Adelaide. It’s orderly, clean and quiet.

Phwoar, is that a pie floater?


Maybe too quiet.

Because somewhere behind the odd mix of plummy accents and mullet haircuts, some seriously nasty stuff happens.

Statistics show Adelaide has a fairly low homicide rate. Statistically it’s not the murder capital of anywhere.

Statistics be damned. Weird stuff happens in SA (and I recently heard an interesting theory about why the southern city can be more Wolf Creek than Wolf Blass).

The most recent spate of violence – the Kapunda triple murder and the killing of a market garden worker - is almost tame by comparison to historical events.

In the 70s two men in a strangely unbalanced relationship abducted, raped and killed seven young women. These became known as the Truro murders.

In the 90s we had the “Bodies in the Barrels” murders. 12 dead, most of them accidentally preserved in barrels hidden in a bank. Nasty, with a bit of torture and cannibalism thrown in for extra gruesomeness.

SA also has the Family murders, the George Duncan death, the enduring mystery of the missing Beaumont children.

And there are other disappearances, mass killings, bodies in freezers, and bizarre sex crimes.

Some Adelaideans get pretty upset about the murder capital moniker, while others take a grisly delight in the notoriety.

Meanwhile, one top mind says it is because South Australia was a free settler state – a status of which many are irritatingly proud – that we have such a gruesome history.

This theory, put to me by someone who ought to know (but didn’t want to be named), is that there is a grim hangover of those early, feudal days. When convicts elsewhere were forging a new life, but in SA the free settlers were laying claim to vast tracts of land, and looking around for people to serve them.

South Australia is still divided into the landed gentry and their underlings. It’s a classist society, one in which where you went to school is used as a measure of your worth until the day you die. Where there are Princes and Saints, and then the others.

But it’s also a small enough society that the Old Adelaide Families inevitably rub up against the poorer classes, those from whom they buy their drugs or their sex. Or who they pay for labour.

This deep resentment between the haves and the have-nots can turn deadly. A sense of entitlement on the one hand and a sense of being disenfranchised on the other.

Bevan Spencer von Einem was convicted of one of five murders known as the Family murders. The Family murders have spawned one of South Australia’s most enduring myths.

The story goes that some of the state’s most high-profile, high-society individuals were involved in the kidnapping, torturing and murder of young boys.

There are rumours that some sort of paedophile circle still exists, and there are more rumours about snuff films, porn, and famous faces at dodgy parkland gay beats.

It’s the idea of the rich and powerful slumming it, of their depravity and the way they inflict it on the less powerful that make it an enduring conspiracy theory.

This expert was telling me that he had enough faith in his theory to leave town, and take his children with him.

Anyway, just a theory. Got a better one?

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    • Eric says:

      05:04am | 18/11/10

      It’s the water. Have you ever tasted that stuff?

    • hdr says:

      06:48am | 18/11/10

      yes Eric I have taken the Adelaide waters and still do. bloody good stuff heh?

    • Aitch B says:

      09:05am | 18/11/10

      Just imagine how lousy Coopers products would taste without it!! smile

    • Infense says:

      09:38am | 18/11/10

      The water is great. Get over yourself.

    • Nick says:

      10:08am | 18/11/10

      Eric, although I am a born and bred South Aussie, I grew up in rural South Australia and have to agree. The water is disgusting. I’ve got my own water tank that solves my problems!

    • Schartos says:

      10:40am | 18/11/10

      A little experiment for those of you in Adelaide. Take a water bottle and fill it with tap water. Now freeze it. You will notice that their is about 50 - 100ml that will not freeze. Taste this un-freezable water, just a drop is all you will need. Pure chemical hell. I wouldn’t drink that stuff for quids.

    • Mike says:

      12:18pm | 18/11/10

      An expert who I spoke to (who can’t be named, as he doesn’t exist) can be quoted as saying “What a load of tripe”!  You get paid to come up with these “theories”? I want my 10mins back!!!!

    • FNQ says:

      01:12pm | 18/11/10

      I lived in Albury for a while and had a mate that would urinate in the Murray at every oportunity as he knew it would end up in the Adelaide water supply.

    • Zak says:

      01:39pm | 18/11/10

      Three words: Bad Boy Bubba

    • bob says:

      02:18pm | 18/11/10

      Body of two-year-old girl found in grass near Greenvale Reservoir

      Police are investigating whether there is a link between a burnt-out car and the death of a two-year-old toddler whose body was found in grassland in Melbourne’s north.
      Detective Senior Sergeant Dave Snare told reporters a post-mortem examination later in the day should determine the cause of the young girl’s death.
      But he said that burns were not apparent on the child’s body, which was discovered on a track off Somerton Road, Greenvale at 1.35am.
      He said police were looking to see if there was any connection with a car found burnt out and the death of the girl.
      “We are still trying to ascertain the relationship between the burnt-out car and the circumstances of the girl’s death,” he said.
      A 24-year-old Meadow Heights man has been arrested and is currently assisting police with their inquiries. A 23-year-old Campbellfield woman is also speaking to police.

    • Simon says:

      03:13pm | 18/11/10

      Best Wine in the World, Most affordable Housing, world class festivals, no road tolls, few immigrants, close to Kangaroo Island, great fishing, gateway to outback…Clipsal 500, Lance Armstrong - Pigs and Balls in the Mall - Go RADelaide

    • DR says:

      04:30pm | 18/11/10

      Overrated wine, bogans everywhere, highways that only go one way at certain time of the day, did i mention bogans everywhere. Yeah Radelaide!

    • AdelaideanThroughAndThrough says:

      05:14pm | 18/11/10

      As an Adelaidean myself, ‘Simon Says’ ; you had me agreeing on everything except the ‘few immigrants’ crack. My parents and I migrated to Adelaide from Malaysia in 1976 ... proud and loyal Australians and Adelaideans since then. All I can say, is you must be one of those ignorant, loud knuckleheads I used to serve in Jasmin’s in Hindmarsh Square.

    • Raimund says:

      06:23pm | 18/11/10

      Adelaidean good on you mate. Im sure however you will find any person who resents immigration only does so because of the criminal/hostile element and would think someone like yourself to be more than welcome.
      Its a bit rough to judge someone as a boneheaded thug because of one word used in a negative context though. Im sure you two would probably get along like a house on fire if you were to meet.
      Humans as a whole dont like other humans coming along and acting the goat in their backyard. Doesnt make anyone any less of a person for acknowleging that resentment.

    • me says:

      06:26pm | 18/11/10

      Yep it’s the water, gave me the runs the one time I went there.

    • Wolfgang says:

      10:01pm | 18/11/10

      DR, as much as I loathe bogans, I still prefer bogan ghettos to the type we have in Sydney’s ‘enriched’ ‘burbs. If I have to choose between the caucasian yobs and third world yobs - I will choose the former as they are harmless(if uncultured) by comparison. Give me Cronulla over the western suburbs. Though I would prefer neither.

    • gabrial says:

      04:38am | 19/11/10

      if you think adelaide is dangerous thn you should go to broome in WA , people are getting out of this town cos they gt beaten up robbed and in 1 week 22 houses got broken into. its the most unsafe place in australia

    • Cyn says:

      03:44pm | 22/11/10

      What’s your point Bob?

      FNQ very funny!!!

    • Adelaide Hills says:

      05:12am | 18/11/10

      A fairly pathetic and tenuous theory if there ever was one,built upon one line of unobserved and vacuous non fact.  Have you nothing more than this to occupy your mind, dear thing.

    • Eastern Suburbs says:

      07:51am | 18/11/10

      Adelaide is where you end up when you can’t cut it in Perth because driving a truck around a mining site for $150k pa is too challenging for you.

      Perth is where you go when you can’t even get a real job in Brisbane.

      Brisbane is the poor bogan cousin of Melbourne for people that like to wear flouro shirts.

      Melbourne is where you go when you simply can’t cut it in the big league (as far as Oz is concerned) of Sydney and decide that you can’t make it front-of-house so might as well work back-of-house because companies keep those operations there because pay-roll taxes are less.

      The only place to go after Adelaide is Darwin, Newcastle or Wollongong…...the horror…....the horror…....

    • ex Canberran says:

      08:46am | 18/11/10

      Eastern suburbs, this is a hilarious post. I’m just wonderign where Canberra sits on your list?

    • Geo says:

      09:18am | 18/11/10

      Eastern Suburbs, you’re an idiot. Perth has more and better jobs going than Brisbane, and i would know, im from Brisbane. Melbourne and Sydney are the armpits of Australia, you might as well live in Tokyo if you enjoy living there.

    • richo says:

      09:24am | 18/11/10

      The bid league of Sydney…I don’t know,  my family ended up in Sydney because they stole bread in England.

      All city’s where AFL rules are scary. Fact.

    • NS Welshmen says:

      09:40am | 18/11/10

      richo@ I thought AFL rules every where.

    • Jeremy says:

      09:40am | 18/11/10

      Richos AFL comment is bewildering. I have seen the people from Far North Qld. Lots of them are nice. But many of them are primitive.

    • Steve says:

      10:34am | 18/11/10

      This is a ridiculous story. I thought journalisim was about facts not vibes. Seems Adelaide is where bad journalists go to die.Im from Adelaide and i live in Perth ....because its easier digging graves in sand dunes

    • richo says:

      11:06am | 18/11/10

      I didn’t mean to turn this into an AFL rules the world argument. I was just meaning that I have seen a large crowds of AFL supporters and I constantly hear how Melbourne is so European and cosmopolitan, yet the AFL fans seem boganish and crude.

      Having been to every major city in Australia, and remember this is just my opinion, I have to say Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth have the highest rate of bogans , followed by Brisbane with their Broncos supporters, then Sydney and everyone I met in Canberra was a public servant that would bore a coma victim to sleep.

      Once again I state that this is my personal opinion, that where AFL is popular, bogans seem to flourish. Maybe if you haven’t noticed it, it’s because you live in those cities, follow the AFL and may in fact be a bogan. If you or someone you know feels as though they may indeed have bogan tendencies, seek help now.

    • Eastern Suburbs says:

      12:22pm | 18/11/10

      Canberra is full of public servants and politicians…..nuff said

      @Geo
      If your idea of a job is digging holes in the ground and flogging it off to China at whatever price they’ll pay then good luck to you. Some of us prefer to use our intellect.

      @Richo
      My family ended up in Sydney for the same reason. You stay in Sydney because:
      1) You hate the weather in London, Tokyo and Moscow
      2) You don’t like chicks who are heavily into Hello Kitty because you don’t like the idea of banging a 12 year old (Asia)
      3) You don’t want to be surrounded by cheese-eating surrender-monkeys (Paris)
      4) You don’t want to be surrounded by overweight cheese-in-a-can-eating war-mongers who elect the stupid son of a former President (New York)
      5) NZ….no….just no

    • Big Errol says:

      01:33pm | 18/11/10

      Eastern Suburbs has left out the bogun location of Australia which has the greatest concentration of riff-raff to be found anywhere, “The Gold Coast”. The failures, murderers, rapists, thieves and paedos of Adelaide and other locations flock to the GC. It is the bludgers capital of Australia where the culture of ripp-off abounds in every trade and occupation. The “fuglies” and missing links of this nation can be found there in droves. Go there at your peril.

    • kyzz says:

      02:16pm | 18/11/10

      @Big Errol if the GC is the rip off capital of the nation why doesn’t it feature on Today Tonight or ACA more often?

    • Big Errol says:

      02:37pm | 18/11/10

      @Kyzz, Now there there Kyzz. I think you’re a wee bit sensitive about the GC. It just so happens that Adelaide is a far more exciting venue for TV journalists with their weird and wonderful orgies of murder and mayhem. They’re are not about to waste any time on another story about some bloke fixing a roof leak for some poor old lady on the GC and, after finding a small leak,  putting his boot through the rest of the roof and telling her he’ll have to replace the whole roof at enormous cost!

    • Reg says:

      04:30pm | 18/11/10

      Jeremy the few primitative in North Queensland are the carnies that get left behind when the side-shows go South again after the winter.

      Now let’s tell ‘em again, it’s Cairns, not Cans.

      Florida has the same thing you know. They all live under the bridges and highways.Just as Tacoma is the serial-murderer capital of the US, Adelaide has something to aspire to. Perhaps SA is the Brazil of failed Continental Anarchists of the late 1800s, early 1900s. “Let’s not leave a stone unturned, the facts are there somewhere dear Watson”..

    • Tim says:

      05:33pm | 18/11/10

      Wow Eastern Suburbs,

      Your therapist will retire in his mid 30’s, having not resolved any of your issues, but he doesn’t care, you paid for the yacht!

    • tascott says:

      08:25pm | 18/11/10

      i’m amazed there’s been no mention of gosford in the bogan-off

    • iansand says:

      05:48am | 18/11/10

      It’s simple.  There’s nothing else to do.

    • Paul says:

      05:57am | 18/11/10

      Went to the wrong school, did we?  Bless.

    • Jim says:

      06:18am | 18/11/10

      I had to once stay overnight in Adelaide en route to Olympic Dam…I got hungry around lunch time and went looking for a place to eat. I stepped out of the hotel and the street was totally empty except for 4 people. One was dressed in camouflage and doing commando rolls every time a bus drove past. One was yelling at a couple of disinterested pigeons, saying how he’d f*ck them before eating them. One was taking a leak against a traffic light pole. And the fourth one simply dropped a garbage bag he was carrying and stared at me.

      I ate at the hotel.

    • Justin says:

      07:32am | 18/11/10

      Port Power supporters on their way to Football Park?

    • Lucy says:

      08:24am | 18/11/10

      Hahaha. Epic.

    • Charlie says:

      09:23am | 18/11/10

      Gawler?

    • Marc says:

      12:27pm | 18/11/10

      Hi Jim,

      I don’t usually crack up laughing at forum posts, but you did it for me.
      Top stuff mate!

    • Vinny says:

      12:55pm | 18/11/10

      Cheers Jim, I laughed so hard a little bit of wee came out!

    • Big Errol says:

      01:42pm | 18/11/10

      I’m still laughing Jim!!!!

    • Kaz says:

      07:16pm | 18/11/10

      I’m surprised you even left the Hotel, I wouldn’t have!  I grew up in SA, occasionally going to Adelaide…It used to be lovely, clean, friendly but holy smokes, now it’s scary, it’s a pit, full of crazy people who you can’t trust not to be thinking about doin’ ya in!  Okay, well maybe that’s harsh but it really is a hell of a place…Unfortunately I ended up in Mildura, bogan nightmare!!!  I am hoping to get out soon, now just where to go????  PS My Uncle travelled from Vic to SA and first comment was “thanks for makin’ me come to the murder capital of Australia”...hmmm

    • Liz says:

      06:19am | 18/11/10

      There’s nothing like a bit of Adelaide bashing on a boring day is there? Most of those murders didn’t happen in Adelaide but in the country if you want to be strictly accurate.So nothing nasty happens in Victoria or NSW like a bloke being shot in front of his children or ongoing vendettas etc?You can theorise all you like but none of what has happened has to do with class, some it seems to be about homophobia and psychopathic paedophilia but you can get that anywhere and do.

    • Shelby says:

      08:58am | 18/11/10

      Liz, true things do happen in Vic and NSW and all over the world.  But what happens in Adelaide is WEIRD.  Jim, I live in Adelaide and what you experience I see everyday, working in the city.  I am working out how I am going to leave this lame State.

    • Big Errol says:

      02:10pm | 18/11/10

      I think you defenders of Adelaide have never gotten over the fact that you missed out on grabbing the Herman Rockerfeller murder headlines which definitely had strong overtones of Adelaide all over it.

    • Front window says:

      05:12pm | 19/11/10

      With you on this, Liz.
      The “piece” is a variant on the same quiet news day opinion piece that has been doing the rounds since before little Tory was even thought of.
      Maybe she was keen to get out to lunch?
      The saddest thing is that Adelaide’s media environment is so badly stripped out that kids like Tory think her line is all brand new - and worse, there’s no-one left working for Murdoch to ask her to try a bit harder for some original thoughts.
      It looks really lazy and is perhaps an indicator that the ideas have all run out at the Punch.
      Next thing we’ll be reading about the Horrors of Hindley Street.
      There’s a stack of old argument-supporting murders she missed, by the way.
      Stuart Pearce, anyone?
      That might require someone over 21 to recall it. 
      When are the salary reviews up, kids?

    • Faz says:

      06:28am | 18/11/10

      I just don’t quite get this article.

      Is it trying to be funny? It doesn’t quite work on that level given we’re dealling with a murder so horrible and so recent and, even if you discount that because you live outside of SA and you don’t give a toss, it still just doesn’t work as humour because, for example, you have to suspend your disbelief and pretend that Snowtown is an outer suburb of Adelaide.

      Is it trying to be serious? At the beginning you admit you’re not dealing with facts (unusually candid for a journo). Then you transition from Adelaide, in particular, to South Australia in general. For those not familiar, counting murders in Kapunda, Truro and Snowtown as part of a theory about Adelaide is like doing the same about Sydney for murders that happened in Newcastle, or Melbourne for murders that happened in Geelong.  I’m a little suprised that you didn’t include murders in Broken Hill, Mildura, Alice Springs, Eucla and Horsham for good measure—after all, it’s only geographical convention.

      I can only assume that the pressure of deadlines and an overdose of coffee (or something) brought this on.

      When you wake up and re-read you might be slightly embarrassed. I’d go straight to your editor and demand to know why s/he let this one through.

    • Ruddiger says:

      09:09am | 18/11/10

      While I agree with you about it not really being funny. I’m pretty sure that Snowtown was just the venue for the body disposal, the murderers lived and “worked” in the Salisbury area I think.

    • Matt says:

      09:11am | 18/11/10

      Hey Faz, you do know that only one of the Bodies in Barrels was actually murdered in Snowtown? That the murderers (and victims) all came not from Snowtown, but from Adelaide.

      Poor old Snowtown has a undeserved notoriety after the murders because people like you try and foist off essentially Adelaide crimes on to them. Shame.

    • Adelaide born and bred says:

      09:20am | 18/11/10

      I have to agree. It’s like the author has decided that SA is the only state or territory in Australia that has murderers and paedophiles. Never mind Kiesha Abrahams, still missing in Sydney. Daniel Morcombe in Brisbane. The entire 90s with the Morans and Carl Williams…seriously, this author needs to holiday in Adelaide and see exactly what we have to offer.

    • Romli065 says:

      10:46am | 18/11/10

      I agree Faz.  This article is absolute drivel and rubbish.  Fancy picking on beautiful little Adelaide!  Tori and many of her cohabitants in other cities, particular the Eastern states, will be wishing they lived in Adelaide when the can no longer afford to survive over there with the rising cost of property and living.  I’ve live in Adelaide almost my whole life and I wouldn’t dream of living anywhere else.  It’s the perfect city - not too big, not too small, the hills on one side and beachs on the other, lovely wine regions and a myriad of festivals - what’s not to love? Shame on you Tory.

    • PolarBear says:

      12:00pm | 18/11/10

      @Adelaide born and bred:
      While we’re getting technical, Daniel Morcombe wasn’t abducted from Brisbane, he was abducted from Nambour on the Sunshine Coast - a good 2 hour drive from Brisbane. Just saying.
      Also, what is there to do in Adelaide exactly? The only people I know who have ever been there can’t wait to escape, and do so by heading to the Barossa and drinking copious amounts of wine in an attempt to erase the visit to Adelaide. Myself included.

    • Kaz says:

      07:34pm | 18/11/10

      The murders were done in Murray Bridge…around the corner from where my Nan lived, about 4 houses I think…we could have been eating our tea and somebody was probably being murdered!  It is a state of bizarre happenings, Murray Bridge has been kinda let off and Snowton has copped it.  They did travel to and from Adelaide via the South Eastern Freeway.  Kapunda is nothing to write light heartedly about but memory eventually turns to history and our ability to deal with these things sometimes comes out in a light hearted way, hence the article I think.  What happens is so incredibly horrific that sometimes we deal with the impact of knowing there are such vile happenings in the World in a variety of different ways, sometimes the judgement of individuals isn’t the best but I doubt any journo or decent person would think for a minute that there was anything light about the Kapunda murders.

      Take it from somebody who was eating dinner while 4 houses down somebody was being tortured and murdered, Adelaide has it’s share of bizarre crimes but I guess everywhere in Oz there are some crazy stories to hear.

    • RotternWorld says:

      06:29am | 18/11/10

      This is the modern World ! We have a lot of high -rise buildings, all the teachers/principle get high pay, Government servent (definitely not Public) have fat pay, but the culture is gone like the third world’s Forest, and our kids are full of happiness ( got all sorts of toys, TV, learn how to kills to get happy, how to rob to get rich, ....).

      To have this rotten leaders to run the society, what to you expect ?

    • T.Chong says:

      07:53am | 18/11/10

      Geez Rotten:
      1 ) Hi rises - yes they exist in “big"cities, have done for aprox 100 yrs-
      very functional , mostly, to have some type of centralised HQ, whether corporate or public.
      2)äll principals…” . Maybe their awards or workplace agrement has something to do with that, ( dont know about the “high pay"claim.)
      3)” Govt servent.. (definitely not public)  WTH? Police , Health etc not for public ?, and again state employees have award strucures with “fat pay” ( a view not shared by many in the PS ) based on the qualification etc of the employee.
      4)Culture gone…3rd world forests” - while 3rd world forests may be endangered, on what do you link it to Oz culture?  Our culture is vibrant and strong. Southern Cross tattoos and bogans a plenty can be found evey where - even Dame Hanson is staying put in Oz. ( no farewells)
      5)” Our kids are full of happiness” and this is bad ?
      there are some violent toys,( but not exclusivley) - this trend started when kids first played cops and robbers, ie since society began.
      6) “rotten leaders”- yes, well that always seems to be the case thru history, anywhere, at any time, but whats your alternative?

    • sick of it! says:

      06:34am | 18/11/10

      The rate for the current human society is 2A, 3C and 1D, 1G, 1M

      —Adultry, Alcohol,
        Cigrates, Crime, Computer
        Drugs
        Gambling
        Money

    • iansand says:

      08:09am | 18/11/10

      If I recall coorrectly there are no 3Ws.  Not a wild wild woman in sight.

    • Phil says:

      07:07am | 18/11/10

      Should never have taken the F1 Grand Prix off them. If they lose cricket and the Port Dolphins that’s it. There will be nothing of interest in Adelaide at all.
      The weirdness is a result of sheer bloody boredom. Arcane theories of Establishment homo/erotic or paedophilic clubs are fantasy. Try spending a weekend there without leaving the city. Makes Benalla on Sunday look good!

    • Faz says:

      07:36am | 18/11/10

      See what happens, Tory?

      You set the bar of credibilty and evidence so low that anything goes.

      Adelaide is the murder capital of Australia (the world?) because ... er .. in the 60s ... er ... all I could get were two cold pies.

      At least that was funny!

    • Shelby says:

      09:01am | 18/11/10

      Don’t forget the Pandas.  Sigh.

    • Infense says:

      09:46am | 18/11/10

      Adelaide is a great place. There is plenty to do. Tour down Under bike race with Lance Armstrong, Adelaide Festival, Fringe Festival, Cabaret Festival, Barossa Valley and McLaren Vale Wineries, beautiful Botanic Gardens, Monarto Zoo, some of the best beaches for surfing or swimming, numerous restaurant and cafe strips, fabulous parklands, Australia’s nicest Cricket Oval…

    • Dave says:

      07:18am | 18/11/10

      We just like being different!!

    • Dave says:

      07:21am | 18/11/10

      And drinking Chianti!! Where are the fava beans?

    • Aitch B says:

      08:04am | 18/11/10

      @Dave

      And your problem with Chianti is?...........

      A good Chianti would eclipse many of the mainstream Australian ‘quaffables’.

    • kyzz says:

      09:28am | 18/11/10

      @aitch B, not sure if you read or watch movies I believe it was a reference to Robert Harris’s Silence of the Lambs. Hannibal Lector enjoyed the liver of an orchestra member with chianti and fava beans. Dave may have possible been insinuating about cannibalism, as opposed to making fun of the quality of chianti.

    • Aitch B says:

      10:06am | 18/11/10

      @kyzz

      Gotcha…... thanks!

    • nicholas says:

      11:09am | 18/11/10

      @kyzz… it wasnt an orchestra member thats who they were eating when he was wounded and captured (read/see red dragon). he tells agent starling that a censes taker once tried to take his details and thats who’s liver he ate. (this was after agent starling gave him the documentation on the case).

      And never been to adelaide but I’m sure just lijke every city and town in the world it has its filfhy underbelly.

    • kyzz says:

      02:19pm | 18/11/10

      @nick thanks, I haven’t read the books for a while, just trying to explain what dave was referring to.

    • Retired Soldier says:

      07:25am | 18/11/10

      I drove from Melbourne to Adelaide on Christmas Day back in the mid 1960’s. We searched the city for a lunch time feed and had to settle on two cold meat pies for Xmas lunch.I was forced to stay in a hotel there two years ago and the food wasn’t much better than the cold pies i had in the 60’s. I also wonder is any genuine Aussies live in this State. It might be a nice place if one didn’t need to eat and ask for directions.

    • Unbelievable says:

      09:29am | 18/11/10

      It was Christmas day and you hadn’t booked anywhere, then were annoyed because you couldn’t find a place to serve you lunch?  In the 60’s.  Wow.

      Adelaide has awesome restaurants. And they don’t cost an arm and a leg like Sydney ones.

    • Mel says:

      07:30am | 18/11/10

      i would beat money on the fact that all of the people speaking in defense of Adelaide no longer live there and have de-camped to either Sydney or Melbourne where they’ve formed their tight little private school cliques!

    • Faz says:

      08:41am | 18/11/10

      I’m in, Mel. How much?

    • Jayne says:

      01:20pm | 19/11/10

      I live here and I love it. I also went to a rather nasty public school, am recieving a tertiary education and leading a successful and happy life. I have also travelled extensively around the world and Australia and would much rather live here. There you go, you just lost your ‘beat’ so where’s my money?

    • Tom says:

      07:33am | 18/11/10

      You’re wrong about the private schools. These days neither Saints or Princes has a waiting list, so it’s just a matter of coughing up the fees and they’ll let anyone in.

      The only really exclusive school in SA is Pembroke, which is both the most expensive and hardest to get into.

    • extasmanian says:

      07:43am | 18/11/10

      I was reflecting along similar lines yesterday…something awful or awfully gothic about that place…and the pretentiousness rivals the worst of the gang of bohemians in Hobart…which also has a very gothic vibe

    • Adrian says:

      08:07am | 18/11/10

      Dear Retired Soldier

      What’s a “genuine Aussie” anyway?

      Sincerely,
      Adrian

    • The Badger says:

      09:07am | 18/11/10

      A “genuine Aussie” has a southern cross tattoo on his neck, wears board shorts and drives a red ute.

      You can also tell a “genuine Aussie” by the woman walking by his side.
      Just look for the slag tag dancing on her “muffin Top”.

    • bella starkey says:

      08:17am | 18/11/10

      I read a great book recently about adelaide creepiness called City of Evil.

      Some seriously twisted stuff

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      08:19am | 18/11/10

      You don’t need anotehr theory, that one is fairly close. Adelaide has an evil undercurrent and has had for decades. 

      And everyone who has lived there more than 20 years knows who at least two or three of The Family are.

    • Nicole says:

      09:38am | 18/11/10

      Except that I have lived in Adelaide for 30 years and have no idea who any of The Family are.

    • chris says:

      10:26am | 18/11/10

      Pffft… and most of that is urban myth SP. I agree with you to a point. Every second person has a cousin whose next-door neighbour’s brother in law once drove a taxi that a couple of off-duty DSs sat in the back of and rambled on about The Family. Yawwn….

    • Front Page says:

      05:58pm | 19/11/10

      For God’s sake, Pimpernel.
      “The Family” concept was completely invented by NWS9’s 60 Minutes.
      The Family was invented during an earlier media scam, when Channel 9 was trying to prop up a failing media experiment borrowed from the US.  Sound familiar?
      There’s not even a firm link between those “linked” deaths.

    • Phill Hunt says:

      08:21am | 18/11/10

      Wow Tory, that could possibly be the most unoriginal article I’ve ever read.
      Do you actually get paid for that?

    • Kez says:

      01:39pm | 18/11/10

      Agreed - If you hadn’t got here before me, I’d have said exactly the same thing.

      Forget Adelaide bashing, this article lacked substance from the get go and despite being a mildly amusing premise the first time, about 30 years ago, now it’s just old. But we should know that Tory would be the last to actually write an interesting article on something newsworthy, leave alone tasteful considering the impetus for writing it (Kadina triple murders) is so fresh at the moment and completely horrific to boot.

      Oh well.

    • Kez says:

      02:03pm | 18/11/10

      Erm, of course I meant Kapunda… Y’know…

    • Matt T says:

      08:23am | 18/11/10

      They say that, in Adelaide, you shouldn’t take a shit while you’re at the office…just so you’ve got something to do when you get home.

    • Pete says:

      10:27am | 18/11/10

      So true Matt, or save it to decorate the streets of Port Adelaide.

    • Sara says:

      08:23am | 18/11/10

      Not sure about the causal link, but as a born and bred Adelaidean I’m happy to agree with class divide theory. I’d always thought Adelaide was an egalitarian kind of place… until I married an Old Red and got to see it from the other side.

    • Dan says:

      08:29am | 18/11/10

      Good thing you live in Adelaide, Tory. If you were from somewhere else, I’d suspect this was just another ignorant rant from an outsider (we don’t like them in SA). I too don’t get it. Are you trying to funny, ironic or something else? Having said that, some of what you write is true - particularly the social divide, usually characterised by whether you went to St Peters or Prince Alfred. And the place can be dead boring outside of office hours (and slightly boring during office hours).

    • Faz says:

      08:56am | 18/11/10

      Tory LIVES in Adelaide?

      Sheesh! I guess I might know two or three members of her family.

      @ Matt T

      That’s better! If you’re going to take the P (or, in this case, the Sh) out of a place, at least make it funny.

      @ Sara

      And you’ll never find a finer ‘Old Red’ than in Adelaide or McLaren Vale or Coonawarra or the Barossa ... all part of Adelaide, they are.

    • LittleG says:

      04:34pm | 18/11/10

      Unfortunately, Tory seems to be altogether too much like many of the Adelaidians I’ve met. I grew up less than an hour from Adelaide, and got into a uni course where every other student (aside from international or interstate students) promptly asked me which school I’d come from, and some (not all, I’ll admit) upon being told that I’d attended a country public school promptly decided I was a second-class citizen. These students would happily sit in traffic or cross town in an hour and a half, but the idea of travelling an hour out of town? Horror!
      Maybe I’m biased - but most Adelaidians I’ve met won’t travel within their own state further than the Adelaide Hills or the central Barossa towns, let alone know the relative location of Truro, Kapunda or Snowtown or what kind of communities they are. They’ll happily jaunt off to Sydney or Melbourne to rag on their home state in a desperate attempt to appear sophisticated and worldly, before returning to gush about the shopping and the nightlife to their envious acquaintance.
      That said, I would like it if Adelaide had better public transport, but I guess our roads are still too good to make it a worthwhile investment.

    • Tony Bee says:

      08:39am | 18/11/10

      Congratulations on trying to perpetuate a tired and ridiculous stereotype. Ugly murders occur in all parts of Australia.

    • Fr John Fleming says:

      08:42am | 18/11/10

      Retired soldier and Tory deserve each other. Prejudice without facts. Adelaide is interesting, great restaurants, the wine capital of Australia, and has no more weird murders than anywhere else if you do the research.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      11:05am | 18/11/10

      I disagree - other places have murders, Adelaide has the type of murders that could have come from a Stephen King novel

    • Roseman says:

      08:45am | 18/11/10

      Articles like this are written to rile Adelaidians up and get them to bite.  Don’t bite back.  All cities have their good points and bad points.  As an Adelaidian living interstate, there’s nothing better than some good old fashioned state vs state, city vs city banter.  The biggest issue people from Adelaide have is that they seem to think that Adelaide needs to be something that it isn’t.  Adelaide is not Melbourne or Sydney, so stop trying to be Melbourne or Sydney.

      Someone once asked me what is there to do in Adelaide, and I said pretty much the same as in Melbourne or Sydney but on a much smaller scale.  For every Adelaide bashing story, there is a Adelaide praising story, and the same would be for any city.

      Stop being so precious Adelaidians, and laugh along with the joke.

    • Faz says:

      02:55pm | 18/11/10

      But Roseman, it’s not funny ... really.

      If it’s humour, it’s in the context of a triple murder in a town OUTSIDE Adelaide but one that is none-the-less a little too raw to make light of. (I know there are no rules about pushing the humour envelope, but this really awful murder happened a matter of days ago.)

      But even raw humour would have worked if it had some plausibility about it, but it’s own internal logic is all over the place in a not-funny way.

      While I agree that Adelaide can be over senstitive about criticism, I don’t think you have to refrain from criticising rubbish in order NOT to appear sensitive.

      Now that I know that Tory actually lives here, I can only conclude that this was a devious attempt to keep the ill-informed or already-prejudiced from visiting. There’s merit in that, I suppose.

      BTW: Wolf Creek’s not in Adelaide either.

    • Adrian says:

      08:57am | 18/11/10

      Can someone please tell me when the underbelly series will be looking at all the drug trafficking, killings and police corruption of Adelaide? What those things happened in Melbourne and Sydney? Surely not!!

    • Reg says:

      09:42am | 19/11/10

      Yair-but Adrian I think the salient point is that Adelaide, (read SA to most Aussies) is a small quiet place, of good food and churches but with a disproportionate penchant for great violence of horrifying frequency. Probably…per capita… worse than the big smoke. Check it out, Sydney had 4,000,000 people and some nasty violence as well. How many people are there in the whole of SA? I’ve got no idea.

    • MsOphelia says:

      08:59am | 18/11/10

      Because heinous crimes, serial killings and grisly murders would never happen in Sydney and Melbourne… right?
      Pathetic attempt at sensationalist journalism, Tory - stick to writing for the (Adelaide) Advertiser.

    • Zeta says:

      09:05am | 18/11/10

      South Australia’s crown of ‘weird killing capital of Australia’ is a deceptive myth created by a quirk of Austrlian mass media.

      When you compare ABS statistics on perceptions of crime compared to Australian Crime Commission and state Bureau of Crime Statistics agency reports - you see that South Australia has a high perception of violent crime compared to a low actual instance of crime.

      This comes about because media reports of crime concentrate in areas with lower populations.

      There are a handful of places in Australia where the equilibrium between media outlets and population are skewed. You take Sydney - two metropolitan daily papers, 4 nightly news broadcasts, at least a dozen radio news station - but they’re spread thin, servicing about 3 million people. You go north, to Newcastle, you’ve got a daily newspaper, 3 radio news stations, a dedicated TV news broadcast - servicing a region of 500,000.

      The ability of the news outlets in Newcastle to report every crime that happens effecting those 500,000 people is higher than that of Sydney. Smaller crimes fall through the cracks. The reality is, that in NSW, not every one of the 100+ murders committed each year is reported on.

      But I bet my Amateur Criminolgist Club of Australia decoder ring that in Newcastle, they are reporting on every murder in their region. And it’s the same in South Austalia. You’ve got a major metropolitan paper and three television outlets reporting on a smaller population - so their capacity to report everything is increased.

      So if you turn on the news in Sydney, you might know about the most major crimes, but you might be ignorant of a couple of especially grisly domestic murders that happened the night before. If you turn on the news in Adelaide, you aren’t. As a result, the perception that Adelaide is a crime capital is increased, and that means local news elsewhere picks up their news because it’s more ‘news worthy’. Thus reinforcing the perception.

      The test case of course, is the Northern Territory. NT has more murders per capita of population than Sydney and Adeliade combined. You’re more likely to be murdered in the NT than anywhere else in Australia. But we don’t hear about them. Unlike the capital cities, well served by mainstream media, the Northern Territory relies on the Northern Territory Times - to give you an example, on the day Kevin Rudd was knifed, their front page was about a bizarre love triangle between a local lawyer and his assistant. On any given week, they run at least two pages of UFO sightings. They fail to report on the fact the Northern Territory is a murderous ghetto, and so no one really knows about it.

      I think it’s dangerous to go around perpetuating esoteric theories about why some areas have more murders than others, especially when more practical explanations are staring you in the face.

    • Tombowler says:

      11:23am | 18/11/10

      I’ll take that bet Zeta! I have been buying cereal like a mad-bastard trying to win another decoder ring but no such luck!

      I also think I’ll be subscribing to the NT Times- sex, law & UFO’s woohoo…


      But seriously flawless logic but you should also consider, from the criminologist perspective, the political situation in SA. The Rann government are ‘tough on crime’ and the word in respect to crime statistics will be handed to SAPOL from the Premiers department as required.

      If they want the rate to show an increase in successful prosecutions they under-report smaller crimes that are unlikely to be solved: for example: an assualt, theft and wilful property damage occurring in the same instance will be reported as only one of the offenses. Meaning there is 1 unsolved crime on the books. Should they actually stumble across the offender as they sometimes do, they charge with 3 crimes. The net result on the stats is that there are two “bonus” successful prosecutions to offset against other “unsolved crimes” when stats are compiled.

      It often works in reverse as well.

      This couples with the well-documented phenomenon of moral outrage in which the community becomes sure (largely due to the media) that they are living in increasingly violent times despite statistics suggesting steady drops in the crime rate.

      The media, as you pointed out love it and it’s not in the interests of Mr Law and Order Rann (who famously promised to ‘rack, pack em and stack em’ in respect to over-crowding prisoners) or SAPOL who get increased funding, equipment and legal powers to fight “the scourge of crime waves”.

      It’s a potent cocktail in a town where about 10% of the population spend their saturday evenings on hindley st while the other 90% compose emails to the sunday papers whingeing about it..

    • Romli065 says:

      01:00pm | 18/11/10

      Thank you Zeta.  An outstanding and logical retort to Tory’s attack on Adelaide. What’s surprising and awful is that I read she actually lives here! Don’t self-hate Tory, it’s so sad and pathetic :(

    • Schartos says:

      04:58pm | 18/11/10

      The Northern Territory is a murderous ghetto? Perhaps, if you are Aboriginal living in an Aboriginal ghetto. The vast majority of serious crime in the NT is committed by Aboriginals against other Aboriginals in Aboriginal communities. Take the prisons for example - the last statistic I came across was 82% Aboriginal. Tragically, some of them don’t even understand why they are there.

      It’s quite true though that the NT News (not Times) doesn’t report much on this. The paper is seen as a bit of a joke by everyone anyway. The paper seems to be in love with Crocodiles, but only just a little more than UFO’s - for now. I suppose to a Southerner this would perhaps be viewed with alarm or at least seem a little bizarre and hell, perhaps it is. But then again, the ABC, Seven, 9 and 10 news channels don’t report much on these serious crimes either, whether broadcasting locally or interstate and neither are they owned or influenced locally.

      I think you have a good point here Zeta but I also think your in danger of perpetuating another myth - for the most part the Territory is a beautiful and safe place to live or visit. I feel safer wandering those streets at night then I do in Adelaide or Melbourne for the most part, and I have lived in all three of these cities, though like any city, there are a few spots I would avoid and sadly, for the Northern Territory, they are mostly places with a high concentration of young Aboriginal men.

      P.S. Most Territorians are aware of this tragedy. They certainly feel some shame but the Federal Intervention isn’t exactly making a difference. Anyway, one would think the problem should transcend State lines, but it does seem a little easier to shunt off one of Australia’s biggest and most shameful problems to one of Australia’s least enabled governments… they are not even a State, after all.

    • sue says:

      12:16am | 19/11/10

      Zeta, lots of unsupported claims there. Can you back them up? Or are you willing to admit that NT is a murderous ghetto because overwhelmingly the murders are indigenous upon indigenous?

      Anyway, I have to admit we detoured through Snowtown a few years ago to take a photo of the bank because that story was so boganishly creepy. We couldn’t help ourselves.

      I wonder if any of them attended Unley High School?

    • Joanne says:

      09:11am | 18/11/10

      I want Adelaide to be the first Australian city to re-introduce the death penaty. Jail is a joke for these pshyco killers, The media hype up their murder sprees as legendery and turn the murders into heroes. There are some serious nutcases out there looking for a piece of spotlight. Enough is enough.

    • Jhondarc says:

      09:13am | 18/11/10

      I’m an Adelaidean by choice, not birth.  Isn’t it strange how Adelaide comes up with great ideas - Festival of Arts, Festival of Ideas, preformances of Wagner’s “Ring” series and even (not such a great idea in my view) a car race.  Then the other states come in, steal the ideas and replicate them.  For so many other states to imitate Adelaide we must be doing something right!

    • Ted says:

      09:16am | 18/11/10

      Hmmm…Jayden Leske, A child being thrown over the Westgate bridge, and today a child found on a train line, 2 people arrested for murder. Galngland murders everyday. There’s something weird about Melbourne….....Granny killer, Racist beach riots, Gangland murders everyday, whew, something weird going on in Sydney…...

    • Scorp says:

      02:06pm | 18/11/10

      Don’t forget Ivan Milat, now there’‘s a nice bloke, I believe it was the Back Packer Murders. Ivan Lived only 51 Km from Sydney althouighj the murders were in Belanglo Forest 130km from Sydney.

      Come on people, each state has there notorius crims. It only takes one one lunatic to chmage the status quo!

      Stupid Article. Shall we conmpare road deaths next?

    • Retired Soldier says:

      09:20am | 18/11/10

      Adrian says:08:07am | 18/11/10:
      Dear Adrian, if you don’t already know what a “genuine Aussie” is there is little point in me attempting to explain such a thing to you. We all have or theory on such things but you can bet your interpretation is different to mine.

    • Jason says:

      09:28am | 18/11/10

      It’s the German influence that does it.

    • Redmond says:

      02:11pm | 18/11/10

      Those Germans came from what is now Poland, and Poland is next to Belarus, and Belarus is next to Russia, and Russia used to be communist.  So I blame the Reds.

      Everything is controlled from Red Square in Hindley St.

      It’s a logical as any of the other crap here.

    • Pavlo says:

      09:41am | 18/11/10

      In your own words: “Statistics show Adelaide has a fairly low homicide rate. Statistically it’s not the murder capital of anywhere.”

      So what does that tell you? That we are not dealing with facts here. We are simply being presented with – and confronted by – your prejudice.

      Anyway, since you asked, “...just a theory. Got a better one?”

      Here’s my cluster of reasons that make a theory:
      - You couldn’t think of anything more interesting or clever to write about.
      - Adelaide is an easy target.
      - It’s fashionable amongst journalists to bash and deride Adelaide in particular, and more generally South Australia (by the way, it’s usually the Adelaide or ex-Adelaide ones who are most down on SA. Perhaps because they wish to distance themselves from their little old hometown – so they can feel better about themselves when amongst their eastern states peers).
      - Poor journalism appeals to a certain demographic
      - You conveniently forget to mention the numerous downright weird and nasty eastern states serial killers. Just for starters: Ivan Milat and Martin Bryant ring any bells?

    • James says:

      09:42am | 18/11/10

      Having lived in Canberra, Sydney, Adelaide and now Melbourne I can categorically say that Adelaide is the most delightful place I have ever lived - with Canberra coming a close second.

    • myne says:

      12:01pm | 18/11/10

      I just moved to Melbourne from Adelaide.
      I NEVER saw mattresses under bridge supports in Adelaide.
      Seriously, go for a wander down the path next to the Marrymybong river under Citylink if you want to see them.

    • Pete says:

      09:47am | 18/11/10

      I heard a theory re the family, the poms sent all there wierdo’s and pedofiles out to set up the Adelaide settlement as a way to get them out of England. They seem to be lingering on.

    • Infense says:

      09:53am | 18/11/10

      What annoys me most about this article is that there is no attempt to link the theory to the facts of any of the cases mentioned. Did any of those people murder ,  or disappear because of the so-called class divide? The Beaumont children, the so called Family Murders, Truro murders, Snowtown?  No. Tory should be kicked out of the state for leading the wolves to the state line with an article like this designed to unnecessarliy and erronerously portray Adelaide negatively.

    • Redeker Plan says:

      09:55am | 18/11/10

      Awesome. Next week I will be driving from Melbourne to Port Lincoln.  I have been debating the pros and cons of carrying a machete under the front seat. Decision made.

    • Faz says:

      04:20pm | 18/11/10

      Yep, Redeker, once you get past Horsham you can put the machete back in the boot.

      Don’t forget that you can also go faster when you cross the border.

      There’s a great cafe in Keith if your going that way and any number of great places in Adelaide. The cafe in the Arid Lands Botanic Gardens in Pt Augusta will give you a decent coffee and feed (much better than most Road House fare) and fuel you up for the long stretch down to Lincoln. Once you’re in Lincoln though, you may not want to come back.

    • dave says:

      12:28am | 19/11/10

      You won’t need a machete in Port Lincoln, you will need a fat wallet to mix with the locals. This is one very wealthy place full of interesting and friendly people who will never tell their stories. Port towns are like that.

    • M says:

      09:56am | 18/11/10

      Pretty poor to come in and pick on Adelaide. As mentioned above other states juts love stealing our ideas but when it comes to bad press you just love to pick on Adelaide. Lets look at murders and other nasty stuff in other states shall we?
      Again Adelaide by choice thanks

    • Nicole says:

      09:56am | 18/11/10

      Quiet news day then as it always seems to be when Adelaidians start discussing Adelaide! I have a girlfriend who is from Melbourne and lives in Adelaide… She always laughs at the way Adelaidians are so parochial ie when Australian Idol or some other show is on, the advertising in SA often says “featuring Adelaide girl…” She says that in Melbourne and Sydney they just dont do that and simply, just dont really care that much about Adelaide. That most of our competitiveness with them in one sided… But what we often talk about is the difference in perception between states. She thinks Adelaide is a beautiful state and loves her friends here and thinks there is plenty to do and loves that it is all so close and accessible (ie beach is close, vineyards less than an hour away etc). She cant understand why we are bagging ourselves for being boring or having nothing to do and why we somehow feel inferior to the rest of the country. And what stuns her the most in how much we talk about ourselves and how everyone else sees us and how worried we are about what everyone else is thinking about us… Because frankly if you live in Melbourne or Sydney, they generally aren’t worried about what other people think of them. For me, being Adelaide bred and born, having gone to the cheapest private school in the State and having worked in a variety of settings across the State, I have never once noticed the classist nature of society here, have never observed or known about any homo-erotic or paedophilia issues underlying the culture and nor have I witnessed or been victim of any crime. I think this entire article is just another example of Adelaide inward looking- which in my opinion is the prevailing cultural issue in this state… 
      So, in my opinion, firstly I think we should stop thinking, talking and worrying about what everyone else thinks of us… Secondly, I think we should embrace the really good things about each State and finally, if everyone else wants to bag Adelaide and leave because they are scared, how much more beautiful and pleasant it will be without them around…

    • Dash says:

      12:41pm | 18/11/10

      Hi Nicole, I’m Adelaide born and bred. And no suprise, I agree with you. Particularly about the inward looking. I think Adelaide people are way too parochial and overly defensive of the place. Perhaps due to a small mans syndrome.  It’s a beautiful place though. Great red wine. And I think Sydney is worse when it comes to a classist society.

    • anonymous says:

      12:42pm | 18/11/10

      having gone to the cheapest private school in the State I have never once noticed the classist nature of society here
      having gone to the cheapest private school in the State I have never once noticed
      having gone to private school never once noticed
      private school

    • rob says:

      10:01am | 18/11/10

      This was a terrible article, pretty much zero structure.
      I think you need to change the direction to the amount of serial killings, mass slayings that happen in South Australia…not Adelaide.
      Although the Snowtown murders occurred in Salisbury (i think!) except for the one bloke that was tortured and had a piece of his leg cut out (that his dad ate for dinner and said it was ‘a bit tough’), Kapunda and other country murders shouldnt be included as Adelaide, but as SA.

      I live in Adelaide, totally agree too many weird, multiple murders occurr here. Seems every time you turn the TV on there is another 5-6 people murdered.

    • Brett says:

      03:01pm | 18/11/10

      Seems every time you turn the tv on another 5-6 people have been murdered?
      So you watch tv twice a year?  Your comment is at the same high standard of the article itself…

    • brenton says:

      10:02am | 18/11/10

      It turns out that it is because the dole goes a whole lot further than it does in Sydney or Melbourne. If you hang around the East end for a while you will notice a net inflow of fringe dwellers from the Eastern states. Strangely it is also why Adelaide has prettier women.  I kid you not and its not just all the Italian girls - although that helps. The average girl in the average job has just that little bit more to spend on herself than her cousin paying Sydney rent, parking, tolls and prices.

    • Davida says:

      10:04am | 18/11/10

      Reminds me of a front page headline I once saw in the Toowoomba Chronicle…..“Toowoomba Cat Shot Dead”.  Feline murder capital of Australia anyone??????

    • Rob says:

      11:34am | 18/11/10

      Not at all

    • Thor says:

      05:39pm | 18/11/10

      Nothing wrong with a dead cat.  They all should be…

    • Kev says:

      10:10am | 18/11/10

      Pavlo is pretty much on the money I suspect. Adelaidean’s are sooo sensitive and parochial that they are an easy target. 
      Mention that they wear mullets and they are up in arms. Imagine the reaction you are bound to get by publishing a slightly distastefully timed article about the place being known for weird murders ?
      You are setting the bar pretty low really Tory. Its like taking pot shots and kindergarten kids. ( Oh hang on, that would be wierd ...)

    • C1 says:

      10:11am | 18/11/10

      Yes I appreciate SA has had its fair share of bizzare goings on but I have to respond to some of the misinformed comments from contributors. I will say that my formative years are in Adelaide (grew up in Central Qld), spent 15 years living in Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. I can say I have seen the other cities and their particular quirks and now I am back in Adelaide for work I can say the following:

      -A lot of things in Adelaide happen outside of the CBD. You go there to work and entertain somewhere else (although Rundle Street and Gouger Street are still busy into the small hours). There are a range of shopping and restaurant strips in the surrounding suburbs that mean you do not need to go into town.
      -Adelaide is one of the top 25 locations globally for conferences (due to proximity of hotels, airports, activities etc).
      -For my work I can take any one of three international airlines (not Qantas) on a daily basis from Adelaide and be in Singapore late afternoon and most places in Asia by late evening.
      -On a daily basis I can leave my work by 5.20 pick up my children from one of those terrible private schools and childcare and be home by 6.00 pm.
      -I can be at any number of coastal towns within an hour and a half (tops) as well as some of the best wine regions in the world within one hour of leaving my front door.
      I recognise it is quieter, opportunities are not as great in other parts of the country (particularly when you are younger), but open your eyes and enjoy it.
      I agree in Adelaide it is ‘what school did you go to’, but for Sydney it is ‘where you live?’ and in Melbourne it is ‘what does your Father do?’ - so we are all guilty of it in one way or the other.

    • Rob says:

      11:33am | 18/11/10

      Spot on, mate.

    • TimLP says:

      03:19pm | 18/11/10

      You can include Perth in the “where do you live?” category. Moved there in 04’ from Melbourne. It was the first question any new aquaintance asked. Very much a status thing.

      I lived in North Beach then moved to Mt Lawley. Good/Good

      But you would never admit to living somewhere like High Wycombe or Rockingham.

      Perth’s a truly beautiful city, but the “born and breds” have some class issues.

    • Marjorie says:

      10:25am | 18/11/10

      It saddens me at the lack of respect for the families and friends of the Rowe family. Let them grieve and bury their loved ones before articles like these are printed. These were good people, who did not deserve to die in such a horrible manner.

    • Matt says:

      10:28am | 18/11/10

      Regardless of statistics etc. I have to be honest and say that I always feel a little undercurrent of tension when I am in South Australia. This is entirely subjective of course, and possibly based on my preconceptions, but nonetheless the feeling is there.

      Despite the common link of Australian Rules football, Victoria and SA seem miles apart in social relations, with Vic, NSW and Qld all much more akin to each other. Whether it is because there was no convicts and no large scale Gold Rush (Mining in SA has always been more sedate than the Wild West diggings at places like Gympie, Young and Ballarat) I don’t know but South Australia just feels different - and dare I say it, a little un-Australian ...

      Even the tidy geometrical layouts of towns like Maitland on the Yorke Peninsula, with their squares and surrounding gardens all laid out like little Adelaides, starts to feel a little creepy.

      The large scale migration of working class Poms in the 1950s to places like Elizabeth may be an influence too (Inala in Brisbane has that sort of Adelaide vibe and it was another 1950s migrant suburb too)

      Alternatively, this could all just be prejudice on my behalf.

    • Ned says:

      10:28am | 18/11/10

      So when are we getting the CSI:Adelaide spinoff tv series?

    • Richard says:

      10:37am | 18/11/10

      What a truly pathetic article. If a journalism student offered that they would be kicked out immediately.  If that is what the Punch has to offer you can keep it.

    • Frank says:

      10:40am | 18/11/10

      That was the most pathetic Punch Ive ever read. Considering how bad Punch is these days…thats really saying something.

    • Jess says:

      10:47am | 18/11/10

      Read “City of Evil: the truth about Adelaide’s strange and violent underbelly” by Sean Fewster.

    • Jeeves says:

      10:47am | 18/11/10

      Adelaide people don’t kill family members…....
      They marry them!

    • Kaj says:

      10:49am | 18/11/10

      Zeta’s right on the money! - It’s a statistical thing, we actually have less crime per capita in SA - however, our size vs our media coverage ensures that our major crimes are more high profile.  True, the article covers some weird crimes - but those 4-5 cited cases are over the course of 50 years!....Fellow Adelaidean’s settle down - criticism and bagging is usually based on some form of envy…Just remember what we’re also known for - World renown wine regions, arts & music festivals, beaches, Adelaide hills, 7-day shopping-cafes-restaurants state-wide, Tour down-under, Clipsal. We may not have the constant frenetic pace of Sydney and Melbourne (our harshest critics) - but that’s kind of the point.  Some of the comments here reflect a pretty cliched, dated view of Adelaide - those us living here (aside from the obligatory teens desperate to leave for more perceived excitement) - realise how good our cost of living and lifestyle are…

    • Ziggy says:

      10:58am | 18/11/10

      Adelaide, it appears, could be your average South African city as it relates to weird and horrible murders. I spent a while on business in Adelaide and loved the place.

    • Calm down SA says:

      11:02am | 18/11/10

      Hang about - the main article photo and opening paragraphs refer to the movie Wolf Creek - based loosely on murders from NSW!!!

    • M says:

      11:07am | 18/11/10

      I knew this would happen. In fact I was telling my partner yesterday that I bet the tragedy in Kapunda would lead to another “murder capital of australia” article. Murders happen all over the country. Honestly, this is not news, this is a beat up. Show some respect.

    • Dave says:

      11:11am | 18/11/10

      A truly pathetic article that exhibits the poor editorial standards set by Adelaide’s only daily. Possibly this piece of journalism is attempting to present material of current interest or wide popular appeal, however it doesn’t adequately analyze or interpret any of the facts(?) presented - In my opinion this is yellow journalism that doesn’t reflect the severity of the crime or respect the feelings of those who may be affected, following such a horrendous act.

    • Bitten says:

      11:16am | 18/11/10

      It’s weird, but my perception is that Melbourne is the most violent capital city in Australia, and that’s only something that has arisen in the last couple of years. All the reports of random street violence - that makes me think ‘dangerous place’.

    • James Hunter says:

      11:16am | 18/11/10

      Well what can one say about a city which has in its midst “Veal Gardens” ?
      He he te te he.

    • vix says:

      11:22am | 18/11/10

      I have been to Adelaide and my experience there was enjoyable and positive.  I have also seen Wolf Creek and it rates amongst the top five of my most unpleasant movie experiences ever.  Don’t forget, dear readers, that there are weirdos everywhere, and bad things happen when good people fail to pay attention!

    • Canberra Cxnt says:

      11:25am | 18/11/10

      I’ve been to Adelaide a couple of times. Nice relaxing place.
      better than Canberra. The above theory, created by an unknown paranoid person, is exactly that… a theory.

    • AJ says:

      11:34am | 18/11/10

      *eye roll*

    • Romli065 says:

      03:50pm | 18/11/10

      Yep .. well “said” AJ.  And add to that a bored sigh as well.

    • KMT says:

      03:51pm | 18/11/10

      Same!

    • Fred says:

      11:40am | 18/11/10

      I was drinking at a pub near the markets in Adelaide, when I overherd a conversation between two young males wearing mullets.

      Mullet 1 - “Yeah, I was at a party last Saturday night and I got involved in a fight. Lucky, I was wearing my steel capped boots.”

      Mullet 2 - “Yeah, I always wear my steel capped boots when I go to parties, you never know when they will come in useful.”

      Adelaide party clothes = steel capped boots!!

    • Romli065 says:

      03:52pm | 18/11/10

      Yeh, if you’re of the feral persuasion.  This could hardly be considered the norm.  Don’t all cities have their bogan element??

    • MM says:

      11:50am | 18/11/10

      Yes, yes, Ivan Milat, Martin Bryant, etc….no one here is trying to say that Adelaide has any more murders than any other capital city and arguably, it doesn’t have any weirder murders. It’s just that that’s all it seems to be known for…
      As an ex-Adelaidean I can’t really stick up for the place because hey, I left to make a better life for myself once I finished uni (there were no career opportunities for me in Adelaide at the time). I haven’t gone back because that situation has not changed in 10 years.

    • xr370 says:

      11:59am | 18/11/10

      thats the kind of thinking a woman basher would think

    • Wynn says:

      12:07pm | 18/11/10

      I think it’s because we rarely hear about Adelaide otherwise- with other bigger cities there is plenty of other news reported which we then associate with them. I cant remember any news from SA that doesn’t include nasty/ weird crime? There’s just not that much going on (worth reporting on) relative to Melbourne or Sydney etc.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:08pm | 18/11/10

      I’ve lived in Adelaide for most of my life.  Been to most other Aus capital cities at least a few times each.  They’re pretty much the same but generally bigger and with a lot more traffic, more expensive, and with a few attractions I can see in a day or two whenever I feel like getting a cheap flight.
      If i’m missing out on something by not living there i’m not sure exactly what it is i’m missing out on.

    • Josie says:

      12:12pm | 18/11/10

      Adelaide the weirdo capital. Now that’s a number plate victorians would buy.

    • anti says:

      12:26pm | 18/11/10

      What a poorly written, poorly timed excuse for an article written by an ill-informed ‘journalist’. I am sure that the relatives and friends of the Rowe family are laughing at this one….oh and by the way, the picture used in this article is from the movie Wolf Creek which was based in WA and was inspired by a murder that occurred in NT….

    • MB says:

      02:01pm | 18/11/10

      the NT is still the Northern Territory of South Australia!

    • Daryl says:

      12:29pm | 18/11/10

      I was born in Adelaide and I am so greatful that my parents got me the hell out of there. It reminds me of NZ. Small man’s syndrome everywhere you go. Everything that is bad or wrong is because of the Victorians. As M said above, all the other states steal thier ideas! Any time S.A. lose at anything it’s because of the unhandedness of the rest of the country. The water is shit because of the Victorians. Balfours make the greatest pies on earth. Yo-Yo biscuts are he greatest and no one else has them. S.A. Great. The Mighty South Aussies. They have nothing but football and they are obsessed. The Victorians play negative tactics and deny them premierships. The local league was spoilt by the Victorians. Leigh Mathews destroyed Barry Robran’s career. 1963 is the only State of Origin battle worth discussing. The Adelaide oval is the greatest cricket ground in the world. It’s the most English, It’s the most planned, it’s the most wined. Oakbank has relevance??? Did I mention the free settlers?It’s the driest state on the driest continent, blah blah blah. I think it must also be the saddest place on the planet!

    • The guy who runs the pie cart says:

      04:45pm | 18/11/10

      you forgot the insiplidly disgusting From Cakes and $2 shop crap Fruchocs

    • St. Michael says:

      12:30pm | 18/11/10

      Julia Gillard originates from South Australia (after Wales) and has blood-red hair.  Further evidence for the theory?

    • James A says:

      02:01pm | 18/11/10

      Kevin Rudd

      Pauline Hansen

      A couple of ALP pollies in jail for child rape and fraud.

      I think Qld has SA well and trult covered.

      Next.

    • Beau says:

      12:32pm | 18/11/10

      As an Adelaidian I think its true that we do mass murders better than anyone else. We always throw in a little twist to put us in the ‘Masterchef’ category.

      On a serious note Tory is dead right that this town in controlled by the ‘Establishment’,  and its an unhealthy situation.  For example the old families control the commercial rental scene and quietly ‘agree’ not to ‘compete’ too hard. I once enquired about renting space on Fullarton Rd and discovered 4 of the 6 buildings I looked at were owned by the same Adelaide establishment family. So theres no price competition and no competitive advantage in offering a better standard of accommodation. Thats also why the architecture is so dull here.

      There are no ‘nouveau riche’ here so the the establishment grip on Adelaide is as strong as it was 150 years ago.

    • Pip says:

      03:48pm | 18/11/10

      Aha, that does explain a lot. To me Adelaide seems to have everything, but only one of everything, which may be why some (including me) find it boring. It’s turning into a lovely city tho.

    • Beau says:

      05:32pm | 18/11/10

      Actually a lot of these Adelaide establishment families barely even live here. They prefer to spend their time in more exciting places like Sydney, Perth or the Gold Coast where they have nice waterfront homes and business interests. They just come home occasionally to collect the rent like absentee ‘Lords of the Manor’. Very few people with serious wealth actually live here and they certainly won’t invest in the place. For example, our most expensive homes over here are worth almost nothing compared to every other mainland capital. The Rann government can BS all they like but by any credible measure Adelaide has gone backwards over the last 30 years - and poverty ultimately breeds crime. Tory’s article is not far wrong.

    • china says:

      12:33pm | 18/11/10

      “...someone who ought to know (but didn’t want to be named)...”

      Bollocks.  This is a variation of chestnuts like “an un-named source” and “sources close to..” that pretend journalists use when they make something up and want to pass it off as credible.

    • tipster says:

      12:49pm | 18/11/10

      The fact that we keep re-electing the Rann Labour government means that we’re all a few screws short of the full Meccano set.

    • Cosmo says:

      12:54pm | 18/11/10

      I am a born and bred Adelaidean and have lived here most of my life with the exception of 3 years in Brisbane - from which I couldn’t wait to get away from! The traffic is terrible - even on a Sunday afternoon, the weather is rubbish - who likes 100% humidity and 45 degrees? and there really isn’t that much to do - unless you like expensive theme parks - if there is something on in Brisbane there is overcrowding because everyone wants to go to it - just look at the royal show (i mean EKKA). If this is what eastern states people think is a good thing then they can have it. As far as I am concerned, if people outside of Adelaide THINK Adelaide is a hole then let them think that - I am not going to try and convince them otherwise - they just don’t know what they are missing out on.

      Would love to know how many people who bag Adelaide have actually been here or are just lemmings spouting the same vitriol they hear from others?

    • Reg says:

      06:50pm | 18/11/10

      South Australia makes a better red than the Hunter Valley does.

    • Andrew says:

      12:57pm | 18/11/10

      I lived in Adelaide for 6 Months. Certainly made me want to kill the neigbours. They were all welcoming and friendly right up to the point they found out my wife and I were from Sydney. Never said hello to us again.

      The reason they decriminalised marijuana in SA was to stop everyone leaving which is why it’s now full of dopey forgetful hicks.

      Only 2 good things come out of Adelaide - Qantas and Jetstar!

    • TB says:

      01:05pm | 18/11/10

      I recently drove from Melbourne to Perth and while it was an amazing trip and would do it agin tomorrow…... there is something about country SA that really can send chills up the spine. A couple of towns we arrived in were the live and kicking Wolf creek. It was so scary that we had to drive 250km to the next town for accommodation. Not sure if it was the stab you later looks from the people or just the vibe of most of the places. Very strange stuff going on there….

    • David says:

      05:36pm | 18/11/10

      You’ve never been to Wilcannia then.

    • Peach says:

      01:59pm | 18/11/10

      I agree with Cosmo. People knock whatever is fashionable to knock at the time.

      I grew up in Adelaide and while I have left and now live in Sydney, Adelaide is still much nicer - my move was simply based on the fact my partner lived here and his mother is far older than mine and it’s important she has us close by.

      Adelaide isn’t perfect but it’s a nicer place to be - the nightlife is there when you know where to look and you can always find a nice meal far cheaper than elsewhere.

      Maybe it isn’t as “Aussie” as the rest of Australia due to the number of English/Half English there, such as myself, but that isn’t a bad thing - I’m frankly glad I don’t speak with a nasal, stereotypical, Aussie drone.

    • r says:

      02:16pm | 18/11/10

      Pandas- be very afraid…...

    • Barry Mullet says:

      02:27pm | 18/11/10

      Grew up there.  Went to one of the 2 schools.  My wife and I left in our mid 20’s as we didnt fancy joining the Adelaide “A” list (ho,ho,ho) and becoming either a succesful restuaranteur or property developer.

      I really want to punch people i meet from Adelaide who to this day ask me “what school did you go to” Im now 42.

    • Ben says:

      02:29pm | 18/11/10

      Another negative article from you Tory ..surprise, surprise

    • Glad to leave says:

      02:42pm | 18/11/10

      I lived in Adelaide for more than a year and it has great food and not much else. Its a shocking cold place in winter and in summer the surface of the sun would be slightly colder than Adelaide. They live in the 1950’s when it comes to shop opening hours, ever tried to get groceries after 5pm on a weekend? Every news bulletin starts with something about the Adelaide Crows (or the other team). They love the place like most people love their home town, they are all midly insane and God was I glad to leave.

    • James A says:

      03:33pm | 18/11/10

      Cold?  The coldest it ever gets is 13!

      Good luck to you.  Adelaide and wherever you went to have increased their IQ’s.

    • Luke says:

      10:39pm | 18/11/10

      What do you mean? Most of the local shops here are open until 7pm or in shopping centres 9pm. You cant blame adelaide for the tempreture, thank god you left i and no other south aussies miss you, one less whinger the better.

    • Shannon says:

      02:44pm | 18/11/10

      I was in Adelaide on the weekend and a large sign out the front of a pub in the CBD detailed the dress code for the establishment:

      “No rats tails”
      “No mullets”
      “No visible tatoos”

      Enough said.

    • Phil says:

      03:49pm | 18/11/10

      Really Shannon?  Can you point out what pub that would be?  I think that’s rubbish.

    • Matt says:

      06:21pm | 18/11/10

      @Phil, if you cared to venture out to a pub in town, or most pubs in the suburbs, you’ll find this dress code clearly displayed at the entrance.

    • Craig D says:

      03:06pm | 18/11/10

      What has Wolf Creek to do with Adelaide?

      What has Kapunda or Truro or any other town or place got to do with Adelaide?

      They are not in Adelaide!

    • Shawn says:

      03:27pm | 18/11/10

      25% of gay people are already raising children? Thats seems a touch high dont you think Karyn? Pull the other One Dr. Phelps, it plays Jingle Bells.

      I am surprised nobody has mentioned adoption yet. Surely adoption is one of end goals to having gay marriage legally recognised.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:33pm | 18/11/10

      Acotrel, is that you?

    • Lee says:

      03:34pm | 18/11/10

      The locals get defensive.
      The non locals get offensive.
      Mission accomplished.

    • James A says:

      03:37pm | 18/11/10

      What I don’t get is why you all care so much and have so much bitterness and hate?

      If I don’t like a place.. say Melbourne (not in real life) - I couldn’t care less about it.

      It comes across that you all were snubbed here/didn’t fit it/felt like ferals because of your accent/or blamed Adelaide for your own failure to thrive.

      Adelaide is better off without you all.

    • Sammi J Worthington-Spencer says:

      03:53pm | 18/11/10

      In the early days of settlement.  Adelaide being settled by the South Australian Company Free settlers was far and away the poshest place in Australia.  Both sides of my family came here rapidly after settling initially in WA and Vic respectively due to the crime rate and quality of people in those convict states.

      It’s actually the rest of Australia with a chip on their shoulder about Adelaideans and our so-called posh accent and non-convict heritage.  (We don’t mangle vowels and speak through our nose like all other Aussies).  Articles like this have been trotted out every 12 weeks for 100 years now - and guess what - we still don’t care what you ferals think.

      Just been back from London where my pommy mates and I had a good old laugh about the fugly accents in Qld, Vic, and NSW and what passes for a pub in the Sydney burbs.  If you lot all hate us we must be doing something right.

    • Count Reg of Upper Gumtree. says:

      06:06am | 19/11/10

      Now listen here Worthington-Spencer, this is just not cricket! Your claim to well-rounded vowels suffers dreadfully when held up to the light. In fact under laboratory conditions it has been ascertained that the Adelaide accent has a degree of narrowness that well equates with that from across the Tasman. This is not on old chap and I respectfully plead that you lift your game lest you drag my beautifully presented Queensland accent into the gutter along with that of all your dilettante friends. Alternatively join with me in my attempt to manipulate the Sydney accent into some acceptable form, having given up on the Melbourne version after listening to the tweedy pouty-lipped sounds they make. But, still-and-all,  I must object at your elevating some antiquated version of English RP to a place of honour suggesting it worthy of adoption in this broad brown land. An accent which, in spite of the past efforts of the ABC to enshrine it, has met its well-deserved end at last.  As I was saying, your efforts to breathe life into this relic serve merely to isolate your community and invite its designation as a ghetto. Not only is this ill-advised, it is simply not cricket old chap. Now get out there and hug a few vines.

    • Cha says:

      03:53pm | 18/11/10

      Please - if you are talking about Adelaide - think like an Adelaidian. Salisbury is not Adelaide. It is at least 1/2 an hours drive away and that is a BLOODY long way for an Adelaidian. Those who trumpet the proximity of the beach, vineyards fail also to realise that they too are irrelevant to a true Adelaide person as they may as well be in Pt Augusta. Adelaide in Adelaidian terms is a safe an gentile place, quite apart from the rest of SA which is a murderer’s playground! Few states can boast the no-questions-asked mineshafts of Coober Pedy, the crocodile free mangrove swamps of Pt Pirie, the acres of dry, un-fenced tracks right to the edge of towns like Whyalla where there is no mining, no farming and no park rangers to bother you, not to mention the sheer convenience of the tuna industry for making folks disappear. The tragic thing is the that the crimes we know apart are only those perpetrated by the foolish and ill prepared who are dumb enough to be caught. Magnificent as the SA police are they have a hard job in the face of sheer geography and SA’s notoriosly lenient judicial system - yet another drawcard for killers.

    • Liz says:

      04:31pm | 18/11/10

      I don’t get it.  People say the place is boring.  Can’t you entertain yourselves.  I live in South Australia and can certainly look after myself.  I don’t sit around and complain that there is nothing to do.  They sound like whiney kids who on the weekend need to be entertained!!!

    • Ross says:

      04:45pm | 18/11/10

      To sum up way to much AFL in Adelaide. Has to hold them back As Thats all they have. Adelaide resident.

    • Jim says:

      05:26pm | 18/11/10

      There’s been plenty of light-hearted digs at Adelaide in this list, including one by myself this morning.

      But let’s just remember that a triple murder happened near there a few days ago. A murder that was apparently so sickening that the details of exactly how the young girl was murdered and what she went through has been given a strict ban from any publication.

    • Steve says:

      05:51pm | 18/11/10

      Just wait til you hear more about the little psychopath who killed the woman at Callington.

    • Laura says:

      05:33pm | 18/11/10

      When people list all the great things that happen in Adelaide, they seem to forget that teenagers live here. Do you really think 13-18 year old’s are interested in wineries and the Tour Down Under? Yet people wonder why kids are roaming the streets at all hours drinking and vandalising everything. There’s nothing for them to do, especially in the outer southern and northern suburbs.

    • Sir Didimum says:

      06:50pm | 18/11/10

      I love it Tory !! I LOVE how riled up Adelaidians get about this kind of stuff..“Kapunda, Truro and Snowtown aren’t in Adelaide”, “I’m 20 minutes from the beach !!”, “there’s no traffic !!”. “Our Grand Prix was better !!” Always the same arguments.

      I lived in Adelaide for 15 years..I liked it then, I like it now….but it DOES have a weird under-current . For it’s population, there are a LOT of weirdo Murders/Missing Persons cases. Yes, Melbourne has Carl Williams, Sydney has Ivan Milat..but the Beaumonts, the Truro Murders, Joanne Radcliife and Kirsty Gordon, Snowtown, the Family. That’s a LOT of serial killing for one small town !

      For the time I lived there I was robbed 7 times…..I lived in nice areas..but having lived in Melbourne for 22 years prior and never having been robbed once (nor in the 6 years since we moved back! ), its not such a quiet, innocent little town !

      As for the class divide - it is 100% accurate. My MIL always reminds me how “blue” her blood is (she is one of the “monied” set) , and how many people in high places she knows ! It is hilarious..and my husband was always admired for the school he went to.

    • Cold Front says:

      05:28pm | 19/11/10

      Robbed seven times?  Guess that’s what happens when you spend so much of your time hanging around the parklands. Or where you living in Norwood?

    • Sir Didimum says:

      11:25am | 21/11/10

      Yes Cold Front..I made the rookies mistake of moving into Norwood (well, that was the first 3 robberies !). And if there was ever a finer example of an undercurrent of danger - its there !! A beautiful, old, upper socio-economic suburb (million dollar + housing)..and yet plagued with drug addicts and criminal activity. I think you’ve just proven Tory’s point !!

    • Troy says:

      08:19pm | 18/11/10

      Yes, you got me.  Normally I ignore these anti-Adelaide articles but curiosity got me.  The general tenor of the comments is ‘Adelaide fails on all counts because I was told/saw/experienced x’.

      So let’s see.  When I last drove to Sydney, the people in the petrol station on the Hay Plain (including customers) all sat and stared at me the whole time (seemed the whole town was sitting in the petrol station for some reason).  Everyone in NSW is backwards and living out Deliverance.

      Shopping hours?  Has Perth managed to get Sunday trading yet? Late night shopping more than one day a week Mon to Fri?  I think they just did.  As in, a few months ago.  Gee, backwards old Adelaide’s had it for, what, a decade or so? Also got weird stares for a humorous T-shirt I owned, which no-one in Adelaide has ever batted an eyelid at. Everyone in WA is backwards.

      Bogans?  I’ve been to the Gold Coast several times.  I like it generally, but people think Adelaide is full of ‘bogans’... right. There were people having sex in the public pool at the ‘upmarket’ Q1 resort at the same time as young families were swimming nearby. Everyone in Queensland is a bogan.

      Sweeping generalisation based on perception and stereotypes is awesome!

    • LC says:

      08:38pm | 18/11/10

      Here we go, another feeble attempt to have a crack at Adelaide from some try hard in the Eastern states. He has an imaginary ‘expert’ witness who has fled the State in fear, righto. Im sure the people of Adelaide will not miss whomever this mystery person is. I have lived in Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbiane. Adelaide is by far the nicest of all of them. The best food and wine, friendly people and good service. If you havent had a good time in Adelaide, you just dont know where to go. Keep thinking that you are awesome Eastern States, somebody needs to.

    • lou says:

      09:07pm | 18/11/10

      “But it’s also a small enough society that the Old Adelaide Families inevitably rub up against the poorer classes, those from whom they buy their drugs or their sex. Or who they pay for labour.”

      I don’t see how the small size of a society increases contact between rich and poor, the rich will always rub up against the poor to service them in these ways, they always have. Who have rich people employed as servants and slaves throughout the ages? Not other rich people, that’s for sure!

      Also, it does seem odd to start an article acknowledging the very premise of the article is demonstrably false.

    • Hannible LEcture says:

      10:04pm | 18/11/10

      Adelaide is’nt the murder capital of Australia but the most strange ,bizzare and sickening murders happen in Adelaide.

    • Ell says:

      10:13pm | 18/11/10

      I have a theory. If you look at violent crime you’ll find that the majority of crimes are commiited by men. Regardless of class, age, sex, race, religion or location men are most often the common denominator. My theory is that there is a serious problem with male violence, so pervasive that we barely even see it. Instead we look for bizarre theories about Adelaide so that we don’t have to think about it.

    • Surviving Adelaide says:

      10:15pm | 18/11/10

      If you happen to come and to Adelaide and fly out I suggest a tattoo of ” I survived Adelaide, The City of Evil, but all I got managed to get was this lousy tattoo”

      Lived in Adelaide most of my life and I dont mind the fact its not a huge and busy city like Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane.  I dont think we need to justify to anyone the good things we have in Adelaide.  Like the beer add i would rather show swamped infested lands than are unattractive than have people come here and throw stones or accuse us as being bogans…  I’ve been to other cities and I can certainly say there are more bogans and odd bods interstate than here. 
      In the end your opinion is irrelevant if you dont live here. !

    • Sally says:

      11:25pm | 18/11/10

      Adelaide is Australia’s best kept secret - lets keep it that way!

    • Ben Feo says:

      11:36pm | 18/11/10

      Here’s my theory: Research your article before you post such ridiculous comments, or find another job. If it makes those of you who live elsewhere feel superior, well done. But you’re just as accurate in saying that all women cook every meal, and collingwood supporters have no teeth. Grow up, honestly.

    • Sam Pigge says:

      01:15am | 19/11/10

      A better theory? Hmmm lets see. Just looked in the toilet. Found a better theory. A theory written on poo that is better than the drivel that is this article. Poor talentless Tory.

    • Bill says:

      03:29am | 19/11/10

      This little theory from the writer who hates religions because they don’t use facts, but doesn’t bother to use them for her own simplistic ideas, doesn’t make much sense using the Snowtown murders as an example of what goes on in Adelaide. How is a group of psychopathic poor people killing other poor people an example of a clash of classses? I guess men coming to blows over who supports a better footy team is an example of misogyny…

      At least you realise that people with some sense will recognise this theory as nonsense so you claim it comes from an unidentifiable expert.

    • Wiz says:

      04:54am | 19/11/10

      It’s the effects of nuclear radiation from the nuclear tests north of Adelaide that has contaminated the Adelaide’s northern market gardens due to military aircraft inadvertently releasing radioactive dust on approaching landing at Edinburgh Airport (northern Adelaide suburbs). This has caused mental damage and some crazy behaviour by people affected. I won’t list names and places, but I developed this theory around 2002 in the light of certain events that have occurred there.

    • pinger says:

      10:25am | 19/11/10

      I used to work for BHP and got to travel to all states and territories to visit our sites. Adelaide is a really unusual city- and it struck me as soon as you arrive.

      From the air the place looks like it has been town planned by the most anal retentive accountant imaginable. It is like a perfect grid of straight lines.

      Alot of the early period homes and architecture is beautiful, but there really is a “feeling” about Adelaide, like a premonition of danger, or something flickering at the edge of your vision that you can’t catch.

      The city at night on a Friday and Saturday likewise had the same feeling, like it was waiting for something, like a temper to snap, or midnight for the vampires to come out.

      The open pot dealing from the alleys in the nightclub district didn’t help with the general sense that there was a heavy criminal element in open view.

      Strange place.

    • Jayne says:

      01:42pm | 19/11/10

      Tory, I honestly don’t understand why you wrote this piece?

      Thank you for perpetuating a stereotype and opening up an opportunity for people to bash our city.
      I live in Adelaide, I’ve also never been touching by violence, weirdness, sexual deviancy, abuse, assault, pedophilia or anything else you seem to think is rampant around here.

      “South Australia is still divided into the landed gentry and their underlings. It’s a classist society, one in which where you went to school is used as a measure of your worth until the day you die. Where there are Princes and Saints, and then the others.”

      I have never in my life come across any sort of discrimination for the rather nasty public school I went to. And if someone went to St Peters, I couldn’t care less. It’s true that in Adelaide the first thing we tend to ask eachother is what school did you go to, but that’s because it’s a small city and we’re likely to know a friend of a friend.

      If you dislike Adelaide so much, why do you live here?
      I’m not a bogan, I’m well educated, I’m young and I’ve travelled extensively. I find plenty to do in our beautiful city and I’d rather live here than Sydney or Melbourne. Is there something wrong with me?

    • Abused by cops says:

      04:24am | 20/11/10

      Tory when we have an ICAC? If you look at journalists in WA if you dig deep enough you might find stories that would never see the light of day if not for investigative reporting. Your article was not rubbish but its very common in SA for people to rubbish anyone who brings up questions about murder in the state. Over protective bunch I think!

    • lou says:

      09:09am | 20/11/10

      I must say, I don’t even find the ‘where did you go to school?’ thing to be as prevalent as others seem to. I honestly can’t even think of the last time anyone asked me that. Certainly years ago.
      I just don’t buy it that other cities don’t have their own class divides - human societies are all about who belongs and who doesn’t. Each sub-culture has to find ways of excluding others in order to define and value itself. Anthropology 101.

    • Chloe says:

      07:42pm | 21/11/10

      Me neither: all my friends know I went to Scotch because they went to Scotch too, duh. And I’ve met everyone I need to who went to one of the other private schools.
      Even nabbed myself a Pembroke man to marry. Dad was so angry at first, and mum was jealous. But once they realised how well our surnames will work together they came around.

    • former adelaide heavyweight says:

      10:57am | 22/11/10

      @Chloe.
      That is a very funny post

    • CareerAspirant says:

      09:37am | 22/11/10

      This sums up Adelaide nicely.  I was stuck on a soul crushing pay for 5 years, doing a soul crushing job, being told to just ‘wait my turn’ and ‘tread softly’ until my wife and I got fed up and left.  Within 4 years, we tripled our pay and moved our careers further in that 4 years than we would have in 20 in Adelaide (if we were lucky) and we meet people who are more interested in furthering themselves than perpetuating myths that Adelaide is not an ageing dying city.  When we return to Adelaide, the abundance of old people to young people is astounding, and seen no where else in Australia, and that’s because people are leaving in droves, and maybe return for the odd festival or to see family who haven’t left yet.  This article reflects a side of the debate that is seldom heard and if Adelaide is to have a future, then the city needs to address these issues head on rather than continue dodging them and trying to convince itself otherwise.  Once we left, we realised that the rest of Australia is just so much more advanced than Adelaide, it’s scary.  Being ‘smug’ and ‘proud’ will not provide a ‘career’ and a ‘salary’ worth getting.  A friends sister is the same, she was given an admin job after getting a biology degree, working for someone who was openly hostile to young ambitious people and held her back.  She applied for a Oxford scholarship, got it, and is now doing a PhD in biological engineering and working with the worlds greatest minds.  Hmmm, lets see.  Oxford vs admin job and dead weight oppressive boss.  Triple our old Adelaide pay, real career options, real future, vs dead end job, being held back, being told to ‘not rock the boat’ and ‘wait our turn’.  Well, we all voted with our feet.  Adios Adelaide!

    • Backwards City called Adelaide says:

      11:35am | 22/11/10

      I too have lived in Adelaide all my life and i want OUT, OUT, OUT!  This place is backwards in nearly every aspect. Add this to the greedy and incompetent local coucils that can’t tell the difference between shit and clay, the brain savaged Govt who decided to build a one-way freeway for the massviely expanding Southern Suburbs and of course Mike Rann and Co who allows billions of litres of water to flow out to sea then complaing we have no water left!

      What other City (if you can call it that) argues of we should spend money on a new hospital or a football ground? Doesn’t anyone think health is more important then a sports oval?

      What about the Police over here? It should be called, South Australia, The Revenue State. They are everywhere sitting under trees waiting to cash in on your misfortunes. Don’t worry about fighting real crime here such as murders, rapists, peadophiles just put the entire force out down the bottom of hills with laser guns to bring in more revenue for Mike Rann & Co.

      Don’t you see it yet? Come to Adelaide and i guarantee you will see ten times more cop cars here in a week then you would in Syd, Melb or Bris in an entire month. Thats why there is so many murders here, the bad guys know the cops are too busy booking people for traffic infringements rather then being pro-active and fighting crime!

      Too bad my wife’s family is here and won’t let me leave otherwise i’d be on the first flight out of this backwards and broke city filled with idiotic politicans who couldn’t sell icecreams to the eskimos.

    • federal says:

      03:24pm | 23/11/10

      Adelaide bashing - how mature.

      The fact is you’re more likely to get murdered anywhere else bar Tasmania or the ACT, and if you’re unlucky like the teenage girl in Port Elliot, they’ll drive over from Victoria to murder you. Which is exactly what some investigators thought happened to the Beaumont children. Of the four prime suspects, only one of them was actually from South Australia.

      When the details of the Kapunda murders are released, rumour has it that the accused isn’t even from Australia let alone South Australia.

      I think the mainstream media from the eastern states takes great delight whenever something nasty happens in SA. Their readers enjoy the experience as some form of escapism. Whatever it is, it’s ugly.

 

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