At the press conference announcing his hard-line policy on asylum seekers Tony Abbott declared himself ‘a big risk to people smugglers’. While he claimed that ‘if I get elected, people smugglers will go out of business’, Abbott stressed that ‘my argument is not with desperate people who want a better life’.

An asylum seeker being moved around Christmas Island. Photo: Colin Murty

If only it were that simple. The reality is that the Opposition’s policy constitutes a grave risk to traumatized people who will, if the policy is implemented, be traumatized further.

Temporary protection visas will be reintroduced for irregular maritime arrivals who are found to engage Australia’s protection obligations, as well as for others.

TPVs will be granted for periods of between six months and three years. They will prohibit family reunion and any person who travels out of Australia during this period will have no right of re-entry. The ‘Pacific solution’ will be revived, with the Coalition pledging to negotiate an agreement with ‘another country’ to take all asylum seekers attempting to ‘enter Australia illegally by boat’.

These proposals are an unwelcome return to Howard-era practices. But in a significant way, what Abbott is proposing is worse than the Coalition’s policy failures in government.

The Howard Government was wrong to introduce these measures the first time. It did so against all reasoned advice. But at least it could then be argued, if nothing else, that the methods were being tried for the first time. By contrast, the Opposition proposes to repeat earlier mistakes after notching up a lamentable record of failure to achieve stated objectives and causing much avoidable suffering.

Temporary protection visas failed to deter boat arrivals. 3,103 persons arrived by boat in the five years prior to the introduction of TPVs, and more than 11,000 in the five years after their introduction.

The great majority of TPV holders were eventually granted permanent protection – 9,800 out of 11,000. There is no reason to think it will be any different this time around. Indeed, Abbott himself acknowledged that TPV holders under the Coalition’s proposed scheme ‘might be given permanent residency’. But not before forcing them to endure the denial of family reunion and substantially heightened risks to their mental health.

The uncertainty of temporary protection exacerbates and perpetuates the impact of traumas suffered by people who have been persecuted.

People who have been recognised as refugees meriting protection but granted only temporary visas cannot lead a normal life, cannot manage their affairs with any confidence and are unlikely to successfully engage in the difficult process of recovery. It is difficult to imagine how the protection we grant to those found to be in genuine need could be made more grudging or less hospitable. A permanent visa is the only basis on which refugees can rebuild damaged lives and reconstitute fragmented families.

Similarly, the ‘Pacific solution’ was both futile and harmful.

No one ever pretended that Nauru and Manus Island were better equipped than Australia to process the claims and look after the welfare of asylum seekers. Deterrence was the only argument advanced for the ‘Pacific solution’, and it was a false argument. 70% of the people processed at Nauru and Manus were found to be refugees. Of these, 61% were settled in Australia, with a further 34% taken by New Zealand. Third-country processing did not prevent refugees from eventually settling in Australia.

It did, however, put many asylum seekers in situations where their mental health was seriously harmed.

In 2005, 25 asylum seekers who had spent four years on Nauru were granted visas to Australia after a psychiatrist warned the then government that each was at extreme risk of suicide. The psychiatrist described an ‘environment and atmosphere of consistent hopelessness’. A team of mental health experts were subsequently sent to Nauru by the immigration minister of the time. They reported that ‘[a]ll cases are considered vulnerable to further deterioration’.

TPVs and the ‘Pacific solution’ are failed experiments and poor public policy.

The rationale underlying both measures – tough treatment of asylum seekers and refugees to deter boat arrivals – is ethically problematic. Bluntly, it is not acceptable to knowingly harm some people in order to influence the behaviour of others. It is not acceptable that vulnerable people will be knowingly re-traumatised in pursuit of a policy objective – deterrence of further boat arrivals.

Australia, in cooperation with other countries, should certainly do all it reasonably can to end the reprehensible practice of people smuggling.  Significant progress in the national debate about the appropriate response to unauthorised boat arrivals is only possible when policy and practice in relation to the treatment of asylum seekers and refugees are conceptually uncoupled from the worthy goal of preventing people smuggling.

In promising that he will ‘stop the boats’ Abbott is promising what he cannot deliver.

The last time TPVs were introduced boat arrivals increased. But even if the policy of TPVs and some version of the ‘Pacific solution’ could stop the boats it should still be rejected.

The announced measures would do grave and entirely foreseeable harm to the well-being of vulnerable people. This Opposition policy proposal has no merit and must be firmly resisted.

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    • Eric says:

      06:13am | 10/06/10

      The fact is that TPVs worked. Unwanted boat arrivals dropped to almost zero after their introduction, and have skyrocketed since Rudd changed Howard’s successful policy.

      Tony Abbott should indeed campaign to reintroduce them. Furthermore, his government ought to withdraw from the outdated and regressive Refugee Convention.

      Australia has a right and a duty to control its borders. We owe it to future generations to protect the country our forebears built.

    • Q says:

      07:51am | 10/06/10

      Rubbish, the number of boat arrivals went up in the period after TPVs were introduced. If you’re going to try and build an argument o a point, make it a fact and not wishful thinking.

    • persephone says:

      07:55am | 10/06/10

      Totally untrue, Eric.

      ‘The number of boat arrivals increased after the introduction of TPVs.
      ‘In the years that followed the introduction of TPVs, boat arrivals increased dramatically. 3 721 asylum seekers arrived by boat in 1999 and 5 516 asylum seekers arrived in 2001.15 This represented an increase of 48%.’

      There are countless references for this, but I’ll just give you this one:

      http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/docs/news&events;/rw/2010/4 - Myths and facts about refugees and asylum seekers 2010.pdf

      I realise a lot of respondents will go with the ‘shoot the messenger’ approach in responding to this, rather than disputing the actual facts.

      If you can’t prove - using verifiable numbers - that the number of boat arrivals decreased after TPVs were introduced, you can’t prove that TPVs deterred boat arrivals.

    • Fred says:

      08:09am | 10/06/10

      Eric do you even read before you comment? 

      From the article:

      “Temporary protection visas failed to deter boat arrivals. 3,103 persons arrived by boat in the five years prior to the introduction of TPVs, and more than 11,000 in the five years after their introduction.”

      and

      “The great majority of TPV holders were eventually granted permanent protection – 9,800 out of 11,000.”

      If you want the government to withdraw from the Refugee Convention, that’s one thing but the fact is until the government does do that, your argument makes no sense.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:28am | 10/06/10

      Eric doesn’t want you know that refugees who came by aeroplane ballooned to 20 000 under under Howards tough policy on refugees. In howards last year the stats show bouat arrivals increased to 8 which was the start of the current wave of boat arrivals. Howard may of slowed the boats, but all he did was shift them onto planes.

    • jack says:

      08:36am | 10/06/10

      You should get your facts right ERIC the arrivals went up when TPVS were introduced, thats the facts.
      I agree with the majority of people regarding Rudd but I am willing to give them another term had Turnbull still been there he would have my vote,  Abbott in my opinion is not prime minister material
                                                                    JACK

    • Ex Teacher says:

      08:39am | 10/06/10

      So the Rudd government cedes that circumstances change in origin countries and stops processing claims from Sri Lanka and Afghanistan holding people in detention…BUT it is the Coaliton’s policy of TPVs that must be stopped.  Go figure, I love the smell lefty hypocrisy in the morning.

    • Davida says:

      08:48am | 10/06/10

      Fred,
      Welcome to the Eric Manifesto.  I think you’ll find Eric’s desire to be first cab off the rank mentality, coupled with his bullish, dogmatic approach to topics leaves very little time to read (let alone absorb) content.  Just the sight of trigger words (women, asylum, Rudd etc) elicits a frenzied keyboard flurry.  There, but for the grace of God….............

    • Carter says:

      08:58am | 10/06/10

      Eric, did you not read the article?

      7th paragraph: “Temporary protection visas failed to deter boat arrivals. 3,103 persons arrived by boat in the five years prior to the introduction of TPVs, and more than 11,000 in the five years after their introduction. “

      So in fact, TPV’s increased the number of arrivals by just under 8,000 over teh same period…

      Perhaps you should do some of your own reading and not rely on what you hear on conservative talkback radio.

    • Andy says:

      09:03am | 10/06/10

      Protect us from who Eric? Boat people on average make up less than 1% of yearly immigration and less than 10% of 13000 refugees Australia has excepted every year for the last 15 years. They are also more likely to be granted refugee status than those that arrive on Qantas.
      I just don’t get the hype and the billions of dollars Abbott wants to pay other counties to process them for us.
      If you are worried about those scary foreigners coming to ruin the county our immigrant forefathers built, you should be looking at Abbott’s plan to close all the trade training schools, this will surely lead to a need for higher immigration to fill the skills shortage in the future.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:09am | 10/06/10

      Eric :  You are correct , these posters here seek to distort the truth .
      pers and Fred’s use of data is used in a context to suit their argument .
      The truth is boat arrivals were reduced , as you said , to almost zero.
      Harry Minas is wrong when he says Tony Abbott can not stop the boat arrivals , what Harry is really saying is ” i believe the boats should be allowed to arrive. ”  There is no doubt at all that John Howard stopped
      the illegal arrivals and there is no doubt that Tony Abbott would do the same.
      Let’s stick to the facts , there is a front door to Australia , the illegals try to gain entry via the back door because they are aware of the slack controls in place and the bleeding hearts on-side.
      The people who chose to enter by illegal means , pay thousands of dollars to unscrpulous slugs and there is no reason that they could not use legal means to apply and pay their way to gain entry without displacing those who wait in line at the front door.

    • Casey says:

      09:12am | 10/06/10

      Eric - a typical comment from you on this issue.

      You look substantiated fact in the face and blindly ignore it. Seemingly, there is no logical argument, opposed to your own opinion, that you will hear and geniunely consider. How very small minded of you.

    • persephone says:

      10:58am | 10/06/10

      Well, at least I used evidence, Wayne.

      You didn’t, because apparently you don’t have any.

      Saying don’t make it so.

    • ian forrest says:

      11:01am | 10/06/10

      all you do gooders who want to cuddle queue jumpers who step over the backs or refugees sitting in terrible conditions. and who no money to fly to Indonesia then pay bandits to put them in leaky boats that have in all possibility caused the death of 159 people since the boats started coming in 2008.  We only accept 13000 asylum seekers each year and i would rather give the places to people who have waited up to 10 years and would accept refuge in any safe country than these economic country shoppers who cost us billions over a 3 year term at the rate they are arriving currently. Also i understand a boat holding 300 left Sri Lanka and hasnt been seen or heard of for over 3 months now. Its a great pollicy that encourages men women and children to put to sea in old leaky boats and all boat asylum seekers arrive without and documentation so its impossible to do proper criminal checks on them. all arrivals by air have documentation when they arrive so we are better able to check their bona fides. and consequently far more are returned to thier home countries as not requiring our protection.

      This should be put to a referendum at the next election on the acceptance of any illegal entry asylum seeker.

    • Andy says:

      11:15am | 10/06/10

      @Wayne Fehlhaber.
      The truth is that boat arrivals increased to record levels for three years after the introduction TPVs and then declined back to the levels we had in the early 90’s without TPVs and then began to increase again from 2005.
      Any relationship between TPVs and boat arrivals is loose.
      The conservative government found 90% of boat arrivals to be refugees, the reason they cannot wait in line to “use legal means to apply and pay their way to gain entry” is because a refugee is fleeing persecution.

    • Mick says:

      11:49am | 10/06/10

      The number of asylum seekers will fluctuate with the level of world unrest.  It’s our responsibility to give legitimate asylum seekers the opportunity to work! towards a new life. 

      It’s the number of “unauthorised arrivals” that TPV’s were designed to reduce.  TPV’s worked, see the unauthorised arrivals table on

      http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-02.html

    • luke09 says:

      02:25pm | 10/06/10

      The overflow on christmas island is not abating, more and more people smuggled refugees are taking the places of other refugees who are awaiting assessment in camps around the world. Camp refugees are pushed further down the list every time a people smuggled arrival makes it to Australia.

      Tony Abbott is trying to top the inhumane boat smuggling trade. I think it is weird so many arguments against Abbott unintentionaly or not, inadvertently support the people smugglers and in doing so destroying hope and whatever equal limited rights existed for asylum seekers.

      Howard’s policy in the end slowed and destroyed the boat smuggling trade, a fact with so few boats reaching Australian waters. There are no easy solutions but destroying the smuggling trade should be a priority no matter what the costs.

      Stopping the boat smuggling trade is not about stopping refugees coming to Australia

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      02:27pm | 10/06/10

      Andy :  Ditto the reply to persephone.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:35pm | 10/06/10

      Rob r Charteris - “Howard may of slowed the boats, but all he did was shift them onto planes. “
      Good!  That’s exactly the point, you absolute twit.  And once again, you’re parroting that line that plane arrivals “ballooned”, ignoring the fact that the vast majority were accepted from overseas and flown here as they should be and as we wanted them to, not turning up on a plane and then claiming asylum. 
      What’s your problem here Rob, are you saying that Howard failed because he didn’t stop all refugees coming to Australia, even though that’s not what he ever set out to do and he got exactly the result he wanted?

    • H of SA says:

      03:33pm | 10/06/10

      Ideological fights aside - the bald numbers show Howard as our record holder for most asylum seeker arrivals - after TPV’s were introduced.

      Ideological arguments back in - blind partisanship to just deny the numbers is a form of moral blindness

    • Geoff says:

      03:45pm | 10/06/10

      persephone

      Your “evidence” is similar to asking an alcoholic if scrapping alcohol taxes is a good idea. It comes from the refugee council. A lefty group which would say anything to ensure its own survival. Your research is bias in the highest degree

    • persephone says:

      04:44pm | 10/06/10

      Geoff

      you don’t even have evidence.

      Just bias.

      If the numbers are wrong, prove them wrong.

      If you can’t, then accept them.

      You will note that I said in my post above that (i) there are countless references for these facts; and (ii) respondents would attack me, rather than come up with numbers of their own.

      Sorry, but unless you can dispute the figures, I win.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:19pm | 10/06/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber,

      You have been told for years that your Beloved Mr Howard’s asylum seeker failed but you still keep your head well and truly in the sand. The figures speak for themselves, the bureau of statistics backs them up but in you sad and delusional state you still cling to the xenophobic rantings of you deposed leader.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:26pm | 10/06/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber,

      You describe the “back door” as having slack controls but it is far easier to enter the country via the front door and illegally stay, and as these people are rarely persecuted they are not entitled to seek asylum, but stay they do and rarely if ever do we here yourself or your ilk complaining about them. Would this be due to the fact that the majority of those overstaying their visa’s are anglo saxon?

    • Ben81 says:

      07:14pm | 10/06/10

      Evan, the figures sure do speak for themselves.  After the message went out loud and clear that we have a law that says arriving here doesn’t mean guaranteed permanent asylum seeker status, among other things, the boats stopped coming.  I love how you people always conveniently ignore those last few years where everything fell into place.  You can’t accept this, because John Howard was involved.

    • Gerry says:

      07:29pm | 10/06/10

      Maybe Eric is really Tony Abbott as these views are definitely in the minority. Does “Eric” know that all of the Tampa refugees are now living in Australia and many have become citizens?
      Given Australia is built on migrants- it’s a bit rich to think we “own” the country. WHat’ll happen when Australia beocmes uninhabitable with climate change and population migration becomes a neccessity?

    • Freeman says:

      08:02pm | 10/06/10

      Persephone, Rob R chateris and the author
      you’re right, TPV’s didn’t go far enough. it was a bandaid measure for a problem that was new to our region (people smuggling). the the Pacific solution, now that was good policy. perhaps you’d like to dispute the effectivness of that?

    • Wazza says:

      08:30pm | 10/06/10

      11,000 arrived, 9,800 were accepted. That means 1,200 were knocked back for various reasons. How many of the 9,800 were allowed to stay by bleeding hearts?

      Had we an open door policy those 1,200 would be here doing God knows what damage. How many of the 9,800 are a threat?

      Our present policy is seen as an invitation and Australians as easy touch suckers. They have little but contempt for us.

      How many of the 150,000 homeless Australians could be living in the housed given over to the refos?

      How much better could our Aboriginies lives be made with the money squandered on these alians?

      Wake up!  Migrants should be selected and permitted in by invitation only.

    • ffred says:

      08:36pm | 10/06/10

      Eric, if you are not Aboriginal/Torres Strait Islander Australian, your forebears illegally invaded their territory, crossed their borders without authority. Have a big think about sovereignty, about man made borders and the European template imposed on a country. Take a lead from the original occupants and welcome people to country, share the bounty and live in peace.

    • Ben81 says:

      09:08pm | 10/06/10

      Evan, regarding your comment about Visa overstayers, the minority of Visa overstayers who don’t go home within 2 weeks of their expiry are chased up to the best of our ability with the resources we have. 

      What’s your point though, is it that we should just say “bugger it, we have people overstaying Visas so we may as well just let the illegal immigrant situation get out of hand too!”
      And how pathetic playing the race card, pure desperation.

    • Aussie mum says:

      02:27pm | 11/06/10

      Your right Eric” UNWANTED BOATS “dropped to near zero under the Howard government when the TPVS was introduced,as an 11th generation Australian a tax payer of some 40 yrs i get nothing from the government,like many my grandfathers,father and brother went to war to protect our country and way of life,i now have a young son doing the same, Australia is the only country these so called asylum seekers don’t have to have any kind of papers to enter,they wouldn’t have been allowed into any other Asian country without papers,so who are these people,how about you bleeding hearts and do gooders start a rooster system and take them into their homes,fed them clothe them ,educate them,so the tax payer doesn’t have to be burdened with free loaders i am sure they will thank you,we can take genuine refugees ,mothers trying to keep their children alive from 1 day to the next in those awful camps,and we will have plenty of money left over to look after our own homeless,it won’t happen Rudd is bankrupting this country with his beloved boat people,stuff us AUSTRALIANS,who are we to complain,[just the tax payers]All men of these boat between 18 and 40 should be sent to boot camp them back to the country they came from to fight for it ,they would rather sit around sucking the life from us tax payers and go Home every few years for extended holidays courtesy of the dole

    • ian forrest says:

      06:40am | 10/06/10

      Japan is one of the largest single donors providing financial aid and assistance to refugees overseas and their government has traditionally adopted tight border controls, fearing immigration could harm social cohesion.

      We also pay out vast sums of money to similar causes and our governments overseas aid programmes. The big difference is that this and the last glorious government doesn’t give two hoots about social cohesion and is permitted immigrants not interested in assimilation. And in the process overwhelm our social services, which could be better spent on our indigenous peoples and ease problems with law and order, schools and hospitals.

      They are a costly mistake we neither want nor can afford. I never hear the words ‘immigration referendum’ mentioned in the election speeches. I wish a democratic vote were possible for all Australians but don’t expect the problem to be tackled anytime soon.

      Since 2001, 25% of the suspected terrorists arrested in Britain have been asylum seekers. We should simply not be accepting asylum applications from countries that are the source of terrorists, and there is no obligation for us to do so.

      one in every three Muslim students in the UK said that killing in the name of religion was justified, with one third also in favour of a worldwide Islamic caliphate, or empire, based on Islamic sharia law

      One of the most amazing statistics in the history of European immigration is that the number of foreign residents in Germany rose steadily between 1971 and 2000 - from three million to about 7.5million - but the number of employed foreigners did not budge. It stayed rock-steady at around two million.

      Our media in general has turned into a left wing propaganda channel that North Korea would be proud of, and we have to tune in to a Middle Eastern news station for uncensored news. Well done the ABC, sky news et al.

    • Fred says:

      08:11am | 10/06/10

      While I don’t completely disagree with you, I fear you’re confusing immigrants with asylum seekers

    • Christian Real says:

      06:43am | 10/06/10

      It appears also that John Howard’s ‘Pacific solution’ in dealing with refugees was in fact a breach of “the refugees Convention of 1951”
      Tony Abbott’s plan to recreate and carbon copy John Howard’s ‘Pacific solution’ is not the answer to address the problems and trauma that these refugees suffer from fleeing their own war torn or strife sticken Countries.
      Why do the Liberal party and their radical supporters demonise and alienate these unfortunate people in the way that they do, and then turn around and attend church and proclaim what great Christians they all are.
      Tony Abbott may attend church, but it appears that he is far from being a Christian,otherwise he would be more compassionate in helping these people seeking help and refuge.
      The so-called ‘Pacific Solution didn’t really work as Howard and all his loyal followers proclaimed, and it wasn’t a solution to the influx of refugees either. because by the figures that you have presented Harry, the influx of refugees were almost four times greater after Howard’s introduction of the TVP’s.
      And 9,800 out of 11,000 refugees granted permanent protection shows that Howard’s ‘Pacific Solution’ policy was a farce, a scam and the biggest con job by any Australian Prime Minister.

    • Old Clive says:

      08:08am | 10/06/10

      Adecision made in 1951 should be revised, just as any decision made by the UN at this time should be looked at very closely. Both of these could be irrevelent to Australia in todays age, do you still drive a car made in 1951, do you still go overseas by ship, 1951 was an eternity ago for todays generation, why should we give asylum seekers the same benefits as our old age pensioners when some of them claim dual citizen ship and draw the pension overseas as Australian citizens when they are evidentally no such citizen. REAL reality is different from what you think it is.

    • persephone says:

      08:47am | 10/06/10

      OK, Old Clive, but explain why.

      Just because something’s old doesn’t mean it’s out of date or irrelevant - I’d be willing to bet money that you’ve been known to turn to the Magna Carta to justify an opinion of yours.

      So we don’t, as a society, revise decisions as a matter of course, but instead do so as the result of changing circumstances.

      I’m not against reveiwing the agreement, but would like you to justify why you think it should be reviewed.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      10:09am | 10/06/10

      persephone :  I’m convinced that you would do ” whatever it takes ” to secure a vote for Labor . A sixty year old convention is unlikely to have much relevance to this problem today. Christian Real would quote Ghengis Khan if it supported his weak case and this is an example of his desperation in the face of a likely Rudd defeat.
      I would guess , perse , that you had tongue firmly in cheek , when you keyed this note. Christian has adopted the bleeding heart approach to the problem but he knows well that the real solution lies in a strict border control policy to stop illegal entry to our country.

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:25am | 10/06/10

      persephone:  I hope they will post my last comment.  It may help.

      This Punch site may be the vanguard of World Cyber Democracy.

    • persephone says:

      11:10am | 10/06/10

      Wayne, my response was to Old Clive’s assertion - with no backing reasons - that an agreement from 1951 needed to be revised.

      Why you interpret that as partisan is beyond me, and says something about the filters through which you view things.

      As I said, in my response to Clive, a review might be worthwhile, but I’d like to see the arguments for it.

      Why don’t you try and convince me there’s good cause to do so?

      In the meantime, I’ll assume that the only reason you and Clive think the convention needs to be reviewed is because you don’t want Australia to accept any refugees from anywhere - because that’s largely what the convention is about.

    • Old Clive says:

      01:54pm | 10/06/10

      I am not against refugees, but I am saying that because of the problems that have arisen since that agreement was formulated in 1951 that it is possible that it should be reviewed and changed if needed. It seems funny somehow that an agreement made when I joined the navy in 1951 at 17 years of age should remain the same when I am now 76. 59 years is a long time in the world today, and as I said this dual citizenship is a con on the Ausrealian taxpayer. Also if I was to try and get legal aid I would be refused, if conditions have changed in the countries that have caused the refugee crisis to escalate, why shouldn’t the countries that take these refugees be able to update their criteria for accepting them.

    • Gary Cox says:

      07:08am | 10/06/10

      Harry, I don’t see you throwing up too many solutions here. At rate of 3 boats a week I don’t think anyone would disagree that something has to change. So even though Tony Abbott’s policy is a bit lazy and not perfect, at the moment its the best alternative we’ve got. But its so easy to be critical and not offer an alternative isn’t it?

    • Sherlock says:

      07:37am | 10/06/10

      That was my thought exactly.

      I see a lot of criticism but nobody offering any solutions except for throwing our borders open to anyone with sufficient financial resources to bribe enough people.

      What about those languishing in refugee camps without the financial resources to get here by boat? Do we have a set number of refugee places available? Does everyone that arrive here by boat mean that’s one less refugee place? Wouldn’t that mean that it’s one rule for the wealthy and another for the poor? Do you think that’s fair?

      You think we’re seeing large number of boats now? Start resettling anyone who makes it here by boat and see what happens then.

      As one of the few that not only criticises but offers an alternative solution I suggest we immediately send anyone who arrives here by boat back to a refugee camp then accept two refugees from the same camp who have applied through official channels.

      Thus Australia would accept even more refugees selected on a basis of need rather than how much cash they had.

    • Fred says:

      08:13am | 10/06/10

      Sherlock - ‘start resettling anyone who makes it here by boat and see what happens then’

      pretty sure we’ve been resettling these people since… well forever.  It’s been documented since at least the 1970’s.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:18am | 10/06/10

      Sherlock,

      I am not sure there is an answer. The worlds population is continually growing and the gap between rich and poor is also growing. Survival is mankind’s prime directive, so we have a problem.

      I go so far as to state, unless the first world countries try to improve standards in third world countries this situation will only get worse. After all, Australia is not the only country will a migrant problem.

    • AdamC says:

      11:13am | 10/06/10

      I agree Gary, there is lots of criticism in this article, but no solutions.

      In my view, you will not reduce arrivals without reintroducing TPVs. Offshore processing and the like are optional extras really.

      People who pretend that, because numbers are relatively low, we should simply ignore the issue are ridiculous. How many before it becomes a problem?

    • perceptions says:

      09:50pm | 10/06/10

      John Neve calls it a “migrant problem” - lol

    • John A Neve says:

      06:00am | 11/06/10

      Perceptions,

      Do you know what the word migrations means?

    • biff says:

      07:25am | 10/06/10

      Harry, close at hand for Sri Lankans fleeing war is India. I can’t imagine what horrors go through the mind of a Sri Lankan who passes up the sanctuary on offer in India and instead sets sail for Australia. And so it is for Afghans fleeing oppression in their own country. Pakistan is a lot closer than Australia. Oh wait, those countries don’t take in refugees. I am still waiting for reports of Pakistan officials carrying out indiscriminate killing of the thousands of Afghans in Pakistan camps. It looks like some sort of refuge is on offer in Pakistan. Why is it that protection is being passed up by Afghans seeking refuge?

    • fairisle says:

      07:56am | 10/06/10

      Who on earth are we protecting this country from?  These are regular - ordinary people coming from horrible situations in their own country and they are a threat?  What threat do they constitute?

      The hard of heart reign - I am no soft touch but by god I will not turn away the needy because they speak a different language, dress differently and arrive now rather than two hundred or less years ago.

      TPV’s are not a solution to the plight of the those people from other countries who need help.  If we haven’t got a way of processing those who come on boats that is humane, then why return to a process which has been proven to be traumatising? 

      There are some things that cast fear into me and it is the lack of heart that appears in the writings of people who would refuse entry to anyone in need.

      The reasons for the crisis of people seeking refuge is global - not something that a country like Australia can manage - and we are not the only country that is dealing with others coming to see refuge.  Focus on the problems and not on the symptoms.  Abbott is using the fear of difference again - haven’t we learnt anything about the world in the last decade?

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:19am | 10/06/10

      You are too naive!
      England has Terrorists that were born in England of immigrants or refugees.
      America has Terrorists that were born in America of Immigrants or refugees.
      Canada has Terrorists that were born in Canada of Immigrants or refugees.
      Australia has Terrorists that were refugees.
      The United Nations agreements on Refugees were formed just 6 years after the horrendous second Great War of World War II.
      They were formed by “so-called” Christian Western nations.
      The UN is NOT a democratic institution.
      There was no Google-Earth or Internet in 1951.
      Today’s Refugees and some immigrants have seen our lifestyle on TV’s, Internet, Google Earth and laptops via supporters already here.
      Very pretty, they say, we can have that!  It is NIRVANA to them!
      There are millions of them and sending boats will continue increasingly for decades as the world sinks into desperation with its Overpopulation and stresses.
      Do you not realise that the Wars are caused by people searching for a better Government?  Democracy perhaps?  You are just weakening that fight for Democracy by allowing them to run here!

      Rather than the costly ETS, stabilising our population will soon lower our unacceptable Carbon Footprint.  Therefore, we are aiding the World problem.
      We were never going to influence what the rest of the world does, it was Kevin’s over-reaching his prowess.  Possibly, he saw it as a foothold to a seat in the UN Security Council.

      Charity begins at home. 
      Our resident population has many problems worse than refugees have experienced.  Let us tend our own society’s problems first.
      We can show an example to the world by stopping world population explosion, which is THE MAIN CAUSE of Climate Change.

      Most of you are too young to understand.  When I was 20 years old, the world population was about two billion with no global warming.
      Now it is seven billion with global warming!
      If there were three Earths with about two billion each, fine!
      However, there is only ONE EARTH with three times as many Factories and Pollutants.
      Surely, this is what some call, “a no-brainer!”
      Or is it you religious or young people who have “no brains?”

    • Lin says:

      11:59pm | 11/06/10

      Sherekahn, wise (and informed) words indeed!

    • biff says:

      08:04am | 10/06/10

      Harry, why not lend your considerable abilities to help working mother Michelle and her children Connor, 11, and Mikayla, 6, who have been living in a Holden Barina for the past two weeks. I can imagine that depressing situation would traumatize her children. Once your work is done there you could help alleviate the trauma felt by the victims who are helped by Open Family Australia, Mission Australia, Oz Child, Ted Noff’s Foundation, Lighthouse Foundation Abused Child Trust, Youth in Crisis, Youth Off the Streets, and, Kids Help Line. That is but a small list of the many hundreds of organisations that would welcome your help.

      I know that work for the above causes won’t get as many headlines but the work is very worthwhile.

    • Nicole says:

      09:39am | 10/06/10

      biff, beautifully said. A young mother with two children sleeps in her car and no one seems to give a rats arse about her. And there are thousands of our very own people in similar and much worse situations, and still no one cares. But yep, let these economical opportunists directly in, give them, food, clothes, a home, money, free education and anything else they request. Hell lets even bring their 50 other family members over too, and give them exactly the same. After all, they are asylum seekers, who pass many safe Countries, including Indonesia, but that place isn’t good enough. No welfare there. To the Australian families, the homeless, the needy, the kids who have been booted out of home, tough luck. You’re not asylum seekers.

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:41am | 10/06/10

      Well said biff:  Our own Society is in a shambles because of lack of finance while we spend $millions trying to impress the World.
      Look to our own first and completely.
      Fred Hollowes, (wonderful man) says: “for $25 we can give them their sight back!”  By removing a cataract I believe.  Our own surgeons Charge $2000.
      There is something out of balance here!

    • persephone says:

      11:00am | 10/06/10

      Sherekahn

      and when Labor tried to reduce the costs of cataract surgery, the Libs opposed it.

      Gives you an idea of the constituency they’re looking out for.

    • persephone says:

      11:05am | 10/06/10

      Well, at least Labor is trying to do something about homelessness and is committed to doing more.

      Abbott hasn’t made any commitments in this area, and when asked to match the government’s, refused to do so.

    • antiperspirant says:

      01:48pm | 10/06/10

      persephone says:

        11:05am | 10/06/10

        “Well, at least Labor is trying to do something about homelessness and is committed to doing more.”

      AT least…HAHAHAHAHA. Committed to do more…..lawl.

      Like its commitment to aboriginal housing, grocery and fuel watch the ets…..need we go on. A commitment from Rudd merely means a thought bubble in the present that will not be pursued in the future.

      His form is on the board. His lies are plain to see.

        ”  Abbott hasn’t made any commitments in this area, and when asked to match the government’s, refused to do so.”

      Oh really. Maybe you heard there is an election coming up. It has a campaign.

      Rudd is doing such a great job of getting some press at the moment for all the wrong reasons why would you say anything.

      This is delicious.

    • persephone says:

      03:35pm | 10/06/10

      perspiration mark

      and have already delivered - 19,300 new homes have been approved for construction.

      Another 10,000 previously uninhabitable homes have been brought back to liveable standards.

      Abbott has been asked directly about matching the government’s commitment to public housing (which Malcolm Turnbull agreed to without hesitation) and made it clear he isn’t interested, because ‘the poor will be with us always’ and ‘people choose to be homeless.’

      You don’t have to wait for campaign speeches to judge the level of commitment a politician is showing to a policy idea.

    • H of SA says:

      03:51pm | 10/06/10

      A woman is living in a car because of asylum seekers eh? I’m more worried about our education system than our housing system if people swallow that crap.

    • antiperspirant says:

      07:26pm | 10/06/10

      Oh dear pers you really are getting desperate.

      Houses “have been approved”. Again lol. Who cares. It is just another empty Labor promise.

      Show me the 10,000 houses brought back to livable standards. What evidence is there of this.

      None.

      Is this another one of those future promises? Another backflip in waiting.


        persephone says:

        10:58am | 10/06/10

        Well, at least I used evidence, Wayne.

        You didn’t, because apparently you don’t have any.

        Saying don’t make it so.”

      Take your own advice. Get some evidence. Not a Labor promise that means nothing, ETS, hospital takeover, laptops, kiddie daycare, any of these ring a bell?

      All broken promises.

      They have done nothing in this area.

      you are proving my argument.

      Thank you.

    • acotrel says:

      08:06am | 10/06/10

      So Tony Abbott is promising a return to ‘howardism’ with all of its mean spirited bashing of minorities in the quest for power?  If Abbott wishes to rescind our signatory status with the UNHCR Treaty he should state that publicly, he could claim that Menzies was demented when he signed it?

    • Daryl says:

      10:25am | 10/06/10

      Ah, democracy is by the majority for the majority Actorel!! If you want minority rule, you may need to move!

    • acker says:

      08:14am | 10/06/10

      The Government has just put a group of asylum seekers in the West Australian outback town of Leonora where their chidren can be schooled. I suggest Harry Minas, Senator Hansen Young, Petro Georgiou and other asylum seeker supporters get behind this scheme, because if they don’t support within the Australian community for the asylum seekers will erode even further, if it appears that asylum seekers supporters like Mr Minas are unhappy about asylum seekers being located in remote communities where Australian taxpayers live and go about their everyday life.

      It will be very hypocritical if the Human Rights lobby suggests that the Asylum seekers should not have to endure living in a remote community such as Leonora, but expect the Leonora locals to continue to live there.

      I suggest the Asylum supporter lobby treads very wearily around this issue, or they may find what support they do have in Australia might collapse under the compelling argument if it is good enough for Australian’s to live in these remote communities why isn’t it good enough for people wanting to become Australian’s to be living in these remote communities.

    • Casey says:

      09:07am | 10/06/10

      Actually Acker, the concern for placing asylum seekers in remote communities such as Leonora isn’t some criticism of your lifestyle, town or hospitality. It is about a need for access to services to assist them to recover from a period of severe trauma (and I’m not just talking about the boat journey, but the life-threatening situation in their home country).

      Trauma and counselling services, among other support services that they will require to make such a dramatic adjustment to life in Australia, which need to be tailored to the needs of asylum seekers are not readily accessible in remote country towns.

    • acker says:

      11:38am | 10/06/10

      @Casey..I see no reason why appropriate counselors should come out to Leonora and other remote communities to meet the needs of the asylum seekers there. These services do not have to stay rooted in cities.

    • ffred says:

      04:06pm | 11/06/10

      acker, it is a real test I agree, but these families taken from horrible conditions on Christmas Island are in a state of limbo, understandably anxious about their future. They are in detention - just ask about the fences and the security guards- and that hardly makes it local living in a country town.  If they are granted permanent protection because they are proven to be refugees,  most likely they will move to somewhere close to people who speak their language, share their culture and understand their refugee experience. I suspect they won’t make friends in Leonora because of the restrictions on them, which is a shame, because support and friendship and living in the community might make some choose to stay.  I know from other refugees that a warm welcome from some in the Leonora community will mean the world to the detainees. Survivors of the Curtin, Woomera, Port Hedland, Baxter, Nauru etc detention often made the distinction: Australian people good people. (Howard’s) Australian Government not.
      acker, there were tens of thousands of Australians involved in supporting people in detention this past decade - travelling long distances to visit in person, phoning every night, writing letters, sending books, clothes, tapes, etc. Rural Australians for Refugees was magnificent in its lobbying and practical humanitarian help. Check it out.

    • dovif says:

      08:22am | 10/06/10

      lets talk about the real issue

      Kevin Rudd called a group of Chinese (including the president) “Rat F**kers”

    • John A Neve says:

      08:46am | 10/06/10

      Dovif,

      Relevance to this topic please?
      Or do you just have a one track mind Dovif?

    • persephone says:

      08:51am | 10/06/10

      Any howls of outrage from the Chinese embassy?

      No?

      So why’s it an issue?

    • iansand says:

      09:01am | 10/06/10

      That’s right.  That is the real issue.  What is Abbott’s policy on accepting Rat F**kers into this country.  We need to know!!!

    • dovif says:

      09:09am | 10/06/10

      Good to know that racism is prospering in the ALP ranks, from the prime minister to the party hacks

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      10:12am | 10/06/10

      Ha, Pers you lighten the day with your inane banter. ‘Any howls of outrage from the Chinese embassy?’ Your clear lack of any understanding of Sino relations indicative in this comment precludes you from making any further comments on the topic I’m afraid.

      Of course they haven’t publicly stated anything, they never would as to do so would risk losing face. But rest assured, Steven Smith has been on the receiving end of an almighty Sino ass-whipping already this week. Expect a public mea-culpa from Krudd in the coming weeks, probably about the time he needs to divert attention from another failed policy or two. Aren’t you sick of defending this moron already?

      And John, you are right, it’s completely off topic but when the apparatchik Pers throws in her two cents, I feel duty bound to point out her stupidity.

    • Ryan says:

      10:20am | 10/06/10

      @persephone: well perhaps the Chinese haven’t figured out that we have a foul mouthed, common, and very racist prime minister.

    • John A Neve says:

      01:09pm | 10/06/10

      Dovif,

      Your latest post is even (if that is possible), more irrelevant than your first!!!
      Please, pretty please explain your comments, that is if there is an explanation?

    • Eye4anEye says:

      03:58pm | 10/06/10

      They may not be howling about it Pers but it will have been noted and will have some affect on relations (as it should).

      I think it’s also an issue that we have an undiplomatic, rude, angry, foul mouthed, lieing and abusive man running the country.

    • James1 says:

      10:50am | 11/06/10

      Sorry all of you bashing our relationship with China, but this year has just been declared the “Year of Australian Culture” in China.  Hardly a sign of a relationship on the rocks.

    • casba says:

      08:41am | 10/06/10

      @dovif
      To some, your comment might appear to have come completely out of left field but, in fact, your comment is spot on, Dovif!  Any smoke screen will do for the lefties out there who write these aritcles and who desperately want to deflect the attention away from the real issue that is the centre of the debate-the potty mouthed Prime MInister and the bunch of incompetents whose government he leads.

    • Carter says:

      09:04am | 10/06/10

      I’m bemused as to why the Government’s critics insist on using boat people to highlight poor immigration policy?

      Only 1 percent of our ‘illigel’ immigrants come off boats - the rest over stay visas, etc… Why isn’t Tony Abbott using them?

      Perhaps their media image isn’t as emotive as people on boats…

    • Deborah Zion says:

      09:07am | 10/06/10

      Good for you Harry. Thanks

    • Ex Teacher says:

      09:09am | 10/06/10

      The reason why the issue of asylum seekers or unlawful non-citizens by boat arrival is still an issue is that these people however in danger they are, bypass several countries where they might seek haven or actually transit through safe countries to get here. 

      Until you can stop that reality the average person will continue to legitimately question these arrivals.

    • Kathrine Grant says:

      09:15am | 10/06/10

      How sad it is that there are so many xenophobes in Australia.  I am an atheist but if, like Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd, I was a Christian I would be asking myself ‘what would Jesus do?’.

    • David says:

      09:24am | 10/06/10

      Are TPVs of some sort really such a bad thing? Perhaps what needs to change is the nature of TPVs.  This could be done.
      Perhaps we also need to introduce a requirement to show a birth certificate (proving right of residence here) or other documentation such as a TPV or work permit before anyone can access employment or any form of social security. Then make it essential to review this every so often, Anyone failing to produce such documentation or view it before employing someone should be deported if not here legally or heavily fined if doing the employing.
      Yes, smacks of Big Brother but would perhaps reduce the number who overstay and reduce the boat arrivals as well. While people believe they can come (by whatever means) and stay they are going to do it.

    • ffred says:

      10:47pm | 10/06/10

      David , the P in TPV stands for PROTECTION to which asylum seekers fleeing persecution have a right . Making this temporary, as Howard did, condemned people who were refugees all along, to three and up to seven years of a life in limbo, insecure, fearful of being deported back to danger. If only you knew the grief this caused to men who wanted to provide for and protect their family, and could not.We have yet to hear their own accounts of their suffering under Howard policies. May be their children will.
      A problem, David. Many asylum seekers from countrieslike Afghanistan do not have birth certificates or even exact birth days. Immigration invents one - first of January, first of July.

    • Casey says:

      09:31am | 10/06/10

      Harry - thank you for a great article.

      Your background on mental health of detainees and your advisory role on the Immigration Council make you an authoritative and compelling spokesperson on this issue. I’d personally love to hear more from you in other public forums.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      10:12am | 10/06/10

      Australia needs to look out for Australians!

      If you are here now or were born here you are Australian.

      We can start by ceasing this multiculturalism crap. By no means ban a culture but rather fail to promote that it’s acceptable.

      Immigration (in general terms) doesn’t offer benefit to us at this stage does it?

    • Dash says:

      10:19am | 10/06/10

      Harry, you have made a lot of negative noise but you haven’t offered a solution! Do we assume your solution is do nothing? Fact of the matter is that the population wants tougher border protection and both the Greens and Labor are soft on boarder protection. The greens policy is to have no policy at all. That’s out of it’s mind. The other fact is that Rudd and Labor campaigned at the last election with the cry “I’ll turn the boats around”. This proved to be yet another lie and people have had enough.

    • Bruce says:

      12:58pm | 10/06/10

      Dash agree: Bottom line is the current policy is NOT working. I am sick of the politics. It appears that the people who comment hear just line up with their political party of choice and defend their approach. I do not care which one of our political parties gets the right answer. Just fix the problem.

    • Alicia says:

      10:30am | 10/06/10

      13,000 refugees for Australia every year, (we don’t accept more becuase more are coming by boat) those sitting on borders in camps overseas have to wait for others who pay people smugglers arriving by boat first. Doesn’t seem fair to me. Stop the boats!

    • Willy K says:

      10:49am | 10/06/10

      So lets get it straight.  Abbott is a racist for wanting to stop organised crime from smuggling queue jumpers and desperate people.  But Kevin Rudd calling our Chinese friends (who prop up our whole economy) “RAT F*CKERS” is all fine?

      Rudd’s comments have swept through Chinese media like wildfire.  In a country where respect, etiquette, and manners are an art-form, Rudd has single-handedly set relations back to the stone age.

      Rudd a diplomat?  Hilarious.  He now will never ever be allowed near the UN Security council seat that he so coverts.

    • Roja says:

      11:08am | 10/06/10

      Hearsay evidence is hardly admissible, besides can you even speak or read Mandarin to back up your statement ‘swept through Chinese media like wildfire’. 

      I only ask because I can’t find any mention of it in the English language versions of the Chinese media.

    • Realist says:

      11:26am | 10/06/10

      Willy,
      It must come as no surprise that Rudd is a failure as a Diplomat? He’s a failure in everything else…The Americans hate him due to his shanenigans with Bush. He thought Obama was going to love him….Hahahaha Not really!!
      And Rudd’s policies towards Asylum seekers caused the death of many. Nobody can morally make the case that leaking boats are justified, or that human trafficking has its place in international relations.
      I am not against refugees…Australia should bring more of them every year in return to complete ban in boat arrivals. Just let everyone know…if you arrived by boat you won’t be receiving a permanent residency in Australia. Ever.
      If that was the case the boats would stop and Australia should them offer say more 1000 places yearly for humanitarian purposes.  That would offer real tangible benefits to people who respect Australian law and real penalties for those who don’t.
      I have a friend. He is African and spent three years hiding in jungle until his papers were ready to come to Australia. It is not fair that his place has been certainly taken by others who jump the queue. For any one who comes here jumping the queue, another one like my friend will be waiting in the jungle with their families for yet another year…...

    • persephone says:

      11:57am | 10/06/10

      Er, Willy, you’re the one who’s raised the issue of racism.

      Why did you do that?

      And if it was sweeping through the Chinese media, I’m sure there’d be some reference to that in our own.

    • Saskia says:

      11:14am | 10/06/10

      How about we all put the same energy into helping Australians here that are doing it tough?

      So tired of the millions spent on queue jumpers and country shoppers how could afford thousands to pay crims to smuggle them when we have mums and little kids in every city being bashed, abused, and with bugger all.

      How about helping our own first for a change? 

      Do a night on soup kitchen duty in any of our cities and it will break your heart.

    • Dognuts says:

      12:46pm | 10/06/10

      When you live in a capitalist society, the sad fact is that some will succeed and some will fail (albeit not always for reasons of their own making). Agreed, we don’t always succeed in helping the most desperate, but you would have to admit that we have one of the worlds best safety nets and that there is only so much that can be done by the state to assist those doing it tough. This does not absolve us in any way of our duty to help those less fortunate from other countries. I reckon you would struggle to find a single Australian living in difficult circumstances who is doing so as a direct result of any governemnt policy on asylum seekers, so you are just throwing a red herring into the debate by trying to link the two. Totally different issues.

      You cannot blame people for wanting to better their lives. Why force them to settle for less. Let me use an analogy to demonstrate my point. Say you live in Sydney and currently reside in Mt Druitt. You do well in life, and can afford to move to a more desirable suburb. You want to move to say Mosman since this is your idea of an idyllic utopia, but the residents and leaders of Mosman rally together and decide that you are not from here, therefore have no business being here and since you had to travel through many perfectly good suburbs to get from Mt Druitt to Mosman, that you should choose on of them instead (just for fun, imagine you are dark skinned and adhere to foreign customs). The reason why they don’t want you? No one can quite explain, but basically it has been decided that since you are not from here, you won’t fit in because your customs are different and you look, dress and speak a bit funny. The residents of Mosman arrest you as turn onto Military Rd and ship you to a holding area on Lord Howe Island while they try to come up with reasons why you shouldn’t be allowed to enter. You are held there for 3 years until the time comes when no one can actually find a good reason to keep you out, and you can finally move to Mosman. You now are probably sitting there wondering what the hell is going on. Same goes for asylum seekers. Yes, India, Malaysia, Indonesia etc. may be perfectly adequate, but you can’t blame them for seeking something a little better than adequate. Thus they seek to come to Australia; their version of the idyllic utopia.

    • James1 says:

      12:54pm | 10/06/10

      We do help our own.  The mechanism we use is called the welfare state.  I do not think we need to expand it further, as the lazy and the unemployed can already access all the help they need.  If they don’t like what they get and want more, they can always get jobs like the rest of us.

    • Andrew says:

      11:59am | 10/06/10

      How is Abbott a prospect for prime minister? he has no policy proposals that are, A) not regurgitated John Howard Policy, B) knee-jerk reaction to ALP policy proposals, (They propose this so I propose the opposite)  or C) Completely laughable and rejected by his own backbench

    • Julie says:

      02:48pm | 10/06/10

      I’d vote for Abbott over Kevin Rudd anyday, Rudd as PM is laughable.

    • Eric says:

      07:38pm | 10/06/10

      Abbott is a very good prospect for Prime Minister, simply because he proposes to reinstate Howard’s successful policies over Rudd’s failed nonsense.

    • Ian says:

      12:04pm | 10/06/10

      Some of you bleeding hearts that think Abbott shouldn’t have policy’s to deter asylum seekers from taking the people smuggler/boat option should go to refugee camps where desperate refugees are waiting in line for years to come to Australia and ask them what they think of cashed up asylum seekers who put them to the back of the line. You bleeding hearts don’t seem to want to see their side of this story.

    • ffred says:

      02:39pm | 11/06/10

      Been there done that, and know the hardest think is for an Autralian official to chose you, and not you in a refugee camp. The Cabinet sets a quota each year, and this year it’s 6 000 people whom we volunteer to settle out of UNHCR’s waiting list. We don’t have to do this, but we do as a humanitarian contribution to the world’s dispossessed , as a good world citizen.  keep. But Ian, asylum seekers are in a different ball park, so to speak. They are fleeing persecution and CANNOT reach a UNHCR camp to get registered and assessed order to join a resettlement queue of about 100 000, of which we take only 6 000. Have a think about what that could be like. Start in the mountains of Afghanistan. And back to basics on who is a refugee. It’s got to do with persecution not poverty or wealth. The Shah of Persia was a refugee. How you travel and how you paid for the travel is immaterial to being an asylum seeker fleeing persecution who gets confirmed to be a refugee..

    • nosthow says:

      12:08pm | 10/06/10

      Abbott is a shameful excuse for an Opposition leader and of course when he has no policies he just reaches back into the past and “borrows” Howards old ones - forgetting of course the Australian public voted Howard out including howard losing his own seat based on these old and often draconian policies. Abbott = Empty Vessel !

    • sonya says:

      01:27pm | 10/06/10

      how would you do it then?
      at least the pacific solution lessens the number of people smugglers and their dangerous vessels, usually dirty and overcrowded, from dumping on our shores and making demands of the australian welfare system…

    • Dash says:

      01:51pm | 10/06/10

      Nosthow I’ll give you 23million for grocery choices and 50 million for Fuelwatch. I’ll give you 40+ billion for a national broadband network yet to be delivered. I’ll promise every child a laptop (eventually). I’ll give you all $900 for nothing, spend your surplus and rack up record foreign debt. I’ll take 30% of your GST and I’ll remove your private health rebate. I’ll reduce your family assistance payments and not build 200+ childcare facilities. I’ll sit and watch interest rates rise but promise you more affordable housing. I’ll tell you I’m an economic conservative and then spend more than any other prime minister in our history. I’ll promise to turn the boats around and you can have a billion for public health and a billion of my super tax because you’re Queensland. I’ll remove the tax incentive for you to save more for your retirement, insulate your home and then burn it down. I’ll promise tax reform and then just create a new one. There you go, I’ve given you heaps of policy. Sound familiar? Just as well I’m not an empty vessel, otherwise your kids might have had a future free from government debt!

    • H of SA says:

      12:38pm | 10/06/10

      Nice one Harry, the key part is the recorded facts in the middle that this scheme worked. So again its fact versus fear in the battle to convince Aussies. Lets see if we grew up from last time.

    • Dognuts says:

      01:31pm | 10/06/10

      Just saw something to make your day…......................check out the Daily Telegraph and the “single, working mum who sleeps in her car” story. According to a good number of commentators, it is the fault of boat people….........P*ss funny stuff until you realise that these people are serious

    • H of SA says:

      02:10pm | 10/06/10

      Nothing so frightening as the fact that the refugee football is considered a “vote winner” in an allegedly civilised society. Terrifying that anybody, anywhere would believe that stuff

    • James1 says:

      02:13pm | 10/06/10

      Classic stuff.  They must think Afghanistan is a picnic if they compare Afghan refugees to a lady living in a car for two weeks.  Some people are sheltered.

    • Nicole says:

      02:26pm | 10/06/10

      Dognuts, I will agree they’re not the sharpest knives in the draw, but I think what they’re trying to say is the Government can throw money, housing, everything at the asylum seekers, yet they can not help this young mother with two children put a roof over their heads. Sad really. Charity begins at home.

    • James1 says:

      03:05pm | 10/06/10

      Nicole,

      Given that the government chooses to imprison them, it is only right that it gives them a roof and food.  Do you mean to say we should leave other mothers with young children on the street simply because they are asylum seekers?

      In any case, I read the story, and if she can afford $300 a week in rent, she can afford a caravan or a single bedroom flat or something.  Like Tony Abbott said, some people seem to choose their bad circumstances.

    • Dognuts says:

      03:54pm | 10/06/10

      Nicole, I beg to differ on that one. Treating it like some kind of zero-sum game is for simpletons. By stating that by helping our boat hopping bretheren and not helping her (can we establish that as fact btw?) means the goverment favours asylum seekers over its own citizenry, which is plain wrong. The fact that the mum in the car was on one of those 6:30pm confected outrage TV programs suggests that the story could possibly be a beat up. I would have thought that with the vast array of pickings on offer in the form of welfare that there surely must have been some avenue of assistance for her. If not, then that is indeed a concern, but it would take a genuine fool to suggest that her situation is the result of being overlooked in favour of asylum seekers.

    • iansand says:

      04:08pm | 10/06/10

      Dognuts - That means that in the future you can safely ignore those commentators.  They are obviously barking mad.

    • Nicole says:

      04:14pm | 10/06/10

      No James1, if you in fact did read the story, she was repeatedly knocked back by Real Estate Agents. It’s very easy for you to say if she can afford $300 a week in rent, then she can afford a caravan or a single bedroom flat, but perhaps none of those are options when you take in to consideration the location of her work and her kids school. And given the fact that this single woman contributes by actually going to work, then the Government should damn well help her out. Or is it ok for her to be out on the street, with two little kids in tow, because she’s Australian?

    • H of SA says:

      06:52pm | 10/06/10

      So it was on a 6:30 program, and it also claims that a lady is living in a car because - of all things - asylum seekers. Blaming the aliens would have been more credible. It beggars belief that a program, even as trashy as a 6:30 show, thinks it can get away with that. Just how little respect do they have for their audience?

    • James1 says:

      10:49am | 11/06/10

      Nicole, I do not think we should discriminate against people for any reason.  You however are clearly happy for children from other countries to be homeless simply because we must deal with some woman who can’t get herself together. 

      My question is, why doesn’t her family or friends help her out?  Why should the government do it?  She clearly states in the video attached to your link that she hasn’t even told most of her friends and family out of shame - she is hardly desperate or struggling at all, she just puts her own sense of pride before the welfare of her children.  She deserves no pity, and will get none from me. 

      The asylum seekers have braved things this woman could not even imagine, put aside their self-respect and pride for a chance to not be killed and have a better life.  I respect and would support people like that over some fool who puts her pride before her children any day.

    • Paul Allen says:

      02:16pm | 10/06/10

      The answer is simple, send our minister to the refugee camps around the world, invite these poor suffering individuals who cannot afford an airfare to indionesia to come here on tax payer funded planes[our air force] and when we have our 10,000.00 for the year, tell all the queue jumpers we are full.
      Give the real poor, down trodden and the needy first chance instead of last chance.

    • Moggy says:

      03:59pm | 10/06/10

      I seriously believe that the Libs don’t want to win the coming election. I think they’re quite happy to sit back & watch Krudd & Ko totally wreck the country & then take over with a huge majority & not be bothered by the Greens in 2014!.  Abbott is a care taker looking after things until after the next election, then I bet he hands it all back to Turnbull!

    • wake up sheeple says:

      04:41pm | 10/06/10

      I am tired of the arguments over illegal invaders.
      (they are not immigrants - they are economic and welfare country shopping)

      It is NOT Australia’s problem that these countries cannot support or protect these people. I am simply appalled by all those who would allow these people into our country, into government assisted housing, onto welfare payments, into free schooling, onto free health care….

      WHEN

      Australian pensioners, Australian Aborigines and the Australian homeless live like PAUPERS in this country.

      All the healthy Afghan and Iraqi men on boats should be back in there own countries making a difference. Not only do they come here. Then they bring in every member of their extended family. For Australian taxpayers to support. And these comments are littered with bleeding hearts - you have all been brainwashed into thinking it is our problem - it is NOT.

      I am not interested in being politically correct or siding with left and right.
      Time to deal with what is wrong and right. Illegal invaders should be removed immediately and sent back to their originating countries. I don’t care about the UN. I don’t care about countries who are in perpetual war. I just don’t care. I am thoroughly fed up and sick and tired of governments who want to burden our society with more and more and more people who do not contribute and who fail to assimilate.

      Our governments have burned the ordinary Australian taxpayer to the point where we are all debt slaves. Until ANY government can prove that our pensions, homeless and Aboriginal Australians are taken care care of then WHY should we be taking more and more and more people into the welfare system?????? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

    • Gavin says:

      11:08pm | 10/06/10

      Best post on this issue yet!!
      Should be on the front page of The Age tomorrow.

    • James1 says:

      10:44am | 11/06/10

      “All the healthy Afghan and Iraqi men on boats should be back in there own countries making a difference.”

      I fail to see what difference they will make if they will be tortured and killed by the Taliban.  Are you even aware of how evil the Taliban are?  They cut off the lips and noses of anyone seen speaking to coalition soldiers.  Would you be willing to risk having your nose and lips cut off to “make a difference”?  If not, you have no place making such comments.  This is perhaps the worst, least informed comment on the situation in Afghanistan I have ever seen.  It is you who must wake up, sir.

      And we should not increase welfare to Aborigines and homeless people.  Those who squander it on drugs and alcohol would simply have more money to squander on drugs and alcohol.  It is called Moral Hazard, look it up sometime.

    • uli says:

      02:04pm | 11/06/10

      James1

      The misguided advocates of open borders…

      ‘The vital interest all societies have in controlling a territory also falsifies the assertion that national security consists solely of defending individual citizens from attack by vetting immigrants for terrorist connections as is already the practice with tourists.

      Unlike tourists, immigrants affect the receiving country’s identity and cohesion. Societies have a corporate interest in retaining national sovereignty, which entails control of a territory, which in turn implies the will to defend against displacement in that territory. Inviting the world to a country as prosperous as Australia would result in the displacement of the Australian people inside their historical homeland. ...  ‘

      https://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2010/6/the-misguided-advocates-of-open-borders

    • Lin says:

      12:41am | 12/06/10

      Uli, excellent article, I like the following parts too, although they talk more generally about migration of diverse ethnic groups:

      “Unrestricted migration would harm Australia’s national interests in ways documented by scholars in economics, sociology and related disciplines. Much of the harm is predictable from what is known about the dysfunctions of diversity. They include growing inequality in the especially invidious form of ethnic stratification. No one likes to be ruled over by a different ethnic group or to see his own people worse off than others. The result is resentment or contempt, depending on the perspective taken.
      Diversity has also been associated with reduced democracy, slowed economic growth, falling social cohesion and foreign aid, as well as rising corruption and risk of civil conflict.
      Rising diversity within human societies tends to drive people apart, causing them to take sanctuary in individual pursuits and ethnic communities. The practical consequences are reduced public altruism or social capital, evident in falling volunteerism, government welfare for the aged and sick, public health care and a general loss of trust. Ethnic diversity is second only to lack of democracy in predicting civil war. Globally it correlates negatively with governmental efficiency and prosperity.
      Thus the thrust of accumulating research in several disciplines indicates that unrestricted mass immigration would be disastrous for wealthy countries.
      As the late Garrett Hardin pointed out, allowing poor countries, which generally have high birth rates, the expedient of offloading excess population on low-birth rate regions reduces the incentive to solve their own population problem, for example by tackling the poverty and under-education of women. Global overpopulation can only be solved one country at a time, not by rewarding profligacy.”

      This is what informed realists have known all along, while bleeding heart idealists have been in their fairy land and the governments have forced upon Australia who ever the ‘brains’ of the day suggested. Now the consequences are already upon us, something that the majority of Australians resent. And this in a so called sovereign democracy!!

    • yy888 says:

      05:14pm | 10/06/10

      Yes to temporary visas.
      Yes to sending illegals back to whence they came.
      Yes to sending a clear message that Australia is NOT an easy country to gain residency in
      Yes to stopping the wars in these countries and supporting these people in their home countries so they don’t come here to ours.
      Yes to reducing both illegal and legal immigration ASAP.

    • ETS = ENORMOUS TAX SCAM says:

      05:37pm | 10/06/10

      Australian are unbelievably naive and gullible and boy do these comments reflect that. Australians do NOT have to accept ANYONE and EVERYONE who wants to come here.  It’s time to realise that these illegal WARS are creating illegal immigration. Time for the soldiers to leave and time for these people to step up and create their own futures in their own countries.

      We need temporary visas and we need tough border protection. Australia should also reduce our legal immigration and start to look after those who are already here and. Yes, that’s right - there are Australians in dire need. We cannot have an open door policy so time Australians woke up to the fact.

      We have homeless FAMILIES in Australia and Rudd’s illegals are being housed for FREE in resort motels. What have they “done” to deserve our governments support?  They have been waiting to enter our country illegally because they know Australia is a WELFARE country. We are all paying for this and I’d rather support AUSTRALIANS. If we have to accept illegals then it needs to be temporary whether that means days, weeks months or years. No permanent residency should be allowed under ANY circumstances.

      As someone else said above: CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

    • go on says:

      11:34am | 11/06/10

      Start by letting the homeless live with you then bigmouth.

    • Labor Ruined NSW says:

      06:21pm | 10/06/10

      Harry,

      in all honesty I would rather the thousands of homeless people in this country have a roof over their head than have thousands of refugees in detention centers. The fact that this current government sees fit to spend billions on these refugees to put them up in motels and resorts is an insult to Australian tax payers. I want the the Australian government to look after Aussies first. when they can do this, maybe I will start giving a rats about the rest of the Worlds problems.

    • persephone says:

      07:01pm | 10/06/10

      Labor Ruined

      Howard did exactly the same thing - and that he spent more billions than Labor is on housing refugees.

      Here’s a reference to motels being used in 2004:

      http://www.safecom.org.au/2004/11/refugees-ensuring-renewed-national.htm

      On the other side of the coin, Labor is doing far more for the homeless than any government in recent times.

    • antiperspirant says:

      08:46am | 11/06/10

      “On the other side of the coin, Labor is doing far more for the homeless than any government in recent times. “

      This a claim without basis and substance.

      I remind you again of your words


        persephone says:

        10:58am | 10/06/10

        Well, at least I used evidence, Wayne.

        You didn’t, because apparently you don’t have any.

        Saying don’t make it so.”

      Try and live up to your own standards.

      Repetition of a mantra means nought. Ask the NT aboriginal communities how they are enjoying their new housing as promised.

      The form is on the board.

      I love how your debate points are now turned into Labor spent less than the Liberals.

      Race to the bottom pers. Your leader has taken a policy that had fixed the problem with record lows in detention and now has filled up Christmas Island, caused many to be transported to various detention centres on the mainland to ease overcrowding on the Island (you know the “not the Pacific Solution” solution) and now necessitates the opening of disused miners quarters in WA.

      It is a flood of arrivals not a few. And you claim you lot is better.

      159 dead and counting. How humanitariian.

    • miles says:

      08:07pm | 10/06/10

      Well, I have been reading through these comments and as previously noted, there is a lot of argument but no solutions being offered.

      Here is a simple (but hopefully not simplistic) thought. Couldn’t asylum seekers over and above our quotas be accommodated for by reducing the immigration intake proportionally?

      It seems to be the case that most Australians worried about refugees are more worried about excess levels of immigration. I think that anyone with the wherewithal to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and find their way halfway around the world under cover of darkness (so to speak) has as much to give this country as any economic migrant. Seems like a fair swap to me!

    • rrobin says:

      12:21am | 11/06/10

      Sure miles lets bring even more of the poor, downtrodden and unskilled of the world and make them into the entrenched poor of Australia. Will you be paying their welfare bills? Because I don’t want to.

    • miles says:

      07:37pm | 11/06/10

      @rrobin
      Maybe you misunderstood. First off, refugees are not dole bludgers… except on today, tonight. Secondly, a good portion of the migration to Australia centres on skills and capital. Devaluing investment into the local education system and encouraging an aging population (ie. those with enough years under their belt to have acquired both skills and money).

      I am advocating for replacing those economic and lifestyle migrants with people who are willing and able to get a shot at life and make something of themselves. And by and large, they do. You don’t build a country with off-shore capital, you build it with people investing in the place where they live. Socially and economically.

      I don’t know if I am willing or able to pay their welfare bills, but I’d bloody well prefer that to paying welfare for some aging pommy or some of the bigots in this country.

      Fortunately that is not how welfare works. It works on need and need alone.

    • Freeman says:

      08:24pm | 10/06/10

      Harry Minas,
      do you take us for fools? you think we can’t see your attempt to rewrite history here? you take on the argument over TPV’s but you have deliberatley neglected to mention the pacific solution which is the policy that stopped the boats. by leaving that crucial part of the story out you will appear to your audience as either ignorant or sneaky

    • ffred says:

      08:27pm | 10/06/10

      Thanks Harry- you speak the truth.Abbott and Morrison are stupid to repeat the failed experiment of Nauru/ Manus and the wicked TPV which persecuted the waiting wives and children of men who fled persecution and were refugees from the moment they left. All pollies tell us we have a proud history of refugee settlement. Rubbish. Howard and Ruddock did their evil best to stop bono fide refugees from getting to this safe country, Rudd talks of it and Abbott promises to do so. It may be inconvenient that some -relatively few- cross out border, but when they meet the Convention criteria they are refugees, just like the ones cherry picked from UNHCR camps.What is missing from this and every discussion on the subject is the voice of those who came on the boats, and were given the gift of a new,safe life in this country. Few of the contributors above appear to have heard first hand, the story of a refugee

    • Ben81 says:

      01:17am | 11/06/10

      Yeah most of the world sucks and there’s millions of people all over the place who would fit our criteria to be taken in as refugees. 
      You have to recognise though that we can’t possibly take in even 0.1% of these people, and encouraging the outsourcing of part of our intake to people smugglers is plain irresponsible, and it’s pretty far from “evil” to put a stop to them no matter what emotional language you use. 
      Sometimes reality is ugly and may contradict your political views, but you’re talking as if Howard wanted to stop taking in refugees!

    • Eye4anEye says:

      02:12pm | 11/06/10

      Heres the story of a refugee ffred:

      I fled my country to a refugee camp it was relatively squalid and crap I had a leaky tent to sleep in, I waited and waited to be relocated and I died on the waiting list because someone that jumped in on a boat (for thousands of US $‘s which I could never have had) got my potential spot the end.

      Most people here arn’t against refugees - they are against illegal, que jumping asylum seekers who pay alot of money (always wonder where they come up with such large sums if they are in such hardship) to cheat the correct process.

    • ffred says:

      03:03pm | 11/06/10

      Ben 81, Howard and the controlling Ruddock wanted only to chose from the UNHCR resettlement waiting list in Africa, Thailand, Bangladesh, Iran, Pakistan etc .,  and held to strick quotas - 3 000 for Convention refugees.  During Howard’s regime, which saw the mass outflow of Iraqis and Afghans fleeing from their war torn countries, that number hardly increased. Shame on The Coalition. The Labor government increased it to 6000 places.

      Australia is a significant contributer to the resettlement of UNHCR refugees , but it’s our choice,our moral obligation maybe as a wealthy developed nation , but not a legal obligation

      By contrast asylum seekers ARE our legal obligation and we have no choice BUT to give them safety and shelter, and assess their claims. Resettleing tose who are confirmed to be refugees is OUR CHOICE, and thankfully, we do.  Australia has never experienced mass border crossings , and the few thousands who risked tasking unseaworthy boats are self starters, asylum seekers searching for a safe country, often any country. 

      You need to look beyond what the good guys in government choose to do, and what they must do. Adding in any way to the suffering of bona fide people fleeing persecution is legally and morally wrong and asylum seekers musty be helped not hindered, protected, not punished.  We need an internationl strategy from the world’s good guys to stop the persecution that makes good people have to leave home.

    • ffred says:

      03:47pm | 11/06/10

      Eye4anEye, your pseudonym says it all!
      UNHCR camps can be just as you describe, inadequate and places of utmost despair because resettlement countries don’t take more. People die of injuries, of disease and old age. The non UNHCR camps are usually worse. So why doesn’t Australia take a few more as part of the 300 000 arrivals last year? A few less guest workers, a few more refugees.  Mostly refugees prove to be good value, good contributors, loyal law abiding citizens who love freedom and democracy.

      Now, what’s this queue jumping stuff?  It was Ruddock I believe         (please correct me if I’m wrong)  who decided that in order to keep within the orderly contolled migration of selected refugees from all over the world, that any one coming outside this managed program seeking asylum, and being confirmed to be a refugee, would knock off a place in his set quota. The link so made is contrived to keep the numbers down. Control is everything.
      You see, asylum seekers are a messy business and must be dealt with in an international legal framework. Immigration is inward looking, with a domestic focus. Their job and mindset is to SELECT immigrants and “humanitarian entrants”. Asylum seekers are in fact potential refugees , but until they have their claims for protection tested and assessed, they cannot be called “Convention refugees” like those in UNHCR camps waiting to be resettled in a safe country.

      Yes it is complex, and Eye4an Eye, I challenge you to meet and talk with some real Australians of refugee background in your community. However, it is my long experience over 30 years that rusted on negative attitudes towards refugees and suntanned immigrants and those who do not speak English well, rarely change.

    • Eye4anEye says:

      12:26pm | 15/06/10

      “Yes it is complex, and Eye4an Eye, I challenge you to meet and talk with some real Australians of refugee background in your community. However, it is my long experience over 30 years that rusted on negative attitudes towards refugees and suntanned immigrants and those who do not speak English well, rarely change.”

      Interesting how you managed to extrapolate that I’m a racist from my comment - this is the catchcry of bleeding hearts everywhere when someone doesn’t agree with your opinion “oh your racist”  I honestly don’t see how you could have gotten that from my post.

    • Tails says:

      09:44pm | 10/06/10

      To everyone who has posted a comment above, especially the ones that clearly spent hours researching their arguments before posting, tomorrow, think about how your little key-mash rant made a difference.
      If you’re that sure you’re right and you’re that sure you know the solution, do something the frick about it.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:40am | 11/06/10

      From the parliamentary library.

      See the bit where it says that resettlement has no legal basis?


      The reality is that only a small proportion of asylum seekers are registered with the UNHCR:
      UNHCR offices registered some 73 400 applications out of the total of 861 400 claims in 2008. This number has decreased compared to 2007 (79 800 claims). The office’s share in the global number of applications registered stood at 9 per cent in 2008 compared to 15 per cent in 2006 and 12 per cent in 2007. As the overall number of applications has continued to rise, states are increasingly taking responsibility for refugee status determination.19
      Once registered with the UNHCR, many refugees seek resettlement to a country such as Australia. Refugees do not have a right to be resettled, and states are not obliged under the 1951 Refugee Convention or any other instrument to accept refugees for resettlement. It is a voluntary scheme co-ordinated by the UNHCR which, amongst other things facilitates burden-sharing amongst signatory states. Resettlement therefore complements and is not a substitute for the provision of protection to people who apply for asylum under the Convention.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:53pm | 11/06/10

      In other words the morons in the Australian public have been scammed by the govt. for 10 years or more and are so frigging dumb they don’t even know it.

      You want to pay $300 million per annum for people who are not entitled to further protection while paying $300 million per annum to lock up and try and deny the people who are entitled to that protection.

    • Labor Ruined NSW says:

      08:03pm | 11/06/10

      Oh Marilyn, so high and mighty. So you believe the government should do all in its powers to encourage people to pay large sums of money to be shipped to Australia on dangerous unseaworthy boats. Hundreds are drowning because this government won’t send a message. Do you cheer for the people smugglers? By your idiotic logic they must be real humanitarians huh?

      Only a couple of weeks ago on SBS,  a people smuggler awaiting deportation to Australia admitted that the change in government policy is what has caused so many boats. I think his exact words were ” the door is open”.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      09:08pm | 11/06/10

      The door is open because of the refugee convention, it is nothing at all to do with smuggling or any of the other mindless drivel this nation whines on about.

      I find it extraordinary that so many kid themselves into believing a short boat trip from Indonesia to Ashmore Reef to seek our help is more dangerous than being bombed to bits in Afghanistan.

      The government of both colours don’t give a toss about the refugees who need help, they just want to deny them the right to that help and that my old son is illegal.

      They make the choice because sensible suggestions for the past decade have been ignored.

      It has been suggested by many including the UNHCR and Indonesia that we stop locking them up in Indonesia and help the refugees re-settle here quickly.

      But we then use the excuse not to do that because refugees assessed in other countries have no right to be refugees in Australia.

      We go around in this demented circle while simply trying to control things.

      And I have no quarrel with “people smugglers”, they are only getting people away from a place where they can be killed or tortured.  It has been happening since the beginning of time and we are the only country wilfully breaking the law to make it a crime.

      No-one is being smuggled to Australia, they pay for transport and they arrive, end of story.

    • ffred says:

      04:46pm | 11/06/10

      Marilyn, you are right to point out the stupidity and contradiction of being a generous refugee resettlement country (VOLUNTARY)  and an atrocious waster of good money to breach the UN Refugees Convention and fail to fully meet our obligations(COMPULSORY)  as a signatory country.

      Politicians on both sides pat us on the back for our ” proud history” in refugee settlement. We took tens of thousands of stateless and dispossed survivors of World War II, and look what a good and successful move that was! We gained Arvi Parvol and other business moguls, Gus Nossel and other brilliant scientists and administrators, and eminent legal heavies, doctors, researchers, teachers l etc etc.
      Australia went to Europe and agreed to take them in, for humanitarian reasons and as a quick way of growing the nation, populating the empty continent, building a critical mass to defend ourselves in the future from attack, from the north, from whence the “yellow hordes” would come.  That is the origin of our refugee program which is now a “humanitarian” program managed by the Department of Immigration.

      Australia stands out for the generosity and the quality of its settlement services for the refugees it chooses to settle . It is a costly and justified good beginning to a new life for persecuted people with indescribable histories of suffering. We can be proud of this, and most Australians are.

      It is a worry and a disgrace that Australia spends hundreds of millions - an open cheque - on keeping asylum seekers from crossing our border to seek protection. The fear of “yellow hordes” lives on, but these arrivals are suntanned and often Muslim.We choose to pay to rescue asylum seekers at sea. We pick up the bill for Christmas Island detention centre and services. We fund Indonesia and Malaysia to arrest them, jail them in centres we have paid for, whatever it takes to stop them getting on boats heading our way.We give them fast boats and other equipment to hunt down organisers of unseaworthy little boats which are the only means available to asylum seekers to get to a safe country, which Indonesia is not. We do not seem to care if Indonesia returns asylum seekers and confirmed refugees back to danger. We pay more than half of UNHCR’s budget to assess them, yet last year took only a pathetic 90 confirmed refugees from their caseload of 2-4 000 human beings . We pay IOM , the people movers, to “care” for destitute asylum seekers, and to return them home.

      I’m sure the total cost of defending our border from the current wave of (dangerous??) asylum seekers and dealing with them,  is much, much more than $300 million a year!  Please explain your costing.

 

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