You know Labor is in trouble if people like Clare Mattern have their doubts. Clare has two jobs – one in a skateboarding streetwear store in Launceston – is undecided about her vote, and thinks the Prime Minister shouldn’t have declared herself an atheist.

Clare Mattern at work in Launceston

“I work in a Catholic primary school so I know what a big deal [religion] is to a lot of people,” she said. The assessment of Abbott started similarly cynically: “He seems like a funny personality,” she said, but added: “I don’t know if you call it just being normal and human. But I’m not keen on hearing [Gillard] at all… I thought Kevin Rudd would have done a better job.”

Bagging the guvmint is a national pastime, but it should set the bomb sirens wailing in the Labor party when a Metallica-loving twenty-something lists the Prime Minister’s atheism as a political negative, thinks Kevin Rudd should be leading the party, and then says Tony Abbott seems like a knockabout bloke.

The closest thing to a confident prediction on who would carry the seat of Bass came from someone who has done it before. Michelle O’Byrne won the seat for Labor in 1998 and is now a minister in the Tasmanian state government. I bumped into her in a café and her assessment of the outcome was as follows.

The Labor candidate, Geoff Lyons, will win because he has exceptional connections in the community (which he does, being involved in over 30 community groups and boards) and preferences from the minor parties including the Greens will be directed his way.

This all makes solid pointy-headed, political wonk sense. But then this is a campaign and O’Byrne is a Labor lifer so the polite assessment of the prediction could be summed up as well, she would say that, wouldn’t she?

After spending an evening and a morning talking to voters in Launceston, seeing the hard-running Liberal campaign up close and trying unsuccessfully to get to speak to the Labor candidate, there are plenty of red flags to suggest the Labor party is in trouble in Bass, which it holds by a margin of just one per cent.

Take Mark. He works in the construction industry, has voted Labor all his life but will do so this time “with reservations”.

Mark the joiner

“I’ll give Julia Gillard a go, see how she goes, but I don’t know if many blokes will do the same,” he said. Mark has done well out of school construction projects funded by the Building the Education Revolution stimulus spending, but has concerns about his future income. “I think all the spending has dried us – it’s always a worry in our line of work, what’s going to happen next.”

His family have always been rusted-on Labor voters but get this: he thinks his mother, who recently started a business, may have changed her mind.

Or take Tony Jensen, a truck driver made of classically Tasmanian stuff who may as well have his union membership card taped to his forehead. He should be a true believer but he, too, is only reluctantly supporting a return of the government and has a list of grumbles including the rising cost of living and the government’s handling of the doomed Resources Super Profits Tax. “There’s a lot of concern around here,” he told me. “It’s not only the mining industry but the people that work indirectly from the mining industry. Not to say that the mining industry shouldn’t pay more tax but I think it would have been a lot better if it had been gradually introduced rather than going for the slam dunk.”

Truckie Tony Jensen

Articles about Bass tend to slide into historical tedium about its record of defying or starting trends. If that’s your thing you can dive into it here, here, or here; but really the only thing Bass’s history teaches is that it is no guide.

Political rules of thumb don’t apply here. It is, after all, the electorate in which John Howard got a hero’s welcome from unionists in 2004. There’s also no incumbent standing: the sitting member, Labor’s Jodie Campbell, is resigning after a messy term in office that saw her partner on domestic violence charges which were later dropped. 

The Liberal candidate is Steve Titmus, a 46-year-old former sports journalist and television newsreader whose previous career comes with attendant stratospherically high recognition levels among voters. (“That nice man from the telly”, was a phrase heard more than once.) Titmus has been campaigning since the end of last year and has a goal that looks far beyond a win this weekend as he seeks to position himself as a candidate of stability for the notoriously volatile electorate.

Man with a van: Bass Liberal candidate Steve Titmus

“One of the big differences is I’m in the prime of my career, and my opponent is nearing the end of his,” Titmus told The Punch at his campaign headquarters. “My aim is to win the seat of Bass for several terms. We now as a community are behind the eight-ball. People can know that they can elect me for several terms into the future.”

Labor’s answer to the Titmus profile is former hospital manager Lyons. According to the Launceston Examiner has been involved with over 30 community boards in the past year. These connections are what O’Byrne points to in her prediction of his strong primary vote and preference flows from double-digit Greens support getting him across the line.

A poll in the Examiner at the weekend favoured Labor to hold Bass, and the bookies have Lyons at marginally shorter odds than Titmus. Also in the news last week was the matter of Titmus’s 20-year-old son, who lives in Adelaide and is from his first marriage, being charged with drugs offences – a late distraction with unpredictable repercussions for the Liberal campaign.

While Queensland and NSW will be the decisive battlegrounds for the election, the early results from Bass this weekend will be worth watching for a couple of reasons. It is home to the first rollout of the National Broadband Network. If Labor polls strongly here it could be interpreted as an endorsement of the project, which is one of the few policy areas on which there is a major difference, from the first people to benefit from it. But conversely, if there is a national swing on against the government Bass will be one of the places it shows up.

The local economy is a mixture of diverse small businesses and a large resources sector. The forestry industry is a major employer but Titmus described it as being “on its knees”. The day I was there the Mercury newspaper carried a story across the top of two pages about forestry contractors seeking a $100 million bailout.

Forestry contractor Ken Padgett explained the problems with the forestry industry have emerged over the past three years and stem from a combination of a sustained anti-industry campaign from environmental groups, the global financial crisis, regulatory confusion over accreditation standards and the strength of the dollar hurting exports. “Normally you are able to ride one or two of these things but you can’t ride the lot,” he said.

This has raised question marks over many people’s job security, something Titmus lists as among his top three issues for the area, along with cost of living pressures and opportunities for young people. Padgett’s estimate is that one in seven people in all of Tasmania are employed directly or indirectly through the logging industry. That this traditional cornerstone of the Bass economy is struggling adds another layer to the issues voters will consider over the coming week - forestry is mainly a state issue, but the economy is not.

Many voters The Punch spoke to during the third week of the campaign were still wavering. Mum Stacey Purton voted Greens before but wasn’t sure who she’d vote for this time. Dane Layton hadn’t given it “a second of thought”. Lisa Dorneau wanted more spending on mental health services but didn’t know about the Coalition’s $1.5 billion spending plan on the sector.

Damon Wecker runs a café on Launceston’s George Street. He says about 500 people come through the doors every day and from his conversations with customers his assessment is that Labor is in trouble. “The sentiment in this room is not pro-Labor,” he said. “People are almost anti the platform that [Gillard] has come up on. Tony Abbott might not be the better option but at least he is standing by the things he has always stood for.”

Cafe owner Damon Wecker

Wecker has also noticed a shift in mood towards Gillard since she became Prime Minister. “At first the female customers were happy to see a woman in power but the same people are not beating the drum for her now.”

If an election was based on counting signs in people’s front yards were votes, Titmus would win in a landslide. On a drive around Launceston suburbs with him he was surprised to see some of them in place. There were signs for Lyons, too, but not as many, and the Labor branding was inconspicuous.

On the town streets there were plenty of voters who were leaning towards voting Labor but were prepared to consider Titmus once you raised his name.

It’s totally unscientific but it’s an indication that the outcome in Bass could come down to a matter of a few thousand of the good people of Launceston making their minds up when they head to the polling place on Saturday.

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    • non-religious says:

      08:10am | 16/08/10

      Completely disagree with the first section of this article. So you found a girl who loves Metallica and think it represents all twenty-something’s who love Metallica? She also works in a Catholic School, did you really expect another response from her? Now, I’m not saying that her opinions are wrong, just that you should really stop generalising the age groups like that. I’m a twenty something who loves Metallica, am a hard worker with good morals, and I do not think it should matter that Julia has outed the fact that she’s an athiest. If she hid it, would not the majority of religious Australians then accuse her of hiding crucial information? Personally, I don’t call myself athiest as such, but I definitely am not religious and never will be. Would my vote change because of someone’s religious stance? Difficult answer. My vote depends on what a person stands for. But I’d be kidding myself if I thought that their views weren’t influenced by their beliefs.

    • Macca says:

      08:56am | 16/08/10

      Whilst I don’t have any data on me, the general belief is that young people vote Greens / ALP and older Generations vote Lib / Coalition. I think Penbo’s point appropriate. The religious vote isn’t something that has been touched on much in this election, but I’d be suprised if it didn’t make an impact at the polling booth come saturday

    • Macca says:

      09:55am | 16/08/10

      My mistake, Colgo wrote the article

    • James1 says:

      10:19am | 16/08/10

      Several of my atheist relatives work at Catholic schools.

    • Helen says:

      10:34am | 16/08/10

      I agree with “non-religious”, and I think the writer was imposing his own spin on what she said. What she said could have just as easily meant that JG coming out as atheist was to her detriment, tactically, because of factors that Clare knew about because of her position in the Catholic community; doesn’t necessarily mean that Clare herself was against it.

    • watchingwithinterest says:

      10:35am | 16/08/10

      My reading of the article that it wasn’t just her view, but that it was a view that she had witnessed working at a catholic school. 
      I think there will be some young people that will not vote for Gillard because she is an atheist.  Just as some young people will note vote for Abbott because he is catholic.

    • Peter Matel says:

      10:48am | 16/08/10

      The differences between these two parties are so profound, I am going to vote for Julia Abbott!

    • The Badger says:

      10:48am | 16/08/10

      I’m still an atheist, thank God.

      Luis Buñuel

    • sal says:

      11:06am | 16/08/10

      @Peter Matel,
      Don’t do it…....Tony Gillard is a far better option

    • Sam says:

      11:34am | 16/08/10

      Religion affects my vote. My mother tried to raise me as a christian, so I was exposed to much of the bible and assorted religous teachings. Even as a young child I struggled to accept the baloney about mythical beings, so nowadays I call myself an athiest. I am in my sixties, from time to time throughout those years I have been badgered by ‘believers’ to accept their alleged ‘god’, yet I don’t recall any influence from the other side.
      My mother was a lapsed catholic come protestant.  I learned late in her life why she lapsed. It was a priest that deflowered her, aged 7, thru to age 12..

      I will vote for Julia not only because I know she has no mythical sky fairy guiding her decisions, but I know how important the NBN, and the mining tax is, (Lenin once said, ‘repeat a lie often enough and it becomes a truth’ - remember when Abbott removed Turnbull and immediately started up with his “great big new tax” chant? or the “borrowing $100m a day”? ). I know Gillard used the motto ‘going forward’ to excess, but it was the press and the libbers who counted how often while ignoring the occurrences of the ‘great big new tax’ and other lib contributions.

      I keep reading how Labor are so on the nose in NSW. Probably true, but I also read somewhere that Labor had been in power in NSW for 15 years?  I ask myself, just how ‘on the nose’ can the religous right be?

    • mememe says:

      02:32pm | 16/08/10

      I think it would be more concerning and telling if Clare was a John Butler Trio fan… I grew up in regional cities like Launceston and from my experience most heavy and death metal fans do not fall so directly on the left side of the spectrum.

    • Phil says:

      08:27am | 16/08/10

      Youth over age, isnt that what Kevin Rudd ran on last time?
      Interesting times ahead. Who wiill win? Lets hope Pembo’s piece yesterday is right and its an Abbott Liberal Victory

    • K says:

      08:51am | 16/08/10

      I agree with a lot of things Abbott stands for, but I have to admit, the major thing that holds me back with him is that he is anti-abortion. That worries me.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      09:19am | 16/08/10

      K

      That is Abbott’s personal view; he has said on a number of occasions, he will not force his own religious beliefs onto his cabinet, the party or the electorate.

      Much of this stems from an interview he gave where he was asked what advice he would give his daughters. It was subsequently made out by the left-wing nutters in the media to be a policy quote.

      Similarly with stem cell research. There have been considerable advances in this field since 2002, when after 85 hours of debate, the Senate voted against it. There are now methods available that do not kill the embryo, there are methods available which do not even use fertilised eggs and yet all we hear are anti-Liberal quotes from a decade ago put forward as being current.

      Abbott makes no apologies for being Catholic and nor should he. But surely we can give him at least the same respect as the PC brigade is demanding we give other religions.

      Frankly, it tells me that he has morals. To whom do atheists answer?

    • Phil says:

      09:22am | 16/08/10

      K for that matter I am anti abortion.

      I am not for its use, however I respect assuming you are a woman your right to have one for yourself.

      Tony has clearly stated that no funding cutbacks or legislation changing the law will be bought in by his government at all. You can only take his word for this. Imagine the outcry and him being ousted next time if he attempted to change the legislation. He introduced laws and they were passed for RU486, even though he does not support its use. Personally I have no medical background cept knowing the correct way to strap ankles and knees for sport, but cannot see how RU486 cannot do the woman harm in one way or another.

      The other reason why it will never change is that the statistics show Abortions and what they call Missed Abortion (miscarriage) in the same set of numbers. Therefore to muddy the waters by amending the stats would not be good. Even Tony Abbott has said Abortion should be available, legal and rare, and he emphasises the rare part. Not that many would disagree with his opinion there.

    • xyz says:

      11:25am | 16/08/10

      The Scarlet Pimpernel,

      You don’t have to answer to anyone (or anythng) to have good morals. Morals pre-date Christianity!

    • Bobster says:

      12:36pm | 16/08/10

      @ Scarlet Pimpernel,

      Atheists answer to no one because they engage in an active and evolving moral argument with themselves. They do not take the easy way out and declare a divinely ordained absolute, inflexible morality.

      If you need an absolute moral position, it simply shows that you are either too idle or too ill-equiped to engage in your own proper moral development.

      I wish I could be as moral as you, but unfortunately I take morality seriously and the old Life of Brian method (“Because it’s written, that’s why!”) doesn’t hold water with me.

      Pardon my heathen ways, but I decided it was wrong to steal, rape and murder because my internal monologue and constant ethical debate with myself brought me to that conclusion.

      Why don’t you go stone a disobedient child or execute someone for eating bacon or working on your day off like your god demands.

    • PaulB says:

      12:50pm | 16/08/10

      I would say Pimpernel that the morality of most christians stems from fear of punishment by their sky fairy.  That said, the lack of fear of punishment for sin demonstrated by remarkably large numbers of Catholic Clergy demonstrates that they certainly don’t fear a future in any afetrlife.  Perhaps there’s something they aren’t telling the rest of us?

    • Sue says:

      08:45am | 16/08/10

      Tasmania could impact on election results.
      They are furious with the Labor/Green deal, orchestrated by G. Richardson and the usual union suspects.
      The two Greens given cabinet posts as part of the publicly loathed “deal”, sit with Labor in the Tasmanian parliament.  They have markedly changed their pre-election vociferous colours since obtaining cabinet positions.
      The Greens no longer regularly object,  they conform with Labor. They don’t question taxpayer funded waste like unnecessary government air travel, yet Green policy is supposed to be reducing sky pollution.
      Tasmanians were angered when two supposed Green partnered politicians were designated a taxpayer funded car each - and a chauffeur driven car - each.
      Green silence is deafening in Tasmania.  Greens want death duties too. They want Australians to work our rear ends off all our lives, pay our taxes, and even when we are dead, deliver the fruits of our hard labour to government for redistribution, not to our children or to where we choose.
      Bob Brown was responsible for shutting down clean hydro-electric development in Tasmania. Tassie buys dirty coal fired energy as a result of Bob Brown’s fanatacism.
      Three little Tassie towns have access to NBN.  The Labor government told Tasmanians if they don’t take up the NBN when it goes past their doors they will be up for $300 - $800 extra charge just for procrastinating or just because they didn’t need it at the time. 
      The time-frame for roll-out is up to 5 years.  By then satellite internet technology would be well advanced.
      The greens over-influence young, impressionable people, that is why Greens want the vote for 16-year olds.
      So Tasmania may well play their part in any tight result.

    • watchingwithinterest says:

      10:46am | 16/08/10

      Some very interest comments. Unfortunately on the mainland we tend to her only about is happening in our immediate vicinity so will be watching Tassy results on election night.

    • Bass resident says:

      03:59pm | 16/08/10

      That’s odd, Sue, you say that Tasmanians are “furious” about the 2 Greens being in Parliament?  yet we’ve not had one single political scandal since the election, whereas it was almost one-a-week in the last govt! (even The Examiner, AKA Gunns Newsletter, has had to grudgingly admit that it’s working pretty damn well)
      Where are all these “furious” people, Sue? Are they marching in the streets, a la all those thousands of Tamar Valley residents that marched against that dirty stinking polluting pulp mill?
      If they did, I musta missed them??? I’m just not seeing any sort of “fury” out there in suburbia that you claim there is. hmmm

      But you (and your increasingly irrelevant Liberal mates) keep up your whinging about losing the election/govt, since it’s about the only thing that your lot are good at. Meanwhile the rest of the state is getting used to a state govt that’s getting on with governing WITHOUT having to go into damage control every 2nd day to douse the flames of it’s latest scandal.

      BTW Sue, you conveniently forgot to mention the widely publicised grilling that Kim Booth (Green MP, Bass) gave both his party leader Nick Mckim, and deputy leader Cassie Oconnor in Budget Estimates…

      But geez, yer wouldn’t want the facts to get in the way of a good old Liberal smear, now would ya? LOL
      And as for Bob Brown single handedley bringing down that incestuous beast ,Hydro Tas, [ Forestry Tas must have modeled itself on the old Hydro to have squeezed the billions from govt coffers that it has over the last 30yrs] well, that’s just too hilarious for words!  And pretty insulting to all the thousands of Tasmanians/Australians who spent years fighting to save the Franklin, not to mention the hundreds of West Coast businesses that now make a pretty good living hosting all those tourists, eh.

    • Sue says:

      06:14pm | 16/08/10

      Full marks to Kim Booth for mantaining his political integrity, but the other two are no longer in his league. 

      In economic terms, rising costs from increasing coal-fired energy prices across the entire State of Tasmania are not offset by west coast tourism.

      West Coast residents have been very dissatisfied with overhead and water pollution (intrusive noise pollution in particular) from jet boats and helicopters. 

      There were other clean hydro developments planned Tasmania apart from the Franklin Dam, so reliance on that singular issue as an argument in favour of Green stupidity falls very, very short of the truth. 

      As far as Hodgman “not picking up the phone to the Greens” is concerned - his integrity remains intact.  His pre-election commitment was to do no deal with the Greens.  Voters took him at his word. David Bartlett’s pre-election commitment was to do no deal with the Greens. Voters took him at his word.

      Like it or not, there was and still is, public outrage resulting from Bartlett reneging his commitment and doing the deal he pledged against.

      Public outrage persists in Tasmania.  In the same way that this forum allows expression of the public mood, Tasmania’s media facilitate exactly the same opportunity. 
      Regardless of political persuasion, one would need to be blind, deaf and illiterate to have missed or conveniently ignored the mood of the Tasmanian population.

    • Pete says:

      10:07am | 16/08/10

      Pity you don’t report on how much the ALP dirty tricks and laws for Gunn’s Pulp Mill plays on people’s minds.

    • Holly says:

      10:17am | 16/08/10

      Sue you may think you reflect Tasmanian views but I don’t know who you have been talking to.  Let’s face it the state Liberal opposition in Tassie - all the strength and gumption of a wet lettuce - totally ignored Greens invitation to form government - would not pick up the phone -therefore only themselves to blame that they are not in power. 

      As for NBN - government are asking for opt out system instead of opt in.  House holders can get fibre now for free - they are not committed to sign up to any particular package.  So why would you not avail yourself of something for nothing especially if it will effect your property value in future.  And why should people not have to pay for a retrofit of fibre when NBN has to connect you as one off. 

      As for this article - you cannot extrapolate from the comments of a few carefully chosen people.

    • luke says:

      06:04pm | 16/08/10

      The Liberals refused to pick up the phone to the greens because they actually have principles.  Labor would run over their own mothers to get what they want.  In time Tasmanians will, perhaps even already, see the folly of voting for the greens

    • Pete says:

      10:32am | 16/08/10

      The proponents of a wireless TasNBN seem to be avoiding the detail that wireless reception turns to junk in hilly country, and weather can also play a major part. The only way to ensure proper transmission is to at LEAST hook towers up with fibre. And if you’ve done that in Tassie, may as well hook the town up too. Cheaper than maintaining a tower in our climate.
      Add on top of this the coming of software radios driven by a potential fibre backhaul and current 3g/4g wireless seems even more a waste of time.

    • BL says:

      11:42am | 16/08/10

      The women works at a Catholic school that screams LIBERAL to me no matter what music she likes to listen too. Why are so many articles on The Punch and other newscorp sights so bias towards pro-liberal reporting? BTW I’m not a Labor voter, im still undecided (though leaning towards Greens), but its quite obvious to me the media has decided who it wants to be PM.

    • Bobster says:

      12:39pm | 16/08/10

      @ BL, because over the last few weeks the primary posters on the Punch and voters on News Ltd online polls have been members of the Young Liberals.

      This joint has been a mecca for Young Libs through the entire campaign - it’s why the online polls are so skewed.

    • LW says:

      01:08pm | 16/08/10

      Traditionally Catholics are labour voters. As for voting green…...

    • Gary says:

      01:18pm | 16/08/10

      Bobster, reading these blog postings is like reading the notes from a liberal party staff meeting. Repeated comments of ‘he should do this’ or ‘he should say that’, to influence the voters, and ‘Labor resort to insults’, while in the next breath, spewing their own bile about their opponent political. They can see, and vividly describe, every failing in Gillard, meanwhile they think their guy walks on water.

    • dw says:

      01:19pm | 16/08/10

      Dagnabbit Colgan! How dare you voice your opinion…in your opinion piece…on this opinion web site…

    • Darla Jane says:

      11:53am | 16/08/10

      If - some five days out from an election with no major policy announcements expected this week - you are still identifying yourself as undecided or a “swinging” voter then you are a fool.

      Worse, you’ve indicated quite clearly that your vote is for sale to whomever gives you the biggest hand-out.

      In the interest of democracy, do us a favour and Latham it on Saturday.

    • Bron says:

      01:12pm | 16/08/10

      @Darla Jane-I think it is a bit rough to call people foolish for their indecision when I believe there are a substantial amount of people who have reservations about major policy from all parties; I know that I am one of them.It has nothing to do with handouts as I am one of the single, childless, high income taxpayers who get little back from the system-if I have to cough up as much as I do in tax I want some certainty that it will be spent for a maximum return on investment for the country as a whole (be it in financial or social benefits). Unfortunately, I am not seeing the policies & leadership that assure me that any of the parties can make this happen. It is very depressing to go to the ballot box & start voting from “who is most incompetent” up to “who is least incompetent”.

    • Biteme says:

      01:07pm | 16/08/10

      I have heard Indonesian officials are in negotiations with Fiji officials.
      I wonder the consequences if Indonesia decided to put a military airbase on Fiji Island. They are apparently becoming goods friends since Australia has become nasty to Fiji.

    • Bass resident says:

      04:36pm | 16/08/10

      About the only thing your post has in common with the OP is that Fiji and Tassie are both islands!

      typical conservative ramblings - if it looks like ya losing the argument, change the subject to one about ‘scary stuff’. . .

      (can’t wait til next Monday to feed all the usual suspects on Punch some humble pie; and Biteme, yer gunna have to Bite hard into it, and swallow! LOL)

    • Tarzan says:

      10:46pm | 16/08/10

      Yes your’e right Mr Bass he should have waited until an OP about Fiji came up. But by that time ASIS may not have been able to scramble awake the ITO’s. This is real situation.

    • Biteme says:

      01:24pm | 16/08/10

      From Fiji Radio:
      “Indonesia’s Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa told Kubuabola countries going through political transition must be supported and Fiji’s role in the Pacific cannot be ignored.
      He further states Indonesia is ready to enrich its relations with Fiji and is exploring ways of strengthening bilateral and technical cooperation.
      His Thai counterpart Kasit Piromya told Kubuabola Thailand understands what Fiji is going through and the people of Fiji must be given the room to map their own destiny.
      The two countries also say Australia and New Zealand should change their”
      Unquote: Oh dear I hope our new Rhino’s are fast enough!!

    • Susan says:

      02:40pm | 16/08/10

      The article and the actual comments from the voters you spoke to seem a little out of kilter - Labor is in trouble in Bass, yet not one voter you quote in the article actually states that they will be voting Liberal (with, one presumes, the exception of their candidate).

      Stripped of the journalistic licence, the message I took away from the voters quoted here was a whole lot of apathy.

    • Paul Colgan

      Paul Colgan says:

      03:20pm | 16/08/10

      Hi Susan - I did speak to quite a lot of people who planning to vote Liberal and it’s also safe to assume the many families with Titmus’s signs in their yards will do so too. Knocking doors with the Liberal candidate there were also a lot of people pledging support.  Uncommitted voters and the reluctant Labor supporters were the focus of the piece as these are the government’s liabilities.

    • Jamesadel says:

      06:50pm | 16/08/10

      You spoke to alot of people planning on voting Liberal, funny that Paul because I don’t see alot of quotes in this article. But then again you wouldn’t want to make yourself seem too pro-Liberal, would you Paul. wink

 

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