To the casual observer the Israeli embassy in Canberra looks like any other diplomatic mission in the leafy suburbs of Deakin and Yarralumla. Appearances can be deceiving.

The Israeli Embassy in Yarralumla, Canberra. Picture: John Feder

The inside of Israel’s chancery building is more like a mini-fortress than the well-to-do family home visible from the street. Visitors are treated with all the caution you would expect from the world’s most suspicious and fearful regime whose enemies are everywhere, even quiet and peaceful Canberra.

There are no friendly receptionists offering cups of tea and visitors are greeted by lean looking men with crew cuts and bulges under their arms, ear pieces permanently in place. There are no smiles, no small talk, just searches, scans and an array of CCTV cameras.

Welcome to the no-nonsense world of Israeli security. This is the public face of what is a vast network of agents, analysts and assassins all beavering away 24/7 to keep the state and its citizens safe.

The Mossad, or national intelligence agency, is the best known of Israel’s shadowy security services that also includes the Aman or military intelligence and the feared Shin Bet or internal security agency.

Passport and identity theft are core functions of the Mossad and Australia and New Zealand along with Ireland and Canada have been prime targets for its fake passport office for years. The fact that these countries enjoy a benign reputation in most parts of the world, particularly across the Middle East, makes their passports a coveted commodity for the masters of the dark arts of espionage and assassination.

Earlier this decade an official Israeli passport theft operation was busted by New Zealand and Australia and Israel was forced to apologise and to promise not to do it again.

At the time the Palestinian representative in Canberra, Ali Kazak, had been warning the Howard Government about the passport scam, but his concerns fell on deaf ears.

Normally a Mossad operation would not be exposed to the extent of the one mounted to take out Hamas chief Mahmoud al-Mabhouh by suffocating him in a plush Dubai hotel suite last month. Just why it needed a 26-person hit squad to kill one overweight, middle aged Palestinian, is a mystery.

The public outpouring of angst against Israel from the former diplomat Kevin Rudd and his Foreign Minster Stephen Smith is also highly unusual. Normally dealings with Israel and the activities of its spooks are kept deeply under wraps. Putting aside the need for a distraction from the home insulation debacle, for the Prime Minister and his chief diplomat to give Israel the kind of public bollicking that it handed out on Thursday means that the evidence must be overwhelming.

Spooks from Australia’s overseas spy agency, the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS), are well plugged in throughout the Middle East and especially in the United Arab Emirates where former Australian Army General, Mike Hindmarsh, is the National Security Adviser.

Our spies would have been given chapter and verse on this sorry episode allowing Rudd and Smith to belt the Israelis with impunity.

When foreign ministers say they made their governments position ``crystal clear’’ that means a frank and thorough verbal working over. Israel’s portly ambassador Yuval Rotem would have listened politely, shrugged his shoulders and promised to pass Australia’s concerns back to Tel Aviv.

By its very charter the Mossad acts well outside the norms of national and international laws and conventions and when it is caught red handed the consequences can be profound.

The tough former paratrooper chief of the agency, Meir Dagan, has been in the job for eight years and when Israel does eventually fess up to the Dubai hit it will probably be his head that will roll.

Israel and its agents see the protection of the State as God’s work and they have little regard for the sensibilities of friendly governments such as Australia, let alone the rights of citizens.

Stealing, buying or coercing the identity of Australian, British, French, German and Irish nationals to keep Israel safe is a small price to pay and many dual nationality Israelis would happily give up their second passport for the cause anyway.

That fact will be a key focus of the Australian Federal Police investigation promised by the government.

Exactly how did a Mossad hit squad obtain the three Australian passports in the first place?

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    • stephen says:

      01:10pm | 26/02/10

      I keep reading the word ‘botched’ in the Press’
      ‘Botched eggs on toast ?’
      Nah.
      ‘A botch in time saves nine ?’
      Nup.
      ‘Israeli Security Services may have botched…’
      Huh. Thats it ; Mossad is at it again.
      (Caught sneaking through airport turnstiles in wigs and tennis gear on there way to a kill.)
      Nothing un-toward there, (every airport has a tennis court on stand-by,) and I reckon the Monty Python team might watch for further script development.
      (This may make Leigh Sales happy ).

    • pete says:

      01:29pm | 26/02/10

      monty python, would that be the “popular peoples front “or the “peoples popular front”?  bloody splitters

    • SLF says:

      01:32pm | 26/02/10

      Does the Austrailain intelligence community not do this sort of thing? Or do we play by a set of rules that nobody else does? Perhaps we use Australian passports when spying on people and wear a T-shirts sporting ‘SPY - LOOK, HERE I AM! I AM A SPY!! Do our spooks hand out buisiness cards with Spy on and send letters of intent to follow to people they tail? Perhaps we send out permission slips to tap phones or get our spy call centre to let people know a spy will be in their area on Monday?

      Why are we surprised a nation as threatened as Isreal uses whatever tactics it deems necessary tp protects its population from terrorists? Fir play to them for protecting their populace whatever the cost, we are only outraged as they used our passports.

    • TB says:

      06:52pm | 26/02/10

      “Why are we surprised a nation as threatened as Isreal uses whatever tactics it deems necessary tp protects its population from terrorists?”

      So, they fight terror with more terror? I’d hardly call that good strategy. As to the question of “Just why it needed a 26-person hit squad to kill one overweight, middle aged Palestinian,” one could speculate that the hit on al-Mabhouh was just the first item on a list of ‘actions’ this group were going to take.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      08:07pm | 26/02/10

      Why would Australia bother with expensive, highly trained counter-intelligence assets spread all over the world, when all a terrorist has to do is throw away his identity papers and chug into Australian waters aboard an Indonesian bum boat?

      “Me no speaka eenglish.”  >whispers< “It’s OK, I think they bought it.”

    • hmmm i doubt it says:

      08:23pm | 26/02/10

      What if the case was reversed and it was the palestinians who suffocated the leader of Isreal to death. Would you condone it in the same manner!

    • Faye says:

      11:39pm | 26/02/10

      Ridiculous. If our spies had been caught committing an assassination with fake Israeli passports, they might be a bit angry. Also using “whatever tactics it deems necessary”, many leaders use that same excuse, Sadam, African Generals.

      Who is to say the men they kill without trial deserve death? Who is to say they even get the right man. Have you seen Munich?

      Be careful your country never becomes a threat to these mens religion.

    • Trent says:

      11:44pm | 26/02/10

      Who has North Korea assassinated?
      It has zero functioning nuclear ballistic missiles…. and Israel?

    • Phil says:

      11:46pm | 26/02/10

      Hahaha Well only the first testament according to the Jews anyway.

    • Megan says:

      11:52pm | 26/02/10

      No they arn’t. From what I have seen they dont care what the international community thinks. Whether its using phosphorous munitions against civilians targets or treating the Palestinians like animals for decades.

      I guess the main problem is the countries around Israel are growing powers with population growth far outstripping Israel. Unfortunately they have made no friends in the area and are so hated that even if it takes two hundred years the Arabs will eventually destroy them. I just wish they could get along with their neighbors. In the end however the region will be more peaceful without them.

    • Chen says:

      11:55pm | 26/02/10

      Agreed, also please dont drag us into your nonsense religious war.

    • Gwen Stolt says:

      12:01am | 27/02/10

      Because the Arabs are more different to us than Jews. We are Christian countries ( for the majority ). The Jews believe in the first half of our god book.  We fear the Arabs their beliefs are totally alien to us. Mohammed vs Abraham, we pick the latter. We will never learn

    • A Dose says:

      10:48pm | 27/02/10

      Gwen Stolt: ... another message from the bible by someone who has not read it.  Abraham is the founder of the jewish religion, from which christianity and islam BOTH sprung.  In fact if you did the unthinkable (and researched) you’d find that islam is more closely related to early christianity that either could be to judaism.

    • Gwen Stolt says:

      03:08pm | 28/02/10

      um, A Dose, Ask you average evangelical christian if they believe that. My whole argument goes to how people regard Arabs. Are you telling me in all honesty that the average Christian is more closely aligned to Islam than to the jewish faith? Research all you want but thats nonsense.

      Sorry it is true I dont read much fiction.

    • iansand says:

      06:21pm | 28/02/10

      Gwen Dolt - That says more about the stupidity of the average evangelical christian than it does about the average Arab.

    • A Dose says:

      11:28pm | 28/02/10

      Agreed, fiction it is.

      The average evangelical christian is about as educated as a rock and just as open to learning. 

      And yes, the “philosophy” behind islam is very similar to what the “philosophy” of christianity was in the beginning (before it became political - although it must be admitted that islam has been politicised as well).

      To claim that christianity is a religion that is more similar to Judaism than Islam is to confuse legacy with reality.  Of course one must have an idea of all three to reach this conclusion - or at the very least an understanding of history - which is where the evangelicals ignorance becomes apparent.

    • A Dose says:

      11:41pm | 28/02/10

      “The Jews believe in the first half of our god book”  - true if by “our” you mean christian.  However, the fact is that the Islamic god book, contains the contents of both the christian and jewish ones.

      The main difference between the jewish worship and the other two is the sacrifice.  There are no (non-samaritan) jewish priests left (rabbis are teachers not priests) so no one knows what the rituals are, however we do know they usually involved sacrifice, similar to the “pagans”.

    • Macon Paine says:

      10:24am | 02/03/10

      @ A Dose
      Let me state for the record I am not a practising Christian or trying to be apologetic for them. But I noticed a couple of interesting points you made and thought i’d add to the debate:
      You said: “Abraham is the founder of the jewish religion, from which christianity and islam BOTH sprung.
      Not quite correct but I see where you are coming from. Islam did not spring from jewish or christian origins though, Islam had pagan origins as Muhammed was a pagan originally and his only contact with the god of Abraham was through local Jewish and christian tribes, that is until he claimed to have been visited by the arch angel Gabriel. Jesus and the early christians where all originally devout Jews, they kept the law, prayed to Yahweh etc, however the followers of Jesus him to be
      “moshiach” unlike the Sanhedrin who thought he was a blasphemer.
      You said “The average evangelical christian is about as educated as a rock and just as open to learning.”
      Haha agreed, sadly this is true for many of them.
      You said “However, the fact is that the Islamic god book, contains the contents of both the christian and jewish ones.”
      Not exactly correct. The Koran contains similar contents but with one important distinction.There are numerous changes in the Koranic versions of the stories/places/people etc that are in the old/new testament. And the Koran claims (without providing any evidence like names or dates etc) that the old/new testaments were changed. This poses some difficult questions. For example, when was it changed? Why was it changed? Who changed it? And how did they change it without leaving behind evidence? (there is no historical evidence to support the Korans assertion) Why did no one from the Jews/Apostles/Christian Church fathers speak up about these changes? Many of the changes are significant.

      Cheers

    • Jack Thomas says:

      01:37pm | 26/02/10

      The Hamas chief Mahmoud al-Mabhouh may have been an “overweight, middle aged Palestinian” but he was a terrorist.

      Not a militant, as the Latte Left like to call him on the ABC because they feel uncomfortable with the truth. A terrorist. 

      It is wrong to perpetuate the Latte Left’s deception by only referring to this scum as “overweight and middle aged”, like he’s some harmless chubby accountant from over the road.

      He is a terrorist and you should either do some research or stop misrepresenting the truth by avoiding it.

      He formed the paramilitary arm of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade, and more recently through his extensive arms dealings, forged links with the Al-Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.

      He was in Dubai to arrange buying more arms from Iran for Hamas.

      He was also a key figure behind the kidnapping and murder of two Israeli soldiers in 1989. On Al Jazeerah TV, Mabhouh admitted his involvement, saying he had disguised himself as an Orthodox Jew.

      Not mentioning these facts are simply distortion and misrepresentation.

      In any case, Mossad did the world a favour. If it’s ok for this scum to deal in death, then he can meet his.

    • lets' talk facts says:

      05:08pm | 26/02/10

      Jack Thomas
      Well you have a very interesting comment.  Very much up-there with the best of the best.  You have a ‘eureka’ from me. I take it you speak on authority and your references are based on facts?

    • Mick says:

      05:56pm | 26/02/10

      Just like its distortion and misrepresentation not to mention the entire reason the Middle East is at war in the first place.

      The capture and annexation of Palestine in the 1967 war by Israel, who only regained peace with Egypt after giving back the land they took, but as yet won’t give back the land they stole from the Palestinians.

      Israel was attacked and accused the Palestinians of organising the attacks BUT the Palestinians sent their commiserations for the terrorist attack but it failed to get to them in time prior to Israel starting the 6 day war, and the rest they say is history. Israel stole the land they now occupy.

      Yes Hamas does very very bad things. But wouldn’t you do the same if some Foreign power came into your land with tanks and planes and claimed ownership of the land based on NOTHING but the bible?

      Or how we constantly hear how Iran is the biggest threat to the Middle East. Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. Israel has not, and continues to hold over 200 Nuclear Warheads.

      They do as they please and the rest of the world walks around on egg shells because of WWII.

      It’s time people woke up.


      And no, I’m not a member of the Latte Left. I just know the difference between right and wrong, and you can’t steal someones land and then expect them to roll over and go away.

      If there is to EVER be peace in the Middle East. Israel must give back the land they stole. That is the ONLY logical outcome, and until then I’m sorry to say but terrorism won’t be going away any time soon.

    • Dan says:

      06:07pm | 26/02/10

      Scum? You, of all people, should be careful about using that term. Anyway contrary to what you might think the Latte Left (what do you drink? Beer?) has no problem using the term terrorist, however if he is overweight and middle aged, then he is overweight and middle aged, or do terrorists age differently and have different health problems to non-terrorists? Fool.

    • Faten says:

      08:31pm | 26/02/10

      @ Mick, about time some one made the facts clear! Sick of hearing the one sided debate when it comes to Israel. Why do people walk on egg shells when it comes to this country and its right and freedoms. Yes its a cruel thing what happened before and during wwII but they wern’t the only minority group or religious group to be treated poorly. Why are the catholics, gypsies, homosexuals, any political enemy of Hitler all ignored, they went through this just as much as the Jewish people.
      Yet when Isreal dishes this out to Palestinians but in a different form, but in my opinion murder is murder no matter how its committed, Isreals murderous regime is ignored, its racist regime is ignored. I suppose as long as the Arabs are killed nobody cares.

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:30pm | 26/02/10

      @ Dan
      The man was scum Dan just look at his horrible record. It was misleading of the OP to leave out any details of it. Thats actually called “stacking the deck” aka “hasty generalization” or the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Infact do a google search.
      How your able to infer that Jack Thomas is scum because he simply presented more facts than the somewhat disengenious OP is utterly baffling and indicates you have some sort of agenda, as usual.
      Oh and lay off the ad hominen attacks, you used 2 in your little rant.

    • Joe says:

      10:52pm | 26/02/10

      Actually the first modern terrorist attack, post world war 2, was when David Ben-Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister and Menchem Begin, who became the sixth Israeli Prime Minister, both plotted to bomb the King David Hotel, where the British Mandate and military were stationed in 1946.  The bombing was eventually carried out by the Irgunists resulting in 91 people being killed and 46 injured.

      Based on your argument that Israel did the right thing in assassinating Mahmoud al-Mabhouh as he was a terrorist, shouldn’t they have killed David Ben-Gurion and Menchem Begin based on their involvement in that bombing as well?

      Just goes to show, ones mans freedom fighter is a terrorist to another.

    • Robert Smissen says:

      11:43pm | 26/02/10

      I am with you Jack although I always thought it a pity they didn’t take out Yasser Arafat a terrorist/murderer of immense proportions

    • Dan Same says:

      09:41pm | 27/02/10

      Macon Paine, I don’t need to be told by you whether this man was scum or not. He was. But then, based on numerous posts, so are certain people who post on this blog. I also don’t need to be told by you to do a ‘google search’ since I probably know more about this than you do. Jack Thomas, and people of his ilk, are scum, and if you think that’s baffling, that’s not my problem. I ‘have some sort of agenda, as usual’? That’s right. My agenda is against racists and fools. I make no apologies for that. I dislike people who are racist and are intellectual buffoons. Why would you have a problem with that? Or should I even ask?

      “Oh and lay off the ad hominen attacks, you used 2 in your little rant.”  Well, it wasn’t actually a rant, but if anyone speaks or acts like a fool, I will call them on it. Oh, and how is referring to the left as the ‘latte left’ intellectually productive? So, no I will not ‘lay off’ calling people on what they are.

      Macon, I don’t need a lecture from you of all people. If you agree with Thomas, then you are just as much of a fool as he is, and if you agree with him on Islam, you are just as much of a racist as he is. It’s as simple as that.

    • cats says:

      05:24pm | 28/02/10

      “Latte Left” - what an absolutely pathetic term. Get over yourself - you’re not that awesome. Funnily enough, i agree with a lot of your post. But i guess people like you just can’t comprehend that there is such thing as Centre.

    • Dan says:

      07:12pm | 28/02/10

      Cats, I don’t know if you’re talking to me, but I’m not the one who first used the term “latte left.” So to say that I should get over myself and I’m ‘not that awesome’, what does that have to do with anything?

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:12pm | 28/02/10

      @ Dan
      Hey Dan Same dont get me wrong im not attacking you, im attacking your weak arguments so dont take it personally. If you want to attack someones argument go ahead but if your arguments are logically flawed dont expect people to sit by and swallow your tripe.
      Im glad you think Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was scum that at least proves you have some common sense and decency.
      The point I was making is fairly obvious, how can you label Jack Thomas scum and a fool for simply attempting to introduce relevant facts not included by the OP? This is a non sequitur (it does not follow) and the 3rd logical fallacy so far.  Whats really baffling to me is that you think you can use logical fallacies to prove your point, if your going to do this then Im going to call you out on it, so the problem is not really mine Dan.
      Then you ramble on with a “slippery slope” argument (4th fallacy) implying that because I find your arguments baffling that im racist and an intellectual buffoon.
      As to your next paragraph it’s just nonsense, you still haven’t given us any logical reason nor proof for us to think Jack Thomas is what you say he is. When to the contrary he has provided plenty of proof to indicate that Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was scum.  The ‘Latte Left” jibe was uncalled for I agree with you there, but as a libertarian it’s oh so funny to see you lefties fly off the handle over it! Oh what the heck, do you prefer Champagne Socialists?
      You state “Macon, I don’t need a lecture from you of all people.” Is this your code for “shut up and stop exposing my intellectual dishonesty”?Two posts, 4 logical fallacies (so far) and you defended the OP’s hasty generalization in your first post, how can you not expect people to call you out over it?
      Finally you state “If you agree with Thomas, then you are just as much of a fool as he is, and if you agree with him on Islam, you are just as much of a racist as he is. It’s as simple as that.”
      I dont support the death penalty or state sponsored assassinations so I guess that means I dont support Jack Thomas on this one but some people do because they believe they are sometimes the only legitimate or fitting punishment. The people who do obviously got to him first.
      Finally what does Islam have to do with this? (red herring, 5th fallacy), no one mentioned Islam not the OP nor Jack Thomas. Islam is not a race by the way, it is a religion so your accusation of racism doesn’t stand.

    • Dan says:

      01:31am | 01/03/10

      Macon Pine, I will simply say a few comments:
      1)I was responding to Jack Thomas, not you.
      2)I did not utilise any logical fallacies; you need to actually learn what logical fallacies are. You clearly have no idea.
      3)When I said I don’t take any lectures from you, that was code for ‘I don’t take any lectures’ from you. Read my post again. If anyone was being intellectually dishonest, it was you.
      4)I do not need to be told by you whether I have common sense or decency.
      5)It is not my problem as to whether you are baffled.
      6)My argument was not tripe. I won’t say the same for you however.
      7)Your argument, especially about that stupid ‘latte left’ thing and and concerning your beloved logical fallacies, is rubbish.
      8)It is now widely acknowledged that villifying someone based on their religion IS racism, and if you can’t see where I brought up Islam, then maybe it was because I wasn’t responding to you!
      9)I was responding to Jack Thomas, not you.

    • Macon Paine says:

      05:50am | 01/03/10

      @ Dan
      Dan reading your posts is like sitting in front of an open hydrant of ignorance.
      If your aim is to prevent people from replying to you by annoying them with childish rhetoric and handwaving away inconvienient facts, consider yourself very successfull. Im not surprised Jack Thomas hasn’t bothered to reply to your ad hominen attacks, because you deny even launching them! There is not point in attempting to have a conversation with you, I should have realised this earlier, your intellectual dishonesty knows no bounds. You use logical fallacies to support your argument then you deny you use them even when they have been counted and pointed out. That is the hallmark of buffoonery, unable to admit your wrong in any way and take constructive criticism. Your clearly not interested in debate, you just want everyone to see things your way. How sad.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      10:32am | 01/03/10

      @let’s talk facts - which facts are you disputing?

      His terrorism and arms dealing associations are listed everywhere, even a basic Wiki mention happily lists them. Is that beyond you, or anyone else claiming to be a journo in this country?

      Terrorist? Yep.

      Feel free to check the references of him admitting on Al Jazeera TV of his planning of the kidnap and murder of two Israeli soldiers, and boasting of his disguise as an othodox Jew.

      Arms dealer? Yep.

      Even the BBC states “Mr Mabhouh was, by Hamas’s own account, responsible for supplying militants in the Gaza Strip. Hamas said Mr Mabhouh was “on a mission” when he was killed. Dubai is also the nexus of Iranian sanction-busting, according to Haaretz, with thousands of Iranian companies registered there. According to Iranian figures quoted by Haaretz, there was a projected $15bn of trade between Iran and Dubai”.

      Note the weak reference by the BBC to ‘militants’. Usual weak left watering down someone’s crimes.

      Interestingly, it is highly likely other Palestinians were complicit in the hit, as is the case in previous Mossad hits (like Munich 11). There is a long history of these guys giving each other up. To quote the BBC again, “Two unnamed Palestinians who tried to flee the United Arab Emirates to Jordan last week were arrested and are being interrogated by the Dubai police. They believe at least one of these Palestinians had contact with the hit team before Mr Mabhouh was murdered. There are reported suspicions voiced across the region that the Palestinian Authority, run by Hamas’s rival organisation Fatah, might have had a hand in the attack”. 

      Ok, so I don’t actually have proof that he was overweight.

      Otherwise I he may have been a really nice terrorist and arms dealer.

      Next.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      11:19am | 01/03/10

      So Dan, which part of his naming as a terrorist and arms dealer don’t you agree with?

      Or are you suggesting the whiny Left on the ABC, etc. actually call a terrorist a terrorist? They don’t. The Latte Left still refer to them as “militants”.

      In the jumbled waffle you posted, you actually sound like you are justifying the Latte left having some sort of hardline stance by calling him overweight and middle aged (“ooohhh, nasty..”).

      You do make me laugh though, “I don’t need to be told by you whether this man was scum or not. He was. But then, based on numerous posts, so are certain people who post on this blog”.

      Wow, so we have terrorists and arms dealers on his blog?

      I also laughed at your “My agenda is against racists and fools. I make no apologies for that. I dislike people who are racist and are intellectual buffoons. If you agree with Thomas, then you are just as much of a fool as he is, and if you agree with him on Islam, you are just as much of a racist as he is. It’s as simple as that”.

      Here we go again, Dan. Please define racism in reference to Islam. Oh yes, you can’t. That’s right, racism refers to race. Which race is Islam again?

      It’s like ‘wack a mole’ game, with the stupid little creature keeps popping its head up to get wacked time and again. Come on Dan, head up. 

      While you’re on your rant, feel free to pick out the racism in my post. Oh, that’s right, I picked on the race called the Left, belittling them for their middle class socialism over a chai latte. No fun Dan, no brain either.

      Take your wet lettuce leaf and flog yourself with it.

    • Dan says:

      01:50pm | 01/03/10

      Macon, Yoru are the most absurd person out there. My posts ‘are like sitting in front of an open hydrant of ignorance’? Right, whatever you say. Youn would of course know about this.

      I have no need or desire to debate with epople who are as ignorant as you are. I don;t mind constructive criticism, as long as it was real and it came from someone who knew what they were talking about!

      “You use logical fallacies to support your argument then you deny you use them even when they have been counted and pointed out.” Except you didn’t point any out.

      ‘Im not surprised Jack Thomas hasn’t bothered to reply to your ad hominen attacks, because you deny even launching them!’ Not true. I don’y deny calling people names; I deny using logical fallacies. There is a difference.

      “There is not point in attempting to have a conversation with you, I should have realised this earlier, your intellectual dishonesty knows no bounds.” No, the only intellectually dishonest one is you, who is aslo so arrogant as to think that you know what you are talking about!

      ” That is the hallmark of buffoonery, unable to admit your wrong in any way and take constructive criticism.” I will take constructive criticism from those who have the intellect to give it.

      “Your clearly not interested in debate, you just want everyone to see things your way. How sad.” Give me a break. What a stupid statement. Do you read the things you write?

      Pine, I am interested in debate; I just want to have it with people who are not as ignorant as you are!

    • Macon Paine says:

      10:50am | 02/03/10

      @ Dan
      Your “whack a muppet” game is very tiresome so I’d like to point out one last thing you said: “I don’y deny calling people names; I deny using logical fallacies. There is a difference.”
      Wrong Dan there is no difference see here: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
      Your obviously dont know what a logical fallacy is and calling people names (whilst not only childish so grow up) is a logical fallacy. Remeber that honesty is the best policy Dan, so if you dont know what someones talking about it’s probably better to just admit it (you could have done a simple google search and saved yourself the embarrassment you know) than try to bluff your way out very unsuccessfully.

    • Dan says:

      09:25pm | 02/03/10

      Pine, the only thing tiresome is that you presuume to know more about logical fallacies than I do. I don’t need to google anything; perhaps you should! (BTW there is a difference, but then you wouldn’t know much about that would you?)

    • Oops I stuffed up says:

      01:37pm | 26/02/10

      Sounds like some one stuffed-up.  Let us all wait to hear how the media relays the message over this mangled tangle.  What exactly will the Federal Police investigations sniff out.  What will the facts be I wander?  Will the passport investigation end up as “no-fix name from no-fix-address”.  May-be we will never really know the exact truth.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:36pm | 26/02/10

      Contrary to popular belief Israel does not exist, it’s a state created by the erlier version of the Coalition of the Willing. It is actualy Arab land and always has been. Israeli’s aren’t a race, they are an amalgam of many races who follow one religion.. The created land is in fact a dumping ground for the world’s unwanted.

      Prior to 1948, people in that region moved around fairly freely, the creation of Isreal stopped all that and we have had unrest ever since.

    • Pabz says:

      04:53pm | 26/02/10

      Actually, if your a believer in the bible, jerusalem was a part of the land of the isrealites.  If your a believer in history, the romans seemed to think so too. 

      If you want to go by the premise that one country doesnt exist because the land used to be owned by someone else, then in theory the UK isnt the UK at all, and the united states of america is a series of red indian tribes.

      Lets talk facts here, isreal is there, has been for quite some time, and probably isnt going to just go away.  To say that it doesnt exist is just plain ridiculous.

      Not particularly a fan of some of their policies, projects and the shadier side of their international dealings, but lets not forget that its not all one sided either.

      Many of the problem areas which the isrealis now inhabit came as a result of the six day war, which ironically enough, was caused by basically all of isreals arab neighbours banding together to try to kill them.  They lost. 

      The current climate is a mixture of racial and religious hatred, bad policy, and the inflexibility of others.

    • Eric says:

      05:06pm | 26/02/10

      If Israel doesn’t exist, why are you criticising it?

    • John A Neve says:

      05:59pm | 26/02/10

      Eric & Pabz,

      Firstly I have not criticised Israel, secondly it has only been there since 1948. As to the Bible it is about as relevant as the Little Red Book.

    • Katie says:

      03:05am | 27/02/10

      So by your logic all the countries created by the Treaty of Versailles; War of Indpendence etc are also man made and therefore do not exist and indeed countries like Hungary who are really Magyars from Turkey and an amalgam of people just like all Europeans and American and yes…Austalians (who are also an amalgam of people from different lands) were also dumping grounds for the unwanted.  Consider leaning about history prior to commenting. Judea and Smarai were all jewish lands well before any Arabs decided to occupy. Prior to 1948 the British invaded the territory as well as many others before then- but of course this is your so called “rest”! Do not rewrite history to suit your own political agenda- try and actually consider being truthful and not naive and gullible.

    • Eric says:

      09:00am | 27/02/10

      If Israel has been there since 1948, then surely it must exist? How can something “be there” without existing?

    • John A Neve says:

      05:18pm | 27/02/10

      Katie & Eric,
      Drawing lines on a map does not create a country, the land was always there, Israel was not. The Arabs have just a much if not more ownership of the land than this amalgam of interlopers.

      The earlier Coalition of the Willing broke their commitment to the Arabs, that is why here will never be any peace over there.

    • A Dose says:

      10:42pm | 27/02/10

      Now Katie,  are you going to stand by this comment:  “...Judea and Smarai were all jewish lands well before any Arabs decided to occupy….”?  You should actually know history before you try to quote it.  You will find that Jews and Arabs are essentially part of the same family of races (Semitic, a term first used by ancient Persian rulers to describe those “tribes and races” at the edges of their, then, empire).  Both Jew and Arab languages are very closely related and can trace their alphabets to the ancient Cannite (Old Phoenician).  Both races have lived in that part of the world as long as the other.  “Nations” are simply defined by the area power can be applied by those who have it - not racial residency.  There may have been a genocide in ancient times, as hinted in the bible (by the way, have you read it or are you spewing last sundays sermon?), but that only reinforces the fact that this area has always been home to more than one race, and more than one religion (a fact also supported in you book).

    • Eric says:

      09:12am | 28/02/10

      Saying a country doesn’t exist won’t make it go away, John.

    • John A Neve says:

      05:09pm | 28/02/10

      Eric,

      That is the problem, all the time we (coalition of the willing), support a separate state of Israel there will be war.

    • James says:

      11:55am | 01/03/10

      Katie,

      I guess that, true to your principles, you will hand you place back to the local Aborigines then, as it was clearly Aboriginal land well before Europeans decided to occupy it.  If I were you, I would consider our own history before advocating such a course of action.  Unless you are a hypocrite, in which case, you are perfectly entitled to apply a clear double-standard.

    • formersnag says:

      02:45pm | 26/02/10

      Usually, if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, then, its a duck and can expect to be shot like a duck.

    • Kim says:

      04:14pm | 26/02/10

      and then cooked like a duck.  Duck a l’orange - yumm

    • Francis says:

      02:50pm | 26/02/10

      This isnt hardly a suprise Israel will do what they ever they deem necessary to survive.  Normally their targets just die from heart attacks, renal failure etc etc. It funny how many targets that have medical conditions die from them. As far as Australia is concerned we really dont want to know about it or pull Israel in for a rigerous talking to. Its a bit of we dont tell you how to govern you dotn tell us. Im pretty sure Israel are embarrased as we are

    • Davido says:

      03:19pm | 26/02/10

      Interesting article. This sort of thing is not really a chapter out of how to make friends and influence people.

      If it is true that ‘many dual nationality Israelis would happily give up their second passport for the cause anyway.’ then perhaps we should reconsider allowing dual citzenship with Israel.

      We should definitely consider adding Israel to the list of countries whose citizens will be fingerprinted when they enter the country.

    • A.L says:

      10:25am | 27/02/10

      Hey Davido-

      I wander what the author of ‘how to make friends and influence people’ Written by Dale Carnegie would handle the business of war.  Perhaps they should take a leaf out of his book ah?  Then then again it has been said the(rich)  Arab’s can be rather barbaric.  It appears the Israel’s are some what clumsy in the handling of things.

    • T.Chong says:

      03:44pm | 26/02/10

      “Brave Little Israel” utter crap .Murderous thugs, inspired by some god ordained duty to protect the country ?- if any one offered this as an excuse for Arab backed crimes, our society would be aghast, yet when Israel does it, excuses are trotted out.
      Why arent these agents labelled as the the murderers they are?

    • Faten says:

      08:36pm | 26/02/10

      For once I actually like what you wrote, it’s true if Arabs committed the same crime their ‘terrorist’ but it’s the Israeli’s so their just Assassins! A murderer is a murderer i don’t care what the reason is, blood is blood.

    • Steve says:

      03:52pm | 26/02/10

      I am sorry I could not read this beyond the opening turgid, stupid line “Visitors are treated with all the caution you would expect from the world’s most suspicious and fearful regime”. If Israel is that - where does that place North Korea?? (Just for one!) When will “journalists” refrain from hyperbole that is so clearly over the top and just plain wrong???

    • FROM A WOMEN POINT OF VIEW. says:

      06:28pm | 26/02/10

      The Arab/Israel war, put forward by idiots . A stupid war.  The fact is that a war is developed to entertain bored macho-men.  Those type of bullies with big-guts, alcoholic red nosed, with small ‘mens parts’ sitting behind their desks, feeling so grand, so powerful and view themselves as Holy, like to Sudan type, or, better still, a Hilter type ( who instantly was the illegitimate son of a Jew) .  The Arabs are barbaric in my eyes.  The only things those guys cam do, and should only be allowed to do is shovel, a lot of horse manure! 

      We need women to walk the streets, just like they did in Ireland, take control stop their war games.  Why don’t we take up a collection and buy them toy tanks and trucks, set them up into a sand pit, just like the kids have in your back yard, so then we might have some peace!

    • Eric says:

      06:53pm | 27/02/10

      Yay! You win the Stupidity Prize!

    • observe says:

      05:15pm | 28/02/10

      Eric, you wrote this didn’t you. So you could bring man vs woman into the article. And then reply to it in the hope of getting others to argue with you. Haha.

    • A Dose says:

      07:59am | 01/03/10

      FROM A WOMEN POINT OF VIEW:  Your statement ” ...The Arabs are barbaric in my eyes.”  cannot be tolerated.

      What a stupid, racist , historically repugnant, ideology-driven rant from a pig with a village idiot perspective. 

      Western “culture” would not exist if not for the arabic empires that preserved to the ancient Greek/Persian/Egyptian knowledge that the christian church had driven from the new germanic kingdoms in Europe,  adding the learning of China and India through their extensive trade.  This allowed the “renaissance” through the Jewish population Andalusia left behind.

      Basic history - grade 3 stuff - I’m quite sure that most who have read you post are embarrassed FOR you.

      As for your rant on women in politics - Catherine the Great immediately comes to mind, so too Joan of Arc (do you get the picture?) - politics are politics - and “leaders” will do whatever it takes to hold onto or expand their power base.

    • The Drover says:

      06:59pm | 26/02/10

      Good on Mossad, good riddance to bad rubbish, only wish this country drank a can of toughen up and looked at the world the same way. Believe it or not we used to!, Seems all those Arts degrees have gotten in the way of clear eyed reality.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      07:30pm | 26/02/10

      Ironic that Isreal was founded upon terrorism by the Irgun and Stern Gang, lives with the fear of terrorism and uses counterterrorism (state sponsored terrorism to counter other terrorists) to defend itself.

    • Radical Chick says:

      09:57pm | 26/02/10

      I saw several targeted killings by the Americans of Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists and I for one never lost sleep over this.
      Likewise I don’t lose sleep over Israel targeting Terrorists and killing them.  I think the world is a better place without those who conspire to kill civilians.
      Now what I doubt very much is that Mossad has anything whatsoever to do with this….They surely didn’t need 26+ people in Dubai to carry out a hit and then some of the suspects escaped to Iran??....excuse me????
      I don’t believe it. And until proof is made available to us I think Israel is innocent.  Nobody has any proof otherwise. I do not accuse others based on theories.
      As for Krudd….this was the only thing he said the entire week that wasn’t about the failed roof insulation scheme. He decidedly needed a diversion and followed ( as he often do) the steps of Britain and other Europeans in delivering warns to Israel even without any evidence to do so.
      This will end up in the sand though. Krudd has no evidence.
      Just for the record…I have been to some 20+ embassies in my life. Never ever I found any whose friendly receptionists offered me cups of tea….I wonder if that is only me…...

    • Jordan says:

      12:04am | 27/02/10

      Are the Jews becoming the enslavers that they once fell victim to? Didn’t the Nazis believe they were protecting their people from the “rats” infestation of their country? The Israelis treat Arabs like rats.

    • Razor says:

      12:13am | 27/02/10

      I’d be rather chuffed if Mossad had used my passport as part of an effort to rub out a terrorist.

    • ALL FOR IT says:

      06:32pm | 27/02/10

      Hey Razor,

      Now there’s a positive note..I like it.. thanks

    • A Dose says:

      10:52pm | 27/02/10

      Then give it to them, Razor, and go live there.  Those who live by the sword…....

    • jed says:

      03:37am | 28/02/10

      until the terrorist’s associates showed up on your doorstep

    • Brendan says:

      04:25am | 27/02/10

      There is a strong division in Hamas over how to deal with Israel now that it has power in Gaza; given the poor quality of the passports and disguises used in this operation it is just as likely to be an operation by one wing of Hamas against another with the blame deflected to Israel.

    • Justan Oz says:

      11:32am | 27/02/10

      After W.W.2 there was world wide sympathy for the jewish people..Now i am afraid that,that sympathy has all but disappeared, mainly because of their thuggish behaviour toward anybody that thinks that the people of Palestine should have some of their own land back ,and be allowed to have their own country and be allowed to prosper in it..                                          Hatred only breeds more hatred!——No i am not a so called “latte leftie”...

    • Stu Man Chu says:

      07:13pm | 28/02/10

      Too true.
      I too am not a Latte Leftie,

      I’ll have a Long Machiatto thanks.

    • iansand says:

      06:26pm | 28/02/10

      Everyone in that conflict lies.  Everyone in that conflict uses tactics that are beyond the furthest reaches of civilised behaviour.  There are no white hats in the Middle East.

      It is time the world stopped taking sides, and it is time the world forced all parties to compromise or be placed outside the pale of civilised folk.

    • Timmo says:

      08:57am | 01/03/10

      Didn’t President Gadaffi recently put forward his ideas on this subject?. He thinks that they should make one state under one government for both jews and palestinians with both sharing in the running of the new nation?. I thought that was a good idea. Maybe this is a way. He feels that it may be a good way to settle down trouble in the region. I always felt that these hatreds go back a long way. I never thought it was a good idea to continue the hatred by teaching your children to hate the others for ever and ever. I mean, the past has finished and the evils of it should not be continued. All this behaviour affects every nation in the world and creates instability and fear. But they all must love it over there, the killings etc. Imagine living there, what a horror story. It’s supposed to be the Holy Land where great Saintly people and Prophets walked and they all treat it like the killing fields. A discrace really. I wonder what Jesus and Abraham would have to say if they were alive today. I think they have all missed the point. People create their own lives and therefore they can have hatred and misery forever or they can follow their spiritual Masters who taught peace and love. It’s a choice, and if they continue down the road of hatred there will be nothing for them at the end. I think we should all go and listen to the John Lennon song, ” Imagine”, and follow the thoughts behind that. Although John was killed for nothing, the legacy of his music lingers on for us all to hear. Now isn’t that good?!!

    • James says:

      03:29pm | 02/03/10

      Well the proof will be in the pudding as to whether this makes Israelies safer or not.  Ultimately I don’t think you can secure peace by killing people.

 

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