Australia is a proud and beautiful country. The people are warm, progressive, well-educated and known across the globe for their outstanding hospitality. It is no wonder that Australia ranks No 2 on the global human development index.

Photo: News.com.au

This is why the world watched in shock last year when we became aware of the horrific circumstances that Australia’s live export industry was willing to supply animals to Indonesia.

While Animals Australia’s investigation and the subsequent award-winning ABC Four Corners program generated outrage across Australia, the images of Australian cattle being eye-gouged, kicked, whipped and tortured created a similar outpouring of rage across the globe. The vision that we had of Australia as an ethical and forward-thinking nation changed in that moment.

Now this issue is sadly back in the headlines with new claims today that Australian cattle are being inappropriately killed in Indonesian abattoirs.
The Gillard government’s decision to suspend the trade was seen internationally as the obvious and correct response. In that moment the international community believed this was a rogue industry that finally had been caught out and, as such, would never again have the support of the Australian government.

It was only through the efforts of Animals Australia and the RSPCA that we were awakened to the fact this was not the first time the live export industry had been exposed for supplying animals to barbaric treatment.

We were stunned to learn that despite years of evidence documenting the cruel treatment of Australian animals throughout the Middle East, this industry has retained the unconditional support of successive Australian governments. Moreover, this support was in direct conflict with the views of the vast majority of Australians, who were appalled by their country’s participation in this trade.

It came as no surprise that the failure of the government to ban this trade has been an ongoing a source of disbelief for caring Australians and, for many, despair.

Their despair, however, will only increase on learning that Australia’s involvement in the live export trade has been undermining efforts to improve animal welfare on a global scale.

Australia is a member of the OIE, the World Organisation for Animal Health. This international body accepted the challenge and responsibility of improving animal welfare across the world, and Australia and all of the countries it presently exports to are signatories to the OIE.

In the media the Australian government has termed OIE guidelines ``international standards’‘, but this is misleading. The OIE ``animal welfare’’ guidelines discourage only the worst abuses such as throwing, dragging, beating and slashing at animals’ leg tendons with knives.

However, lacking enforcement powers, the only way the OIE can be effective in reducing the worst abuses is if signatories make compliance with OIE guidelines the basis for bilateral trade agreements.

Australia’s ongoing willingness to sell animals to countries that are failing to comply with OIE guidelines has been actively undermining the work of the OIE to encourage animal welfare improvements in those countries.

This is in addition to the example that live export inherently sets to countries still to recognise that we have ethical responsibilities to protect animals from cruel treatment. Shipping animals halfway across the world only to be slaughtered sets the worst possible example, as it is contrary to every established animal welfare principle and can never be ethically justified.

There are inherent risks that can never be overcome when a vessel takes to sea with live animals on board.

While the world has been shocked to see the treatment that Australian exported animals have received in the Middle East and Indonesia, people were equally distressed to learn of the routine suffering animals endured on Australian live export shipments.

How can an industry that has been responsible for the suffering and deaths of 2.5 million animals during transportation in the past three decades maintain government support and be allowed to continue?

That surviving animals have been provided to countries where there are no laws to protect them from cruelty is simply further evidence of the immoral nature of this industry and the inconceivable abandonment of these animals by the Australian government.

Every decent person across the world applauded the action taken by the Gillard government to suspend the trade to Indonesia as well as the tabling of legislation to ban live exports.

It was taken for granted by the international community that a vote in the Australian parliament to end the trade would be unanimous.

We were therefore appalled to learn that both main political parties in Australia refused to support this legislation, despite overwhelming support from the Australian community.

The questions need to be asked: why do the operators of an industry that brings such shame on Australia and is responsible for such suffering have a stranglehold over Australia’s decision-makers?

How can so few counter the opinions of so many? How can an industry that has animal cruelty at its heart fail to move the hearts of Australia’s political leaders? Some things are just wrong and no amount of profit, no amount of excuses, will make them right.

Tragically, Australia’s live trade is one such example. Overwhelmingly, there is a shared belief across the globe that humanity has ethical responsibilities to protect animals from harm.

That a country such as Australia has failed to do so must be a source of anguish for the vast majority of Australians who care about the humane treatment of animals.

Present initiatives by the Gillard government to finally regulate this trade are all too little, too late. The only way to repair the damage done is for the trade to be banned and, through doing so, to finally send the right message to importing nations: that animals and their welfare matter.

To all Australians who last year united in opposition to this cruel trade, be heartened by the fact the international animal welfare community and all who are compassionate worldwide are with you. Our message is: do not give up.

We will throw our weight and support behind your efforts and that of Animals Australia and other welfare groups, until your government recognises its responsibility to ban this cruel and immoral trade in living beings: a trade that brings great shame not only on Australia but on humanity itself.

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    • GB says:

      10:05am | 29/02/12

      I know your trying to get across a message Chris, and I agree with it by the way, but was the accompanying picture really necessary? You may not be directly responsible for it but there could have at least been a link with a warning provided. Just saying.

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      10:33am | 29/02/12

      GB, it is always the site editors not the author who choose the pic. We are well aware this is a very confrontational image, but it is 100% in context with the story, so unless we receive an avalanche of complaint, it stays.

    • john says:

      11:02am | 29/02/12

      @GB “but there could have at least been a link with a warning provided”

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-29/ludwig-defends-live-export-regime/3859372

      I struggled to watch it - I could not finish watching it. I’ve witnessed traditional slaughter done properly without suffering, what the hell is this?

      The picture is very very mild compared to horrific images of an animal in distress during the slaughter captured on film in this news report,  from the ABC.

      It is an abomination on so many levels to cut the throat of an animal to bleed and wriggle and moan all the way to its eventual death.

    • GB says:

      11:16am | 29/02/12

      No problem Ant. For the record I personally didn’t find it offensive, confrontational yes, which is obviously the impact Chris and you guys are aiming for. I just thought given the sensitivity of the situation, and the power of the image, given we all know what is about to happen, a warning may have been appropriate. Anyways, carry on.

    • GB says:

      11:26am | 29/02/12

      @John. Agreed this is mild in comparison. I too saw the Four Corners report all those months ago and trust me, once was enough. I’m just not sure why they needed to add to to the story by inserting this image. As Sarah said below, the story in itself is confrontational enough.

    • john says:

      12:37pm | 29/02/12

      @GB “I’m just not sure why they needed to add to to the story by inserting this image.”

      I can only see them pulling the cow over with a rope in the PUNCH image.

      I think the PUNCH should have gone the other way for a few reasons:

      -  so we can all see what’s really going on, show a clip of the slaughter.

      - show people slaughtering veal and lambs and film the parent fretting over the separation.

      - to show everyone where your hamburger and steaks start their journey to your gullet.

      Why stand in the way of the truth?

    • Kika says:

      04:19pm | 29/02/12

      I’ve always found it interesting how the majority of people who eat meat can’t stand looking at pictures of where their meat comes from. I agree with Ant. The picture is relevant, COMPLETELY relevant to the story.

    • Inseminoid says:

      04:46pm | 29/02/12

      Kika, do you turn your face away when they rip the vegetables from the ground or forcibly pull the fruit from trees.  They may/may not have feelings, but they are still living, some of them are the roots of plants, so in turn a whole plant has to die to put food on your plate.

    • Kika says:

      02:06pm | 01/03/12

      @Inseminoid - I’d hate to break it to you. But you do understand that vegetables don’t have brains or nervous systems, right?

      Yeah I even cry when I wipe antibacterial wipes over my kitchen bench thinking of the millions of bacteria I’ve just killed. Boo hoo.

    • LilyT says:

      02:25pm | 02/03/12

      I’m sorry they don’t show some of the more graphic photos, or even video.  People should not be shielded from this.

    • AdamC says:

      10:07am | 29/02/12

      I am uncomfortable with the cruel slaughtering practices depicted in the footage aired last year, as well as those shown in the recent video. However, I do not believe it is reasonable to expect change to occur overnight. At some point, the Australian government will have to make a call on whether we can continue to allow live cattle exports to Indonesia if it remains unable to ensure the general use of appropriate slaughter techniques in its abbatoirs.

      Now is not the time for that decision. It is far too soon.

    • Sharon says:

      02:08pm | 29/02/12

      This abhorrent disgusting cruelty has been going on in this industry for at least a decade, and other instances in other countries exposed as well as the misery and suffering aboard the ships of shame. Many instances have been brought to government and industry attention who continue to try and sweep it under the carpet with the justification being money.

      This inherently cruel despicable trade should have been stopped years ago ... in fact it should never have been allowed to start.

      No amount of money, religion or culture can justify it.

    • Kika says:

      10:13am | 29/02/12

      How about we look at what’s happening in our own backyards and are own abbatoirs (whether they be regular, halal or kosher) and if we can come away with a clean record then we have the right to judge Indonesia.

      I can guarantee you that not every animal in Australian slaughterhouses NOR factory farms has lead a fair healthy life nor a clean quick death.

    • Wauker says:

      10:56am | 29/02/12

      I believe rational people actually call them abattoirs.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      11:42am | 29/02/12

      Agree 100% Kika, there is no need to make the animal suffer before slaughtering.  Only the twisted mind seeks pleasure from it, a mate and I do our own slaughtering and never treat the animal the same way as seen in the footage.

    • Mattb says:

      12:49pm | 29/02/12

      “I believe rational people actually call them abattoirs.”

      Spoken like a true representative of the meat industry. Look up the word ‘abattoir’. It’s the French word for ‘slaughterhouse’ you twit.

      I beleive this is a free country and Kika has the right to call it a ‘slaughterhouse’ if she chooses.

      I beleive the meat industry would like everyone to call them abattoirs because ‘slaughterhouses’ sounds gruesome and might, just might, stop someone from buying their products.

      I beleive I will call them slaughterhouses just like Kika, just to stick it up the meat industry, because they want me to refer to it as something else for their own sake. Why beat around the bush?.

      I’ll still enjoy juicy thick steaks, cooked medium rare even though they come from an animal that was SLAUGHTERED.

    • Wauker says:

      03:42pm | 29/02/12

      OoooO Mattb, fancy someone picking up on a language issue of abattoir versus slaughterhouse when you can’t understand English;  i before e except after c, champ!
      Look up slaughterhouse in the yellow pages, you twat!  I think you’d do better under abattoir.  Now hop back into bed with Kika

    • Davy says:

      04:10pm | 29/02/12

      @ wauker. Yes had a smile bout this one myself. So is it “their’ or ‘thier’. I before E and all?? Some rules are just meant to be broken.

    • Kika says:

      04:34pm | 29/02/12

      And… wauker… you were the one wanting to nit pick about language. Check your first post…. MattB was only pointing out abbatoir means slaughterhouse in French.

    • thatmosis says:

      04:47pm | 29/02/12

      One of the problems of making an animal suffer before killing it is that it makes the meat tougher. A clean kill on a calm animal and the meat just melts in your mouth, a kill on an animal that has been stressed is as tough as shoe leather.  We usually pen our animals at least a day in advance and hand feed them to make them relax before the coup de grace.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      05:10pm | 29/02/12

      thatmosis, totally in agreement, no point stressing the animal, just makes it tougher, that’s why we slaughter our own as well, we know how and more importantly when it was killed.

    • Val Baker says:

      04:38am | 01/03/12

      I am sure that you are right,i saw footage shot here in the UK and was outraged,and cried like a baby.Animals,pigs in particular are beaten,goaded by the stunning paddles on sensitive spots like ears and tails,burned with cigarettes,kicked,dragged,urinated upon and bled and butchered whilst still concious.Sick animals are dragged to their deaths and tiny lambs killed alongside their mums.That was hard to watch,the little lambs were still feeding from their mother and their tails wagged,they looked so joyful if only they knew what was to come.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:56am | 01/03/12

      Kika you are right to a degree. I took some kids to a buffalo abattoir in the NT some time ago and the ‘killer’ was distracted by the audience and missed with the stunning and the animal kicked and struggle in the chute for some many minutes before the reserve rifle could be loaded, aimed and fired to dispatch the animal.
      We must determine whether it is a once off ‘error’ or an on going practice before making a knee jerk decision to kill of (excuse the pun) Australian beef industry.
      The protesters would have us believe that it is common practice of course to make their point.
      The images are more than confronting but so was the film of pride of lions killing a young baffalo in Africa and even more so a lion cub with broken pelvis dragging itself after the pride for day with only its front legs.
      Gratuitous violence against any living thing is simply not on but Australia is not exempt from incidental cruelty - take the fishing industry - the fish being dragged from the ocean depths burst swim bladder and are nearly always alive when processed, or suffocate in gill nets or shark nets protecting beaches ...

    • ronny jonny says:

      10:18am | 29/02/12

      Calm down, have a steak

    • james says:

      10:23am | 29/02/12

      They were born to die a horrible death.

    • Anita says:

      02:46pm | 29/02/12

      James and Ronny I pity people like yourselves who are completely devoid of any kind of compassion or sensitivity.  You probably don’t even know what those words so you may have to look them up in a dictionary oh but hang on you probably don’t know what a…..

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:15pm | 29/02/12

      Animals aren’t people Anita, we breed them to die for us so we can eat them. This isn’t Disney, because if it were I’d have those magical brooms that Mickey uses to clean my house instead of doing it myself. Some people need a dose of reality. That reality being that animals are delicious, and will die for me to sustain myself.
      For every article like this, I’ll be eating an extra serving of meat.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      03:28pm | 29/02/12

      Wynston Cruso, with or with out Mushroom sauce?  mmmmm Bessie with mushroom sauce nom nom nom.

    • Anita says:

      03:31pm | 29/02/12

      Wynston, why don’t you go and get your own dose of reality and watch a documentary called ‘Food Inc” and educate yourself about what intensive factory farming is not only doing to animals but people’s livelihoods and the environment.  Then you might (and that’s a ‘mighty’ big ‘might’) have some clue about what your meat eating is contributing to.  Unless you choose free range organic meat from a farmer who uses traditional husbandry farming methods.  Oh but hang on Mcdonalds, KFC and pizza hut obtain all their so called meat from factory farms so I guess not!  Oh and sorry to hear Mickey doesn’t come and clean your house with his magic broom.  Perhaps you can put your steak down for 5 minutes and get off your ass and do it yourself like the rest of us.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:49pm | 29/02/12

      Definately with Calico Kid smile

      Where did I say I eat any of those things? I think your lack of meat intake is causing you to become delusional and make stuff up. Have you per chance looked into the negative effects of crop farming? You seem to assume a lot.

      P.S. Mickey, sadly, isn’t real, and it may seem that your lack of meat intake is also affecting your persception of reality. As if I’d wait around for a cartoon mouse to clean my place, when I can clearly do it myself because of all the energy I have from all the dead animals I walk around eating.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      04:19pm | 29/02/12

      @Wynston,

      Your argument seems to be: domestic animals exist only because we bred them. We bred them for the purpose of eating. Therefore it is not their purpose to live or die comfortably.

      Could you not equally say: it is not their purpose to live in suffering and die miserable deaths? If this is valid, surely if we have husbandry methods that treat our animals humanely, is there any good reason not to apply them, other than indifference to cruelty?

    • Tanya says:

      10:38am | 29/02/12

      Thanks for the very good article Chris, even though it made me cry at my desk.

      ‘Ever occur to you why some of us can be this much concerned with animals suffering?  Because government is not.  Why not?  Animals don’t vote.’ Paul Harvey

    • wendy says:

      01:27pm | 29/02/12

      Animal lovers and those who believe all creatures should be treated humanely certainly DO vote….

    • Tanya says:

      02:29pm | 29/02/12

      Good point, Wendy.

    • Kika says:

      04:27pm | 29/02/12

      I have petitioned all my local representatives - local state and federal - about the need to investigate abbatoir practices and even down to bringing in tougher penalties for animal rights abuses (i.e. people tormenting a cat getting away with a tiny fine) yet none of them, repeat NONE OF THEM (I’m looking at you KRUDD!) gave a damn.  So I’m yet to find a candidate that’s willing to stand up for animal rights… I wish there was.

    • thatmosis says:

      04:49pm | 29/02/12

      Your point being????????? Have half a glass of cement in water and toughen up a bit.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      05:13pm | 29/02/12

      thatmosis says:

        05:49pm | 29/02/12

        Your point being????????? Have half a glass of cement in water and toughen up a bit.

      I usually like a couple of teaspoons of the stuff in my coffee, if I’m ever feeling my compassionate side regulating my rational side mwahaha.

    • Mahhrat says:

      10:40am | 29/02/12

      To me it is important to separate the argument from the moral and dietary concerns. 

      I don’t care if you are vegan, or if you’re required to eat Halal meat, or if you’re a 49-year old bogan with a banged up Commodore and a problem pronouncing the name of your own country.

      There is no need for any living thing to undergo unecessary hardship.  There just isn’t. 

      Should an animal die so that I might eat it?  If I so choose (and I do), yes.  I’m lucky to be part of the dominant speci on this planet.  As such, we raise animals, protect and nurture them, so they may sustain us in the future. 

      This, of course, would never extend to sentient life, so please don’t give me the aliens bullshit.

      Given modern tech, we should be able to slaughter an animal in a way that does not hurt it, and minimises it’s distress.

      As with most things, it’s a balancing act - after all, the animal dies - but the way processing is occurring overseas (and apparently here too) is far too callous.

      So yes, we should eat meat if we want, but we should not support any industry that processes meat poorly.  I see no relevance to arguments of culture, religion or diet.

    • Stephen T says:

      03:05pm | 29/02/12

      I agree with much that you have said, but not entirely for the reasons that you have expressed.  “This, of course, would never extend to sentient life”.  I would argue that they are sentient life in that they demonstrate the ability to feel, perceive and to have subjective experiences.  They demonstrate an awareness of their surroundings and the intent of those tasked with taking their lives; as such their handling requires respect and care. They demonstrate the capacity to suffer; therefore they should not be subjected to unnecessary pain or suffering.  They are also a valuable source of irreplaceable natural nutrients and protein for large sections of the developing and civilized world, so as you rightly say it is a balancing act.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:06am | 01/03/12

      What Stephen T says is quite true - sentience is not a good criteria.
      It brings to mind the idea that Aborigines and negro slaves were considered to have no feelings of affection for their children which by and large justified the ‘stolen generation.’
      A personal relationship with an animal a brings about a more humane killing - abattoirs are process working slaughter factories where an empathy with the animal’s suffering cannot be sustained. In the end dead is dead no matter how humane. It is the minimising of any suffering that become the centre of the argument.

    • year of the dragon says:

      10:54am | 29/02/12

      I thought that the Government fixed this problem.

    • Crassus says:

      11:44am | 29/02/12

      They did, it went to the back burner like all policy that’s too hard to handle.

    • james says:

      01:15pm | 29/02/12

      Like the carbon price and MRRT.

      Too hard.

    • gteen keany says:

      02:18pm | 29/02/12

      The government can’t even fix themselves.
      The Gillard care factor is sub zero smile

    • Mickey T says:

      02:45pm | 29/02/12

      No flies on you James.

      Both the MRRT & Carbon pricing come into effect on the 1st July 2012.

      Or did you mean it’s too hard for you to understand?

    • Dion says:

      04:30pm | 29/02/12

      But Mickey the carbon tax and MRRT are still a problem for Australia or haven’t you heard the majority’s opinion on this. ALP losers….....jeez

    • Against the Man says:

      05:07pm | 29/02/12

      This proves another more recent Gillard lie. Didn’t she say unlike Rudd she gets results? Well no results here. This is an old problem. Gillard is a pathological liar.

    • Mickey T says:

      05:44pm | 29/02/12

      @ Dion - I would say the losers are in opposition…wouldn’t you?

    • Sarah says:

      10:59am | 29/02/12

      That picture made me ill. The opinion piece itself is sufficient, without the accompaniment of such a horrific shot.

      C’mon Punch team - if someone wrote an Opinion piece on porn, you’d hardly put a hardcore, full frontal porn shot up as the image that is ‘100%’ in context with the article, would you?

      If you did an opinion piece on child sex rings - you would hardly put up an image of a child being sexually molested - and that’s technically 100% in context.

      It comes down to good taste. We know those animals are suffering badly, shoving such a horrific image in our faces is hardly appropriate though.

    • Sharon says:

      04:21pm | 29/02/12

      @Sarah: actually it is very appropriate. Like any issue that involves cruelty or unacceptable treatment of others(human or non), the words are sadly often inadequate to outrage people enough into acting to help stop the wrong.

      There is a huge difference between the examples you give.

      Would you also object to photos of an animal being slaughtered in an Australia slaughterhouse? Most people can’t stomach even the thought of that, lest it put them off their Sunday roast.

      How ironic that you mention “good taste”.

      big difference is that most of The Punch readers, and general public are probably not

    • The Black Eye Patch Pirate says:

      04:50pm | 29/02/12

      ‘C’mon Punch team - if someone wrote an Opinion piece on porn, you’d hardly put a hardcore, full frontal porn shot up as the image that is ‘100%’ in context with the article,’

      We can only live in hope that they would wink

      But I’m a bit one eyed withs me porn.

    • M says:

      05:58pm | 29/02/12

      Oh you poor deleicate flower sarah. A bit uncomfortable knowing where your food comes from?

    • meh says:

      11:02am | 29/02/12

      some people seem to care more about animal cruelty than human cruelty - where is your outrage for the millions in refugee camps. perspective.

    • LV says:

      12:40pm | 29/02/12

      I hadn’t realised that people in refugee camps were being tortured and butchered whislt still alive.  So apples v oranges.
      Not quite sure why you think people can’t be outraged by more than one thing at once though.  Concern about cruelty to animals does not mean one doesn’t care about cruelty to humans. Most people can hold more than one thought in their head at a time.

    • void says:

      12:51pm | 29/02/12

      Those millions in other countries that we have no influence in?  Simply, we cannot do anything for them other than scold and sanction the other country at the most.  But the animals that are born and raised in our own country?  We do have a say where they are shipped to and we can do something about that.

    • Micky G says:

      01:47pm | 29/02/12

      @ void, I hear you but banning the export trade doesnt stop anything, except the income for thousands of Australians. When the government stopped the exports last year the Indonesians got cattle from somewhere else until we re-started the shipping. Those cows were presumably subjected to the same treatment at the dodgy abattoirs. Stopping our exports doesn’t stop the practices, it just makes it someone else’s problem and puts law abiding Aussie farmers out of work. Surely the answer is working with the Indonesians somehow? (and no I dont know how). Have we looked at what happens in the other 23 countries we export to?

    • Little Joe says:

      02:30pm | 29/02/12

      @ LV

      No they just starve to death,
      or contract diarrhea and die of dehydration,
      or contract cholera and die,
      or contract typhoid and die,
      or contract malaria and die,
      or get sold as slaves, forced to do unspeakable things and die.

      So if you want to have Humans v Cattle ..... you are on!!!

      These are not Australian cattle ..... they were Australian cattle ..... they have been bought and sold ..... this does not happen in Australia (but please feel free to check out your local abattoir), this happens in a country where they eat dog and cat ..... where millions of people do not have electricity ...... where millions go to sleep hungry.

    • LilyT says:

      04:39pm | 29/02/12

      As LV says, it’s apples and oranges.  Although why the assumption that we’re not also outraged about the millions in refugee camps, I know not.  I care deeply about preventing animal cruelty and I care deeply about preventing human cruelty.  It just so happens that this article is about animal cruelty.

    • Esteban says:

      11:13am | 29/02/12

      First things first. No knee jerk reactions from the federal minister this time!

      This is a complex issue but one aspect that I would like to touch on is this labelling of the cattle as “Australian cattle”

      The cattle are raised by Australian pastoralists but they get loaded onto a boat. At that time they are no longer Australian cattle they belong to the Indonesian importer. That importer subsequently sells them to an Indonesion meat works.

      This “Australian cattle” label is an attempt to involve the nation in the problem. This is a problem for Australian cattlemen to work out so let us give them some time to do so without shutting them down.

      There is no country better placed than Australia to over time oversee the improvement of animal welfare in Indonesia. If we ban exports to Indonesia they will source them from somewhere else. Perhaps the USA. How welll placed is the USA to oversee the improvements that are obviously required?

      A ban on Australian cattleman exporting to Indonesia could result in worse outcomes for USA cattle.  Is it only “Australian cattle” that we care about?

    • Mahhrat says:

      11:38am | 29/02/12

      @Esteban:  Sorry but this argument is wrong.  Should cocaine growers be permitted to sell their product?  After all, they’re not the ones using it irresponsibly and being addicted and turning into crack addicts, right?

      That said, I like the idea of allowing the industry to sort itself out.  Only trouble with that is, how long have they known about it so far, since it’s still going on?

      I’m all for self regulation so long as it happens.  When it doesn’t happen is when Government needs to step in.

    • Esteban says:

      12:12pm | 29/02/12

      Mahhrat. Not the best example because cocaine exporting is illegal and cattle exporting is legal.

      Cocaine destroys lives in the importing county where cattle exports nourishes people in the importing country.

    • Just Curious says:

      02:53pm | 29/02/12

      If I produce and sell goods then surely once I’ve been paid for that product, I no longer have an interest in those goods. What gives me the right to tell the buyer what to do with those goods?

    • LilyT says:

      04:45pm | 29/02/12

      Esteban, the Australian live cattle trade with Indonesia has decimated the livelihoods of over 700,000 small-scale Indonesian peasant farmers who are now struggling to feed their families.  If that’s not destroying someone’s life and livelihood, I don’t know what is. And it’s not the poor and hungry who feast on animals exported from overseas, they can’t afford to buy meat.

    • Just Curious says:

      05:52pm | 29/02/12

      @ LilyT - With the greatest respect LilyT, you may want to read Estebans comment again!

    • esteban says:

      06:55pm | 29/02/12

      LilyT. Are you refering to the statement made by the chair of the peasant farmers union which has 700,000 members?

      the statement that called for the ban to continue because it would result in higher prices to his members? There is no mention of his members being decimated and unable to feed their families.

      The chair of the union also stated that his wish was futile because indonesioan importers would simply source beef from Argentina and Brazil and there would then ironically be less pressure on abbotoirs to lift their standards.

      He further stated that the knee jerk reaction was wrong because although his members might get a short term price hike there was a shortfall that could not be filled within indonesia.


      he also lamented the importation of rice from Vietnam, soy from USA and milk from New Zealand. He would prefer those countries to invest in modern farming within Indonesia so the country could be more self sufficient and peasant farmers might be more productive.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:24am | 01/03/12

      Mahhrat in my opinion coca growers should be able to sell their product.
      Why should the supply side be used to control demand - this is entirely anti market economics. This is the US way of controlling drug addiction in the US by targeting the growers in South America. Does not work, just increases the price or an alternative supply.
      Coming back to live cattle. You cannot solve the problem of cruelty by withholding the supply - the US and Argentina are standing by to take up the market slack. Hence the cruel processes are transferred from Australian cattle to other cattle not solving the cruelty problem just destroying the cattle industry.
      Diplomacy, subtle political advice not over the top we hold the moral high ground 20 million Australian will tell 200 million Indonesians how to behave - unlikely. In response to the last ‘crack down’ the Indonesians have announced a reduction in the intake of Australian live beef.
      I remember when a friend who bred for export told me “The Indonesians want 250 kilo animals for value adding. So that’s what I produce.” while an Australian rural news paper pontificated: ‘The Indonesians will have to learn to accept what we give them.’ Shit a brick what arrogance. Same as the quaint proposal that the cattle should be process here and the meat sent to Indonesia - come again? We dictate to the market?

    • Azzure says:

      11:13am | 29/02/12

      Nobody complains about the cheater violently killing the gazelle and the shark violently killing the seal..

      Why is it that we are the only predator in the food chain that is expected to do things in a humane manner?

      Now I am NOT condoning the poor treatment of animals at all, but it is very wrong to hold an entire at gunpoint for selling a product that is mistreated outside of our country. We are nothing more than a supplier of a product, it is none of our business what the purchaser does with that product, its even less of our business how a foreign company conducts is operations. Imagine the uproar if the Chinese government started to tell us that we have unnecessary health and safety throughout mining and should dumb it down if we still want to be allowed to export ore.

    • Anon says:

      11:33am | 29/02/12

      *cheetah

    • Azzure says:

      12:03pm | 29/02/12

      My mistake.

    • onlooker says:

      02:06pm | 29/02/12

      Azzure animals act with instinct hun, for them its self preservation, they kill prey or they die. We are supposed to have a bigger brain, although sometimes I wonder about some I know. We know right from wrong we don’t have hunt to eat anymore, but that doesn’t mean we should be cruel.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:27pm | 29/02/12

      Self preservation for us too onlooker. We’re omnivores, and as such, require meat. You’re correct in saying we don’t need to hunt to eat anymore, as we have developed a successful way of growing and harvesting animals for our consumption. This is called domestication, and we’ve been doing it for over 10 thousand years. Just because some people have been watching too many Disney movies and Looney Tunes episodes, doesn’t mean I’m going to all of a sudden feel bad about eating animals. I’d imagine that a Tweetie inside a Donald Duck inside a Foghorn Leghorn inside of Bambi would taste awesome by the way. Or would Bambi go inside the Foghorn? He’s pretty big, and would likely be a substantial meal on his own. My point is I could care less, some animals are food and always will be, no matter who gets sand in their vagina about it.

    • Sharon says:

      03:46pm | 29/02/12

      @Azzure:  Really?  Have you ever sat down with a cheetah or shark and tried to have a rational discussion on the ethics of killing for food and taking responsibility for choices? Would love to hear the outcome.

      You might like to look up the meaning of a few if these words - rational, ethics, responsibility, sentience.

      “Very little of the great cruelty shown by men can really be attributed to cruel instinct.  Most of it comes from thoughtlessness or inherited habit.  The roots of cruelty, therefore, are not so much strong as widespread.  But the time must come when inhumanity protected by custom and thoughtlessness will succumb before humanity championed by thought.  Let us work that this time may come.”  ~Albert Schweitzer

    • Poe says:

      03:50pm | 29/02/12

      Wynston - why do you continually refer to the animals as Bambi or Foghorn Leghorn, you might not know this, but they’re not real animals. The ones you’re shoving in your face on a daily basis are, or should i say were.

      I understand that people eat meat (i’m not one of them) and i don’t try to stop people from doing so, but the way these animals are treated is just disgusting. Just because they’re an animal doesn’t mean they should be treated like this.

    • Julie says:

      09:49am | 02/03/12

      Azzure, animals have been given innate protection for the time they are hunted and killed by another animal. It is their endorphins. These powerful substances are painkillers and are released at the time of the chase, so that (it is believed) the hunted animal feels very little of the final fatal lunge. It is completely different for farm animals. They have no chance to run. Their stress level escalates but the excess cortisol is not used for it’s proper purpose (fight or flight) as they are held down. That is why this industry is so wrong. Imagine someone coming up to you now as you read this, grab you and start cutting at your throat trying to get your carotid so you can bleed out? If that was to be your end, it would actually be better to be chased as you would them at least have a hope of escaping.
      For those of you saying we can’t dictate to another country - no we can’t, but we can prevent animals we know and love from suffering.

    • neil says:

      11:15am | 29/02/12

      Chris De Rose must spend a lot of time talking to everyone in the world because he seems to think he knows how the entire population feels about this topic.

      Well he never asked me so I give him my view here. I am not going to lose much sleep over feed stock that may or may not be traumatised for the rest of their lives, let’s say 30 seconds, certainly a non Halal form of slaughter could reduce this time but that’s another argument. After that they are just dead, not feeling anything and have no recall of what happened.

      I’m sick of misanthropes like De Rose telling us how bad humans are and how the western culture is even worse, notice how he describes it as “Aussie Shame” not “Indonesian”. If you don’t like humanity why don’t you just leave.

    • Peter says:

      11:57am | 29/02/12

      I agree with most of what you say Neil.I am sick of being made to feel guilty about being human.I am responsible when we have drought and when we have floods,when it is too hot or too cold.I am responsible for the destruction of rainforests and children starving in Africa.I am responsible for the decline in Polar bear numbers and the melting of glaciers.I am responsible for the plight of Aborigines and world poverty.Now they want me to feel responsible the treatment of livestock in Indonesia.Well they can all go and get stuffed because I like most humans are just getting on with life the best I can and do not want to live in a cave eating berries and nuts so that I can feel good about being a human.

    • Micky G says:

      01:54pm | 29/02/12

      I agree with Neil and Peter.

    • Inseminoid says:

      04:07pm | 29/02/12

      The Inseminoid, like meat, like vegetable, like fruit too, Inseminoid eat what Inseminoid wants.  You can eat what you want, it’s all dead or dieing by the time it gets to your plate.

    • Scott Cole says:

      06:15pm | 29/02/12

      It’s taken this long for the inedible elephant in the room to emerge! These animals are slaughtered in Indonesia, a muslim country [biggest in the world] under THEIR religous beliefs - it’s called Halal. It calls for the animal to be facing a particluar direction, be unrestrained and not penned before it is killed in a way that the blood is drained as it dies. Under these religious rules thay don’t really give a damn what we predominantly christian country people think of their methods. Over a period we may get them to change a bit towards our methods, but their religious beliefs will still prevail. This will take a long time to change but as they become a little more modern in their thinking, it will most likely happen. Let’s not forget it is their religion that drives their processes here.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:39am | 01/03/12

      When a lion or other large cat kills its prey it may take up to 30 minutes for the animal to die in great stress, fear and I imagine anxiety. When a snake winds itself around the its prey and squeezed it to death it takes time and suffering. When chimpanzees hunt and kill other primates its is also hardly edifying.
      Thank God we as modern humans try to do the deed with as little suffering to the animal as possible and rightly we should but Australia can’t and won’t be the international arbiter of who to kill animals for consumption. Here we are worrying how a cow was killed while at the same time a child dies of hunger - not a timely and present death - every 7 seconds. Can we have some priority?
      It is not my fault I am not my brother’s keeper but if I can do something positive about it I am obliged to act.
      I strongly condemn cruelty to animals and I want you to change your practices. But on the other hand why didn’t God arrange for steaks, chops, ham and chicken breast to grow on trees? Rather than give us dominion over them?

    • Anon says:

      11:32am | 29/02/12

      Meanwhile, Australians sit by while 3-year old albino children in Africa have their throats slit and their bodies dismembered for supposedly being witches.

      Horrible things happen to animals. But have some perspective - if it’s not us shipping live cattle to Indonesia, someone else will, and they’ll probably have even less expectations of welfare than we do.

    • Davy says:

      11:37am | 29/02/12

      I notice a few comments about the photo. Is the animal depicted alive or dead. The death of an animal so that we can consume it is never a pretty thing. What I do observe however is that we in australia are becoming more and more removed from the realities of existence. Our meat comes in plastic. So does our milk. Even many of our vegies. We like to think that the rest of the world is as antiseptic as our existence and we find it intolerable when we realise that its not. Rather than allowing some other culture room to be on the planet just as they feel fit, we in our cultural superiority, deem to dictate to them how they should live. Then we pat ourselves on the back and tell each other how multicultural we all are.

    • Gregg says:

      01:44pm | 29/02/12

      Looks like it is still alive at the time of the pic Davy, it being pulled by the rope men so as the guy with the knife can do the killing.

      You’re right though in saying how so many people in Australia have this expectation of everything abroad to be done as how we would do it here which is far from the reality of what life is like for many in populous asian countries where things are different.

    • wakeuppls says:

      11:38am | 29/02/12

      It is simply a moral issue. If Australian exporters are willing to sell to a country they know practices inhumane slaughtering, then that is their decision. It is up to the Indonesians to stop this practice by voting with their feet and buying from reputable abattoirs and/or starting some themselves.

      It definitely is not the problem of the Australian public as a whole.

    • amy says:

      11:41am | 29/02/12

      hmmmm..Murder

      ..tasty tasty…murder (seriously murder is delicious)

    • The Calico Kid says:

      04:53pm | 29/02/12

      lol you bovinepath you!

    • The Old Man says:

      11:44am | 29/02/12

      It is a tenet of our system of justice here in Australia, and indeed all those countries whose systems come down from the British Empire, that a person, or organisation, or indeed country, is innocent until proven guilty. Where was the trial that established, beyond all reasonable doubt, the the footage aired on Four Corners was indeed real in the first place? Where was the irrefutable proof that the said cattle came from Australia and not born in Indonesia or indeed from some third country.
      As for your assertion that ‘the whole world is against this’, well I suspect if you were to go hold a meeting of your fellow supporters in some country where the most pressing issue is would there be food on the table this week, that you might like to take a redundant Telstra phone box to hold your meeting in! wink

    • Craig says:

      11:47am | 29/02/12

      Joe needs to go.

      Jo Ludwig is deadwood for Gillard anyway, with a trail of weak Ministerial performances and inept public appearances.

      I hope that Gillard’s reshuffle recognizes this and puts one of her better performers into the role of closing down live exports.

      Of course Ludwig’s dad Bill is a party bigwig and Gillard is a weak leader, as the Carr fiasco following her re-election as Labor leader shows. So it is unlikely we’ll see Joe shuffled off into a minor role or resign at next election.

      Jobs for the boys - for life.

    • M says:

      12:05pm | 29/02/12

      So ban live export to other countries and deny farmers income because you don’t like what they do overseas and that we should forgo the revenue stream to become the motral arbiter on animal cruelty. Is that about how you feel about this? Cool, I just wanted to be clear.

    • Bonnie says:

      12:12pm | 29/02/12

      Thank you Chris De Rose!!! It is nice to know we have international support.
      It is just what we need. Obviously the pressure of their own people is not enough for the leading Australian government parties.
      This story hits the nail on the head. Good job.

    • Nick says:

      12:14pm | 29/02/12

      Life is a Bitch..perhaps one day we can also try and make Lions and Tigers feel guilty about killing their prey .To all you bleeding hearts take a panadol and get over yourselves.

    • Stiffy says:

      12:27pm | 29/02/12

      Whereabouts in Indonesia was the picture taken? It does not look like a huge commercial abattoir. 
      Cattle slaughtered in small villages in Indonesia is usually the single beast bought from a cattle seller who will wander with his small herd then to the next village.
      The animal will be killed in the early morning. In the last few decades, they are butchered in a more hygienic method than previously practiced. No longer on a clearing in a field but on a concrete floored iron shelter with possibly a tapped water supply.
      The whole of the beast will be consumed by the village by that evening. No refrigeration.
      Many of these small slaughter houses may have originally been provided with some form of humane means of killing the animal. Such as a stunner. These simply end up collecting rust in the long grass as the villagers revert to methods used for generations.
      What is better - the animal being killed and consumed hygienically and providing red meat to the village.
      or ban them and destroy out exported cattle industry. Reducing access for the villagers to such food.

    • Davy says:

      12:29pm | 29/02/12

      Perhaps the next headline should read….. Australian steel used in the manufacture of the knives used to cut the throats of cattle in indonesia. Shame shame shame. (I wonder if the chinese use our iron ore to make AK47’s).

    • M says:

      03:11pm | 29/02/12

      Or Australian Coal used to power the plants which provide electricity to the nasty over seas abbotoirs.

      Where will these guilt trippers stop?

    • the_pseudonym says:

      04:54pm | 29/02/12

      They sail over in the same oceans that wash up on our beaches?

    • subotic says:

      12:33pm | 29/02/12

      When we start listening to other countries telling us how to live our lives, then we can start telling them how they should live. Where do Aussies get off trying to tell other countries what’s right and wrong?

      If a Muslim comes to Australia and demands we beat our women, do we have to abide by this demand? And if not, why not? They do it, so shouldn’t that give them the right to tell us to do it also?

      Over being Big Brother and trying to moralize the rest of the planet….

    • JaneM says:

      02:23pm | 29/02/12

      Kindness, empathy and respect for others crosses culture. Seems your moral compass is confused when endeavouring to use culture to excuse actions that are inherently wrong no matter what part of the globe they occur.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:37pm | 29/02/12

      Agree subotic, furthermore, one persons set of morals doesn’t necessarily align with someone elses set of morals. To me, there is nothing immoral with killing an animal for food, yet some people say we shouldn’t eat meat at all because it’s mean, or something. Morals are a completely arbitrary, human creation, and are by no means universal. We’re not ‘morally superior’ to anyone, and we should stop acting as such.

    • Kika says:

      04:29pm | 29/02/12

      @JaneM - but doesn’t the old saying about charity beginning at home or looking after your own backyard ring true here?  Or if you like the parable Jesus used about picking the speck from someone elses’s eye while ignoring the log in your own eye… Only if we can prove that our slaughtering is perfect then we should have the high moral ground about looking down on Indonesia..

    • JaneM says:

      07:37pm | 29/02/12

      Yes Kika, How can the slaughtering of a healthy animal be kind. Recent fimling in Australian abbatoirs has proven that the process is a cruel one even in a country that has welfare standards. The only consistent action is to cease supporting the meat and other animal exploiting industries. How is kindness to another being who is capable of feeling pain and fear interpreted as being “morally superior” Wynston? If you disapprove of experimenting or killing an intellectually disabled person who is unable to speak for themselves then do you expect others to accuse you of moral superiority?

    • JazzyJess says:

      12:44pm | 29/02/12

      Nick, perhaps if you were in that abattoir watching the poor cow depicted being butchered alive you’d feel different. I grew up on a farm and have seen the ‘right way’ to slaughter and this aint it.

    • Borderer says:

      12:45pm | 29/02/12

      I would actuallly involve an nation spanning organisation that will zealously enforce the rules for proper slaughter. It would cost virtually nothing for Australia to enforce nor would not cost a single farmer a dollar of lost earnings.
      Inform the various religeous organisations in Indonesia that we are concerned that their followers are being sold unclean meat. The meat would appear to be unclean as the animals are not being slaughtered in a halal manner. They will jump down the throat of the various abbatoirs and whip them (literally) into line. Why pay for a bunch of bureacrats to go on another fact finding mission when all you need do is make a couple of phone calls and e-mail the video?

    • Josh says:

      01:10pm | 29/02/12

      As you can see Chris De Rose, there is a large majority out there that do not agree with you. I sold my house a yeay ago and the new owner has not looked after it, should i go back and tell him off?
      I really had a laugh over the “industry that has been responsible for the suffering and deaths of 2.5 million animals during transportation in the past three decade” comment. Have you been on these boats? A good percentage of Cattle put weight on while on these trips, not a common thing for a distressed and suffering animal. So what your saying is that every animal tranported has suffered, very big call to make from someone that probably doesn’t leave his desk most days, how about you come out onto a station and do some real work and see what it takes to make a living out of this industry.

    • JaneM says:

      02:34pm | 29/02/12

      The person who makes a living out of animal exploitation does so by treating sentient beings as inanimate objects. Those who speak out against the cruelty are usually people who have witnessed first-hand what the public don’t see & what the exploiters want to keep hidden. Would you want to be treated the way animals are by -  Eg. the live export trade? Given other animals have the capacity to feel pain, fear and other emotions, imagine what they endure and not for one good reason.

    • Kika says:

      04:33pm | 29/02/12

      Josh,

      Tisk tisk. Have you seen the conditions these animals have to endure on these boats for weeks at a time? They can’t move. They can’t sit. They don’t eat or drink water.  It would be like you getting stuck in a lift for a whole day with 20 or so other people and nobody can get you out and when you do get out, you will die a slow horrible death. You reckon that’s ok?

    • Inseminoid says:

      05:22pm | 29/02/12

      JaneM, save your protesting for the refugees in the UNCHR camps that are forced to wait longer, while the boat hoppers jump ahead of them, I think they are more deserving, not that I agree with what is happening in slaughterhouses OS.

    • Micky G says:

      08:05pm | 29/02/12

      @Kika, Im sorry but you are just wrong. I have worked with live export ships and they have lots of feed and water and an Australian vet on board who checks every animal every day. It would be pretty stupid business practice to let your commodity deteriorate in transit wouldn’t it?

    • Kika says:

      02:08pm | 01/03/12

      @MickyG - BS. Thousands die. They account for stock loss in every part of the production process.  That can be up to 15%

    • Kika says:

      02:30pm | 01/03/12

      Sheep die on every ship that leaves Australia (see Death Files). The causes of death on board ships have been studied extensively during the last 25 years and are:

      Inanition (failure to eat) 47%
      Salmonellosis 27%
      Trauma 12%
      Miscellaneous 14%
      Ref - Live sheep export industry, Journal of Agriculture, WA 31(3): 131-148, 1990 (Reviewed/updated April 2003)

      ‘Inanition’ is term used when sheep – grazing animals familiar only with eating grass - fail to eat the pellet food provided. This causes metabolic changes which make them susceptible to other problems such as overwhelming salmonella infection and diarrhea. In addition to these deaths, many animals suffer, but survive, illness or injury. For example, sheep are susceptible to eye irritations and infections caused by dusty environments on board and some eye problems (e.g. pink eye) can cause blindness even during a 2 week voyage. In addition, it is not known how many more animals die due to illness soon after unloading.

    • Julie says:

      11:43am | 02/03/12

      MickeyG - how can one vet possibly check each animal, each day? That’s the most ridiculous statement. All they can do is cast an eye over the masses, and pick out the ones obviously in need of help. The rest just suffer and die - and they do die, in terrible numbers. To put it in perspective (of sorts), what if a cruise ship carrying 4000 passengers, had a survival rate of say 80% at the destination. Would you want to go on that cruise? In my opinion, there should be a 100% survival rate on livestock ships; any deaths should be completely unavoidable. No animal should die of starvation, illness or injury. Why do animals have to suffer for our economic benefit? We don’t make people suffer like this (I know there is a lot of suffering in the world and a lot of people being mistreated for the sake of lining someone else’s pocket, but it is ILLEGAL). A lot of these arguments were thrown about in the south of America when slavery was being abolished. Yes, life changed for landholders who suddenly had no workforce, yet why should that have prevented the RIGHT thing from happening (slaves being freed)?

    • Deb says:

      01:27pm | 29/02/12

      Live export cruelty starts well before the animals leave Australia. Wake up people. you want to eat meat then deal with the cruelty it brings or go vegan and stop your winging.

    • M says:

      01:36pm | 29/02/12

      How am I to deal with the cruelty done to meat in another country?

      Sorry, but I’ll continue to eat meat in australia without being guilted by the veggo/animal cruelty lobby about what happens in jurisdictions we have no control over.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:53pm | 29/02/12

      Or just start whinging that vegetables also have feelings and just ban everything.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      05:23pm | 29/02/12

      Everything Wynston?  Bugger why go to the Philippines then mwahahaha.

    • Deb says:

      01:27pm | 29/02/12

      Live export cruelty starts well before the animals leave Australia. Wake up people. you want to eat meat then deal with the cruelty it brings or go vegan and stop your winging.

    • Bruno says:

      01:36pm | 29/02/12

      you know those people who get up at 5am every day to milk the cows, how are they supposed to feed their families? there’s only so many woolworths in Australia, you know, where meat comes from. A city slicker trying to tell a country person how much food they can put on their plate? What next a wealthy Englishman who pays immigrants 5 pounds an hour to clean his house telling a one of six siblings Uruguayan who grew up side by side with blacks and raised by a single mother that he’s racist? oh hang on.

      One other thing I’d like to add in my rant: ‘every decent person in the world…’ that’s as good as the ‘....known universally as captain coward’. Although I am disgusted by the treatment of animals in some places we export to and the actions of that so-called captain, relax on your importance. Are you saying the world consists of 5 countries tops. Very elitist well done. The rest of the world has got other things to worry about and couldn’t care less. How about cleaning your own back yard before peaking over the fence. Some moral arbiters.

    • JaneM says:

      02:19pm | 29/02/12

      So tired of this banal argument that divides urban and rural folk. I live in the country and will not support any industry or practice that exploits other animals. Dairy farming is one of the cruellest. Hearing the desperately grieving mothers crying out after their baby calves have been taken from them is heartbreaking. Seeing the frantic animals being herded at the saleyards onto trucks bound for the abbatoirs is so sad. Explain why many humans wean their young then take the milk from another species? It’s both illogical and unhealthy. Let’s really clean up nour own backyard. A good place to start is by doing research into a healthy diet and cruelty-free lifestyle.

    • Bruno says:

      03:33pm | 29/02/12

      just because 5 yrs ago you moved 400 kms north or south of Sydney 45 minutes from the coast does not make you a country person. Just because you grew up in a town of 5000 people 400km inland does not make you a farmer. Your descriptions of the practice of farming proves that. My in-laws are farmers, in the 1800s they received a certificate from whoever the king of England was saying they are now the proud owners of so many hectares never mind the coloured folk who may be living there. You haven’t seen much until you’ve seen a sheep have its throat cut and just lay there bleeding to death, kicking, kicking, kicking. Or watch a calf have its nuts cut off. Actually they don’t cut them they slit the bottom of the sack and squeeze them out. Lets leave it there. Being a city slicker I asked questions, but apparently bullets cost money you see. Being a city slicker they know what I think however knowing how tough the life can be I know they do what they have to.

    • Kika says:

      02:21pm | 01/03/12

      @JaneM - Completely agree. Dairy is completely unnecessary. You wonder why we have such obesity problems when we’ve been sold a pack of lies that you need milk to live (another mammal that requires milk after they are weaned?) and we substitute our mothers milk for milk designed to grow a 1 tonne beast!

    • JaneM says:

      01:51pm | 29/02/12

      Other animals have evidenced their ability for sophisticated emotions and empathy. Some of the above comments reveal that there are humans who do not possess these traits. Evolve from your primitive natures and consider that we do not require animal flesh or products to live. The torture of these vulnerable sentient beings is 100% unacceptable. Adopt a cruelty-free lifestyle. It is a win-win situation for animals, health and the planet.
      http://whyveg.com/

    • Davy says:

      04:06pm | 29/02/12

      Jane it might pay to do some research into empathetic responses of plants. In one study I heard of the researcher who had ‘bonded’ with his tomato plants, recorded a response from said plants when he was some distance away making love to his woman. Just because they dont have soft brown eyes does not mean they have no response. I think it is important to respect the life that you are taking, but unless you are going to be a fruitarian, you are killing something.

    • Kika says:

      04:36pm | 29/02/12

      Davy don’t be ridiculous. Plants don’t have nervous systems nor brains so they can’t feel pain or respond to anything. I can study anything and make a hypothesis about it. How about I do a study on my cat and whether she can understand English or not. My hypothesis will say yes because when I say ‘biscuits’ she comes running. She MUST respond to English.

    • Inseminoid says:

      08:36pm | 29/02/12

      ‘How about I do a study on my cat and whether she can understand English or not’.  Doesn’t matter, Inseminoid see all living thing as food, nom nom nom, sentient or not.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      07:43am | 01/03/12

      Sounds like Davy’s researcher had a good relationship with another type of plant - leafy, grows tall, active ingredient cannabinoids. Perhaps Davy also has this type of relationship over in Nimbin? Although I suspect Davy is joking…

    • onlooker says:

      01:59pm | 29/02/12

      I don’t like cruelty, we had it here recently too, seeing these animals suffer turns me dead off meat. Gillard needs to stop bragging about how good she is and get it all cleaned up here and Indonesia. There must be something they could write into the contract to ensure these animals are not treated so badly

    • Gregg says:

      02:07pm | 29/02/12

      This is all a bit ridiculous for as much as most people do not want to see cattle or any animals suffering any more than they have to, the live animal export trade has been around for quite a few decades and there is the market for it as that is what some countries seek to be exported.

      How the Australian government expects farmers here in Australia to police what is occurring in another country is beyond me and yes, the government can and should make representation to countries, it likely happening through diplomatic channels and it’s effectiveness is so likely to be immeasurable.

      It seems the government needs to make a decision re they absolve farmers of actions that are beyond our borders or they legislate against the live animal trade and put thousands of people out of work.
      To keep going on about what is likely to continue is just going nowhere for everybody and the Indonesians could well do their job for them as they have cut the imports to about 25% of what they were prior to the last ban.

      For those that think there is a nice friendly humane way to kill an animal weighing in at several hundred kilogram and possessing immense strength, they ought to try it sometime.
      The Indonesians are of relatively slight build compared to the average Australian male and it’ll be no easy task, even for a couple of Aussies and the reason why abbatoirs here will have cattle crushes or whatever to hold them for stunning, basically fracturing their skull.
      All that kind of set-up costs money and Indonesia is a land of about ten times our population and so they are strong on labour availability and not necessarily for capitalising their operations hence the practice of getting an animal into a less resistant position and all the action that may entail.

      Our dogooders whether vegan or not and our politicians need to take a step back and realise that theycan only represent our concerns rather than make demands.

      Our coal industry is largely for export and much coal mining is causing a health hazard to those who have lived near mines and transport and handling areas, not to mention what all the burning is doing for humanity and the environment.
      Are we to ban all coal exports? and we might as well do the same with iron ore while we’re at it.
      That’d do one heck of a lot of good for the governments taxation revenue, not to mention our employment and economy health generally.

      Meanwhile we’ve got truckload after truckload of cattle in limbo, not to mention those in feed lots, all going through some suffering compared to living the lazy free life out in the grasslands.

    • neral says:

      02:16pm | 29/02/12

      How about we export live dogs, cats and koalas instead? Surely they are much cuter so wouldn’t be so mistreated as cows and sheep? Okay, I’m being funny but really, why do we accept such mistreatment of some animals but have the law breathing down our neck if we kick a dog in the balls? All a bit screwed up.

    • M says:

      03:00pm | 29/02/12

      Why should we care what happens to animals in another country? The argument that australian animals shouldn’t be treated that way is a fallacy, because most animals would be treated the same way over there.

    • LilyT says:

      04:48pm | 29/02/12

      Why SHOULDN’T we care what happens to animals in another country, M? NO ANIMAL should be treated that way.

    • Ben says:

      03:00pm | 29/02/12

      @chris. “How can an industry that has been responsible for the suffering and deaths of 2.5 million animals during transportation in the past three decades”
      where did you get this untrue figer from? stop filling the general public heads with lies.

    • JaneM says:

      03:15pm | 29/02/12

      So it is the numbers that concern you most? Wouldn’t even just one animal be one too many? How can you be so cold and calculating..

    • Ben says:

      03:27pm | 29/02/12

      @janeM. no it doesnt but the media and Animals Aus are good at extending the truth about this matter. animals die in the paddock every day when the are happy, there is no coverage on this. no slaughter of animals is nice to watch even when it is done correctly. JaneM you oversley havent see it before? do you think milk comes from a container and your meat comes from Coles? get real

    • JaneM says:

      07:27pm | 29/02/12

      Oh Ben - what incorrect assumptions you make . i am completely for real as I know how animals are treated to produce the unhealthy products such as meat and dairy. That is why I am vegan and recommend this lifestyle to everyone.

    • Indonesian abottior worker says:

      01:59pm | 01/03/12

      Oh JaneM that explanes evrything.

    • Sam says:

      03:12pm | 29/02/12

      @chris, i think your a bit one sided on this matter. animal Aus are good at extending the truth. wheres the proof this viedo wasnt taken 2 years ago? and the second animal in the video shown on Laterline last night was NOT a drought master animal as stated by Lyn White it looks alot like a local animal.

    • bob says:

      04:15pm | 29/02/12

      “How can an industry that has been responsible for the suffering and deaths of 2.5 million animals during transportation in the past three decades”
      so that is 228 head a day get real, stop pulling figurs out of your a##

    • Benito says:

      04:24pm | 29/02/12

      Make no mistake, I am against this barbarity however what right do we have to complain when we trade with and allow Indians to come to this country when their horrible and inhumane treatment of Bears is so horrible.

      They are not badly treated in death, they are treated horribly in life.

    • LilyT says:

      04:56pm | 29/02/12

      Benito, we are also trade partners with China, who do unspeakable things to a wide assortment of animals - bears, monkeys, dogs, cats, fish, chickens, turtles, you name it.  Eating them alive (fish and monkeys), skinning them alive (dogs, cats, racoon dogs, rabbits, etc.), boiling and baking them alive (chickens, pigs, cats, dogs), keeping bears in tiny cages their entire lives and milking them for their bile, boiling chicks in their eggs…  Australia is also not without sin either, but what goes on LEGALLY in China has to be seen to be believed (and once seen will never be forgotten). The bottom line is that money means more to our government and large corporations than animal welfare.

    • Andrew says:

      07:08pm | 29/02/12

      What about the way the indians treat some of there people, or do we only stop trade with countrys that mistreat animals.

    • Romy says:

      04:37pm | 29/02/12

      Wow, sad how many people seem to be completely devoid of empathy and compassion. Regardless of whether we all agree on whether it is right to eat meat or not, surely we can all agree that we wouldn’t want any living being to endure unnecessary suffering? Live Export has proven itself time and time again to be inherently cruel- there is no justification for the continuation of this trade. For those of you who say once we sell something we no longer have the right to govern what happens to it next- that is precisely the point- we cannot in good conscience sell a living being knowing that it will be left vulnerable to welfare abuses once it has changed hands. That is just unconscionable.  Thus the trade must be abolished, and quickly. Over twenty years to get it right, twenty years of documented abuses and this is the standard in 2012? What an absolute disgrace.

    • Romy says:

      04:40pm | 29/02/12

      Further, for those arguing about whether these are Australian animals in the footage- the bottom line is that these are the approved abbatoirs- so if the animals captured in the footage are being treated this way then it follows that any Australian ones that come through these abbatoirs will be too- they do not reserve special treatment for our animals. Stop deflecting.

    • tom says:

      09:54am | 01/03/12

      @romy, how do you know theses are approved abattoirs. Animals Aus could have walked into a none approved one and filmed there is no proof. Animals Aus lie to make a good story

    • Kika says:

      04:42pm | 29/02/12

      A simple ban on live exports would end the whole thing.

      Sending sheep to the Middle East for Eid Al-Adha is also barbaric. It’s the matter of how the slaughtered is important for halal so if the government and most importantly, the cattle barons are so keen for both their industry to survive and the meat to be slaughtered right for the Indonesians to buy it, do it yourself. Set up a Northern Australia Halal Slaughter Co-Op and slaughter them here and then export the halal meat to Indonesia.

      .

    • esteban says:

      06:23pm | 29/02/12

      I spent a bit of time watching what was going on in the meat market in bangalore India once. Fascinating.

      The beast is walking in the morning and not a scrap left by the days end. virtually no wastage and all this is done without refrigeration.

      I think the same applies in indonesia so for food safety the beast must be alive and distributed quick smart to the end user without refrigeration.

      With the present refrigeration infastructure there is a risk of spoilage.

      Besided they want the employment in their local meatworks.

    • Kika says:

      02:26pm | 01/03/12

      I’m pretty sure it’s only to Muslim countries we do the live export thing. It’s because of the demand for the slaughter to be halal. I’m pretty sure the beef we export to the USA, Japan and Korea is already processed.

    • stormy weather says:

      04:43pm | 29/02/12

      This is just too much. It’s real life nightmare.
      I won’t bother asking why or how could people do this. I’m just asking when is someone going to stop them.

    • Kerry Jackson says:

      04:48pm | 29/02/12

      What a morally backward country we are.Live export is predominately foreign owned.BAN IT NOW.

    • Carolyn says:

      05:23pm | 29/02/12

      Yes we are a Democracy and everybody is entitled to their opion and expression of thought, however many of the above comments projecting the “they’re just animals/they are meant to be slaughtered” mentality just reinforce how thankful I am to support animal charities over ‘people’ charities. We are expected to have compassion and empathy for our fellow man….and to always “think of the children”, but I’d rather “think of the animals” and support them!

    • Mark says:

      08:16pm | 29/02/12

      We need our live exports. Why don’t you do something about the Indonesians? Instead of sitting in your comfortable office, take on a real challenge and change the perpetrators of the cruelty? Oh that right, that would be too hard, you’re happy to take on the soft target with your emotional arguments and gross generalisations.

    • Ben says:

      10:00am | 01/03/12

      well said #saveLiveExport

    • LilyT says:

      02:18pm | 02/03/12

      And why is it OUR responsibility to do something about the Indonesians, Mark?  Surely that’s the job of the Live Export Industry and the farmers?  And what about the MLA?  Not that it matters who tries to do something about it because - quite obviously - it’s not possible.  Once they leave the farm gate, the farmer takes no further responsibility.  When they’re in Indonesia, they’re Indonesian property and any influence we had is gone.  But according to you, it’s OUR responsibility to do something about the cruelty in Indonesia, even though we’ve played no part in it.  Weird.

    • MarieD says:

      09:30pm | 02/03/12

      Its not only happening in Indonesia Mark. We export millions of sheep and some cattle to the Middle East as well. That has been happening for 30 years, with very little change, they are still treated cruelly and slaughtered without stunning. Thats for those that don’t die of starvation or dehydration on the way. These countries do not have any animal welfare laws and we do not have any jurisdiction over them.

    • Feedlot Mgr says:

      01:18pm | 01/03/12

      Certainly gets people very passionate on both sides.  Anyone here actually work in Agriculture? I do, and the Aussie stock people I spoke to were as disturbed, if not more, than the city folk by the footage displayed on the initial 4 Corners Report last year.  I think people are mistaking toughness or masculine behaviour with condoning cruelty, e.g ‘get over it, they’re only animals’  It’s not strong or clever or macho to let animals be tortured.  It’s a bloody disgrace and those profiting should be ashamed.  Animals bred for our consumption should be respected, if not reverred in the transition into death.  This needs to be sorted out, whether there is an audit trace system or whatever solution ends up being found.  This is a systems/process issue.  And the Meat Boards such as the MLA and Livecorp who are responsible for ‘cleaning up’ the situation in Indonesia, are far too filled with Cattle industry heavyweights and persons heavily invested themselves in the profits to be capable of ever achieving a fair and proper outcome.  The public has a right to be outraged, this situation is a bloody disgrace.

    • Julie says:

      02:26pm | 02/03/12

      Well said Feedlot Mgr. I am glad there are people like you who work in the industry who are just as disgusted by animal cruelty as those of us who don’t. You are right, animals for food should be respected and even revered up to death, as they are giving themselves for us. Many “primitive” cultures think this way. There is so much cruelty inherent in the large-scale production of animals for food but such blatant cruelty needs to be stopped immediately.

    • Cherie says:

      06:18pm | 01/03/12

      I support this Organization,if you need to know how to
      have your say, and help these animals.
        Nathan Elvery, Change.org (mail@change.org)

    • Katrina Love says:

      07:53pm | 01/03/12

      Love how the omnivores who CHOOSE to eat meat always make this into a vegan v omnivore argument.

      This is about supplying animals to a countries where we have no control over the way in which they choose to slaughter the animals they now OWN.

      There is no such thing as humane slaughter, but they can be slaughtered less barbarically in Australia, where there are at least laws that MAY be enforced if any breaches are uncovered.

      By the way, the photo is VERY tame in the context of what goes on. You should have the photo of a conscious steer, with his head half severed and hanging to one side, charging at Lyn White on the abattoir floor.

    • Tom says:

      11:27pm | 01/03/12

      Cruel barbaric industry which shames Australia! Say what you like but the majority of Australians are against Live Animal Export. There is no excuse for this, farmers and people who support this industry are not human and should hang their heads in shame.

    • LilyT says:

      02:23pm | 02/03/12

      Hear hear, Tom.  I have not spoken to one person who’s in favour of this disgusting industry.  Even past and current farmers have expressed their outrage and want to see it banned.  The live export industry as a whole should hang their heads in shame, but what they’re actually doing is hanging their heads over their wallets so they can count their cash.

    • Mark/Fox says:

      04:39pm | 02/03/12

      This unneccesary cruelty is as nearly as bad as the enviromental destruction from overpopulation.

    • averill says:

      06:30pm | 02/03/12

      Excellent article Chris ! We have the answer- at the next election make sure YOUR candidate is anti live export. Stand up and make your vote count. What really tics me off with comments on this subject is all the people who deride Vegetarians as being “brainless” and “weak” because they do not eat meat. Most Vegetarians are much healthier than carnivores, they are also much smarter; because they know what eating meat is doing to the planet. Go look it up you smug smart asses!!

    • Mark/Fox says:

      07:30pm | 03/03/12

      Its amazing how much enviroment we have to tear up and the resources required to put one lettuce on the dining table and the suffering of our native animals to produce this lettuce. So even if you are a vegetarian you are still part of the problem.

    • Len Zell says:

      09:03pm | 04/03/12

      Here are all those taking the high moral grouund of ‘we must stop this terriblke’ slaughter. Then they turn around and support a government and world nthat slaughters its own species in much worse ways and locations. I will take all the above seriously when we nstop sending men and women to war to kill each other - all in the nmae of peace! We can’t have it both ways folks.

 

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