Did you see the news during the week that the Tax Commissioner, the Defence Force chief, the Auditor-General and a couple of other bureaucratic high-fliers are to get pay rises of up to $300,000 a year?

There's a reason this man is smiling. Photo: Ray Strange

The Remuneration Tribunal has decided on the one-off increases to boost their pay packets to a tidy $800,000—in line with what other public service bosses and corporate regulators receive.

Well, hold onto your hat because another salary hike is in the pipeline, this time for federal members of parliament. And given the Tribunal’s apparently generous mood, it’s expected to be big, too.

At the moment, the annual base salary of backbench MPs and senators is just under $140,000.  The expectation is that this could jump to $250,000. Some MPs think there is a chance it will be considerably more.

That will mean whopping increases for Ministers, and the Prime Minister, too. Also, for the first time, shadow ministers are likely to receive payment for their portfolio responsibilities.

And this time, no matter how hostile the public reaction, the government will not be able to stop the rise or cut it back in a populist gesture to appease voters battling to make ends meet.
Previously the Tribunal had only an advisory role.

That meant that, in 2008, the newly elected prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was able to cancel a pay rise for parliamentarians, on the ground that they should set an example in wage restraint.

But the law was amended earlier this year to prevent that happening again. Whatever the Tribunal decides cannot now be tampered with by the pollies. They no longer get any say in setting their own pay.

This follows a report from a committee headed by former senior public servant Barbara Belcher arguing that parliamentary salary determinations “should be implemented without the intrusion of politics”.
The committee also concluded that the Remuneration Tribunal should go back to basics, taking a fresh look at parliamentary salaries following a proper work value assessment.

In light of all the recent bickering and bitterness, Australians could be forgiven for thinking that Labor and the coalition never agree on anything. But they agree on the pay issue.

Introducing legislation to implement the Belcher report’s central recommendations back in March, Special Minister of State Gary Gray said: “The current situation has resulted in outcomes on parliamentarians’ salaries being determined by political considerations, to the detriment of considered and informed decision-making on appropriate remuneration.”

Former Howard Government minister Bronwyn Bishop, enthusiastically backing the bill on behalf of the coalition, told the House: “I have recollections of situations where you could end up as a minister and the secretary of your department was being paid an enormous amount more than you—yet your head was on the line every day.”

The legislation sailed through both Houses with overwhelming bipartisan support.

If you’re wondering why MPs are so happy to rely totally on the Remuneration Tribunal to set their pay, you need only look at its annual report from a couple of years ago.

“There is plenty of evidence to suggest that parliamentarians, especially ministers, are not paid appropriately for the work and responsibilities of office,” it said. “The continuing difficulty for parliamentarians is that the public, reinforced by the media, tends to be sceptical about any proposals for improvement.”

The Tribunal added: “It is evident clearly that, notwithstanding modest annual salary adjustments, the long-term trend has seen a reduction in overall benefits. At the same time, the responsibilities and expectations of government and of individual members and ministers have undoubtedly increased.”

With a decision on new parliamentary pay levels likely within six months, it is small wonder there is a buzz of anticipation around Parliament House.

Because governments have been gunshy about raising parliamentary salaries, MPs have been recompensed to some extent in other ways—the provision of taxpayer-funded overseas study tours, for example.

The Tribunal will probably roll the cost of such perks into the base salary figure. The electorate allowance MPs receive may also be reclassified as salary.

But the work value assessment will be the key factor in determining how much extra MPs get in their pockets.

There has not been a proper examination of the work and responsibilities of parliamentarians, or an assessment of what it is worth, for something like 40 years.

But the Remuneration Tribunal has been gathering information for the best part of a decade. Since the Belcher report it has hired consultants and stepped up the investigation.

The Tribunal is starting virtually from scratch. “There is no job description, no duty statement,” the Belcher committee said.

It conceded that, despite MPs facing a demanding level of work, community activity and disruption to private life, “the Australian public has a traditionally distrustful attitude towards its representatives.”

The Tribunal itself has said it is unlikely a parliamentarian will resign because of low pay. But it argued: “It may be the case that, over time, fewer citizens will seek to serve in elected office, or that diversity in representation will diminish.

“Individual circumstances may cause some elected representatives to seek means to augment their present incomes, or their incomes in retirement, with consequent distraction from their principal elected responsibilities.”

The Tribunal obviously wants to give MPs a hefty rise, and the views of a public that holds politicians in low esteem will no longer be an impediment.

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    • Super D says:

      06:34am | 01/10/11

      I’m all for higher remuneration for our pollies though not for the current crop.  Parliamentary salaries for the next term should be set when an election is called.  This could focus the minds of voters to look at candidates and say “Is this person worth $250k/year?”

      Though at least the House of reps face an electoral contest.  No doubt the Mark Arbib’s of the senate will get a nice new deal too despite having a level of job security that unionised workers only dream of.

    • Dissident says:

      01:00pm | 01/10/11

      I hear that, Super D, given the job description (whether they meet the standards is another debate) they deserve greater remuneration. Let’s face it, if some knob whose only saleable commodity is his capacity to sleep without swallowing his tongue and choking to death can make $150,000 working on the mines, then surely elected representatives deserve $250,000?

      And agreed on the current mob. We have some absolute no hopers in the parliament who couldn’t get a job in private enterprise (except said non-tongue swallowing imbecile’s jobs!). A few exceptions aside, they don’t really deserve the bigger salary.

      Mind you, I expect that the higher salary might bring in a few more capable candidates so hopefully some of the current terrible crop will get usurped in pre-selection.

    • acotrel says:

      06:41am | 02/10/11

      The job might now attract some decent applicants with a genuine work ethic ? And we might lose some of those idiots who always resort to poisonous rhetoric ra ther than being constructive ?

    • Ben says:

      03:28pm | 02/10/11

      @acotrel

      Couldn’t agree more. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Give them all a pay rise; especially the PM.

    • nihonin says:

      06:39am | 01/10/11

      ‘Previously the Tribunal had only an advisory role.

      That meant that, in 2008, the newly elected prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was able to cancel a pay rise for parliamentarians, on the ground that they should set an example in wage restraint’.

      Good on Kev, pretty much the only thing he got right.

      ‘But the law was amended earlier this year to prevent that happening again. Whatever the Tribunal decides cannot now be tampered with by the pollies. They no longer get any say in setting their own pay.’ 

      So I’m taking this change to the law, is one of the 150 pieces of legislation the government has passed that persephone keeps harping on about.  My heart pumps purple pee for our poor hard done pollies, knowing that they can no longer say NO to a pay increase after the law was changed by them.

      ‘Former Howard Government minister Bronwyn Bishop, enthusiastically backing the bill on behalf of the coalition’. 

      So throwing in Bronwyn Bishop’s name, somehow justifies the amendments to the law made by the Labor government?  This is a superfluous comment at best, Laurie.

    • gobsmack says:

      07:46am | 01/10/11

      “The legislation sailed through both Houses with overwhelming bipartisan support.”

    • nihonin says:

      08:30am | 01/10/11

      Good point gobsmack, but still only the government can say yes or no in the House or Reps where it is first tabled, before passing it onto the Senate.  The members in government, could have finally said NO to a piece of their own legislation, themselves.  Not sticking up for the Liberals here, they’re all vultures preying on the tax payers as far as I’m concerned.

    • nihonin says:

      09:15am | 01/10/11

      This must have been why members of the ADF were denied a pay increase this year, to cover the cost of increases in politician pay rises.

      Greedy, selfish, hedonistic parasites….......all of them.

    • thatmosis says:

      06:48am | 01/10/11

      What a message that sends, stuff up the country, waste billions of tax payers dollars, lose lives, homes and businesses and we will reward you with a substantial pay rise.WTF. These people should take a pay cut until they actually do the job they were almost voted in for. Now every union will want bigger pay packets for all workers without any productivity rises. What a complete and utter farce this is.

    • BK says:

      06:59am | 01/10/11

      I want politicians who think $130 000 per year is more than enough money for anyone.

    • Nathan says:

      07:13am | 01/10/11

      Typical bloody public servants over valuing their input. If you don’t like the pay find another job we all know politicians do it for the power anyway

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:15am | 01/10/11

      I get the point, Laurie, but I’ve said for many years that they don’t get paid anywhere near enough.

      Of course, I’ve also said that they should be personally liable for the outcomes of their departments.

      After all, if I cocked up as monumentally as a lot of these guys do, I would be summarily dismissed (as I damn well should).  I would support tripling their pay packets if it meant true accountability.

      The problem isn’t the money, it’s what they’re not doing for it.

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:50am | 01/10/11

      I agree, although I am not sure how you KPI minister objectives. I don’t want ministers paid for the number of hours they perform, which is what the tribunal seems to suggest, I want them paid based on the outcomes they achieve, similar to a CEO.

      To think Craig Thomson, Peter Garrett, Julia Gillard, Nicola Roxon, Chris Bowen, Craig emerson etc getting a payrise, when most should lose thier job for sheer incompetence (or corruption) doesn’t sit well for me.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:12am | 01/10/11

      Adam, I agree, if we look at performance, Gillard and co would have been sacked a long time ago. In fact I wonder if Australia can take a class action against this lying, cheating government?

    • TrueOz says:

      02:49pm | 01/10/11

      If these filthy parasites worked in the corporate sector they would in fact be facing criminal prosecution for deceptive and misleading conduct, pursuant to the Trade Practices Act (at the very least). If there was any real oversight into what these worthless air thieves did (as in the corporate sector) an ASIC equivalent might be seeking to have them all banned from “managing a government” for 20 years, as a result of their false and deceptive reporting to shareholders (i.e. the public). There is ZERO personal accountability (or risk) for these worthless, unproductive, parasitic individuals. By any standards that you might wish to apply they are not even worth the money currently being paid to them - let alone increases of the magnitude being considered. Off with their heads!

    • Christian Real says:

      07:48am | 01/10/11

      The Liberals or Nationals didn’t oppose any pay rises to their salaries, yet any story will do for you Liberals to lay any blame on the ALP.
      Tony Abbott is always saying no and opposing policy issues and matters, but he hasn’t said no or opposed the idea of any pay rise.
      I guess that money speaks louder than words or policies for Tony Abbott and his Liberal/National party opposition.

    • nihonin says:

      08:13am | 01/10/11

      True, but the government was able to pass this without needing any yes or no from the Liberals.

    • marley says:

      08:15am | 01/10/11

      Did you miss the point that both sides agree on this?  I guess money speaks louder than words for all sides of the House.

    • Rose says:

      04:11pm | 01/10/11

      nihonin, the government can’t pass any legislation without votes from other parties or independents…it’s a hung parliament remember!

    • citizenx says:

      04:20pm | 01/10/11

      Agree nihonin. If the Libs took the high ground and voted against, they would lose out in both houses. All seem to forget that juliar and co are dependant on the greens and so-called independants to pass legislation through both. Can you really see them turning down and extra incentive to stay onside with the government? Not damn likely! Even if the Libs did vote against they would get it anyway. Thanks to this government, the rules of this part time tribunal must now be obeyed!!! Can you really see salaries linked to CEO’s? As Sir Humphrey said in Yes Minister, a Permanent Secretaries salary should be the euqivalent of the Chairman of the Bank of England. A Minister or Prime Minister less as they actually do not do the work!  An excellent book and tv series that all should watch and read. It is how the civil service works, in all countries [Margaret Thatcher said it was her favourite show as she dealt with it every day in her term in office].

    • citizenx says:

      04:20pm | 01/10/11

      Agree nihonin. If the Libs took the high ground and voted against, they would lose out in both houses. All seem to forget that juliar and co are dependant on the greens and so-called independants to pass legislation through both. Can you really see them turning down and extra incentive to stay onside with the government? Not damn likely! Even if the Libs did vote against they would get it anyway. Thanks to this government, the rules of this part time tribunal must now be obeyed!!! Can you really see salaries linked to CEO’s? As Sir Humphrey said in Yes Minister, a Permanent Secretaries salary should be the euqivalent of the Chairman of the Bank of England. A Minister or Prime Minister less as they actually do not do the work!  An excellent book and tv series that all should watch and read. It is how the civil service works, in all countries [Margaret Thatcher said it was her favourite show as she dealt with it every day in her term in office].

    • Mickey T says:

      08:00am | 01/10/11

      Paying peanuts usually attracts monkeys, which is the current situation in Canberra.

      With a massive increase in remuneration we may finally see some decent and intelligent candidates put their name forward at the next election, let’s hope so.

      Also, apart from remuneration, the process of pre-selection must be changed, the nomination of party hacks, union leaders, ex-lawyers and members of the old school tie club must end…the process must be opened up to a broader section of the Australian community, decent remuneration may be a way of attracting interest from the broader community.

    • marley says:

      08:32am | 01/10/11

      $140,000 base salary plus allowances?  That’s some peanut.  And some monkey.

    • Steve says:

      08:47am | 01/10/11

      I find these comments highly illogical, because if having a higher salary means attracting “decent and intelligent candidates”, that then means that they are driven in their job by profit, not in the “interest of the broader community”.

      Not saying that this lot are any better, but all you will get are more people who are in it for the money, not necessarily people who gave a crap about the country.

    • Lachlan says:

      08:52am | 01/10/11

      ‘fraid I can’t see this happening mate, not with the current parties. Pre-selection is firmly in the hands of the parties, if they want to override their local branches by parachuting hand-picked candidates, they will. The only way I can see this changing is for either the rank and file members retaking back their parties (not likely presently), or some reformist party leaders actually giving the rank and file more power, including to over ride party hq on pre selections (again, not very likely).

    • Kheiron says:

      09:18am | 01/10/11

      You can earn $140k a year being a Tradesman’s Assitant in the mining sector.

      I expect there are a lot of good, honest and intelligent people who could be great politicians who just dont want to because it’s just not worth it.
      No matter what you do everyone seems to hate you and the system seems to be set up to, at best, actively discourage decent leadership.

      I dont think the answer is a pay rise, though. What we need is reform that allows the average Australian without the business, political and union connections (read obligations) to get into a position of power where they can firmly oppose the ‘ruling class’ for the betterment of the majority.

    • Gerard says:

      01:20pm | 01/10/11

      Paying more money may result in more “decent and intelligent” candidates standing for election, but won’t improve the standard of parliamentarians. Why? Because ‘decency’ and success are mutually exclusive in a major party. Decent and intelligent candidates will only stand as independents or minor party members, and consequently will have almost zero chance of being elected by an apathetic public.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:58pm | 01/10/11

      @Kheiron-“good, honest, intelligent people” and “politicians” are a oxymoron. It is impossible to combine the two. It is against all the laws of nature and the universe.

    • James says:

      08:05am | 01/10/11

      $100 000 is more than enough for anyone living in Australia. You should be serving the people because you are proud to do so. Large pay packets attracts the wrong kind of people.

    • jf says:

      08:25am | 01/10/11

      Here here James

      “I have recollections of situations where you could end up as a minister and the secretary of your department was being paid an enormous amount more than you—yet your head was on the line every day.”

      All that says to me is that the public servants are overpaid.

    • Ben says:

      03:34pm | 02/10/11

      Sounds like communism to me James. If you want the best people you have to pay them what they could get in the private sector. Otherwise you end up with the hangers on and toadies for life that overwhelmingly populate Canberra now.

    • Watcher says:

      08:29am | 01/10/11

      None of them deserve a pay rise!! Arguing, bitching and backbiting, then there is the bloke who is blackmailing Labor and the country with the pokie reform. We getting a carbon tax none of us want. The refuge situation is deplorable. And none of them seem to work for the good of the country, they are all out for themselves or their party,a pay reduction is more on the cards.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      08:41am | 01/10/11

      I knew the fix was in when I heard Bronny giving a wonderful speech earlier this year in support of the government’s legislation of implementation of the Belcher Report findings.  I also noted, and I hope the Belcher Committee did also (sic), last week the quality of some of the speeches pro and con the carbon legislation.  They were obviously not prepared or previously read by the speaker in preparation for delivery in the house and to the Australian people.  It was a very lazy offering by some.  Before the Belcher Committee agree in their work study with the value of our representatives I also hope they listen to a question time occasionally. 
      Anyway, the fix is in so I accept that they should all get a 3% or CPI increase, whichever is lower, just like the rest of us.  If they do not like it, let’s get some replacements in from overseas (they can either go into parliament or work in a service station) using the skills shortage argument.

    • RJ says:

      09:00am | 01/10/11

      And once again everyone neglects the worse aspect of parliamentary remuneration: the states.

      Laurie should have mentioned that Qld, Nsw, SA, NT and Vic all have legislation so their MPs receive an annual salary equivalent to that of a federal backbencher less $500 (Nsw & Qld) up to a couple of grand less (the others).
      I forget that in the days of lazy journalism this story can be recycled over and over again.
      A NSW state MP on $249,500 a year as a backbencher is really troubling..

    • against the Man says:

      09:08am | 01/10/11

      This is the real story:
      The ALP politicians know based on current polls they will be in opposition and under more pressure after the next election. So why not milk all the money they can get for the time they have left. Did they do a good job? they don’t care, gillard and friends just love screwing over Australia. Just ask Ruddy? smile

      Lovin it baby, Gillard is dumber than dumb smile

      ps: pay rise will be funded by the carbon tax hahahahaha

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      04:23pm | 01/10/11

      Why would you be under pressure in opposition? Simply oppose whatever the current government does regardless whether it is a good idea or not. Being an opposition MP is the cushiest job in the country…..

    • Against the Man says:

      05:14pm | 01/10/11

      Yes, Shane thats why everyone tries so hard to lose elections HaHaHaHa

      Anyway, seeing as Juliar will get a hefty pay rise and she spends her time on Masterchef as judge (like Ruddy was a Rove regular) must make most Australians feel really ‘proud’ her.

    • mick says:

      09:13am | 01/10/11

      The “Remuneration Tribunal” is a generic term used by company executives and government to justify pay increases which the general public would be castigated for even suggesting.  They happen with monotonous regularity and far exceed what average Australians can ever hope for. 

      What has rubbed salt into the wound is the O’Farrell government’s freeze on public service wage rises after at least a decade of ‘restraint’.  You can bet that the state government will take a rise with both hands after its federal counterparts get theirs.

      It is an ongoing disgrace that we have an Abbott lead opposition which cannot reach a bipartisan agreement on anything other than a significant pay rise for itself.  It is a disgrace and it is hoped that the media do not fall to sleep on this one and play it for all its worth.

    • Nick says:

      10:35am | 01/10/11

      You just jealous Laurie? You’re obviously pretty ignorant if you think this is a bad thing. Australia’s current politicians are like floating piles of crap, honest to god. If you want the best & brightest within the nation to go to politics, you have to make it worth the effort by paying big. I applaud this move, it is with no doubt to the benefit of the country.

    • marley says:

      11:59am | 01/10/11

      I can’t see that raising their pay is going to give the current crop any incentive whatsoever to stand aside.  The problem isn’t the pay rates, it’s the way in which the parties operate.  Especially the ALP.  A little in-house democracy would be a very good thing.

    • Soames says:

      10:43am | 01/10/11

      Ahhh, Barbara Belcher, suitably named,  is now the Sir Humphrey Appleby of the Public Service. Naturally, all politicians will be aghast at this announcement, and will refuse to take any increase.

    • scumbag says:

      10:49am | 01/10/11

      This pay rise will allow politicians to butter BOTH pieces of bread, when making up their lunch box sandwiches for the day.

    • Murray says:

      11:13am | 01/10/11

      Like you and me, politicians made their own decision as to career choice - they knew the pay rates going in and should have no right now to any increase beyond the increases the general public can receive.
      Fair enough to pay Ministers a rate similar to their Departmental Heads. Most politicians these days are part of major partys and do exactly as they are told by party leaders - they do not contribute anything to Parliament other than their vote. In this regard it is ludicrous to suggest that politicians are “leaders” or that they bring some special skills to parliament - very few have had a successful business or community career with many only being able to brag that they are union hacks or graduates with a Law Degree.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:22am | 01/10/11

      Here we go again! Thery only recently got a pay rise of many thousabds of dollars. This time we are told the PM’s paypacket is to DOUBLE & all the seat warmers sitting around & behind her & the Opposition leader are to get almost as big an increase. They don’t earn it. They don’t deserve it.
      That SA & other State politicians are going to automatically get these massive pay rises is not just oibscene it is an abomination.
      South Australians were told last week that the ALP State Government has now racked up Government Debt to a whopping $20 billion - thats 20,000,000,000. This for a state with a population of a mere 1.7 million.
      This is the ALP Government which the “anti-ALP media” tells us has had one of the Best Premiers & the Best Treasurer of any State or Territory in Australia’s history.
      Mind you, what we can expect from the Liberals should they win the next State Election is anyone’s guess for when this $20,000 million debt was announced they said not a single bloody word.
      They will all, as usual for these parasites, with apologies to all other parasites, hold out their greedy hands for their massive pay rises. They calmly chatter on about the Minimum Wage of around $600 per week for eal workers. They oppose every single wage claim of those on low wages yet without a blink take for themsleves pay rises as high as 100%!
      Three or four years ago the Gillard-Rudd Government oh-so-generously gave Old Age Pensioers & others a small increase in their pensions which brought those pensions up to somewhere around $350 per week. Since then no a skerrick yet they have awarded themselves numerous huge rises every few months. When criticised for these huge cash-grabs they refer us all to The Remuneration Tribunal. That’s as bad as allowing a murderer to select his own judge, jury & verdict for the Remuneration Tribunal is appointed by the Politicians & ever movement upwards, they are always upwards, of politician’s pay packets flows through to them. Some nonsense of “Pay Parity” which is almost as deceptive & corrupt as Fuel Parity Pricing. (This determines the price we in Australia pay for fuel & is based on the TAPIS (Singapore) Price of oil,  is always quoted in US dollars & is always $20, $30 or even $40 a barrel dearer than what the USA pays under the WTC price,! The other day the TAPIS price was $122 per barrel. & the WTC price was just $81 per barrel) So much for World Parity Pricing!
      The ALP has always claimed to be there for the “less fortunate, the more disadvantaged etc. the Original Menzies’Liberals expressed similar sentiments. The current Liberals have long-since abandoned any consideration for anyone other than themselves & the Big End of Town.
      SA may be in debt to the tune of $20,000 millions. The Federal Government under kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard & the World’s Worst Treasurer, Wayne Swan has created a Federal Government Debt of, at present, some $250,000 millions & it’s rising by millions every day.
      Where are they all getting the money from to pay these undeserved, unearned pay rises for themselves & the inevitable flow-thru to Senior Public Servants, Defence Force Chiefs, & the Judiciary?
      If any of these silvertails actually did any real work people would not object to them getting paid decently. They are so busy burying their snouts in the trough, stuffing their pockets with our money & checking their bank accounts they haven’t got time to do any work.
      Our polkiticians point the finger at other countries & their politicians & the corruption amongst them. It is time they looked in the mirror for they are evry bit as corrupt.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      11:31am | 01/10/11

      You are so wrong, Laurie!
      The pollies have all the say about their pay. They deliberately set things up so that no future Prime Minister could disallow pay rises granted by the Remuneration Tribunal which is staffed entirely by people appointed by the politicians! The Remuneration Tribunal members also get paid. The system, as it is for all Senior Public Servants - Civil & Military - is set up to ensure Pay Parity so that every time MPs get a pay rise they do too. The Defence Chief has just been given a $300,000 pay rise. The pollies have arranged for themselves to get a pay rise of up to 100%. The Remuneration Tribunal will get not much short of that.
      The entire system is corrupt

    • Nafe says:

      11:50am | 01/10/11

      If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, and by looking at the current crop of monkeys, i guess we are not paying enough.

    • jf says:

      02:09pm | 01/10/11

      And if you overpay you attract greedy, self-interested bandits.

      Politicians and public servants salaries should be reasonable but still modest. Some of Australia’s finest politicians from history on both sides were attracted to politics by a sense of service and duty rather than financial reward.

      If the motivation for public service is driven by benevolence rather than filthy lucre you will attract a better quality of candidate with more pure and noble motives.

    • john says:

      03:54pm | 01/10/11

      Agreed, pay banana’s and get gorillas, why settle for apes that are like undersized fish that should be thrown back into the sea?

    • nossy says:

      11:53am | 01/10/11

      Laurie I say pay the Pollies well - give them BIG salaries and then we can and will expect a lot of them. If we give them mediocre pay packets its hard to ask for a top class performance isnt it. Sir Peter Abeles once said “pay peanuts and you get monkeys”. As well as expecting a lot of well paid Pollies the high salaries may well attract a better class of Pollie - I mean who in there right mind would give up a well paid career in the private sector to take on a job where you are belted post to post for little financial gain - Malcolm Turnbull excluded as he is already rolling in the stuff and just seeks a life of Public Service , not unlike many American Presidents.

    • Tator says:

      01:06pm | 01/10/11

      When people start equating Ministers to CEO’s, I have started believing that they are getting it wrong.  Every government department has a CEO, people should start equating the Ministers with the Boards of directors of public companies.  Now the Chairman of the board at BHP which had a directors fee of around US $1 million and the base fee for a director is US$140k for a company with revenues around $70 billion (BHP also has a policy which compells a director to spend 25% of their salary to purchase BHP stock until they have a holding equivilent of a years fees in stock, this is to give them a stake in the decisions that they make.
      On top of this, I have no issues with giving politicians payrises, on the proviso that they start simplifying and removing a lot of the lurks and perks such as electoral allowances and committee allowances.

    • Subahu says:

      01:31pm | 01/10/11

      Gee, that’s going to make a lot of NSW public servants very happy!!!

    • Gerard says:

      02:08pm | 01/10/11

      Can’t agree with the headline. The major parties have made it obvious for years that they both believe in huge salaries for politicians. When you vote for a member of a major party, you ARE voting for big payrises. Stop claiming ignorance when the problem is stupidity.

    • Boatie Ando says:

      03:08pm | 01/10/11

      Fantastic. The Australian Military have been offered 3% P.A. over 3 years. This figure is below CPI and inflation in real terms. This was rejected by 85% of Defence personel. Can;t wait to see the excuses by Government when it is forced through considering the rise they are about to accept.

    • AAAdam says:

      11:27am | 02/10/11

      The pay offer you mention relates not to the Australian Military, but the civilian public servants who work for the department of defence. You know, the pencil pushers and bureaucrats, not the uniformed war fighters. Big difference. And 85% of defence personnel? Uniformed military members don’t get to vote on their pay so you must mean 85% of civilian public servants who work for defence. Big difference again. Though I do agree that not keeping pay in line with CPI sucks, even if it is public servants and not soldiers you are taking about. I also note the same public servants who work for defence went on strike the other day; something that is illegal for uniformed military members to do. Civilians supporting the diggers at home and overseas blow off work while the uniformed people have no such luxury and have to take up the slack. Another big difference between the two.

    • mick says:

      03:19pm | 01/10/11

      I say to Tony Abbott that Australians did not vote for this…...“I want an election”.

    • BLA says:

      04:44pm | 01/10/11

      I am outraged that there is not a greater outrage - measly 32 comments! HOW DARE this Belcher belch a report suggesting such increases while a government is in power that has failed people’s trust and squandered billions of public money: failed school hall building ‘revolution’; failed pink batts scheme, failed education and training, border security…  failed everything they touch! If they want to get paid as corporate high flyers then pay them bonuses when they perform according to public wishes, and deduct money from their pay packets when they squander public trust and money away. The way this government has been performing they should be queuing up in a soup kitchen (with homeless they promised to support, but of course didn’t).

    • Chris T says:

      08:48pm | 01/10/11

      This pay commission—alike it seems with Oakes himself—take a commonsense view with respect to politicians’ salaries: “pay peanuts and get monkeys”.

      But, speaking as someone who has spent many years in higher education (on the poverty line), we would be better served if we paid our politicians the minimum wage and expenses. 

      Then we would probably get intellectuals and altruistic types, who do not want the damn money.  That is nobility.  The appetite for money and posessions is so obnoxious, so obviously an expression of a metaphysical or emotional problem among our peole, that it is good for a person to eschew these things altogether. 

      At the moment we are getting politicans who know nothing of the common life of our people.  We get complacent people who are ideologically skewed towards consumer capitalism—an order which is spiritually bankrupt and unsustainable. We are getting careerists, egoists and neurotics of various kinds. 

      If politicians will not serve in a spirit of self-renunciation, they must go. 

      I believe that our society will learn these lessons at length, when this whole mess unravels and we are subject to judgment of God, Nature, or whatever immanent principle you might prefer.  This is morally unacceptable.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:55am | 02/10/11

      You’d also get one other kind of person on low wages: the kind who does it just for the power and the other perks of the job.  That’s not nobility.  That’s the demonstrable motivation of every parliamentarian presently serving in Parliament.

      The missing part of the equation is performance.  Link it to pay and your problems are solved, because most of the honest part of the private sector operates on this on a daily basis.  Unfortunately you can’t assess a politician’s performance other than at the ballot box—which is why we never get the chance to do so except once every 3-4 years or so.

    • Roland Adamson says:

      07:55am | 02/10/11

      No one has mentioned that entering Parliament is a free choice decision, no one forces these two bob watches to become MPs, it’s a job! When you apply for a job you should know the pay and conditions, if your not happy give it a miss!
      Let’s face it, the Senate is full of ex union padding their retirement nest eggs, they have no qualifications or ability just loyalty to the Labor Party.
      Piy they don’t vote to double my dole money, as I get by on $520 a fortnight I really feel for these underpaid hard-working no achievers!

    • AAAdam says:

      11:35am | 02/10/11

      This pay rise should be a bonus that is continent on a member being re-elected.

    • stephen says:

      12:47pm | 02/10/11

      This pay rise should be a bonus that is contingent, (sic ... always wanted ter say that) on a member being retired.

    • Jacqueline says:

      04:06pm | 02/10/11

      Could our Teachers, Nurses,Police and Firefighters please have their wages assessed by this Tribunal??

    • Anubis says:

      08:28am | 03/10/11

      If you were to apply true “work value” assessment to the current mob they would be pushing the smelly stuff up a hill with a toothpick to get paid the equivalent of the dole. This useless mob of freeloaders who can’t get a single policy right and are hell bent on destroying productivity and the value of the nation deserve nothing but a solid hammering at the polls. Work value doesn’t even come into the equation when you are discussing the Gillard governement because there is no work value. As for the opposition, just as useless but not able to create the same level of destruction due to their not currently being in power.

    • loxy says:

      09:33am | 03/10/11

      I would be more than happy to triple the salaries, however only if they significantly cut the perks (which most pollies abuse) and make them more accountable i.e. they must deliver what they say they will. If the public service worked more like the private sector you would have much more efficient and effective governments.

 

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