The Australian health establishment has denounced a proposal for doctors to stop calling chronically overweight people obese and start calling them fat instead.

The idea is that calling people fat will have more emotional impact, effectively shaming them into doing something about their weight. Sorry to have to point this out but chronically obese people already get called fat, just usually not to their faces. Besides, many overweight people openly talk about themselves being a fat person.

Now the Royal Australian College of GPs says it is a rude and insulting term, preferring “obese” instead because patients should always be treated with respect.

“Doctors should always bring up the topic of being overweight because it is a major health problem, there’s no denying that. But it’s no excuse for bad manners,” said RACGP spokesman Dr Ronald McCoy.

Hang on - every medical professional I have seen in the past decade has been rude and insulting about my smoking. “It’ll kill you,” they’ll say bluntly. “You’ll leave your family behind. What will they do then? Now let’s have a look at that knee.”

Insulting smokers at any opportunity is a de facto policy of our health services.

If obesity is the ticking time bomb that the health establishment keeps saying it is, why not apply some of the same tactics that have worked against smokers?

Let’s be clear about two things: being rude to anyone about their appearance is the height of incivility, and there’s a distinction between someone who is overweight but at least does some exercise and watches their diet, and the person who is overweight and sits around all day chomping Doritos.

The core of what British Health Minister Anne Milton was driving at when she raised the idea of banning the use of the word “obese” by UK health services, was this: “If I look in the mirror and think I am obese I think I am less worried (than) if I think I am fat.”

To me it makes patent sense for doctors to encourage obese people to take ownership over their weight. Calling it “obesity” amounts to a diagnosis, as if it’s a medical condition afflicting the patient, rather than a matter of a lack of healthy diet and exercise.

But health professionals disagree. in the Herald Sun today Monash University sociologist Samantha Thomas says blaming and shaming overweight people did not motivate them to lose weight, according to research.

The word “fat” could be very stigmatising and research had shown this would push overweight people away, Dr Thomas said.

“You don’t create behaviour change by making people feel bad about themselves,” she said.

Surely that’s why those anti-smoking ads show a mother being told she has cancer and then has to go home and tell the kids. That couldn’t make any smoker with kids feel bad about themselves.

I’m sure “research” also showed at some point that putting pictures of gangrenous feet and cancerous pus being squeezed out of a bronchus would make smokers reach for the packet too.

Anti-smoking campaigning has traded on stigmatising and marginalising smokers. Most effective of all was the passive smoking movement. Every smoker has a story about sitting in a park having a durry only to be shrieked at by some uppity suburbanite 20 yards away asking if they would mind smoking somewhere else. Like China.

According to various surveys Australians are among the fattest people in the world. This has significant implications for public health services – diabetes, which is linked to poor diet and being overweight, is already rapidly rising. There is also a higher risk of heart disease and stroke, as with smoking.

Smoking an addiction which can be treated with medical help but it is also a lifestyle choice. We need to start talking about obesity in the same terms if we are to tackle it for the public health challenge that these politically correct medical professionals keep telling us it is.

Postscript: A visionary cross-portfolio national obesity strategy would be good grounds for a policy in the current election campaign. Fat chance?

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    • James1 says:

      10:38am | 30/07/10

      I don’t know how others perceive the use of such words, but to me there are degrees of “badness” (for want of a better word) when it comes to pointing out someone is overweight.  I had always thought that overweight was the least of these, and I tend to equate overweight with the word fat.  In my mind, it is far better to be called simply fat - as that can mean anything from a little overweight on up - than it is to be called obese, as this implies that a person is beyond fat, and is starting to get ridiculously big.  Especially considering that obese is the step before morbidly obese.  Personally, if I was fat, I would find the word obese far more confronting that the word fat.

    • DJ says:

      11:05am | 30/07/10

      Unless you call people disgustingly fat and they shouldn’t eat for a year lol

    • James1 says:

      11:28am | 30/07/10

      Its all in the choice of adjective, DJ.

    • DJ says:

      11:58am | 30/07/10

      True that

    • AdamC says:

      01:45pm | 30/07/10

      I agree, James1, I would regard being called fat as less bad than obese, simply because obese, to my uneducated, plebian mind, means, like, really fat. Obviously, you could call your patients roly-poly, stocky, husky or substantial, but at what point does being tactful become being ridiculous?

    • Reg says:

      07:07pm | 30/07/10

      It’s a scandal! What’s wrong with the thin getting equal time? But wait, fat and thin under 25s deserve even more attention, tie it to their car insurance rates and watch the kilograms come and go. Are the old entitled to be fat? I blame medication ‘cos dammit, it sure ain’t Kaiser Dark.

    • Brad Coward says:

      10:40am | 30/07/10

      Colgo…are you suggesting that we give political correctness the ” big A ” ?  Imagine having to revert to all of those nasty words that the language nazis have told us not to use because they cause offence.

      What a momentous day it will be when we can finally start calling a long handled digging implement a shovel, again !

    • Johnno says:

      10:52am | 30/07/10

      I too long for the day when we can again call a spade a spade.

      Then we can call the racist rednecks “racist rednecks” instead of “Australians concerned about boat people”.

    • James1 says:

      11:02am | 30/07/10

      Out of interest, Brad, what words would you like to see come back into usage again?  What are these words which political correctness does not allow you to use?  These are genuine questions, as I can not think of any, really.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      11:50am | 30/07/10

      “...These are genuine questions, as I can not think of any, really. ..”

      How about spastic?

      Refer to ‘Johnno’ above for example.

    • Brad Coward says:

      11:53am | 30/07/10

      Example, James…..in a cafe do I ask for a cup of white tea or a cup of tea without milk ?  Do I ask for a cup of black tea or a cup of tea without milk ?  Is there even the slightest likelihood that the waiter/waitress, rather than waitperson, will take offence and believe that the inclusion or exclusion of the beverage obtained from the udder of a cow, rather than milk, is a form of racism ?

      Today will my mail be delivered by the mailman/mailwoman, rather than postal delivery person ?

      If I need to contact the man/woman, rather than person, who represents my area on the Brisbane City Council, when speaking to that man/woman, rather than person, do I address the individual as Councillor rather than Alderman ?

      Just a few examples, James1.  Mild ones, but examples nonetheless.

      @Johnno….if name calling works for you, then I suppose you have to stick with what you know.

    • DJ says:

      12:42pm | 30/07/10

      I want to go back to singing nursery rhymes they way they were originally written, they are iconic and we should not have to teach our youngsters ‘Bah Bah Rainbow Sheep’ it’s ridiculous

    • Muttley says:

      12:42pm | 30/07/10

      Thats right Johhno. And the rest of us can stop talking about concerned Australians and start refering to the limp wristed apologist brigade. Works two ways old bean

    • Bitten says:

      01:07pm | 30/07/10

      @Muttley - shouldn’t that be ‘bean of advanced years’?

    • James1 says:

      01:24pm | 30/07/10

      Thanks Brad and Margaret.  In a similar vein to spastic, I often have trouble with retarded.

      As for the tea example, Brad, it turns out I have been un-PC for years.  I always take my coffee black, and when ordering at cafes I ask for a long black (as per their menus).

    • Matthew says:

      01:29pm | 30/07/10

      Brad, I just call the person who delivers the mail the “postie”

    • Ish says:

      01:38pm | 30/07/10

      Who on earth is stopping you from say black/white tea or even coffee for that matter? I don’t think I’ve ever heard waitperson used in normal conversation, similar to mailman/woman…to me they’re a postie no matter their gender.

      I also have never heard any child singing about rainbow sheep. My daughter is in pre-school and happily sings Bah Bah Black Sheep and Humpty Dumpty and Three Blind Mice etc.

      Untie the knot in your knickers and go about your business.

    • DGC says:

      01:44pm | 30/07/10

      Johnno says:10:52am | 30/07/10

      I too long for the day when we can again call a spade a spade.

      Then we can call the racist rednecks “racist rednecks” instead of “Australians concerned about boat people”.


      Johnno, just because I think that these queue jumpers are cheating the system doesn’t make me racist. I just feel there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. There are thousands of legitimate people waiting patiently for their turn to be processed, and every time another boat load rock up they have to wait another month before they can come into our great country.

    • AdamC says:

      01:58pm | 30/07/10

      Actually, I have always thought the PC freaks stopped lecturing people about the importance of using terms like ‘waitperson’ when they discovered asylum-seekers. Much better to claim that you are shielding vulnerable people from the ignorant prejudices of racist rednecks (Johnno, obviously you don’t read newspapers or watch interviews with Julian Burnside) than rail against the evils of the word ‘actress’.

    • wally the worker says:

      04:11pm | 30/07/10

      Q.) When is a chair not a chair. A.) When it’s the head of a corporation or a committee.

    • Nafe says:

      10:41am | 30/07/10

      My Dr already is onto this issue. I’m not a small lad, at 105kg and 6ft, i’m overweight / Fat. Everytime i go to the Dr, He checks my height, Weight and calculates my BMI. He tells me straight, Your young and should be fighting fit but your fat.. these are the things you should be focussing on and this is the weight you need to aim for. 

      I have lost 10kg since my Dr started this, with 15 more to go to get to where he said i should be at a maximum. (and i do agree) So this tact works and next time i go to the Dr, i want to show him improvement so it keeps me honest..

    • AL says:

      10:08am | 05/08/10

      This should be encouraged, well done.

    • Tom says:

      10:43am | 30/07/10

      Good article. What infuriates me is the rise of ‘fat rights’ campaigners. I heard one say a while ago that she hoped one day discrimination of fat people would be looked upon the same way as racism or sexism. Last time I checked you can’t choose your race or sex…The gall of these people is unbelievable. To attempt to liken their condition to genuinely disadvantaged groups is a disgrace.

    • casey. says:

      11:22am | 30/07/10

      lolol You just referred to race and sex as disadvantaged groups. You are idiot, incarnate.

      But I agree in principle.

    • Chinaski says:

      01:27pm | 30/07/10

      Tom if you had just left out that last sentance you would have sounded very intelligent.

      that being said, I too am sick of “fat rights” campaigners. Not to say I’m against a healthy body image - I enjoy a woman with curves - but when you are over 160kg and proud of not being able to fit in to anything other than a muu-muu, then maybe you should readdress your diet and exercise routines.

    • BooHoo says:

      05:30pm | 30/07/10

      I agree - these people are a drain on the rest of us who say “no” to every second helping or fifth chocolate bar for the day. These “fat rights” campaigners have no basis for their campaign. One is not born “fat”. Fatness is cultivated by indulging themselves in whatever their eyes feast upon.

      Fat children are the product of parents who never say “no” - the cruelest form of child abuse and the least accountable. Parents who are too afraid of their own children; too afraid of a tantrum; too afraid of losing their children’s love, that they cannot bring themselves to deny every sweet that the child demands.

      In this way, these “parents” are developing adults who have no self discipline or conscience about life choices. Fat Rights is a complete cop - out. It’s simply a matter of blaming their situation on “someone” else - in this case the rest of society for not giving them the glamour job they envy or the bigger seat on the bus.

    • Vicki PS says:

      11:19am | 31/07/10

      You lot have just amply demonstrated why “Fat Rights” campaigners (if there are in fact such beasts) are needed.  Clearly, smug self-congratulatory types such as your good selves still need reminding that people are not defined by one characteristic.  Tom and BooHoo, I particularly liked the way you slipped in “these people”—you must have a wicked sense of irony.
      For the benefit of fatheads, let me explain that fat people simply want you to pull your head in and stop the gratuitous abuse.  My being fat does not excuse your hostility and rudeness.  As far as pride goes, I feel quite entitled to have personal pride and dignity: this is NOT the same as being proud of my fat.

      Heigh-ho, if you lot still insist on calling the likes of me self-indulgent abusive cop-outs, then I’m sure you have no objection to me calling you shallow, self-absorbed wankers, will you?

    • Tim says:

      10:45am | 30/07/10

      George Carlin punctured this one nicely:

      “I use the word “fat.” I use that word because that’s what people are: they’re fat. They’re not bulky; they’re not large, chunky, hefty or plump. And they’re not big-boned. Dinosaurs were big-boned. These people are not overweight: this term somehow implies there is some correct weight… There is no correct weight. Heavy is also a misleading term. An aircraft carrier is heavy; it’s not fat. Only people are fat, and that’s what fat people are! They’re fat!”

    • Lucius says:

      10:48am | 30/07/10

      How did being hard on smokers work? Cigarettes are still readily available and people are still buying them, and every single day I go to work and go home I see dozens of smokers (some of whom still continue to smoke in people’s faces). If being hard on smokers really worked they wouldn’t smoke. Paul, you’re lack of both intelligence and understanding is also showing; Smoking and nicotine is highly addictive due to the chemicals in the product, while overeating is more of a psychological issue involving a person’s state of mine and their need to overeat to compensate for an emotional state. The unintelligent of society like to put people being “fat” to them being “lazy” (oh what an easy excuse), but most researchers in the field of obesity admit that obesity is more of a consequence of their psychological well being - the same as drinking alcohol or taking drugs (which most skinny and average sized people do). And Paul, if you think FAT is a more offensive word than OBESE you are kidding yourself.

    • Markus says:

      11:52am | 30/07/10

      Smoking rates among men were at about 70% in 1945, down to 21% in 2007. Even from 1980 they have halved from 40%.
      Are these not fairly impressive numbers? The same cannot be said for the ever-increasing obesity rates in this country. Clearly the softly, softly approach isn’t working.

    • Luke says:

      01:02am | 31/07/10

      You might want to check the current smoking figures for the late teens, early twenties now.  A surprisingly high percentage of them smoke!  The hysteria about banning smoking has made it attractive to them; heck, the anti-smoking lobby make me want to take it up.

      Prohibition in any form or degree is not only wrong it doesn’t work, including fat.  Who to people think they are to tell others what the can an can’t do?

    • Johnno says:

      10:48am | 30/07/10

      Of course we should call them fat.

      It makes me sick when you hear that such-and-such is an “emotional eater”, or that they are “eating for comfort”, or the even more ridiculous that it is their metabolism, not anything they’ve done.

      The fact is that 99% of fat people are greedy and lazy, pure and simple. Whether or not it “helps” them, calling them fat is a good idea.

    • Noni says:

      12:01pm | 30/07/10

      Johnno,
      while I may agree with your sentiments, quoting statistics without a source only makes you look silly.

    • Brad Coward says:

      12:17pm | 30/07/10

      The circus must be in town today because a clown called Johnno is loose on The Punch !

      Johnno, please consider if you will, the number of people who carry around extra weight because of the side affects of the medication that they take to keep themselves alive.  Not all fat people sit around the house all day long feasting on Smith’s Crisps and KFC.

      It’s just a thought, but I can tell by your comments that you are an individual badly in need of an intelligent thought….or two !  I hope that I’m not making assumptions…...

    • Kordez says:

      01:36pm | 30/07/10

      @Brad Coward, is it fair to assume the large… lol large… majority of fatties do not take these medications you speak of?
      I’m sure as Colgo has pointed out that a doctor would call fat when he sees it and side affect when he sees it.

    • Gavin says:

      02:04pm | 30/07/10

      Brad, the people on medication are by far the minority.  The fact is that most people are lazy, over eaters.

    • James1 says:

      02:27pm | 30/07/10

      Hold on Gavin, lets be PC about this.  They are not lazy, they are simply “effort minimisers”.

    • Brad Coward says:

      05:57pm | 30/07/10

      Kordez, I take your point but as I say not all fat people sit around the house feeding their faces all day long.  But certainly, some of the people are taking medication and have no control over the side effects.

    • Reg says:

      07:20pm | 30/07/10

      Johnno the official Australian term is “fat bastard.”  I am a fat bastard, he is a fat bastard, you are a fat bastard. He is a fat bastard nerd and she is also a fat bastard nerd with smelly feet.

    • sick of the crap says:

      11:37pm | 30/07/10

      Put up or shut up Johnno.  Where’s your proof that 99% of people are greedy and lazy besides your idiotic ranting.

    • BLC says:

      04:46pm | 31/07/10

      @Brad - for the record, there are very few (if any) medications whose side-effects result in ‘morbid’ obesity. Certainly, there are a number of medications that result in weight-gain, be it due to appetite stimulation, the way fat is deposited, changes in the way fat is metabolised.etc Morbid obesity may have medication as a factor, but certainly not as the root cause. The same goes for the majority of endocrine conditions: weight gain, certainly; profound obesity, unlikely.

    • Susan says:

      10:57am | 30/07/10

      I’m not going to encourage or support anyone to be abusive towards others.  As if it’s a great thing to model abusive behaviours, and of course in front of kids - like they don’t have enough problems in schools with cruelty and abuse?  Yes, we do have a serious societal problem but creating further social problems to fight the issue seems entirely wrong to me.  I’ll add that I know a couple - he overweight and she average to slim.  SHE is the one with the cholesterol problem and he not.  Just because someone is thin doesn’t automatically make them healthier albeit the obvious caveats.  It’s an important issue to raise and yes, Australian health should be a top policy issue, but please let’s not encourage social and cultural meanness beyond what we already have.

    • Beagle says:

      10:58am | 30/07/10

      As if being fat is not enough, Fat people seem to have no fashion sense, bogans being the worst offenders preferring to wear outrageous clothing in spite of their enormous bodies.

      this summer you’ll see more and more of the “slag tags dancing on the muffin tops”

    • stephen says:

      11:53am | 31/07/10

      Fat bogans ?
      You ain’t bin up Martin Place lately, bro ?

    • Meh says:

      11:08am | 30/07/10

      I agree with a tough stance on obesity, but smoking does not carry the stigma of being overweight.

      So although I have nothing against doctors and health professionals calling obese people “fat”, to make it socially acceptable might just do more harm than good for some people.

      I doubt obese people accept criticism from teenagers calling them fat compared to their doctor.

    • Reg says:

      04:26am | 31/07/10

      Yes I know a fat doctor too. As far as I’m concerned smoking carries a far greater stigma than does being fat. Now a fat smoker, there’s a gross image. (Newman!) A smoker invades the space and health of those who make every effort to avoid them. Just call me a fat bastard please.

    • Kordez says:

      11:23am | 30/07/10

      Chocolate Musashi shakes do not taste like chocolate, was the topic of conversation yesterday afternoon at 4:55pm while I downed mine with the intention of completing the 3 month challenge which will according to the before and after photo’s have me looking 1/3 the size of Vin Diesel.

      So while I was getting my final protein fix for the day, I was rolling a ciggie (yeah rollie’s because pre-made tobacco is overpriced now, thanks Labor)... Because I like to suck one back just before and straight after exercise. This fat broad from Risk Management perhaps made the biggest mistake of her life by passing judgement with the statement “there is no point exercising if your staying on the fags” (ironically she didn’t realise I was actually a fag.) To which I snapped inquisitively, “So smokers can’t be healthy.. What’s your excuse?” Her reply was slightly less confident as I’m sure she’d realised the criticism she had made was going to bite her on the ass. As there was no time to debate this idiots opinion until morning I decided to depart gracefully with “To be continued.”
      I love smoking and hate fat people. Particularly those larger than life who decide it’s alright to pay out a smoker when they themselves are likely to experience the very same consequences as I, without change.

      PS. I’ve overheard an idea 3 dudes had about spraying Metho in the faces pedestrians smoking around the city, they thought the idea was funny as! How it is appropriate to “hate smokers” and not to “hate fat people.” I guess I’m evil.

    • Call me intolerant... says:

      11:25am | 30/07/10

      Fat is fat and fat is ugly. With the adjective of fat comes a list of perceptions: lazy, undirected, unambitious, sluggish, lethargic, careless, unmotivated, self-indulgent, apathetic and so on.

      As an employer, I do not want an employee who projects this image as part of the team representing my business. I want an image that reflects progressive, motivated, energetic, vibrant and ambitious. Sorry Fatty, you just didn’t cut it. You are a health risk and I will NOT pay for you to have lap-band surgery when you won’t walk around the block once a day!

    • Johnno says:

      11:58am | 30/07/10

      Here here! For far too long we’ve had to pretend these people aren’t disgusting to look at and that their fatness doesn’t reflect their character.

      The truth is, if someone is so lazy and ill-disciplined that they become a fatty, this will reflect on all aspects of their life - work not the least of these.

      And yes, of course, there are exceptions that prove the rule. And that’s what examples of a good fat worker do - prove the rest of them are lazy, greedy, hard-work-shirking slobs!

    • Muttley says:

      12:47pm | 30/07/10

      Johnno,
        Have you considered seeing a mental health professional to help you deal with your issues. Whats the problem? Did a fattie scare you as a child?

    • Annie says:

      02:13pm | 30/07/10

      I can only hope you as, a perfectly looking person, have the right hair, clothing, skin condition, intelect, sporting ability, musical talent, social IQ, voice tone ect. Because as an employer myself I would not hire anyone that doesn’t live up to my personal idea of what success looks like.

    • sick of the crap says:

      11:44pm | 30/07/10

      These are disgraceful comments to make. You judge by looks and looks alone. How do you know what level of activity a person is doing just by looking at them?  Why the hell is it any of your business anyway???  if your business is any reflection of the IMAGE you are projecting I wouldn’t want anything to do with it.

    • pisces says:

      11:29am | 30/07/10

      A lot of people are fat because the anti smoking campaign worked. People gave up smoking and started eating more. Now we just have to come up with and spend money on the magic patch and gum and pill and quitline to get people to stop eating. Oh that’s right, we can’t just get people to stop eating like we can get them to stop smoking or drinking alcohol.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      11:30am | 30/07/10

      and there’s a distinction between someone who is overweight but at least does some exercise and watches their diet, and the person who is overweight and sits around all day chomping Doritos.

      The most stupid statement i’ve heard in my life.

      Who the heck are you or anyone to tell people not to be fat?

    • Fed Up says:

      11:33am | 30/07/10

      What I find extremely confronting is some writer inciting people to be discriminatory and abusive (if not bullying) towards others based on how they look.  I would never do it. And I would never encourage anyone to do it either. We are better than that. Let’s encourage people to deal with their health in a balanced way. Both smokers and overweight people would benefit from that encouragement. I don’t see how stigmatizing them will help them in any way.

    • BooHoo says:

      11:57am | 30/07/10

      Oh please - take a reality pill. Why should I pay for someone’s $8000 lap-band procedure only to find that they have not changed their stinky fat attitude towrds diet & lifestyle? But we are paying for these people to have procedures because they are a drain on our economy. We tax cigarettes heavily and stigmatize smokers by putting them out in the cold - so we should stigmatize any other group who is not prepared to help themselves but take help from taxpayers. Enough of the politically correct, blame someone else hype. Let’s start calling a spade a spade!

    • Blocker says:

      03:14pm | 30/07/10

      My partner is overweight, yup she’s fat. She knows it.  She rides 15km to work everyday and knob jockeys take it on themselves to yell stuff at her.  She comes home in tears.  Think about that you perfect people out there.  Thanks Fed Up, well said.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      05:37pm | 30/07/10

      Blocker..  your comment has changed my thinking. Your lady is beautiful.

    • Vicki PS says:

      11:45am | 31/07/10

      Sorry, Fed Up, but I don’t think your sane and sensible comments will register with the likes of BooHoo and Johnno.  It would never occur to them to have a look at the national burden of disease figures (which the national health strategy relies so heavily on) and reflect on some of the other causes of ill-health generating huge costs to our economy. 

      Personally, I fail to see why my tax dollars should underwrite the health care of bone-headed 18 - 25 year olds whose stupid indulgent parents buy them fast cars; or whose enthusiasm for contact sports outruns their skill at avoiding injury.  I don’t want to pay for rescuing careless abseilers and bushwalkers.  I don’t want to pay for the orthopaedic problems of middle-aged athletes.  I don’t want to pay for the heart attacks and postal breakdowns of overhyped so-called entrepreneurs.  I don’t want to pay for assisted reproduction for middle-aged narcissistic tossers who finally decide their lifestyle can accommodate children.

      There’s a lot more to the overall picture of health costs than the 9 areas the government has chosen to focus on.  It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to realise that the key strategic foci were chosen having regard to more than just cost.  Popular support for easily-targetted scapegoats certainly played a part, as did protecting areas dear to the popular imagination, such as professional sport.  Guess it would be hard to sell a health strategy that involved calling football players nasty names (at least for something other than boorish and abusive treatment of women).

    • BLC says:

      04:51pm | 31/07/10

      @ Vicki PS - Wow, nice.

    • SkinnyMini says:

      11:40am | 30/07/10

      Yes go get those fatties and target Joe Hocking first hes a bad example to Australian’s. Try sitting on a bus next to these huge jelly bellies and you will without doubt, think they need taxing or something.

    • Julia says:

      04:14am | 31/07/10

      Who’s Joe hocking?

    • Phil says:

      11:41am | 30/07/10

      As a fat bastard probably 15-20 kilos overweight, having not read your piece but looking at the headline I agree wholeheartedly. Tax the fat. Tax fast food.

      I have pretty much given up the piss and fast food in the main, and just bought a road bike to get back into shape.

      Long term it will save the country a fortune. Start young, get the kids excercising regularly, eating well and having a balanced diet. By balanced I dont mean hot cakes for brekky, junior burger for lunch and nuggets for dinner. Yes my kids would love that but it would kill them, so its a treat for maccas, not the norm. Treat say once every three weeks at best.

    • Kordez says:

      01:56pm | 30/07/10

      Good on ya Phil! Body for life bro!

    • Dick j says:

      11:46am | 30/07/10

      On Sky news today a doctor called for the government to ban tobacco. They did a vox pop with a very very fat, obviously emphysemic lady smoker, sitting squashed in a wheelchair outside a hospital in hospital gown having a smoke.

      Looked like voluntary euthenasia to me at the taxpayers expense .

    • Jaimes says:

      11:53am | 30/07/10

      I am fat. No two ways about it, no denial, no excuses. At the moment I am trying - with the help of my doctor - to lose weight in a sensible and sustainable manner. I *encourage* my doctor to call me fat! It is a perfectly valid description of my physical shape, as in:

      fat –adjective
      1. having too much flabby tissue; corpulent; obese: a fat person.

      I am just as unlikely to take offence if somebody points out that I have green eyes, or brown hair, or wear glasses. These are all accurate physical descriptors, just as fat is.

      While we’re being up front and real about it, how about other fat people can the excuses too? I’m not talking about people with genuine physical aiments, rather the “I had a crap childhood”, “I went through a bad divorce” mob. Boo hoo - cry me a river. Y’know why I’m fat? Because I eat too much, usually of the wrong kinds of foods, and I don’t exercise enough. Yes, I was abused as a child - that’s not why I’m fat.

      People shouldaccept responsibility for their actions and choices, which result in being in bad shape.

    • Call me intolerant says:

      12:00pm | 30/07/10

      Congratulations! You are the very person I want for my business! No blaming anyone for your actions - you are a rare find in present day society. Keep up the good work - you are a shining beacon in more ways than one.

    • Johnno says:

      12:04pm | 30/07/10

      Congratulations and good luck with your endeavor. I mean this genuinely.

      With that kind of thinking (1. You aren’t using quick-fix diets, 2. You aren’t in denial about why you are fat and/or playing the victim) I’m positive you’ll have success.

      And guess what? The discipline you show in losing weight will flow over to other areas of your life.

    • Jaimes says:

      03:39pm | 30/07/10

      Thanks for the support guys. I’m 3kgs down so far, about another 30 to go *sigh*

      @intolerant - what salary are you offering? LMAO

    • Jacob M says:

      12:04pm | 30/07/10

      Joe Hocking should be the first person the fat brigade target, hes a bad example for all Australian’s

    • David C says:

      01:17pm | 30/07/10

      and then we should target Joe Hockey

    • Zeta says:

      12:19pm | 30/07/10

      As a schoolboy, my nickname was ‘barge arse’. When I slimmed down enough to play under 16s rugby union, I was upgraded to the moniker of ‘fat bastard’. For a year, while small enough to be a rower, I was just ‘bastard’.

      As I got older, and bigger, I was too expansive to not have my bulk formally recognised by some kind of pseudonym but not quite big enough for it to include an overt reference to fatness, so I copped ‘westinghouse’ for my uncanny resemblance to white goods and the fact my date to the year 11 formal announced that accompanying me was like dancing with a fridge.

      In the twilight years of my 20s, thanks to a diet consisting mostly of cigarettes and raw protein and a work out regimen of punching things and lifting things - I have the body shape of an angry wombat. According to the doctor - I’m morbidly obese.

      This is in spite of the fact I can pass a beep test in flying colours, chin lift my own body weight and leg press a small car.

      I wonder then, if the BMI is so much about health, or just about looking like everyone else. There are blokes the same height and weight as me who look like Matt Preston at a cream bun tasters convention.

      It makes going to the doctor for any other reason a complete bastard of a task. The last one to tell me I was obese I challenged to a foot race. I challenged his receptionist to a fist fight on the way out too.

      A bloke my height should only weigh 90 odd kilograms. A bloke that height and that weight would be described as being of ‘tall, average build’ should they be described by witnesses to police. I’d be described as ‘terrible… I didn’t know if it was a man, or a shaved bull dog. It had the body of a great white shark on these huge legs, like a pair of McDonald’s coke cups… It was so horrible…’ followed by quiet weeping. I know which one I prefer.

    • Tom says:

      01:11pm | 30/07/10

      BMI is an inaccurate measure of health - certainly a large proportion of league and union players are classified as overweight or obese. So long as the bulk is muscle mass, it isn’t a problem. Body fat percentage is the crucial figure - and most professional athletes would pass this with flying colours, whereas most fatties would not.

    • Kordez says:

      01:16pm | 30/07/10

      Awww poor podgy Zeta.. =P

    • Brad Price says:

      01:30pm | 30/07/10

      @Zeta. Here what your saying about BMI and i agree. When used individually it’s not accurate. It is designed for use at a community level.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:22pm | 30/07/10

      Mmm, Doritos…

      What was the question?  Oh yeah.  Like you said Paul, there’s a big difference between someone legitimately trying to change their lifestyle, and someone sitting around eating junk all day.

      They should talk to them like smokers.  “If you do not lose this weight, you WILL die a premature death?”  The maybe talk to the overweight individuals about why they began overeating in the first place - when did they stop having something to live for?

      I don’t know. I’m not obese.  But I think there needs to be some form of tough love, and fat people screaming ‘I’m not fat, it’s glandular!” need a wake up call.

    • lardy lard lard says:

      12:23pm | 30/07/10

      Call ‘em wahtever you want, just don’t call them later for dinner or they will sit on you!

    • Pete says:

      12:45pm | 30/07/10

      Harden up people - emotionally and physically.
      We’re being cruel to be kind.
      Because what you’ve been doing so far ain’t working!

    • David C says:

      01:24pm | 30/07/10

      This forum is scary, I suggest everyone re-reads thier comments tomorrow when they have a chance to calm down.
      I think doctors can say obese or fat or whatever to get their message across to help their patient but the rest of you where is your right to label others? Is it because they are using your taxes? What about the taxes they pay? So what is your next area of concern? People that dont wear scarves on a cold day and get the flu, or people that play sport?
      And as far as health issues are concerned I I think the big issue is genetics isnt it?. What would you like to do test at birth?
      How about everyone get down off their moral high horses

    • Kordez says:

      02:15pm | 30/07/10

      Fat, Fatties, Lardo, Tubby Chubby, Big Boned, Festively Plump, Larger than Life, Cake Muncher, Roly Poly, Boomba, Reubenesque, Thick, Fluffy, Full-Figured, Porky, Retund, Zaftig, Husky , Hefty, Corpulent, Portly, Queen Size, King Size, XXXL, BIG, Whale, Whale like, Pear Shaped, Fleshy, Full, Overweight, Portly, Pudgy, Round, Beef Cake, Bulky, Heavyset, Stocky, Stout, Thick, Thickset, Weighty, Brawny, Burly, Dumpy, Squat, Stubby and… Matt Preston.

      *Sigh* All mean the same thing… Even if they are slang.. Might be politically incorect to use them, but hell have some fun mate!

    • BooHoo says:

      02:55pm | 30/07/10

      @ Kordez Yep! This is the way it should be! Gloves off! If I’m paying for that consult with yet another GP, dietitian, psychologist, counsellor, surgeon, gym membership (that obviously doesn’t get used) (but is subsidised by my health fund contributions), then I should get to do some name calling.

      @ Pete Perfect! Cruel to be kind so perfectly sums it up!

      @David C - genetics???? Only identifiable genetic factor here is the learnt ability to consume immense & constant supplies of fast foods.

    • Nathan says:

      05:28pm | 30/07/10

      @David C - yeah, a lot of the animosity is to do with fatties wasting our taxes because of their own self indulgence.

      And no, the big issue isn’t genetics as far as health is concerned for the overwhelming majority. Genetics plays a part, but nowhere near as much as lifestyle.

      Being thin is simple. It’s not necessarily easy for everyone, but the principles are simple and when people would rather whine and complain about how hard it is, instead of make an effort on behalf of their own well being, then they deserve all the criticism that goes their way.

      It’s also just the general contempt the fatties deserve - when you see a fat person, you know with almost certainty that there goes a lazy, undisciplined, excuse making victim wannabe. I wouldn’t have such an issue with them if they could just admit they’re fat cos they eat too much and don’t exercise, but when I hear thyroid, slow metabolism, big bones etc I just wanna reach out and smack someone.

    • IMHO says:

      01:27pm | 30/07/10

      How about we forget about banning words altogether. How about we have a society where free speech and honest reporting of the facts is valued along side a geniune respect for everyone’s humanity. It’s not about the words, it’s about the way words are used to deliberately embarrass and de-humanise someone.

      And sorry but how is “It’ll kill you” being said about someone’s smoking habit insulting. I guess “It’s highly likely to kill you” might be more palatable. Either way, go ahead and smoke but don’t claim to be insulted when people make factual comments about it’s effects on your health!

    • Matt says:

      01:33pm | 30/07/10

      I was having a smoke outside work when a passing fatty smugly informed me that smoking would kill me.  Ironically it was the day after The West Australian newspaper led with the story that obesity had overtaken smoking as the leading cause of death.  I am tired of fat hypocrites.  Yes I may smell, but fatties smell AND take up half my seat on the train.

    • Kordez says:

      01:46pm | 30/07/10

      Ban fatties on pubic transport! Yay!

    • James1 says:

      03:15pm | 30/07/10

      That is not irony.  That is coincidence.

    • Steely Dan says:

      01:42pm | 30/07/10

      I think you missed the point here, Colgo.

      Smokers have been stigmatised because it’s well-known that the cons of smoking outweigh the pros.  It’s seen as a stupid choice, even though smoking remains - too many - is a ‘cool’ thing to do.  It’s why teenagers still take it up.  We position smoking as immature, reckless and expensive, not uncool.

      Being fat is already uncool (in our culture anyway), and clearly the stigmatisation of fat as uncool isn’t helping people lose weight.  You don’t have to be a rocket surgeon to realise that calling people fat frequently makes the problem worse.  You can whinge about how people should harden up all you want - that’s fine, but it’s not helping.

      If we want to get people to lose weight, we have to get people to see it the same way most people see smoking - as something that is clearly a negative when you have a good hard rational look at it.  If we’d spent all those anti-cigarette advertising dollars on a national name-calling campaign instead of showing rotting organs and cancerous cells, we’d probably have more people smoking than ever. 

      I’m worried that the ‘issue’ of ‘political correctness’ has been shoved into the topic just so we can all play the Social Commentator Drinking Game (one drink per ‘political correctness’, ‘dole bludgers’, ‘working families’, or ‘ivory towers’).  The sociologists aren’t saying we shouldn’t use the ‘f’ word because it will offend people - they’re saying we shouldn’t use it because it doesn’t help people lose weight.  It’s practical, real-world advice.

    • Kordez says:

      02:24pm | 30/07/10

      @Steely Dan, I think Colgo’s planned all along to have fatties take up smoking to lose weight. Then the huge.. lol huge.. majority would once again be smokers!

      Seriously, we shouldn’t beat around the bush with anyone.

    • Steely Dan says:

      04:40pm | 30/07/10

      @ Kordez

      I don’t think it’s an issue of whether or not we should beat around the bush or not.  The sociologists aren’t suggesting we downplay the reality of the situation for fat people.  They’re saying that there are two words that we can use - both can mean the same thing, but in the mind of the overweight person, one will be forever tied to playground taunts and sneers, and the other tied to sensible medical advice from a non-judgmental professionals with their best interests at heart.  Using one will produce better results than the other. 

      We can either take their sensible advice, or drop to the turf, grab our shins and cry until a symapthetic cultural referee blows the whistle and rewards us for whining about some imagined infringement of our right to free speech.

    • Zaf says:

      01:58pm | 30/07/10

      Well obviously if we raised taxes on cigarettes to discourage smoking (we did, it did) and we raised taxes on alcopops to discourage drinking (we did, it did) we should logically raise taxes on food to discourage people from eating so much (we won’t, but it would).

    • Amanda says:

      02:03pm | 30/07/10

      For years and years, I’ve heard overweight people being personally offended by name calling yet, they have no problem with calling naturally slim or naturally athletic people derogatory names straight to their faces! Many naturally slim people would love to gain weight and are sensitive about being lean and unable to bulk up. Maybe it’s karma…

    • Mayday says:

      02:50pm | 30/07/10

      I work with a lot of large women who regularly have a go at me being “skinny” even though they know I’m constantly trying to put on weight so as to have something in reserve.
      I try to laugh off the names they call me and tell them my fat is on the inside in the form of cholesterol but don’t follow through with the truth which is its now under control because they would be even more nasty.
      I am active and eat healthy foods, they sit around whenever possible, eat and drink rubbish then complain about the health issues they have!
      People must help themselves before they can expect the system to carry their load, sorry about the pun!

    • James1 says:

      03:17pm | 30/07/10

      Mayday,

      In reserve for what, exactly?  A bad winter?  Potato blight?

    • Mayday says:

      03:57pm | 30/07/10

      James 1,

      I work with children, I catch all sorts of bugs and sometimes lose weight because I’m sick…....that’s why I like to have a some fat in reserve.
      My doctor agrees too, I was just trying to reiterate what Amanda was saying in the above post.

    • Kate says:

      08:58pm | 30/07/10

      Exactly! Fat people do not have the monopoly on being teased.

      I do think it’s rude to comment on a random stranger’s weight or insult them. That includes comments I’ve gotten over the years such as beanpole, anorexic, bulimic and the ever popular ‘oh you wait, once you have kids you’re going to be SO FAT if you keep eating like that!!’

      I do feel sorry for the people who get insulted for being overweight. But really, it happens to thin people too.

    • Peter says:

      02:29pm | 30/07/10

      Agree we should reduce smoking and obesity. I smoke, whenever i get a precious non-smoker who acts like they have caught cancer by walking past me, I suggest to them they immediatly run to their doctor and tell them what happened.. The look on their face is priceless…

    • Charles Kelly says:

      10:06pm | 01/08/10

      I’m one of those “precious non-smokers” Peter. I especially enjoy it when a rude selfish smoker at a table near me lights up when I’m enjoying a meal outdoors. Seeing as they obviously don’t have a problem with offending others while eating, I get up, walk over, and fart in their face. The look on their face is priceless…

      Burping in the face of a selfish smoker in a crowded area works a treat too. Fine with you Peter?

    • Peter says:

      03:08pm | 02/08/10

      @ Charles Kelly. The fact is non-smokers have all their own way now. This continuing attack on smokers is just bullying. To start attacking people for smoking outdoors is taking things too far. Smokers moved out of the way so you can enjoy you indoor environment smoke free (to which you are entitled), but give us a break on the outdoor stuff. Non-smokers have got everything they want, even to the point where taxation is used to make these people look poor.. Let’s be fair about this… How much more do you want?

    • Karl says:

      03:34pm | 30/07/10

      Surely there should be some of the anti-smoking/anti-speeding style commercials made to discourage getting fat. 
      “This is the intestinal tract of a morbidly obese dead man (doctor squeezes out various hamburgers and cream puffs) age 36…..”
      Whatever gets squeezed out of wherever needs to look black and grouse. The yellow stuff squeezed out of the smokers oesophagus looked like custard..ohhohommmm…custard…

    • Kathy says:

      05:02pm | 30/07/10

      In the interests of drawing analogies with smokers, I was trying to figure out what “passive fatness” would entail…the only thing I could come up with was the public transport seating thing.  And the hospital costs I guess.  But it lacks the drama of the passive smoking demon!!

    • Terry Wright says:

      06:52pm | 30/07/10

      FTA: “But health professionals disagree. in the Herald Sun today Monash University sociologist Samantha Thomas says blaming and shaming overweight people did not motivate them to lose weight, according to research.

      The word “fat” could be very stigmatising and research had shown this would push overweight people away, Dr Thomas said.

      “You don’t create behaviour change by making people feel bad about themselves,” she said.”

      There’s that gimmicky word again ... research. It’s best to knock it when it produces different results to your own personal opinion. It doesn’t matter how strongly you feel about something, research should win out every time.

      FTA: “I’m sure “research” also showed at some point that putting pictures of gangrenous feet and cancerous pus being squeezed out of a bronchus would make smokers reach for the packet too.”

      Not knowing the difference between insulting someone and showing the outcomes of their behaviour doesn’t help your argument. It just shows you don’t want to agree with the facts.

      What is it with this current trend of degrading research and science in an attempt to push one’s personal views? Tough love, naming and shaming, increased penalties for crimes involving addiction etc. Science keeps telling us they don’t work but we still keep putting them up as solutions. Why?

    • baal says:

      11:48pm | 30/07/10

      simple really, everyone has things they get pleasure from. Cake, sex, drugs, feeling superior, degrading others. Paul seems to get off on being a bastard i personally like pleasures that do not hurt others, in fact all my favourite things involve other people in a nice way,

    • Reg says:

      07:14pm | 30/07/10

      Two days ago I heard a newsreel refer to the natives of East Timor in the words, “and the boongs go about their work.” That was offensive in about 1947. Yet I got into trouble for referring to the “Japs”. Really really bad.

    • realist-not-dreamer@hotmail.com says:

      10:19pm | 30/07/10

      Hmmm…Fat? Obese? Overweight? I wonder if John Cleese and Michael Palin could deliver a variation on their ‘Dead’ Parrot skit?

    • Lisa says:

      11:11pm | 30/07/10

      What about the people who are taking medications whose side effects include weight gain. What about the person who is suffering from mental illness or who has recently lost a family member and their willpower/self control goes out the window. What about the intellectually disabled person whose metabolism is shot from years of medication and who is never going to learn proper eating habits anyway. What about those who are wheelchair bound and whilst they may be very strong their upper body/abdomen is susceptible to weight gain purely because they cant move it around as easily. What about the elderly person in a retirement home who is fed a standard diet they have no control over, (aside from the choice of the chicken or beef) and who has no family left to support them to get them out and active.

      Are you going to call these people fat and expect that your attitude towards their body alone will improve their individual and diverse situations?

    • Concerned mum says:

      11:41pm | 30/07/10

      I hate walking past smokers as they fill the air with their toxic stink. They think it’s a joke that non smokers would be offended by it. It makes sense that if they don’t care enough about their own health, why would they care about anyone else. How often do smokers throw their butts on the ground, just look at the filth they cause. The difference between smokers and overweight people is that on the whole the overweight person is destroying his/her own life. I sat in a car park the other day as a mother smoked in her car next to me with 3 children in the back seat. Shame on her.

    • Yeah it's discrimination says:

      12:02am | 31/07/10

      It’s supposed to be a war on obesity, not obese people. The comments here are bordering on cyber bullying and vilification of people who don’t look like you want them to. At the very least it’s indicating a deep disturbing psychological hatred. If you hate us because we “do it to ourselves”, well carry that logic further.  People in wheelchairs could have themselves to blame.  After all they could have been mucking about and dived into a shallow creek or been racing on the freeways and been paralysed in an ensuing accident. Why would you give them extra rights like handicapped parking spaces just for them??  You and I don’t know their circumstances and you don’t know ours, so shut up.

    • Gran Depine says:

      02:29am | 31/07/10

      Look at the score board! clap clap…clap clap…..clap! I can’t wait to see the lemons crushed. What was that PM Gillard? Another Obama failed USA plagiarized policy called trade in your clunker (ie your old vehicle or in Australia we call them lemons) used to swing the Australian electorate. The PM is an Obama US socialist arse kissing parrot genius.  Trade your lemon “clunkers” in for a $2000 rebate, the only criteria is that you had to be in the vicinity of your clunker for a minimum of two years. Sounds like the Federal ALP party. I’ll do Australia a favour, I’ll pay the Commonwealth $2000 to see my Federal ALP Government clunker crashed and another $2000 to sack the incompetent ALP non-elected boof heads (4 leaders in one election term) in the NSW ALP Government. Up yours ALP you bloody novo-socialist conspirators. Australia is waking up and you will never win your long term objective. Your stage one objective of converting Australia into a Communist state by using demoralization techniques (by selling the farm and putting Australia into debt) will never succeed. We will never be sucked in by your psy-op techniques to convert Australia into a socialist/Commie country. Clunkers, NBN, ETS, UN Agenda 21"sustainable” catch cry policies are all BS plagiarized failed policies of the USA. They are plans for failure!

    • Vicki PS says:

      06:23pm | 31/07/10

      What?  Did you forget your medication again, Gran?  Tsk.

    • Gran Depine says:

      07:48pm | 01/08/10

      Vicki PS rather than making a personal attack towards me, please use facts to debate my argument. Unlike yourself, I don’t require derogatory remarks I have facts to validate my argument.

      Please have a look at the United Nations website http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_38.shtml  for further information on Agenda 21 sustainable protocols for the world today sponsored by the UN organisation.

      As for the BS we are being fed in Australia, the velvet Socialist glove massages in 4 stages: Demoralisation then Crisis then Normalisation then Destabilisation. Ready a bit of history about Lenin and Mao’s techniques and you will be very surprised. It is currently happening very slowly in the US and is now slowly introduced in Australia. The majority of people in Australia are not interested in politics or political science. I emphasize the word majority. The majority of voters are influenced by the media during peak advertising election campaigns to make election decisions or stick to their favourite familial “club” or political party based on peer pressure or family tradition..just look at the statistics.

      Obesity is just another scam to create demoralisation. Unfortunately, we are a creature that always takes the path of least resistance. Introduce prohibition on alcohol, purified sugar, non-iodinised salt, trans fats, fluoride and high mineral food/drink additives then you will see vast changes in the health of Australians.  Unfortunately, the retail food manufacturing multinationals know that these foods are about mass production, convenience and price. All these foods with the above ingredients are designed and made for the poor (financial and lazy) person’s convenience. For example, we don’t need fluoride infused toothpaste and fluoride in tap water to minimise tooth decay. If we are not lazy, we can clean our gums with toothpicks and floss and brush our teeth between meals without the use of fluorinated toothpaste. Use fruit and herbs for freshen our breath. 

      Salt? We don’t need salt to preserve food we have vacuum packaging, fridges and freezers. We can eat and drink the freshest foods in the world today. Furthermore, we don’t need food fillers and unnatural fats in our modern diet.

      As for your medical opinion about me, I’ll give you a bit of advice in the real world. Make sure you have a pharmacy and medical degree before you assume someone’s medication. If I have misinterpreted your comment as humour ...hahahaha nice one Vicky can I have another?

    • Melly says:

      09:07am | 31/07/10

      What you’ve described your doctor saying to you, is not rudeness, it’s fact. It will kill you, you will leave your family behind. (Still missing my mother who died from lung cancer.)

      If they intend to use the word ‘fat’ to *shame* people, rather than as a descriptive term like short, tall or thin, than there is actually nothing wrong with that.

      However the intent is to shame people. Is shame ever helpful in changing behaviour?

      The assumption behind this is that fat people always have control over their weight - the research actually shows that genetics play a huge role. Yale researchers concluded “the causes of obesity are very complex” and cited genetics as a major factor. People can be fat *despite* healthy eating and exercise.

      Some medications cause weight to pile on. Do we want to shame these people too?

      It is normal for there to be be variation in body types in any population, not everyone is supposed to be skinny (or short, or tall).

      So when your doctor says ‘smoking will kill you’ it’s factually correct.

      But if a doctor says ‘you’re fat’ and makes all sorts of assumptions, including that said fat person doesn’t know they’re fat and that they must sit around eating all day, well that’s a lot of judgment in the doctors office. A doctor who wants to shame people is one to avoid.

    • Caroline says:

      10:38am | 31/07/10

      Paul Colgan…doctors do tell people that they are fat and overweight. Because you’re skinny, you’ve never experienced it.

    • dj says:

      10:54am | 31/07/10

      I think there is a difference between your idea of insulting e.g. smoking will kill you, and name calling e.g. you are fat.

    • Freddy says:

      05:39pm | 31/07/10

      This is just getting people used to the idea of food rationing.  Talk about BMI is roaring around the globe at this very moment.  Obama is putting it into the health bill, and the English are doing something similar.

      Coincidently there are major concerns about food supply around the world.  With the global governance that has pushed for such things as smart meters and water rationing, so food will also be rationed .......and guess what, that is where interest in your BMI comes in.

      Sure it will take them a while to get the infrastructure in but once they have your BMI on record, your diet or food ration will be customized accordingly.

      Think that is absurd?  Well just watch.

    • Les says:

      06:59pm | 31/07/10

      Skinny people drop dead of heart desease and other causes. If we stop smokers they, and all of us will still die, I haven’t seen anyone running around over 100. If smokers stopped their habit, the health cost just moves to another problem, alzeimers, stroke, etc. Our society needs to move on and grow up. Just a note I don’t smoke but am over weight and I don’t eat take away’s.

    • GET REAL says:

      09:36pm | 31/07/10

      And the fat people who exercise FAR MORE than many skinny people, and eat FAR LESS than many skinny people? Well, what about them? What about fat people like ME?

      I love sport and participate regularly and vigorously, while my skinny mates watch it on TV and knock back the beers. I rarely drink alcohol or eat fatty foods while my mates eat pizza and drink like fish. I can’t remember the last time I ate fast food, while my mates have it every day. My lazy mates can eat as much as they like, while I gain weight just by looking at food - and some of you genuises actually want to claim it’s got nothing to do with our respective metabolisms???

      Feel free to call me fat if you’re doing so in a manner genuinely reflecting concern for my health, otherwise be prepared for me to list YOUR many faults in detail, starting with your ignorance.

    • Thinning-Fat-Fighter says:

      12:50pm | 02/08/10

      Mate, do you know how hard some skinny people exercise? As a fellow “fattie”, I exercise several times during the week and most of the weekend, but what I consider ‘lots of exercise’ doesn’t raise a candle to the exercise thinner people are able to achieve during their exercise. You’re not your mates. You need to focus on what you’ve got, and what you’ve got to lose.

      Just participating in sport is not enough. You need to train and train and train some more at the very edge of your capabilities, which will increase as time goes on. Ignore the stares at the gym and do what you’ve gotta do. At least you’re doing something about it and you’re doing it to make your sport even more enjoyable! That is to be respected rather than ridiculed.

      It’s not just about a number on a scale dropping. It’s about you and making yourself healthy. Turn the fat into muscle (which is heavier than fat btw). The scales wont drop as quickly but you’ll definitely notice the difference. Weigh up the foods you’re going to regret eating later, the foods you’re going to make up for at training, and the ones which will help you train and be more healthy. You’ll start to eat less of the foods you regret eating, you’ll make the foods you’ll make up for training worth it, and eat more foods which will help you train. I do not believe metabolism is fixed. We are a reflection of the environment we put ourselves in.

      After a life of self-abuse with junk food, which blew me out to 120kg, I’m doing this now. Slowly but surely it’s working. I just ducked under 100kg. Mate, it’s definitely worth the effort.

    • GET REAL says:

      09:00pm | 02/08/10

      The FACT is, Thinning-Fat-Fighter, some “skinny people” hardly exercise at all - and that’s proof enough that the claim it’s got nothing to do with each individual’s metabolism is total crap. There is NO “one size fit all” approach to weight loss.

      When I swim, I do an hour’s straight freestyle and an 30 minutes’ combined breaststroke/backstroke/butterfly per session. There’s 112 very steep steps in the ones I train on. Ten rotations as fast as I can (ie. both up and down) is the minimum I do - and I did that three times last week. That’s a couple of examples for you - and they’re simply in addition to all the other exercise I do. OF COURSE some “skinny people” train more than me, but MANY don’t even come close.

      Today I’ve eaten some high fibre oat based breakfast cereal with skim milk, two bananas and an apple - and tonight I’ll have some vegetables with tuna. That’s pretty much usual for me. OF COURSE some “skinny people” eat better/less than me, but MANY don’t even come close.

      The point I was making is that each person’s body is a machine that processes food differently - and to ignorantly suggest that all overweight people are lazy over-eaters is MUCH more offensive than calling someone “fat”.

    • Senate Watcher says:

      12:02am | 01/08/10

      It is as simple as this Heart Foundation web site:
      http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/Healthy_Living/Pages/default.aspx
      And briskly walk 30 - 40 minutes a day as well.  If you keep it up every day, with a low fat diet, the weight will just disappear in no time.  And you don’t have to starve yourself to do it.    Trust me, spending a night in a cardiac unit is no fun.  If for no other reason, the endless beeping will ensure you get no sleep.

    • GET REAL says:

      09:23pm | 01/08/10

      No, it’s NOT that “simple” at all. If it was, I’d have the body of a swimwear model. Weight loss/maintenance is NOT even close to being “one size fit all”.

    • Thinning-Fat-Fighter says:

      04:11pm | 02/08/10

      The exercise is simple. The motivation to do it isn’t. Doing a brisk walk as stated thinking to yourself “I don’t want to end up in a cardiac ward” isn’t the answer. Thinking about not dying is not the same as thinking about “living”.

      If you want people to integrate a healthy lifestyle into their current lives, then you need to change their life goals and perspective to one which better rewards them for the effort they put in. You don’t put effort in because just because you’re alive. You put it in because you have a life with purpose! Finding a purpose for people who don’t feel like they have one which requires getting fitter? That’s never simple.

    • Kathy says:

      07:58pm | 02/08/10

      @Thinning Fat Fighter…well said, I couldn’t agree more.  In my opinion, most people are doing the best they can manage given their life circumstances.  Nobody sets out to be fat & unhealthy…

    • Lily says:

      11:09pm | 01/08/10

      There need to be some clear policy objectives set by the federal political parties which seriously address the real problem of obesity as a burden on the health system and as a general problem in Australian society.

      Statistically, obesity is more prevalent in lower socio-economic groupings. This is for a range of reasons, from unhealthy food being a cheaper alternative to healthy options, healthy food often taking longer to prepare in households which need two full-time incomes etc. Children of fat parents are also more likely to be fat due to learned habits from their parents (and probably genetics too).

      I have no problem with tough love but I am concerned that language which doctors may use to encourage a more healthy lifestyle in their patients may then be seen as OK to use on children who are less likely to use that information in a positive way.

      I also agree that medication does cause obesity - my sister is on life-saving medication which caused her to go from a healthy weight to 30kg overweight due to the sugar craving side effects.

      It is true, some people just do not have the willpower to follow a healthy lifestyle. However we need to look at the other factors encouraging such a high prevalence of obesity in Australia, and tackle it accordingly, rather than getting histrionic over what is PC and un-PC in the rest of society.

 

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