If the Leaders’ Debate on Sunday night was meant to be an early rehearsal of the battle for the minds of Australian voters, it left online spectators mostly disappointed and divided over the result.

This election worm turned to hard liquor after the debate.

While Channels Nine and Seven relied on their respective squiggly lines to give an instant reaction to the two leaders and journalists passed judgment afterwards, the real debate as to who won or lost the battle for voters’ minds was played out in the flood of comments in cyberspace, particularly to news sites.

Both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott failed to inspire a large proportion of commenters in what many thought was a lacklustre rehearsal for election day.

On balance, Jack of St Marys, NSW, thought Abbott was more convincing than the Prime Minister, writing on SBS Online: “Julia Gillard lost the debate massively. She simply parroted rehearsed slogans. There was nothing from the heart, no passion, no belief, no philosophy. Abbott didn’t necessarily win. He was nervous, but at least he showed what he stood for and managed to talk policy and belief.”

But Ken Jobling of Geelong disagreed: “Tony Abbott was too negative and was unable to give any detail on something as simple as bread and grocery prices. All he could promise was very general aims without any idea of how he would achieve it. It was as though he could not trust himself to give detailed unscripted answers.”

Commenting on Yahoo7, Dwayne thought the debate’s viewers were the biggest losers: “This was no debate. It was a chance for both to keep up the spin that they both keep putting forward. We are the losers.”

John Michael added on news.com.au: “The leaders’ debate was a farce … Not only were the scripted responses laughable, both leaders seemed disingenuous and unenthusiastic. It seems that neither party is trying to actually engage with the Australian voter.”

If there was fairly solid agreement about anything on the night, it was on the “worm”.

Channel Nine’s opinion meter, gauging a selected group’s reaction to every word uttered, has long been controversial and a major feature of the debate. But in the absence of any earth-shattering revelations from the two leaders, it stole even more attention.

Thommo commented on news.com.au: “I turned the debate off after 10 minutes as I kept looking at the worm. That was distracting me rather than listening and analysing what was being said.”

Another reader, Karl, added: “How can that worm possibly act with such speed? Someone please step on it.”

Faith did not think it mattered what the worm showed: “Why do most people need these silly worms to tell them who won the debate? I find it quite insulting and annoying. I am quite capable of making up my own mind.”

For the first time, Channel Nine’s worm and Seven’s rival polliegraph had a split personality along gender lines. Commenters were just as divided in their interpretation of whether this showed women preferred Gillard over Abbott.

Man of Wisdom of Kogarah posted on the Daily Telegraph site: “The only thing to come out of the debate for me (thanks to Channel Seven’s Polliegraph) is that women prefer Labor and men prefer Liberal ... It just goes to prove to me at least that women really must not like budgie smugglers these days and would prefer another back-stabbing Labor puppet in government.”

But Lucy of Melbourne dismissed the gender debate on WA Today: “The suggestion that the candidates’ popularity follows only gender lines seems narrow-minded to me. I watched the worm go up for Abbott as much as Gillard (on Channel Nine at least). And last time I checked I’m female and have every intention of voting for Abbott.”

So will the Leaders’ Debate swing votes on August 21? The impression from most comments is that the two leaders failed to reveal anything new about their policies.

As W. Adams said on the Herald Sun site: “If you were undecided on who to vote for and were looking for policies on major concerns you would be still waiting and no better informed than before the debate.”

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    • Brad Price says:

      01:33pm | 26/07/10

      I was expecting the Female worm to go south as soon as Abbott opened his mouth. Given also that the worm favours the inner city lefties who can drive their battery cars to the studio. It didn’t so i suspect that “women’s” problems with Abbott are more to do with the spin of the Labor Party than fact.

    • DD Ball says:

      01:35pm | 26/07/10

      If I had not seen it, and instead relied on comments, I would think a close debate was boring. The fact is that any debate won handsomely by the Liberals is always cast in such light. The disappointing thing being the ALP are promising nothing new, but to rort it all for their benefit. It doesn’t matter that the Liberal party policy is clear and compelling, the ALP policy is all smoke and mirrors. Mr Abbott spoke honest truth, and Gillard obfuscated and lied .. that is a close debate. I suppose it is to be expected. Rudd had a handsome win on health, and he didn’t even have a working health policy, beyond grabbing 30% GST.

    • Seano says:

      02:01pm | 26/07/10

      30% GST? Where do you guys get this stuff? Crazy.

    • Tex Ranger says:

      02:11pm | 26/07/10

      I think s/he means thirty per cent OF the GST.  In which case, this is correct.

    • Macca says:

      02:30pm | 26/07/10

      @Seano, that is what the Health Reform was, 30% of the states’ GST going directly to health. That was pretty much the entire ‘reform’

    • Seano says:

      05:02pm | 26/07/10

      Ah the silly tone of the rant caused me to mistake this for another bogus Labor GST raise claim.

    • DD Ball says:

      05:53pm | 26/07/10

      Seano, your lone criticism of the rant was to show you couldn’t read. Are you sure you have no other complaint? If not, I must assume you are in complete agreement with me. I apologize for not responding sooner .. I have been out collecting endorsements for my campaign.

    • MarK says:

      08:29pm | 26/07/10

      Don’t you love how if seano “disapproves” of a statement it is a rant.

      So quaint…I get all teary when he says it.

    • Reg says:

      07:55am | 27/07/10

      How fortunate your apologists have come to rescue you from your own obfuscation DD. Of course you would not be into accidental scare tactics would you? Kindly make it clear to all that you are also a Liberal supporter running for election as an Independent.  You should choke each time you use the word obfuscation my dear. Please don’t pretend you are in here to debate.

    • Seano says:

      08:22am | 27/07/10

      @DD - I did point out it was silly too.

      @MarK - “Liberal party policy is clear and compelling, the ALP policy is all smoke and mirrors” - it’s a rant.

    • DD Ball says:

      01:26pm | 27/07/10

      I have apologists now? Can I have an income stream too, and not just live off life savings?

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      02:06pm | 26/07/10

      Firstly it looked to me that Gillard took up about 60% of the total debate time with her long winded pre-prepared answers that usually side stepped the question. “How many times did you warn KRudd” for example - she spent about 5 minutes not answering that question.

      The worm is insulting, its tv stations trying to over power the debate, and should be banned In my opinion.  150 “undecided voters”  how the heck do you police that??
      Laury Oaks calls the debate a win to Abbott yet the worm dictates otherwise, personally I would rather hear Laury Oaks opinion any day as he knows a little more about politics than these 150 undecided voters..

    • Surprised says:

      02:11pm | 26/07/10

      One thing that really amazes me is that Julia Gillard has been getting away with knowingly and persistently lying to the Australian public by saying that her government has been holding discussions with the East Timorese government when in fact all statements from the Timorese government ministers deny that such discussions are taking place at all!

      The Foreign Minister of East Timor has most recently been quoted in an article in The Age saying that no such discussions are taking place between the two governments.

      How long can Julia Gillard be let off the hook for blatantly lying to us on this matter? How long can Julia be allowed to push a lie by riding on the likely fact that most people would be unaware of what the East Timorese government comments denying any of the claims made bu Julia Gillard on this matter.

      How can we possibly trust a PM who is intentionally deceiving us on a matter that is of concern to a lot of Australians in this election campaign?

      I just cannot believe that the public is still falling for her spin, that the media is not doing more to expose this big lie, and that the opposition is not doing all withing it reach to really show that what Julia Gillard is really doing is lying to us all. 

      I am absolutely amazed that Julia Gillard is being allowed to get away with this.

    • Ben says:

      02:27pm | 26/07/10

      Couldn’t agree more. it’s the weak MSM that constantly let us down

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:37pm | 26/07/10

      The same Foreign Minister of East Timor also said no asylum processing centre would ever be built there.  Why do Labor persist with this nonsense?

    • fia says:

      02:15pm | 26/07/10

      Debate?
      Calling it a debate is just another insult to the general public.
      Australians deserve more. Much more.
      All I saw on “show” was Gillrudd’s calm patronising passive aggressive nature on show.  Gillrudd is all spin no substance

    • Swung-voter says:

      02:34pm | 26/07/10

      @ fia
      As opposed to Big Ears succinct response to the price of living question? Can’t the tory cheersquad calm down for two minutes and admit that there is nothing to choose between this election? You’ve got donkeys on both sides, but comments like yours convince me Labor is the lesser evil - at least they don’t have a legion of fans that sound like you and the other rightwing rednecks.

    • fia says:

      03:18pm | 26/07/10

      ahem… Swung-voter,

      I did not mention Abbott nor the Liberals nor am I a member of the so called cheer squad.  My comment was about my OWN observation of what could barely pass as a “debate”.

      If you are searching for a policy that differentiates these two parties.
      Then just go to the question of the cost of living.  Labor and the Greens want carbon taxes or some form of an ETS. This will raise the cost of living on everything that uses electricity or fuel. Do some research on how this has affected the cost of living in NZ where an ETS was only recently introduced. This is perhaps the most important issue of this election. This is why I will NOT vote Labor or Greens.

      And YES, Gillrudd is a master of passive aggressive behavior and it was on show last night.  Stating the obvious hardly qualifies me to be a “rightwing redneck.”

      My comments shouldn’t “sway you” one way or the other. Do your own due diligence on the policies and the ideologies of the political party you are considering voting for and make up your own mind.

    • Rocket Surgeon says:

      03:42pm | 26/07/10

      Couldn’t agree more. I think they think their comment will convince everyone of their inherent righteousness. Couldn’t be more wrong.

    • S.L says:

      03:54pm | 26/07/10

      @ fia. Only commenting on Ms Gillard and making derogitory comments about her performance last night? Then refering to her as Gillrudd? If you’re not in the Abbott cheer squad then I don’t know who is!
      @ Swung-voter. Well done you flushed fia out very well….......

    • Fred says:

      05:10pm | 26/07/10

      @ fia - worst example ever:

      “If you are searching for a policy that differentiates these two parties. Then just go to the question of the cost of living.  Labor and the Greens want carbon taxes or some form of an ETS. This will raise the cost of living on everything that uses electricity or fuel.”

      Did you miss the bit where Abbot is going to raise company tax to businesses like Coles and Woolies… I don’t think Coles and Woolies have enough heart in them to NOT pass on the tax to the customers… through their prices.

    • Swung-voter says:

      05:11pm | 26/07/10

      @ fia

      Well, you’ve just further convinced me that you’re probably carrying a Liberal Party membership card on you somewhere and/or you’re a staffer (actually I’m leaning towards staffer after that last comment).

      Actually, I do see climate change as a point of difference and, for that reason, will certainly not be voting Liberal. I don’t believe an ETS is the way to go, we need a carbon price.

      Unfortunately the Libs outright denial platform doesn’t impress me much so yet more reasons to go with Foolya Julia Gillrudd (or whatever other clever moniker you lot’ve come up with today.)

      Sorry but for every one of these brainless right wing comments I see I’m encouraging another friend to vote left.

    • fia says:

      09:23pm | 26/07/10

      Swung-voter…

      A Liberal staffer bwahahahah. Hilarious.

      I see what’s at play here. 
      Your comments are absolutely typical of someone who points the finger to avoid detection themselves. Sorry to disappoint but I’m working from home and not even close to being a member of the Liberal Party.

      In fact I strongly believe in the false left right paradigm. I reject the left-right lie. Sadly, our political process is a faux democracy thanks to the two major parties. If anything I would support a more Libertarian political viewpoint. And as stated above the main reason I will NOT vote Labor or Greens is the carbon tax / ETS nonsense. And YES Gillrudd is still passive aggressive and all spin.

      Labor are obviously trying very hard to create lots of set up posts such as this to try and swing voters their way. So anyhoo, congrats on your “supposed” emphatic indignation but thou doth protest too much. I think you ‘swung’ some time ago.

    • Swung-voter says:

      09:18am | 27/07/10

      @ fia

      So, you’re completely unbiased, certainly not affiliated with the Libs, but would only ever vote for them because you don’t believe in our democratic model?

      Fair enough. Do continue…

    • jb says:

      02:34pm | 26/07/10

      Any chance of rallying for a Bishop/Swan showdown???
      Now I’d like to see that!

    • Macca says:

      02:49pm | 26/07/10

      @JB, I’d like to see Hockey get involved, especially after his Paris Hilton comments last week, Gold.

      Ideally a Hockey / Tanner debate would be good viewing, but Tanner is on his way out.

      Bob Brown vs Barnaby Joyce would be pretty solid viewing too, a few weird policies thrown about between two men who have significantly differing views on Australia (and a respectable following too).

    • jb says:

      03:28pm | 26/07/10

      Macca you noticed Swan has been iced since that debacle last week in Bris where he was answering her questions and butting in.
      He clearly has no respect for her and whats the bet he is PM within 3 years should they get voted back in…

    • MarK says:

      03:33pm | 26/07/10

      Swan is not allowed to talk for a month.

      After admitting to the $100 million a day debt increase I bet his minders wished he looked at his notes more often which say STFU stupid - just like that.

      Labor is rattled.

    • Macca says:

      04:25pm | 26/07/10

      I tend to agree with MarK, I think Swan has been sin-binned.

      I was going to say he has been told to sit in the corner with the Dunce hat on, but Gillard is no longer the minister for Education

    • Nicole says:

      04:57pm | 26/07/10

      I wish Jooolya would suffer the same fate MarK. Although I’d love not to hear here talk for, well, forever.

    • Nicole says:

      05:38pm | 26/07/10

      That should be her not here. Oops

    • shabangabang says:

      03:06pm | 26/07/10

      Had a look at some clips and TAbbott is a good reader. I thought you stopped using notes during debates in high school. What an incompetent fool. Mind you, at least he didn’t write his notes on his palm, ala his female moniker in America.

    • Macca says:

      03:19pm | 26/07/10

      @Shabang… so you are criticising someone for being nervous?

      Surely the left would have learnt from the experience with Kevin Rudd that the Australian People value some sort of a Human Side to their politicians. John Howard’s walk every morning and his sport tragicness was the perfect example of a pollie pulling on the public’s heartstrings.

      If Gillard continues to act like a robot, the public will continue to assume she is part of the Labor machine

    • MarK says:

      03:30pm | 26/07/10

      Or take his teleprompter to a visit of a local infants schools.

      Get off it shab your bias is shocking. The great orator Obama uses a prompter for everything.

      And you know what.

      So what.

      Childish pointless exercise at attacking the man. I guess when you have nothing left to attack you have to go that. Joolia is not living up to expectations eh shab? Can’t fault Abbotts policies eh?

      I like it how you even managed to get a shot in on Palin too. Very droll. Why abuse two right wingers when you can get the package deal.

      You were shrill in claiming Gillard would wipe the floor with Abbott in the debate. Well that sort of malfunctioned didn’t it. All you have left is name calling and attempts to belittle.

      Feeling desperate much? Starting to unravel?

      http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/gillard-confusion-over-new-money-20100726-10rqb.html

      Perhaps Jules should take some notes along. Might save her “confusing” some reporters hahahahahaha.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:44pm | 26/07/10

      @ Shabangabang:  There’s nothing incompetent about coming to a debate being well prepared.  Where is it written that notes should not be allowed in a debate once someone has left high school?  I’de rather have someone who is slightly nervous than someone who is so sure of themselves as to be arrogant.  As you would know Australians *hate* arrogance.

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:07pm | 26/07/10

      You don’t need notes if you’re making up policies as you go.

    • Macca says:

      03:13pm | 26/07/10

      After last night, and the comments this morning floating around everyone’s interwebs, I’m starting to think many voters are becoming as disenchanted with Julia Gillard as they were with Kevin Rudd.

      And looking at today’s Newspoll, that statement seems even more obvious. Gillard’s position is almost as bad as Rudd’s was when he was dumped (she is slightly better on preferred PM).

      Still think she’ll get re-elected, but the honeymoon officially ended when she first uttered “moving forward” to open the debate last night

    • MarK says:

      03:31pm | 26/07/10

      Rudd was the brains of the operation.

      Sad fact but true.

      The Gillard comedy show will give us a few weeks of laughs yet though.

    • Anjuli says:

      03:14pm | 26/07/10

      Julia Gillard was condescending to every one not only Tony Abbott saying he was naive,she spoke like a 1st year primary school teacher.The worm should be laid to rest,it is meaningless .

    • Reg says:

      08:57am | 27/07/10

      What do you mean “everyone?” Again with the school-yard misunderstanding of the word naive. For those still smarting under some school-yard insult, it means shallow, superficial and easily convinced, if you don’t understand it, don’t use it and find another.  Anyhow it’s a perfect description of every ranting Liberal and bigoted farmer I’ve ever met.  Naive. naive. Naive. Shallow. Shallow. Shallow.

    • shane says:

      03:15pm | 26/07/10

      A debate implies intelligent, considered and informative argument for one’s point of view. The pollution broadcast into the universe for any sentient race advanced enough to receive and decipher last night it did nothing but highlight how pathetically divided and cynical both our politicians and our society is.

      The only important decision which MAY come as a result of the hour long bi-political party advertisement would be said sentient alien race deciding that the universe is to precious to let humans survive and inflict themselves upon its other occupants. Though by the time they get here to clean up the problem I’d say there’ll be nothing left but a charred brown ball of dirt wearily spiralling around our star wearing an orbit belt of space junk measured in the thousands of tones.

      Anyone who thinks either party is better then the other is an idiot. All politicians (particularly those at the pointy end) are lying hypocrites. Julia Gillard is NOT a concerned mother figure for the nation who will give us a cuddle and send us back to the playground when we skin our knees.

      Tony Abbott is NOT a conviction politician. Simply saying no to everything presented and then abusing opponents for not getting anything done does not = conviction. It equals political thug trying to paint himself as standing for something other than divisiveness. 

      They are different sides of the same coin. A tarnished old piece of s**t copper coin that has been buried in a septic tank for the last 400 years.  Polish it as much as you want, but deep down you’ll always know that it’s been covered in crap and waste for so long that the filth is the only thing holding it together. All you need to do is take a look at the Ads being used to “inform” us.

      I’ve always been in favour of compulsive voting, but how can we make an informed decision based on the pathetic tripe being offered to us by both parties? Unless something substantial happens in the next 4 weeks I’ll be donkey voting.

      And to anyone who says such action will veto my right to complain about the running of the country, then I say, it’s my right to veto my vote when the offering is so uncertain, pathetic, vague and negative that informed responsible voting is impossible.

    • Brad Price says:

      03:56pm | 26/07/10

      With a rant like that probably a good thing you do vote informal this election. No doubt any more of your wisdom would have you “remarkably” voting Greens to really teach us all a lesson.

    • iansand says:

      03:25pm | 26/07/10

      I’m amazed that people :

      a) Watched the debate; and
      b) Are amazed that it signified nothing.

      It is pretty clear to me who lost - the people who took an hour ot of their lives to watch.

    • MarK says:

      04:26pm | 26/07/10

      Hey ian that is unfair.

      Masterchef didn’t start till 7.30 and the kids all were fed and ready for bed.

      What was I supposed to do for that hour huh?

    • iansand says:

      04:51pm | 26/07/10

      I bet your sock drawer is still messy.

    • MarK says:

      08:32pm | 26/07/10

      Yes :(

      how did you know?

    • Do I Have To Vote? says:

      03:53pm | 26/07/10

      I would love to see somebody with an overall vision for 21st century Australia.  At the moment all we are getting is piecemeal announcements, not a coherent let alone compelling whole.  Individual policies should add up to a complete plan.  It’s like redecorating your house & thinking one room, one appliance, at a time instead of visualising the finished product.

    • AdamC says:

      04:28pm | 26/07/10

      I am not trying to bag you here, but what do people mean when they call for pollies to have vision? It actually worries me immensely when my ‘leaders’ wax ‘big-picture’ about ‘the future of the nation’. Why, because it always seems to entail them telling their subjects from on high how they should run their lives.

      I like to think I am alright at running my own life, and want a government that can efficiently run public services, prudently manage the budget and maintain appropriate (preferably minimalist) systems of regulation for industry and the like. That is not ‘visionary’ except in a piecemeal sense (say, a vision of how to reform healthcare funding, which the current gov pronised, then fudged completely) but it is what I want.

      Why shouldn’t governments try to do the little stuff well before making grand proclamations?

    • Do I Have To Vote? says:

      06:06pm | 26/07/10

      Adam, I just think that a good leader should be seeing the wood, as well as the trees.  Any good enterprise needs a strategic 3 or 5 year plan, and decisions are then made with the overall purpose in sight.  Believe me, I want minimal interference in the way I run my life, and I think a good leader should protect people’s autonomy as far as possible.  Maybe I am just wanting to be inspired…perhaps this is too much to expect & we will just get more of the same “management by crisis”.

    • Reg says:

      09:11am | 27/07/10

      A typical Liberal. Wants it all laid out with the certainty of death. Take a lesson from the sudden onsets of catastrophes sprinkled back through history. Begin at the most recent financial collapse. Except for the swift actions taken internationally we could have had another 1929 followed by another extended depression finished off with some nut case taking power and culminating in another world war.  What you really want is a long term planning group but unfortunately they would not be elected and no-one wants that. SO… it seems we prefer tiny bites rather than cradle to the grave. Why is this not obvious?

    • Do I Have To Vote? says:

      08:41pm | 27/07/10

      Reg - what about a plan with some flexibility to deal with unforeseen incidents?  And where would Labor have been when the GFC hit without a nice large surplus to distribute?  So nobody would vote for a leader with vision - how sad is that?  A total indictment of us as a nation

    • David says:

      04:14pm | 26/07/10

      I attended a meeting this morning. It would be fair to say that most people in room would vote Labor and have always done so. They were uneasy about the debate - Abbott performed far better than they expected or wanted and they did not know how to handle it.
      One of them (a union leader) left the meeting saying, “We have to go into damage control over this.”
      Until now Labor has had a very easy run of it. Gillard clearly thought they were going to get away with it again - and did not.

    • Gregg says:

      04:18pm | 26/07/10

      I agree the worm can be distracting and needs to be ignored for 150 people is a very small cross section of the community and how can it be guaranteed they’d be evenly picked for people do lie, even politicians.
      Maybe next time those who cannot ignore it could tape a pice of cardboard across the bottom of the screen but it does then kinda take the barracking for your guy/gal out of the entertainment value.
      The one common thread through the debate and as has been aired beforehand is that Labor are not too responsible in a fiscal sense and we are supposed to believe Julia’s promises and that after Swann’s latest budget was based on the most rubbery figures one could create and they had months and months to work on that and have some meaningful negotiations.
      The Liberals have always had to be a bit mean to return national budgetting from deficit to balance or surplus and there’ll be dyed in the wool Labor people who’ll say so what and quote how we’re better placed than a lot of countries, the only reason for that is because Labor get turfed out every so often for their fiscal inability.
      Gillard claims lower company tax will provide a lower cost of living whereas when commodity prices fall and super taxes are less than super, people and/or companies will again be lumped with more taxes and/or there’ll be more borrowing of money.
      It may have sounded bland and unemotional but the most factual advice of the night was from Abbott in that governments have to live within their means just as it is best for people to do.
      How young people do you know of who get into massive debt, just with mobile phone bills or using credit cards - same, same.
      Seanno or someone will probably say what about Abbott’s remortgaging and well surprise, surprise, many people do remortgaging for all kinds of reasons, be it for managing their financial situation or just to lock into a different loan set-up and if you have the capacity to repay the loan, that is borrowing against what is quite likely the greatest personal assett in one’s lifetime and application of funds is known and managed.
      A little different to borrowing for the unknown and applying little in the way of management skills.

    • Budz says:

      04:42pm | 26/07/10

      “But Ken Jobling of Geelong disagreed: “Tony Abbott was too negative and was unable to give any detail on something as simple as bread and grocery prices. All he could promise was very general aims without any idea of how he would achieve it. It was as though he could not trust himself to give detailed unscripted answers.””

      That shows complete lack of knowledge from Ken and other people who think it’s the Government responsibility to directly affect grocery prices. What Abbott said was spot on, all they could do is ensure there was sufficient competition and then leave it up to the competitiors and consumers to decide. If you want cheaper groceries, go and shop at Aldi, but don’t expect service or brand names there.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      06:32pm | 26/07/10

      How is Abbott going to deliver cheaper grocery prices when he proposes to tax Woolworths Coles Aldi et al a further 2% to pay for a paid parental leave scheme that, as health minister, he said would be introduced “only over the Howard Government’s dead body”?

    • Seano says:

      07:21pm | 26/07/10

      @Steve - the answer to your very fair question is he’s not. Abbott will never tax big business to pay for social welfare, not only would it be cutting his own throat, completely against his ideaology but as you rightly point out it’s only going to end up passed back to consumers.

      Abbott’s paid parental leave policy was a stunt which his party don’t support but it’s ok it wasn’t a scripted comment.

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:12pm | 26/07/10

      How is Gillard going to deliver cheaper groceries when every employer will be forced to increase their employees’ super from 9 to 12%, with only a 1% drop in company tax!  Even at a 2% drop, it was going to be marginal at best.

    • AbbArd says:

      05:13pm | 26/07/10

      Is it just me or did the man worm have a bit of a ‘technical difficulty’? The lil’ blue fella flatlined on zero for a rather a long time there.  And then the whole wiggly overlay vanished long before the speaker finished. Someone trip over a cord on the night perhaps?

    • AbbArd says:

      11:31pm | 26/07/10

      Oops. Was watching 7. I meant the polliegraph.

    • AbbArd says:

      07:26am | 27/07/10

      Oops.  Methinks I was meant the Polliegraph.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      06:45pm | 26/07/10

      I thought the debate was more of a Q&A than a head to head,no holds bared Texas death match.
      I would of preferred no Journos and no questions:just 5 topics,20 minutes each to rip into each other and maybe a corner person to towel them down quickly between topics.
      I thought Julia started strong and that Abbott finished better than he started.
      It’s obvious Julia is really a fembot:how else could she sling so much rhetoric without taking a breath?
      As for the dreaded worm:i thought it mainly favored Abbott especially when they both talked about climate change policies.Yet after the debate the 150 grubs at channel 9 voted Gillard a clear cut winner??????
      I think during the debate the worm movements were indicative of how people felt about the two parties,whereas the final vote was more about who was more popular.

    • Sam Webb says:

      08:31pm | 26/07/10

      I find it amusing that so many of you make decisions on the honesty of politicians based on how well they stood up in a debate.
      In reaching the age of 64, I have been exposed to some very proficient liers. Car salesmen, insurance salesmen and politicians are all masters of oral deception. Dale Carnegie has trained millions of businessmen and probably all politicians to lie very successfully.
      Look at how many people were suckered by John Howard’s ‘non core’ promises, he was very convincing.
      On a lighter note, did you notice how desperately Tony was humping his lecturn while Julia was speaking?

    • Reg says:

      10:29am | 27/07/10

      Hi Sam, nice one, it shall be forever a wonderment that people were prepared to swallow John Howard’s promises followed by a clause saying they were not promises. Non-core. But even Dale Carnegie lied when he convinced readers that they only used 5% of their brains. How else could he suggest there was room for improvement? I bet there are a lot of Liberals still swear by that little piece of deception.

    • preciouspress says:

      08:34pm | 26/07/10

      The Coalition governed from 1996 - 2007. Labor have been in government for close to 3 years. Yet the media and clearly Penbo is no exception, build the myth that all depends upon the announcements and demeanor of Gillard and Abbott over the course of five weeks.
      If at this stage you are still a swinging voter i.e unsure who you believe will be the better government, you don’t deserve to live in a democracy. What do you read? What do you listen to? Which TV programmes do you watch?

    • Gary Webb says:

      09:28pm | 26/07/10

      Shortly after the 2007 election, Abbott complained that he had trouble managing on the basic parliamentary salary, and it was recently revealed that he took out a bank loan in the vicinity of $700,000 for living expenses.
      Now as I understand it, Tony has been in a stable marriage for quite some time, his daughters are all grown up? and I would have assumed, with his ‘Rhodes Scholarship’ type education, that even before he went into politics that he probably had a rewarding job of some sort.
      How come, after all those years of a more than reasonable income, he hasn’t managed to put enough aside to live on?  How can we believe in his ‘economic’ credientals?

    • MarK says:

      08:14am | 27/07/10

      Do you really really believe the conclusion you are trying to draw?

    • Reg says:

      11:00am | 27/07/10

      Kindly elaborate on your own expectations MarK. Either Gary is suggesting Tony is living beyond his means or he has no idea of managing his own finances. Of course there is also the possibility that he is an inveterate gambler or is supporting several wives and lots of illegitimate children. Speak MarK. We never tire of your vociferous outpourings.

    • Billy B says:

      12:51pm | 27/07/10

      Gary, Gary, Gary, would you like to know how much he has in the bank while we are at it?

    • Gary Webb says:

      02:59pm | 27/07/10

      Billy B,  no I don’t need to know that, even though so much has been made of what Kevin Rudd’s wife and Malcolm Turnbull were worth, I really don’t think it’s any of my business.
      My point, although I never spelled it out, was that If I had had all of Tony’s advantages in life I think I would have coped much better financially.  Therefore, I believe I have some right to question his aforementioned ‘economic creds’. Afterall, he is attacking others on the very same subject.

    • Do I Have To Vote? says:

      11:06pm | 26/07/10

      And the real debate was on quanda tonight ...the visionary we need is a Turnbull/Richo coalition

    • preciouspress says:

      07:58am | 27/07/10

      With Penny Wong ?

    • roscoe says:

      11:25pm | 26/07/10

      They both suck, Australia is doomed…

    • Sirro says:

      01:48pm | 27/07/10

      Most of what Labor are sprouting is complete balony or a misrepresentation of the truth.

      It has Bruce Hawker’s style of sneaky lies all over it.

      Without doubt the reason why labor is going to get the flick on 21 August is that they just cannot tell it to us straight. People forgive bad management if it wont be repeated. Labor are showing absolutely no indication that they understand what a hash theyve made of every delivery and have a better plan going forward. Instead they just make up lies as to why Tony Abbott would be worse.

      Hasta la Vista Gillard and Labor.

 

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