The ALP national conference is coming up and this time it might actually be interesting rather than an event more scripted than an inflight safety announcement.

Don't crack out the party favours just yet, PM. Pic: Kym Smith, digitally altered

By this time next week the Labor Party will know whether it has reinforced its claim to stand for something or simply invited internal voices of dissent to an unseemly shouting match.

Further, Julia Gillard will know whether the party gave her the authority she needed or was marking her down because of the manner of her elevation.

Meanwhile, the man she pushed out to become Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, will be chasing his own plan for reforming the party with proposals which might not be entirely agreeable to his successor.

What won’t happen, certainly not in any convincing way, is a celebration of victory. A party whose government has 30 per cent of the primary vote couldn’t be that absurd.

The weekend will see the spectacle of the Labor Party trying to reshape its role at a time when its traditional voters are sprinting to the Coalition and the so-called progressives are paying more attention to the Greens.

What remains is a hollowed-out party which doesn’t know which direction to move in.

“The Liberals are the party of convenience. The Labor Party is the party of conviction,” former Labor Prime Minister Paul Keating told TEN’s Meet the Press yesterday.

“When the convictions drop - when the reason for being dissipates or becomes opaque – then of course the people prone to support Labor drift elsewhere.”

The conference also will see a slight return of the left/right battles which in the olden days used to preoccupy the ALP but also energise it.

Jenny McAllister has a position not many Australians know exists, and even fewer know who holds it.

She is national president of the ALP, a left winger returned to that post last week by a ballot of party members.

Ms McAllister’s success has encouraged her faction to be more confident about the numbers in three critical debates – those on gay marriage, party reform and uranium sales to India.

Here’s a tip: Julia Gillard will get her way on uranium through support by right-wing unions, and by promising that the restrictions put on its use by India would in fact make the sub-continent safer.

Gay marriage is no longer a strictly left-right issue in the general community. It is almost mainstream, and Parliament would reflect that.

The contention now is how to bring it about, how to change the law. Labor’s left wants a change to the party platform and then legislation, Ms Gillard wants legislation going to a conscience vote, effectively asking Parliament to set the ALP’s platform.

If a parliamentary conscience vote were held on that other big social issue, euthanasia, it would be lost. If one were held on gay marriage, it would succeed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott probably knows that which is one reason why he would not want a conscience vote. He would have to watch some of his MPs crossing the floor.

Julia Gillard would lose a few MPs, too, but the victory would make that easier to bear.

There will be a number of suggested reforms to the party processes with the aim of increasing the say of ordinary ALP members, and widening the decision making circle.

Kevin Rudd’s suggestions will add to speculation he is entering this debate in part to challenge the authority of Julia Gillard.

Just about everything he does is seen in this perspective, but certainly on this occasions the cynics might be right.

Mr Rudd blames “faceless men” and union chiefs for his departure as PM, and wants his revenge through a party reorganisation which would strengthen the influence of the folk who still adore him, the rank and file.

“Because I believe they are actually much closer to the Australian people themselves,” he yesterday told Sky’s Australian Agenda.

So he wants the direct election by party members of the ALP national executive and the national general secretary.

It will be interesting next Saturday to watch Mr Rudd, who insisted on a flat lining national conference while he was PM, attempting to stir the comrades into loud debate.

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    • nihonin says:

      05:13am | 28/11/11

      Of course, if the conference doesn’t run smoothly and nobody ends up getting what they expected or there is no consensus anywhere, it’ll be due to Tony Abbott having said no.

    • Alf says:

      07:37am | 28/11/11

      @nihonin. You underestimate Labor’s ability to self destruct. Even a well planned wankthon like this can easitly to turn into a bloodbath. Abbott is the least of their problems.

    • The Big M says:

      08:23am | 28/11/11

      LOL nihonin… Tony and his knee-cappers will be salivating over every statement, release, assumption, interpretation, media report, facial expression, body language nuance and utterance from who_knows before, during and after the conference, and will be busily interpreting all these as certain indcators, indeed proof, that Australia is on the verge of an ALP caused doom and gloom of Biblical proportions and that the ALP is already fully dysfunctional….
      Which in the light of the events of last week, the unexpected longevity of the current govt, the 250 pieces of legislation passed and the fact that Kevin07 is a minister in Gilly’s11, is all the more gauling for Redneck Tony and his hysterical arm_waving Gang of Fourteen wiseacres in the Coalition.
      He was happy to defend a “clean” Slipper up till now, he can se that Slipper on another foot today, and wear it!!

    • nihonin says:

      09:41am | 28/11/11

      I’m hoping you noticed the irony in my statement The Big M, I think both sides are as pathetic as the other, if it’s not passed it’s because of tony Abbott and on other the side of the house, it’s all legislation introduced would bring ruin and damnation to the country.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      10:16am | 28/11/11

      nihonin - I think both sides are as pathetic as each other as well - and the party tragics are pretty pathetic as well. One-eyed propaganda rants like The Big M’s is just another example of a contentless, superficial, boring post from a party tragic. They are blind followers not thinkers.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:19am | 28/11/11

      @ Cookie Monster & Nihohin,

      The lazy and dishonest method is to claim that they are equally bad. Whilst I admit they are both bad (and very, very rarely good), I would never equate them as equal, thats just a throwaway line, very similar to politicians “spin”.

    • nihonin says:

      11:38am | 28/11/11

      Adam Diver, it may be as you claim all ‘spin’ but as a non aligned rustie, it’s exactly how I see it.  They’re both good at sniping at each other, dragging down to pre-school level the quality of QT in Parliament.

      I’ll agree with you on ‘they’re being as bad as each other’, as I’ve previously stated Tony A. and the coalition haven’t been given the chance yet to make a comparison while in government.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      12:18pm | 28/11/11

      Adam Driver - “The lazy and dishonest method is to claim that they are equally bad. Whilst I admit they are both bad (and very, very rarely good), I would never equate them as equal, thats just a throwaway line, very similar to politicians “spin”.”

      I’m not going to take the line that one is not as bad as the other and so is “kinda ok”. What’s lazy is to be a blind-Freddy follower of a party and not question when these situations arise - both sides have questions to answer in this situation. It’s got nothing to do with throw-away lines and political spin (that’s for party tragics) - its got everything to do with political parties being held accountable for their members and their actions wherever they fall on the spectrum of bad to good.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      12:41pm | 28/11/11

      And Adam Diver - I would love you to elaborate on how exactly you think nihonin and I are being dishonest. Unlike you we’re saying that no degree of corruption or aligning yourself with corruption is acceptable, we’re not offering biased opinions based along one-eyed party lines and we’re asking both sides of politics to be held accountable. I don’t see where the dishonestly lies except in your post.

    • Steve says:

      01:05pm | 28/11/11

      @ the little M.
      Knee-capping, rednecks, all Tony Abbotts fault etc etc ,rant, rave..
      And you wonder why people dont listen to the Labor party anymore?

    • Martin says:

      01:15pm | 28/11/11

      Adam is right. The Noalition are far, far worse.

    • Adam Diver says:

      02:21pm | 28/11/11

      @ Cookie, its intellectual dishonesty, should of made that clear. If you think they are equally bad, I would love for you to elaborate. Whilst both parties perfom similar actions, many of them less than ideal, its lazy to pretend that there are not varying degrees. The world is millions of shades of grey, saying its just black and white is the easy option.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      03:13pm | 28/11/11

      Adam Diver - I said the politicial parties are as pathetic as each other and their tragic followers are as well (you are a classic example of a pathetic tragic). I also never said it was black-and-white. Putting words in my mouth won’t win you an argument. I already elaborated but lets try again and see if you notice this time - its got everything to do with political parties being held accountable for their members and their actions wherever they fall on the spectrum of bad to good.

      The lazy option is to blindly follow party lines which is exactly what you’re doing and not call out your own party when a questionable situation arises. Intellectual dishonesty is using “shades of grey” to excuse lack of action on corruption - what’s your mantra “It’s only a little bit corrupt so it doesn’t matter”?

      Your party tragic arguments wear thin - your belief that one party is worst than the other is an opinion so you’re just using the argument that your 100% right and I’m 100% wrong because I don’t agree with you. A tragic from the opposing political party could equally have the opinion that your party is worse. I have the opinion that no political party has the moral high-ground and they are both pathetic as each other.

    • James Hunter says:

      03:36pm | 28/11/11

      Tony Abbot should go some place far far away in search of a “life”,His wreacking fixation does no one any favours, except maybe Malcolm Turnbull who is the only rational potential leader they have.

    • JimH says:

      07:47am | 29/11/11

      Mr Abbott could just about wear ‘budgie smugglers’ to Parliament for a week and Labor would still be on the nose with the Australian people. Labor is eating Labor.

    • The Big M says:

      04:28pm | 01/12/11

      Affirmative nihonin, I did pick up on that… >;)) And agreed, we have hit a low point for political profiles and quality, sad times!

    • The Big-Little-Medium M says:

      04:33pm | 01/12/11

      Hey Steve, bonza for you mate, but I have not voted ALP for over 30 years… Redneck Tony is sadly not even close to being a usable alternative, which is what riles me. The Coalition carries on like a busload of truculent children deprived of their precious Power… I would vote for them at the drop of a hat if they were either credible, usable or at least honest and serious. Their current strategy accepts that Australia as a nation is acceptable collateral damage in order for them to get back into Power, and that is all that counts for them: Power… But thanks for demonstrating their same penchant for denigration mate, coialition voter or staffer??

    • Eric The Red says:

      05:41am | 28/11/11

      Rudd needs to move to the backbench and let the the PM and those interested in running the show get on with it. He has sour grapes and always will, he wants revenge and he is just causing trouble. Don’t keep crying about it Kev, Move on, You lost because you were not good at playing with others. (or maybe you should just pull the pin alltogether). We don’t need your vote, We have the Golden Slipper.

    • Joan says:

      07:19am | 28/11/11

      Power to Rudd. He`s top of the pops with the people He has been rehabilitated and looks ready to lead. Time to give Ms Tough as Nails Gillard the backstabbing liar   the big flick Ms Tough as Nails who has killed Labor soul and turned it on it its head into a schizo mess. Ms Tough as nails turned to putty in Obama hands , dances to USA beat - doing the yellow cake walk to the tune of US marines on Australia shore.  Thats the new Labor , doing Ms Yellow Cake USA Gillard yellow cake walk, to the beat of on US marine drums. . Who would have thought it? .The Gold in   Slipper is   `fools gold`.  Tough as nails Gillard and Slipper made of the same stuff   and Kev will continue outpoll Ms Tough as Nails today and tomorrow and next year. The addition of smelly old well past the use by date Slipper to Gilllard has just gained extra brownie points for Rudd from electorate. Rudd in top form on Sky Sunday.

    • The Big M says:

      08:15am | 28/11/11

      Eric, what you are missing with your fixation on Kevin, is that his message is correct. The ALP does need reform, and it is foolish to reject the message because it comes from someone you cannot handle nor suffer.

    • iansand says:

      08:38am | 28/11/11

      He is much more dangerous on the back bench.  As Foreign Minister he is busy and out of the country a lot.  Imagine the chaos he could cause with time on his hands?  Many a good party coup has been launched from the back bench.  Fraser.  Keating….

    • Cookie Monster says:

      09:58am | 28/11/11

      ETR “the golden slipper” - how can you be proud of your party aligning themselves with a corrupt politician. I find it disgusting that the NLP kept Slipper on and just as disgusting with what Gillard has done. The whole thing is a sickening. And the party tragics on both sides are revolting as well.

      It’s with situations like this that you see who are thinkers and who are blind followers.

    • Mouse says:

      05:39pm | 28/11/11

      You don’t like her do you Joan! :o)
      @Cookie Monster, do you think the Unions will lend Slipper the money if he has to pay back any perks he “mistakenly” appropriated that he wasn’t entitled to? :oD

    • Shane says:

      07:27pm | 28/11/11

      @mouse I’m sure the Liberal Party will be happy to chip in as he would only have done so as a Liberal MP.

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:51am | 28/11/11

      Malcolm, I’m not sure what your piece is attempting to do.  Perhaps it’s just too weighty a piece for Monday morning, but there’s not much new in any of the above.

      Julia’s going to scramble around to hold to power, and Kevin’s going to be the innocent 8 year old swarming around the background undermining her while turning his big puppy eyes on the big chair and saying, “What?”

      Meanwhile, nothing of real significance will get done because we’re all waiting to see how much the RBA cuts rates by (if at all) next week.

    • Amanda G says:

      05:53am | 28/11/11

      Of course, the beautiful irony is that Kevin Rudd himself is as much to blame for the ALP’s gradual demise as anyone. HE ran the office of PM with little consultation or genuine engagement, HE initiated the relentless deceptive spin blaming the previous Howard government for all our current ills, and HE was as much a dishonest player in the carbon tax debate (or lack thereof, where the public is concerned) as Julia. He, with others, set about the disconnection of the Labor party from voters, and now puts on some convected public outrage at the party’s failings. Quite obviously, Mr Rudd is not nearly as much a leader - or as popular - as he thinks he is.

    • acotrel says:

      06:20am | 28/11/11

      @AmandaG
      ’ Quite obviously, Mr Rudd is not nearly as much a leader - or as popular - as he thinks he is.’

      Kevin Rudd was a second division public servant, and they are usually competent people.  As I understand it, he was into micromanaging, and that’s not a sign of a good leader.  A leader should be able to manage systematically and know that he can delegate confidently to his followers.

    • enemy of the state says:

      07:08am | 28/11/11

      Gold star to that girl!  I have thought for some time that rudd wasnt the superstar he pretends to be, just check out the perth concert. He really is a thorn in the side of gillard and a bitter twisted man to the end.

    • Alf says:

      07:27am | 28/11/11

      @acotrrel. “As I understand it, he was into micromanaging, and that’s not a sign of a good leader”

      Actually, he was an incompetent fool who sent Labor’s polls into free-fall. That is why they sacked him.

    • John K says:

      07:54am | 28/11/11

      and not act like a spoiled brat on government jets.

    • Don . says:

      09:36am | 28/11/11

      Mr Rudd is a far more credible person than Julia Gillard .

      When are the ALP going to right this wrong ?

      This meeting is the perfect time .

    • franklin says:

      12:20pm | 28/11/11

      HE trashed Australia’s border protection regime (against the advice of the immigration department) and thus allowed the re-establishment of the people smuggling business.

      The Howard government stopped people smuggling and the allocation of places in Australia’s refugee resettlement program then returned to being based on need. Under Labor the allocation of places in Australia’s refugee resettlement program is now based on financial ability to pay many thousands of dollars to criminal gangs of people smugglers. That has made the many fair minded Australians who want the very few number of refugee places available to go to those most in need very angry indeed.

    • andye says:

      01:53pm | 28/11/11

      @franklin - You know its funny, under Rudd our boat people arrivals grew more slowly than the world average.  Also, the various ups and downs of the numbers of arrivals correlates more with world figures than any local policy shifts. When Howard was taking credit for lowering the numbers, they were going down worldwide.

      You know who has more refugees than us? Iran. Syria. Jordan. Hell, Kenya has more than us.

      The boat people issue is an emotional wedge that the Liberals used to leverage the xenophobic streak that One Nation illuminated in our country. It seems like a lot of people ares still dancing to that tune and buying the bull.

    • franklin says:

      10:39pm | 28/11/11

      andye, the great surge in the numbers of arrivals correlates exactly with the policy shift on border protection of the Rudd government, just take a look at the figures year by year, it seems obvious to everyone except refugee advocates.

      It is not xenophobia (or fear or racism) as cited by refugee advocates that motivates the opposition of a very large number of compassionate Australians to boat people, it offends their sense of fairness that asylum seekers paying many thousands of dollars to criminal gangs of people smugglers can take precedence in Australia’s refugee resettlement program ahead of desperate UNHCR refugees living in destitution in squalid refugee camps in Africa and Asia.

      A simple question for you andye, who should we as Australians direct our humanitarian efforts towards, who needs our help the most, destitute refugees in desperate need living in squalid refugee camps, or asylum seekers with many thousands of dollars to pay criminal gangs of people smugglers.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:02am | 28/11/11

      Too funny! Reading the paper yesterday and the various internet forums, I lost count of how many times the word sleaze and slime was associated with Gillard. Looks like double agaent Gillard is doing a fine job angering the public and losing the ALP more support. Even better watching Ruddy diss the party. Well the last days of the ALP will at least be entertaining from a soap opera point of view wink

      No re-call of Parliament to push through the illegal Malaysian Solution? I guess we’ll enjoy the flood of refugees. Gillard gives Australia the ‘best’ X’mas presents ever!

    • Pete says:

      07:13am | 28/11/11

      Against the Man: you need to get off those liberal web sites and widen your gaze, she was at the ARIA’s last night and was very well received by the crowd

    • mick says:

      07:28am | 28/11/11

      The Liberal side of politics needs to start debating policy and stop wrecking the working of the parliament Against the Man.  Funny how your comments mirror Tony Abbott exactly -  personal attacks with little basis, no no no to debate and good policy and belligerent rhetoric .

      It is sad that the once great Liberal Party need to have political moles on websites to incite hatred against their opponents.

    • nihonin says:

      08:29am | 28/11/11

      Pete says ‘she was at the ARIA’s last night and was very well received by the crowd’, well they are pretty much the crowd that supports the Labor party.

    • sandra says:

      09:17am | 28/11/11

      Pete and Mick you actually read as though you are copying from the Labor spin sheet—so pot meet black!!!. the arty Aussies are almost all lefties so no surprise there!!!

    • Against the Man says:

      09:28am | 28/11/11

      Pete I agree. While we are getting wave after wave after wave of refugees thanks to piss poor ALP border policy it is good to see the PM is presenting an award to Kylie rather than actually doing her job. But I guess if the fake PM job description is hanging out at awards with their delegated man bag in tow instead of sorting out important policies like boarder protection, health care, the economy, tax issues etc than Miss Gillard is doing a bang up job wink

    • Ron Vincent says:

      09:35am | 28/11/11

      Pete, you must have been listening to the ABC news. From where friends of mine where sitting, you couldn’t hear the cheers for the cat-calls.

    • Factifull says:

      09:47am | 28/11/11

      The flood of refugees started when Abbott decided he supported on shore processing and didn’t back changes enabling off shore processing.
      Abbott “owns” all the arrivals since, in much the same way as Abbott is suggesting that Labor owns Slipper now.

    • Michael says:

      10:50am | 28/11/11

      Factifull, would you mind quantifying the effect that scrapping the Pacific Solution had, if any, on reinvigorating the people smugglers’ activities in our region.

      How, in your opinion, did we end up with onshore processing when we already had an operational offshore detention system?

    • The righteous one says:

      10:53am | 28/11/11

      actually all of you are making the rest of us sick, finish the slagging off at each other and do something unusual, run the country and come up with alternative policies,  federal mp’s are lucky their pay is not performance based, or they might have to actually do something for their money

    • RyaN says:

      11:26am | 28/11/11

      @Pete: She was at the ARIA’s last night and made to look like the complete and utter loser she is.
      Kylie made her stand there like the peasant slave holding her award.
      Gillard has zero self respect and hence the majority of the Australian public see her for the sleaze she is.

    • Shooter says:

      11:37am | 28/11/11

      Against the Man what does the Liberal party stand for? The people or Big Business

    • Against the Man says:

      12:02pm | 28/11/11

      Wait. Pay for performance. Now I’ll back that 100% for any party in power. I’ve advocated it before.

    • Martin says:

      01:20pm | 28/11/11

      That’s what Prime Ministers do. Serve the public. The Noalition supporters have really lost it since Harry’s Xmas pressy. The denial they’ve been in for 15 months has finally come to an end.

    • Dolt says:

      03:01pm | 28/11/11

      Not meaning to sound homophobic or anything, but is “Against the Man” code for some sort of preference you have?

    • Robert Smissen Of rural SA says:

      04:25pm | 28/11/11

      @ Pete other than Berlusconi, can yo imagine any other G20 leader turning up to be part of such a low rent show? ? This woman? would turn up to the opening of an envelope if she thought it would garner her points.

    • Against the Man says:

      04:45pm | 28/11/11

      @ Dolt - To answer your question, Against the Man is code for I thing Labor is the worst political party in this country whose immoral and corrupt values need to be addressed. Hope that helps.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:25am | 28/11/11

      I hope Slipper gets an invite. It’d be polite of the ALP.

      And he could learn a lot from “No Carbon Tax” Gillard too. He betrayed his electorate, she betrayed an entire nation.

    • John says:

      09:13am | 28/11/11

      @Joel
      Why would he? He’s a former National and Liberal MP, now an Independent. And he’d still be a Liberal MP today if Abbott hadn’t said he’d expel any Liberal who became Speaker. You’re not “betraying” him, are you?

    • Robert Smissen Of rural SA says:

      04:30pm | 28/11/11

      @John, where have you been hiding, under a rock in northern QLD? ? Slipper was being disendorsed because of his behavior, slipper was already on his way out , Tony was getting rid of a shonk & Juliar said she’d cope him sweet

    • John says:

      07:47pm | 28/11/11

      Try to keep up, Robert, although maybe it’s hard to keep track of Queensland MPs when you’re in rural SA. Peter Slipper was a Nationals MP from 1984 to 1987, and has been a Liberal MP since 1993. That’s right; 18 years as a Liberal MP. Where were you then? And he’d still be a Liberal MP today if Abbott hadn’t said he’d expel any Liberal who became Speaker just last week, even though Slipper’s been Deputy Speaker for the last 15 months. You and Tony were happy to count his vote until a few days ago. He is now an Independent. He has not joined the ALP. The ALP can do without ex-Liberals, thanks.

    • MargD says:

      07:29am | 28/11/11

      If Gillard loses her job she can always fall back on a hosting job on TV. What the hell was she doing on the Arias last night? Talk about Eddie Everywhere, now it’s Julia at every opportunity and as rough as guts as usual.

    • Pete says:

      08:28am | 28/11/11

      MargD see comment above

    • Ron V. says:

      09:38am | 28/11/11

      Pete, same to you. See comments above.

    • Terence of OZ says:

      08:22am | 28/11/11

      Maybe they should all do what they are excellent at doing.  Just pretend they are 100% right and everyone else is 100% wrong, and just shove their heads back into the sand!!

    • F.W.G. says:

      08:28am | 28/11/11

      What a sad and sorry state were in when the likes of a person like Slimey Slipper can be made speeker of the house, why not make Thompson tresurer and complete the joke.

    • H B Bear says:

      11:06am | 28/11/11

      Your speling needs werk.

    • G.W.F. says:

      07:29pm | 28/11/11

      By the look of your post FWG you’d better not nominate for the Education ministry

    • Lachlan says:

      08:42am | 28/11/11

      I would expect more people would join both parties, indeed become involved in the political process more, if you could vote in leaders of the party and maybe one day after constitutional ammendments popularly elect Premiers and PMs.
      I’m sure at least half of the argument that continues to rear its head in the press, regarding leadership would be somewhat eased if leaders had greater legitimacy, whether it be through fixed political terms or popular mainstream election

    • Larry says:

      10:50am | 28/11/11

      Like that’s worked for Obama

    • Trevor says:

      08:51am | 28/11/11

      Of much more importance and gravitas…

      I hope all of you punchers remembered to not bash your wives/girlfriends on Friday!

    • Chris L says:

      11:07am | 28/11/11

      Damn, was that last Friday?! I forgot!

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:21am | 28/11/11

      Was that on friday? I will have to make up for it next year and make it a two day event.

      Looks like extra violent video games on those days to compensate.

    • Phil says:

      08:53am | 28/11/11

      Makes no difference what Labor does. They know they are finished and that is why they changed the speaker - so as to maximise the time they remain in power as they know after this term it is curtains for them as a party as the people of Australia have had a gutful of them. It is ironic that the stunt they just pulled to ensure 2 more years of rule is a classic example as to why they are on the nose and headed for the history books. I am stocking up on the popcorn to enjoy the demolition of them in 2013 - that is if Oakshott, Windsor and Wilkie don’t withdraw their support in one move because they all have their power reduced by the grubby speaker deal.

    • Anna C says:

      09:17am | 28/11/11

      Agreed Phil. Labor knows that they will be banished into the political wilderness after the next election, so they are doing whatever it takes to delay the inevitable.

    • GEEK says:

      09:03am | 28/11/11

      Why doesn’t Kevin Rudd just go to the back bench if he wants to advocate positions like this? I guess its way too much fun being foreign minister, so he needs to both have the cake and eat it too.
      Since he is so “popular” with the people, he could advocate constitutional change, turn the system of government into a presidential system, reincarnate as President and run the country whichever way he wants.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:05am | 28/11/11

      Rudd had his chance at reform and typical of a politician, did nothing with it. Much like how he promised reform on FOI, accountability and a number of other issues I was hoping for some change.

      In bigger news Rudd admits his gunning for the PM job (well sort of)

      “Asked would he implement his ideas if given the chance, Rudd was categorical: “Absolutely.” But it was what followed that will have profound implications for federal politics: ”My recommendation, if elected . . .” He paused mid-sentence. “If I was in a position in the future . . .” Paul Kelly quickly asked the question viewers must have been thinking: “You mean if elected prime minister again?”

      Rudd began the necessary hosing down: “No, no, no, I’m going to your question, that you said if you’re ever in a position to do something about thi

    • Susan Q says:

      09:21am | 28/11/11

      It is interesting that the first female PM we have had has been the most incompetent and sleazy in Australia’s history.

      What a filthy legacy she leaves.  What a disgrace to all Australians girls.

      Shame.  I hope she retires to Wales.

    • Richard says:

      10:18am | 28/11/11

      Erick? Is that you? John Howard was the most incompetent and sleazy PM in Australia’s history, by the way.

    • Against the Man says:

      10:55am | 28/11/11

      Richard, when Gillard is real PM for 11 years than maybe you can have a go at Howard. Till then you should focus on that refugee hanging over your shoulder.

    • Richard says:

      04:25pm | 28/11/11

      What refugee? But if there were one there, in what way should I “focus” on them?

    • Jay says:

      09:31am | 28/11/11

      You ain’t seen nothing yet people. The Carbon Tax comes into effect in July just as the Global Financial crisis is about to hit hard, and China enters recession as they closing down factories due to lack of demand.This will be the economic perfect storm and watch what happens in Australia. Tax receipts will evaporate, but dole payments will sky rocket. The Banks will cut back their lending as they do not have the funds to access from overseas and the property market will collapse. Socialism in Europe has failed miserably and unfortunately we are about to feel the pain. The Liberals will gain power and the issue of Workchoices will not even become an issue as people are desperate for work. This generation has never experienced severe financial problems. They will shortly and then they will punish Labor at the polls in a slaughter never seen before.

    • Aged Beauty Queen says:

      12:05pm | 28/11/11

      Jay…..I’m on a permanent sickness pension. My adult children (5) all give me $100 each for birthday & Christmas. A year ago I started stock piling non perishables such as rice, pasta, toilet paper, tinned vegies, tinned Tuna etc ets etc,  because I too am sensing a massive world financial collapse. And my next door neighbour is doing the same for the same reason. I’ve also bought some extra thick winter clothing.

    • Adam says:

      10:02am | 28/11/11

      Have they taken on Slipper so they can sack Rudd ? just wondering.

    • Tom says:

      12:15pm | 29/11/11

      Kevin ain’t going anywhere. He needs the UN endorsement. Are they going to disappoint pokie Wilkie? Maybe.

      What if the left slipper turns back into a right slipper?

    • Phillip says:

      10:23am | 28/11/11

      What would be a good idea for the ALP is to install Harry Jenkins as Prime Minister ......  that would throw everyone off course…. he has a lot of respect around the country….  then if he threw out the entire cabinet….  with all new faces he would romp it in with an election….  But ...... labor aint that smart.

    • John says:

      11:21am | 28/11/11

      That is the first good idea I’ve ever read in the Punch comments. Thanks.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      01:13pm | 28/11/11

      @John I think Harry had been overlooked as a candidate given that he was Speaker, but I agree with you and Phillip on this. Sadly I don’t think Harry would be interested in the job, he seems to be more interested in lobbying for his electorate at the moment rather than trying to lead a country.

    • LON says:

      10:56am | 28/11/11

      With a growing media consensus that Rudd is now finished as a
      stand-in PM, Julia Gillard will have the grandeur all to herself and no doubt the cosmetic make over will do her complexion wonders. Labor is existing in a virtual reality at the moment, the recent euphoria of success will placate,
      albeit temporarily, the underlying political angst amongst some of the true believers clapping with adulation towards any camera focusing on the audience. Political conferences are the Logies without the public vote, a self indulgant slap on the back to let the voters know how grateful Australia should be for such benevolence and forsight in the national interest that was held together by steadfast leadership. Wayne Swan will be ready for any feined poignant moment to share the economic success he thinks he rightly deserves. If Gillard chairs the conference well she will emphasise the one noticable difference between herself and Abbott; that she has a team of ministers that are finding their niche and work well with the media. Rudd should not be left out completely as Gillard has completed what he had started but without using the world stage as a backdrop. Looking ahead it could be very unlikely that Rudd will contest the next election, there is very little political reason for him to do so with so little left on offer,and also his health to consider.  Labors cup is full at the moment i dont think any of it’s contents will be spilled for the benefit of the media or to give any succour to Tony Abbott’s inevitable news conference. 
      Bearing in mind that there are still two years to go before the next election Bob Brown should at least be an invited guest considering he has been taking more than his share of the limelight within the Gillard government in recent times.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      11:13am | 28/11/11

      Hi Malcolm,

      I beg to disagree with you about the early celebrations & parties when it comes to Ms Julia Gillard & the Federal Government of Australia.  There was the historical visit from the President of the USA, Mr Barrack Obama, lingering problem of the actual tackling of the carbon tax issue & selling the much needed uranium to the needy in India!!  I personally think all that should be good enough reasons to celebrate!!

      I am certain Ms Gillard & Mr Obama had a chance to exchange greetings, ideas, policies about the future of both nations.  And most importantly, how to win the next US Senate & Australian Federal Elections!!  I assume all these good news could not have come at a better time, just before the Christmas spirit & wishes of joy , good will, peace & harmony for every one in our world!!  Best regards to your editors.

    • Ros says:

      11:15am | 28/11/11

      “There will be a number of suggested reforms to the party processes with the aim of increasing the say of ordinary ALP members, and widening the decision making circle.”

      The United States military would call letting the ordinary members have a say “crowd wisdom”, a notion relatively unknown to Julia or her predecessor. Despite the fact that you manage to discuss the problems of the ALP without a mention of the elephant in the room, Slipper, it seems unlikely Malcolm that there won’t be some members who think that back room deals done with disreputable characters seeking to save themselves from political oblivion let alone worse is not conducive to a strong party and might mention it at the conference. Some might suspect that his precipitous advancement was to fix his emergency rather than the Government’s. And wonder who had who in their back pocket.
      Which leads to

      “By this time next week the Labor Party will know whether it has reinforced its claim to stand for something”

      Hard to see how Julia’s demonstration of her real strength, backroom dealing, serves to promote a perception of a Labor Party that stands for something positive. Particularly as the big winner out of this shameful dismissal of their loyal member Jenkins is Slipper himself. Think she was suckered actually, again.

    • biff says:

      11:38am | 28/11/11

      Would anyone like to guess the collective IQ at this ALP soiree? I say it would be equal to my shoe size; AUS and UK 8, EUR 42. Any other guesses?

    • Joan says:

      02:06pm | 28/11/11

      My guess is that it’s not only your feet that are small.

    • Sydney says:

      11:43am | 28/11/11

      What a joke this government is. Giving parents money for their kids to stay in school. Both Liberal & Laboe buy votes its just so wrong.

    • Popp Suckett says:

      07:12pm | 28/11/11

      That’s right! Kids whose parents can’t afford college should just work in the mines!

      Lucky the Howard Coalition never engaged in any pork barrelling, especially just before an election!

    • Michelle says:

      11:51am | 28/11/11

      ...What won’t happen, certainly not in any convincing way, is a celebration of victory. A party whose government has 30 per cent of the primary vote couldn’t be that absurd…

      Oh I wouldn’t be to sure of that if I was you. Judging on past performances of Gillard and the ALP,  being ecstatic at how smart you are at being deceptive,  breaking election promises, and in general unprincipled while voters are ditching you in droves is cause for celebration.

      Gillard and the ALP probably believe they’re so far ahead of the curve in winning voters over by the way they do business that they’ll party for a month.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:54am | 28/11/11

      Just what authority has Gillard actually got?
      Whether she & her supporters in the un-elected union movement like it or not she has not, nor probably ever will be, been forgiven for her obscene ” All for Me” Power-Grab when she deliberately ousted Kevin Rudd.
      The voters demonstrated their disapproval whenshe, single-handedly exterminated the 18-seat majority Kevin Rudd brought the ALP.
      The main reason Gillard & the un-elected unionists who engineered Rudd’s removal was that the Polls - Remember them? They’re the things Gillard & the ALP pay no attention to unless it is the really big one: The Federal Election Poll. - showed ALP support was slipping badly under Kevin Rudd.
      He had to go.
      Since then, with a couple of very minor exceptions, those Polls have continued to slump.
      OK, Gillard’s personal popularity got a bit of a hike when Obama was here. He’s gone, She got nothing from the visit of the Danish Crown Prince & Princess & it is very doubtful, if indeed anyone bothered to tune in, she will get any benefit from her appearance at the ARIA awards. Our Kylie’s body-language said it all!
      Those damned Polls were the sole reason Gillard & Howes gave for ousting Rudd.
      The CO2 Tax, the Half-Passed Mining ProfitsTax are really the only two things Gillard has gone anywhere near fullfilling her promise that 2010 was her year of Achievement or somesuch nonsense.
      Going to Hawaii for, I’ve quite frogotten the reason, some talkfest was hardly an achievement.
      Kissing, cuddling, waist-hugging & simpering whenever Obama was near was not, other than embarrassing for us to see our Prime Minister behaving as she did, an achievement
      Allowing US troops to set up a rotating, but permanent, base on Australian soil was not an achievement. It was a betrayal of our Sovereignty.
      Given the ALP Primary Vote has now dropped to 30% - or maybe below even that - why has the ALP & Paul Howes not moved against Gillard?
      She has been, politically, a total disaster.
      No matter how intelligent, how smart, how clever, how decent a person she may be there is no getting away from the fact that, politically, she has been nothing less tnah a strong dose of Arsenic for the ALP.
      by the way, isn’t it time Paul Keating shut up?
      Does anyone, other than himself, care what he thinks now?
      He had his chance. He stuffed it. He was dumped by the electorate & left the in-coming Federal Government with, at the time - though it fades to insignificance when compared to the $250+ billion debt Rudd & Gillard have created- an almost insurmountable Federal Government Debt.
      All former politicians should simply shut up & wallow in the massive, undeserved Parliamentary Pensions they engineered for themselves.

    • James Hunter says:

      04:33pm | 28/11/11

      liberal stooge

    • Tony H says:

      06:36pm | 28/11/11

      You tell him James! By the way, which of the following Labor core constituencies do you belong to?
      1. Dole bludger
      2. Full time arts/humanities student (glorified dole bludger)
      3. Public servant
      4. Trade union employee
      5. Labor party staffer
      6. Disability benefits recipient in a “mental health” category
      7. None of the above, but your farva and gran farva voted for layba pardee so you is gunna vote for layba. eh!

    • H Tony says:

      07:22pm | 28/11/11

      You tell him Tony H.  By the way, which of the following Liberal core constituencies do you belong to?
      1. Tax evader
      2. Full time Medicare defrauding doctor
      3. Liberal party research assistant
      4. Cosy “business consultancy:” shareholder value rip-off merchant
      5. Liberal party staffer
      6. Agrarian socialist - privatise the profits and socialise the losses
      7. None of the above, but your farva and gran farva voted for liberal pardee so you is gunna vote for liberal. eh!

    • PaxUs says:

      12:39pm | 28/11/11

      Looks like Gillard’s lizard tongue has been revealed. (see photo)  It’s mostly green with two bands of red, a streak of yellow and bit of blue for those of the Blue Brotherhood.  The only ‘reform’ required is the same as the fate that Socrates suffered.  A cup of hemlock.  No disrespect to Socrates intended.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      12:42pm | 28/11/11

      Persephone, where are you?
      Being the staunch ” ALP at Any Cost” supporter you ar,e I would have thought you might have had a wod or three to say!
      Too hot in the kitchen, is it?

    • HTFU says:

      12:45pm | 28/11/11

      Hell Im happy to throw $50.00 in the ring towards the removal retirement fund of Gillard, Rudd, Brown, Slipper and Abbot. All five are well past their use by dates, They have pissed us all off enough and done enough public hours to qualify for huge parliamentary lifetime pensions. History will show the Rudd/Gillard and Abbot years to be the very worst in Australian political history more so than the ejection of Whitlam.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      01:30pm | 28/11/11

      ALP conference? who cares!

      why is nobody at the punch doing a piece on climategate II emails?

    • Paul says:

      02:16pm | 28/11/11

      Because you can’t make a souffle rise twice.

    • Alf says:

      08:40am | 29/11/11

      @Paul.

      Do you mean climategate, ot the ALP souffle?

    • Paul says:

      01:54pm | 29/11/11

      @Alf   Learn to read.

    • luke09 says:

      01:38pm | 28/11/11

      The ALP convention won’t amount to much change for the party. Kevin Rudd’s idea of greater party members involvement will not get a look in. It would to lead to further disarray for the ALP especially is it was to lead to lesser union influence.

      The unions like them or not give the ALP it’s main strength which is solidarity even if their policies are failures in the making.

    • Beast of Brisbane says:

      01:47pm | 28/11/11

      Change has to come from outside the ALP - there are too many self-interested hacks.  No one of note to mention there - journos need to look to new generations of leaders.

    • Cameron says:

      02:00pm | 28/11/11

      And here I was thinking that Kevin Rudd was a control freak, who wanted all power at the top, rather than “grass roots”!

      Great to see a bit of flexibility from the old fellow.

    • Rachel Laurel says:

      03:26pm | 28/11/11

      When is The Office Christmas Party? Before or After Labor?

    • Rachel Laurel says:

      03:55pm | 28/11/11

      Is it an ALP Conference or an ALF Con ference?

    • Chris says:

      04:21pm | 28/11/11

      It is a Union Conference - nothing else need be said

    • Holly says:

      05:48pm | 28/11/11

      When is the media going to start pointing out that the only people who want Rudd returned to PM position are coalition voters.  Just as the overwhelming number of people who would prefer to have Malcolm Turnbull as PM rather than Tony Abbott are Labor and Green voters.  However there has been a trend of late to leave the Malcolm Turnbull question off the polls lest Tony Abbott and Coalition voters get to see the hollowness of their gloating.  Meanwhile the media does not want to let rational interpretation spoil their lazy stories.

      Well I suppose Labor have one over the Liberal conference in that we already know who the president of the Labor party is, so we wont have a last minute act of treachery by the party leader a la Tony Abbott and Nick Minchin.  Got to hand it to the Coalition and Tony Abbott - serial backstabbers.

    • Holly says:

      05:50pm | 28/11/11

      Oops that should have read Peter Reith - now serial white anter a la Rudd..

    • Jan says:

      09:48pm | 28/11/11

      Get a life you pathetic Liberal supporters and get some decent reading instead of being brainwashed by the Telegraph.  The Government i doing a great job we have never been better off. Julia Gillard will be known as one of the best Prime Ministers of Australia.  Its the old male thing and it is disgusting to hear the name calling and personal attacks on the Prime Minister.  Go Julia.

    • Bill says:

      10:27pm | 28/11/11

      Thank you very much Jan for giving me the biggest laugh I’ve had all day! Gillard one of the best PMs we’ve ever had? Are you on drugs or are you just ignorant?

      Julia Gillard will go down in history as the WORST PM we’ve ever had (even worse than Whitlam).

      As for your tired and predictable claim that Gillard is only being attacked because of her gender - words fail me.

    • youdy beaudy says:

      06:07am | 29/11/11

      Hey everyone. Having a nice day are we?!!. I understand the disappointment that many feel regarding the labor party and Julia gillard. You all want you man Tony Abbott in the job, but I don’t think that Tony Abbott is good enough to do the job. I think that they would be better off with Malcolm Turnbull in the seat. I think he is the best one there and his talents are being wasted.

      I am a Labor voter and have always been but would swing as well if the Liberals ran someone like Malcolm as their leader. Abbott is a lost cause and if he were the PM he would drag this country back into the dark ages. The Liberals have no policies that would suit me and seem to spend most of their time opposing even good policies only because for them it is not the interests of the Australian people they serve, but just the noticeable fact that they feel that they are the only ones that are born to rule.

      As an Australian Citizen and of course having equal status and equal opinions as the others, my feeling is that abbott doesn’t even come close to having the ability to represent me. I think the Liberal party should kick him to the curb asap and let the better man run it.

      As far as Julia Gillard goes, i personally admire her toughness on issues that she brings forth that are important for the future of our country. She, since being placed in her position by a legal vote of her peers, has had to put up with the constant harrassment and slander of her name and her partners by people who really haven’t got the same kind of intelligence needed to do the job. If some of you dissenters think that you can do it better then have the guts of your convictions and join up and stand up or shut up for good. You all have the right to run for office if you can get the support.

      I think she has done quite a good job under the trying circumstances that she has to deal with and has fought for changes and won many. We have to respect her tenacity, don’t we?. I think she is a good prime minister, has the broader interests of the nation at heart but because she is a woman does it hard in the job.

      The Liberal party has no one except Turnbull. The rest of them are whingers and complainers and have absolutely no policies that are consistent with moving of this nation forward. We have to remember that many Australians, families included are doing it hard at the moment, but this is not Julias fault. She inherited as did Rudd the social failures of the Howard Nationalist Socialist Party. So, she has to take the blame for that.

      Labor has always been good in the areas of social reform and futuristic type policies, so many of their changes they bring in we have to wait for. The country has to move forward to continue. Inequality has to removed. The Liberal party stand for none of this. Where are Tonys policies. Hey Tony, where are your policies?!!!. What policies do you have for instance that can make the poor richer and not the rich richer.?  No, everybody, no policies and lots of opposition against people who at least, good, favourable, or not, have some that can change the balance.

      Now, Mr Kevin Rudd i think is a good well meaning bloke but i think he at the moment has a good job as foreign minister and this was given to him by Julia. Remember that he was not knifed in the back, he stepped down because he was unpopular at the time and it didn’t even go to a vote or contest his position regardless of what is said by the dissenters.So Julia was the best one to step up to the challenge and she has done it and done it well.

      People go on about how Abbott would be a better PM. But how can you know that when he hasn’t been in the job. Let him get the job, do it for a while and then you will know, otherwise you are just blowing it out of your arse end. It’s the same with the new speaker. You don’t have to crucify him before the fact, give him a go for a while and see. Our last speaker will be a hard act to follow.

      Anyway, i’ve put my piece here for what its worth. Our family like Julia and we think everyone should stop the slander and humbug.

    • lapun says:

      10:13am | 29/11/11

      For the Conference:  Save Griffith - legalise Pot!

    • youdy beaudy says:

      03:10pm | 29/11/11

      @ Lapun, good idea there. Did you know that they are or were recently doing a trial re the legalization of pot for medical in Nimbin. A 6 month trial i heard or read somewhere. There is enough evidence that using Hemp for medical helps with quite a number of chronic illnesses.

      Young people should keep away from it but older people no problem. Young people need to go out and be clear in the direction for their lives and build something for their future. Pot is not good for them, alcohol either. Alcohol is much worse as it is a narcotic. Marijuana is not a narcotic. The plant has been used as a healing herb and for religious ritual for thousands of years and is documented in chinese herbal and indian herbal treatises.

      Older people have already contributed to this country and have in other countries ,and really, when their bodies are suffering, then this herbal plant, and remember it is a plant, can bring some relief to their agonies. I agree with you that it should be legalized asap.

      Another thing about the hemp plant is that many things can be made from the fibres. You can buy clothing now, made from indian hemp. They can make a substance that is harder than steel from it that could be used in car manufacturing, rope, etc etc.Ther was something mooted from America where many states are legalizing for medical, that if they got the hemp industry going there in all its commercial values that it could in a short number of years wipe out the national dept and i think that they may be looking at that as well. If they are not then they should or we should, but it is a political football, although having much widespread support the governments not having the will to make the decision, are just pandering for the votes from the fringe groups as usual.

      This is what they do in Australia and elsewhere. Much time is wasted with inquiries and nothing gets done, then they put it in the too hard basket with all of the other too hard things. The Government should understand that the word Government means exactly that, and they should start governing properly and make the decision on this, after all it is only a stroke of the pen which makes something illegal into something legal.

      In Australia the are too many penalties for living here. The population is controlled. Not much different from a Stalinist state really and it doesn’t matter who is running it they are all tarred with the same brush when it comes to making even the simplest decisions.

      The legalization will happen as the issue is important for the people who suffer in reducing their suffering which is the duty of the health system.

    • Rick of the Dustbowl says:

      02:13pm | 29/11/11

      I’m glad it was only a party whistle you digitally inhanced in poor Julia’s mouth!

    • youdy beaudy says:

      02:39pm | 29/11/11

      Hey rick, well there you go. You just by your low inference there showed me and others that what i wrote is true. No wonder you live in the dustbowl. Maybe it’s a freudian slip on your part ole bean. You know what i mean.?!!!

 

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