This piece was co-authored by Carrie Miller and fellow Punch contributor Catharine Lumby.

If only Australians could bring the same level of focus and nuance to debates about art that we bring to debates about what the ref did in last weekend’s match.

Adam Pynacker's 1660 work, left, and Sam Leach's piece

Not that art trumps sport. They both matter. It’s just that – if you happen to know anything about the history of art – it’s really boring to hear the same debate repeated endlessly in the media. It’s a lot like watching Barry Hall punch the same guy in the head again and again. Quite rightly, fans want to see him punch different people in the head to keep things interesting.

The recent debate about Sam Leach’s Wynne prize-winning landscape- which involves a landscape that quotes from another landscape- is a great example of this banal and reductive debate.

Anyone who was around in 1973 will remember the furore when Gough Whitlam – that socialist bohemian subversive - authorised the federal government’s purchase of a now priceless artwork – Jackson Pollock’s Blue Poles. There was widespread outrage that so much public money had been spent on something that looked like it had been painted by ’barefoot drunks’.

The same opposition between art history conservatives and contemporary art progressives lives on today and is a furphy. And herein lies the real issue at the heart of the Wynne Prize beat-up. What makes Sam Leach’s work so interesting is precisely that it complicates this banal dichotomy by managing to combine contemporary ideas with an almost obsessive reverence for traditional technique.

Even his current critics haven’t denied his technical virtuosity – not something most of us associate with contemporary art these days. He draws on very established art historical traditions. In fact, his work sits in a long tradition of Australian landscape painting that is inextricably wedded to earlier European tradition.

Eugene von Guerard, one of the foremost Australian landscape painters in the 19th century, drew heavily on landscapes painted by artists who went before him. He drew, often in great detail, on the European conventions of landscape painting which required careful attention to where one placed trees, spectators and vistas and palette.

You only need to glimpse a von Guerard to realise that Leach’s picture does not breach the rules for the Wynne which state that the award is for “the best landscape painting of Australian scenery in oils or watercolours”.

Just as Indigenous artists have depicted our landscape in terms of their own, unique relationship to it, the early colonial painters of our landscape rendered it through the eyes of European experiences and aesthetic interests. The history of art is a history of repeating – and occasionally breaking – with ways of portraying and seeing things.

The notion that there is one original way of portraying “Australian scenery” is misguided. Leach has created an imaginary Australian landscape – it says so in the title of his work – Proposal for landscaped cosmos. He intentionally quoted from another work to make exactly this point.

It’s heartening to see that many of the commentators that have come out against Leach over the past couple of days have moved away from the argument that his work constitutes “plagiarism” – a completely incoherent concept when applied to art. But it’s even more gratifying that these commentators have proven just how successful Leach’s work is in achieving one of its main aims: to encourage people to reflect on what it means to look at or depict a landscape.

In the end, the only controversial thing about Leach’s win is that yet again the AGNSW trustees have chosen a work that is deeply bound to art historical tradition.

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    • Eric says:

      12:56pm | 16/04/10

      Cool!

      Can I enter my paint-by-numbers opus in the next art competition? After all, it will be my own _unique_ interpretation of the paint-by-numbers canvas!

    • Sebastien Cabot says:

      01:37pm | 16/04/10

      I’m sure any number of musical or literary prizes would be interested in your ‘opus’ but the Wynne prize is for landscape painting or figurative scuplture. You might want a tissue to wipe that egg off your face, it’s starting to drip onto your cravat.

    • Eric says:

      03:09pm | 16/04/10

      And the Wynne Prize is clearly open to anyone who traces another artist’s work - even down to individual leaves!

      Nitpick as you may, it is clear to everyone that this prize-winning painting is merely a tracing, and any merits it may have are owed to the original artist.

      Play your silly word games all you want. They make no difference to the reality.

    • Sebastien Cabot says:

      03:42pm | 16/04/10

      Well Eric,
      it seems you’re not as interested in the ‘rules’ of the English language as you are in the rules of the Wynne prize. There’s nothing silly about being precise with language. I’m glad Australian public debate is teeming with ‘thinkers’ like you: with opinions about everything despite a devastating absence of any knowledge in the field they pontificate on. The rest of the world may regard us as philistines: we’ve gotten pretty ‘relaxed and comfortable’ with that. Thanks, John.

    • Eric says:

      04:52pm | 16/04/10

      So, Sebastian, your only arguments are nitpicking ad-hom insults about language? I guess you concede, then, that this painting is just a tracing, no more artistic than a Xerox copy.

    • Mr Subramanian says:

      05:31pm | 16/04/10

      @Sebastian: Eric doesn’t have “opinions about everything” - he’s got one or two that he applies to everything. Subtle difference, I know!

    • Sebastien Cabot says:

      07:33pm | 16/04/10

      So Eric,

      It seems your ‘arguments’ are essentially: your own pedantry about the ideas of ‘Australian scenery’, ‘originality’, and ‘tracing’- in short; ‘ad hom nitpicking about language’- denotation to be specific. What was your problem again? Oh, you don’t like your own pedantry being applied to you? It’s specially for ‘other people’ is it? Salvador Dali said it best: Shut up and paint… by numbers.

    • Old Macdonald's fart says:

      11:52pm | 16/04/10

      Yes you can. And I can say ‘so what’ to that too.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      12:50pm | 16/04/10

      I may not know art but I recognise bullshit masquerading as art.  If that comment constitutes an addition to the ‘banal and reductive debate’ then I accept that criticism with pride.  A copy of a painting is simply a copy, not a re-interpretation, and Leach’s picture is just that - a copy.

    • Adam Diver says:

      10:18pm | 16/04/10

      “Australians’ reaction to art can be very immature” I feel this attitude is self perpetuating.

      You see I don’t get art, I don’t like art but the major contributing factor of this attitude is the art crowd with thier head up their ar#e looking down on me for not understanding why Pollocks, No 5 1948 sold for 150.6 million dollars.

      Check out the painting at
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._5,_1948

    • Gerry Louis says:

      12:06am | 17/04/10

      Er, are you blind? Please spot the difference. One is big, one is small. One has several objects in the foreground, one doesn’t. Did you note from the article that Leach is technically an extremely accomplished talented?

      This is not a forgery or a fraud. There has been no deception or passing off. It is an original work. What would be the point of a well-known artist submitting a mere copy? The guy is a talented, acclaimed painter, not a confidence man.

      He painted it, with real paint and his own hands. That in itself is a remarkable accomplishment. It references the earlier work but you do not have to know that earlier work to appreciate it. If you do, then you get another layer of meaning that neither enhances or detracts from either work.

    • benn says:

      10:13am | 17/04/10

      I think the painting’s quite cool. He would have been having a chuckle when he painted it. People, you can enter anything you want in any comp you want. We have at least that much freedom. What happens next is up to the judges.

    • Steve says:

      01:20pm | 16/04/10

      Carrie - a fine example of the self-referential debate of the art historian.

      does “technical virtuosity”  mean Leach has a really, really good brush technique when he does a paint by numbers landscape? 

      If he reproduced the iconic ‘dogs playing poker’ image, would he still have won because he caused Australians to deepl;y question the role of animals in contempary landscapes?

      And Australians can have an immature reaction to any issue of public note.  As can any other nation.  Just read the comments section of any news website.

      Art - an organised search for controvery and public funding!

    • P T Barnum says:

      01:34pm | 16/04/10

      sTeVe,

      wHEre DiD eWe leArn ta sPelL n tHat?

    • CJ says:

      01:20pm | 16/04/10

      Definitely the most pr the Wynne prize has had in a while too….loved the painting. Also hate the old argument for art from people who say they could have done it themselves…

    • NeilM says:

      09:23am | 20/04/10

      Unfortunately CJ there are many artists that are not professionals that could copy a grisaille as well as Mr Leach. They do not enter the Wynne because of the rules and because they actually feel copying isn’t creative in a complete sense. Perhaps we can simply say next year there are no rules and see what arrives at AGNSW.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      01:08pm | 16/04/10

      Your column is pretty hard to follow, but it seems that you make a clear error:

      “Leach’s picture does not breach the rules for the Wynne which state that the award is for “the best landscape painting of Australian scenery in oils or watercolours””

      If you’re talking about the Leach painting above, it is clearly influenced by Adam Pynacker’s 1660 painting.  So how can this be a painting of “Australian scenery”?  Unless of course this guy Adam Pynacker was an Australian aboriginal who adopted a European name and painted in a European style some 128 yeas before Australia was settled by Europeans. 

      I have no issue with how the scenery is portrayed, nor do I have an issue with an artist reinterpreting the work of another artist, but it clearly can not be “Australian scenery”.

    • Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec Monfa says:

      01:30pm | 16/04/10

      “The notion that there is one original way of portraying “Australian scenery” is misguided. Leach has created an imaginary Australian landscape – it says so in the title of his work – Proposal for landscaped cosmos. He intentionally quoted from another work to make exactly this point.”

      Literal-mindedness went out of vogue in November 2007, fool.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      01:40pm | 16/04/10

      Ok, so I have Asbergers and take things very literally, no need to be condescending.

      Nonetheless.  It is NOT AUSTRALIAN SCENERY.  You have to get amazingly unliteral to repaint something from europe and call it imaginary australian scenery.  Why would they put the words “Australian scenery” in the rules if they are happy for people to just paint the moon and imagine it is australian.  They could have saved time by not having rules and just saying “paint whatever the hell you want, we’ll imagine that it is a good entry”.  There is a rule there, it must have been written for some purpose other than to have us imagine our way around it.

      Thanks for insulting me though, I really enjoy it when people use anonymity be be rude to people they don’t know.

    • Sharkbait says:

      12:33pm | 20/04/10

      Just sayin, of course these cowards get brave enough to start throwing insults around when they know they are anonymous. But they get real quiet in face to face discussions. Then they want to play nice. They are the definition of cowards

    • Duncan says:

      01:30pm | 16/04/10

      I don’t know what I like but I know art

    • Davo says:

      01:34pm | 16/04/10

      Its an award for the best Australian landscape.  Does this mean that if I, as an Australian, paint the Rockies, am I eligible for the Wynne prize? 

      Its clearly not Australian scenery, its a copy/ “homage” to European scenery.  Post decision making justification at its best….

      I would like to take a cup of my urine, and pour it onto the painting.  Now that would be art!

    • Just Sayin' says:

      01:56pm | 16/04/10

      Apparently that’s okay, ‘cause we just pretend it’s Australian.  Literal-mindedness went out of vogue in November 2007 and we are fools.  (See above)

    • Hawkeye Pearce says:

      02:05pm | 16/04/10

      You’re clearly a cerebral individual ‘Davo’: do you find that you often have your own urine, just sitting around, in cups? Have you ever considered drinking a little less beer? Then your urine might end up in the toilet bowl, along with your ‘thinking’, philistine.

    • Spritney Beers says:

      06:45pm | 16/04/10

      Have you ever seen a landscape painted in Australia during the colonial period? In those paintings, the artists routinely impose the ‘rule’ and conventions of European landscape painting onto the Australian landscape.Are those paintngs ‘Australian’ or ‘European’. Do you look at paintings, drawings, prints, etchings or other works of art as a matter of course, or do you just feel compelled to weigh-in to debates about art because you feel everyone is equally qualified to comment on the subject? Are there other areas of specialisation you think anyone should ‘have a crack’ at critiquing? What about science? Or engineering? Or medicine? Now come back with ‘art doesn’t matter, anyway’ and prepare to describe the things that differentiate us from other animals.

    • Ted says:

      01:35pm | 16/04/10

      Perhaps this is how Leach sees the Australian landscape…who is to know except the artist himself?  I don’t see the landscape in terms of dots and vibrant colours…but many aboriginal artists do. 

      Art - it’s a personal thing.

    • Teddy Rorschach says:

      01:47pm | 16/04/10

      Perhaps this is how Leach sees the Australian landscape…who is to know except the artist himself?  I don’t see the landscape in terms of dots and vibrant colours…but many aboriginal artists do. 

      Art - it’s a personal thing.

    • marley says:

      02:00pm | 16/04/10

      If I understand this article, it amounts to arguing that since Leach has good technical skills, he is therefore an “artist,” and by definition anything an artist does must be “original”  and therefore this painting cannot be a copy or a plagiarism.  The reasoning seems a bit circular to me.

      In any case, whether the painting is original or not, I find it very hard to see how it can be defined as “a painting of Australian scenery.”

    • Herman Hermit says:

      02:47pm | 16/04/10

      No, you don’t understand the article.

    • marley says:

      03:42pm | 16/04/10

      Oh sir, do please explain it to me then.

    • Darryl says:

      02:22pm | 16/04/10

      @Carrie & Catharine: Your fault. If you had filed this under satire then some of the commentators above might have twigged. Poor dears are still denying they got caught out on April Fools Day, again.
      I look forward to the next column.

    • marley says:

      02:47pm | 16/04/10

      Gawd, I hope you’re right.  Because otherwise, one is left to the conclusion that the “Australian art community’s reaction to art criticism can be very immature.”

    • Tim says:

      02:16pm | 16/04/10

      Sorry I didn’t get past the third sentence.

      Art matters?  hahahaha.

      Carrie, you get funnier every time.

    • Gordon Flash says:

      07:15pm | 16/04/10

      So I’m guessing you’ve never: read a book; admired a painting or sculpture; watched a television program; watched a movie; seen a play; listened to recorded music; seen a live band or orchestra; heard a poetry recital; seen a advertisement on television or in print; listened to a radio program etc, etc, etc. Your life must be as bleak and limited as your definition of ‘art’. If I cared, I might’ve just about felt sorry for you.

    • Matt Stewart says:

      02:31pm | 16/04/10

      You just have to look at the pseudonyms of the people defending this work to see how derivative the art community has become.  Looking at you:
      - Hawkeye Pearce
      - Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec Monfa
      - Sebastien Cabot

    • Sheik Ya Booti says:

      03:45pm | 16/04/10

      My God! Derivative pseudonyms! Of course, I blame the ‘art community’, whatever that is. I don’t think they are very ‘mainstream’ or particularly ‘comfortable’ though. I suspect their may be foreigners involved… middle easterners, no doubt.

    • Matt Stewart says:

      07:49pm | 16/04/10

      Words used = 36
      Points addressed = none

    • Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec Monfa says:

      02:38pm | 16/04/10

      @Just Sayin’: boo-hoo-hoo-a-boo-hoo. I had three dead grand parents, two dead parents and I have a reactive attachment disorder; that doesn’t give me the right to be literal-minded, go for the ‘sympathy vote’ or conflate manners and ethics. You’re here, laying the boot into an artist you don’t know, entering into a debate you clearly don’t even understand, based on conjecture you’ve read in the newspaper, and you talk to me about being ‘insulting’? Oh and by-the-way does ‘amazingly unliteral’ mean (heaven forbid!) ‘imaginative’?  I don’t think the ‘mainstream’ will be very ‘relaxed and comfortable’ in their double-fronted brick and tile bungalows with wild ideas like being ‘imaginative’! What if it caught on? What if everyone started doing it? The mind boggles.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      02:40pm | 16/04/10

      I don’t claim a ‘right’ to be literal minded, I just am.  Sorry it’s not in vogue.  Clearly, you don’t know what Asbergers is, though I’m sure you’ll wiki it before responding.

      I haven’t laid he boot into anyone, unlike you.  I didn’t criticise it as a piece of art or the artist at all, I questioned it’s relevance to THIS prize.

      Why are you so defensive?  A rule that you are free to imagine your way around is not a rule at all.  Let me know when you are ready to address the point.  You seem to be a very angry person, what’s with that?

    • Keith hammersmith says:

      03:17pm | 16/04/10

      i think Henri, the real point here, is its crap to simply copy someone elses artwork and call it your own.  I don’t really care what is ‘in vogue’ or not. I can not take a photo of am Ansel Adams photo and call my self a great photographer, nor would that photo win any competitions.
      It doesnt fit the rules of the competition, and most of all, its just as i said, crap.

      With your level of anger and defensiveness, I almost think you maybe the artist in question..
      get over it.

    • cats says:

      04:34pm | 16/04/10

      haha what is wrong with you, Henri? Just Sayin’ is absolutely right. If i was to crap on a piece of canvas and spread it around a bit and then say “this is my imagination of the australian scenery” then I’d be eligible for a prize too? Just because you are imagining something, doesnt make it real. The scene he copied was not Australian, will never be Australian, and imagining it as Australia is nice and all but its just not Australian scenery.

    • Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec Monfa says:

      05:12pm | 16/04/10

      @ Just Sayin’,

      I couldn’t care less if you’ve got rickets! You’re starting to sound like one of those dangerous ‘special interest groups’ that robs the rest of us of our right to ‘saminess’. If, as you claim, your condition renders you ‘literal minded’, why the hell are you debating the pros and cons of something as ephemeral and subjective as visual art? You just keep following the prescribed ‘rules’, colour inside the lines, sit up straight and face the front. You should check out what a ‘Reactive Attachment Disorder’ is before making assumptions about my perception of Asberger’s Syndrome. It must be such fun in your little literal minded bubble: anyone with a different or better informed opinion to you… or anyone with ‘different’ ideas… or anyone who doesn’t want to be homogenised… and bland… and beige… and banal… can just be called ‘angry’ or ‘defensive’... that’ll fix ‘em! Look! Keith’s started already! You’ve got a little friend who is still stuck in the ‘plagiarism’ argument the media have already dropped, realising it’s irrelevant in this context. Is there anything else you know absolutely nothing about that you two would like to pontificate on? How about you start by defining ‘Australian scenery’. Have a look at Fred Williams Wynne Prize winning ‘Upway Landscape’, that should get you started.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      07:47pm | 16/04/10

      I don’t think I need to address your comments, Henri.  My points stand and you have not adressed them.  You have no shortage of personal attacks, but that doesn’treally contibute much.

    • Nicole says:

      09:42am | 20/04/10

      @ Henri - you can be as nasty as you want about Just Sayin’ but his point remains valid. I don’t care how ‘imaginative’ and ‘creative’ and ‘artistic’ (read: superior to us plebs) this artist thinks he is - he has COPIED a European landscape and claimed that this is how he sees Australia. I call BS on this, and I’m pretty sure the fact that most Australians do doesn’t make us immature.

      In other news, I plan on painting the Grand Canyon next time I’m in the USA so I can enter it in the competition next year - after all, perhaps I do see the Australian landscape as ‘imaginatively’ being ‘like’ the Grand Canyon.

    • A Bob says:

      02:40pm | 16/04/10

      Now look at what you’ve gone an done. Teddy Rorschach is reinterpreting Ted’s posts. Soon, everyone will be doing it!

      Besides, you’re all wrong. This painting isn’t European or Australian; from the way the island appears to be floating in the air it must be Pandora! And he says so himself, it’s the cosmos!

    • BTS says:

      02:45pm | 16/04/10

      Now look at what you’ve gone an done. Teddy Rorschach is reinterpreting Ted’s posts. Soon, everyone will be doing it!

      Besides, you’re all wrong. This painting isn’t European or Australian; from the way the island appears to be floating in the air it must be Pandora! And he says so himself, it’s the cosmos! !

      (You will notice my post is completely different, I am hoping it will be next weeks discussion by Carrie - fingers crossed.  It’s Art, I believe!)

    • Edward Rorschach says:

      02:52pm | 16/04/10

      Haha!

    • bob says:

      02:47pm | 16/04/10

      “What makes Sam Leach’s work so interesting is precisely that it complicates this banal dichotomy by managing to combine contemporary ideas with an almost obsessive reverence for traditional technique.”

      This is why I wear headphones when I go to see exhibitions.

      Also, given that ‘literal-mindedness’ apparently went out of vogue in November 2007, I am considering entering a copy of the mona lisa in next year’s Archibald, it’s a shoe-in, how could they knock that back, the most famous portrait in the world… what? oh, i just assumed the rules weren’t meant to be taken literally man

    • Joan says:

      02:49pm | 16/04/10

      It`s a nice painting - but let`s admit it it`s a copy and it`s not Australia no matter how many glasses of wine I have to drink.

    • jg says:

      02:40pm | 16/04/10

      I have an elephant that sits in a room.

      It’s name is Plagiarism.

      Maybe I write a song called Tray Dipper and have a killer guitar riff at the start.

    • My sweet lord says:

      03:17pm | 16/04/10

      Right on jg, (Sam Leach got a good reason ... for takin the easy way out)

      If Phil Spector had done the painting and George Harrison had done a “landscape that quotes from another landscape” we would have more than a “banal and reductive debate”. We would have a very expensive court case.

      BTW: Blue Poles is rubbish.

    • can't draw a straight line with a ruler says:

      03:21pm | 16/04/10

      the guy can clearly paint. I don’t know enough about the topic to know whether ‘technical virtuoso’ might be a bit much, but he is clearly no slouch with a brush.

      Whether this piece is to one person’s taste or not seems by the by. I’m with @Just saying, how can this be considered Australian landscape when it is a quote (or copy if you prefer) of the dutchman’s

      As for this being an imaginary Australian landscape, does that mean I can offer up my daughters finger painting and expact to win a prize on the basis that, like most parents, I am deluded and think she has great artistic talent?

    • BTS says:

      03:31pm | 16/04/10

      It’s not a painting, it’s a photocopy, when the toner was low.

    • Angelica Frentaloui says:

      03:37pm | 16/04/10

      I remember Gregan Boutuce tried something similar when copying work by Helmut Dupare. The essence of what he was trying to display was there for all to see. Unfortunately for Boutuce, it was recognised and he was jailed for 18 months in Paris.

    • Jesus wept says:

      04:03pm | 16/04/10

      You people are hilarious. Truly Dressmakers By Appointment to the world’s nudest emperor. Words and meaning, as dear old George Orwell said, have parted company, so long ago it’s as if you were never introduced to either.
      It’s ‘completely incoherent’ to use a word like plagiarism about art, but completely unremarkable to say (over and over) a painter ‘quoted’ someone else’s painting.
      How about that good, clear English word ‘copied’.  Hello? It’s a bloody copy! Extract your heads from your duodenums (for that far up they are) and look at it again. He made a careful, exact copy, left out the boat and it’s hanging there, plain as the nose on your face - or the plain English word copy.
      Of course, in our immaturity, we just don’t get that a rule - a rule governing disbursement of prize money held in trust - that says ‘must be a painting of an Australian landscape’ obviously includes an ‘imagined’ Australian landscape which just happens to be a bit of Italian countryside painted by a Dutch gentleman who never set foot here. And was then copied.
      Why not a painting of the surface of Mars?

    • Chloe says:

      06:46pm | 16/04/10

      Why would an Emporer wear a dress? Oh! It’s mufti-Friday, my mistake. How, do you imagine, has painting been taught in the European academic tradition? You are, of course, aware that the media has realised it’s mistake and ‘moved on’ from the (flawed) plagiarism arguement. There is no word for ‘plagiarism’ in visual art, for good reason. The ‘rule’ is, I believe, that the Wynne Prize is awarded for a painting of ‘Australian scenery’- not landscape painting- in watercolours or oils OR ‘figurative sculpture’. Are you in a position to determine what constitutes ‘Australian scenery’ in the context of the Wynne Prize?
      Words and meaning, in this country, parted company when “small-minded”, “jingoistic”, “myopic”, “racist”, “bigot” became “relaxed and comfortable, sensible, reasonable, mainstream”.

    • Chris Smyth says:

      09:11pm | 16/04/10

      This is a simple situation. He made a copy, and entered it in competition hoping no-one would notice. He got caught out. Bugger.

      I’m happy to be thought immature .. out of the mouths of babes etc ...

      @Jesus wept - great comment!

    • Andy says:

      04:13pm | 16/04/10

      Art? Isn’t that a boy’s name?

    • iansand says:

      04:24pm | 16/04/10

      Art is what you can get away with - Andy Warhol.

    • BTS says:

      04:16pm | 16/04/10

      I like how the ‘artsy’ people consider themselves the only ones ‘qualified’ to interpret art and the rest of you don’t matter and have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Captain Pugwash says:

      06:32pm | 16/04/10

      Would you feel ‘comfortable’ if you were asked to ‘interpret’ a document in a language you had no experience of or familiarity with? That’s right! No one asked you.

    • agblaster says:

      04:36pm | 18/04/10

      You mean Ezra Pound, Pugwash?

    • Psyberus says:

      04:34pm | 16/04/10

      So I could photocopy this exact picture, delete one branch, and enter it again in next years competition as “my” work?

      Its nice to know that such exact copying of another’s work will be defended by such cultured people who appreciate such “art”.

      As the comment above states, its Italian countryside, by a Dutch painter, exactly copied by an Australian and submitted as a picture of “Australian landscape”.  The Australian plaguarist in NO way submitted a piece of Australian landscape, he did not even view the Australian landscape, and went the laziest, most inaccurate approach possible. And, it won, making a mockery of the competition and throwing mud in the faces of those artists who actually followed the rules, and did original work.

    • Vicki PS says:

      06:42pm | 16/04/10

      Carrie and Catherine, what a condescending farrago of obfuscation and flim-flammery!  Your little piece amounts to the worst kind of reductionism—“I’m an art historian, you know, so OF COURSE I understand this painting and you do not”.  Immaturity of reaction to art would consist of accepting such pompous pronouncements with a tug of the forelock, instead of the much healthier response, “So?  I think it’s crap”.  Emperor…new clothes?  Go back to your chardonnay, ladies—or perhaps not?

    • Peter says:

      06:56pm | 16/04/10

      Can anyone please explain to me the difference between an artist and a wanker?

    • marley says:

      07:11pm | 16/04/10

      It’s possible that the wanker might have principles.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      07:47pm | 16/04/10

      A government grant.

    • stephen says:

      02:39am | 17/04/10

      Hang on a minute, I’ll ask yer Mother….

    • Peter says:

      11:44am | 17/04/10

      Government grant and principles… love it..  You know what’s even funnier, is though artists they behave like tortured souls.. especially photographers, they make me laugh. I knew a photographer once and I swear i take better photos with my new mobile phone..

    • Pierre Le-IhavearealJob says:

      08:57pm | 16/04/10

      Carrie - is there a bigword-wiki for art “critics/commentators”?
      The wole trara of the article and the defensive comments that follow are all great and good but they however chose to ignore some pretty important facts: Sam chose not to declare the fact that he “referenced” another work.  If you would have been down to the AGNSW and caught more than a “glimpse” of the painting you would perhaps have seen that it is not a “quote” or reference but a plain copy on low ink! It’s “completely incoherent” to use a word like “quote” in reference to this plain A4 bad quality copy (as the InkJet was probably low on cow and boat colors). I think that’s all ... oh no wait! It also was in breach with the rules! But since it is judged by Mr Lowy and other sponsors in a very short - top secret - session, I highly doubt that anyone noticed until a few days back. As for imagination, there was an entry for the Archibald being refused as the artist clearlty “quoted” the original Mona Lisa - which is not an Australian personality. How was that any different to this?

    • Jesus wept says:

      09:34pm | 16/04/10

      Sure Pete. Happy to help mate. An artist is a person who takes an idea, feeling, thought, observation of the human condition, tragedy or vase of flowers and renders it into some form of expression we can see, touch, listen to, read or otherwise apprehend. It he or she is any good, we may find this deeply moving and somehow affirming of our own humanity. If not, we may find it fraudulent, fake, ripped off or just a bit piss poor.
      A wanker is someone who writes about this process. Especially if they declare themselves an ‘art historian’, ‘art critic’ or ‘fine arts graduate’.
      More especially if they start using made up, pseudo language to avoid saying anything comprehensible. That there is a wanker.

    • Peter says:

      12:01pm | 17/04/10

      Mate, I take my hat off to you,  that is one of the best piece of writings i have ever read. I’m still laughing.. Despite my wanker comment I do accept there are some very talented artists out there..

    • David says:

      10:06pm | 16/04/10

      Your comment:Your article is an unbelievable apologia for a monumental blunder. If the intelligentsia can’t recognize and condemn plagiarism when its this obvious can we really trust them to recognise the much more subtle difference between art and, say, kiddy porn?

    • Dan says:

      02:30am | 17/04/10

      “f only Australians could bring the same level of focus and nuance to debates about art that we bring to debates about what the ref did in last weekend’s match.” What a condescending and stupid article. Carrie and Catherine, I may not be an art historian but I do know enough about art to know that he copied another artist and this talk about it being of an Australian landscape is nonsence.

      Just because I don’t buy your contention that he deserved to win the award does not mean that I (and other critics) don’t know what I’m talking about. The truth it is was an embarassment that he won. His painting was a copy (I love the term ‘accurately interpret’) and it had nothing to do with the criteria for the award.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:19am | 17/04/10

      Governments shouldn’t be in the business of subsidising sport or art. Both are up to the individual spectator.

    • Paul says:

      03:42am | 17/04/10

      I teach at University level for a living. The rules of plagiarism are clear. If you use a portion of another persons work without reference and present it as your own work, then that is plagiarism. You can call it what you want, quoting a previous work, doing it for art, inciting comment… etc.  I am afraid if I received that piece of work to grade and became aware of the previous work, it would fail for plagiarism.

    • stephen says:

      02:19pm | 17/04/10

      University teachin’ just high-falutin school-teachin’, and i once met a school teacher and i never took any notice of he/she/it either.
      Next !!

    • Gustav Klimt says:

      03:39pm | 17/04/10

      Well, you don’t, or not in any field remotely connected to the plastic arts, anyway. That’s why you have no clue what you’re talking about. That would make you a ‘fraud’.

    • rohan says:

      08:57am | 17/04/10

      there’s just no culture here. thats why

    • Jackson says:

      09:39am | 17/04/10

      I don’t now why there should be any funding for the Arts. What a load of crock this business is. Maybe we should have funding for psychic festivals too.

    • JJJ says:

      01:19pm | 17/04/10

      If indeed, as you have suggested, the artwork was supposed to be making a statement about the representation of landscape - then why all the confusion over whether or not Pynacker’s work was acknowledged by Leach in the first place?

    • stephen says:

      02:11pm | 17/04/10

      How come suddenly everyone’s an expert on Art. I mean, galleries are never full, so where’ve yer’all been ?
      Now I’ll bet Brett, or Fred, or Charles never visited their bakery and said ’ now come-on cobber, that not how yer make’em, use yer fingers’, or rockin up to the panel-beaters ’ maate, colour,colour, get it right!’. They weren’t trained for it. They never baked, and they never pannelled. And if it’s so easy, and money’s so forthcoming, you try it…. unless yer got no guts, that is !

    • Juan Gris says:

      02:12pm | 17/04/10

      If I paint a building, am I ‘copying’ the architect’s work? If I paint a bridge, am I infringing the ‘copyright’ of the engineer? If I paint a can of soup, do I need to acknowledge the original graphic designer? If I go into the scrub and faithfully reproduce what I see before me in paint, am I ‘copying’ nature? If I repaint another painter’s work, is that copying? Or, more bizarrely, as above ‘tracing’? The idea of ‘plagiarism’, as I’ve demonstrated, is not relevant to graphic representation: it never was, it never will be.

    • JJJ says:

      08:37am | 18/04/10

      If you take a photograph (graphic representation) of another photo, is that plagarism?

    • Mr. Grey says:

      03:41pm | 17/04/10

      What a waste of money. It could have gone to something worthwhile or at least honest. This is teaching children they don’t need to be original just copy the oerson next to you.

    • Paint Potty says:

      04:40pm | 17/04/10

      I stopped ready Art Speak ages ago - it’s all a storm in a paint pot!

    • dancan says:

      04:55pm | 17/04/10

      Is Australia so desperate for culture that we’re willing to applaud an obvious forgery based of the “artists” ability to hold a brush?  Sad.  It’s no wonder sport and drinking beer is the only things we excel at when this is our standards in regards to anything cultural.

    • Arty Farty says:

      08:23pm | 17/04/10

      Cathie ane Carrie - you need to have a cup of tea, a Bex and good lie down - and if you don’t know what that means then you are far too young to comment on the Wynn Prize or any other.  The New Art Speak is so unintelligable to be laughable and should be considered for the Comedy Hour or Black Books.

    • Psychic Artistic says:

      08:13pm | 17/04/10

      Jackson - what a terrible thing to say about legitimate Psychics!

    • stealthpooch says:

      11:43pm | 17/04/10

      Carrie, I disagree with you about the this issue being merely an ‘immature’ and ‘banal’ debate.  I teach art theory at a university level, and while I’m not decided on the issue myself, of the articles that I’ve read (such as John McDonald’s article in The Australian) most have been well-considered and very interesting.  To be honest, I think it’s great that there’s something other than auction prices in the general Australian news.  It’s great PR for the AGNSW if nothing else.

      I suspect that if the Wynne required an artist statement in the application, this obvious (yet not admitted) misunderstanding would not have occurred.

    • stephen says:

      01:34am | 19/04/10

      Art Theory’s like poo theory : either yer can do it or yer can’t.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      08:02am | 18/04/10

      has there been an original idea since 1969?, the preparation for the moon landings gave rise to major innovations i.e. teflon and PARC was created or at least conceived, they gave us the mouse the intranet (Internet protocol) and Graphic User Interface (windows)

    • stephen says:

      09:02pm | 18/04/10

      Since ‘69 ? Long heared youths( and janis ) with something to say !

    • Samuel J says:

      11:03am | 18/04/10

      Oh come on. It is clearly plagiarism. To take another’s work without acknowledging the source. It is a hanging offence at universities. The prize should be returned.

    • stephen says:

      02:31am | 19/04/10

      Universities are like Nurseries : a hanging offence.

    • jim says:

      02:38pm | 18/04/10

      Unfortunately I get art. I am however a graduate of engineering and that makes a clear divide in my head.

      However I don’t understand music. Two different Orchestras playing the same song with same number and type of instruments, how is it possible to tell the difference between the two… the most subtle difference in sound is completely blown out and exaggerated by Music Fanatics as having “Character”... to me the Music Cartel is all Scam.

      From Classical to Pop.

      Art… at least you can see the difference and effect.

    • stephen says:

      08:49pm | 18/04/10

      Sonority. It is the most important thing. It is the foil to Herbert Von karajan.
      (He was the greatest recording orchestral Conductor, and since, everybody has been trying for the ‘true sound’.)
      Karajan was as aspect of technology, not art.

    • stephen says:

      01:37am | 19/04/10

      ...graduate of engineering, eh ?
      (We don’t take confession on this site, son.)

    • agblaster says:

      04:43pm | 18/04/10

      Hmm. “Banal and reductive”, eh.

      I guess some Tele readers wold get “banal”. Pretty few would get “reductive”. The authors are using uncommon words to sneer at criticism as being either boringly obvious or superficial.

      But at the end of the day, the Wynne is for “landscape painting of Australian scenery”.

      Looks like “Australian scenery” is either too hard for the joint authors to “get”, or too, umm, reductively banal for them to try.

      The work, whether painterly or not, is is a neat confection of a European Landscape.  It’s the Ern Malley of the 21st C Art world.

      It’s not eligible for a Wynne prize.

    • Samantha says:

      11:10pm | 18/04/10

      Oh for goodness sake it is art!!  Some if it is great and the painters talent shines through and some of it warrants no attention at all. If you enjoy art fine, but seriously, lets not over analyse it like it is some wise, philisophical life saving experience.  People who enjoy art are no more intellectual than people who do not enjoy it..so stop all this “wynneing”

    • Shane says:

      09:38am | 19/04/10

      If he had picked a new scene, and done it in the same style as Adam Pynacker then that would be a ‘re-interpretation’, this is copying, regardless of how much spin you put on it. Show me something that DaVinci copied so blatantly from a previous artist, show me something that Van Gogh copied so blatantly from a previous artist. If your article actually backed up your words with more examples then your opinion might be worth something.

    • NeilM says:

      10:06am | 20/04/10

      Carrie’s article is interesting. von Guerard did not sit and work tediously to copy a previous artist’s work, he worked within his societies framework to produce original paintings that would sell. There is nothing in his work that harks back to 1665 in such a direct manner, nor was he painting to enter the Wynne Prize with a set of constricting rules.

      If we apply this art historical distortion approach we could just as readily say that because most Art society competitions have banned entries produced in this way for several years that the painting should never have been accepted as an entry.

      As to technical skill on the part of Mr Leach I’m not sure that is a plausible line to take. The process is slow and for most people not trained in classical technique it is tedious but it can be and is done by many artists that produce work of equal quality when copying. Where the real skill is in grisaille is doing a painting from scratch without photographic/ photoshop assistance. (yes copying a work produced in this manner by applying the same technique is not all that difficult these days, it just takes time).

      But what really bothers me in all this is that we have a nation that spends little on art. Our artists (not all) steam on regardless when the public, that actually buy the art, say they don’t like the direction being taken . This reduces the opportunities for artists to make a living and the chances for us to produce great works disappear. AGNSWs annual scandal in my view actually limits the size of the art market by turning the general public off participating in the art world.

 

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