Sydney barely averted a potentially violent mob scene last week that would have been caused by 5 foot 3 of trouble, namely the floppy-haired, permanently smirking boy-child chanteur, Justin Bieber.

Disturbingly young to be desired by old women. Photo: Justin Lloyd

While last Monday’s pheromone-fuelled fracas may have gotten all the attention, it’s another group of staunch Bieberites who are more a case for concern.

Peer a little closer and the Justin Bieber show isn’t all rainbows and hair gel. Somehow this boy with his ridiculous forward-swept mop of hair has, consciously or not, crossed into largely uncharted, sexually-confused territory in the popular culture maelstrom.

Where Bieber differs from the countless preening, saccharine pop-tarts of the last 50 years who inspire the sort of feverish, adolescent idolatry witnessed on this week, is that Bieber’s public persona is not simply that of the cute boy-next-door, but of an indelicate, incessant wannabe “player” who’s suggestive interviews and Tweeting often err on the side of cringe-worthy.

This baby braggadocio’s confused, and at times disturbing, public display of what appears to be a very forced sexuality is unsettling behavior, not only his part, but also on the part of the adult women who buy it, or at least play along.

One of Bieber’s most recent coups was to nab the co-host spot on ‘Saturday Night Live’ with ‘30 Rock’ star, Tina Fey.  The sketches centred around one gag - Fey’s saucy teacher character lusting after the shiny-haired Bieber who was happily enjoying her attentions.

“I don’t know if I want to marry him or put him in a stroller and push him around the mall,” her character says.

“I love the way his hair really knows where it wants to go, just like him”.

Later on she confesses she wants to give Justin a bath.

He smiles adoringly at her and happily plays the part of the love interest.

Other women who have expressed their attraction to Bieber include singer Katie Perry who posted a photo of her and Bieber on Twitter, writing: “Told you I would tap that. Yummy”.

British actress Billie Piper, appearing on the UK’s Graham Norton show said: “I love Justin. I think he’s gorgeous.”

“It’s kind of that you feel wrong for fancying him. I’m 27…. I’d be a cougar for him. But it is wrong” Piper said.
Take an interview he did with Details magazine, saying of his love life: “Now I’m waiting for Beyonce to call”.
He also Tweeted about being kissed by singer Rihanna: “Thanks for refreshing the lipstick mark @rihanna.”

Arriving in Australia he Twittered: “ok. Just arrived and I like Australia. I like the weather, the accents, the girls, the water, the excitement, the girls, and the girls”.

(What did he do actually do here? He went to Whale Beach on Sydney’s Northern Beaches and dug an enormous hole and was photographed frolicking on the beach.)

He is referred to by gossip columnists as “cougar bait” and in a recent interview his mother, Pattie Mallette, says of the gushing, screaming fans he attracts: “The mothers are the worst.”

Bieber’s life and image are seemingly controlled with such military authority it is hard not to read his sexually-loaded banter as the product of a focus-grouped marketing strategy. This is a boy, after all, who has a “swagger coach”- seriously.

Witness the exchange between Bieber and late-night talk-show host Chelsea Handler on her show ‘Chelsea Lately’. Handler is 36, and her books about her numerous one-night stands and penchant for vodka have enjoyed considerable success in the New York Times best-seller lists.

Throughout the interview Handler is quite obviously poking fun at his Junior Lothario routine, but Bieber does not seem to quite perceive this and prattles along with what sound like heavily scripted lines.

“What do you think, you’re some sort of player?” Chelsea Handler asks. “I went back there [backstage] and he goes ‘Hey baby’”.

Bieber: “Last time I was serious about that date too, it never happened”

Handler: “You do a lot of flirting for somebody who’s 16 years old”

Bieber: “I knew we had a thing, tomorrow, pick you up at 7. Hahaha”

As the conversation progresses, Bieber sounds increasingly like he’s reciting lines he has learnt by rote.

“Kim [Kardashian] said, ‘I think Justin Bieber should date my sister’ and I was like, I think I should date you,” he says with a defiant, cocky grin.

Handler: “That’s a lot of woman for you to handle”

Bieber: “It is”.

Handler: “You’ve made it OK to flirt with underage people…. Say I start dating a 16 year-old”.

Bieber interjects: “Which might happen”.

Discussing his new car Bieber says, “I’ll be able to drive it on our date tonight”.

It’s a disquieting exchange that raises questions about the differing social acceptability of men and women’s behaviour when it comes to the murky territory of teen sexuality.

This isn’t about maintaining the fantasy for his fans that he’s the cute boy who wants to take you to your formal. This is about engaging on a distinctly adult level about sex and relationships.

The lesson Justin Bieber teaches us is that it is cute and charming for a teen boy to come-on to every woman who comes within conversational distance. Likewise, there is no issue with adult women repeatedly expressing their attraction and desire towards a boy who is essentially a child.

The ‘cougar’ genre defies any more malicious, predatory or abusive connotations, making it seemingly permissible to express desire towards a child.

Consider the reverse situation: what would be the reaction if say Disney star Miley Cryus so flagrantly and aggressively talked about men nauseum, and publicly propositioned interviewers like David Letterman and Jay Leno, before attempting to hit on in front of the world’s camers, say, Leonardo di Caprio?

Conversely, say Brad Pitt or Justin Timerblake, told an interviewer how much they wanted to “get on” Miley Cyrus?

The public response to both scenarios would be swift and critical.

Yet there seems to be little public concern regarding the overly-sexually confident persona Bieber has cultivated.

Though he may have left our shores, the Bieber phenomenon leaves behind some interesting questions about the societal fault lines beneath our attitudes towards gender, age and sexuality.

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    • bec says:

      07:08am | 04/05/10

      But… *why* :(

      His hair is terrible. He looks like a foetus. And his music is so annoying that kids at my school have taken to singing it during after-school detentions in order to weaken the supervisor’s resistance and get out early.

      Ladies, there are plenty of amazing silver foxes for us to lust over. Let the pre-teens have Justin Bieber; I’ll stick with Jon Hamm. Mmmm, Hamm.

    • TC says:

      05:20pm | 04/05/10

      He looks suspiciously like a girl if you ask me

    • kc kitten says:

      10:17am | 05/05/10

      I myself am a silver fox hunter! 18 years between Mr Kitten and myself. Give me a MAN anyday, what’s with this sexually ambiguous-emo fringed-skinny limbs clad in skinny jeans thing (Yes, I’m looking at you Zac Efron and Chace Crawford)? I’m only 20, but I can’t seem to find someone attractive if they haven’t started SHAVING yet.

    • Barcoo says:

      07:21am | 04/05/10

      This is an excellent article and highlights something which has never occurred to me before. There is an overwhelming fear and loathing of males who “play along” with sexually provocative teenage girls but of course we women can be just as bad, if not worse, because we know we can get away with it. It’s seen as rather funny but it’s actually pathetic and very, very unfair.

    • BTS says:

      07:35am | 04/05/10

      If a man expressed an interest in an underage girl, his career is finished, he’s under legal scrutiny, sponsors walk away and he is demonised for life.

      If a woman expressed an interest in an underage boy, what’s the big deal, it’s only harmless fun.

    • Marina Go says:

      04:43pm | 04/05/10

      I disagree with you, I think we have reached the social maturity that says children of any gender are off limits.  It’s one of the reasons that I couldn’t continue watching Cougartown. That first episode when Courtney Cox’s character got it on with a school boy made me feel like puking. I switched channels immediately and didn’t go back. And surprise, surprise Seven has now dumped the show altogether due to lack of interest. Can’t speak for American older women, but hopefully we have better judgment here.

    • Dave C says:

      08:00am | 04/05/10

      Totally agree, if a grown man flirts with an underage girl and she flirts back he is a predator/pedophile if a woman does it to a16 year old boy she is a cougar.

      The boy himself should know better to, he is encouraging this predatory behavior of older women not that anything will happen to them.

      Complete F#*ing double standard. Where are the feminists in all of this, strangely silent.

    • Caz says:

      08:08am | 04/05/10

      Um the article that points this out is written by a women and plenty of women have responded before you here expressing the same as you….

    • KH says:

      08:23am | 04/05/10

      Nonsense - there are examples where older men have been more than flirty with underage girls and nothing has happened to them, if anything, it appeared to be beneficial - I give you Bill Wyman ladies and gentlemen.  He married an 18 year old whom he had been dating since she was 13 - yes 13.  As we all know, there are different rules for us “regular” people, and the special ‘celebrity’ people who apparently can do almost anything and get away with it - people think its ‘funny’ or ‘cute’, and it rarely seems to interfere with their careers.  All of the examples of women flirting with this little twirp are celebrities, and the idiots who scream at shopping centres are just, well, idiots, who are being manipulated by some publicity person.  However, people who actually do things with underage others are almost always demonised - male or female - there have been several recent examples in the news, and the older person is never portrayed in any nice way that I have noticed, regardless of their gender. 
      As an aside, how is this kid different to the countless young girls who are dressed up as hookers and paraded around to encourage interest from older men?  Have you seen the so called ‘girls fashion’ section of any store these days?  What - he is a boy so now you guys are getting all upset about it?  At least you noticed how disturbing it is to have some young teenager being encouraged to be a sex object when clearly they are too immature to even understand what that really is.

    • Eric says:

      09:01am | 04/05/10

      Caz: “Feminists” and “women” are not the same thing.

      KH: And here we have a typical feminist reaction, proving Dave C’s point.

      Does anyone remember Germaine Greer’s book in which she praised attraction to underage boys?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beautiful_Boy

      That’s the very godmother of feminism.

    • Metey says:

      09:32pm | 04/05/10

      Eric: I remember Greer’s book - my husband and I both found the whole premise deeply disturbing (we are both in our 30s).

      And yes, so many of the women flirting with/drooling over this boy would be outraged if the genders were reversed.

    • Caz says:

      08:00am | 04/05/10

      Really good article.

      I think the Justin Bieber thing is all very gross and it weirds me out! Women need to grow up and grow some brains. Why would you want to idolise a twerp like this kid? Why would you encourage your teenage girls to do the same?

      When I was a young teenage girl I thought Hanson was bad enough, I hated them so much for being so twerpy… Even middleaged Twilight fans weird me out…. This is a million times worse and makes me worry for modern day women :(

    • stanby01 says:

      01:01pm | 04/05/10

      not to mention the creepy vampire guy who is thousands of years old lusting after a whiny teenage girl

    • Mary says:

      08:48am | 04/05/10

      Spare me okay as a 40 something women who would like a child like this that is actually disgusting. 20 somethings I can see but anyone older than that has rocks for brains and needs a transplant, this would have to be one of the most silliest stories I have read all year its on par with the twilight madness and most of it is over sensationalized by the media.

    • Don Draper says:

      08:56am | 04/05/10

      It’s little wonder Bieber “acts” (ie publicity stunts) the way he does - considering he was discovered by Nelly - and rappers have their own world associated with the bragging PUA culture.

      But the omlettes lusting after Bieber are pathetic. Not only does he look like he is 12 (apparently he’s 16) but these ‘cougars’ going for him are just displaying their inate inability and acknowledgement that they could never satisfy a real man (think Hugh Jackman, Brad Pitt, George Clooney et al).

      While men have always gone for the younger women this is natural. Young women are in their prime and at the peak of their social value. Young men (or in this case boys) are yet to reach their social value by building themselves into providers (or even hitting puberty). I suppose these desperate old hags think they are being liberated but it is just shameful and pathetic.

      When a woman lusts after a fey prettyboy like this (or Twilight) you know she couldn’t handle a real man so you move on quickly. No point wasting time with a woman still stuck in early high school.

    • Helen says:

      09:12am | 04/05/10

      Whoa, there is some pretty hardcore misogyny there. Damn right there’s a double standard - how much older than Brynn whatsit-thing is Geoffrey Edelsten?

    • Muttley says:

      09:51am | 04/05/10

      Helen, That couple look ridiculous, but they are both adults and can make their own choices. What we are talking about here is a 16 year old child being lusted after by adults. Thats just wrong. Lets make a clear comparison. Would it have been right for men in the late 20’s to be lusting after Miss Cyrus when she was 16? No. Clearly no. And this is no different.

    • BTS says:

      09:55am | 04/05/10

      Helen,

      I didn’t realise Brynn whatsit-thing was underage.

    • Rover says:

      10:27am | 04/05/10

      Is anyone seriously lusting after Justin Bieber?
      Seriously?
      I thought the point of this article was that lots of these “cougars” are making fun of the fact that he thinks he’s desirable to them.
      He’ll have no career left once his voice breaks. And sorry Eric if referring to something that happens to boys makes me an evil feminist.

    • Ray says:

      08:58am | 04/05/10

      This exemplifies the point that if you are male and on a beach where there is say two young girls you have to move away instantly.

      Feminism has developed an appalling double standard . Men even have to be very careful of the projected appearance with their own daughter. In separations what was innocent affection can be twisted to appear as incest. Try and defend that.

      I am apalled at the double standards particularly the demonising of men.

      I will never frogive women, and despise them for such.

      Even in the case of celebration of male strippers performing at family clubs. Yet if a football fundraiser has a female stripper it becomes headlines and evokes a withdrawal and apology for ‘disrespect towards women’ . Even from the State Premier. Give me a break.

      Women are just high maintenence who can do what they like.

      Bash their husband, have under age sex, infanticide. cheat in education with preferred outcomes, corporate fraud hiding behind their husbands conviction but spending the tainted money etc all to be countered by ‘battered wife syndrome’, ‘post natal depression’, I was a victim’, or some othe invented excuse of opportune convenience to facilitate flawed nature.

      Above all, cougar fantasies to satisfy some bent lust while their sucker of a husband works away to provide for the family. Of course she can leave permanently and take 80% of the assets, his super, and the kids, and hook up with another equally poor sucker and repeat the dose.

      A parting question.

      Ever wonder why there is a male shortage or lack of commitment!

    • McChicken says:

      09:22am | 04/05/10

      Gosh Ray you have a lotta hate in you for half of the population. That aint healthy.  I suggest you go see someone or just go and hug a tree or something and calm down.

      You say you have a daughter, yet you hate women so much?  Are you going to hate her when she grows up, or will you make her the special exception?

      And if you read the article PROPERLY you would see it was written by a woman, who highlights how concerning it is that young boys portray themselves as sex objects and the wider world doesn’t seem to have an issue with that, whereas there would be an outcry if the situation was reversed.

      If you actually got over your own hate and prejudice for women you may just see your concerns are somewhat similar. 

      Just sayin’

    • person says:

      09:25am | 04/05/10

      I have a feeling Ray is a very, very bitter man. I hope that one day you realise that not all women are the same and find someone that makes you happy.

    • geez. says:

      09:36am | 04/05/10

      I feel sorry for Ray’s daughter :-(

    • Eric says:

      09:58am | 04/05/10

      Ray’s opinions are simply the result of living in a society that hates men. These attitudes will continue to increase as more and more men wake up to what has been done to them. 

      http://bit.ly/axZtZh

      Read and learn.

    • Ray says:

      10:34am | 04/05/10

      I have a daughter,. Don’t worry about her she’s a gem. And I did read the article properly.

      Fact is with all the women who have sons you seem prepared to accept that your little darling will grow into one of the men you depise. One of the men that you celebrate feminist ideology has turned legislation and courts against men to the extent as why would you get married.  Even when retired men can be stuck in an unhappy marriage because they will NOT get 50% of assets. haver no support systems and will be generally ostracised.

      Sure the article is written by a woman. A woman who in previous articles has celebrated the wider context feminist castration of men. 

      McChicken; ‘young boys who portray themselves as sex objects’. Really. Isn’t this boy (child) being used, portrayed or manipulated by his female manager as a sex object. You would very quickly see it as a male manipulating a female (child) if the situation were gender reversed. Point of the article. Read the article PROPERLY, not according to your shoe size. ALSO (your 2nd para) ARE YOU A WOMAN WHO HAS A SON BUT CELEBRATES THE STACKED EDUCATION, LEGISLATION AND COURT SYSTEM.

      I will reiterate as a male over 50 just try going to the beach, park, or swimming pool on your own when young children are there. You get the stares from the twisted mothers. Don’t take a camera anywhere and never use a mobile phone for same.

      If you think I’m bitter you’re right. A direct result of the cannonising of males by females who in general hate the other 50% but will use the ‘special exception’ one, for their own convenience, until they can failitate a cold exit for a richer or younger man, aided and abetted by our laws and court system .

      If your worried about my daughter, don’t. She has been brought up with the principles, integrity, honour and compassion common to males, that she doesn’t need the feminist drivel. Successful and faces the world not looking for excuses. Wonder where she got that from.

      I don’t need to get over my ‘hate’. Like most men if you cross me with a passion it is a long way back to redemption. So I don’t ‘hate’. I just accept women for what they are. Women created it and have to live with it.

      It is sad because I and many other men could never love a woman (again). Used to love ‘em. Congratulations.

    • Rover says:

      11:53am | 04/05/10

      Poor Ray.
      There are some shitty people in this world, who dump you so they can shag someone younger and then try to take you to the cleaners financially. I know because my ex is doing it to me - and he’s a man.
      However, I don’t hate all men because of it. Part of being an adult is treating individuals on their merits, not blindly lumping all people together because of their gender, or their race, or their religion.

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:22pm | 04/05/10

      Ray understand your predicament. The basic problem is that women despise being treated with repsect, love or equality which is a complete myth anyway. Take a look around you. The women that hate the most are the white Western women who have more rights, more freedoms and more say than any other race, male or female on the planet. I have never ever seen or heard one Black or Asian feminst railing against her own tribal or societal culture. In fact I have never heard one Aboriginal woman rail against her own peoples culture which was brutal and essentially backwards. Few rights are accorded these women in any of these cultures yet they save their vitriol only for Western culture! 

      Why is it that black African women who do a large load of heavy work such as heaving heavy cans of water long distances for their tribe while their black male chieftain sits on his posterior have far more congenial gender relations than their white counterparts in Western society?

      Eva Cox said it best following KRudds decision to select 11 of the 12 leaders to be white men at his “Thunkfest” some years back and bitterly protested at how sick she felt in the guts at such a horrendous decision. But this scum offered no rational reasoning as to why Krudds decision was wrong just splenetic hate filled invective agaionst white men in general!

      Until men take back our God given authority, forcibly separate the sexes as do the Muslims and ensure women fuilfil their primary function of child rearing Western society will continue its accelerating spiral into total oblivion. 

      Unfortunately we have only our apathetic selves to blame. 

      Muslims need not resort to terrorism but rather hold fast to their faith, keep breeding and the future is theirs for the taking.

    • Benha says:

      12:44pm | 04/05/10

      Holy crap Paul Horn! have you ever stopped to think that all those women in non-Western societies don’t complain or whine because they are oppressed to the point that they are completely voiceless. But once they are liberated from that submission they are quite outspoken about their patriarchal societies like Ayaan Hirsi Ali author of “Infidel”.

      Women in Western societies voice and complaint because there is still room for improvement in the equality amongst the genders. A quick example is the gender wage gap in Australia which is still 17 percent.

      I suggest that if you like those societies where “women know their place” (you dixit) and act just like vessels, you should pack your bags and enjoy the good life they have!

    • Ellie says:

      04:49pm | 04/05/10

      “I will never frogive women, and despise them for such.”

      I’m sorry, but who do you think you are? I get it, a few women have done bad things to you, but that doesn’t give you the right to label all women as man hating feminists when you can see for yourself that a lot of women who comment on the Punch have the same opinion on this matter as you.

      I do feel sympathy for you, but at the same time, as a 21 year old female who had nothing whatsoever to do with the feminist revolution, I feel I do not deserve your tirade against me and all my kind. It’s frankly insulting. Deal with your problems yourself, instead of venting it onto the 99% of women you have never met before.

    • Ray says:

      05:33pm | 04/05/10

      Well Ellie, if the cap fits, wear it. You all deserve the tirade.

      I was once young, egalitarian and gregarious but women fixed that inspades. Not just a few but hte whole social mix.

      So despite your young years I have yet to see you renounce any of the man hating ways entrenched in feminist ideology, and imbibed into mainstream female thought..

      And just because some women renounce the subject article theme, it does not relieve the underlying hatred of men, possessed by women which matures in manifest with age.

    • marlene says:

      07:24pm | 04/05/10

      Geez - I’m a woman of somewhat advanced years who grew up in the 60s - Germaine was never my heroine, but I did like some of the feminist ideals - like the concept of equal access to education and jobs, and equal pay for the same job. Not better access, not better education, not better pay, just equal.  Is that so wrong? 

      I have never regarded men as inferior, have never wanted anything but fairness in the family courts (joint custody, fair division of property - with the emphasis on fair), and in the criminal courts (let rape charges be taken seriously, but let the evidence prevail) and I certainly never thought that being a woman excused me from my responsibility to be a contributing member of society.  Quite the contrary. 

      Live and let live is my motto - but let everyone, male and female, have the same rights and responsibilities.  And if you don’t like my values, so be it. 

      By the way, I’m happily married, I have contributed financially 50/50 to my and my husband’s joint assets over the years (and have the bank and mortgage records to prove it), and have no intention of trading him in on a younger model.  Do I have cougar fantasies?  Not hardly.  I’m not the female equivalent of a “dirty old man” and I refuse to accept swingeing accusations that all women must be that way just because someone somewhere had a bad experience.

    • Skaramoosh says:

      10:00pm | 04/05/10

      Wow Ray.  If you treat all women you meet with the same contempt you display here, then I feel sorry for you.  You’re really missing out on meeting a wonderful woman.  But then again, in your mind, wonderful women are as real as Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.  Such a shame.

      I’m a woman.  I’ve never cheated on a man.  I’ve never taken advantage of a man.  I’ve never belittled a man, physically or verbally.  I’ve never lusted after a man-child.  When I broke up with my ex, I kept what was mine, he kept was was his and we amicably decided who would keep joint items.  We split the money in our joint account 50/50 and I let him keep our dog, despite it being a birthday present to me.  I knew how much he adored it and I was not prepared to be nasty for the sake of it.

      So, contrary to popular misogynistic beliefs, not all women are bitches.

    • Rachel says:

      08:52am | 05/05/10

      I think you might need a bit of psychiatric help. I say that honestly; I don’t think the way that you feel about women is normal or healthy.

      The reason why men have to be careful around young girls is not because of anything women have done, it is because of the awful things that some other men have done. Whilst it is terrible that this puts all men under suspicion it seems strange that you would blame women for this rather than the men that have committed acts against young girls.

    • jojo says:

      09:16am | 04/05/10

      I am in my 40s and when I heard one of his songs on the radio and thought he would be in his twenties or something but when I saw he was this 16 year old kid (who looked more like a 12 year old) it just seems wrong - every time one of his songs comes on the radio I turn it off because it is just ...  well, creepy

    • AdamC says:

      09:44am | 04/05/10

      Sheesh, isn’t everyone (especially the author) taking this all too seriously? The kid’s legal, last time I checked, so Chelsea Handler could actually have taken him on a vodka-fuelled romp across three states in that new car of his and the only law she’d be breaking would be driving under the influence.

      At 16, Bieber is also only one year younger than that actor (Taylor something) who turned legions of Robert Pattinson fans (of all ages) into drooling devotees of ‘Team Jacob’. Admittedly, he is hot and Justin Bieber isn’t but, you know, each to their own. Must we turn every pop culture oddity into a meta-narrative? Can’t we just enjoy the bad music, stupid hair and assorted embarrassments of the latest boy bimbo superstar? What has happened to everyone?

    • Ajent says:

      11:10am | 04/05/10

      I think legal age is different in the US…...

    • Rover says:

      01:07pm | 04/05/10

      After consulting my good friend Dr G. Oogle, it appears the age of consent in both the US and Canada is 16.
      So he’s legal.
      Just not very appealing.

    • Perko says:

      02:53pm | 04/05/10

      The age of consent in the US may be 16, but the legal drinking age is 21 so forget about the vodka - although Chelsea would need it herself by the sound of it.  How on earth any mature woman could find a 16 year that looks 12 and doesn’t even appear to need to shave yet physically attractive borders on paedophilia.  14 year old girls going crazy I can understand but not an adult.

    • Kate says:

      02:56pm | 04/05/10

      I have to agree re the Taylor whatever comment… but that guy does look much older than he is. (Once I found out that Taylor was so young I felt like a dirty old woman for drooling at him! wink) I think one of the reasons this whole Bieber fanaticism creeps me out is, as others have previously said, he looks about 12 and has women - not just girls - lusting! It may be legal but the whole thing just squicks me out.

      But my question is, where the hell did this guy even come from?? I’d never heard his name until he came to Australia! To my knowledge I still haven’t heard his music. All I’ve heard about is this kinda disturbing cult much like when Hanson were around. (Hanson the 90s band version of this kind of hysteria, not the politician!) And they weren’t sexualized like this - they were squeaky clean Christian boys who I imagine the older woman did want to make a hot chocolate and read a nice story! Yeah, I think the older women factor is definitely the creepiest part of this…

    • Tim says:

      08:41am | 05/05/10

      article is wrong age of consent in most states in Australia is 16 - look it up on wiki.

    • benha says:

      09:46am | 04/05/10

      Very interesting article. I have heard of this kid and the reactions of older women towards him but hadn’t taken the time to read more about it.

      I wonder if the purpose of the people behind this child is to tap into the older women market just because nowadays these segment of the population is more independent and has more money.

      Does this dude perform the same young lothario routine when being interviewed by another teeenager say the host of the Mickey Mouse Club?

    • kirsten says:

      10:02am | 04/05/10

      I think he’s just a kid who’s gotten caught up in his own hype, he really has just overstepped the mark with older women because he’s been encouraged, one well positioned good old fashioned slap in the face should set him right.
      Yes, its annoying, but more because its so disappointing - I so wanted him to play the ‘Taylor Swift’ card of young talent that when he started down the mini player road I just wanted him to STOP, but sadly no. Oh well.

      Changing the subject slightly….he’s not as bad as Bindi Irwin…she reminds me of some kind of ‘wind up enthusiasm robot’ press 1 for ‘sentimental clap trap about animals’, press 2 for ‘wild enthusiasm about being here’....etc.

      When will child stars realise their big appeal is their natural unaffected selves….or should be.

    • AdamC says:

      10:19am | 04/05/10

      Totally agree re Bindi. I saw an interview with her a couple of years ago. She doesn’t talk like a kid, she talks like an alien robot disguised as a kid who has had too much media training

    • Castro says:

      10:37am | 04/05/10

      I’ve always thought Bindi is more like a trained seal than a child.  Her mother has trained her up and then she takes her out into the media spotlight and makes her catch fish and balance balls on her nose.

      Imagine the mess she will be when she is grown up.  Matthew Newton will look well adjusted compared to her.

    • bruce says:

      10:04am | 04/05/10

      he is just weird anyway

    • Richard says:

      10:09am | 04/05/10

      Could all the kids stop twittering about him please. I thought young kids didn’t tweet according to a study. Your clogging up the network with crap.

    • Kate says:

      11:04am | 04/05/10

      I find the “sexual arrogance” teenagers have these days confounding….it
      brings up an interesting point in relation to Teacher/Student relationships.

    • Alan says:

      11:07am | 04/05/10

      Hey Ray (of earlier comment). You are on the money. I really liked your reference to integrity, honour, principle. Definitely in short supply for women who should look up the meanings in the good old ‘Oxford’.

      Should have more dads like you.

    • Reality check for the cougars says:

      11:10am | 04/05/10

      Excellent article, and it highlights a concern.

      I work as a senior corrections officer in a maximum security prison in WA. Two years ago, a criminal psychologist interviewed our prisoners and found that the majority had been subjected to sexual abuse as children. And the majority of them where sexually abused by their mothers.

      But in our society you can only be sexist if you’re male. Just like you can only be racist if you’re black.

    • Tom says:

      12:14pm | 04/05/10

      I am not saying that such things don’t happen but there is no way the criminal psychologist could claim veracity in such a finding. Every criminal runs a victim story to his / her shrink to milk sympathy and perhaps a reduced sentence.

    • Tilda says:

      12:27pm | 04/05/10

      do you mean…only be racist if you’re white?

    • Reality check for the cougars says:

      02:24pm | 04/05/10

      Tilda: yes, thanks for the correction, I meant white.

    • A Bob says:

      12:18pm | 04/05/10

      I’m more concerned for the boy. Young Britney was marketed as the virginal teen and look how that turned out. She most definitely wasn’t and neither is this guy the stud. Trying to fulfil someone elses idea of a persona does serious damage to someone this young.

    • Chris says:

      12:48pm | 04/05/10

      Hope he does meet Beyonce, I reckon she would smack him down quick smart.  Way too classy for this smudge…

    • Spanish Girl says:

      01:14pm | 04/05/10

      Is it just me, or does anybody else want to grab that kid and give him a decent haircut?  He looks like a complete tosser with that “pulled backwards through a hedge” hairstyle.

      Tragically, I think this poor kid will be exploited and will end up in rehab and a has been by the time he’s 25.  then he’ll do the “Justin Beiber Reunion Tour”.

      Poor little mite.

    • Bon says:

      01:31pm | 04/05/10

      I don’t get the whole Justin Beiber thing.  I didn’t even know who he was until last week, when I happened to turn on Sunrise and watched the hoopla unfold.  I feel for him in a way though, his life is a train wreck waiting to happen - I hope he gets himself an education and makes sure he has a ‘back up’ plan for when the hype dies down, he grows up and no one is interested anymore.

    • chris says:

      02:00pm | 04/05/10

      Enough with the “cougar” already!!! Enough!!!! Premenopausal slappers who are the female equivalent of the creepy dirty old man with his combover and bad aftershave. Any remarks from any botoxed old trout who calls herself a cougar regarding underage boys should be met with the same hostility as if the tables were turned.

    • bloke says:

      05:01pm | 04/05/10

      beautifully put

    • Wilma says:

      10:13pm | 04/05/10

      I really think, often, women in their twenties, thirties, might be trying to be liberated and ‘cool’ in their attitude to such youth phenomena as this.  We women are always trying to figure out how to be ‘cool’ or negotiate with cachet a confusing men’s world.  I suspect few mature women would actually be irresponsible enough to go for a boy this age.

    • Luke says:

      02:16pm | 04/05/10

      Guys are different to girls… its life… deal with it i say…
      Whenever a 16 year old and sex come together in this fashion is it always “creepy”, male or female… in any way shape or form… females do it differently i guess… Justin has it better than they do i reckon…  deal with it…

    • h says:

      02:33pm | 04/05/10

      It’s a classic double-standard. How often do you hear a sexually-confident man described as “empowered”? How often do people say “good for you!” to an older man with a younger woman? How often have you heard the joke “what’s the word for a male cougar… that’s right, it’s dirty old man”? How often do female teachers avoid jail for sleeping with young male students, compared with male offenders?

      Of course if Bieber was following through with every one of his advances perhaps he’d be called a slut. What do you think?

    • Joanne says:

      02:59pm | 04/05/10

      Master Bieber’s marketing machine will be delighted at the amount of discussion (aka publicity) all this is causing… and as for the celeb’s lusting after him - could that all be part of the grand plan to make lots and lots of money?

    • Leonie says:

      03:12pm | 04/05/10

      There are a lot of sexist comments here complaining about feminism.  I’m a feminist, but I’m not as small minded as those that have given other feminists a bad image.  When I say I want equality, I mean I want equality.  And by equality I mean I do NOT want to be treated any better than a man.  That’s not equality, that is just sexism.  Someone who is over-the-top feminist is really just a sexist, so please don’t judge all feminists the same way. 

      Now, about Justin Bieber, I find it very disturbing that he’s getting so much attention from older women.  It’s true that if he were a girl, and the attention was coming from much older men, there would be an uproar.  People should be worried about the sexualisation of a child/teen regardless of gender, but it just seems to be all fun and games with this kid.  The ‘adults’ in this situation should know better.  I think his mother and PR people have a lot to answer for regarding this, and the women lusting after him should show some restraint and shame.

    • Ray says:

      04:19pm | 04/05/10

      Leonie, you say you are a feminist and then decry what goes with it. You ARE treated better than men then come up with some vacuous denial.

      I’m afraid its not only all ‘feminists’, its all women, who are in denial, then celebrate all the sexism they use for ‘equality’ (often confused with ‘same’). You’re either in or you’re out. Can’t have both. So don’t play men for fools expecting them to swallow clap trap about being equal but playing fair.

      Feminists don’t respect men, nor do most women. If you like equality what do you think of the socially engineered education system outcomes. Don’t make me laugh. Throw in employment, family court,  general court proceedings, and the floored clap trap that feminists come out with on equal pay for example. 

      Trouble is with all the maternity provisions; childcare, baby bonus, maternity leave, CSA child support, family A&B Tax women are negative production in the workforce. Yet while women hold all the cards they will never concede men one thing

      If you get the feeling men have had enough you are right

    • Bon says:

      10:40am | 05/05/10

      Ray, I certainly don’t get the feeling “men” have had “enough”.  All the men I know don’t have a problem with women, in fact I showed my husband this thread and he just thinks you are a loon.  Which is quite sad, really, when you clearly want to be taken seriously but you just come across as a crazy woman hater.  But, if the shoe fits…

      I have no doubt that you have been done wrong by a woman, or some women.  Fine.  It’s your preogative to label all women as evil if that’s what you need to do in order to justify your rage.  It won’t change anything though, and while you are busy indulging in your hatred and bitterness for women the rest of us are getting on with our lives.  And don’t pretend that you have any clue what the average woman thinks or feels about anything.  You have no idea.

    • Ray says:

      01:55pm | 05/05/10

      Bon, so why do you pretend to know what men think? I’ve already used the shoe fits/the hat fits so please delve into you brain power and come up with something original. When you flick your ‘loony’ husband and cream the assets. Ask him again.

      Women all change with the wind when the boom drops. No one could love men with the venom that women have vented in some misguided view on equaity.

      You live in dream land if you believe you can retain everything female and dismantle everything male, and then believe you can be friends with the group you are dismantling.

    • Bon says:

      05:20pm | 05/05/10

      Ray I don’t pretend to know what men think.

      I know you already used the shoe/hat analogy - that is reason I used it.

      If my husband and I were to separate, as a stay at home parent with no income of my own, I would be worse off, not better.

    • cougarbait says:

      03:28pm | 04/05/10

      Age of consent in majority of Australia is 16, so he is not “underage” at all.

    • Tim says:

      04:15pm | 04/05/10

      Awesome,
      i’m sure you’ll be OK with a 50 year old man dating your or one of your friend’s 16 year old daughters then.
      I mean they’re over the age of consent aren’t they?

      BTW do you hang around year 10 boys often? If so, i’m a bit worried.

    • Cherry says:

      09:13pm | 04/05/10

      16 y/o may be “legal”, but it’s still creepy.  They’re still barely children.

    • Tim says:

      08:50am | 05/05/10

      yep agree 16 is legal, although I wouldn’t date anyone under 18.  To the other Tim to compare a 16 year old to a 10 year old is very offensive.  Couagarbait was just stating the law.

    • Jeff says:

      03:45pm | 04/05/10

      Did Bieber steal that song from The Supremes “Baby, where did our love go”?

    • Lauren says:

      03:50pm | 04/05/10

      He’s not underage… And he’s only three years away from the legal Canadian drinking age.

      At least the kid has talent, despite sounding like a 12 year old.

      But the fact that Justin is a very ‘young’ 16 year old and older women find him attractive is sicko… Personally I find those ‘Twilight Moms’ a lot more disturbing though!

    • Nobieberforyou says:

      03:54pm | 04/05/10

      Kim Kardashian is doing him apparently, so bad luck girls.
      Source Richard Wilkins, Today Show. (so its gotta be true)

    • Rover says:

      04:32pm | 04/05/10

      Great source. At least he’s not claiming Bieber is dead.

    • BTS says:

      04:42pm | 04/05/10

      Since she’s thirty years old, I kind of doubt it.

    • Ray says:

      04:31pm | 04/05/10

      To Benha who replied to Paul Thorn; is the 17% now text book gospel.

      FFD (Fair F***king dinkum) you women will repeat something often enough that it becomes folklore despite whether it is tainted, flawed, deception or just outright lies.

      With our socially engineered education system denying boys, any such 17% figure is just rubbish. Boys deserve better than feminist bigotry. They don’t deserve a life long handicap to make them ‘equal’

    • Benha says:

      10:08pm | 04/05/10

      I’m a man by the way but I’m intelligent and informed enough to understand this patriarchal system that is still trying to treat women as just sex objects and males as brutes and providers. Of course there are differences between the sexes but everyone should get their fair share for the same amount of work.

      I think this is the last time I’ll answer to one of your tirades (and I advise the people of this forum not to feed the troll) because no matter whatever people tell you and what facts are being presented, you won’t get over your misogyny.

      I recommend a good councellor, it might be a little bit painful to uncover all that resentments and whatever you have buried in your psyche but I think it’s better than live as bitter as you seem to be. If you don’t do it for yourself do it for your children.

    • bloke says:

      04:51pm | 04/05/10

      most likely a clever creation from a p.r agent. leashed onto the great unwashed masses to generate hype and money.. he’s really prob’ 26 and gay

    • St. Germaine says:

      04:52pm | 04/05/10

      I think it’s only natural.

      90% of men are attracted to underage girls whether they admit it or not.

    • BTS says:

      05:24pm | 04/05/10

      Well you have some serious issues.

    • Ellie says:

      04:52pm | 04/05/10

      This makes me sick to the stomach! Why is this being accepted in the media and society? It is predatory behaviour by adult women and should be shunned just as men going after Miley Cyrus should. As adults, we are supposed to be protecting our children and not trying to have sex with them! Ugh.

    • Phil says:

      05:02pm | 04/05/10

      Justin is 16 years old which means, by Australian law, he has reached the age of consent and can perfectly legally have a sexual relationship with whomever he likes.  I think we tend to get quite paranoid about this sort of thing, but like it or not, teenagers are sexual beings. Many teenagers hook up with older people (male and female) and it doesn’t do any harm to them, so I think we all need to get over it.

    • Lorraine says:

      05:44pm | 04/05/10

      First we saw the sexualisation of baby girls, now its time for sexualisation of baby boys… where are we heading?

    • Wilma says:

      09:45pm | 04/05/10

      Look - really, that Beiber is obviously going to be a fairly sleazy slick player when he’s older.  He already is, really.

    • Alex says:

      10:53pm | 04/05/10

      Britney Spears was 16 in the “Hit Me Baby One More Time” film clip and I recall plenty of men worldwide openly expressing lust for her.

      As for Ray’s comments, your hate speech is offensive and just exposes you as unbalanced.

    • sam says:

      11:21pm | 04/05/10

      well man isn’t all this about so called women rights group where are we heading in the name of women rights. they started to take advantage of it now fantasizing about an underage boy. the next thing it would be an offence to stop your women screwing around right in the front of you with another man nothing replace the old way of life where the man goes to work to provide for the family while the woman does what she supposed to be doing house duties keep it simple guys or you would pay for it dearly

    • Kal says:

      12:10am | 05/05/10

      Rule number 1. All teenage boys ever think about is sex, (don’t deny it, you probably can’t remember back that far if you do) followed by food, followed closely by what their mates are up to.

      Rule number 2. If its moderately good looking, has a nice body and isn’t too overtly ancient, that boy would try like hell to “tap that”.

      Rule number 3. Repeat 1 and 2 until death. (Men never grow up)


      Women and men are not so different in their sexual desires. The glorifying of youth in our culture obviously brings about an appeal of young men to women as it does young women to men. Brandishing generalisations toward each gender is going to get us nowhere. The fact is you can’t help what you like… some women adore young men, some prefer their own age bracket and some like older. Young men play up their sexuality (sure perhaps not as aggressively as this bloke) and so do young women. There are plenty of examples for each.

      Is it wrong to lust after the youthful looks of a child or is it simply human nature? Maybe, but that would depend on your environment and culture. Is it human nature to monopolise on your status by playing up to others? Yes for sure - everyone talks themselves up when they’re on a good wicket so they can stay there.

      I think this boy’s fifteen minutes are about up. Don’t you?

    • Mathew Henderson-Hau says:

      12:33am | 05/05/10

      The term for those women is ‘pedophiles’, and it’s something that law enforcement should look into and take seriously. Pedo’s aren’t just men, and any Beiber forum is literally a honey pot for law enforcement if law enforcement didn’t take a double standard approach to sexualisation of children being only the bastion of male predators.

    • Ben says:

      03:27am | 05/05/10

      So your underlying question: why is there little public concern regarding the overly-sexually confident persona Bieber has cultivated?

      Because as you have pointed out, it is so obviously fake, managed, and part of an image.  And he still looks 12.  However, he’s been trained by interview after interview with women that they’ll end up flirting, and the best crowd response is to play up to it.  So he does.  He doesn’t react to people taking his behaviour seriously because why would anyone think he was being serious about it?

      Similarly, your description seems to have missed the joke about the SNL skit.  The innuendo highlights the fact that all these older women out there are going crazy about a boy who they just want to tuck into bed at night and clean dirt off his cheek with a bit of spit and tissue.  And the teenage girls are barely hoping for more than a “OMG! HE LOOKED AT ME!”.  I seriously doubt anyone would be thinking of him the same way they would Brad Pitt.

      I’d be interested to know if you still had the same feelings about the situation if you watched a couple of Bieber interviews with males - I thought he was a nice kid when he was on Alan Carr (in the UK) a few weeks ago. 

      Certainly a massive preference to Miley Cyrus who spent the whole time talking about herself over the top of other people.  So perhaps listening to Miley prattle on about men might be okay if it means she’s not talking about herself.

    • steve says:

      07:28am | 05/05/10

      Watched a show on Fox, “to Catch a Predator” with the wife where men are seduced by sexually open comments on chat lines.  When invited to attend a meeting by the “fake girls” they are busted by the media and the police.  I thought “way to go” after seeing what degenerates wrote to my own daughter on a chat line, but I am also worried that society promotes the female equivalent.  They are called cougars because they hunt a specific prey, being young men or boys.  It is all too sick.

    • James says:

      07:53am | 05/05/10

      Well i think its completely natural for an adult woman or man to be sexually attracted to an adolescent. And yes, there is a physical and mental difference between and adolescent and a child in definition. The problem is that some people who like to push their moral opinions onto others like to grey that area between an adolescent/teenager and a child and say that its the same thing. But if that is correct, then an 11 year old child is the same as an 17 year old child, which it is not. I am the product of an age gap relationship, my father was 45 when he started dating my 16 year old mother and now i am an adult, i also have no whims about dating a 16 year old as i also see it completely natural as my father did. Interestingly after talking to both my mother and father about their relationship i asked them two questions. Did he find any resistance over their relationship and he said sure, there were a few people who didnt approve of it and some found it inappropriate, but we are not here to live for everyone else. Asking my mother she said he was the only man she ever deeply loved. The male version of a cougar is a silverfox. I have no moral issues obviously dating a teenager if she is mentally and physically mature for her age. I love women of all ages and the older they are the more baggage they seem to have so it makes sense to keep dating an adolescent an open option. Love doesnt discriminate against age, only people do. One thing to remember is that, it is completely natural for adults to be sexually attracted to adolescents and teenagers as long as it isnt ‘exclusive’. Children on the other hand, in my opinion are defined as pre-pubescent. The 0-13 year olds and rightly so the penalties for messing with them are correct. Feminism for the past 30 years has installed a fear into sons of mothers that if we look at teenage girls sexually we are some how going to turn into paedophiles. The bottom line is, us males were all a teenager once too and most of us had sex with teenage girls or what some people call children because we were sexually attracted to them. Just because we get older, that natural instinct doesnt magically go away. What are we supposed to do? Just suppress those feelings now we reach adulthood?

    • Andrew says:

      08:42am | 05/05/10

      I think it’s all a bit of a beat-up, even if it is a sick and inappropriate one. Katy Perry jokes about Bieber and lesbianism, but her real-life preference is much more alpha male. Real cougars are looking for men in their sexual peak (experienced, mid 20’s), not one about to grow his first pube who would be more likely to reenact the “webcam” scene from American Pie if actually placed in that situation. A comedian (and a female one at that) reportedly joked about Bindi Irwin so all it proves is no joke is truly off limits any more. Bieber is sending himself up pretending to be Eminem, and will make good $ for a year or so doing it. Then he will either turn into Corey, or Timberlake - not sure which yet.

    • Rachel says:

      08:47am | 05/05/10

      Ok, so Chelsea Handler played along a little, but it was obvious she was in no way actually interested in the boy.
      I don’t know a single adult (over 30) women who would be. Every woman that I mention it to just shudders slightly at the thought.
      Having read a few similar articles like this and their comments one thing comes out. There aren’t any comments from women who say they find him attractive. It’s just a media persona he’s created to get people talking. Adult women don’t actually fancy him.
      By contrast, a lot of adult men fancy teenage girls.

    • James says:

      09:24am | 05/05/10

      Rachel.. she may well be interested in him but she may be too afraid of the attention it could bring on her, and that is the problem. To come out and say yes lets go on a date takes courage but it also shows character that you can think for yourself and not be pressured by anyone pushing their beliefs onto you. After all, this is really all opinions between people with moral beliefs and more liberal minded people with natural instinct. Some people think abortion is morally wrong and some people believe that a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body, with who and when. And i agree with the later, naturally. wink

    • Ray says:

      02:00pm | 05/05/10

      Another classic Rachel. Who says men lust over teenage girls
      Another one of your surveys?

    • Carter says:

      09:13am | 05/05/10

      DOuble standards. If a 16 year old girl was attracting older men there’d be a Police investigation.

    • marley says:

      07:36pm | 05/05/10

      14 maybe, 16, not so sure.  but it’s sleezy, all the same.

 

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