There has been recent public uproar over an experiment conducted at University of Adelaide. Researchers have shaken anaesthetised lambs to death in an attempt to prove whether shaking alone is sufficient to produce brain injury and mortality, or whether additional head impact is required.

How could someone hurt a poor widdle lamb? Picture: Peter Lorimer

To quote from the research paper itself, “Nine anaesthetised lambs were manually grasped under the axilla and vigorously shaken with sufficient force to snap the head back and forth onto the chest…”

During the experiment, three of the lambs died unexpectedly (to the researchers at least). The remaining lambs were killed after six hours and left overnight. The next day, brains, spinal cord and eyes were collected for examination.

I read the research paper, published in the Journal of Clinical Neuroscience and I was outraged. I was furious that public funding is being wasted on information already known – research to prove something which most average people consider to be common sense: you don’t shake babies!

After a little more ‘research’, on my behalf, much to my surprise I found that the same testing had actually been done only two years ago by Finnie, Manaris and Blumbegs which in turn was published in the same Journal of Clinical Neuroscience. In fact the two papers’ Experimental Protocol was almost word-for-word in both cases. The only difference being that two extra lambs were used in the recent ground-breaking experiment.

As members of the public, we are continually assured that all research using animals is highly regulated, subject to approval from an animal ethics committee, only conducted when absolutely necessary and then only when there are no suitable alternatives. Well, perhaps we’re all missing something here because by my interpretation this research certainly does not seem to meet these requirements.

Aside from the ‘common sense’ factor, how on earth did two separate animal ethics committees sanction this experiment?

The purpose of an animal ethics committee is to evaluate the justification of an experiment, to consider such things as whether the benefit outweighs the harm caused, whether the research has already been conducted elsewhere and whether the animals being used are appropriate for the desired outcome.

The researchers chose to use lambs due to the large brain structure and weak neck muscles to simulate a human baby. What they failed to consider was that they used a species that differs to humans in critical areas such as disease pathogenesis, response to traumatic insult and responses to interventional drugs – all of which render the data obtained from this research and any potential cures to be obtained from this as completely irrelevant.

So what have we actually learned from all of this? Well apparently”[t]his study proved that shaking a subset of lambs can result in death without additional head impact being required.” Wow!  Now we all know that’s a pretty important medical breakthrough, but more importantly it shows us:

• that animal ethics committees (two separate committees in this case) are failing to function correctly;
• that our researchers could be spending their time more productively,
• there is a need for greater transparency and accountability of animal experimentation; and
• how our taxpayer dollars are wasted on futile research.

Oh and yes, if you hold a lamb without supporting its neck and shake its head too much it will die.

A great amount of unnecessary research is being conducted on animals in Australia every day. Some of the more ‘critical’ experiments include silicone breast implants in pigs, feeding alcohol to pregnant sheep and giving marijuana and ecstasy to other animals.

Animal experimentation is not just about cruelty to animals; it’s about wasting precious resources which would be better spent on human-specific research relevant to real medical progress.

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    • Louie the Fly says:

      06:24am | 16/07/12

      You have to wonder about the researchers who did the actual shaking don’t you.
      How about a bit of a study on them - a psychological profile perhaps.

      I often think that a lot of research is more about “resume building” and “getting published” by the researcher than the topic they are researching.

    • Maybe says:

      12:51pm | 16/07/12

      I thought the same thing.  It takes a certain sort to be able to shake a lamb to death…

    • Baloo says:

      01:24pm | 16/07/12

      Do you reckon they did it by hand or some sort of device they built?
      Damn it would be hard to look at myself if I did that.

    • Nicole says:

      05:05pm | 16/07/12

      took the words right out of my mouth.  Wow, just wow.

    • PonderingLink says:

      08:09pm | 16/07/12

      Mmmm roast lamb…Not sure about roasting researchers, at the end of the day its only a dead lamb or two!

    • Lucy says:

      11:48am | 17/07/12

      @Baloo, The quote from the paper says “manually”, which means the researcher/s physically shook the lambs using their hands.

    • THANDI-CLAIRE says:

      12:56pm | 17/07/12

      This is one of the professors involved.  Feel free to write to him and tell him your thoughts, i did.  I suggested he take human babies from orphanges that way he wouldn’t be taking babies away from their mothers.  I also suggested if he had no feeling, he see a psychologist.

      roger.byard@adelaide.edu.au

    • Elizabeth Duggan says:

      01:37pm | 18/07/12

      Animal experiments are all about justification.  Justifying the cruelty - to help humans (even when there’s alternatives available).  Justifying your funding.  To justify your continual funding, you have to ensure you spend it all & more.  If you run out of things to investigate you simply re-invent the wheel.  Who’s going to find out?  Ethics committees are a joke.  Everyone employed at a lab wants to keep their job next year, so we keep experimenting and using the funding ....and around & around it goes.

    • Samo says:

      12:49pm | 21/07/12

      Thandi-Claire I twice submitted an email to the email address you have provided and it was returned twice, so I sent it to Helen Marston who has written this article and still no reply to me. Suggesting using any babies is not a suggestion I would consider nor condone, after all surely we are aware of the damage shaking does to babies after the amount of parents that do it and damage and kill their babies…  Animal testing receives funding and can avoid companies being sued which is why it continues unabated on so many different species often for nothing more than to satisfy the morbid curiosity of the researcher/ scientist. There are jails full of people who are unable to be released due to their dangerous nature toward ordinary citizens so could volunteer or be volunteered to help us and pay their debt to society by being experimented on then humanely euthanised at the end of the experiments. This would give us accurate results, save tax-payer dollars and put these unfortunate individuals out of their misery and ensure other people’s safety. When I suggest his I am told it is unethical. To me keeping a human in a cage for their entire life is unethical and to release dangerous people into society until they reoffend and again hurt others is unethical. To waste tax-payer dollars on these peole who cannot be repaired is unethical. What other solution is there as what we have now is unethical and is not the best outcome.

    • Tom says:

      07:38am | 16/07/12

      I n the scheme of things if one Child’s life is saved by these types of experiments then they are worth it and should go ahead.

    • Phil says:

      08:02am | 16/07/12

      If as a parent or soon to be parent you are not smart enough to work out that you shouldn’t violently shake a baby as it could harm or kill it then you should not be allowed to have children.
      I mean this is really not that hard to work out and makes me wonder and rather worried that there are people out there that need to be told this.

    • ME says:

      08:11am | 16/07/12

      How can the childs life be saved when they are already dead Tom? These nitwits are trying to find the cause of death by killing other animals to try to prove a pointless experiment. Its shameful and embarassing that these people practice this in the name of science Tom. The child had a systemic shutdown Tom, it died, does it matter whether the brain was ‘shaken’ up or whether the brain short circuited or whether the airway ceased to be patent Tom? The child is dead. So why do we have to experiment this on an other being; in this case a lamb; to identify with this when the outcome will vary on a multitude of circumstances and variables.

    • Bud bundy says:

      10:58am | 16/07/12

      Not if it was a devil child!

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      11:14am | 16/07/12

      Right Tom. Next I propose an experiment that entails lighting piglets on fire in order to test whether or not it would be a good idea to set small children on fire.

    • PonderingLink says:

      08:15pm | 16/07/12

      Admiral Ackbar, whats wrong with flame grilled pig, honestly we’re breading these animals now for transplantation stock, get over it, it was a couple of lambs, they would have ended up on a dinner plate anyway.

    • Joel says:

      11:51am | 18/07/12

      Tom, you really have no idea do you. Nothing justifies this.

    • Lily T says:

      05:51pm | 18/07/12

      Pathetic Tom.  Lacking compassion, speciesist, selfish, arrogant and pathetic.

    • Nick says:

      07:52am | 16/07/12

      Not defending the research since it isn’t my field but one issue not raised is when was the work completed?  It may be old results finally seeing the light of day, in which case the previous study would not have been published at the time the experiments were conducted.  If these results weren’t published then the animals would have been truely killed for no purpose whatsoever.

      I also wouldn’t be so dismissive of the relevance of the results to human babies without a pretty detailed knowledge of comparative anatomy - disease pathogenesis and response to drugs appear to be irrelevant to the study, and it may be that the anatomy of lamb’s skulls, brains and spinal cords are sufficiently close to that of human babies that the experiment provided useful insights.

      Is the experiment cruel?  Again I don’t know, but if the lamb’s were fully anaethetisedthe whole time then it was probably far more humane than the typical slaughter experience so I doubt it was unusually cruel.

      People seem to strugle with these kinds of apparently “no brainer” studies but they sometimes throw up completely unexpected results.  As an approach to knowledge creation the scientific method is based on evidence.  We are also now at the point where we use “shaken baby syndrome” to lock people up in gaol for many years so it makes sense for us to be sure about what it is we are doing.

    • Matt G says:

      08:38am | 16/07/12

      Couldn’t have said it better myself Nick..  Another point, it is mentioned in the second paragraph, they were looking to see if shaking alone was what kills.  This has implications if you get over your animal cruelty drama.  If it takes a blow to the head, then prosecution of parents who shake their baby changes, as it proves they must have struck their head as well as just shake them. 

      Unfortunately ‘common sense’ doesn’t mean jack s**t in scientific terms, and quite often these ‘common sense’ notions are completely dismissed by some solid research. 

      I agree killing the lambs isn’t nice, but get off your high horse for a second and consider how many lambs have died so that you could have lamb chops for dinner!  I can guarantee those lambs weren’t fully anaesthetised !

    • Brendon says:

      08:55am | 16/07/12

      Missed the point entirely.  Regardless of the cruelty issue, the results achieved in lambs cant be accurately translated to human babies.  The structure of the lambs brain being different and its reaction to chemicals (such as anaesthetic) means that there is still no definitive scientific proof post these two experiments.  This is still a waste of time, resources and tax payers money.

    • Matt G says:

      09:22am | 16/07/12

      Are you a neuroscientist Brendon?  Do you know more about the link between lambs brains and human babies than the researches and their mentors?  Perhaps you should go teach them a thing or two, obviously you’re an expert in the field..

    • Nick says:

      09:35am | 16/07/12

      I don’t know if that is true Brendan, and neither do you. Even at the most basic level, if you are looking for a suitable model system to work in you have to do these kinds of experiments to either validate or invalidate it.  You simply asserting that the model is invalid doesn’t invalidate it.

    • Silence of the lambs says:

      02:20pm | 16/07/12

      Brendon has actually made a very valid point. On a superficial level, yes there may be similarities between a lamb and a human baby, but on a deeper level, which is where this research will have been looking, there are intricate differences which are of critical significance and makes this research highly questionable.
      Matt G and Nick, if you have any background in neuroscience you will be very well aware of this.

    • Nick says:

      03:58pm | 16/07/12

      @ Silence…I think I’m pretty familiar with the issues surrounding human use of, and other interactions with, animals.  I have first class Honours in comparative neuroanatomy, a PhD in evolutionary genetics, and about 15 years research experience.  Prior to that I worked as a lab tech in an animal breeding and holding unit that supplied several major medical research organisations,and before that I worked controlling feral animals, currently the bulk of my income is derived from attempts at ethical beef production.  I was also near vegan for 15 years or so, nowadays more flexible in my diet as long as I am comfortable with how the food was produced, and I used to live (in harmony!) with someone employed by a major animal liberation organisation.

      I’ve worked across a host of model systems, both plant and animal, vertebrate and invertebrate, so I’m aware of the pros and cons of model systems.  Vast amounts of useful knowledge have been derived from carefully thought out experiments in model systems at all kinds of scales.  It is impossible to generalise in the way that you guys would like.

      I guess I fundamentally disagree with the premise that we shouldn’t exploit, control, or keep animals at all, even as pets but I think the animal liberation movement has been fantastic for improving the welfare of all animals.  I’ve seen huge changes over the last 30 years or so.  Sadly not so much in the arena of food production, and barely at all outside major Western nations.  I don’t know that these kinds of strawman articles are particularly helpful, but I guess whatever rouses the troops.

    • Craig says:

      07:54am | 16/07/12

      Just as the catholic church is the refuge of those who cannot control their impulses to abuse children, is science becoming a refuge for those who cannot control their impulse to harm animals? Is this happening as more manufacturers cease animal testing?

      Warped individuals still have many professional hide-aways they can creep into.

    • M says:

      08:25am | 16/07/12

      That’s a long bow to draw in both instances. Not all priests are peadophiles and I’m certain that most scientists would be against this sort of thing.

    • maybe says:

      12:56pm | 16/07/12

      As a fully qualified scientician, I object.

    • PonderingLink says:

      08:26pm | 16/07/12

      Nothing wrong morally or ethically with experimenting on animals if it save human lives, and only a tool would draw an analogy with religion on this subject, grow up or start your own blog if you cant control your anti religious nonsence.

    • Lily T says:

      06:11pm | 18/07/12

      It’s quite clear that the only tool commenting here has a name that rhymes with WanderingDink.

    • Samo says:

      02:06pm | 21/07/12

      Good question Craig. Paedophiles are more reviled than cockroaches. I have pondered whether catholic priests are in fact more often paedophiles or just opportunists. Being locked away unnaturally with other men living by standards that are against the laws of nature perhaps some if not most of them have taken advantage of weak victims who could not protest against them to satisfy their urges? Like men in jails having sex with each other despite being hetrosexual under normal circumstances. Regardless of the reason they should ALL have been brought to justice and prosecuted in a court of law like other humans. Those who enabled, covered up and ignored the victims should receive equal punishment.  The same applies to individuals abusing and torturing animals to death to satisfy their morbid curiosity or possibly sadistic nature. Many experiments have no basis to help humans at all. It in fact asks the questions do all of these experiments actually get put before an ethics committee for approval and how many are done ‘just for the sake or it’ without others knowing about it? Just like the sadistic individuals who gravitate toward intensive farm industries and are so sadistically cruel to the animals for ‘laughs’ that they are more dangerous than any other being on the planet as there is no limit to the physical abuse and torture they commit to and against defenceless animals. To those who say it is only a… just put yourself in that place and say yeah okay that’s fine I don’t mind being tortured to death. Your last minutes alive in agonising pain and suffering to your last breath… ALL beings deserve humane treatment and quick humane deaths. Anything less is a damning indictment on us as the intelligent specie. WE have the power over all others and it takes no intelligence at all to be cruel and sadistic to other beings. Every other being is defenceless against humans regardless of it’s size, teeth and claws or poison, as logic, intelligence, guile and weapons render every being at a strong disadvantage against us. We are each accountable for all our actions and it is time to stop hiding cruelty away behind locked doors.

    • Emma says:

      07:55am | 16/07/12

      I cannot imagine that we have a bunch of scientists sitting in dark laboratories thinking “Which poor little baby animal can we hurt today and then cover up our disgusting passion by claiming it as science”.

      And I am convinced that the author did represent the purpose of the study in a highly subjective way to support her outrage.

    • scott says:

      10:03am | 16/07/12

      Is it still considered “animal cruelty” if experiments are being conducted on animals that were bred for the specific purpose of scientists conducting experiments?  I see them as being no different to livestock, they are just a commodity.

    • Teresa says:

      10:18am | 16/07/12

      Scott, I guess the same question could be asked about human slavery. Would it still be considered human exploitation if some humans (perhaps of lesser intelligence for example) were bred specifically for that purpose?

    • Shhh says:

      11:06am | 16/07/12

      No you’re a commodity Scott.

    • Chris L says:

      11:22am | 16/07/12

      Receiving my pay from a department called “human resources” makes me feel like a commodity. They haven’t shaken me to death yet though.

    • scott says:

      11:35am | 16/07/12

      @ Teresa
      Your drawing a long bow, but I guess if humans were bred specifically for the purpose of being slaves, then I guess they would be a commodity.  But why do we need to breed them when it will be far cheaper to just outsource to Asia?

      @ Chris L
      Your employer is paying for your skills, so it is your skills that are the commodity

    • ME says:

      07:56am | 16/07/12

      I often think that these topics speak for themselves. As long as people condone any sort of animal cruelty including that of eating animals, this is a ruthless and perhaps useless, hippocritical topic to discuss. Speaking for myself it makes my blood boil. You will always have those who hand on heart blindly believe that it is okay as long as they dont do the primal damage. As for those inflicting, eat your own hearts out you EGOtistical hippocritical cowards.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:56am | 16/07/12

      This is not cool.  It is also the fault of our “justice” system.

      See, it works like this:  Some crafty defence lawyer argues that “Yes, my client shook the baby, but only a little bit and not enough to hurt said baby.  No way could it have possibly been my client, who was <insert massive list of comorbidities, alcohol, drug use and other “excuses”>

      Everyone tuts alarmingly, and Their Honour, in trying to hold to the community’s expectations of compassion to a person who probably doesn’t have any, finds that there is “inconclusive proof” that the actions of the shaker did indeed cause the consequences to the poor bub.

      The public at large don’t care what the reasons are: you don’t shake your baby.  The public doesn’t accept that it’s impossible not to know this, and expects the person to be done for manslaughter or something.

      Whether or not incarceration is the “right” outcome is not relevant; the public want an outcome that ensures the behaviour is firstly discouraged and secondly protects the rest of us from someone who’d shake their baby.

      Our leaders, trying to balance this with the compassion of Their Honours, fund the shaking of baby lambs to try and find a benchmark, not really ever considering how you’d prove whether that much force was actually applied, and so the cycle continues.

      No, you shake the baby, you contributed to the crime.  You contributed to the crime, stuff happens to prevent you doing so again.  There has to be a line that is clear and easily interpreted; shaking anything to death is over that line.

    • Mahhrat says:

      09:24am | 16/07/12

      Apologies:  Their Honours hold to what THEY THINK are the community’s expectations.

    • martinX says:

      12:44pm | 16/07/12

      Got it in one. This was lawyer-inspired research.

      Next up, someone will invent a machine that gives a calibrated and reproducible amount of shaking, so we can really be sure about all of this.

      Maybe there would be better outcomes for all if they actually did the experiments on lawyers.

    • dingoh says:

      08:27am | 17/07/12

      Isnt there a old joke that lawyers can be used as a substitute for lab animals - as there are more of them and you are less likely to get attached to them too?
      Both problems solved…

    • Joan Bennett says:

      07:57am | 16/07/12

      Tom, why should an animal have to go through pain for a human?  You must be a member of an Abrahamic religion.  I understand that all the holy books say that god gave man to have dominion over the animals.

    • Cobbler says:

      09:39am | 16/07/12

      lol, 9000 lambs probably died worse death’s in abattoir every day so we can all go down to Coles and buy nice little packets of lamb for our BBQs on the weekend.  Which was delicious by the way.

      However, this article did come from someone who tried to sell to us a couple of months ago that animal testing is pointless because animals aren’t people….........................

    • M says:

      09:52am | 16/07/12

      At least the abbatoirs pretend to kill them humanely.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:23pm | 16/07/12

      Abattoirs kill them humanely? As far as I know sheep are not stunned before their throats are cut.
      The lambs in this research were anaesthetised.
      Whether the research was necessary or not is another question.
      Of course its common sense that shaking a child can cause death but there are other things involved - how much will cause permanent damage, what can be done about non-permanent but severe damage, what are the other consequences. What actual damage is done - perhaps there are not enough shaken babies to autopsy to lead to treatment.
      Simple common sense does not always lead to medical treatment of the afflicted. e.g. Chastity will prevent STDs but is that enough to stop STDs while not researching how to cure the disease?

    • CBR says:

      02:23pm | 16/07/12

      @Dieter “Abattoirs kill them humanely? As far as I know sheep are not stunned before their throats are cut.”

      Yes, they are. By law.

    • Samo says:

      12:33pm | 21/07/12

      Your scepticism ‘lol’ is an interesting reaction Cobbler and testing on animals does not give accurate results in humans so it may or may not be pointless but can be dangerous when the body of the test victim is nothing like ours and therefore could be fatal to any of us. The lambs are not the crux of the matter here, it is the unnecessary wasting of valuable research dollars that could save human babies especially when the research has already been done with identical results. It is the failure of the ethics committee to keep research to those experiments which are relevant to humans. It is the incredulty that the researchers were surprised when the lambs died ‘unexpectedly’. Anaethatised bodies are totally floppy so the results again are flawed also babies heads and skulls are different to lambs and any of us with basic intelligence realised that shaking a baby so hard that it’s head snaps back and forth to it’s chest will at the very least give it brain-damage and or a broken neck and possibly other bones. Given this I find it deeply disturbing that the researchers are unaware of these facts. They are supposed to be the smartest among us and make discoveries to help us. This is failing to be done in this case representing the lack of commonsense of these researchers making them somewhat reckless and possibly dangerous. For those of us who have not looked into animal testing in depth it is probably a good time to start in order to make an informed opinion. The comparison of an abattoir with animal testing indicates to me that there is no difference in your mind.

    • bella starkey says:

      09:56am | 16/07/12

      So I was just flicking through Clinical Neuroscience weekly in the queue to the supermarket…

    • Terry says:

      10:17am | 16/07/12

      Joan; Why shouldn’t they? You must be a member of an extremist animal liberation group…  See what I did there? Anybody here actually read the paper? Of course, Helen, it might have been useful to provide a link to the paper you are ranting about (I assume it’s this one; http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967586812001014), and while we are at it, what qualifies you to be able to read/interpret this paper knowledgably?

      The paper clearly states that there is debate ‘whether shaking alone is sufficient to produce brain injury and mortality or whether an additional head impact is required’, it goes on to say that this paper is an ‘attempt to resolve this question’. The paper also explains how their findings are evidence that a head impact is not always required to result in death. Something that is obviously (common sense anyone) of critical importance in court. Helen, you make it sound as if the researchers where just curious as to whether shaking a baby can cause bad stuff to happen, when obviously a superficial read of the paper makes it clear that they are attempting to (a) provide evidence that shaking alone can cause death (something that the jury is still out on), and (b) provide in-depth diagnostic evidence that can be utilised by pathologists when examining dead babes that are suspected of dyeing due to having been shaken.  Your hyperventilated piece does nothing to convince anyone about the merits, or not, of animal testing, something that is a legitimate debate, but which suffers when opinion pieces like this are published. In short, you are preaching to the choir, rather than offering a reasonable debate in an attempt to put across a reasoned point of view.

    • Michael says:

      10:48am | 16/07/12

      I agree with Terry, the first thing I did when reading this article is look for the link to the actual article, so I could judge the merits of the research for myself. Having actually filled out some animal ethics papers, I can say that its not exactly what you call an easy process. I even got my first submission rejected because I had not adequately showed what the purpose of the research was.

      Additionally, I had an email from this very group, in my current role as a teacher asking me to list the use of animals in my teaching and the justification of it. I responded to it, but more out of a desire to get them off my back and get on in the real world, but did enquire amongst my higher ups the necessity of actually responding to Humane Research Australia.

    • kitteh says:

      02:13pm | 16/07/12

      Terry, standing ovation. As a Ph.D qualified scientist (who, I might add, is involved with several animal welfare charities) myself, I examined the paper and didn’t find evidence of ethical breach or academic misconduct. I also wonder why Helen Marston apparently wasn’t taught (or, more likely, is deliberately omiiting from this piece) the importance of independent reproduction of results to the verification of scientific theory (especially, as other posters have pointed out, for a legally weighted subject such as brain injury). Animal welfare is vitally important to the scientific community, and this kind of debtate is essential - when conducted with openness and honesty on both sides. Marston is far from that here, which I suspect is part of the reason why there wasn’t even a link to the abstracts of the articles.

      I appreciate that scientific theory and process are not exciting subjects for most of the general public. (This is very evident from many of the posts here, which demonstrate startling ignorance of the subject.) However, they are essential to understand how scientific research is conceived, conducted and regulated. If the public made an effort to educate themselves, they wouldn’t be taken in by shrill, selective and ultimately damaging pieces like this one.

    • Samo says:

      02:45pm | 21/07/12

      Dear kitteh,.  “As a Ph.D qualified scientist (who, I might add, is involved with several animal welfare charities) (sic), to me this is a conflict of interest,  supporting some animals while testing on and killing others. Out of interest where do you get animals for your experiments from? This lamb shaking experiment has apparently been done with identical results. ALL experiments should be filmed so as not to need repeating. Lambs are quadrupeds, we are bipeds, so the results will not be accurate from the outset and for many other reasons the results in this experiment will be flawed. Why were monkeys not used? In fact why not use babies to ensure the results are entirely accurate? Unconscionable but accurate. The results required here can be found in possibly every children’s hosptial in the country with accurate data in the form of patient files and police reports and possibly court transcripts add to this computer modelling and you have a complete and accurate picture with no need to use other species which give inaccurate results. Transparency is required in all laboratories to eliminate unnecessary testing and testing which is inherrently sadistic and would be a jailable offence in mainstream society.

    • ME says:

      10:22am | 16/07/12

      I have a really good suggestion. How about lets breed a whole heap of human species specifically for scientific purposes, hide them away in special cells and conduct experiments to prove science.  This couldnt get any closer to the real thing. The brains and various body parts involved wont be similar, they will exactly the freaking same. Then instead of wasting more money on experiments, we will have real answers much sooner than these experiements that just keep going on and on.  Any volunteers? Any more of you modern day Hitlers wanna step up aswell?

    • M says:

      10:34am | 16/07/12

      We’ll start with the old, the infirm, the unemployed and those who watch commercial television. If we ever run out of candidates we’ll have to start using productive members of society, but the results shall justify the means.

    • Baloo says:

      11:49am | 16/07/12

      How do you know it isn’t already happening if these humans are “hidden away in special cells”?
      Dun dun duuun!

    • PonderingLink says:

      08:43pm | 16/07/12

      Hey ME I couldn’t care less about a dead sheep only that the chops would be nice, if you think humans should be used for these types of experiments, well that makes you some kind of monster, as far as trying to get anyone from the greens to volanteer, well their selfishness under qualifies them.

    • Terry says:

      10:22am | 16/07/12

      Helen, I forgot to mention, you could have saved yourself the trouble of having to do more research (and being soooo surprised), the paper you managed to find is actually mentioned in the reference section… maybe, I dunno, the new paper actually answers some of the unanswered questions from the first paper?  Or, shock horror, science relies on the REPEATABILITY of experimental findings…

    • MarkS says:

      10:36am | 16/07/12

      Where is the animal cruelty?  The lambs were all drugged unconscious. Would have been killed for food anyway. But they are so cute the nuff nuffs cry.

      Your extreme animal rights viewpoint is so precious. I am not going to become a vegan or object to sensible & reasonable research.

    • Stephen says:

      11:55am | 16/07/12

      Its called a “slippery slope”, Mark. As in, if this is acceptable behaviour, what’s next? Human experiments.

      Animals are not here for our convenience and to use according to our every curious whim. If you look around, you will notice our society is hardly the paradise we thought it would be, and the human spirit is in decline.

      We need to stop brutalising animals…perhaps then we’ll learn to stop brutalising ourselves.

    • fml says:

      12:13pm | 16/07/12

      Stephen,

      “Its called a “slippery slope”, Mark. As in, if this is acceptable behaviour, what’s next? Human experiments.”

      Not really, they use animals so they do not have to use humans.

    • ibast says:

      12:15pm | 16/07/12

      I agree Mark.  I think people are too quick to throw out the “cruelty” label at times.  It may be argued is was unnecessary, but not cruel.

      @Stephen, “the human spirit is in decline.”

      Really?  Not so long ago they would have done the experiment without the anesthetic.

      I don’t necessarily disagree with sentiment, but it doesn’t’ apply here.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      12:41pm | 16/07/12

      “the human spirit is in decline.”

      I guess our high point was vivisection of conscious dogs to watch the blood go round.  This is clearly far worse…

      Now where did I leave my sarcasm tags?

    • M says:

      01:47pm | 16/07/12

      What is the human spirit and can it’s decline be halted by some sort orf government stimulus? Ya know, similar to the housing market or economy. Come on Stephan, you can’t just tell us about the problems without proposing solutions!

    • PonderingLink says:

      08:56pm | 16/07/12

      Stephen, of course animals such as sheep are here for our conveinience we domesticated them, as far as your slippery slope is concerned 30 years ago there was far more animal testing going on than there is now, and the lack of testing on lessor than human spieces’ is what eventually will cause human experimentation, not the other way around.

    • Samo says:

      03:07pm | 21/07/12

      Dear MarkS, I find being personally offensive or abusive is not productive nor intelligent but as the rest of us, you are of course entitled to your opinion. I do not agree with animal experiments because of the cruelty aspect and for the danger the inaccurate results pose to us. I am certainly not crying and am actually not aware of what a ‘nuff nuff’ is despite it seeming like a disparaging term. Because others have a different opinion to you is not a reason to put them down even if that is what you believe. It is a damning indictment on us that we condone sadistic cruelty in labs when the results will be inaccurate and may hurt us. Experiments such as setting fire to dogs to see how long they take to go into shock and die to me is a jailable offence and I cannot see how this will benefit any people as dogs are not physically the same as us. The are thousands more experiments like this being done in many countries. They do not benefit us and are wasting valuable research dollars not to mention are sadistically cruel and for no good reason. I try to be objective in my view but cannot for experiments like these.

    • Jane Wilson says:

      08:59am | 20/08/12

      And of course dialogue and disussion around this isue is kept mature and respectful by name calling. It doesn’t contribute to a very serious debate when adults are calling other adults nuff nuffs.

    • Bear says:

      10:54am | 16/07/12

      In the scheme of things isn’t the point that the experiments are pointless and therefore a callous disregard for life? We kind of already know the outcome do what’s the bloody point? Just like making rabbits smoke or dissecting things to see if they die without organs. Der!

    • ibast says:

      03:47pm | 16/07/12

      You and I know, but perhaps there is some contradictory evidence out there or some doubt in the methodology of the current evidence.  Think what this means in a court of law.  This doubt could see people getting crimes when they shouldn’t.

      Maybe this research removes that doubt.

    • Jeremy says:

      11:01am | 16/07/12

      Many things you take to be ‘common sense’ turn out to have causes and effects that are not properly understood, or turn out to be surprises. To make effective policy and choices it is important we understand exactly how things happen. Scientist do the hard work to find this information, and they re-test their hypothesis to ensure accuracy in their results. Perhaps the author should take some time understanding basic concepts in scientific method and the benefits of thorough study before she dives into publicly controversial stuff.

    • Samo says:

      04:22pm | 21/07/12

      Jeremy,  Yes cause and effect is fairly basic, but hurting animals under the pretext of helping humans to me is dangerous in so many cases.  Also it sounds like the ‘work’ a sociopath does to hone his or her ‘skills’ to get them right. To get accurate results we need to use the correct items for the job.  This means human beings need human beings parts and bodies for accurate results. Those who find nothing wrong with the terrible torture of animals in the name of science and advancement are of serious concern to me. Many of them are possibly not even aware of what experiments are actually done or on how many different species. The fact that we genetically mutate pigs, baboons and possibly other animals to use their parts in our bodies to me is close to the gravest insanity, allowing diseases to pass between species where it should be impossible. When we are the smartest specie on earth it will be apparent, until then there will be debates and personal abuse like this toward each other with us no closer to helping ourselves effectively.

    • Luthien Nienna says:

      11:43am | 16/07/12

      These scientists must be really stupid if they are spending money and sacrificing more animals to proove something that has been established fact for quite some time now… Couldn’t they be doing something more productive with their time and money?

    • Markus says:

      12:55pm | 16/07/12

      On the contrary, it was the distinct lack of ‘established fact’ that resulted in there being enough doubt for a judge to not charge a mother for manslaughter.

      Had there already been actual scientific evidence to support what the writer refers to as ‘common sense’, there would have been no need for this testing in the first place.

    • James says:

      11:46am | 16/07/12

      We should always treat with caution a viewpoint that is epoused by someone who isn’t similarly qualified in a specific field of science.

      Here is the abstract from the cited study, which is relatively easy to understand (in terms of ‘why test it?’, and the results):

      Abstract
      “Non-accidental head injury (NAHI), also termed the “shaken baby syndrome”, is a major cause of death and severe neurological dysfunction in children under three years of age, but it is debated whether shaking alone is sufficient to produce brain injury and mortality or whether an additional head impact is required. In an attempt to resolve this question, we used a lamb model of NAHI since these animals have a relatively large gyrencephalic brain and weak neck muscles resembling those of a human infant. Three anaesthetised lambs of lower body weight than others in the experimental group died unexpectedly after being shaken, proving that shaking alone can be lethal. In these lambs, axonal injury, neuronal reaction and albumin extravasation were widely distributed in the hemispheric white matter, brainstem and at the craniocervical junction, and of much greater magnitude than in higher body weight lambs which did not die. Moreover, in the eyes of these shaken lambs, there was damage to retinal inner nuclear layer neurons, mild, patchy ganglion cell axonal injury, widespread Muller glial reaction, and uveal albumin extravasation. This study proved that shaking of a subset of lambs can result in death, without an additional head impact being required.”

      If you want any other reasons for why we should try to further understand brain injuries through tests like this, look up “Tom Kelly” and “Kings Cross”, or “Craig Field” and “Kingscliff”, or visit our taxpayer funded television channel’s “Four Corners” program, for ‘Hard Knocks’.  And those are just adults…

    • Teresa says:

      11:56am | 16/07/12

      I think the fact that there are some people on this forum who are actually in favour of this research goes to show how unethical and unscrupulous animal researchers can be.

    • Jason Todd says:

      12:04pm | 16/07/12

      Teresa -
      Where do YOU draw the line?
      Obviously we aren’t going to use human babies to do research that may be fatal to human babies.

      Testing on animals, while not always preferred, may provide useful results that are translatable to people.

      I’m not in favour of the out and out slaughter of animals for no reason, but by the same token, I realise that I would rather we use an animal than let people die.

      Just because the author believes that the study was useless, does not mean that it was. To my knowledge, she is not a scientist.

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      12:08pm | 16/07/12

      “how on earth did two separate animal ethics committees sanction this experiment”
      perhaps they know something you do not.  You have presented us with one side of the story, it would be prudent to hear the reasoning behind the decision of the animal ethics commissions before forming an opinion.  Did the Author bother to find this out?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:27pm | 16/07/12

      Your picture is most provocative.
      Which of the two will become the burnt offering to God?
      Which one will have its leg cooked for Sunday dinner after having consumed the body and blood of Christ?
      Which one was saved from Abrahams alter to substitute for the other?

    • Eleanor says:

      01:04pm | 16/07/12

      “Animal experimentation is not just about cruelty to animals; it’s about wasting precious resources which would be better spent on human-specific research relevant to real medical progress.”

      So…let me get this straight. You’d prefer it if human test subjects were used instead?

      ?_?

      ?_?  ?_?  ?_?  ?_?

    • Stephanie says:

      01:15pm | 16/07/12

      @ Dieter…..Burnt offerings to God…..substituted on altars in place of humans…..more reasons religion was created to justify the ego of humankind!

    • Andrew says:

      01:17pm | 16/07/12

      It was done humanely so what is the problem, I do agree that animal experimentation should only be done for a good reason but surely the people okaying the experiment have more idea about what is worthy of experimentation then we do. Animal experimentation has saved millions of lives, so its a neccesary evil. How is is any different to killing animals at the abbotoirs, or giving rabbita myxto, or killing foxes with 1040 poison, or legally shooting animals because they are pests, and many other legal ways of killing animals that are considered pests. The difference here is that lambs are considered cute while the others are considerd pests, so who cares. At least the death of the animals used in experiments might actually lead to some useful info that made help save lives or better understand why things die.

    • The Old Man says:

      02:52pm | 16/07/12

      Helen
      So I take it you want to volunteer yourself for the next round of such test? Or was it that you were going to volunteer your own children?
      I once worked at a government research station. We had to go through various hoops to get permission from the Ethics Board before we were granted permission to conduct tests.

      One final point, apart from such electorates as Melbourne, how many electorates would this issue be seen to be a vote changer?

    • Get Real says:

      03:47pm | 16/07/12

      Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is:  “Because the animals are like us.”  Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is:  “Because the animals are not like us.”  Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction.  - Charles R. Magel.

    • Nick says:

      04:35pm | 16/07/12

      Why is it a logical failure to recognise that things can be alike in one sense and different in another?

      Is a blue square the same as a blue circle?  I’d say no, they’re both blue but they’re different shapes.  Where’s the logical failure?

    • Get Real says:

      07:09pm | 16/07/12

      Nick, so basically you’re saying the square and circle are just different shapes, so what if humans and animals are just different bodies? When it comes to pain and suffering and wanting to live we are both the same.

    • Nick says:

      08:27pm | 16/07/12

      The square and the circle are a simple model designed to illustrate that Magel is mistaken.  That there is no a priori logical contradiction in stating that animals are like us in some ways and different in others.

      If you find shapes confusing perhaps we can consider whether a yellow square is the same as a blue square - I would say no, they are the same shape but different colours.  Where’s the logical contradiction?

    • Get Real says:

      02:32pm | 17/07/12

      Humans and animals are more alike than not, simple. The big difference being they are totally innocent, defenseless and are at our mercy and so if we abuse that (like in that experiment) we are immoral and animals are not. Another difference for you.

    • L says:

      04:09pm | 16/07/12

      You are an investment banker with a certificate in “animal welfare” and you know better than a committee of PhD (to get there takes 7 or 8 years of study at least) qualified scientists about the internal workings of animals, which animal research is relevant to humans and how to conduct this research.
      Yep, makes sense to me! Maybe I should take my arts degree and start treating people with cancer and Bob Katter can be the director of the CSIRO. Sounds awesome!
      We all know those scientists have some dirty hidden agenda anyway right? They aren’t actually working ridiculous hours for low pay to like, help people and make treatments for illnesses better.
      I look forward to seeing you volunteer your life to have drugs tested on you, rather than animals.

    • curehumansnotmice says:

      04:17pm | 16/07/12

      Needless to say no childs life is saved by this experiment. The epidemiological (human) evidence already supported the plain common sense view that you do not shake babies vigorously and that doing so will harm or kill the child. If the same had not occurred in lambs the ‘researchers’ would have used other species until they found one in which death occurred as they already knew this to be true in humans. No doubt they will now claim to have ‘proved’ this via these apalling ‘experiments’.

    • Kassandra says:

      04:24pm | 16/07/12

      Hmm .. my post looks like it was shaken by the neck until it died. Didn’t like it guys?

    • Teresa says:

      06:09pm | 16/07/12

      It seems to me that the more ‘scientifically-qualified’ the posters here are, the more ruthless and unscrupulous they seem to be. Do these supposed scientists have no morals? It is perhaps a case of not seeing the woods for the trees.

    • kitteh says:

      06:41pm | 16/07/12

      What ‘supposed’ scientists usually have, in addition to a strong sense of ethics, is education, experience in the field and a unique perspective on disease and injury, all of which are at least as valuable as hysterically overblown and ignorant generalisations. Last I checked, ‘ethics’ isn’t defined as ‘agreeing with Teresa’.

    • Sharon says:

      06:14pm | 16/07/12

      Well said Helen!  This kind of research is ridiculously unnecessary, cruel and wasteful. As for comments by some re so-called ethics committees, unfortunately it is well known that these committees are dominated by “yes” people. Sadly the minority of truly ethical compassionate people who do manage to get appointed to these committeesand dare oppose this kind of inane research are always outnumbered.

      “Vivisection is a social evil because if it advances human knowledge, it does so at the expense of human character.”  ~George Bernard Shaw

    • PonderingLink says:

      10:01am | 17/07/12

      “Two all beef patty special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun” ~Ronald MacDonald

    • stephen says:

      07:31pm | 16/07/12

      I’ll bet the Lawyers were behind it, just so’s in Court they can determine whether a party can be found guilty or not for murder, from shaking.

      Not medical experiments then, but Public Service know-how.

    • end the experiments. says:

      09:50pm | 16/07/12

      Regulate the scientists.

    • Natalie says:

      10:25pm | 16/07/12

      This is absolutely beyond comprehension.  It makes me so angry.  Great article and I’m glad these issues are being discussed in the public arena.  Of the ethics committees, I ask, if it’s god enough to pass as an experiment on lambs then shouldn’t it be ethical and safe enough to do on human babies?  ALL life is the same.  ALL animals experience the same things and unless you are prepared to conduct the research on humans you should NOT be conducting it on other animals.  We should not value one life above another.  ALL animal experimentation needs to stop, NOW!

    • Stone age liberal says:

      04:55pm | 17/07/12

      really Natalie, All life is the same, so do you use anti-biotics, how about bug spray? Are single cell organisms important, do you revive the ants you crush as you walk. Would you kill a snake to save your child? I feel for you, you must live in constant guilt over all the life, which is all equal you destroy on a daily basis.  Are you ready to be locked up for murder now?

    • Natalie says:

      10:25pm | 16/07/12

      This is absolutely beyond comprehension.  It makes me so angry.  Great article and I’m glad these issues are being discussed in the public arena.  Of the ethics committees, I ask, if it’s god enough to pass as an experiment on lambs then shouldn’t it be ethical and safe enough to do on human babies?  ALL life is the same.  ALL animals experience the same things and unless you are prepared to conduct the research on humans you should NOT be conducting it on other animals.  We should not value one life above another.  ALL animal experimentation needs to stop, NOW!

    • emel says:

      08:53am | 17/07/12

      In no possible way is it ethical to conduct research like this. Nothing justifies the brutality and nothing is gained.
      Consider the legal or scientific counter to these findings:
      ‘These tests may conclude that shaking alone is sufficient to cause death, but I contend that these tests were conducted on sheep and as such do not constitute an acurate representation of the human experience.’
      The basis for using sheep is ;    -due to the large brain structure and weak neck muscles to simulate a human baby.
      Another unsaid reason is that ” people (including us) would be horrified if we used dogs or gorillas or dolphins.”
      They used sheep because it would get past the ‘ethics’ committee and hopefully not horrify too many people thus jeopardising future grants etc.
      I am not against all animal testing.
      I am against cruelty in the name of proving the bleeding obvious.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      03:19pm | 17/07/12

      Our National Health and Medical Research Council and I suspect, every other similar official body makes it illegal to base advice relating to human drug effectiveness or nutritional effectiveness of anything if the only data you have is from animal tests. Suppose for example, you had a side show ride which shook children rather violently and you wanted to say it was safe based on testing using lambs. It would be illegal to market the ride as safe if that was the only data you had.  So most animal testing is either basic science or merely a prelude to human testing. Is this research a prelude to shaking human babies? I suspect not. So NHMRC wouldn’t allow recommendations based on it. Would a court? Not if properly informed.

    • james thomson says:

      06:50pm | 17/07/12

      My father is illiterate so imagine what I made of Adelaide Uni? I’m not so proud of that now.

    • Matt Tidswell says:

      09:55pm | 17/07/12

      Well said Helen….I cannot even fathom how these “professionals” could come up with such a disgusting experiment, let alone have it funded by Adelaide University.

    • Francoise Dupen says:

      10:16pm | 17/07/12

      This is bloody apalling. We have supposedly the most intelligent people in our society - scientists, carrying out these sorts of barbaric and cruel experiments. I agree with a previous writer. How an earth could any remotely intelligent person have been involved in this - to prove if you shake a baby there could be serious conseuqences. Hello isn’t that bloody obvious?  Is this type of experimentation worth shriking our own civility and humanity for. This absolutely DISGUSTS me. I am fed up with the fact that our society is moving so slowly on these moral and ethical issues. I a also copletely disgusted that it is the very hard earned taxes I pay being used to fund this completely unnecessary and barbaric work. I think as tax payers we should have a very big say in whether or not we are willing to fund this type of rubbish. As for person who said they don’t give a damb about dead lambs - the way a society treats its most vulnerable is a true reflection of that society’s soul and character. Adelaide University - you are an absolute disgrace!!!!

    • Lily T says:

      06:07pm | 18/07/12

      This “experiment” is cruel and unnecessary.  I also very much hope I am never in the presence of anyone who has the will and the ability to shake a defenceless lamb to death for ANY reason.  I don’t consider the humans to be superior to other species, just the most dominant (cruel, violent, selfish and greedy) species.  Shame on Adelaide University!

    • Benevolent Rapscallion says:

      08:30pm | 18/07/12

      Er… is Blumbegs actually meant to be Blumbergs? Is Manaris meant to be Manavis? Are you sure it was a different animal ethics committee?

    • http://advenet.com/mydiablo3/blog/default.aspx says:

      08:46am | 09/08/12

      It’s appropriate time to make some plans for the future and it is time to be happy. I’ve read this post and if I could I wish to suggest you some interesting things or advice. Perhaps you could write next articles referring to this article. I wish to read more things about it!

    • Haze says:

      01:15am | 16/08/12

      Besides, who in their right mind could hold a little lamb and shake the living day light out of it! Stop all animal research NOW

 

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