SHY Keenan (corr) doesn’t like to call herself a victim nor does she like the term survivor. Both imply a resolution to an issue.

Australia is copping out on child protection, says Shy Keenan.

But from the age of four she was systematically raped, beaten, degraded, filmed then, at the age of 10, sold to a gang of dockworkers in the UK for four more years of abuse.

In 2000 more than 25 years after the abuse, she armed herself with a small camera lent by the BBC and filmed one of her attackers boasting about his actions. Two years later she watched in satisfaction from the back of Liverpool Crown Court as three of her attackers, including a stepfather, were handed jail terms.

She has since become an internationally admired advocate for Phoenix Survivors, an advocacy group fighting for the rights of children and campaigning to have British law changes to better protect the young.

One law that’s at the top of her list is the one that allows Australia to continually deport child sex offenders to the UK despite the perpetrators having spent most of their lives in Australia.

In the past 12 months more than a dozen paedophiles have been sent to Britain from Australia, most have been aged in their 60s, and have spent all their lives in Australia having migrated as babies or toddlers. 

“That’s not fair Australia!” she declared yesterday from her home in south England.

“The first person we should put at the head of the game here is the child, the one they have harmed or the one they could harm. In terms of managing such individuals or helping them manage themselves there is one golden rule - they will, because they can.

“You can’t do anything about the fact they want to and you can’t do anything about the fact that they will but what you can do is about whether they can. In this country we put tonnes of things in their way and we insist, because we know they won’t manage themselves, that we manage one half and they the other half.

“That’s essentially the deal we have at the moment. When you pluck someone out of a completely different country and plonk them here, you set the entire system against them in terms of nothing here will necessarily work for them. They don’t have family or other support networks to help them manage their own behaviour. They don’t have anything. They literally have been plonked into a foreign country so you are basically setting them up to re-offend on a child by doing this. When you pluck them in this way and plonk them in an alien environment it puts them at risk.

“In law, they do belong here, in essence they are British citizens whether they are morally or ethically British is another argument. In law Australia has now found a way to kick them back to us but I don’t know if ethically it’s the right thing because they are stacking it against because the system here is limited in what it can do with spent offenders.

Under Australian law, a person can be deported no matter how long they have lived in the country if they continue to hold a passport from another nation.

In Britain there has been a significant public backlash this year to the “colonial rule” which has allowed notorious Australian paedophiles such as Raymond Horne and Gerard Little to be sent to London. The British Government estimate watching and housing each individual, because they are technically foreigners in their native country, costs $100,000 a year each. In Britain, welfare groups want the Rudd Government to change the laws. It not just Australian paedophiles either, there are other sexual criminals who get deported only to then go on and reoffend.

Kennan says: “Once you’ve done your thing (crime) and there are say a dozens court imposed restrictions for him on his release, in Australia if he baulks any of those, you can go after him. The moment he steps into this country we have no legal ability to deploy any of those restrictions. The minute he steps into this country he is in a different jurisdiction and your laws and restrictions no longer apply.

“They will be assessed when they come here to Britain and made to sign the Sex Offenders Register but beyond that there is very little they can do. In Australia if there is a restriction not to be around children or if there is a restriction not to go on the Internet they can be pursued but not here. That’s why I don’t think Australia is doing the ethical thing. They can be housed here and monitored but that’s it. Their slate is effectively wiped clean. If you are a serious offender, high risk of re-offending, you get visited once a month, a medium risk offender you get visited once every three months and if you are deemed low risk of re-offending then you get visited just once a year.

“It ties our hands on what we can do. We are intrinsically connected to Australia and it seems what needs to be put in place is a low where court conditions can be transferred over. If you have someone sentenced to life for an offence and he serves 10 years then basically for the rest of his life he effectively under a state control so if he steps out of line once you can nail his arse. That’s stops the minute you send them (offenders) over. All of that stops.

Whether they reoffend is another argument but it’s about what happens when they do. There needs to be a law change, there needs to be some form of interconnection with limitations you (Australia) out on them and translating them to Britain so when they do come here we have some power to act on what you have already identified as dangerous paedophiles. Our Attorney Generals need to talk. A law change would work for all of us because obviously we send some (offenders) your way too.

“There is very little we can do until he hurts another child ... we know there is a child out there but just because we can’t give them a name and identification right now doesn’t mean they don’t exist, they do and will have to be harmed before this country can do anything about it.

“Yes it is frustrating and yes it’s upsetting to me but its devastating to the children that these people are now being exposed to.”

Shy, nicknamed during her years of abuse because of the bashful poses she struck in photographs as a youth, is neither a victim nor a survivor but calls herself a Phoenix - “a work in progress” - looking to help others either through her advocacy or book simply titled “Broken” - A state of mind and law she is now trying to fix. It’s working. The British Government is reviewing the issue.

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    • John A Neve says:

      07:04am | 07/12/09

      I would have thought the very idea of sending these people to their country of origin was to give them a fresh start?

      Yes, their “slate has been wiped clean” and surely that is a good thing, if they cannot start with a “clean slate” there is no hope for them.

      Recent events have show here, people like Ferguson will just be hounded for ever. New country, “clean slate”, no history = better chance for rehabilitation.

    • Jolanda says:

      07:38am | 07/12/09

      I can tell you where I would put them…...and they wouldn’t be able to hurt any more children.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:02am | 07/12/09

      Jolinda,
      Come on tell us, where would you put them?
      The same place as you would put all those involved in religions misdeeds with children?

    • kw says:

      08:22am | 07/12/09

      6 feet under?

    • Jolanda says:

      08:28am | 07/12/09

      No difference to me whether they are religious or whether they are swimming coaches, or family members.  You abuse a child then you should not be allowed anywhere near children again - ever as there is always a high risk of reoffending.  Once people realise that they will be sent away for ever if they sexually abuse a child they will then have to make their choices and deal with the consequences.  A little island for child sexual predators would be where I would put them and they would never be able to return.  The reason these people abuse is because they can and they get protected and there is more sympathy for the abuser than for the abused.  They should rot in hell for the damage that they do to our innocent children.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:03am | 07/12/09

      Jolanda,

      Adults (society), has abused children since day one and we still do. I see little difference in the type of abuse, be it sexual, mental or physical. I often wonder about people who see sexual as being something special and question why? Do they have some deep seated problem?

    • Formersnag says:

      12:16pm | 07/12/09

      Well over 90% of all child abuse, murder & neglect is perpetrated by deadbeat mothers. What do you propose to do, with those, unrepentant, repeat, offenders?

    • cats says:

      12:42pm | 07/12/09

      Formersnag, thats bullsh*t. We don’t know the statistics because most of it isn’t reported. Please not another Eric on this site!! I would put them all in the one place, kinda like the idea that Jolanda has suggested. What makes you think that we’ll think differently about female and male abusers? People like you need to stop making everything male vs female, if they abuse kids, it doesn’t matter who they are. And John A Neve, wtf is wrong with you.. if you are suggesting that people who smack their kids are the same as pedophiles who rape, film it and sell children? And you seem to be suggesting that people who have a real problem with pedophiles have problems themselves.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:57pm | 07/12/09

      Cats,
      I thought I state my position very clearly, try reading it again.

    • Jolanda says:

      01:40pm | 07/12/09

      Personally John I think that people who do not see a difference between sexual abuse and other types of child abuse are the ones with the problem. 

      I do not agree with any abuse of children and I will always stick up for any child being abused, be it psychologically, physically or sexually but certainly sexual abuse is in my opinion one of the worst things that you can do to a child and any adult (male or female) who abuses a child’s trust in that way needs to be removed from having any access to children.

      If the laws were tough and they were enforced there wouldn’t be so much abuse happening.

      Education - Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/
      Our children deserve better

    • John A Neve says:

      02:39pm | 07/12/09

      Annabel @ 1417hrs.

      You have already made it very clear that you do not accept “extenuating circumstances”. But murder is less of a crime than sexual abuse, come on, people get over all types of abuse, they don’t return from the dead. Where’s your rational thinking Annabel?

    • John A Neve says:

      04:48pm | 07/12/09

      Cats @1645hrs.

      Sorry if I’ve picked you in one. I didn’t want to hit your raw spot. Sorry again.

    • cats says:

      03:45pm | 07/12/09

      “I often wonder about people who see sexual as being something special and question why? Do they have some deep seated problem? “

      You are insinuating that people who consider pedophiles the scum of the earth have the problems themselves. I think thats a load of shit.

    • Tim says:

      02:50pm | 24/01/10

      Murder IS less of a crime than abuse - having been in that position, now 40 years on, with professional help, i am STILL trying to get some enjoyment or satisfaction or any pleasure at all from life. I am left with a strong feeling that life is a sentence and not a gift because of my abusers - not returning from the dead quite often seems the better option to me.

    • Liz says:

      07:43am | 07/12/09

      No their slate can’t be wiped clean.Paedophiles are psychopaths and are not able to be rehabilitated ,‘cured’ or made to feel remorse.They are forever a danger to children.

    • Dalma Smithy says:

      08:31am | 07/12/09

      Whilst I sympathise with her in trying to rewrite the Laws in the UK and Oz after suffering such a horrendous ordeal - those pedophiles who were deported back to England were originally Poms even though they may have lived most of their lives here.You cant be deported anywhere unless one was born in that territory or colony. Whatever ! The Judicial system today is a mockery. The perpetrators of violent crimes, never serve their full terms, and often reoffend, yet on parole or release, there is a clause which states one has broached your custodial conditions and can be rearrested instantly - which is rarely carried out. The Police just haven’t the resources to keep tract of the thousands of ex-crims who have served time.
      Why did it take such a long time to report her rape and abuse by her step father ? Obvious to all, there are gaps in her story which are downright implausible. Any school kid who fronts a teacher with a problem of this magnitude, will be instantly reported to a Doctor and Police service who will bring the full force of the Law down upon the perpetrators. One must question the validity of the source to make it sound credible ? Crap or Bullocks ! Which ?

    • megan says:

      08:47am | 07/12/09

      i honestly dont understand why castration of convicted paedophiles is not a viable option in this country? not chemical castration, proper castration. does anyone disagree?

    • Dan says:

      08:54am | 07/12/09

      Are you serious? You don’t understand why it’s not a proper option? I suppose you’ll be wanting to bring back the death penalty.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:40am | 07/12/09

      And women pedo/rapists, same for them?

    • Megan says:

      09:44am | 07/12/09

      totally serious. the victims of child abuse have very little chance at a normal life why should the perpetrators get off so easy. i’m not at all concerned with the rights of a person who harms a child in that way, why should you be?

    • Dan says:

      11:32am | 07/12/09

      Megan, you may hate peodaphiles with all your heart (most people do), but to deny that they have rights violates the very essence of justice. To talk about castration, which is just barbaric, well, then you are more interested in revenge than justice, and revenge does nobody any good. So, to answer your question, when things like castration is brought up, yes, I am concerned with their rights. Oh, and BTW, in regards to ‘why should the perpetrators get off so easy’, going to prison for years is not getting off easy.

    • cats says:

      12:45pm | 07/12/09

      T.Chong, i hope you’re not turning into Eric. Of course it should be the same women pedos, if it is for men.

    • Annabel says:

      01:13pm | 07/12/09

      i guess we have to think if the offence is sexually driven or power driven - what is the offender seeking to gain out of the experience. castration would not effect those who seek to dominate others and gain a sense of empowerment.

      in my opinion a permanent solution such as castration is an indictement on humanity - we are saying that we cannot reform the offender. As is the death penalty.

    • megan says:

      03:40pm | 07/12/09

      agreed, castration is barbaric but then again so is raping a child. you can talk endlessly about humanity and civil rights but the fact is there are some things that humans are capable of which should never be tolerated in our society.
      its all well and good is take the moral high ground but if you or your child were affected by something so horrific I doubt you would be so pious.
      I also dont think castration qualifies only as revenge. We are told time and time again that peodaphiles can not be cured of their condition. Removing their biological urge protects their future victims.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:53am | 08/12/09

      Ricky @ 1657Hrs on 7/12.

      Please explain your strange response Ricky?

    • Vicki PS says:

      03:03pm | 08/12/09

      It’s simple, Megan—castration will not stop a paedophile’s sexual interest in children.  Sexuality doesn’t reside exclusively in the gonads.

    • tannie says:

      03:11pm | 16/05/10

      I don’t believe anyone who can harm a child has any RIGHTS. they lose them when the harm the child. Jail may be harsh to some of them but they should never be aloud out of there either. They should stay in there, I think they get off easy what they might get abused themselves, Well guess what I think they deserve everything they get might make them stop and realise of a child that only gets a little bit of support from counsellors and police. yeah that may help a little bit but in the long run you will always have the thoughts of what was done to you. why is it always the abuser that gets more attention then the victim in all cases. when is everyone going to think about the victim, and the victim goes through hell especially in the court room to so why don’t you put yourselves in their shoes realise the victim deserves better then they get. an Island is TOOOO good for the abusers I say leave them in Jail where they belong….....................

    • stephen says:

      10:32am | 07/12/09

      I can’t think of any redeeming aspect to pedophilia, as distinct from, say, murder, where the victim may also have been a ‘baddie’. We idealize childhood (and children), because they deserve it. We nuture them because we want all youngsters to have a good start in life, and we-as adults- know how hard life can be. To abuse them, especially sexually, is to leave them with no chance of a normal life. Such children will have bad memories forever,(this should vitiate the argument of pedo’s who were themselves abused) and those who commit such acts should be offered no sympathy.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:02pm | 07/12/09

      Stephen,
      Are you suggesting MURDER, has redeeming aspects?
      You probably think rape, assault and bashing are OK as well?

      “We nurture them” bullshit, we send them to day care as young as possible, we buy their love with $20 an X boxes. We let them roam the streets at all hours. We let them play on railway lines, then blame the Police for not bringing them home.

      You might believe what you write Stephen, but I think it’s bullshit.

    • Annabel says:

      01:17pm | 07/12/09

      @John, i think Stephen means that murder can have extenuating circumstances as opposed to sexual abuse that no excuse. it saddens me that you have such a dim view of parenting, may i ask do you have children? or are you believing media hype? i don’t know a parent who isn’t trying to do their best with the resources they have to raise their children.

    • Concerned says:

      01:31pm | 07/12/09

      John,
      You have a quite depressing view of the world. I am not so nieve to think that the world is just “beer and skittles”. However, to assume that no parent makes an effort to nurture there child and that children should not be protected from whatever evils they can be, is simply ludicrous.

      If these are truely your opinions on how society should look to interact with its most vunerable members i hope you don’t have any contact with chirldren yourself.

      John it is your opinions that are bullshit. Stephen seems to have hit the nail on the head.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:23pm | 07/12/09

      Annabel and Concerned,

      Sadly you both have a very biased view of the world. Every day of the week you can read of child abuse. Mostly it’s by parents or guardians.

      You contradict yourselves, for having said a child never gets over abuse,
      you make no allowance for abusers who have themselves been abused!!

    • Ricky says:

      03:57pm | 07/12/09

      John A Neve, if you believe the B*llshit that you write then you need medication.You seem to have some fairly serious issues that you need to address.

    • Concerned says:

      04:06pm | 07/12/09

      Again we have no meaningful statistics on this but i would assume that it is only a very small minority of victums turn into sexual offenders themselves. And even then causation is always a very difficult thing to proove.
      Excuses are far too easy to come by.
      Daddy issues should not excuse anything, the sooner courts recognise this, the sooner these offenders will be locked away forever.

    • Jolanda says:

      06:17pm | 07/12/09

      John A Neave.  Why is it that you believe that a child who has been abused has some sort of right to also abuse?

    • John A Neve says:

      05:10am | 08/12/09

      Jolanda,

      Why don’t you address what I’ve said, not what you seem to hope I said?
      Try reading more slowly, you might then understand.

    • Jolanda says:

      06:47am | 08/12/09

      John you keep asking people to re-read your posts does that ever make you think that maybe what you are thinking is not what you are saying?

      II didn’t hope you said what you seem to think that I hoped you said but certainly what you said is confusing so why don’t you explain what you mean by the following:

      You contradict yourselves, for having said a child never gets over abuse,
      you make no allowance for abusers who have themselves been abused!!

      If you explain your allowances then I might better understand and I will not have to try to work it out myself.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:45am | 08/12/09

      Jolanda @0747hrs.

      You have contradicted yourself that many times it’s not funny.  You only see what you want too, sad really. I just hope you don’t pass on this flaw.

    • Jolanda says:

      08:24am | 08/12/09

      John you didnt’ answer my question?  Why don’t you address what I have said and also be more specific about where you believe I am contradicting myself and then I will explain.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:43am | 08/12/09

      Jolanda @ 0924hrs.

      I’ll try to kill two birds with one stone.

      On re-reading all these posts, it seems most doubt child abusers can be rehabilitated.

      Court records indicate most child abusers have been abused themselves.

      If both these statements are correct?  It seems we face a new wave of child abusers.

      I feel very sorry for all of them, seeing as most of you want to “castrate” them or bury them “6 feet” down or put them on a desert island.

      Sorry Jolanda, but I hate irrationality.

    • Jolanda says:

      02:19pm | 08/12/09

      John even if a child has been sexually abused that does not give them the right to abuse children when they are adults.  If they abuse then they should be punished. It is the only way to break the cycle.  If we keep making allowances for those who have been abused and we keep telling them that we understand because they have been abused then we are failing in our duty of care to the children and pretty much telling them that is what is expected of them.  Those who sexually abuse children should understand that they will be punished no matter what - no excuses.

    • westie says:

      11:29am | 07/12/09

      Australian citizens living in Britain on an Australian passport are technically aliens and subject to deportation at any time.

      Why should the reverse be any different?

    • Dan says:

      02:28am | 08/12/09

      Because its buck-passing.  If the reverse were happening you can bet your bottom dollar people would be accusing the British of fobbing their problem prisoners off onto us.

    • Helen says:

      02:59pm | 08/12/09

      Are you sure they can be deported any time?
      It used to be the law here, that deportation for criminal behaviour didn’t happen if the offender had been living in Australia for more than ten years. That law was overturned by either Keating or Howard (I can’t remember which) and has stayed that way ever since.
      Dan’s right, it is buck-passing. They are Australia’s responsibility in all but a technicality.

    • AdamC says:

      02:39pm | 07/12/09

      Our attitude towards child abuse is becoming hysterical. While hysteria is preferable to the historical approach of almost complete apathy, it is far from ideal. Yes, child abuse is terrible and, yes, child abusers are bad people. However, we routinely release bad people (thieves, thugs, rapists, murderers even) from prison on the, admittedly idealistic, assumption that they can be rehabilitated and redeemed. There is no essential reason why the same cannot be achieved with child abusers.

      As to this deportation issue, what utter rubbish. If the Brits don’t deport people in equivalent circumstances, they are silly. Just because we are a British Dominion, doesn’t mean we have to be equally silly. If someone resident in Australia wants to become a career criminal or abuse children – and not be deported afterwards – they should make the (modest) effort of becoming a citizen beforehand!

    • T.Chong says:

      02:54pm | 07/12/09

      No Cat, 1:45pm I ask the question seriosly. As a society we seem to brush aside female perpetrated violations far too easily,as if crimes inflicted by some women are not as serios.
      Women pedophiles are very good at portraying themselves as victims
      -they, (the criminal ) was confused, or lonely or drunk- excuses we dont believe are acceptable for men.
      Compare sentences handed out to women and men in this area.
      Im not turning into an Eric, but often am bemused with inconsistancies in society .
      Why are crimes committed by women treated less seriosly.? Is a legit question.

    • Ricky says:

      04:02pm | 07/12/09

      well said T. Chong, right on the money.But it is a bitter pill for many women to swallow when they realise this is the truth.

    • Dan says:

      02:32am | 08/12/09

      Personally, I agree that there is an obvious double-standard between sentences handed out to male and female offenders.  Its cr@p, but this is something that needs to be addressed by the judiciary, seeing as they’re the ones doing the actual sentencing.

    • unbelievable says:

      03:14pm | 07/12/09

      Formersnag - I really hope you are saying that to try and incite responses….If you truly believe something so incredibly wrong & ridiculous - I pity you….
      Unless - maybe you’re Eric in disguise? I hope so….that way we’d know there was only one looney tunes like that out there.

    • Bob H says:

      03:33pm | 07/12/09

      The Australian procedures should reflect what is in the best interest of Australian children.  What the UK authorities do to protect their children is their responsibility, but transporting these offenders by a chartered filipino ferry might solve the problem.

    • hellonathan says:

      06:38pm | 08/12/09

      The answer is clear, no more immigration and get rid of the current residents who commit crime.

    • Vicki PS says:

      06:41pm | 08/12/09

      There is quite obviously a great deal of confusion and misinformation in this debate, mainly around the promulgation of factoids and misquotes.

      “Abusers were often abused themselves as children”—to the best of my knowledge, this datum emerged from studying physical and emotional abuse and neglect.

      “Child sexual abusers cannot be rehabilitated”—this assumes that all child sexual abusers are the same, which is incorrect.

      “Paedophile” = child sexual abuser—WRONG.  Paedophilia is a clinical term for a sexual interest/preference/orientation exclusively toward children. 

      Paedophilia can not be changed any more than heterosexual or homosexual orientation can be changed.  A person might be a paedophile but never, ever sexual abuse a child, rather finding other outlets for their sex drive.  Statistically, the overwhelming majority of paedophiles are male.

      Child sexual abusers aren’t necessarily paedophiles.  Again, it is true that in the overwhelming majority of cases the abuser is a male who is known to the victim, usually in a positive way.  Many child sexual abusers are otherwise “normal” heterosexual fathers, grandfathers, family friends etc whose abusive behaviour is situational and opportunistic.  This kind of behaviour is amenable to treatment and rehabilitation.

    • Jolanda says:

      07:40pm | 08/12/09

      @Vicky -  You said:

      Pedophilia cannot be changed and that is the biggest problem.

      Then you you said that Paedophile” doesn’t equal child sexual abuser—and that pedophilia is a clinical term for a sexual interest/preference/orientation exclusively toward children.

      You then said that pedophiles are not necessarily child sexual abusers and child sexually abusers are not necessarily pedophiles?

      Then you said that in the overwhelming majority of cases the abuser is a male who is known to the victim, usually in a positive way and that many child sexual abusers are otherwise “normal” heterosexual fathers, grandfathers, family friends etc whose abusive behaviour is situational and opportunistic?

      Then you said that this kind of behaviour is amenable to treatment and rehabilitation.
       
      I cant help but wonder how you come to see ‘abuse of children by family members and friends’ in this way and as a positive thing?

    • John A Neve says:

      04:58am | 09/12/09

      Jolanda,

      I don’t want to speak for Vicky PS, but in a nutshell she is saying this is a complex issue. It won’t be stopped by “You know were I’d put them” or “6 feet dowm” or “castration” on a “desert island”.  These are all emotive and irrational comments by ignorant people.

      Our society has too change, we need to take more real care of our young, driving them to school and buying them Xboxes or dumping them in day care is not looking after your child.

      People need to look at the real causes of child abuse, something that has been around since the dawn of time. I’ll suggest a few causes, ignorance, isolation, greed (as in exploitation), anger & frustration, there are many,many more.

      Society uses and abuses children every day in every way, try looking at the cause.

    • DG says:

      11:07am | 09/12/09

      Ah the irony - England send their convicts to Australia with complete disregard for the consequences for the existing population - yet when the shoe is on the other foot.

      Having said that I agree with Vicki’s comments. I may be getting this slightly wrong, but the reasons that people abuse children are as wide and varied as the circumstances in which it occurs. On thing that they all have in common is opportunity - and I acknowledge that - however, that is not the only criterion, and to assume that because someone has done something wrong once that they will use every opportunity to do the same things again is unjustified.

      Often, abusers only abuse one child repeatedly - the likelihood that they only had opportunity with one child is fairly low, especially given that the abusers are usually known to one or more children - clearly some offenders pick their targets on something more than opportunity.

      For some reason we think that taking away opportunity will protect children - to an extent it will - but is it possible to ensure that no adult is ever left alone with a child? After all, being alone with a child is “opportunity”. Even previous behaviour is not an indicator - if I recall correctly, research has shown that abusers to not do so at every opportunity - they choose their time as much as they choose their victim, as completely dependent on their motive for the crime.

      Finally a paedophile and child-sex offender are not necessarily the same thing, the difference is the decision to act. Their reason for acting (whether it be the love of children, revenge against the parents of the child, anger, power or any other motivator) does not change the fact that it is the action that is a problem rather than their motive.

      A person continues to be responsible for their behaviour - just because a person has done something wrong before does not mean that they will do so again. While there is a degree of certainty that they will consider repeating the action - the real test is the decision that they make the second time.

    • Vicki PS says:

      07:21am | 10/12/09

      @Jolanda:  I said paedophilia can’t be changed, but did not say this was “the biggest problem”.  I also said that situational, opportunistic abuse by offenders who weren’t paedophiles within the clinical definition, was amenable to treatment [whereas paedophilia is not].
      I did NOT say that abuse by family members and friends was a positive thing: I said that abusers were usually known to the victim in a positive way [ie. as a family friend, grandfather, teacher or whatever].  The archtypical scary bad ‘strange man’ as abuser is very much in the minority.

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