It is not the done thing for one reporter to quote vast slabs of another reporter’s work. There’s one’s own ego to think of, not to mention copyright.

More honest than your average politician - John Elferink. Picture: Brad Fleet

But Darwin ABC’s morning presenter, Julia Christensen, has given her blessing to The Punch to reproduce great slabs of her interview with the Country Liberals’ member for Port Darwin, John Elferink, conducted on local radio yesterday morning.

We do this as a public service. Chances are that never in your life will you have heard such a bizarre set of admissions from a public figure. Unless you were listening when the Elf, as he is known up here in the Northern Territory, last turned up on radio.

The context is this: a debate in the Territory parliament on proposed alcohol-control laws – which the Elf reckons won’t work. The Elf told the House on Tuesday night that he’d had his first drink when he was five - and only came to his senses many years later when he fell out of an air-conditioning vent at the Darwin casino.

The Elf is a troubled but likeable soul. He never lies – but he does confess. He is a former NT copper who crossed into right-wing politics. That’s often enough to set off alarm bells, but the Elf is cool. Sort of.

He’s never been never tarnished by allegations of hatefulness or corruption – though we do recall the allegations of him pork-barrelling central Australian Aboriginal constituents with frozen kangaroo tails. (Denied, of course.)

For those who don’t know the Elf, imagine a Roman senator parading in the far-north sweatshop: decent, logical, dignified, robust – and given to talking to his horse.

Christensen: Tell me firstly about your drinking history. I mean, you know, a lot of us starting drinking when we were reasonably young, but five is very young.

The Elf: Oh, look, I believe that, as unlikely as it’ll sound to many of your listeners, I had a predisposition to become an addict or an alcoholic or whatever from day one. I remember one very distinct thing about that occasion, in fact I remember the occasion very well, I saw it almost as a rite of passage. But, the thing I remember is that I looked to that small amount of Carlton Draught in the bottom of that plastic cup as something that was going to change me.

I was already at that age conscious enough to be insecure about who I was and already having those preliminary feelings of isolation in life, those sorts of things. As my drinking progressed through my young teens, the binge-drinking started. I stole often to support my liquor habit, no problem there, and, as a consequence of that, you end up going to a place, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, which is a very dark and ugly place to be.

By the time I was 21, hallucinations had been visited upon me, I had the delirium tremors, and, on occasion, I would find myself standing in front of a toilet bowl, asking myself which end to I point at the toilet bowl first. And I know it’s a bit graphic, but it was an ugly place to be. What was worse was the perpetual feeling of guilt and remorse in amongst a seething resentment against the world. Finally, that calamitous night back in 1986 where I made a complete fool of myself at the casino.

Christensen: How did you end up in an air-conditioning vent?

The Elf: It’s a little bit chequered, but I was wearing a pair of shorts and singlet when they finally, sort of, found me. So, I’d obviously come in from outside, I’d found some way into the building and, basically, was crawling around in the air-conditioning ducts. I was in such a bad state that the casino didn’t even proffer charges.

I mean, there would have been some trespass charges and those sorts of things they could have flowed from it. But, what I was confronted with was you have to become responsible for yourself, John, you have to deal with these issues, and I was a mess.

I think that if a doctor had seen me at that point he may well have determined it was some sort of psychotic episode, I would say that that’s possibly fair because of the condition I was in.

Christensen: But it was actually a police officer that provided the jolt, if you like, wasn’t it?

The Elf: Oh, look, whilst I was very, very fortunate, there were several people who I was working with, police officers, who pulled me aside and said, “You are kidding, sunshine, if you think this job is going to last 10 minutes longer with your attitudes”.

Christensen: You were in the police at the time?

The Elf: Yes, I was. I joined as a police cadet. I basically fudged my way through the entrance process and it became a regular source of income, which then supplied a liquor habit and I drank for one reason only, to get drunk, to get wasted, to become something else and so when I was finally confronted with the enormity of what I was and what I was becoming and where I was headed, it was a horrible, ugly place to be.

But, I realised at that point - and realise to this day - is that government couldn’t fix it. If I’d determined at that point that there was no problem and, you know, it was all the rest of the world’s fault, then there’s nothing that government could have done to stop that. The current government’s policies are aimed at trying to tell these people, “You’re actually a victim, there’s something wrong with you and it’s somebody else’s fault.”

My childhood details are matter of public note nowadays [he was sexually assaulted by an employee when he was a teenager], none of that’s a secret, I could blame that and people would all sit around and say, “Oh, yes, it’s poor dreadful John. He went though all those dreadful things in his childhood.”

The fact is that, whether it’s fair or not isn’t the issue, it’s what am I going to do about it? By telling these people that it’s somebody else’s fault, you’re actually giving them excuses to continue with the same conduct and that’s essentially where the Government’s policy is going.

We have to start confronting drunks, particularly those regular drunks, the ones that we see in our parks and gardens, with the conduct that they’re engaged in and saying to them “The buck stops with you, mate, it’s up to you to start fixing these problems. We’ll help you, if you decide to do it, but we’re not going to sit there and champion your cause and tell you that you’re a victim.”

Christensen: That is an incredible story that you’ve just told us and very revealing. But, aren’t you basically telling us that you did see yourself as a victim through your childhood circumstances?

The Elf: Ah, yes, in many respects I was a victim. I was a victim of a profound sexual assault, that’s not anything new, when I was a child, that’s well know, it’s well established, the fellow responsible for that’s gone to jail, he’s served his time.

But, the point is, is that that can either become an excuse to sustain my bad behaviour, let’s say I continued drinking and continued to drink to this day and I was sitting in a park somewhere and still saying “Oh, it’s not fair that 35 years ago or 30 years ago I was sexually assaulted as a child.”

The causal link is now so remote that it doesn’t really make sense; it’s just an excuse to continue conduct. The fact is that if I’m drinking, I picked up that drink that day, and that’s my responsibility, not some paedophile from 30 years ago.

Christensen: But, there was somebody there to say to you “This has got to stop, sunshine.”

The Elf: Yep.

Christensen: Does the community need to take that responsibility, to some extent?

The Elf: Well, that’s what the Country Liberals are advocating—-

Unfortunately, that’s where we have to leave the interview. Certainly, thereafter it goes into the important bits about what the debate is all about, but if you want to learn about that, check Hansard from Tuesday, in the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly.

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    • pete says:

      06:42am | 28/10/10

      Wow, a strange but courageous man, I congratulate him on seeing himself so honestly.  Something the overwhelming majority of us fail to do

    • Old Clive says:

      06:48am | 28/10/10

      It would be interesting to know just what sort of family life would allow a person as young as five to think the way he did and allow access to drink beer from a plastic cup.

    • MarK says:

      09:32am | 28/10/10

      Probably similar to mine.

      Normal mum and dad. Middle class not rich not poor. A typical Aussie family. Pass us in the street every day and not give us a 2nd look.

      Absolutely normal on all respects. Had “drinks” when I was 8 or 10. Progressed from there under my own steam. It was in my genes or my brain pattern. Would have happened regardless of home life.

    • Gregg says:

      10:21am | 28/10/10

      That’s about right MarK,
      Was never a huge drinker myself with just a couple of over done it hallucinatory occasions but at the drive in [ not the bottle shop ] on one occasion and young daughter was a wee bit restless, it being a warm night and having taken some coldies along I suggested to missus that just a little sip from Dad’s can could help her nod off.
      It had the reverse effect and she became a real chatterbox.
      She never became addicted though and always very sensible re grog.

    • Ella says:

      10:23am | 28/10/10

      Unfortunately, more than you know. I have vague memories of being at a party given at my grandparents house when I was 5-6 and going round and drinking the dregs from the glasses people had put down. I was totally wasted before anyone even had any idea what I was up to. And I had the sort of family life most people would consider fairly decent

    • Old Clive says:

      10:44am | 28/10/10

      My parents seperated during World War 2 when I was 9 years of age, I joined the Navy at 17 years of age and was an alcohlic at 23 but never realised it until I was 49 years of age, when I went to an AA meeting 9 years after I gave up drinking, my story was the same as theirs. Now I am getting called a wowser because I don’t touch any booze. I missed having a father because of World War 2.

    • James1 says:

      01:58pm | 28/10/10

      So true MarK.  I have seen similar things in welfare dependant families, and I have seen the same in middle class and upper class families.  Some people are just more inclined to take to the drink (or valium or marijuana or whatever else) than others.

      That said, we are all ultimately responsible for what we do, and the only one who can really change your behaviour is you, as I am sure you know by now.

    • Tom K says:

      07:33am | 28/10/10

      Wonderful piece, Paul. Thanks for passing it on to us, and thanks to the ABC’s Julia Christensen for allowing you to use it. I like a drink, but I like an honest politician like the Elf even more. Perhaps every pub should have a Christmas tree, with an Elf like him underneath it to offer sage advice. Cheers.

    • Joolz says:

      08:14am | 28/10/10

      I read A Million Little Pieces and this is remarkably similar to that story.

      He’s a great man for being so open about his problem and the experiences he’s been through. I know I could never be that open if that had happened to me.

      And clive: my dad let me have sips of his beer. Do you think that’s any different? But whereas the Elf went on to become a problem drinker, I now associate the smell of XXXX with my dad. It’s the difference between having the genetic predisposition to an addiction or not.

      That said, I think everyone has the capacity to become an addict in some way or another. It’s just about how we regulate ourselves - as the Elf said.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:04am | 28/10/10

      Agreed Joolz. My old man, like I suspect many Australian Dads did over the years, would always let me have a swig from his beer growing up as a kid. I have a faded old pic of me as a toddler wearing my grandfathers hat and swigging from his can of Resches Pilsiner on their frontlawn in about 1975. I think many of us blokes have similar memories. I never grew up to be an alcho, nor did the majority of us. My parents were and still are big drinkers, I like a beer or three but with work, the kids etc I don’t drink much any more. I don’t give my kids a sip of my beer when I do have one either. I think that time has gone from our culture, mostly. I agree with you that I think you need a genetic disposition to it and its not just because you had a few sips of beer as a kid.

    • KH says:

      12:09pm | 28/10/10

      @realist - yes, I remember that story about a ‘million little pieces’ - the author was on Oprah and everything, but then his book was exposed as a load of bollocks…........

      this guy is the real thing…......

    • Zeta says:

      08:54am | 28/10/10

      I hope someone reads that transcript in the Federal Liberal Party’s caucus meeting this morning. I think conservatives everywhere need to be reminded somewhere, out there, one of them still thinks and acts like a genuine Liberal.

    • null says:

      08:58am | 28/10/10

      WOW - Appoint this guy to federal parliament asap.  The individual as being powerful enough to be responsible to change their own situation?  that proposition would completely send some from the centralised centre of canberra into a series of deep chills.  However, I think we can all conclude the victim focused assistance method has been an abject failure in every area it has been tried

    • Graeme says:

      09:10am | 28/10/10

      A.A. works. If you work the 12 Steps with The Lord… you can get set free.

    • Nicole says:

      09:50am | 28/10/10

      Perhaps for some. My brother lost his licence for DD and he was ordered to AA (many years ago). You know what he used to do? Drive there half pissed ! What an idiot. I haven’t spoken to him for years, but I know he’s lost it many times for DD.

    • MarK says:

      11:09am | 28/10/10

      Sorry to hear that he was ordered there Nicole.

      That’s the problem and from my experience in AA anyone that “had” to go was nearly lost from the start.

      It is exactly what Elf and I agree on actually. Your brother still hadn’t taken responsibility for his actions. Hell DUI and alcoholism are not synonymous.

      I only ever drove drunk once. Blind drunk too. When I was 19. Never did it again. Ever. Doesn’t make me a good person or smart as the next decade plus was spent half cut 24/7 - that was a choice just like the choice not to drive pissed.

      The judge in your brothers case was misguided and does not understand AA at all. AA doesn’t stop you drinking. It will provide a support network and a plan to assist you to stop if that is your choice.

      Nothing can stop an alcoholic drinking except themselves. And not all alcoholics drive drunk. Generalisations like that are so funny. We don’t all hang out in the gutter drinking flagons or in the Russian politburo getting smashed on vodka. Charlie Sheen and Lilo are merely memes and not indicative of the garden variety alcoholic.

      A very poor judge that and probably did your brother more harm than good.

      Also a reason why AA gets a bad name unfortunately.

    • Nicole says:

      11:34am | 28/10/10

      I agree with you 200% MarK. He had absolutely no intention of giving up the grog, so it was a really stupid ‘punishment’. And how correct you are in saying it’s up to the individual to want to give up and seek help. It was just a waste of time for the people trying to offer support, because he didn’t want it, he was there purely because he had to be.

    • Ben says:

      04:03pm | 28/10/10

      Except that the success rate for people who try to quit using AA is exactly the same as those who try to quit on their own or other means.
      The ability to quit is down to the determination and willpower of the individual, not by admitting that your alcoholism is a disease and God is the cure.

    • Rebecca says:

      11:22pm | 28/10/10

      I love a drink, and started young.  Thankfully (no offence meant) I didn’t develop into full blown alcoholism - though there were periods that seemed a little too close to people close to me.
      I’m not sure I’m sold on the whole AA thing though.  Sure, if it provides the support and direction to help with the addiction, thats awesome.
      I think my real problem is that it doesn’t teach - the idea that it forces you down the road to teetotaller / complete abstinence, and if you fail, you pick up, start again - it just doesn’t sit right with me.  I’d prefer it if we (as humans) could learn to drink responsibly, and not use alcohol as a crutch for other issues.  I am willing to accept that there are some that couldn’t ever manage that (it just saddens me) - there indeed may be some dependency in the human brain that I don’t know about (I don’t know everything - though I’d love to - and to be honest, I haven’t researched it yet).
      I loved the comment about GOD standing for ‘Group Of Drunks’ though - its the only way I would even consider following the aforementioned ‘12 steps’.
      In amongst all this - I do wish we had more federal parliamentarians like him - willing to be honest about himself, his mistakes, and how he came back from that.  Shining example to others in similar positions.

    • Chris McGrath says:

      01:54pm | 30/10/10

      What has the lord to do with it? Either a person has the willpower to do it or hasent.  Praying to a non-existant Lord dosent work, thats passing the buck, Jesus dies on the cross to save the word we are told. Hasent done much of a job has he?

    • MarK says:

      09:28am | 28/10/10

      Remarkably similar to my own “story” or whatever you want to call it,

      Good on him. He speaks wjat I have come to realise is the truth.

      Also don’t believe that AA relies on religion. Just a nudge at Graeme that it is agnostic in a sense. Yes there is the “higher power” that can help you but that does not necessarily mean a christian God. I was terrified of AA for a number of years because of the “belief” I had it was a deeply religious movement. It isn’t. It is what it is and one of the more tolerant places on the planet is an AA meeting.

      Good piece. Sounds like a nice bloke. Would love to have a drink (of coke) with him one day. Think we would get on well.

      I would love to hear his take on Australian culture actually. I reckon we would have some common ground there.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:02am | 28/10/10

      Good on you Mark. I would never have known and I find it a big thing that you don’t attempt to link every good and bad think in your life to your dependency and your recovery. It takes a courageous person to admit that they have a problem and seek assistance in bettering their life. What I don’t agree with is when it becomes an excuse and there are far too many people out there who use their problems as a fall back (I guess we are all guilty of it to lesser extents though in every day life, but I am sure you know what I mean). I have a huge amount of respect for people like you and Elf - personal accountability hardly exists in today’s society and I commend you for your outlook on life.

    • MarK says:

      10:54am | 28/10/10

      It only took 25 years of ahrd drinking fairsfair….just goes to prove how stupid I was and not the reverse.

      I never really talk about in a good or bad way to be honest. It just happened that is all. It was my fault. I had no trigger really. I just liked getting drunk /shrug. That is what it boils down to in the end. You like drinking plain and simple.

      Only person to blame is yourself. I was lucky enough to kick myself in the arse. Others might need a nudge from outside but if I didn’t decide I wanted to stop there is no power on heaven, earth or in that virtual reality of the welfare system that could have made me or would have helped me.

      It is amazing how you can be an idiot for so long to be honest. Surreal when you wake up to the fact.

      Epiphanies really happen.

    • Joe says:

      02:09pm | 28/10/10

      My old man was having a ciggie after one of his first AA meetings and expressed his reservations about the whole God aspect.  One of the other blokes told him that GOD stands for Group Of Drunks.  That was good enough for Dad.

    • Tim says:

      09:50am | 28/10/10

      Awesome.
      That’s what being a Liberal is all about.
      Far too many people today want to blame anyone and everyone for their own predicament in life. Everone that is, except themselves.

    • Old Salt says:

      09:51am | 28/10/10

      What a great article, what a great person.  Personal responsibility is big cause of mine, taking responsibility for everything you do is important to lead a normal (not necessarily better) life.  By making out to be a victim its easy to point the finger and blame everyone else for you issues, but taking responsibility, while its harder in the first instance, makes life easier to manage.  I have been through things in my past (not anywhere near as bad as the Elf) and accepting that they have happened and moving on has made things so much better.  Elf for PM!!!

    • Pauline says:

      10:18am | 28/10/10

      An honest man, courageous enough to change himself first.  Good on ya.  THIS man is a true hero and should be lauded and held up as a shining example that just because bad things happen, doesn’t mean you have to let them define you.

      Good on you, Elf.  Much success and happiness to you.

    • Vicki PS says:

      12:33pm | 28/10/10

      Thanks to John Elferink and Julia Christensen for allowing the interview to be reproduced.  As a 10 years sober alcohol addict, I appreciate the point he makes so well—the difference between causes and excuses.  I come from a family with a predisposition to alcohol addiction, but until I was into my late teens my parents only had a drink at Christmas, so I can’t blame childhood exposure to alcohol.  I was an unhappy person most of my adult life, for reasons relating to both upbringing and a familial tendency to depressive illness.  That certainly contributed to my continuing to drink:  I convinced myself I’d never cope with the rigours of facing life sober.  But as Mr Elferink said, “what was worse was the perpetual feeling of guilt and remorse in amongst a seething resentment against the world”.

      Fortunately, the lightbulb finally clicked on and I accepted that I could, indeed, stop.  So I did.  Getting sober didn’t take away the burdens I carried but it helped immeasurably in enabling me to deal with them in a constructive way and move on.  It sounds like trivialising a complex problem, but at the individual, personal level it really is as simple as just stopping.

    • stephen says:

      01:13pm | 28/10/10

      Sometimes when I haven’t had a beer for, say 4 weeks, and then I take a sip, it reminds me of my early youth, and then I start all over again !
      (Great life, and it reminds me of a movie I once saw…)

    • Reg says:

      01:44pm | 28/10/10

      After suffering repeated sexual assault as a 12 year old and with the guilt and fear of it hanging over my head, I decided very early that in all things that really matter in life, we are alone and have to survive under our own resources. 30+ years of keeping that secret served to convince me that I was right. This man’s story confirms it afresh.

    • not Sue says:

      02:52pm | 28/10/10

      Oh Reg, that makes me sad. Keeping secret the suffering you endured only delays the eventual complete release of that suffering.
      That is is say,  I agree completely that although we may not be able to control things that happened to us as children or in our earlier life we certainly can control our response to them, and casting ourselves in the perpetual victim role only prolongs our imprisonment to those events.
      One of the ways we deliver ourselves from slavery to our past is by sharing that experience,as The Elf has done so bravely here. He is finally completely free. His alcoholism was a dysfunctional response to his genes and experience. His acceptance of his personal responsiblity for the choices he made, the way he processed his life, is so profound. I hope by your choice today to share your story of events that were not your fault helps to relieve the burden you have carried alone for so long.

    • dancan says:

      02:47pm | 28/10/10

      I’d vote for this guy for PM over Julia and Abott

    • Path says:

      03:23pm | 28/10/10

      Jon Elferink - “decent, logical, dignified, robust – and given to talking to his horse”.  I love it, you got him to a tee.

    • se says:

      03:36pm | 28/10/10

      I think judges & juries need to read this piece. Having a troubled childhood is being used as a ‘get out jail free card’ for all sorts of offences. Having a difficult upbringing doesn’t preclude someone from knowing right from wrong.
      John Elferink makes a good point that whatever has happened in the past, going forward you are still free to make choices. No one I know has had a perfect childhood but we all ended up being ‘responsible’ adults because of the choices we made & continue to make despite depression, etc.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      08:01pm | 28/10/10

      That’s the point that resonated with me the most too.  We all get dealt a hand when we’re growing up.  Some of us get a royal flush and some are 9 high, but we have to make the most of what we’ve got.  I had a difficult childhood with a broken marriage and a parent in psychiatric care for many years as a result, but you can choose to let it be an excuse, use it as a motivation or just get on with it.  I feel for people in tough situations but we all reach a stage in life where we have the choice to let it dictate the way we live our own lives, but using it as an excuse for our own underachievement, or to put it behind us and learn and grow from it.

      I think you also have to recognise if you have an addictive personality and manage the behaviour that stems from it.  I’m not convince conditions like alcoholism are a disease, but I do agree that some people are more likely to be susceptible to it than others because of the sort of person they are.  Staying away from it is tougher for some than for others but if you know you’re that sort of person, put measures in place to help keep it at bay, get support, know your limits and live around it.

    • Jaimes says:

      05:14pm | 30/10/10

      I was an abused child and spent many miserable hours (weeks, months, years) as a teenager. My wakeup call came from a good friend who made the remark “what happened has ruined the first 16 years of your life, but it’s up to you whether you let it destroy the next 16.”

      Wisest words I ever heard spoken - no matter where you come from, no matter what was done to you, everybody at some point needs to take responsibility for deciding their own future. I’d vote for the Elf any day!

 

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