protecting either the book manufacturing industry nor the local writers collective.” Well, except DaveA that a number of posts on this strand have done exactly that. The problem with your argument is there is no justification equal to what those posts want protected - Australian culture - whatever that happens to be. Most australians agree.  And on the subject of manufacturing -  which has declined in Australia not because we cant be competitive but because its such an ambitious project. The Japanese and Koreans both built their world beating manufacturing bases through decades of government support.

    • bella_starkey says:

      04:12pm | 15/09/09

      Ralph: The publishing industry isn’t “kicking and screaming to the government pleading to be protected.”
      It is asking that existing protections that EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS (except new zealand and they have suffered greatly as a result) remain in tact.

      This isnt about looking for new protections nor is it trying to preserve a dying industry. Publishing in australia, and world wide is doing quite well. It is about not disadvantaging a succesful industry which employs ten of thousands of people on the world stage, in order to knock a fiver ofF the cost of the latest meave binchy!

      Which by the way never happened in New Zealand anyway when they lifted the restrictions.

      Also! Literature is art. the value placed of a piece of literature should not be measured in how long it takes to read it nor how cheap you can buy a copy on the internet.

    • pc says:

      04:39pm | 15/09/09

      Bella, thankyou for providing the much needed perspective to our american wannabe friends.  So wannabe yanks - the reality youre trying to fight against seems pretty solid. You’d better take the advice I gave you earlier, which is make an arguement. In case you forgot it goes something like this. “I think the current standard (also the world standard) of publishing regulations should be removed because I dont think australian culture is worth it….BECAUSE…..” Good luck

    • Kym Durance says:

      04:43pm | 15/09/09

      I am not fussed - when the dollar is good I buy overseas - and save a poultice even after psotage costs - and if your are not one of those salivating fans of a particualr author or series who simply has to have read whatever it before any other poor punter -  waiting is no big deal - that was actually put to me once by a book shop proprietor - buy local and get it now! Big Deal! ( at least he wrote that in response my declaration some christmasses ago it was better to buy off shore ) - as if by waiting the ink will soemhow vanish from the page! -

      if I dont buy that way I buy the books second hand at something reflecting the books real value

    • Adam Dennis says:

      05:49pm | 15/09/09

      Having watched the music industry desperately try to stop the future in its tracks - and fail - I fear that our local publishing industry will do much the same. With more and more readers being released each year, the e-books movement is on the verge of becoming the mainstream. I am unaware of any effective safeguards against the big chains selling data (i.e. ebooks) that was originally sourced overseas, hence give it just a couple of years and the bottom could fall out of the independent retailer market - unless they start rethinking their businesses now. The parallel import issue has been on the cards for years now, and how have the independents reacted? By waiting to see what happens ... never a good strategy. Given the dramatic difference in production costs for ebooks, I would be advocating that independent publishers get out there and start finding new talent and publishing it on a digital-only basis. Get the edge before you don’t have a business anymore.

    • Matt says:

      09:41pm | 15/09/09

      I’m interested in getting Paul Kelly’s new book ‘March of the Patriots’. Checked the local bookstore who were selling it for $59.95. Sixty bucks for a book? You have got to be kidding me. Oh, and it was the publisher of this book who also stood up at its launch and called for the current protectionist measures to be kept in place. A bit like Tom Keneally who also doesn’t want any changes. His new title is also on the shelves for more than fifty dollars.

    • trigger says:

      03:52am | 16/09/09

      I’m now living abroad but studying online at an Australian universtiy.
      So Im expected to purchase my textbooks from Australian retailers (because they are only printed in Australia) , and get them shipped to Canada. So $120 for the book and add $30 for shipping. Not bloody likely Guv.

      Luckily i can get pirate copies of most of the books on ebay, shipped from India, for about $20-$30 all up. Otherwise i go without, and the author and publisher miss out on a sale. 

      My point is that even the education industry is now operating in a global market-place. The publishing industry which supports it cannot keep up with these ridiculous laws inplace.

    • Wayne Proudfoot says:

      08:15am | 16/09/09

      There seems to be a lot of huffing and puffing regarding this issue and not a lot of fact so lets clarify a few things.

      1. The US, UK and Canada all have PIR’s in place to protect their publishing industry and cultural/interlectual property. Lets see if the’re prepared to remove PIR’s before we drop our pants for them.
      2. The productivity comissions report that recommends the removal of PIR’S states categorically that even if PIR’s were removed there is absolutely no evidence that book prices will come down.
      3. The report goes on to say that in real terms, Australians do not pay more for their books when comapring their spend as a percentage of disposable income.
      4. Australia already has rules in place to ensure consumers not disadvantaged by the current PIR’s, that being the 30/90 rule. This simply means that if an Australian publisher has the right to a book, they must publish and make available an Australian version within 30 days of it being released overseas and it must not be unavailable for a period more than 90 days. If it does not comply with either of these rules, all bets are off and local sellers can source the book from any supplier they wish.
      Through out this entire debate the coalition for cheaper books has distinguished itself by what it omits from its statements, rather than what it actually says. For instance, the CEO of Dymocks was quoted as saying that PIR’s were responsible for the Tim Wintons ‘Breath’ being overpriced here in Australia compared with overseas. He quoted a prices of around AU$15.50 for the book from the Uk as opposed to a price of around AU$25.00 for the same book in Australia. Whe he neglected to mention was that the same book was, and still is, available in BigW for just over AUS16.00. It turns out one of the few places where the book was actually being sold for the quoted AU25.00 was in fact Dymocks themselves. This examle says more about their business model rather than anything to do with PIR’s.
      If we want cheaper books in Australia we should be lobbying the federal government to remove GST from books in Australia. That would bring us in line with the UK and not far behind the US. not a bad place to start.

      P.S Matt. I think your argument falls down because Paul kelly’s book is no cheaper to buy anywhere else than it is in Australia.

    • Ted says:

      01:47pm | 04/10/09

      I think Wayne has forgotten to mention or he may be ignorant of the fact that discount department stores such as Big W, Target etc buy huge quantities at very low prices from publishers and are prepared to sell books at a loss to drive customer traffic into their stores. They don’t offer the service or book knowledge that booksellers do nor do they pay the same high rents.So it is wrong to compare a retailer who sells everything to a small retail store that specialises.  Keep an open mind people!

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      When I did find a way to contact them they were very slow to respond.

      I had real trouble with them after they sent the wrong title.  I had to pay for return postage before they would credit my account.

      Not worth the hassle. Try local online sellers instead, ones who answer the phone when you have a problem.

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