The party’s over and the place is a mess.  A sober Mario Monti will be putting the house back into order, clearing the bottles away and scrubbing the carpet.

Ah yes, I can almost feel the emotion. Pic: Renee Nowytarger

Over the next few weeks he’ll probably still be finding knickers down the back of the couch and noticing disturbing stains on the ceiling.

Italy’s financial crisis forced Prime Minister Silvio “Bunga Bunga” Berlusconi to step down - to save the country by delivering it into the safer hands of the credible economist “Super Mario” Monti, whom people have quickly dubbed the “anti-Berlusconi”.

Even before the grappa spills had dried Berlusconi was hinting at a comeback.

And it may not be idle day-after-the-night-before chatter. Despite the sex scandals, the corruption allegations, the Prince Philip-esque gaffes, Berlusconi has managed to dominate Italian politics for almost 20 years with three stints in power, making him one of Italy’s longest serving Prime Ministers.

His popularity only started waning recently - and it took an alleged encounter with an underage prostitute to do it - showing the Italian public were quite prepared to indulge his peccadilloes. Up to a point.

Julia Gillard, who may end up with a fairly short stint in office, could learn a few lessons from the Book of Berlusconi.

She no doubt already looks at his media control with envious eyes.

There’s no need to host a vindictive media inquiry when you own newspapers and television stations yourself, and can use them to silence the media you don’t own.

While Gillard bleated at the Australian media to not “write crap”, Berlusconi was able to issue an edict to ministers to refuse to answer any gossipy questions about his spectacular sex life.

At least he’s up front.

There are plenty of “what not to do” lessons for Gillard in Berlusconi’s conduct. She would be well advised, for example, not to refer to Barack Obama when he arrives in Australia as “handsome, young and also sun-tanned”, an epithet Berlusconi also bestowed on an African priest. As long as nothing untoward happens, the upcoming visit will go down a treat for Labor, who’ll be hoping for plenty more photos showing the two leaders as the best of friends.

Gillard has already done quite well at avoiding sex scandals; the only recent blip on the radar involving an impersonator and an Australian flag was a far cry from infidelity and orgies and alleged sex with a young girl.

But there is an important lesson she can, and should, learn from the Playboy PM.

Berlusconi was consistently in the headlines for his outrageous comments and his sleazy behaviour, but at least he had passion and was unafraid to express raw, honest emotion.

Most of our politicians, and particularly Julia Gillard, are paralysed with fright at the idea they might be captured going ‘off message’, so they are reduced to drone-like walking press releases.

Gillard, who by all accounts is smart, warm, and likeable, manages to come across as the precise opposite – dull, cool, and annoying. Two examples spring to mind. During Cyclone Yasi Queensland Premier Anna Bligh’s distress was all the more evident in contrast to Gillard’s poker face.

When Gillard fronted the press she could as easily have been giving a speech at the opening of the new Nhill grocery store, or delivering a lecture on horizontal fiscal equalisation.

She was equally devoid of emotion when talking about the devastating betrayal of yet another Afghan soldier, who shot and wounded three Australian diggers last week. We wanted outrage, disgust, despair, burning fury. We got monotony. She said it was distressing, but didn’t seem distressed. She stayed on message: We must stay the course.

There’s a reason people were so fond of boozy, weepy Bob Hawke, and the almost always entertaining Paul Keating. It’s the same reason people love independents Nick Xenophon and Bob Katter. We don’t have to be in awe of our politicians, but Heaven forbid we are bored by them.

Boredom so easily turns to contempt, which – despite this week’s less-than-catastrophic poll results (see Greg Hunt and Daniel Piotrowski’s Punch pieces today for more on that) – Gillard seems to be a magnet for.

I’m not suggesting that Gillard needs to start insulting Islam, or bedding underage prostitutes, or annoying Queen Elizabeth – although frighteningly there may be votes in at least two of those.

But she could take a leaf out of Berlusconi’s book and show us just a bit of passion and personality.

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    • Super D says:

      05:18am | 15/11/11

      Berlusconi’s replacement by an unelected EU technocrat (and former Goldman Sachs employee) is a dangerous sign for democracy in Europe.

    • marley says:

      07:23am | 15/11/11

      Not really.  He’s only the PM, not the dictator - and he still has to deal with a fractious parliament.  Berlusconi himself, with his control of the media and manipulation of the courts, was much more of a threat.

    • Nathan says:

      07:30am | 15/11/11

      well not really when you still have Berlusconi sitting in the background threatening to take back power if the austerity measure go “to far” in his opinion. I would say Democracy is alive and well.

      Does not matter either way the guy still has allot of debt to manage with no money to pay it they are going down and with it the eurozone will follow

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:58am | 15/11/11

      Not really, we had an unelected PM change last term smile.

      Seriously guys, not really? The most powerful person in the country has not been elected by the people. I might have to re-check my definition of democracy, because to me, democracy is no longer functioning in Italy.

    • John says:

      08:03am | 15/11/11

      Can’t wait to see the Communist EU crumble and their backers the International Bankers! We can then have a celebration once we are liberated from this demonic spawn.

    • marley says:

      08:52am | 15/11/11

      @Adam D. - in Italy, as in Australia, parliament is the deciding authority.  And the Italian parliament has most definitely been elected.  That one member of its Cabinet has not, doesn’t really change that fundamental fact.

      There are all sorts of different models of democracy out there.  The American system, in which most members of Cabinet have not been elected is not less democratic than the Westminster model, in which most (but not necessarily all) members have been.  The Italian model of having some appointed Senators seems undemocratic to Australians, but not to Canadians or to Brits. That the Italian model is a bit dfferent, doesn’t mean it’s not democratic.

    • Markus says:

      08:58am | 15/11/11

      The EU was created Germany with the intention of establishing a Fourth Reich.
      Why take over Europe by military force, when you can just give all the countries enough financial rope to hang themselves with their own greed?

    • The Other Phil says:

      08:59am | 15/11/11

      @Super D - As much as it would be nice for people to see the kind of deeply entrenched links between global banks and politics that exist, even in Australia, I fear your concerns have fallen on deaf ears.

    • john says:

      09:23am | 15/11/11

      @John “Can’t wait to see the Communist EU crumble”

      dream on

      EU imports&exports; trade is bet. 1.3 - 2 quadrillion dollars, i.e 1000 trillion=1quadrillion.
      italy’s debt is 2 trillion,  greece about 320 billion.

      To put into perspective, Global sharemarket is worth about 36 trillion, total world debt is 43 trillion, CDS only about 28 trillion. Global derivatives market worth about 1.2 quadrillion.

      Total EU debt is less than the US.

      http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

      If just the EU trade values of its imports and exports is worth more than the entire global sharemarket, total global debt, CDS and derivative market combined. How can that be a basis from which the EU can crumble?

      Worst case scenario is that instead of Europeans buying a new 250K Mercedes 2 door sports coupé, they will have to settle for a VW golf, until they get more money in the piggy bank.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:58am | 15/11/11

      @ Marley, if we accept your premise, then why change the PM at all? Don’t forget that 1 member who has not been elected just happens to be the most powerful and influencial.

      “different models of democracy”
      There are different models of political structures but democracy IMO opinion remains a constant. What happened in Italy isn’t even close.

    • Dave says:

      11:38am | 15/11/11

      Super D, Berlusconi controls almost all of the media in Italy and he has used that to devastating effect to shut down most important discussions and turn tv in Italy into tits and arse junk. Thats why most of the serious problems in Italy have never been addressed. Why bother when you can just run your tv stations and bunga bunga? Berlusconi was the danger to democracy in Italy and still is. Monti is a vast improvement, but its a first step. The real lesson is the extent of the media control concentration there.

    • marley says:

      12:06pm | 15/11/11

      @AdamDiver - changing leaders midstream is not unknown. l seem to recall it happening here not so long ago.  Yet no one with any sense would argue that replacing Rudd with Gillard was undemocratic;  once he lost the confidence of the House, he had to go.  That’s pretty much what’s happened in Italy. 

      And, regardless of how he got there, Monti is a member of their Parliament and perfectly eligible to sit in Cabinet. So, if their Parliament has confidence in Monti, surely that’s all that’s required.

    • Adam Diver says:

      12:29pm | 15/11/11

      @ Marley, if he is drawn from parliament then its business as usual, but I was under the understanding he was not an elected politician. Being unfamiliar with the Italian system of goverfnance I need clarification on his “lifetime senator” status and what that means.

      If its anything like our system I don’t want Bob Brown or Mark Arbib taking over from Gillard should she lead us to economic ruin.

    • marley says:

      12:57pm | 15/11/11

      @AdamD - as I understand it, the Italian Senate is mostly elected, but from time to time the President appoints some eminent person as a “life Senator.”  It’s somewhat akin to being appointed to the British House of Lords.  And Senators, there as here, can sit in Cabinet.

      I’m not saying the situation is ideal, by the way, just that I don’t think it’s quite as blatant a threat to democracy as you fear. 

      And I don’t think Brown or Arbib would survive the basic test of showing they have the confidence of the House.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:40am | 15/11/11

      The problem with Gillard is that she doesn’t care about anyone. In both her professional and private life, she only cares about herself and how much power she can get. The passion you speak off does not exist, the soulless selfishness is all that is present in her. She back stabbed Rudd and sold out Australia to the Greens, she can’t change that and that will define her forever as a person and politician (and I use the term loosely) - pure legacy of shame. Personality? Which one? Real or fake? wink

    • Nathan says:

      07:24am | 15/11/11

      Duck duck goose your it champ. This is an example of a terrible leader who has bankrupted his country to the point of collapse and you want personalty

    • Pete says:

      07:44am | 15/11/11

      Sorry mate I think that’s all rubbish, I think she cares a lot, maybe not about your particular brand of politics, but about Australia in general yes…she’s in public office serving her country for God’s sake and the pay’s not that great.

      how you can make a such statement and believe it is beyond me..

    • john says:

      07:55am | 15/11/11

      Wrong again nathan, its the generation that created the plasma babies that bankrupted this country. 7k to pop out a kid and all the trappings for “working families”  that politicians needed to supply win votes.

      Who wouldn’t sell there arse to start a family in this welfare loaded country?...now get back to work they need your taxes so they can fornicate to pop out another.

    • john says:

      08:01am | 15/11/11

      @Pete she can’t be too caring if she now wants to dig up excuses to sell U235 to a non signatory of the NPT.

      Are we back to asking which witch is which with the fake or real Julia?

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:08am | 15/11/11

      @ Pete

      “how you can make a such statement and believe it is beyond me.. “

      Your both just guessing, so don’t be a hypocrite.

      Personally I believe she has good intentions, but IMO these manifest themselves in poor areas creating worse consequences, and that she has no idea what matters to people anymore, she is completely distant to the average Australian.

      Her focus is completely on the politics, rather than the policies, and she is consumed by trivial matters.

      Although that is just my opinion from observation, and its consequential, her professional life is far more transparent and far more important in developing my opinion.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:11am | 15/11/11

      Pete

      she cares about her union buddies. Those that are not already in Parliament sucking on the tit of the Aussie taxpayer are lining up for their turn to do so and she will grease their way.

      She’s never had a real job; she went from union agitator to a legal mouthpiece for union agitators and then got parachuted into Lalor.  Unions and arguing for the sake of arguing are the only things she knows.

    • Nathan says:

      08:16am | 15/11/11

      @John
      You make it sound like we a poor country. No can prove to me that either of those incentives where wrong and didn’t help. Actually heard how Australia has simply implemented stimulus packages successfully.

      You may not like the idea of what they did but it is yet to be proven a bad thing

    • john says:

      08:40am | 15/11/11

      @nathan, those incentives are not appropriate now that the house {australia} is being mortgaged & swany wants to bring the budget into surplus.

      Its also not appropriate when manufacturing will become extinct with free trade agreements being agreed to recently where cheap imports will swamp this country. The manufacturing void will have to filled with more welfare.

      Either we go into more deficit, or more mining royalties. If the chinese economy goes for a soft landing the taxes wont be there to cover it. Is that the real reason why Gillard wants to sell U235 to india?

    • Andee says:

      08:50am | 15/11/11

      You got it , ATM . Gillard and ” me now me now, me always”.
      She was a bad choice for PM. She leaves the power brokers of the ALP in a tough spot. hahahahaha

    • John A Neve says:

      12:27pm | 15/11/11

      Andee,
      Tell us why “she was a bad choice for PM”?
      She,after all, was chosen by the people who know her best, tell us who you would have chosen and why?
      Seriously, you are full of crap.

    • old fart says:

      01:14pm | 15/11/11

      so you know this do you? like, you are in the loop? I think not.  Quiet frankly, I think we will all find one day that we had a PM that was a quiet achiever and yes she made a couple of mistakes and she suffered the personal attacks with a silent dignity, never once replying to them, no matter how personal they got. 
      Your pseudonym says it all about your comments and definitely says it all about the personal attack Abbott mounts, in a desperate bid to get rid of someone more capable than he.

    • Joan says:

      01:17pm | 15/11/11

      I guess Swan sums up Gillard perrrrrrrfectly ` Tough as nails`. Gillard spent her youth hardening up writing manifestos at commie Social Forum- spending her days with the grim, hardened , embittered commies grizzling the days away.  No wonder she has turned out the way she is.- `hard as nails`. Be careful of the company you keep particularly.in your youth.  Berlusconi had more colourful university spare time experience- as cruise ship crooner, bass player and writer of Neapolitan songs.  Early days the building blocks of the person they are in later life.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:52pm | 15/11/11

      John A Neve caught out in another LIE. If the people chose her she would be the PM of a MAJORITY ALP government. She sold out Australia to the Greens for power! HaHa John A is a Liar, Liar Pants on Fire smile

    • John A Neve says:

      03:55pm | 15/11/11

      AtM,
      Sadly, talking to you is rather like training a dog. It’s all done by rote, so listen and listen well, if you are good I’ll give you a reward ( sorry for that, I sound like Tony).
      Julia is the PM of our parliament, elected by the people’s elected representatives, no different to any other split party government e,g Howard’s coalition.
      You AtM are a bare faced lie and I’d love to meet you face to face.

    • DC says:

      04:47pm | 15/11/11

      Compared to Abbott who will do anything including selling his own arse to become PM?

    • acotrel says:

      06:14am | 15/11/11

      I wondered about the similarity of the political agenda in both Italy and Greece, when I was there in 2008.  In both countries there were vocal protests about the government corporatising the universities. Perhaps there were entrenched two speed economies in both countries ?

    • marley says:

      07:57am | 15/11/11

      @acotrel - the similarity of the political agenda?  Such as? 

      Italy, for all its faults, actually has an industrial base - it makes things.  Greece doesn’t.  The economies are very different. And what on earth does a two-speed economy have to do with corporatising universities?

    • Alf says:

      08:06am | 15/11/11

      @acotrel. “Perhaps there were entrenched two speed economies in both countries ? “

      They were one speed - practically not moving. But this does show your grasp on economics acotrel.

    • old fart says:

      01:18pm | 15/11/11

      I can understand germans getting upset by greeks, the germans work their butts off till age 65 and greeks retire before 60, the aged pension was a growth industry being propped up by the EU.  But at the bottom of it all were some greedy banks bending rules like they did in america

    • Esteban says:

      02:36pm | 15/11/11

      Old fart. It is easy to over play the role of the banks. The banks are a false bottom.

      At the bottom of it you have Governments who record budget deficits year after year and make up the difference by borrowing it.

      At some point that strategy will fail. Usually when you have borrowed so much you are no longer as credit worthy. You have to pay higher interest on your borrowings to reflect the higher risk you have become.

      Ultimately the people have to take responsibility because they did not elect canidates who promised to start recording surplusses and pay back some of the debt left by years and years of deficits. Ironically it is the lefty loony handout junkies who squeal and protest the most when cuts have to be made that are more likely to elect a deficit running Government.

      Bank bailouts and wasted stimulas monies have been heaped on a massive pile of debt that was already there.

    • ronny jonny says:

      06:18am | 15/11/11

      I thought we were already being treated to the “Real Julia”. I think you are looking for hidden depths in very shallow water.

    • Tanya says:

      06:22am | 15/11/11

      Julia Gillard maintains the monotone and poker face in anticipation of the backlash she inevitably receives because just about every issue and policy she delivers on is subject to divided opinion. If she was emotive, particularly about the soldiers in Afghanistan, the public and media response would be ‘you keep them there.’ It is a kind of Lindy Chamberlain syndrome.

      Premier Anna Bligh was distressed during cyclone Yasi because she had sent the state broke and didn’t know how she’d pay for it.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      08:11am | 15/11/11

      @Tanya, I’d like to add that Blighs’ media tart shock jock style, was like a giant neon light stating the obvious over and over and over,,,,,, she single handedly made sure people were horrified enough to stay away in their droves even well after the floods and cyclone.
      It realy beats the hell out of me how some people saw this as “leadership"when she had the time to go away for a planned mag story and photo shoot with a makeover.
      On the monotone note I reckon it’s a photo finish between Brown, Milne, and Gilard depending wich way the wind blows on the day and wich Julia is actually speaking/honking.

    • Aussie says:

      09:33am | 15/11/11

      We all know how the floods are being paid, don’t we?
      A levy, after we all donated to our brothers and sisters in QLD.
      But lets not just levy the same amount on everyone, lets use this as an opportunity to redistribute wealth and promote Labor’s socialist agenda.
      F##K OFF LABOR.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:25am | 15/11/11

      @Govt@FauxCitizen

      And . . . uhm . . . (lip smack) . . . . uhm . . . Abbott . . .  is uh . . . uhm . . . (lip smack) . . . . great . . . uhm . . . .uhm . . . (lip smack + head wobble)  . . .uh . . . uhm . . . orator.

    • Samantha says:

      11:12am | 15/11/11

      Blind Freddy is the original ALP idiot. Blind? Maybe brain damaged as well based on your comments.

    • Ron Vincent says:

      04:09pm | 15/11/11

      Great comment Blind Freddy. Find yourself a quiet corner and give yourself an uppercut. BUT get someone to hold your jaw because if your aim is as good as your comment, your sure to miss and hit the wall.

    • Alf says:

      06:47am | 15/11/11

      The difference between Belrusconi and Gillard is - he took rooting a country a literal step further.

    • MarkS says:

      11:00am | 15/11/11

      At least we can be certain that Belrusconi knew how to organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of euros.

    • Fiddler says:

      06:47am | 15/11/11

      I have thrown my hat in the ring for Silvio’s job. But only if he leaves the strippers in the office when he moves out.

    • Brad McT says:

      06:57am | 15/11/11

      Doesn’t matter anymore. The ALP will lose the next few elections with ease. Rudd, Stephen Smith, Bill Shorten will not be able to save Labor. Julia has done some serious damage to Labor and there is no way to undo it now. Labor just has to sit back and except the palliative care that is to be given to their party. Makes you wonder if Julia should come with plain packaging.

    • Nathan says:

      08:06am | 15/11/11

      i really like what you said about Italy and Berlusconi there

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:01am | 15/11/11

      Why would she care?  Despite everyone’s best goes on here to paint any and all politicians as evil, heartless bastards, we keep voting for them.

      It’s like why the Chicago Cubs keep playing crap baseball.  The still sell out Wrigley Field every time they play.  Why on earth change?

      Life is a lesson in balancing what’s right with what works.  Julia’s Prime Minister; something she must have always aspired to be.  She’s (going to try to) set herself up to pull in front just before the next election late in 2013.  Even if she doesn’t get in, she’s set financially etc for life; what exactly would she gain from changing anything at this point?

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      07:07am | 15/11/11

      I could care less about Gillard’s emotional spectrum. If she has otherwise she can save it for Tim during shedtime. And I think that she would be pushing her own political agenda, as she is, regardless of the political balance in parliament. But I hope she appears emotionally frozen because she’s scared out of her wits.  She is dangerous for Australia (and was no improvement on Rudd as we now know).  I think that her media inquiry demonstrates precisely what she is made of and thinks of voters, as well as the media itself. A very patronising attitude. And the whole idea of trying to clamp down on the media is incredibly naive. She may throttle the press but the horse has bolted. The internet is here to stay and she cannot stifle all of us. And we all have about the same access to most information as she and her mates/advisors.  We need a good manager in 2011 and beyond, not a celebrity ‘personality’ or even a charismatic leader. Most voters have as much or much more qualifications than politicians so we’re not hapless children who need to be told “to eat your vegetables”. How patronising is she!

    • VVS says:

      08:02am | 15/11/11

      Unpopular people always think everyone is out to get them… Gillard is no different.

    • RyaN says:

      12:52pm | 15/11/11

      “The internet is here to stay and she cannot stifle all of us” clearly you haven’t heard of Stephen Conroys internet filter! They can filter out content critical of the government once it is in place, now consider something they have total control of while thinking about the “media inquiry”.

      These controls and measures being put in place to control all forms of information to the people is intentional, its what communists do.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      07:11am | 15/11/11

      Hi Tory,

      Life has definitely been a lot of parties & fun for Mr Berlusconi!!  Personally speaking,  I can not say the same thing for the Italian Voters, sadly!!  I am just curious to know though, how he could act so carelessly as a Leader of a nation??  Of course, he happens to be a very wealthy man, he could afford that kind of life style & all those parties!! Does it also mean that his people have been very forgiving towards Mr Berlusconi, time and time again?

      I just have say that all good things must come to an end!!  The real question remains to be “how will he be remembered by the Italians”?? But of course no guilt, shame or regrets on his part, I presume!!  But surely, he must have done some goods things in order to better the lives of ordinary Italians.  Italians should try very hard to think back to the good old days, if there were many & any at all!!

      I personally think that he will be remembered for his free spirit & his special needs to party all the time.  Somehow, he did manage to get the Italians to vote for him, term after term with all the scandals surrounding him!  Now that is a special quality not every one can possess & use to their advantage or disadvantage as the case may be. 

      All that must be because of his carefree, charming & fun attitude towards his political & personal life!!  But unfortunately, there were no clear lines & boundaries between the two!!  A special arrivederci & addios to a larger than life personality Mr Berlusconi.  Best regards to your editors.

    • rb says:

      09:57am | 15/11/11

      I’ll remember him with a messed up face after making contact with a souvenir.

    • mick says:

      07:28am | 15/11/11

      “Gillard has already done quite well at avoiding sex scandals”.  A clear example of the media “writing crap” when you read this sort of thing.  Instead of attacking a public figure who comes across poorly perhaps concentrate on policies and where the country is compared to other nations.  On this basis Gillard appears to be going ok, despite the controversy about the carbon tax which will play out one way or the other in the next 2 years.

      It is fundamentally wrong to continue laying into a prime minister who, although inept, is trying to improve the lot of working Australians.  The alternative, although wonderful for the very well to do, will see average Australians decimated.

    • Mr GG says:

      10:21am | 15/11/11

      Agreed.
      the media beat up is pretty bad. And not one person has told me why/how a tax of approx 6% on limited goods is going to be so much more devastating then a 10% GST??
      I wish more Aussies actually paid attention in school because really basic mathematics says the carbon tax impact has to be less than the GST because it is a lower percentage and on a more limited group of goods and services.

    • AdamC says:

      10:44am | 15/11/11

      Oh please, Mr GG. The GST was part of a tax reform that cut income taxes and made Australia’s tax system more competitive and efficient. By contrast, the carbon tax is intended to increase costs for the sake of reducing emissions, even though these reductions (being isolated to Australia) will have no impact on climate change.

      The GST also removed the wholesale sales taxes that attached to some exports, thereby boosting the competitiveness of our exporters. Meanwhile, Gillard has spent some of the funds she should have used to compensate trade exposed industries for the effects of the carbon tax to instead pay off pensioners and others in order to sell her toxic tax. This puts Australian industries at a disadvantage compared to their overseas peers.

      So, the carbon tax and GST really aren’t comparable on any level, despite the best propaganda of Labor’s sycophantic media cheerleaders. And, again despite the best efforts of the ALP deception machine, I believe that the Australian public are smart enough to understand that.

    • Hamish says:

      12:13pm | 15/11/11

      Someone should do a psychology PHD on Labor Party supporters’ obsession with the GST. Are they so obsessed because it was originally their idea and then they pretended not to support it and now they just look pretty stupid? Is it because it allows them (with their limited understanding of what misleading the public actually is) to claim that John Howard was a liar? Or is it because they simply don’t understand that the GST wasn’t actually an extra 10% on everything, but was a key plank in a major taxation reform which reduced taxes in many areas and produced a much more streamlined and easy to administer system?

    • mick says:

      12:55pm | 15/11/11

      Correct observations about the GST.  The good thing about the tax was that the wealthy had no way of getting out of paying some tax which many could otherwise avoid through tax minimisation schemes.

      The arguments regarding the carbon tax appear premature.  The jury is still out. 

      The spin about it not making a difference is the rhetoric set loose by the big end of town which does not want to pay to pollute.  Although the big polluters will pass on this tax the result is that the ‘dirty’ products will become less competitive and cleaner technologies will start to take off.  A win win if it works out this way.  What this government has to be careful of is that international criminals who are already eyeing off the rorts are not successful in their ‘business’ ventures.

      Thought this was about Gillard vs Italian ex prime.  Important that reporters be fair and not start a mud slanging stampede.  My point.  Lets talk policies, not hate and vilification.

    • AdamC says:

      01:10pm | 15/11/11

      “The spin about it not making a difference is the rhetoric set loose by the big end of town which does not want to pay to pollute.”

      Er, Mick, it is a fact that Australia’s carbon tax will not have any impact on climate change. Statements of reality are not ‘spin’, tactics such as likening the GST to the carbon tax are, however.

      Hamish, I know, it’s bizarre. I think it is partially because of the hostile attitude Beazley took to the GST. For him, of course, it was a purely strategic, political decision, but many of the more credulous Labor supporters seemed to take it to heart.

    • TimB says:

      02:21pm | 15/11/11

      “Although the big polluters will pass on this tax the result is that the ‘dirty’ products will become less competitive and cleaner technologies will start to take off”

      Mick, if clean technologies were so great then they should be able to take off on their own. A tax isn’t necessary. No-one had to tax horses, )or more accurately horse ‘emissions’ (manure)) in order for the motor vehiche to succeed. 

      “It is fundamentally wrong to continue laying into a prime minister who, although inept, is trying to improve the lot of working Australians”

      Disagree. Even if you accept that she is ‘trying to improve the lot of working Australians’ , so what? She’s the PM. She doesn’t get a gold star and a pat on the head simply for ‘trying’. We want results.

      You admit she’s inept. And you can be damn sure we’re going to treat her that way. If that means ‘laying into’ her and decrying her ineptness to the heavens, then so be it. As I said, she’s the PM, not a child to be coddled.

    • CiscoKid says:

      07:53am | 15/11/11

      Tory regardless of the mess that respective prime ministers of Greece and Italy ,who have allowed their countries to get in the mess they are in,I have to ask a question.Now I’m not all that savvy on world politics but let me see if i can explain my question.Firstly as i understand that both of these Prime Ministers have been replaced basically by the European Economic Committee because future funding for both these countries from the International Money Fund depends on a new government to be formed ,well that’s how i see it, i may be wrong .Now if that is correct, to my question. Is this the emergence of the IMF World Government ,that was predicted many years ago ,when the IMF was formed.It certainly has sinister tones about the whole affair.

    • Christine says:

      08:08am | 15/11/11

      What a crock of shite?  I can’t believe that a female would in any way praise any actions of Berlusconi’s let alone ask an Australian politician to act that way.  He is a disgusting pig who used his power in a disgraceful, dishonest way.  Even Tony Abbott draws the line at that.

    • Babs of Sydney says:

      09:10am | 15/11/11

      STOP - Christine wins the prize - Mentioning Tony Abbott in a completely unrelated post.  Christine there is a story about a hippo killing its owner - I’m sure you can squeeze Tony Abbott into a comment about that as well.

    • HOK says:

      12:34pm | 15/11/11

      @Babs - I don’t think Christine read the story in it’s entirety. Maybe just the headline?  It’s good to know feminism is alive and well, though.

    • Anubis says:

      08:19am | 15/11/11

      Gillard’s recent improvement in the polls has absolutely nothing to do with her (in)competency or anything that her ridiculous Government is or isn’t doing. The major driver for her gain is the “Halo Effect”. Hanging out with the Queen and managing the G20 in a reasonable manner produced the Halo Effect. Similarly, she will probably see a boost in popularity during the Obama visit. In the same way that Anna Bligh(t) will receive a poll boost with the recent announcement of the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games winning bid.

    • Matthew says:

      08:28am | 15/11/11

      I’m still not convinced. I think we have enough passion for self gratification in our society as it is. Indeed I would rather reflect on why large parts of society empathise with individuals such as Berlusconi, Alan Joyce or Rupert Murdoch. By nature of the pie analogy, we are identifying with those who obtain more than their fair share while all the while knowing in the back of our minds that the path to such immense personal wealth and power is seldom victimless.

    • I hate pies says:

      10:55am | 15/11/11

      How do you define “fair” share? Is it based on education, hours worked, risk or responsibility? Or is it based on the notion that everyone should have the same amount of money regardless of the above factors?

    • Matthew says:

      04:13pm | 15/11/11

      Hi ‘I hate pies’, I mean that anyone who is just grossly outstandingly rich above any need or indeed value. ie Berlusconi is over-rich (I haven’t researched his acquisition of wealth), I believe that any CEO who didn’t start or significantly build their respective company is not worth multimillion dollar salary (ie Alan Joyce, share price of Qantas has tanked completely - how has he earned a huge pay packet?) and I believe Rupert Murdoch is over-rich (and somehow retains total voting control of News while only owning 13% of the stock). Don’t get me wrong, I am not taking aim at people with good jobs who are paid well for their effort. It’s just that some pay is not commensurate with effort or importance. If an individual starts a company from the ground up and maintains ownership of that company - they can pay themselves whatever they want, it burns me up that some employees who step into established organisations and do very little other than maintain performance (or worse see it go backwards) still get ridiculous pay. I am also opposed to the idea of bonus for good performance without penalties for poor performance. I think too many people look at greedy individuals and aspire to be like them, which I don’t think is healthy. Most of the time these greedy people leave a trail of destruction along their path to ‘success’.

    • Alf says:

      05:47pm | 15/11/11

      @Matthew.

      WTF is “over-rich”? You will have to explain, I don’t have a copy of your little red book handy.

    • I hate pies...but I sort of agree with Matthew says:

      05:51pm | 15/11/11

      Matthew, you must love Sol Trujillo then?

    • Angry Local says:

      08:29am | 15/11/11

      You seem to have forgotten the time she destroyed Craig Emerson’s marraige? No scandal there?

    • Erick says:

      10:42am | 15/11/11

      @Angry Local - “You seem to have forgotten the time she destroyed Craig Emerson’s marraige? No scandal there?”

      Sleeping with a client who was later busted for defrauding his own union - Nope, no sex scandal there, either.

    • I hate pies says:

      11:04am | 15/11/11

      Shhh, we’re not allowed to talk about that, or her relationship with the dodgy union official.
      To deflect we should focus on Tony Abbott’s relationship with women. He is a dinosaur - married with children - what an outdated concept; he must definitely hate women.
      If the women angle doesn’t work, go for his religion. He’s only a catholic - we can go as hard as we want on them. Funny how it’s no longer bigoted to attack catholics hey? Anywho, bugger the irony - we’re on the left, so we’ve got the moral high ground!

    • Anna C says:

      08:32am | 15/11/11

      What the hell are you guys talking about here? Gillard has already taken a leaf out of Berlusconi’s book and is doing to the Australian people what Berlusconi did at his Bunga Bunga parties.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      08:36am | 15/11/11

      The most passionate and personable Gillard attributes are telling lies and implementing new taxes .
      Something about the way the P.M. goes about those two matters tells us that she derives some kind of sadistic pleasure from the electorate’s screams of rage and suffering.

    • Red says:

      09:26am | 15/11/11

      Is that you Warren?
      BTW the wingnuts in the US could fix the world’s problems by letting Obama increasing taxes. My financial advisor told me so.
      Have you ever pondered the philosophical conundrum - are you telling a lie if you break a promise?

    • Johhn A Neve says:

      12:32pm | 15/11/11

      The Galah (Wayne),
      Seeing as you have raised the issue, tell us how the electorate is “suffering”?

    • Winston says:

      08:41am | 15/11/11

      “Gillard has already done quite well at avoiding sex scandals.” Really?  What an odd thing to write.  There is no question in any sane mind that anything adventurous happens within the walls of The Lodge.  She wouldn’e even wrinkle the sheets.  And what an odd juxtaposition of Gillard and Berlusconi.  Thinking that Gillard could or should learn anything from this old-aged, oversexed momma’s boy is ludicrous in the extreme.  If you are concerned about Gillard’s perceived lack of warmth, a better comparison would be Bob Hawke, or perhaps Peter Beattie.
      As for the connection between Berlusconi’s media empire and our media enquiry, it is at best tenuous.  Perahps you should have listend more attentively to Gillard when she berated (it was not “bleated”) journalists for writing “crap” and take her advice.

    • Mark says:

      09:23am | 15/11/11

      Naive people make naive choices my friends and Australian politicians are no exception. All I see from this PM is a self centred wench trying to please everyone because she commands no real power or presence. The current batch of “leaders” are only in it for the short term gains. This is caused by the Fundamental flaw of the two party “democratic” system in that elections are at least every 4 years. This breeds short sightedness and a need to produce results quickly. I don’t see any current politicians making a decision that will be relevant in 20 years, regardless of how much the media beat up the importance of policy differences.

    • Mark says:

      09:23am | 15/11/11

      Naive people make naive choices my friends and Australian politicians are no exception. All I see from this PM is a self centred wench trying to please everyone because she commands no real power or presence. The current batch of “leaders” are only in it for the short term gains. This is caused by the Fundamental flaw of the two party “democratic” system in that elections are at least every 4 years. This breeds short sightedness and a need to produce results quickly. I don’t see any current politicians making a decision that will be relevant in 20 years, regardless of how much the media beat up the importance of policy differences.

    • Richard M says:

      09:27am | 15/11/11

      Moderated out again, eh, Tory!  Just typical of the Aussie media - dishes out plenty of, usually harsh, shallow and unfair, criticism, but can’t abide any itself.  Don’t like the truth much, do you?

    • John Smythe says:

      10:34am | 15/11/11

      you too, huh?

    • Shane says:

      12:21pm | 15/11/11

      Gasp! Poor Richard M and John boo-hooing about their comments not being published.

      Cry me a fu**ing river. I’ve had the misfortune to read some of the bullsh*t that has actually been published under your internet names, so I can only imagine how pathetic your unpublished “opinions” are. There are no prizes for being the biggest dickhead online fellas so stop competing.

    • John Smythe says:

      02:22pm | 15/11/11

      lol wow..that was just such a contribution to the zeroes and ones of the interwebs! The content and demeanour of your post there actually proves my point.

      Care to enlighten me on some of the “bullshit”. Intelligent debates are welcome.

    • thatmosis says:

      09:35am | 15/11/11

      Blind Freddy, that is wrong, no wonder they threw him out if thats his taste in “women”. There is the fact that he wasnt wearing his glasses I suppose but really, Gillard as a sex object, the thought makes me want to upchuck.

    • rob says:

      09:43am | 15/11/11

      Be good to see Gillard in a bunga bunga party. She certainly has screwed Australia: the carbon tax will cost each of us one year of our working lives! What a terrible thing she has done, in bringing in the carbon tax, after promising that she wouldnt.

    • Red says:

      10:04am | 15/11/11

      Oh for goodness sake!
      You don’t really believe this do you Rob?
      That means the GST will cost three years of our working lives.

    • Mr GG says:

      10:45am | 15/11/11

      ??? will cost a year???
      where do you get that?

      it will cost you that if you are a big polluter currently profiting off destroying the environment but otherwise, how do you get that conclusion?

      And before you say you buy stuff think about it.. the biggest polluter are miners, they sell most of produce stuff overseas mainly to china. China then sells to the rest of the world so the Australian Carbon Tax is largely paid but other nations as our big polluters are also out big exporters.

      Basic Maths but of course the Aussie Media relies on the fact that Aussies are largely uneducated rabble, that quite apparently cant count.

    • Ben C says:

      11:50am | 15/11/11

      @ Mr GG

      That’s not exactly how it will work to start with - the big polluters will be compensated for the increase in compliance costs, and lower income earners will be compensated for the increase in prices. The only people paying the carbon tax are those on higher incomes, and does not take into account their actual carbon output.

      Even when it becomes an emissions trading scheme in 3 years time, you may find that the big polluters aren’t paying much at all if they source their credits from overseas traders undercutting Australian traders.

    • Tator says:

      08:02pm | 15/11/11

      MR GG,
      Rob was referring to the Treasury modelling which indicated a reduction in GDP of $1 trillion by 2050 due to the carbon tax/ETS.  Australia’s GDP is approximately $1 trillion currently.

    • Forgotten Australian Family says:

      09:48am | 15/11/11

      So it’s ok to exploit vulnerable young women as long as you do it passionately?

    • Carmen says:

      10:33am | 15/11/11

      Gillard’s problem is that she is a woman and has to walk that fine line between being professional, calm and in control and being branded as “emotionless” and being honest, emotional and being branded as “out of control”. She can’t win either way. Different standards are applied to women in power and because of that, she can’t win.

    • MarkS says:

      11:06am | 15/11/11

      Gillard’s advantage is that she is a woman, she gets a free ride. Male pollies & journo’s have to hang off or they are seen as woman bashing. While the feminist collective goes into bat for her. The only ones that can really let lose are female right wingers.

    • marley says:

      12:10pm | 15/11/11

      @MarkS - well, your theory certainly hasn’t panned out for Ms. Gillard so far.

    • boogie nights says:

      10:36am | 15/11/11

      I doubt Julia throwing sex parties would improve her standing

    • Ben C says:

      11:57am | 15/11/11

      That’d be because she wouldn’t be standing much during the party.

    • un-PC says:

      07:02am | 16/11/11

      LMFAO @ Ben C!!!

    • Claire says:

      10:56am | 15/11/11

      You need to realize Julia did not expect to be suddenly a powerful woman of Australia as PM. She just is still uncomfortable considering she was before very private person and let over lead you need to be patient and let grow as leader. It not an easy job especially the way she took the place of Kevin Rudd her boss. She must be very uncomfortable and feel uneasy she knows most voters might never forget her for that and the carbon tax if it really affect them in the long run. There is to many people telling her what to do and it pretty confusing for a first female federal leader.

    • Ben C says:

      12:02pm | 15/11/11

      “You need to realize Julia did not expect to be suddenly a powerful woman of Australia as PM.”

      You must have missed a lot of reading about the whole saga.

      Julia Gillard confronted Kevin Rudd about his numbers. She knew that she had the numbers behind her to take over the leadership, and issued a challenge to Rudd to call a leadership spill. The rest is history.

    • Not a joke says:

      11:09am | 15/11/11

      This crappy article is a typical example of a journalist playing with words and mixing up the latest media issues to get hits on this web site and get people talking by creating useless controversy.

    • jgm says:

      11:15am | 15/11/11

      Well, there is no doubt that Abbott and his negativity is finished. Julia has proven stoic and unmoveable in the face of relentless vicious, lying, mysoginist attacks from the Murdoch hate press. She has put through the carbon tax which will pave the way for a cleaner unpolluted world, she will push through a mining tax that will see the wealth of our country go to the people who deserve to have it, and not the internation companies who are raping our land, she has managed to govern with aplomb even with Abbott’s not negativity and swhe has manged to form a stable and visionary government with Brown and the other independents who, unlike Abbott and the liberals, truly seek the best for this country while Abbott will just do anything to be PM.

    • James Darby says:

      11:32am | 15/11/11

      Hi ‘Super D’ (1st Post) I agree. Likewise the Greeks appointing their current PM is similar to PM Gillard reappointing Peter Garrett to a newly formed ‘Wall and Roof Installations Dept.’

    • Bitten says:

      12:04pm | 15/11/11

      Eh. Or she could try, I don’t know, being actually good at her job. She’s an embarrassment. Any public appearance, any topic, what does our parrot PM do?

      “[insert random crap here such as dissolution of the eurozone/uranium mining/President Obama’s visit] is good for jobs and good for Australia.”

      For fark’s sake…

    • Claire says:

      12:32pm | 15/11/11

      I am happy for you Tory to let the people free to comment even if it is negative or positive. They are just concern you don’t want them to tell you only what you want to here. A good listen need to be positive too. Good on you I believe you will be a great reporter if you take this path. Being rude and trashing people is not the right path. Be a role model for young generation they need young people like. I know it does not relate to the article but I like the way you wrote the article. I am very proud of you. Nice people do succeed and move mountain.

    • Qpud says:

      03:26pm | 15/11/11

      Claire and Neslihan should hook up!

    • RyaN says:

      12:42pm | 15/11/11

      “Berlusconi could show Julia Gillard a thing or two”, not likely, even if she were the last woman on earth!

    • mick says:

      12:58pm | 15/11/11

      Oh by the way Tory I think Berlusconi has shown plenty of women “a thing or two” in his time.  Even eyed up the ranga recently. 

      Perhaps leave that one alone.

    • Shama says:

      01:41pm | 15/11/11

      What with Gaddafi dead and Silvio gone, bunga bungas could become extinct.  As they should.

      So I can’t believe The Punch is saying Julia should do a bunga bunga.

      Its all good though. Barack loves her.  He seems a lot less tacky than fake tan Silvio too so we can assume he has good taste.

    • Shirley says:

      02:27pm | 15/11/11

      I couldn’t agree with you more Tory. Every time she makes a speech she is reading off a piece of paper. She is robotic in everything she does. If she showed a little bit more emotion I might be fond of her. If she listened to the Australian people I might be more fond of her. Time to get rid of her once and for all.

    • scumbag says:

      03:24pm | 15/11/11

      Just what I want for Xmas, a robotic woman. Mrs bag won’t be pleased.

    • TheRaptured says:

      05:25pm | 15/11/11

      You have to think, what did the illuminati do her when she went to the US in march 2010, then came back and said carbon tax. I feel they put multiple demons into her. Look at her eyes now! They don’t care if you believe in christ or satan. They believe in satan and make decisions for this planet on there belief in satan. You cannot win! We are in the very last days! It is the quickening!

    • TheRaptured says:

      04:24pm | 15/11/11

      Tory Shepard says - to save the country by delivering it into the safer hands of the credible economist “Super Mario” Monti, whom people have quickly dubbed the “anti-Berlusconi”.

      Oh Tory, if only the other 90 percent of the population did not see the world, the way you do. Unfortunately for the ones that are Awake, we know who is the real Mario Monti. You silly little flouride head.

      Via: Reuters:
      Mario Monti, the economist who will head an emergency Italian government following the departure of Silvio Berlusconi, brings credentials earned in a decade of battles as a European Commissioner from the 1990s.

      He is chairman of the European branch of the Trilateral Commission, a body that brings together the power elites of the United States, Europe and Japan and is also a member of the secretive Bilderberg Group of business leaders and other “leading citizens”.

      He will destroy Italy in an austerity prison and sell all it remaining assets.

      Please, Please Tory, do some real reporting before doing these false miss information, presstitute articles. I know you can’t because you are just another organ of the globalist owned media. Fortunately for people like Assange, they have guts to expose these creatures who run this planet like a true journalist would, expose those who wish to hide, behind you lies and others.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      04:51pm | 15/11/11

      I think “silly little flouride head” wins comment of the day.

    • TheRaptured says:

      05:03pm | 15/11/11

      It adds spice though, Tory! Keep the articles up. Wrench out comments, good work!

    • Unsaved says:

      07:44pm | 15/11/11

      Berlusconi could show Julia Gillard a thing or two - yes and mostly bad things.
      Just because Berlusconi lasted in Italy doesn’t say 2 cents about how popular someone like him would be here.
      Yes Julia could show more emotion, but there’s a thing I’ve noticed amongst school children - they adore her. They know who she is and they like her. Julia must have something going for her, personality-wise.

      Berlusconi hid a lot from the public - they didn’t even know the real man.

      As far as the carbon tax goes, anyone who’d researched it knows it’s needed. And they’d also know that the Liberals would have brought in a scheme to reduce carbon as well. If people want to concentrate on Julia’s personality, then maybe they need someone more swarmy and slimy to sell them on the carbon tax’s merits - someone like Berlusconi.

    • Ray says:

      02:06pm | 16/11/11

      Berlusconi’s removal does not fix things. The Eurozone and the Euro problems in particular will not go away . They will continue to fester like persistent sores until these man-made disasters are undone. This will only come about when the Euro is disaggregated and member countries re-adopt their respective currencies.

      Julia has to reign in her over-spending, or else we could finishn in the same boat.. Unlike the Euro countries , Australia does not have any ‘partner’ countries to bail her out..

    • Pebbles says:

      03:29pm | 23/11/11

      Wowza, prbeolm solved like it never happened.

    • Said says:

      10:05am | 07/02/12

      From a jruono’s perspective, I’ve always found Gillard to be approachable but guarded in her answers. While interviewing her, one can’t help but notice the thought and consideration that goes into her answers. But I imagine that having a frank and open discussion with her about her personal life would not be easy.  I can’t think of a time where she has been out of line with Rudd, or been in the headlines for the wrong reasons (the ‘barren’ comments aside).Even before the election, she recieved brownie points for her eagerness to comment on certain issues and the level of accesibility for reporters, And that has been maintained to an extent today.But aside from the occasional vacuous comments about her fashion sense, she’s had a dream run so far.

 

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