Nothing of substance has occurred in health reform this week. The PM has announced a position he will take in future negotiations with the states. That’s all.

Kevin Rudd at the Press Club this week

Those negotiations may or may not be productive. A referendum may or may not be held, may or may not pass.

But no health reform was undertaken this week. No sick or debilitated person is better off as a result of Government action this week.

What did surface this week, though, was evidence of a troubling, and I fear chronic, disease in modern democracies – “announceabilititis”.

This is a disease of the mind. It infects the brains of politicians and their advisers. It leads previously intelligent people to mistake announcements – and media coverage in particular – for concrete program reform and outcomes. They come to equate clever government with good government.

Possibly the worst and most widespread outbreak of the disease has been in NSW for the past decade. It now appears we have the disease well and truly established in Canberra. It even infected, it was reported, the national security white paper process.

Confusing effective voter perception management with leadership is a fundamental danger in democracies.

There is the risk that success is defined, not in terms of persuasion and carriage of the majority around hard decisions, but merely as re-election and control of office. It’s hard to find a politician or political staffer who is willing to take the risk (but possible renown?) of a one term reformer. In the back of their mind is, ultimately, length of time in power

How has “announceabilititis” impacted on health reform this week? In this area of reform we have a complex challenge – the Government has, apparently, only just realized this. Much of the complexity is not intellectual, it is political. Real change involves electoral risk – that is how modern politicians and their advisers define ‘complex’.

Announceabilititis has resulted in a major announcement of a mere intention to negotiate a new health funding framework. The condition has been reinforced by multiple sound bites and column coverage in the media, so the sufferers now feel they have achieved something.

There is no doubt that creating a single funding source and accountability (actually creating it, not just announcing it) is needed for health reform. But let’s look at some of the ‘undiscussables’ in this area that announceabilititis helps politicians avoid, some of the political risk areas of real health reform. In no order of priority:

  • Inadequate funding of university medical places, and unwillingness to breach medical professional barricades to use nurse practitioners, to boost primary care
  • Unwillingness to use private hospitals and private support services to hospitals to cut costs and boost beds
  • The challenge in too many hospitals of getting doctors to work with each other, let alone administrators, to ensure a reasonable, shared stewardship of limited resources across the whole patient population
  • The need to allow bond payments – adequate payments from the capital gains of baby boomers – across residential aged care to boost investment in facilities, and the opportunity to introduce hospital-to-home transition care for older patients through aged care services, releasing beds held by ‘bed blockers’
  • The need for states to get serious about the alcohol fueled pressure on accident and emergency departments through tougher approaches to closing hours, delinquent alcohol outlets and anti-social behavior
  • The need to introduce co-payments for visits to hospital, just as we make co-payments for GP visits and for aged care
  • The need to get citizens to be taking responsibility for their health, and for their insistence on access to the latest and best technology, by taking out health insurance (and probably before they get cable TV)

Unfortunately, we may have the very people we turned to at the last election to deal with health reform, struck down with a debilitating condition that does not allow them to differentiate when they are achieving change and when they are simply ‘spinning’. For all our sakes, let’s hope they are seeking the treatment they need.

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    • acker says:

      05:50am | 05/03/10

      If it moves one step closer in getting a new hospital in Wagga Wagga built so they can blow up that rat infested throwback to the 1930’s sitting there at the moment, it has won me. Universal national nursing awards and conditions would be a help too, lets get rid of agency nursing forever.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:28am | 05/03/10

      Acker: agree about universal nursing awards conditions etc. That should be the basic fairness we need in all professions across Oz.
      Agency nursing provides coverage, and an ability to have flexability for the practicioner and the institution.
      Provided they have the award qualification and renumeration, whats the problem of Locums in any proffesion?

    • Scot says:

      11:16am | 05/03/10

      Acker and Chong, what a Muppet show you two are. One makes a statement and the other replies. We all know you are Unionists and working for the Labor Mafia, back to the black days of 30 years ago. There is no money for hospitals, schools, etc. because there are too many administration people   in the health System and by the time they suck out their payments there is nothing left for the patient or new infrastructure. The whole system is rotting because of people who have never had a real job in their lives and hide behind the Unions to protect their inabilities and incompetence to deliver. I have seen our regional hospital becomes so top heavy with bureaucrats it is imploding and the service levels have declined to such a terrible state that patients would rather get in a car or plane and go to Sydney for their treatment. Nurses and doctors are walking away, and these clowns still have their jobs because you are protecting them.

    • acker says:

      12:19pm | 05/03/10

      @Scot….I’ve just run my John Deere tractor into an irrigation ditch when I read your accusation of me being a Unionist working for Labor..

    • Scot says:

      12:51pm | 05/03/10

      Acker, so sorry to hear that you have run your Deere John into an irrigations ditch. One would hope that it is still dry, you should be using GPS on the tractor?  The only way you guys will get a new hospital or anything else for the matter in the bush is to break away from NSW (Sydney-Newcastle and the Gong) to make it happen. They do not give a dam about us. He who shouts the loudest gets the most attention. Like our local hospital we have more admin people than doctors and nurses. Where does the money go, no second guess there.

    • acker says:

      01:45pm | 05/03/10

      @Scot..I’m a thrill seeker I prefer crooked cultivation rather than GPS cheated straight lines. There are too many administration staff in the system expecialy in the Area Health bodies in NSW. Rudds system might not be a very good fix, but the NSW State Health system is so dysfunctional anything is better. Look at constant churn of Ministers in the past 2 years.

      Meagher
      Della Bosca
      Hertzisagos
      Trebbutt

    • thatmosis says:

      06:56am | 05/03/10

      If anybody really thinks that Gunna Krudd can deliver on this promise then I want a Kilo of whatever they are on. There’s Gunna all decked out in Doctors robes telling us how good its going to be,in the future????” when really he’s dressed like that because he is going to operate on all Australians hip pocket nerve and raise taxes to fund this “new’ initiative that has no chance of getting off the ground in our lifetime.The problem in case he cant see it is that the there is a lack of Doctors and Nurses to care of his grand plans. Its alright throwing Tax Payers money at the problem but unless you have the available staff then you are back where you started. To expect Private Hospitals to pick up the slack will cost billions but then again I dont suppose that would worry Gunna as he seems to have an open cheque book as far as our money is concerned. The pay for procedure idea will see many smaller hospital close no matter what the Minister says ahd this alone will cause more problems for already overstretched major centres as well as more pain for their patients. This is a recipe for disaster on a grand scale and one that should be fought against by each and every one of us.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:20pm | 05/03/10

      Well we could run with the Liberal party policy, keep your head in the sand and do nothing. That’s the easy option. Is it because you lack the ability for original thought Thatmosis, or simply that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

    • persephone says:

      07:09am | 05/03/10

      Er…this is the way government has worked for, well, ever.

      People can’t judge whether something is a good idea unless you tell them about it. The States can’t negotiate with the government unless they know what it is they’re negotiating.

      It seems you’re advocating a form of government where the government never tells you what it’s going to do, but just goes ahead and does it regardless.

      That’s called a dictatorship.

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      11:59am | 05/03/10

      It’s also called The Department of Broadband, Communication and the Digital Economy

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:22pm | 05/03/10

      Dictatorship, otherwise referred to as the Liberal Party.

    • David J says:

      07:12am | 05/03/10

      Tony Abbotts plann is just to fix 2 states, which he conviently needs to win the next election. At least Rudd is trying to fix thing Nationally. Tony Abbott in the last Governement was Health Minister he ripped 1 billion $ out of the health system. I am in New South Wales I have more faith in a federal Labor Government that what I will ever have in a Liberal Government again. Been there..done that and look at the mess we were in. Nor do I relish working till I am 70 years old and I doubt Mr Abbott will convince many other Baby Boomers that they want to work till near death or death in some cases. If you young people want to work yourselves to the grave, thats fine but wait till we retire before you attempt to bring this in.

    • gerry says:

      03:54pm | 05/03/10

      Umm - I do believe it was the Labor duo Kevvie and Swannie who just recently raised the retirement age .. sure Abbott wants to raise it even higher so I guess we will be shafted no matter which clown gets to become PM next.

    • persephone says:

      07:15am | 05/03/10

      Thatmosis - apparently Abbott’s the one to talk to if you want mind altering drugs.

      The program is expected to be in place by 2012, so unless your lifetime is exceedingly limited, you should still be tottering around then.

      And there are already programs in train to train/attract/retain doctors and nurses in the areas where they’re needed.

      Private hospitals do ‘pick up the slack’ at present. Certainly, people locally are often referred to the private hospitals for proceedures, and the cost is covered by Medicare. Otherwise these private hospitals wouldn’t be able to survive.

      And, no, the pay for proceedure idea will not close small hospitals, as they will be part of a network. The network will get paid for proceedures and it will be up to them to ensure that each hospital in the network gets their fair share. They will also be able to ease the burden on the bigger hospitals by redirecting some patients to the smaller ones.

    • Andrew says:

      09:32am | 05/03/10

      How long with private hospitals pick-up the slack for when we all bail out of private health funds because Rudd and Gillard rip away the rebates for membership to feed the socialist ethic. It is a dumb, dumb move.

    • persephone says:

      10:06am | 05/03/10

      And if everyone junks their private health insurance the feds save $3 billion.

      At present, the feds spend $3 billion without any apparent benefit to public hospitals whatsoever. People still go to the public hospital ahead of the private, even if they have health insurance.

      So that’s wasted money which can come back into the main stream system, without any discernible stress on current services.

    • Jack says:

      10:53am | 05/03/10

      uhm, wouldnt ripping away the rebates be the opposite of ‘the socialist ethic’? You know, making people pay for the complete cost of their goods and services, rather than the government using the pool of public funds?

      Havent you silly Libs realised that trying to scare people with government=socialist=communist doesnt work anymore, and just makes you sound desperate? Even the Republicans have largely given up that line of nonsense, yet the Aussie right seems stuck in the 1950s.

      Oh, that’s right - we are all still waiting for Howard to come back and make it 1953 all over again. Continue with your lame red scare campaign. Maybe throw in something about nuclear war. Better hurry though, those straws you are grasping at are about to hit the floor!

    • David B says:

      11:20am | 05/03/10

      Persephone -  am i reading you correctly?  are advocating that it would be a good thing if everyone dropped their private health cover?  you cant be serious?  I guess you would also expect all those people to inturn forgo their reduced medicare levy?  and i guess as an ALP voter you think that as a result of the Rudd governments World class management standards the wait times will reduce and everyone will run like clockwork.

    • Randal says:

      02:08pm | 05/03/10

      That is an outright lie persephone, the Private Hospitals do not pick up any slack in the Public system.

      In fact there is no agreement between the public and private systems to bail out public hospitals.

      What exists is a system where the private hospitals are given the equivalence of the Medicare Rebate for treatments keeping the costs of treatments down and therefore private health premiums down.

      Of course patients can elect to pay the upfront costs of treatment, at their own choice from a private provider if they do not have private health cover, but the gap in costs of treatment to rebate are many tens of thousands and in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars for any extensive treatment.

      As for the $3B rebate, this has been one of the most successful programs in political history and has seen a doubling of the private health take up rate, and has eased enormous pressure on the public health system.

      A health system that is choked and failing with this rebate in place and it is going to cost a great deal more than $3B a year if revoked as the public system will simply be unable to cope, and that is exactly what will happen if the government is permitted to repeal the rebate.

      Next time try the truth, instead of pedaling ALP propaganda and mistruths.

    • persephone says:

      02:47pm | 05/03/10

      Talking about our local situation, Randell - can assure you that it happens on a regular basis.

      So my husband, for example, has all his heart check ups at the local private hospital, without paying a cent of private health insurance.

      The public hospital (locally) treats private patients and gets a rebate from their private health insurer.

      You need to get out more.

    • Public Record says:

      02:57pm | 05/03/10

      Frankly, Persphone is one of the consistently best posters on The Punch. Her views are consistently backed up by a grasp of policy issues and by basic checking of facts. Considering the depth of insult, rant and spite directed at her sensible and factually correct posts, she remains remarkably cool, while occasionally giving back with a bit of wit.

      I have followed many of her posts with great interest, and I’d recommend her method of checking readily available fact and sensible presentation to anyone with an interest in our society and its progress.

      I’m not across the Health system well enough to know whether Persephone has made a mistake regarding Private hospitals “picking up the slack” from the public system *now*  - though that sort of taking the strain is *certainly* part of the package on offer for the *future*. 

      I am sure of one thing. Persephone is remarkably consistent in getting her facts accurate. She *may* make a rare mistake, but she has *no* need to resort to “flat out lies”. Her stuff is so good she has no need of such dross.

      The Punch needs more posters like Perspehone, who can discuss matters cooly and factually. The Punch could do with a good few more original articles up to the quality of her stuff.

      And no, I don’t know her, I don’t work for the ALP, and I have been to date a selective supporter of minor parties.

    • JR says:

      02:59pm | 05/03/10

      Randal
      I don’t think Persephone was telling an outright lie, I just think she just has no idea.

    • luke09 says:

      04:17pm | 05/03/10

      The private hospitals at present are working close to capacity. Even if Rudd promise one trillion dollars to health, it will not clear the waiting list, as there are more sick people than there are doctors, nurses and hospitals to cope. 
      Years of neglect by imcompetent state governments, mostly labor in all states for past ten years cannot be cured by Dr Rudd’s quickfix cure.  sick

    • persephone says:

      11:18pm | 05/03/10

      •In 2007-08 public hospitals treated 416,000 privately insured patients. In the same year, private hospitals treated 49,000 public patients.

      from: http://www.apha.org.au/media-centre/facts-and-figures/provision-of-services-in-private-hospital/

      Note that I did say this happened locally. It’s obviously not a totally local phenomena - we don’t have 49,000 local admissions!

      But in country areas particularly, there is slack in private hospitals - in fact, I know of a couple locally that literally beg the State to provide them with public patients, and find the restrictions placed on being able to accept them frustrating. They would be delighted to take a smaller fee from Medicare if it meant that they could fill beds.

      At least one local private hospital would still be open if it had been easier for them to take public patients and charge Medicare. As it was the only hospital in town, its closure has meant major problems for the local community.

      Thanks, Public Record.

    • Bluey says:

      05:05pm | 08/03/10

      Good on ya, Public Record, luv ya stuff, glad ya dumped the minor parties in the end. Gunna miss ya posts.

      Good on ya Persephone, you go girl! Good stuff!

      What’s the Ryan? Huh? Speak up, can’t quite catch that? Sorry for the getting it wrong? Sorry for the abuse?  Yeah, yeah yeah. You Lib folk wouldn’t know the truth if it bit ya on the bum.

    • Ryan says:

      12:56pm | 09/03/10

      @Bluey: sorry did I miss something, I absolutely have no opinion on this since I am not across the medical field nor the subject. From the point of view of an average “joe public” in NSW what seems pretty obvious is that the STATE LABOR governments have failed dismally at looking after just about anything, health care being one of those. Now looking at how dismally the current FEDERAL LABOR government royally stuffed up something as simple as the insulation scheme, to believe that Rudd, Gillard and Roxon are going to do a good job on fixing something as complex as health, something their equal counterparts at a state level couldn’t handle does not leave me with a feeling of confidence. Then again, based on Rudd’s track record of keeping his promises I don’t think we have to worry too much about this whole wild scheme getting past “talkfest” stage.

    • Bluey says:

      04:13pm | 09/03/10

      Ah, Jeeze! Got me names mixed, Ryan, bugger. Bit tired. Sorry for that.

      Randal, where are ya? Hey? Speak up, pal!

      The Batts? Jeeze, mate, you know as well as me it was the shonks in the game. Yep, that’s small business, mate. All their own work, amet dead set.

    • David says:

      07:28am | 05/03/10

      I’m genuinely frightened by “announceabilities”, but more so by the fact that so many, seemingly intelligent, people continue to fall for it.

      Absolutely frightening.

    • Charles Kelly says:

      10:20am | 05/03/10

      I agree with you that it’s frightening David, but I’m yet to see any evidence of “seemingly intelligent” people continuing to fall for it. Given their comments here, intelligence is by no means an identifiable attribute of the Ruddites.

    • Shrink the government says:

      07:50am | 05/03/10

      “Nothing of substance has occurred in health reform this week. The PM has announced a position he will take in future negotiations with the states. That’s all.”
      Mercifully this observation is correct. The feds don’t have jurisdiction over health in the states. Yet. And there’s every reason why we should fight to keep it out of their grip too. I get quite frustrated that our government(s) seem to think that it’s their responsibilty to fix everything and take over society these days. They don’t have the right or the capability to do most of what they try to do, and consistent stuff-ups are an excellent illustration of this as a serious modern day dilemma.

    • marley says:

      11:24am | 05/03/10

      Shrink - all I can says is, you must not live in New South Wales.  The feds couldn’t possibly do worse.

    • Dognuts says:

      02:18pm | 05/03/10

      Shrink, surely you jest!! It seems that everyone sits happily on their tailbones living in an apathetic stupor these days, until some minor issue arises, then we collectively scream that the government should fix it. The point being lost in this whole debate is that the health system is not broken, it is merely managed in an inefficient manner that if kepyt going at its current rate, will send the states broke. Australia is still pretty much the best place on earth to get medical treatment, and I wish the bleaters would recognise this. The administration and funding structures are what require reform. And for all the critics out there, yes, this government is interventionist, but how else would you classify the previous mobs overwhelming desire to give welfare to those who frankly did not need it? I am getting the feeling that we are in such good shape in this country, that we are in the position where we may turf a perfectly adequate government for the second time running simply due to childish ideology. Last time I checked, my situation is no worse now that it was in 2007, so for all the ranting going on here, there is little discernable difference between liberal and labor.

    • shrink says:

      02:29pm | 05/03/10

      @ Marley: Good point. Perhaps the state government isn’t the right answer either…

    • DocBud says:

      08:09am | 05/03/10

      I believe that it all started with Tony Blair. He was the first democratic politician that I’m aware of who was completely devoid of any underlying beliefs to guide his policies. His only principle was “me for PM”. He achieved his goal by removing the soul of the UK Labour Party in order to make it electable. As a consequence, he governed through soundbites, focus groups and press releases (bypassing parliament in the process). One of the hallmarks of such administrations is tilting at windmills instead of dealing with real issues. Climate change has been a godsend in this regard. Tony Blair also started the “Sorry, I’ll do better next time” style.

      Kevin Rudd is cut from the same cloth. “You don’t like my principles, hang on, I’ll change them for others you might like better, just keep voting for me”. He became leader because there was a perceived need in the Labor Party to have someone who could be sold as a refreshing change.  Barack Obama is the same. The Americans are waking up very quickly to the fact that “no he can’t”.

      This kind of politics cannot last because it cannot deliver. At some point, someone who believes in something will have to come to the fore and start getting things done again. The UK Conservatives have made the mistake of choosing a vacuous Blairlike leader so over there it will last at least one more parliament.

    • persephone says:

      10:11am | 05/03/10

      I think you’ll find John Howard got there first.

      The John Howard who led the Federal Opposition back in the 80s was a very different person to the John Howard who won the election in 96.

      I remind you that the ‘Honest John’ moniker was an ironic reference to his ability to change his spots according to the direction of the wind.

    • DocBud says:

      11:32am | 05/03/10

      John Howard had core beliefs, essentially free market and socially conservative in nature. These remained consistent with him throughout his political career. He modified policies and attitudes, don’t we all through life, but his beliefs still informed his decisions.

      Blair, Rudd, Obama and Cameron lack core beliefs so their policies blow in the winds of public opinion and circumstances, that is why, for example, Rudd was prepared to claim to be “an economic conservative” to get elected and prove to be anything but once elected.

      If politicians have beliefs, you can despise their beliefs (e.g. socialists) but if they have no beliefs, you can only despise the politician.

    • persephone says:

      12:52pm | 05/03/10

      John Howard claimed to be small government, but he ended up with the biggest public service ever.

      He claimed to be for individual choice but used the Medicare surcharge to force people into private health.

      He claimed to be for State’s rights but forced them to fly flags and teach certain beliefs.

      He claimed that individuals should have the freedom to live their lives without interference from government, but over ruled NT legislation which would have allowed people to chose the way they died.

      He claimed there would never ever be a GST and introduced one.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:40pm | 05/03/10

      Docbud, Howard presided over some of the lowest productivity figures since the second world war, allowed Telstra to monopolize the telecommunications industry, hardly free market. Lied all throughout his Prime Ministership, core/non core promises. Threw money at the electorate like there was no tomorrow. Ripped more than a billion dollars from public health to try and force people to take out private health insurance, smothered the middle class in unsustainable welfare, neglected education and infrastructure, started wars in far flung places and invaded their countries whilst lying to the Australian electorate about why were going and then when refugees from these countries, people who had been displaced by his warmongering, showed up on our shores, he told them to bugger off. The man was a weasel, a political parasite and he eventually got what was coming to him, to be ceremoniously dumped from government and his own seat of Bennelong.

      So if by “core” beliefs you mean he was an ignorant grub, then I concur.

    • Andrew says:

      08:17am | 05/03/10

      Modern Politics exists because of the modern journalist, a self absorbed blogger with more opinion than a desire to diog for a good story. They listen to KRudd bleat on in monotones, delivering his words without passion or conviction and then run away and blog about the new saviour. There is no accountability anymore.
      We have now had a decade of labor rule in the States, here in Victoria we have a government that is full of waste and legislative obesity. It is far more arrogant than Kennet ever was, but it has an unchecked mandate. Serious questions are rarely asked a pursued… we have had a few puffed out chest pieces in the Myki debacle, but now that Kosky has quit it is a thing of the past. Other states have government that border on being corrupt, but the journos’ desire for Labor governments prevent them really digging.
      They take the piss out of Tony Abbott, which is really a pretty easy task given the lunacy of some of his views, but go soft on the biggest fruit loop in Australian politics, Bob Brown, because he masquerades as being green.
      And now, while you want to discard my thoughts, I can tell you I am a journalint and a publisher - not in politics - and I am disgusted by what I see in the mainstream media. I did look at a job covering Canberra at one stage, but the lazy nature of that part of the professiion drove me back into my home.
      The disease has infected the media as much as politics.
      I was going to close this comment by saying I was going to keep an eye on the articles by the journalist Chris Gardiner, then i read his bio and realised he is just a blogger.
      Maybe The Punch will email me back and ask me to do some deep digging articles!!! Maybe.

    • Sherlock says:

      08:22am | 05/03/10

      Hey all Kevin Rudd wants you to do is vote him back in - twice.

      Then all he’s going to do is force the state governments to spend a prescribed amount on health by withholding part of their GST entitlements.

      Adding yet another layer of bureaucracy to administer one more payment scheme is not an answer.

      Anyway, the scheme in its present form won’t work. It favours the efficiencies of larger hospitals and smaller country hospitals will die. Accordingly there will need to be amendment after amendment till the system becomes so complex that nobody, including those administering it,  really understands it.

      Of course, if Mr Rudd would release the Henry report he’s been sitting on for months we’d at least have an idea what taxes we might be paying under the next government and how they will fund any health spending increases. Nicola Roxon refused to rule out a new tax so perhaps there is something she’s doesn’t want to tell us before the election. That seems to be a popular strategy with the ALP. Just ask any Queenslander.

    • persephone says:

      10:14am | 05/03/10

      Firstly, the scheme guarantees no increase in bureaucracy. It’s a condition of the funding.

      Secondly, smaller hospitals will be compensated for the increased costs they have compared to larger hospitals. And, as part of a network, they’ll be able to use their increased buying power to cut some of their present costs. Being part of a network also allows the sharing of staff and resources, adding more efficiency to the system.

    • Willy K says:

      10:35am | 05/03/10

      Sherlock… don’t worry about persephone - he/she is an ALP apparatchik/apologist.

    • Sherlock says:

      10:56am | 05/03/10

      persephone, I would suggest that you hve a real good think about how this scheme is going to work and then review your comments. Only then will you realise just how ill-informed they are.

    • David B says:

      11:51am | 05/03/10

      Persephone - surely you dont genuinely believe what your saying here?  I note you havnt included comment on Sherlocks point re the Henry report?  I assume you believe Rudds BS excuse that Health has taken priority and they havnt had a chance to focus on this yet?  If you believe that then you really do have problems.  Clearly there are recommendations in the reportthat are not going to be palatable for the electorate (like tax increases to pay for ALP’s mis-management)  The delay is more about ALP developing a strategy for both what spin they are going to run with and timing of the release.

    • persephone says:

      12:59pm | 05/03/10

      Yep, Willy K.

      Let’s not check out whether I’m right. Let’s not answer my facts and research with your own.

      Nah, let’s just go for ‘persephone is a Labor supporter therefore you can just dismiss everything she says.”

      I’m into facts, not personal abuse.

      Still, guess that says something about Liberal supporters.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:59am | 05/03/10

      Chris,

      Sadly “announceabilitis” doesn’t just effect politicians and their advisers, it also effect the electorate.

      People vote for pollies that tell tham what they want to hear. Bearing in mind most pollies do what their party tells them. We have a democracy going nowhere fast.

      Both our major parties are following the Pied Piper format e.g. we have the party leader, the whistle/flute and all the little rats that run along behind.

      Politics is no longer about national pride or community, it’s a job and most pollies will do or say anything to keep their job.

      But the worst aspect, is that the electorate will believe which ever piper plays their tune.

    • Kim says:

      12:58pm | 05/03/10

      Maybe if we changed the law regarding *Lying* through advertising, then maybe the electorate might have a better chance of choosing the party that has the best policies.

    • Bella says:

      09:34am | 05/03/10

      Rudd isn’t taking responisbility for health in the slightest.
      Offering to fund 60% of the “efficient” cost (while syphoning GST to do so) means nothing.
      The whole problem in health is that costs are rising well beyond the “efficient” or ideal costs.
      So Rudd says he’ll pay 60% of what he thinks it should cost, leaving the States with all of the risk and all of the blowouts.
      It’s a complete sham. The States will continue to shoulder the burden, with no decent revenue source to fix it. And the Feds (who don’t run a hospital and have no expertise in service provision) will continue to blame the States.
      So it doesn’t address the cost problems and it introduces hundreds of new boards/bureaucracies to further spread the blame.
      How does this fix anything?

    • persephone says:

      12:58pm | 05/03/10

      No, Rudd has specifically said the Feds will fund blowouts. The whole point of the scheme is to take that burden off the States, because the rate the GST is rising is being outstripped by the rise in health costs.

      You obviously haven’t looked at Rudd’s speech, as it’s very clear that he recognises that problem and has covered it.

      He also has put in a provision that funding will be tied to no increase in the number of bureaucrats and stated that city based bureaucrats will need to relocate out to hospitals to find work.

      That’s why the NSW Health Ministry is having kittens.

    • Bella says:

      01:53pm | 05/03/10

      If he was funding blowouts, he wouldn’t have been so careful to say (everywhere) he was funding 60 per cent of the “efficient” cost. Only the newspapers are lazily saying he’ll fund 60 per cent. He’s not actually saying that.
      If he wants to take over health, he should. Take a proportion of GST off the States and take responsibility and run it. That ends the blame game. He’s not doing that.

    • persephone says:

      02:50pm | 05/03/10

      Bella

      he is funding 60% of certain services, 100% of others.

      The speech - which I suggest you read - explicitly states that the Feds will cover cost blow outs above this.

    • Bella says:

      08:27pm | 05/03/10

      Persephone, the services he’s promised to fund 100% are the ones the feds have always funded 100%. Geez, that’s a big promise.
      What is the mechanism for the Feds to cover blowouts? There is none: the hospitals will continue to be state hospitals and the staff will continue to be state employees. The bills will be paid (or not paid, as the case may be) by the State.
      I’m sorry, it’s not a well thought out plan, it hasn’t been developed in consultation with the people who actually run the hospitals, deliver the services and understand the pressures, it’s a stunt and it’s not working.

    • persephone says:

      11:34pm | 05/03/10

      Bella

      Incorrect. For example, Rudd has promised to take over 100% of primary health funding.

      A (very very quick) google finds this:

      ‘Just under half of primary health care funding (47%) is provided by the Australian Government. Almost half is for medical services and one third for medications. States and territories contributed 17% for community health and non-admitted hospital patients, and non-government/private health insurance/individuals contributed 36% mainly for dental services, medications, medical services and aids and appliances.’

      http://www.yourhealth.gov.au/internet/yourhealth/publishing.nsf/Content/nphc-draftreportsupp-toc~nphc-draftreportsupp-ch3~nphc-draftreportsupp-ch3-fund

      2004/5 figures, but don’t think much has changed.

      From 47% - 100% is a big jump.

      And, to quote from Rudd’s speech regarding the consultations you claim didn’t take place:

       ’ the Government over the last six months engaged in a comprehensive consultation process involving more than 100 forums around the nation – 21 of which I attended.
       Today I want to thank the doctors, nurses, allied health professionals, health administrators and other passionate advocates who attended these consultations and shared freely their time and wisdom.’

      And for funding beyond the GST -

      ‘In addition to the fundamental structural reforms I have announced today, the Australian Government will also take on the dominant role for the future growth of the system beyond a simple linear projection of GST payments.’

      With funding delivered on the case mix model, there is no such thing as ‘blow outs’. In Victoria, for example, hospitals do not operate under a fixed budget as such, but are paid for services provided.

      I will admit that this isn’t necessarily done as well as it should be in Victoria, with hospitals managing to get into deficit due to a lack of transparency in the delivery of other funding (by which I mean that the ‘top up’ payments from Government, similar to those proposed under the Feds, are not always predictable) but that’s largely due to the restrictions of the State budget rather than an actual problem with the proposal.

      The whole intention of the Federal package is to take away from the States the bits of health that they are having trouble funding. Certainly, as the Intergenerational report showed, States cannot continue to meet rising health costs by themselves.

    • Bella says:

      03:05pm | 06/03/10

      Persephone, you cannot be serious. Just because a speech says “this wiill work - I’m stopping the blame game” doesn’t mean either of those things will happen. You have to look at what’s proposed, not just the rhetoric.
      Rudd is not offering to pay for primary health as you’ve defined it. They are not going from 47% to 100% at all - is he offering to pay where private health insurers do now(36% of your total) or take community health off the States? No, he’s not. But he hasn’t defined it, because it’s been jotted down on the back of an envelope.
      The consultations you refer to were for Christine Bennett’s report, which didn’t recommend this solution at all.
      It’s all very disappointing because it so clearly can’t work in the way it’s been announced. There are so many practical problems that could have been avoided with some consultation and discussion with people who knew what they were talking about.

    • Super D says:

      09:37am | 05/03/10

      So the news is that when we elected a bullshit artist we got a bullshit artist?

    • Leonid says:

      10:05am | 05/03/10

      Super D, you don’t know brilliance when you see it.

      Kruddman, leaping tall buildings, won the last election on some very core promises.  You know, “we will end the blame game, the buck stops with me, we’ll fix the health system”, etc.

      Now Pixie’s pix op is in an operating gown and he looks even sillier than in the permanent hard hat he copied from the NSW puppet premier.  And oh joy, health is going to be fixed, again, just after the next election.  It all sounds strangely similar to the constant bullshit that the corrupt NSW government has been using for fifteen long years.

    • Charles Kelly says:

      10:37am | 05/03/10

      This all seems to be based on the premise that one branch of the Labor party thinks that they can do a better job than another branch of the Labor party. What amuses me is that Rudd is saying is that state Labor clearly can’t manage a root in a brothel - yet we’re all expected to think that federal Labor can do better! The problem’s perfectly clear to me.

    • Super D says:

      12:22pm | 05/03/10

      I wonder how things went down for Anthony Albanese when he had to explain to his wife, NSW Health Minister and Deputy Premier Carmel Tebbutt that his colleague Nicola Roxon would be taking over hospitals as she would do a better job. 

      I know it is said that Australians differentiate between state and federal politics though how anyone can tell the difference between the State arm of the NSW Labor Party and its Federal arm is a complete and total mystery to me.  The number of husband/wife teams operating in the State, Federal parliaments and executive public service associated with the ALP is absolutely ridiculous.

    • John says:

      10:40am | 05/03/10

      This is the end game for democracy. Both the political parties are undeserved of any loyalty let alone support. They take multitude contradictorily policy positions that is more about creating illusions than outcomes. Majority still thinks they some power over them, but the real power is the Global economy, hence big corporations. I‘m not sure where we go from here but I’m sure it won’t be good for most Australians.

    • eye4aneye says:

      01:20pm | 05/03/10

      I agree no political party deserves loyalty - we should all vote for who we think will do the best job and not mum and dad voted for so and so and so will I or I liked so and so 20 years ago so i’ll keep voting for so and so’s party.

      Just wish we had some more/better options.

    • thatmosis says:

      01:02pm | 05/03/10

      Persephone, what unbridald enthusiasm but so mispalced. Gunna hasnt a hope of getting this off the ground because the States wont accept the premise and even if they did it would be soundly defeated in the Senate. No increase in bureaucracy, yeah right, name one intitiative that didnt come with an increase…..............waiting…..............., smaller hospitals will be compensated for what and how, sitting on their collective duffs, walking to the car park, this is a crock and is doomed to failure but not before it costs the Australian tax payer billions of dollars again. Its painfully obvious the we are dealing with a Government who’s ideas are made on the spur of the moment, paraded around as the solution to all our problems and then shelved because they got it wrong again. We have already had decades of Labor running hospitals and look at the state they are in now and someone actually thinks that another labor Government can fix it, hahahahahaha….....

    • David B says:

      01:31pm | 05/03/10

      thatmosis - spot on mate.  Persephone, what you heard in Kevin Rudds speech may sound very inspiring but you have to balance this against his track record.  You may recall that his election speech in 2007 included similar rhetoric around “ending the blame game” re the hospitals.  Given he hasnt delivered on the 2007 speech what gives you the confidence that it will be any different this time around?

    • Kim says:

      02:45pm | 05/03/10

      thatmosis - Have you seen the newspapers today?  Rudd is stating that the States *can’t* block the health reforms.  Let’s hope you’re right and that the Senate will.

    • persephone says:

      02:54pm | 05/03/10

      I don’t think agreements between the States and the Commonwealth need to go through parliament but are agreed to at COAG.

      And that’s why Rudd is reserving the right to take this to referendum.

      As for the idea being spur of the moment, can you guys get your lines right? The other criticism is that it’s 9 months overdue and has taken far too long!

      I can’t cover all your points because you got a bit garbled in the middle there and I really didn’t understand you.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      01:12pm | 05/03/10

      “operations manager” a burecrat that ‘earns” 6 figures saving the state health system less than 5 figures

    • preciouspress says:

      02:19pm | 05/03/10

      Chris Gardiner is clearly a man of great talent. Without planning, without consultation, without the immediate support of the States, and irrespective of the Senate, he could do much better than this 2year old government and act to put the Australian Health system to rights.
      Where was his voice from 1996 to 2007? As he took care of his private health? Was he happy as the public system was run down? Is Gardiner a constructive critic or just another spoiler? I think I know.

    • Randal says:

      02:22pm | 05/03/10

      The first 5 words of this piece describe best the entire tenure of the Rudd government… “Nothing of substance has occurred”...

      Deep in the third year and what have had:

      School halls that were not needed instead of books and teachers
      Computers that say schools are bad with no program to fix the problems
      Insulation that will burn you or kill you
      A health plan that merely creates a new bureaucracy with not an additional doctor, nurse or facility
      A tax review that is hidden under Swan’s desk
      A climate policy that the PM will not mention in public
      National debt that is spiraling out of control
      Banks that do what they want on interests rates
      A stimulus that was mis-directed and over the top
      A national broadband network that will cost a fortune and be obsolete before its completed

      Yes ... “Nothing of substance has occurred”... best sums up this basket case of policies and failures, not one successful program implemented in nearly three years and this health plan is merely another dud policy, designed t give the impression of action, whilst doing absolutely nothing to tackle the problem.

      Before I hear the word Stimulus, it was a decade of stability under Howard and the continued surge in resources that saved this nation from recession, not school halls, not cash gifts nor any other program, it was China and excellent economic management of the previous government, plain and simple.

    • Helen says:

      03:08pm | 05/03/10

      Inept, incompetent and totally out of his/their depth in all areas.

      So many questions that need to be asked and so many questions that need to be answered by this appalling Government.

      At last the cracks are starting to show - one term Mr. Rudd and one term only .

      Regardless what all the pundits are saying - I believe that the Polls are wrong.  Time will tell.

      Bring on the next election - I can’t wait.

    • rob says:

      03:53pm | 05/03/10

      this will never succeed ,its just the bullshit inherited in the system, the politiical system

    • Brad Coward says:

      04:22pm | 05/03/10

      If ever someone holds a BS Olympics, Mr Rudd would be the entire Australian Team BSíng on, and on, and on without the aid of an enema !  More spin and hot air !

    • Donny says:

      08:54pm | 05/03/10

      don’t you think rudd realises the jig is up? micromanager? leader? mr.thebuckstops with me? all just spin and publicity, no real underlying capability, ability or leadership.

    • Aitch B says:

      06:35am | 06/03/10

      Loved Rudd’s statement yesterday…. “It’s time for the States to just get out of the way!”

      Yep…. that’s consultation, innit?

    • thatmosis says:

      09:47am | 06/03/10

      Im really waiting for Gunna Krudd to throw a hissy fit for the cameras, maybe even chew on the carpets, oh wait that was the other dictator wasnt it. If you watch and listen closely the time is getting close to Gunna losing it on air as the interviewers actually want some straight answers and not the spin and platitudes that spew forth from his mouth at every opportunity. So far he has had a dream run on certain TV stations but slowly the worm is turning and peole are demanding that he answer the question, not with a question but with an honest and frank answer. His old excuse like its the former Governments fault or the GFC was to blame are wearing thin as he is supposed to be in Government and as he says “the buck stops with him”

    • Felicia says:

      10:29am | 06/03/10

      I want to hear more before I comment on this health plan but I have been watching the news and it seem to have got the nod from many people in the health industry .. I do know that our health system is a mess. I have relatives with bad experiences sitting in hospital emergency waiting rooms for hours. You can’t blame the staff, they are so over worked. To my knowledge Tony Abbott wants to fix only 2 states. I am in N.S.W so I should be thinking “great” but we are one country and I really feel every states health system could do with a good overhaul, Mr Rudds way provides the same care for us all

    • Public Record says:

      11:43am | 06/03/10

      “Randal says:03:08pm | 05/03/10

      That is an outright lie persephone, the Private Hospitals do not pick up any slack in the Public system”

      “persephone says:12:18am | 06/03/10

      ‘In 2007-08 public hospitals treated 416,000 privately insured patients. In the same year, private hospitals treated 49,000 public patients.’

      from: http://www.apha.org.au/media-centre/facts-and-figures/provision-of-services-in-private-hospital/”

      Hmm. Looks like personal insult and ranting is no substitue for a cool head and a little well directed checking, eh.

    • Randal says:

      03:19pm | 10/03/10

      I suggest that you check your facts “Public Record” I did not state that Private Hospitals did not treat Public patients, I said that the public patients paid for this privelege.

      Persephone incorrectly stated that private hospitals “pick up the slack” and the factsis they do not.

      In fact if you actually looked into the issue you would see that the vast majority of the 49.000 treatments where for non-surgical procedures i.e. where patients pay extrra to be treated privately for a minor condition.

      This is not where the strain is on our public system, the strain is on the elective surgery waiting list and the private hospitals association has put a request into the government to come up with a formula for them to pick up the slack, this was rejected by Roxon as it meant the government spending more money.

      So perphaps I respectively suggest that you actually look into an issue before attacking someone who actually nows what he is talking about.

      As for perse, she already knew this and that was the reson for the meek response as the truth would be critical of the ALP.

      Plus no doubt old perse can fight her own battles I would suggest and as Scotty Palmer would say… “keep on punching…” whether I post or not.

 

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