BDS BS: Labor’s infected and the Greens are gangrenous

TimB says:

06:18am | 20/04/11

Go away troll.

Rev says:

07:21am | 20/04/11

“complete control of the federal senate”

This should be entertaining.

Tiny Dancer says:

07:25am | 20/04/11

Sara.  If they could ix the roads it would be a start.  Just a bunch of pumped up nobodies making worthless declarations.  By the way the boycott was voted down, it didn’t go anywhere.

Andy D says:

08:00am | 20/04/11

Every time I see your name on a post Sarah Bath, I am reminded of your comment a few weeks ago that it is “unfortunate” that we live in a democracy and can’t just force everybody to do what you and the extremist minority you belong to think is right.

The foul-mouthed, aggressive, abusive Green supporters who threatened and spat on people who didn’t agree with them at last night’s Marrickville Council meeting showed Australia what the Greens really are.

DJ says:

08:13am | 20/04/11

You definietly are a goose Sarah.

grumpy old man says:

08:18am | 20/04/11

” Hopefully one day we can silence those espousing vile and we can all live in a better society. “,
that’ll be the day you leave it!

Deano says:

08:21am | 20/04/11

Wow, Copy/Paste Much?

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/eskalating-pressure-gets-council-out-of-a-pickle/ (Look for Sarah’s Comment there)

Seriously do you just have a script that is sent to you By the Greens head office every week?

Margaret says:

08:33am | 20/04/11

Thanks Sarah, your last sentence confirms everything Eric Abetz and Paul Howes warn against.

Geoff - Brisbane says:

08:38am | 20/04/11

So the way “innocent” people end “illegal occupation” and “discrimination” is to elect a terrorist group (hamas) with a charter to destroy another country and then proceed to fire rockets at and set off car bombs in that country?

Although you’d think they would pick on a soft target, Israel knows how to take care of business.

Oh and one last thing sarah, since when did a local council believe it had a right to dictate the items sold in a supermarket? Sounds like something Hamas would do.

Bruce says:

11:23am | 20/04/11

Sarah Bath: You are entitled to your opinion. However, you are doing your green course little good. Keep sending your opinions, it only helps re-inforce just exactly what the greens stand for and why more people are now understanding why we should NOT vote for the greens. The sooner the greens are sent to the back water of politics the better off the ALP will be.

Pauline says:

02:10pm | 20/04/11

I abhor the cliched,over used and abused phrase “Un-Australian”,
but Sarah Bath it describes you to a T.
Either that or you are just plain nuts.
You are without question uninformed, an anarchist, and sadly anti-semitic.
One wonders if you are at all aware that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Have you ever been there by the way?

Steve L says:

05:03pm | 20/04/11

Well said Sarah.

Alan says:

06:26pm | 20/04/11

Nazi!

John says:

06:38pm | 20/04/11

Sarah you do realise that isreal was created under UN guidlines and upon its creation all the arab countries declared war upon it. Have you met or spoken to anyone during this period of the six day war, if you had you would of heard from them the daily calls via loud speaker by arab leaders stating they would kill all jews that were there and drive them to the sea. Isreal reacted to this threat and swiftly defeated six arab nations in one day/

do you think it is fair that Hamas fire rockets into Isreal on a daily basis or that bombs are left on the side of the street for ppl to be killed by. How about the fact that it has been stated by groups like hamas even if the occupied territories are handed back they will not stop there attacks by drive the jews into the seas till jews are wiped from the face of the earth.

Is funny how everyone in the world condems Isreal from protecting itself but no one says a word about India who have the same problem as isreal in regards to constant terrorist attacks yet no one says a word about it. Dont forget most terrorist groups such as LeT believe that Kashmir/Jammu is part of Pakistan and that India illegally occupying it.

Double standards I guess, right Sarah. One question I have for you Sarah, have you ever travelled overseas.

Seano says:

07:50pm | 20/04/11

@John - you do realise Sarah is a troll?

As indicated by “her” Facebook profile which has obviously been set up to press every button for your average hard right winger “she’s” just about winding people up. The only question is what’s “her” motivation? To get column inches of rage for apoleptic right wingers or to piss off lefties by misrepresenting their views?

Glen says:

10:44pm | 20/04/11

Can’t believe BDS hasn’t been abandoned by the Greens yet. They have no hope peddling this nonsense.

Guess their taking a page from Eric Cartmen influencing the gullible citizens of South Park (i.e. the unions in our case) - es ist zeit fur reich, wir mussen die juden ausrotten!

Sony B Goode says:

08:49am | 21/04/11

Sarah is a class A dhimmi

Coaster says:

01:22pm | 21/04/11

Sarah, keep talking please - thinking voters who may have been swayed by the wale saving banter of previous Greens need to wake up to the real dangers of your party, not just the racist overtones but stuff like death duties, higher taxes, capital gains on the family home, wide spread industry nationalisation and the underlying medieval agrarian lifestyle you would impose on us all.

Margo says:

05:39pm | 21/04/11

John says ‘isreal was created under UN guidlines and upon its creation all the arab countries declared war upon it….drive them to the sea. Isreal reacted to this threat and swiftly defeated six arab nations in one day’

John, the people of region that was given away by the UN were NOT in agreement with any such decision.

If the UN had decided to give people of Jewish faith, or any other faith or sect, I would also be out there in full defence of my birthplace.

The 6 day war was NOT a victory for anyone .....

Paulb says:

08:59am | 23/04/11

Boycott and divestment is a much bigger affair in countries where the Murdoch Press doesn’t dominate the discourse.  Those of you who think Israel is in anyway some kind of friend know nothing of this poisonous little place.

RonD says:

09:33am | 25/04/11

Sarah if everyone espousing vile was silent we wouldn’t hear from you and I would miss my morning giggle.

Richard says:

04:54pm | 30/04/11

Fascinating how as ever, the response is to attack the messenger rather than the message.That is because, of course, the message is rather hard to attack.
A BDS campaign worked against apartheid in South Africa and it is working already against apartheid Israel.
Oddly enough, not a single mention of the HUMAN RIGHTS of the Palestinians in this article or any of the silly answers by those who appear to oppose such a concept.
The ALP opposed this because their leader was put in place by the Zionist Lobby (Public domain references offered if required) and has the spine of a jelly fish. Ditto those from the Greens who capitulated to Brown and his craven cave in.
Israel and it’s enablers have power to continue their oppressive and illegal actions only as long as they are allowed to by the weak and pathetic who allow themselves to be ‘blackmailed’ by ridiculous labels.
As to repeating the usual hoary old hasbara of ‘the only democracy inm the Middle east’
1) Ask any Muslin in Israel if he/she is treated the same as any returning neo-jew. As if anybody in the Palestinian diaspora can return as freely as any such neo-jew.
2) Unfortunately for the oft repeated idiot smears, many Muslims seem quite determined to live in a democracy but of their own making. It might have slipped the attention of some here but many are laying down their lives to achieve just that. How many here would do that?

Nil by Mouth says:

12:21pm | 20/04/11

Isn’t it ironic that as soon as Islam gains a political majority in Australia, the first ones to be killed will be the (anti-religious, anti-semitic, pro-homosexual) lefties who will have helped get them into power! In a twisted kind of way I hope I live to see the day.

Yak of the Goldfields says:

12:48pm | 20/04/11

What a rant. You go Assad. Keep spewing forth selected statistics to support your stance.

If Israel had kept to the lands “given” to them in ‘47, I would have no problems with it’s plight. If a powerful neighbour keeps moving your fenceline because a 1400 yr old book say’s it actually belongs to them, I don’t think you would sit back as they took your swimming pool as their own, build a bloody big wall around it and wouldn’t allow you to use it.  Don’t you think this is the reason they are turning against western ideals if occupation and segregation is what it stands for?

Aaron says:

01:07pm | 20/04/11

Well lets look at this a little more Assad…

When Islam first started moving through the Middle East (centuries ago) they passed by the Christians and the Jews waving a hand in friendship and acknowledging that while Christians and Jews did not see things exactly the same as Islam they all three had the same common core belief, one true God.

Islam was spread through peace. When those in the town of Jerusalem chose to follow Islam the Christians chose to get involved by sending down a warforce.

The interesting thing here is that Islam acknowledges the existence of Jesus (not as a saviour but as a prophet). The wars being fought in the Middle East at current are not so much about religion but about politics. Many countries have been ruled in the same way for many years, in situations very much like a Monarchy. Yes religion plays a big role there as it does in Britain, America and Australia.

Christianity has been the biggest aggressor in the world since it’s invention. Christianity was the driving force behind the ‘civilising’ of Europe by the Romans, Christianity was behind the genocide of numerous races across the world, Christianity has been behind many of the biggest crimes in the world including WWII and the Holocaust.

We cannot accuse one religion of being evil because they use the cry ‘In Allah’s name’ when the rest of the world uses the cry ‘In God’s name’

james milton says:

02:23pm | 20/04/11

@Islam was spread through peace.

I stopped reading when I saw this laughable sentence. Islam was spread by the sword, much more so than Judaism or Christianity.

Islam is still being spread by the sword. Deny Allah in a Muslim country, and you die.

Erick says:

02:33pm | 20/04/11

Aaron, I really hope you’re trolling, because I’d hate to think anyone actually had such a false view of history.

“Islam was spread through peace.”

Islam has always been an aggressive religion, spread by war. It’s in the Koran, if you ever read it.

“Christianity was the driving force behind the ‘civilising’ of Europe by the Romans ...”

Umm, no. The Romans conquered and civilised most of Europe many years before Jesus was born. In fact, if anything, Christianity accompanied the decline and retreat of the classical Roman Empire.

I could go on, but I suggest you read a history book.

Richard says:

02:44pm | 20/04/11

Aaron, check your facts. You have not made one single factual statement. Every single thing you said was erroneous. You are completely wrong, on every front. I mean, I would list every thing you are incorrect about, but it is everything. Everything you wrote is wrong. I am a student of history, and I know for a fact that you sound ridiculous. Are these truly beliefs that you hold in your mind? I mean I’m flabbergasted by how dumb and stupid you can be. If you believe even one of the statements that you wrote, you are wrong and a moron, but to believe all of them? I simply cannot fathom that extremity of imbecility.

Ok, so you said one factually correct statement: that Islam recognizes Jesus Christ as a prophet. But thats it! Thats the only one you are right about. Everything else, from you so called ‘warforce’ (sic) to your “Christianity was the driving force behind the ‘civilising’ of Europe by the Romans” (rubbish, Caesar conquered Gaul even before Jesus was born. Constantine didn’t convert to Christianity until more than 400 years later~ Christians were being tortured in the Colosseum while Rome was civilising Europe) is so stupendously incorrect that you should be charged for crimes against a 5th grader’s level of intelligence.

Yak of the Goldfields, Israel was perfectly content with its 1948 territories as mandated to them by the UN. It was all the Palestinians and Arabs who immediately declared war and tried to drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea. If the vile aggressive Arabs and Palestinians hadn’t so illegally declared war on the Jews and tried to destroy them, then Israel would never have had to annex extra territories to provide a buffer zone for their protection. How can you blame them for taking the necessary steps they needed to take for their own protection against illegal aggressors?

Warlike Palestinians and Arabs only have themselves to blame for their predicament, seeing as they were the ones who tried to destroy the legitimate state of Israel no less than 4 times since Israel’s creation in 1948. I have no sympathy for violent people riddled with irrational hatred of a legitimate UN mandated State (not to mention a good friend of Australia’s).

Jon says:

04:12pm | 20/04/11

Aaron@ You need to read more! The Muslim conquest of India alone was probably the bloodiest in history.

“The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with utmost glee and pride of the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave-markets, and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800AD to 1700 AD.  Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by the sword in this period. 

The cost of the Muslim invasions is massive in lives, wealth and culture.  Estimates suggest that 60-80 MILLION died at the hands of Muslim invaders and rulers between 1000 and 1525 alone”. M. A. Khan.

Christianity never even came close.

L. says:

05:34pm | 20/04/11

“Estimates suggest that 60-80 MILLION died at the hands of Muslim invaders and rulers between 1000 and 1525 alone”.”

I would actually dispute those figures. I doubt that here were than many people alive in total in those areas back then, let alone “just” the number killed.

Besides, deaths due to communism has Islam beaten hands down.

John says:

07:12pm | 20/04/11

Assad add to that Kashmir in India. In 1947 when partation occured it was 90% Hindu/Sikh and only 10% Muslim but in the last 53 yrs it has changed to 5% Hindu/Sikh and 90% Muslim. In one instance a village of Sikhs were all brutually killed by members of LeT. Thier crime was not been muslim and refusing to provide food and rest to the terrorist members.

Even during partation the muslim brotherhood who during the period talked about allowing those of non muslims living in the country that would one day become Pakistan to stay in the lands they have owned and lived in for thousands of years. Once partation occured the group called for all non muslims to leave Pakistan so inturn the India govt ordered all muslims to leave India. As the Hindu/Sikhs started thier movement to the trains leaving for India, the muslim brotherhood unleased a rath that saw trains returning to Dehli and Amristar station filled with dead bodies of Hidus and Sikhs. Soon the Hindu and Sikhs had had enough and returned the favour 10 folds. So Pakistan was crying and calling for India to stop what they had started.

To truely see where a democratic and Islamic country are are you just have to look at India and Pakistan. India one of the highest growth in income and GDP and Pakistan well basket case is the best way to describe it.

John says:

07:20pm | 20/04/11

Aaron and L, I suggest you look at India history with Islam.

Here is one of the rulers of that period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurangzeb

Lawrie says:

04:38pm | 25/04/11

The reality is that both the Muslim and Christian religions have used violent to entrench themselves.  They both have zealots who order the death of any unbelievers, it is just that we have the Christians being in a reasonably dormant period these days.  History shows that the Jews who fought for Israel used violence to protect what they had been given by the UN and now Hamas is fighting to get back what they perceive was taken from them.  Neither is blameless and justifying it all on the basis of religion demonstrates the futility of a man made construct such as organised religion ever being more than a facility for men to continue to wage war against each other. Peace to all etc. as long as it is my peace seems to be the mantra of both sides.

Yuri says:

04:46pm | 20/04/11

Or what about the USA? Or in fact a large percentage of the countries of the world which at somepoint have been invaded or taken over by someone else?

Brian B says:

12:23pm | 20/04/11

Yes, but implementing foreign policy by unelected citizens is certainly not democratic.

acotrel says:

10:13pm | 20/04/11

@BrianB What ever happened to PARTICIPATION?  Is your idea of democracy that thing you do on polling day? You might be a sheep but you shouldn’t expect others to be so compliant when they have legitimate concerns!

BK says:

08:31am | 25/04/11

Why are the union movement even interested in these causes? Someone needs to ask the union movement “what about the workers?”

acotrel says:

08:56am | 20/04/11

I don’t support the boycott against Israel although I see some justification for it.  The trouble is that it can easily revert to good old 30s antisemitism.  Especially if poisonous rhetoric becomes more fashionable in other parties?

John A Neve says:

09:25am | 20/04/11

AtM,

Just why is the “boycot against Irael disgusting”?
We had a boycot against South Africa for much the same reasons eg racial discrimination. I’d suggest any thing that could break the deadlock between the Jewish and Islamic community is worth a try.

Perhaps AtM, you could offer a better solution?

Deena says:

10:45am | 20/04/11

John, you seem to be making a fool of yourself on this forum on a daily basis. Maybe ATM is right when he posted yesterday that you might be a Liberal hacker pretending to be a brain-dead ALP follower.

John A Neve says:

11:30am | 20/04/11

Deena,
You have taken two sentences and said nothing! Just what is your point Deena, you do have one, don’t you?

Against the Man says:

02:47pm | 20/04/11

John the issues in the middle east are very complex, far greater men than myself have tried to solve it and failed. This boycott is clearly an exercise in antisemitism.

Why target Israel? Did we boycott Afghanistan and all associated middle eastern countries to support the US after 9-11?
Did we boycott Singapore after they hung Australians?
Did we boycott Indonesia for the Bali bombing?

I can’t offer a better solution. If I could I would.

@Deena - John is my ‘secret Liberal agent’ he is pretending to be a dummy ALP supporter. I get so much inspiration from him and he does more damage than I could alone to the ALP cause. Please keep posting John A Neve my best buddy on The Punch!

CABAL says:

03:21pm | 20/04/11

Israel is the only things keeping things under control in the Middle East.
They have smashed various Islamic nations to pieces in war after war after war +1.
They are supported by the west +1
They largely ignore outdated and pointless UN conventions +1
They support intergration of Judaism and Christianity +1
Their nation was carved out of the Middle East Post WW2 and surrounding nations weren’t asked if this was ok, so they are in many ways the ultimate symbol of western power telling the world what to do +1
They have a high quality of goods +1
Terrorists live in the Gaza Strip and attack Israel every day +1

John A Neve says:

03:32pm | 20/04/11

AtM,
It’s pleasing to see you move away from the memorised or recorded spiel.
Good on ya.

Now to your points: Why bother to boycot Afghanistan, we attacked them instead.  There was no reason to boycot Singapore, those hung had been found guilty. As to Bali, read the same as Singapore.

But I note once again you have failed to address my questions!
To tough for you ?

PS. Is Deena a relative?

Against the Man says:

04:01pm | 20/04/11

John.

I will write slowly and use simple words.
I did answer your question -

‘Just why is the “boycot against Irael disgusting”?’
My answer: This boycott is clearly an exercise in antisemitism.

‘Perhaps AtM, you could offer a better solution?’
My answer: I can’t offer a better solution. If I could I would.

Singapore chose to hang an Australian dispite our politicians and Australians arguing the pro-life stance on human rights grounds. Their country, their rules, fine. Why not target their inhumane laws? Israel has their own laws/rules, why don’t we accept them like we except singapore’s?

Have ALL terrorists groups in Indonesia been caught? Hell the Bali bombing was clearly a large group effort. So we reward them with millions of dollars to build schools? Ok give Israel money to build schools that teach tolerance? Why not?

Ok buddy I await your answers

ps: Is Gillard your daughter?

John A Neve says:

04:50pm | 20/04/11

AtM,
The oldest trick in the book is to answer a question with a question, but I’ll let that go.
Regarding Singapore; “why not target their inhuman laws”, getting a little off topic methinks. However, I’d prefer topping to life in prision, so who is to say what’s inhuman and what isn’t?
Re: the Bali bombings, that was the act of a group, not a country, big difference.
“This boycot is clearly an exercise in antisemitism”, please tell what evidence is there of that?

PS. seeing as you ducked the question, I take it Deena is a relative?

Against the Man says:

05:20pm | 20/04/11

John you keep repeating the ‘you didn’t answer line’ when I have clearly given you an answer, and good ones too. Childish or dumb behaviour on your part. Very amusing and once again highlighted the dumbness factor.

I guess you’ve proven my point

The ALP and its dwindling supporters like yourself are really struggling to make any political sense.

By the way you didn’t answer my question. Is Gillard your daughter? Guess not, but than we all knew that soft cock answer huh?

Please I await your reply. Gillard has another enemy whether you want to except that or not. I’m just happy on that fact. The stupid fake PM is in a whole heap of trouble HaHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

John A Neve says:

06:31pm | 20/04/11

AtM,
Once again, when all else fails, you resort to the weak laugh. What a pathetic person you really are.
Not one clear or decisive answer, Why don’t you ask your niece for help.
At thirteen she is obviously smarter than you.

John says:

07:29pm | 20/04/11

John A Neve then how about a boycott on India because according to Pakistan it is occupying Kashmir and also India lovely record on religous riots.

John A Neve says:

08:25pm | 20/04/11

John,
Relevance please?

Against the Man says:

11:15pm | 20/04/11

John A Neve, you truly know how to make an arse of yourself, but I wouldn’t expect anything else. I’m glad you’re a Labor boy

Al says:

12:40am | 21/04/11

John A Neve:

Ignoring any family connections you might or might not have, the fact remains that while there are so many countries around the globe with an appalling Human Rights record, far worse than anything Israel has been accused of, Israel is the one being continuously criticised by the extreme left. Forget Singapore or Indonesia. What about Sudan? Syria? Bahrain? Libya? And please don’t tell me that we “attack Libya instead”. Gadhafi has been brutalising his people and supporting international terrorism for over 40 years. Not only has Gadhafi largely escaped criticism, he has even been rewarded for his attitude with a seat at the UNHRC.  None of these countries gets demonised as Israel does on a daily basis.

John A Neve says:

06:35am | 21/04/11

AtM,
The quality of your posts speak for thenselves. Do you ever say or do some thing constructive?
Or do you just blubber all the time.

Christian Real says:

07:36am | 21/04/11

Deena
At least John has had the guts to run for local Government,what have you stood up and run for deena.?
I know John, having run in the same local government election has he did.

Christian Real says:

07:49am | 21/04/11

John A Neve
You ask ATM if Deena is a relative?, maybe they are the same person John.

Steve Smith says:

08:07am | 21/04/11

ATM
It would be better if it was a boycott against the Liberal party,they are the most disgusting, pathetic political party in Australia.
The “utegate affair”, which Abetz and some of his fellow Liberals appeared to have played major part in, and yet manage to escape unblemlished by using Godwin Gretch as a scapegoat for them.
Then their ‘No policies’, “no ideas’ Leader leader Tony Abbott, who opposes everything and anything just for the sake of opposing.
Mr ‘don’t believe everything I say” ,and   and “It’s only the gospel truth if it’s a carefully prepared, written statement” Abbott is only a shadow of a leader compared to Malcolm Turnbull,and the opinion polls are already showing that the former opposition Leader is miles ahead of Abbott.

John A Neve says:

08:10am | 21/04/11

Al,

I agree that there are many countries that have appaling records regarding the treatment of their people. But I don’t really get your point, are you suggesting we force our views on all these countries?

As to Irael, it is a country created with a gun, this in itself is not new, but sadly Israel has continued to live by the gun. They have continually ignored UN mandates, they have acted like terrorists eg New Zealand boat sinking, the passport saga etc.

I stated in my first post on this issue, any thing “is worth a try” and if it’s a boycot, so be it.

Al says:

09:43am | 21/04/11

John:

“are you suggesting we force our views on all these countries”

Isn’t this what we are trying to do to Israel?

“As to I(s)rael, it is a country created with a gun”

Funny, I thought Israel was created by a UN resolution.

“any thing “is worth a try” and if it’s a boycot, so be it”

How did that work out for you so far? Instead of helping any party in the conflict the Greens have managed to import the conflict into Australia. Good move.

John A Neve says:

12:57pm | 21/04/11

Al,
Israel was created with the gun, those living there did not accept the UN’s decision and fought against it. Israel still only exist due to force of arms.
As to the suggested boycot, the idea, or so I thought was to get Israel to accept the UN’s recomendations.
Regarding conflict in Australia!  I must live in a quieter suburb than you.

Al says:

02:14pm | 21/04/11

John,

Israel was created by a UN resolution. The Jews indeed accepted that resolution. The day after Israel was created, the neighbouring Arab countries invaded in what became the 1948 war. If, as you believe, this means that Israel was “created with the gun”, then most if not all countries were created with a gun as well, so I don’t see your point. Nearly every country had to endure invasions or conquered neighbouring areas. Are we going to boycott the world? Don’t forget that even Australia was “created with the gun”. It’s a pointless argument that leads us nowhere.

I don’t think you live in a quieter suburb. I think you must live in a bubble not to have seen or heard about the controversy this idea has raised in Australia over the last few months.

John A Neve says:

02:35pm | 21/04/11

Al,
If the Broncos get beaten there’s a “controversy”, you firstly used the term “conflict”, big difference.

As to the “1948” war, I’d suggest if your land was taken you’d go to war as well?

The fact remains Israel has ignored more UN mandates than any other country, without the gun they’d cease to exist.  There really is no counter argument, the facts are there for all to see. Sadly their end will be bloody.

Al says:

04:24pm | 21/04/11

John:

From the online dictionary:

“[Conflict : ] controversy; quarrel”

I was not referring to your narrow interpretation of a conflict as a “fight” or “war”. So you see, there is no big difference after all.

The land was not taken in 1948; it was allocated by the United Nations. The Arabs invaded in the hope that they can take the land by force, a move which clearly you have no objection to. It is only when Israel responded to this invasion that your feelings of compassion and righteousness suddenly erupted.

“Israel has ignored more UN mandates than any other country”

One of the reasons for this is that the UN has passed far more resolutions against Israel than any other country. There are dozens of resolutions against Israel, yet there are far fewer resolutions against Iran, for example. Or Saddam’s Iraq. Or both combined. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Israel’s behaviour is far worse than anything Iran or Iraq have ever done? The extreme left are so consumed with Israel-bashing that they fail to see this incredibly unbalanced treatment of Israel in the UN. Short of packing up its bags and ceasing to exist, there is nothing Israel can do to satisfy its enemies and the extreme left in the west. The UN resolutions against it will keep coming regardless.

John A Neve says:

06:24pm | 21/04/11

Aly,
Conflict; Oxford dictionary = fight or struggle, clashing of opposed
          interests.
          Universal dictionary = a prelonged battle. The clash of
          opposing forces.
Don’t play with words, we all knew what you ment. 

Aly, you want the best of both worlds, you say the UN created Israel, so that’s good. The UN condemns Israel and in your view it’s OK to ignore them!
Tell us Aly, just how does your mind work or rather does it?

Al says:

10:27am | 22/04/11

John,

Here you go again with your narrow interpretation of “conflict”. You really don’t have a good command of the English language, do you? You don’t seem to realise that it has more than one meaning. Please pick up your dictionary again and read a line above your narrow definition. Conflict can indeed mean an argument. Ask around. Or better still, have a look at the very first definition of the word on the online Oxford dictionary, http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0171640#m_en_gb0171640
“a serious disagreement or argument, typically a protracted one:”

I never said it was ok that Israel ignores many UN resolutions. I simply presented one of the reasons to you, but I guess you missed that point. You on the other hand are eager to jump up and denounce Israel for ignoring resolutions, yet you dismiss the UN resolution that created Israel, claiming it was ‘created by the gun’. In 1948 it was the Arab states that ignored the UN decision to create Israel, but as this fact does not fit into the Green/left agenda it is simply discarded.

My mind works rather logically, as most people’s minds. I do not single out an entity, or a state, to hate. You, along with the rest of the extreme left are hell bent on hatred. You do not listen to logical arguments, do not present any logical arguments, you do not answer any of the questions put to you. Your only option is to descend down to personal attacks or semantic arguments about a word.

John A Neve says:

01:12pm | 22/04/11

Aly,
Most people understand the meaning and use of the word “conflict” and a person who claims to be as smart as you would know that.

As the “Arab states” as they were at that time, not members of the UN, there is no logical reason why the would accept the loss of their lands.

Regarding missing your points, I can only go on what you tell us, any one reading our posts from go to who would know what you are saying.

Seeing as you know little about my race or background, I see some of your comments as ludicrous in the extreme.

PS. not related to AtM are you?

Al says:

02:33pm | 22/04/11

John,

Here you go again, resorting to personal abuse, when you don’t have anything intelligent to say. When you finally state a point relevant to the discussion it is inevitably wrong:

“As the “Arab states” as they were at that time, not members of the UN, there is no logical reason why the(y) would accept the loss of their lands”

These are the countries that sent their armies to invade Israel in 1948:

Egypt – joined the UN in 1945
Iraq – joined the UN in 1945
Lebanon – joined the UN in 1945
Saudi Arabia – joined the UN in 1947
Syria – joined the UN in 1945
Yemen – joined the UN in 1947

The only non UN member Arab state participating in the invasion was Jordan, who did not join the UN until 1955. It is useful to get your facts right before making a fool of yourself.

I cannot believe you are still going on about your narrow interpretation of the word “conflict”. Have a look at this article on the SMH from last month:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard-in-open-conflict-with-rudd-20110310-1bpt2.html

It talks about the “conflict” between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. I suppose according to you it means there is an armed struggle between them? Or maybe the SMH got the usage of the word wrong too?
Let me give you a tip: when you are proven so obviously wrong about something, give up on it and move on, don’t keep digging. And for the record, I never claimed I was smart. Just as logical as most other people.

Sadly it seems there is really no point continuing the discussion with you. There is nothing you can contribute other than tired old extreme left anti-Israel propaganda and personal abuse, or a barrage of incorrect statements. I suspect the other bloggers have realised the same thing before me, and this is why they all gave up on you. Please come back again to continue this discussion once you have matured a little.
I will leave it to you to have the last word, I’m sure it will be coming shortly, full of personal abuse, hatred, incorrect facts and unsubstantiated claims.

John A Neve says:

05:17pm | 22/04/11

Al,

First things first, give me one example of where I have resorted to “personal abuse”?

As to the countries you mentioned and who tried to correct a wrong. Not one of those lost any land!  I have tried and in your case failed, to point out this land was stolen from a non participating (UN) state. You would (I hope) know the Jewish people started pushing the Palistinians of their land long before 1948.

Any other country the ignored as many UN mandates as Israel, would by now. have been invaded by the USA and it’s subservient mates.

But tell me I am wrong.

My reality is better than yours wonker says:

06:22pm | 20/04/11

and your view of the real world is better because?
Intolerant people like you are the problem.
Perhaps you should get out of your grotty little bedsit and see the real world.

Zaf says:

11:38am | 20/04/11

Have you ever heard of Abe Safron? 

Your other points are as accurately researched.

Liz says:

12:58pm | 20/04/11

Thank you Zaf for reminding me of some interesting research shown on the ABC’s website:

“It wasn’t so long ago that two young Israeli reservists strayed into a Palestinian area where they were captured and held at the local police station. The ringleader of a Palestinian lynch mob killed the soldiers, then appeared at the upstairs window of the police station, hands dripping with blood. The soldiers’ dead bodies were thrown over the upstairs balcony onto the street below, where youths beat their lifeless remains with poles, and dragged them through the streets.

Green extremists should be far more careful about their choice of foreign policy. That council should stick to doing what householders are paying them to do”.
You reminded me of something else.  Extremist Greens.  The Green Flag of Islam.  The Red Flag of Labor.

Yak of the Goldfields says:

02:21pm | 20/04/11

Let’s all get selective.

It wasn’t that long ago that footage of 5 Israeli youth bashing an old Palestinian woman because she had the temerity to be farming on her own,soon to be invaded, land.

Let’s not forget the dramatic footage of the young boy, outside his own home, being shot at while his father tried to protect him behind a bin. They were persistant enough in their hatred that they shot him eventually. Poor boy must have been a real threat.

Should I mention the murder of the peace activists trying to bring supplies to Gaza via ships.

Let’s not try and get too holier than thou, Liz.

P.S. Fremantle Football Club has a Purple Flag…. WTF is with this flag thing?

Zaf says:

02:25pm | 20/04/11

Fab, Liz!  Since we’re reminding each other of so much, let me add that your posts remind me of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, because they’re as false, misleading, malicious and illogical.

Peace

Liz says:

03:43pm | 20/04/11

That’s my opinion, I’m entitled to it, and I’m sticking to it.  Yes, I’ll be selective again:  Jewish people live in harmony in most towns and cities across the world.  They are rarely heard from and they register almost zilch in crime statistics. They are not constantly parading the streets screaming hysterically and protesting about their adopted countries while waving Christian hate banners. They fit in with the host culture, mind their business, contribute to society whenever possible and make very good citizens.
The failure of the Marrickville Greens to force an Israel boycott shows that the public is not quite as anti-Israel compliant as they thought.
Again, the Green flag of Islam reminds us of Bob Tax Brown’s Greens and the unsavory Marrickville episode.  The Green association is remarkable.  And speaking of Red flags, Miss Gillard should feel right at home on her planned visit to China.  Red carpet, red flag for the fake Australian Prime Minister (and former member of the Socialist Forum Management Committee).

Al says:

09:44pm | 20/04/11

Yak of the Goldfields:

For every allegation of Israeli aggression against Palestinian civilians you can come up with there are hundreds of examples of Palestinian aggression against Israeli civilians. Hey, Hamas are providing daily examples by firing their rockets onto Israeli civilian population centres. Every day.

And don’t forget, many of the alleged incidents of Israeli aggression against Palestinians are not quite what they first appear to be. Take the young boy who was killed in 2000 as an example.  Like many others I was deeply touched when I first saw this incident on tv. However subsequent investigations into this event suggest that it might have been staged. Have a look here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1650273/posts and here http://www.debriefing.org/0139.html, or just google for it – there are plenty of articles dealing with this.

Richard says:

04:58pm | 30/04/11

Al..
The facts do not support your silly statement.
The ration of Dead Palestinians to dead Israelis is almost 100 ; 1.
But that is to be expected given the difference in capability and populations density on either side of the ghetto wall.

acotrel says:

08:44am | 20/04/11

@nossy If you were much of a politician, you’d know we voters are not supposed to remember anything that happened prior to last week!

nossy says:

12:19pm | 20/04/11

@acotrel - yes acotrel - to Erics credit he did have the decency to apologise unlike the email King Turnbull who still hasnt apologised to Rudd !

acotrel says:

09:02am | 20/04/11

@ Tiny Dancer It’s pretty obvious that the sum total of your knowledge about unions, comes from what your daddy told you!

C1 says:

10:12am | 20/04/11

@ Acotrel,

The funny thing is, that my Daddy (who assisted in establishing the Accord process with the Hawke Gvernment) said very similar things - so I guess Tiny Dancer’ may not be too wrong.
Unfortunately in todays society perception is everything and that is often what is seen in the media and general observation. Any good work that is done by the Unions is all too often lost in the background.

fairsfair says:

04:07pm | 20/04/11

case and point

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/04/20/159931_local-news.html

Just get on with it you chumps. Good old union - they won’t step in and get the pay bungle sorted for their workers, but will delay cancer treatment for patients. Gotta love ‘em.

Hamish says:

09:08am | 20/04/11

To be honest AdamC, I find the BDS campaign pretty funny. All the countries in the world which you could run a campaign like this against and our Green friends choose the only democracy in the middle east. Maybe if they were suggesting something similar for Iran, for instance, they might actually get taken seriously. As it is, it just shows up the systemic racism in Australia’s radical left. I heard Lee Rhiannon’s favourite book is called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. She said it was ‘well researched.’

AdamC says:

10:13am | 20/04/11

Hamish, I tried to post something on the Punch a little while ago about why the far left single out Israel. Unfortunately, it was not published. (Which is especially a shame given the Punch has published some very ugly comments about Jews in the past and have not removed them.)

In any event, suffice to say the fixation with Israel has a lot to do with leftist assumptions about ethnicity, colonialism and pathologised victimhood.

papachango says:

10:25am | 20/04/11

I’d love to boycott all these left wing loonies who are supposedly running the country, but unfortunately I’m forced to pay lots of taxes to fund their pet projects.

AdamC says:

10:37am | 20/04/11

I second that, papachango.

TChong says:

10:58am | 20/04/11

You may know Abetz as the guy who has taken over from Hockey , for the LNPs still on the books WorkChoices. - dont ask, and they definitely wont tell.
Lies and deciet? there badges of honor to the guy who set Godwin Gretch to be the fall guy, once the lies were exposed.
Dropped him like a hot potatoe
.Such wonderful loyalty to the puppet from the puppet master.

Dave C says:

12:22pm | 20/04/11

Look T Chong, are you aware that Abbott apposed Workchoices in Howards Cabinet and said at the last election that that the post work choices IR laws now will stay the same. Speaking of nothing changing, nothing will stop partisan ALP hacks saying the Libs/Nats will bring back Work Choices, its essentially the big lie which told enough times people might believe, its all the ALP have to make them look re-electable in 2013, talk about scare campaigns and then you say Abbotts making a scare campaign on the Carbon Tax/ETS…. your carbon pot is blacker than your kettle T Chong.

Also you bring up the Gretch matter, let me guess T Chong and the other ALP supporters, you would much prefer Turnbull as leader wouldnt you, every ALP supporter does, BUT it was Turnbull that acted upon the Gretch issue and completely made a balls up of it….. yet you as an ALP supporter bring it up at the same time most in the ALP want Abbott gone and Turnbull in.  Very confusing messages here…

Steve Smith says:

07:41am | 21/04/11

T Chong
I agree with you T Chong that Abetz ,as well as others in the Liberal party set up Godwin Gretch as the fall guy, and they covered up their tracks well, so that they would not be implicated should the shit hit the fan.
One can just imagine tony abbott at the time saying: “shit happens’

Hamish says:

11:09am | 20/04/11

Daniel, why do you believe in boycotting Israel but not other countries with as bad if not worse regimes, such as Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Burma or even China? Doesn’t seem very consistent at all. What is it with lefties and anti-semitism? I assume by ‘them’ you mean Jews don’t you? I hope you don’t but I’m not sure who else you’d be referring to.

Daniel says:

03:06pm | 20/04/11

I think we should extend the BDS to other despot and evil regimes too. I never said said anything about stopping with Israel. For me the policy is very good. i was hoping Byrne would have fought on it harder.

Hamish says:

05:00pm | 20/04/11

So why start with Israel Daniel? Where are The Greens’ calls for boycotts of other ‘evil’ regimes? When are we BDSing Iran? Seems to me this whole thing is just an evolution of the old-school pogrom. There’s one Jewish state in the world and it’s the one regime The Greens want to pick on. Now I don’t want to jump to any conclusions but…you know…

Daniel says:

05:38pm | 20/04/11

I have no idea why the Marricville Greens decided on that country? Why dont you email Fiona Byrne and ask her?

stevem says:

11:09am | 20/04/11

I blame the U.S. They have steadfastly supported Israel in the U.N. Everything the U.S. does is evil to the left. Therefore Israel is evil. Very simple logic indeed. There is no doubt that the U.S. has gone way too far in defending Israel, but that does not make Israel inherently evil.

papachango says:

04:36pm | 20/04/11

actually it’s pretty clear that Sarah Bath = someone taking the mickey. Alene Composta reincarnated, but not as funny.

A Google search reveals only a facebook profile and comments on the Punch.

The public facebook profile has all the loony left cliches - veganism, Socialist Alliance as well as the Greens etc, but is a bit too much of a caricature.

Why would a loony lefty only post on the Punch and not on say the Age, Green Left Weekly, larvateus prodeo etc.

Markr says:

10:59am | 21/04/11

Just because you oppose the Israeli occupation doesn’t mean you are anti-Semite. Many Jews are also against the policies of the Israeli government - would you classify them as anti-Semite?

Joolya Ducksbum says:

04:41pm | 26/04/11

WRONG!! It was the Romans who killed Jesus. The Jews washed their hands of the problem Jesus appeared to be.

Richard says:

04:50pm | 02/05/11

Children of Israel??????
Quoting a clearly biased BBC writer does not actual stand as a reference or even a credible satirical point.
Please review what a ‘semite’ is and note that particular silly ploy ahs long ago lost any bite.

AllanJ says:

01:56pm | 03/05/11

The term “semite” generally refers to a quite wide range of nationalities and ethnic groups of which Jews are but one.  Strictly speaking, the label “Jew” refers very specifically to those who lay claim to having descended from the one they believe to be Israel’s fourth son, Judah.

During the 8th century BC, this changed somewhat when what was known as the northern kingdom (where many of the descendants of Israel’s other sons then resided) was destroyed by the Assyrian empire.  Some of these Israelites then fled to the territory occupied by the Jews (Judah) and became more or less integrated with the local population.  The meaning of the name “Jew” then mutated to include all the other descendants of Israel.  This is what the term “children of Israel” also describes.

The term “anti-semitism” came to prominence in the second half of the 19th century at, to some extent at least, the hand of some Austrian and German writers and scholars.  From that time, it has been used almost universally to refer to the hatred of Jews.

I hope this helps.

By the way, you could perhaps give us the name of the BBC writer to whom you referred.  I would like to get across some of his or her writings.

Gina Mori says:

11:03pm | 28/04/11

You may consider the Greens in need of education but you have obviously missed the bit in the bible which advises one not to attempt the removal of a mote from another’s eye whilst one’s vision is obstructed by a log.
In your case, a little more attention to punctuation would be advised; country is a common noun and should not be capitalised in the middle of a sentence.  It is, of course, correct to capitalise the name of the country as it is a proper noun.

AQaH says:

01:33pm | 29/04/11

David is 100% correct.  Much as the Zio-fascists try to steer the conversations and people’s attention away from the fact that Israel is brutally denying the Palestinians their Human Rights - it will not work.
Justice the seed, Peace the flower. 

It really is that simple.