George Orwell’s 1949 novel, Nineteen Eighty Four, foretold of a futuristic world where technology was used by an oppressive state to enforce order. The book is a giant of social science fiction providing an invaluable cautionary tale against the creeping control tendencies of the state.

These guys were actually foretelling the Australian political dialogue, circa 2011

The term “big brother” is among the many ideas from the book that have seeped into the public mind.

But in the real year 1984, another fictional work of let’s say, marginally less literary note, achieved its own worthy feat of prediction, albeit metaphorically: Ghostbusters.

At the heart of this prescient comedy was the idea that under the city of New York, coursed a dark undercurrent of negativity. Here in the extensive sewer network, ran a viscous “psycho-kinetic” goo - a gel that feasted on negative thoughts and deeds.

This goo could be animated and drawn to the surface by vitriol and abuse. In one hilarious scene, one of the “Ghostbusters” has a beaker of the stuff and demonstrates how it erupts into movement upon having insults screamed at it.

Thus, a series of horrifying paranormal events occurring around the metropolis at the time are explained as the result of an imbalance between negative and positive emotions in the notoriously dog-eat-dog city.

You can see where I’m going right? And to think, this was years before the internet had even been thought of!

As a regular online columnist, I am of course familiar with this unvarnished new culture of aggressive negativity. A culture where basic politeness has been washed away and where people hiding behind cryptic pseudonyms, unleash a ferocity they would never display in their face-to-face interactions.

Responses to articles often betray an adolescent longing to be heard, a yearning so powerful that indignant feedback is sometimes dashed off long before the article in question has been read. Claims of bias are shouted by people displaying not the slightest pretence of balance, and who have been partisan for so long they wouldn’t even recognise fairness if they fell over it.

As often as not, this abusive discourse carries on between respondents providing an unedifying exchange of tit-for-tat insults. The one-upmanship and smart-alec tone suggests a picture of a man (most are males) in front of a computer nursing only a sense of resentment and perhaps a half eaten can of baked beans.

The question is, has the internet itself given vent to an undercurrent of bile which was always there but can now bubble to the surface, or is it that the nature of public discourse, egged on by US-style shock-jocks, has become so negative and unpleasant that a new lower ethic has taken root?

Have politicians succumbed to an ugly, abusive style urged on them by these lay preachers and associated self-styled net-hacks?

Much has been written recently about the way politics in Canberra has become infected with this. Tony Abbott is often blamed with a direct line drawn between his hip-and-shoulder political style, and the advent of contact politics. It is an easy analysis. Too easy, actually. At present, both sides are giving as good as they get.

There’s no doubt he is well equipped to play this new game but so is Julia Gillard, who before her aggressive move on a sitting prime minister, was the most effective attack dog in the parliament.

This week, supposedly the last sitting week before the big pre-budget break, the temperature of the political exchange in Canberra just kept getting hotter. Tony Abbott’s appearance at an anti-Labor rally organised by a hate-espousing shock-jock provided the impetus, but what followed showed both sides are in it up to their armpits.

Many will have seen the extraordinary TV pictures of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott, both standing at their dispatch boxes, yelling into each other’s faces, her calling him an extremist devoid of judgment, and him calling her a liar, precious, and a prime minister governing on a foundation of lies.

It is no coincidence that the boisterous rally on Wednesday was organised by a right-wing radio shock-jock. This sort of rancorous atmosphere is what these guys thrive on. As the hateful tone of the placards showed it was their type of audience - long on anger and a disgraceful new misogyny and short on everything else.

Still, Tony Abbott addressed it and Julia Gillard took the bait. Both then used it to ratchet up their indignation with each declaring the other morally unfit for office. Onlookers could only conclude both were right.

The maintenance of a basic level of respect, if only for the institutions of office if not the holders, is an important marker of a civilised society. Both sides need to lift their game and stop taking their lead from decidedly uncivil shock-jocks and a burbling undercurrent of internet cowards.

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    • wary says:

      05:16am | 26/03/11

      Mark, do you seriously expect Julia Gillard to sit back and not respond to Abbott’s continual personal attacks?  He is nothing but a sexist bully - she has responded as we would expect any normal human being to respond.  The difference is that she has maintained her composure and has never ever dragged herself down to his level.  The man, if one could call him that, is a disgrace and has no right to be leading a political party.  Gillard is a clever, hard working Prime Minister as evidenced by her success (rarely acknowledged in the media) in firstly negotiating with the minor parties and independents to support her and in the way she has negotiated to get 100% of the government’s bills through both houses.  Abbott’s work ethic is evidently near zero from past reports.  His only work ethic is a wreck ethic.

    • Ryan says:

      10:34am | 26/03/11

      Backhanders work wonders with the independents don’t they! Clearly ethical, need I remind you the iron clad lie, oops I mean promise we got “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead” so ethical. I am sure Rudd would have a few things to say off the record, in fact I can’t wait to buy his book. He might have been a bit of a clown but at least he wasn’t as blatant a lier as Gillard and Swann, not to mention backstabber of mammoth proportions.
      The worst prime minster this country has ever had and will be known as the the one who brought disgrace on the parliament of Australia.

    • Dissident says:

      11:25am | 26/03/11

      Wary, did you even bother to read the article? He clearly states that Julia Gillard was the most effective attack dog in the parliament. That is non-party specific. Just the best attack dog in the whole damn parliament. Now you think that she is different?

      I particularly like how Gillard has been able to call Tony Abbott a flat-earther, (in the context that he is not sold on the clearly scientifically un-settled global warming issue) and you don’t think that it is an attack? Painting him as a religious extremist? Nope, that isn’t a personal attack either.

      Ergo, calling her a liar or deceitful is not an attack - it is a statement of fact. When is she going to lace up for the Bulldogs? Oops, was that another lie? No Carbon Tax under my govt. How did that turn out?

      What else has Tony Abbott said that is a personal attack?

    • james milton says:

      05:05pm | 26/03/11

      ...sexist.

      There goes your argument. ‘Sexist’ ranks up there with ‘racist’ these days as most overused buzzword in vain attempts to win arguments. It’s the new Godwin’s Law.

    • Kelvin says:

      07:01pm | 27/03/11

      You lot just can’t get past the fact that she is a woman and in some warped corner of your mind you think that she should be treated differently because of her gender.

      Well she shouldn’t. She gives as good as she gets and with the shrill nasally voice of her’s it sounds like she is giving better than she gives although completely lacking in substance.

      Lets not forget she has given us a plethora of the biggest lies ever told by a PM.

      For that she needs to be banished for all time. In case you left wing extremist fools don’t get it, the reason she is called a liar is because she is one - it is indisputable. If you don’t believe me or anyone else just got to the video tape.

      Get rid of Gillard and the foolish independents that put her there and things will settle down with a responsible government in charge.

    • Erick says:

      05:54am | 26/03/11

      Politics has always been a rough game. John Howard copped it a lot worse than Julia Gillard ever did.

      You’re just pulling out the old sexist card again - “Waaah! They’re picking on a giiiirl!” That doesn’t contribute to the development of strong female politicians - it’s only when women can play the game without commentators demanding special concessions for their “weakness” that they will be considered equal.

    • persephone says:

      11:47am | 26/03/11

      John Howard may have copped it worse, but that’s not the issue here.

      The issue is Tony Abbott’s behaviour.

      I don’t remember any labor Opposition leader standing in front of signs denigrating the serving PM. Indeed, I’m having a hard time thinking of any LOTO calling the serving PM a liar.

      Usually LOTOs show some respect for the office of Prime Minister, even if they personally loathe the person holding it.

      Abbott has shown nothing but contempt for the institutions of our Parliament and system of government, a strange position for someone who headed the Australian Monarchist movement, built as it is on respect for these institutions.

    • acotrel says:

      01:29am | 27/03/11

      @persephone ‘The issue is Tony Abbott’s behaviour.’

      They don’t call Abbott ‘the mad monk’ for nothing.  Let’s look at the symptoms - extreme negativity, poisonous rhetoric, extreme opportunism, exhibitionism, aggression, deceitfulness.  What disease is that?

    • Gregg says:

      01:36am | 27/03/11

      Hey perse you need to remember to not drop the de and it’s the deserving PM as in she deserves all she gets for her palefaced lies and deceit in dealing with Australians.
      Her parents immigrated here and it is a great performance ain’t it from someone who we may have expected just a little more consideration from in terms of honesty.

      Maybe that Welsh water she drank a bit of as a child wasn’t the best.

      Respect needs to be earnt and when you see the likes of Keating, Rudd and now Gillard ranting on, screaming in fact in their deliveries and still evading questions, it is no wonder there is little respect and it is such leaders that bring down the quality of parliament.

    • Glorfindel says:

      06:29am | 27/03/11

      Mark Latham never struck me as overly respectful of anybody, including the then PM.

    • Leticia says:

      08:20am | 27/03/11

      The issue is about both their behavior, as in this article. I think Gillard still can’t grasp she is in the Prime Ministers seat. She is so preoccupied with Abbott that she appears to be doing nothing else but attacking him everytime he opens his mouth. Howard would just ignore the oppositions taunts or have a quick swipe and get on with business. This made him look like a Leader and Prime Minister, above the oppositions taunts. Looks like with Gillard as Leader her main focus is to discredit Abbott and not get on with business. Good in Opposition but not as Leader of the country.

    • Troy says:

      08:49am | 27/03/11

      @persephone, Abbott didnt lie to win an election mate! Gillards lie is disgracefull and the fact she would not be the PM now if she didnt lie is even more of a reason that she does not deserve respect.

    • Phil says:

      08:56am | 27/03/11

      Perse. Whilst it is entirely possible that no carbon tax supporters made those signs, it is also possible they were made and put there by others to disgrace Mr Abbott.
      What you and many fail to see is that many voters, even those previously as rusted on as you, are turning on labor due to the lie they were fed and fell for.
      This will cost M/s Gillard government at the next election. After the drubbing of Oakshotts mate in Port in the NSW election yesterday, unless he wishes to be an unemployed man for the rest of his life (or maybe Labor will parachute him into a safe government high paying position after all that is the labor way) he will most certainly not win his seat next time. He may decide to change his support of the government to Mr Abbott just yet.

    • HeatherG says:

      06:12pm | 27/03/11

      Er, Persephone, calling Ms Gillard a “liar” is not disrespectful—it’s true.

      I agree with Erick. If Julia is “allowed” to lambast Tony’s religion then her lies are full frontal targets. The fact she’s a woman changes nothing, especially given the Australian Right is NOT the US Republicans, ie, the Libs are not a “Bible Belt” party any more than the Labor party is a haven for reason and atheism, antireligious/religious views are equally represented across the House, see Rudd’s beliefs, see Kenneally’s tears in church, etc—I say, so effing what? Freedom of religion and all, wot? Religious or not, who really cares, and who cares which religion, or none at all? The only difference is Abbott’s never attempted to hide, and he takes it on the chin. Constantly.

      She gives as good as she gets. Both sides pursue the politics of negativity. If it’s not okay for the LNP, then the Labor shouters can give it a rest, too.

    • persephone says:

      07:49pm | 27/03/11

      Gregg

      I’m talking about respect for the office. The same kind of respect conservatives (purportedly) show for all our Westminister traditions.

      Troy

      he lied and failed to win it.

      Most of his supporters here don’t believe him when he says he believes that climate change is real and caused by man.

      Many of them are relying on him to break his promises in this area if he was elected.

      Either that or they really haven’t understood anything he’s said and would be the first to be surprised by the policies he would implement if he got into power.

      I believe Tony Abbott when he says he’s a liar. I believe him when he says he’s broken all the Ten Commandments but one.

      Why don’t you? Don’t you trust him?

      Glorfindel

      can’t find me an actual example, though, can you?

      Phil

      nice mixture of assumptions and conspiracy theories.

      Look at the composition of the crowd: One Nation supporters, League of Rights, etc. Don’t need to have Labor stooges there to make them look bad!

      The question isn’t about what the supporters said, believed, or the posters they waved: it’s about whether Abbott should have openly identified himself with that behaviour.

      As has been pointed out, there have been many rowdy leftist rallies - but very very few of these (I can’t think of any) have had a Labor LOTO out in front egging them on.

      It isn’t hard to stand in front of a crowd and say that you understand their anger and their disappointment, but could they please put the signs down or you won’t be staying.

      Heather G

      only if you believe that she knew she was going to be facing a hung Parliament at the time she said that.

      Which - unless she has psychic powers - is a big ask.

      Whereas we have several occasions of Abbott saying one thing prior to an election and doing something different once he was elected, without the same excuses. (‘Solid rolled gold promises’ about the Medicare safety net, anyone?)

      He’s also a self confessed liar, so bagging anyone else for lying makes him a hypocrite as well.

    • James A says:

      06:03am | 26/03/11

      What cobblers. Firstly it was an anti-carbon tax rally and was attended by mainly swinging voters. There were plenty of self described old fashioned Labor voters there too.

      It was not organized by right wing hate mongers. Utter garbage.

      So you are saying a huge new tax based on dubious science, brought in by stealth is not ok to protest against?  Are only left wing unionists and green marxists allowed to protest?  Don’t you remember effigies of Howard with swastikas being hanged and burned at recent union protests attended by ALP pollies where police were subject to violence and property was damaged?

      The faux outrage at Abbott and these average Aussies who have had enough of the lies and deceit of this govt beggars belief.

      Gillard has brought it all on herself with her lies, deceit, arrogance and level of incompetence not seen since Whitlam.  A new tax that will drive hundreds of thousands of jobs and dollars off shore for ZERO effect on the Earth. Even Tim Flannery concedes this.

      When nannas are angry you can be sure the govt is deep into it’s end days.

    • mervyn ford says:

      10:30am | 26/03/11

      Hear, Hear!
      Well said!
      What Gillard and Co should worry about is the rise up of ordinary mums and dads as part of the “silent majority”, something not often seen in Australian politics.
      Labeling them extremists was stupid politics and something she is likely to regret.

    • The Observer says:

      11:09am | 26/03/11

      Swinging voters my ass.
      At the Canberra protest a report in the Age said the “Young Liberals, DLP, Climate Skeptics, the National Civic Council and the Conservative Action Network” were all represented. One Nation was also there as well as Pauline Hanson who wandered the crowd being warmly received.
      1,500 lunatic fringe dwellers shouting their messages of hate

      Tony Abbott has been confirmed as the leader of the lunatic fringe, by the xenophobic, deniers of the far right.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      11:43am | 26/03/11

      Exactly what i say Mervyn,
      The silent majority are going to flex their muscle and piss the Bullishit carbon tax , gillard and the rest of the incompetent labor mob out on the DUNG heap where they belong.

      My God look at also what labor are doing to Australias border protection,tottaly disgusting.

    • Gregg says:

      01:47am | 27/03/11

      In the run up to the election there was even a union organisation campaigning against carbon tax/ETS in order to keep themselves working and there will still likely be many more against it than 10,000 who have allegedly signed a petition supporting it.

      Businesses are not in favour of it and so Labor’s talk of business wanting certainty is just that ” more talk ” and business at large will be more than happy to see any tax revoked by a Liberal government, even if it needs a double dissolution to get rid of some Green Senators.

    • Science is not Communism says:

      05:46pm | 29/03/11

      You mean the uneducated majority. Any true sceptic with basic high school comprehension levels who actually takes an interest to read all sides of the argument would be converted to a believer by the vast evidence. Deniers don’t wan’t to hear facts, and they are extremists is a good word for them because they are basically saying that the green industry - which at the moment is so small in comparison to the petrochemical industry that the latter still spend more on propaghanda than what the world invests in R & D for renewables - have somehow managed to trick the whole world by this conspiracy theory to make us pay more tax. Well we have to pay tax anyway so why do the Liberals rule out carbon-dioxide as a means of tax? I guess they much prefer income tax that discourages employing workers as opposed to carbon dioxide tax which discourages carbon dioxide emmitions and they are going to need a whole lot more income tax to pay those handouts to their favourate polluters. And the vast majority of so called qualified objective scientists who disagree with the overwhelming majoritiy - that burning fossil fuels is the only explanation for the historically unnatural fast rate of change - are typically also supporterd of creationism (deniers of evolution). By the way I am getting sick of conservative morons accusing anyone who objects to blatent environmental vandalism of being a marxist or a socialist, differnt issue, get it? different issue. And to miss quote Tim Flannery is a low blow.

    • Damien says:

      06:15am | 26/03/11

      I read an article somewhere about the current situation, either here or on the Drum (call me lazy but cant be bothered finding it), and this article in particular noted that neither Gillard or Abbott can really claim the high ground on a conviction politician.

      They essentially look like two kids in a schoolyard, going at it because one dad said something about the other dad.

      The vitriol is likely to hurt Gillard more than Abbott, considering that, generally, the PM doesn’t get involved and uses attack dogs instead, rising above the fray, however it appears as though this fight will keep going on until a grown-up comes along to sort everything out.

      Malcolm Turnbull, anyone?

    • Richard says:

      10:34am | 26/03/11

      There’s actually a good article over there at the drum by Glen Milne, who basically asserts that this carbon tax stoush will be Abbott and Gillard’s ‘Stalingrad’. They’ve both invested so much political capital into the fight that whichever one loses will most probably also lose their leadership.

    • Tim says:

      10:48am | 26/03/11

      Turnbull is the worst possible option for the Coalition.

      The only constituency he appeals to are rusted-on Labor voters who will never change their vote. They fawn over his ‘sensible’ policies, because he presents no obstacle to the Labor agenda.

      Rather than draw votes from Labor, Turnbull merely placates Labor voters. In him, they see nothing to worry about, but no reason to switch.

      His strongest appeal is to the self-infatuated Labor ‘intelligentsia’, but he has no appeal for middle Australia - which is where elections are won and lost.

      Meanwhile he completely alienates the Coalition’s traditional base.

      Turnbull is kryptonite to the Coalition. If I was him, I’d jump ship to the Labor party and try my luck there.

    • Sirro says:

      12:46pm | 26/03/11

      I could not agree more with you Tim.

      Turnbull as leader would be political suicide for the Liberals.
      Smart man sure, but as a leader of the general population he just would not cut it. He is not particularly likable but then again I suppose that never stopped Bob Carr from becoming and holding on as NSW Premier.

      Abbott has stepped up and he has appeal for some on both sides because they can see him as a fighter who actually stands up and points out the governments many, many faults.
      I think many grass roots Labor voters or those of the working class who are generally inclined to vote Labor respect this. Most of the anti-Abbott bleating comes from those from the Acedemia and New Age thinking crowd who have taken over the Labor Party in the Post-Hawke years and can’t bear the idea of someone with Abbott’s traditional background having power over their Government (paid for) careers.

    • Miki says:

      05:01pm | 26/03/11

      Tony Abbot’s traditional values? I guess you’re talking about his aggressive, misogynist and neanderthal traits. It’s the kind of machismo more usually seen in trade union hierarchies and has all the ugliness and utter repugnance of a football thug. But whatever rocks your boat Sirro. Frankly I find Malcolm Turnbull’s urbane sophistication and intelligence considerably more appealing.

    • Gregg says:

      01:57am | 27/03/11

      The problem Abbott has is simply that as small a margin as Labor has, they for now have the numbers with independents and greens support and neither lot will be prepared to rock the boat anymore than they have to to keep Labor in government and giving them as much as they can squeeze out of Gillard & Co.

      As bad a government as we have, it is hardly that we can bring it down like has happened in Egypt.
      All Abbot and the rest of Australia can do is suck it for now and hope what has happened in NSW comes around to Gillard and the Greens federally.

      Nearly twelve years of what responsible government achieved more than dismantled in less than half the time.
      Lest we never forget.

    • Rob says:

      10:52am | 27/03/11

      Turnbull would be an excellent option. Tim and Sirro can whinge about the “Coalition’s traditional base” all they like. But the fact is that in our system, parties have to win swinging voters in order to win government, not their party base (who are only going to vote for them, anyway - albeit, sometimes with gritted teeth).

      I’d be prepared to bet that had Julia Gillard not knifed Rudd last year, Rudd would have won the last election with a slim majority, and Abbott would have been out on his bum. It’s trite to say it, but the wave of popularity the Coalition appears to be riding is off the back of a rejection of Labor and Julia rather than an embracing of Tony Abbott. His disapproval ratings speak for themselves. The swinging voters really don’t like Julia, but Tony is not seen as a wonderful alternative - he’s just the leader of the Coalition who are the ONLY alternative.

      A guy like Malcolm Turnbull, who is a bit aggressive but still has a flair for negotiation has the ability to win over those swinging voters; not by attrition, but by actually offering them something the disenchanted voters of the centre-left (and centre-right) have been crying out for years - a compromise between two polar extremes.

    • Troy says:

      01:42pm | 27/03/11

      @Rob, The only people who want Turnbull to lead is Labor supporters. Abbott is doing a great job and I for will be sticking by him.

    • Rob says:

      06:52pm | 27/03/11

      “The only people who want Turnbull to lead is Labor supporters.”

      Rubbish, Troy. Half the party-room voted for Malcolm Turnbull in the leadership still against Abbott; in the end, he only lost by one vote.

      That’s half of the Liberal Party who wanted Turnbull as leader.

      So you can stick with Saint Tony if you like, but there are plenty of moderate Liberals who’d like to see the back of him. He’s a great attack dog, and there is nobody better at keeping Labor accountable, and that IS important. But he’s not PM material. Look at his disapproval ratings, face the facts. The Liberals are going to need a moderate if they’re serious about gaining power. They won’t be able to rely on the Backstab Backlash next time round.

    • Syl says:

      02:32pm | 28/03/11

      “The only people who want Turnbull to lead is Labor supporters.”

      Absolute nonsense.
      I am FAR from a Labor supporter, but Abbott makes me cringe everytime I hear him speak, I would much prefer Turnbull.  Generally it seems that the only people who want Abbott to stay are die-hard Liberal voters who wouldnt vote for Labor if their lives depended on it.

    • Damien says:

      06:15am | 26/03/11

      They essentially look like two kids in a schoolyard, going at it because one dad said something about the other dad.

      The vitriol is likely to hurt Gillard more than Abbott, considering that, generally, the PM doesn’t get involved and uses attack dogs instead, rising above the fray, however it appears as though this fight will keep going on until a grown-up comes along to sort everything out.

      Malcolm Turnbull, anyone?

    • Super D says:

      06:46am | 26/03/11

      I don’t remember too many calls to respect the institutions of office back when Howard was in charge.  We saw complete contempt from the progressive left for both Australian and Allied leaders.  Who can forget the impetuous greens heckling American president in our parliament?  It is the left who has the problem with respecting authority - and indeed democracy generally when it goes against them.

    • Matt says:

      07:02am | 26/03/11

      Interesting article, but I think you’re missing the main point of the anti carbon tax rally. People are actually really angry because of the pointlessness and the impact of this tax and because Gillard promised not to introduce it. It’s not because shock jocks are telling them to be angry.

      People will mostly stomach taxes that will have a result, like to build or fix something, but almost nobody wants to line the pocket of climate change opportunists with no measurable benefit to anyone or anything except those on the gravy train.

      To add insult to injury, it’s all at the behest of Bob Brown, who’s party considers it a big win to get 15% of the vote. The other 85% of voters feel they are being done over.

    • acotrel says:

      07:34am | 27/03/11

      @Matt Perhaps people are only angry about a ‘carbon tax’ because Tony Abbott says they should be?  The idea behind the price on carbon is polluter pays.  Exactly as they would if the state EPAs did their jobs, and imposed fines on polluters under already existing legislation!  That cost would also be passed on to consumers!

    • Bill Granger says:

      02:34am | 28/03/11

      Acktrel, your statement insults the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with your party view. You’re either incredibly cynical or actually beginning to believe your own spin. Look at the result in NSW mate, and take something from it. We’re not stupid, you can tell us how to think but we’re not listening any more. We’re now wide awake to the bullshit and lies.

    • Syl says:

      02:37pm | 28/03/11

      Yes Acotrel, If you disagree with the mighty left you couldn’t possibly have thought for yourself!

      Please….  I can’t stand Abbott and his ridiculous sermonising, and I don’t listen to right wing radio shock jocks either, but I disagree with a pointless tax on everything.  It’s called thinking about the pros and cons of an issue and coming up with a reasoned opinion.  Not towing some ridiculous party line blindly.

      Maybe you should give it a try….

    • RobJ says:

      07:23am | 26/03/11

      “Both sides need to lift their game and stop taking their lead from decidedly uncivil shock-jocks”

      Which shock jocks is Gillard following? Did she attend the rally organised by a shock jock? Does she share the opinions on climate of the shock jocks? Do the shock jocks support her or Abbott?

      They’re both guilty of lying but can you show me where Gillard is guilty of sexism? I don’t want to defend Gillard, I don’t like her but I really don’t think she’s as much of a disgrace as Abbott.

      Seriously, if her biggest crime is that she lied then she’s no worse than her oppo, here predecessor and no doubt her successor. Abbott screaming ‘liar’ is hypocritical and all reasonable people realise this (whether they admit it is another thing, dishonesty isn’t unique to politicians).

    • Tom says:

      10:20am | 28/03/11

      The old Labor / Hawker Britton chestnut. When caught red-handed telling a such a blatant lie, they put their hand on their heart and claim “both sides do it”.

      No they don’t RobJ. People might be waking up to your spin.

    • RobJ says:

      07:26am | 26/03/11

      Sorry, if you’re suggesting that they’re taking their lead from shock jocks as to how they behave in their dispatch boxes, then yeah, you have a point (a good one). She can and does dish it out, I reckon she’s just more careful what she says, Abbott shoots from the hip.

    • Mark says:

      07:52am | 26/03/11

      I think it’s too late, we are in a race to the bottom. The problem for mainstream political parties is they no longer stand on principle, they sell policy for votes and funding and if you look closely they often have contradictory positions. If you engage in honest debate your hypocrisy becomes all too obvious, so instead you have to stick to smearing and name calling. It’s going to get very ugly, just look at America.

    • ChristophHewett says:

      08:17am | 26/03/11

      You are actually referring to Ghostbusters II, released in 1989. Still a good article, it just makes the opening paragraph about Orwell’s 1984 redundant (well, more redundant).

    • Richard says:

      08:20am | 26/03/11

      “Claims of bias are shouted by people displaying not the slightest pretence of balance”, I’ll cop that one Mark Kenny, but the rest of your article reads like a “poor me” whinge by someone who can’t handle the heat and should get out of the kitchen.

      You ask for a level of basic respect to be maintained, yet you you self are more than happy to take cheap shots at your critics, calling them “adolescent”, and sneering that they are “a man (most are males) in front of a computer nursing only a sense of resentment and perhaps a half eaten can of baked beans”.

      Ironically you then go on to complain about a new misogyny, seemingly unaware of your hypocrisy at engaging in the most despicable mysandry merely sentences beforehand, (which you feel no shame about because there is no one to protect men’s rights in today’s society like there are thousands and millions of women’s rights protectors).

      You seek to de-legitimise the average voters’ expression of anger at the way they’ve been treated by this insolent government. You attack them because the internet has given them a voice, and you don’t like what they have to say.

      But welcome to democracy dude. The internet is empowering people to participate in the political discourse that was previously the sphere of purely the elite (and their lap dogs like you). Instead of shooting the messenger, I suggest you prick up your ears and listen hard, because we are the majority at the end of the day, and your attempts to shame us into silence will not win you any friends for when the times come that you need our support.

      Contrary to your assertions I do believe in the power of a positive attitude and in positive thinking, in fact I have been most effusive in my praise of Tony Abbott, defending him vociferously from all the bile and negativity that is constantly thrown at him (which is far more than was ever thrown at Julia Gillard), yet it is essential to condemn tricky politicking, devious misleading, blatant incompetence and bad policy when it is presented to us by the elitist organisations that seek power over us.

      The responsibilities of being in government also entail listening to the will of the people. When the government shows such disdain for the will of the people, and seeks to antagonise, enslave and impoverish the people, the ones that don’t speak up are the real cowards, not the clear and noble voices ringing out in implacable opposition to this travesty.

    • Ryan says:

      10:43am | 26/03/11

      Hear hear, well said Richard, I hardly think that after his hypocrisy has been pointed out that he might reply.

      The intention of the article was as it has been in the media for a long time, to promote their propaganda. Thank god for the internet, but now you know why Conroy wants a filter, you can bet your bottom dollar websites like http://www.nocarbontax.com.au/ and http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com/ will be purposely filtered.

      This government has already shown that it cannot be trusted, the media have now shown their blatant partisanship and hence cannot be trusted and Mark Kenny above has been shown to be a partisan hypocrite and hence cannot be trusted.

    • james milton says:

      05:11pm | 26/03/11

      Richard is right on the money.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      08:24am | 26/03/11

      Mark Kenny, were you on the lawn of Parliament House on Wednesday?

      “Right wing shock jock”? “boisterous rally” - I mean, what the…?

      These consistent attempts by leftists in the media (Yes that’s you, Mark!) are doing your side untold damage. Everyone reading these smears, lies and misrepresentations knows that that’s what they are.
      How about some honesty of opinion, how about a little less vitriol in your own musings. How about quantifying what makes someone a ” hate espousing right wing shock jock” - I assume you’re talking about Alan Jones, how about an example or two of him “espousing hate”?

      Your vile smears say more about you, Mark, than that of your intended target. Truly pathetic.

    • James P says:

      06:32am | 27/03/11

      Exactly, LRO

      I was at the Melbourne rally.  I wasn’t motivated to attend by anyone.  I attended (my first protest rally) because I am categorically opposed to a carbon dioxide tax, and particularly one imposed without first putting it to the people for a vote.

      I attended also because I am incensed at Gillard’s blatant back-flip on the issue.

      The attendees at these rallies were ordinary everyday aussies and to be described as “extremists” or “hate mongers” only hardens our resolve and makes us even more determined to defeat this grotesque tax.

    • Sandy says:

      08:28am | 26/03/11

      I agree Mark, but this site gives voice to the bile that is bubbling to the top, but with no repudiation of whats written in those comments.
      What is Punch going to do about it?

    • Richard says:

      10:24am | 26/03/11

      Yes, of course Sandy; the answer is censorship.

      How could we not have realised this until you pointed it out just then?

    • Sandy says:

      12:07pm | 26/03/11

      No not censorship Richard, but where mis- information is perpetuated in comments to these articles I would like the professional journalist to monitor and comment.
      At the moment they write a column that sets off the vitriolic ‘angry’ people and then seem to stand back and watch.
      Are they just on line shock jocks or are they professional journalists trying to get the facts out? they need to decide before this situation gets out of hand and Australia suffers anymore.

    • WayneT says:

      03:28pm | 26/03/11

      I think you need to look at the definition of a blog Sandy.  This forum is for anyone to have their say.  Get their thoughts out there and off their chests.  If you don’t have the smarts to debate their arguments then you had better stop reading on.  For too long the people of this country have lacked a voice.  They certainly wont get it from their elected representatives in Government.  You and Conroy are one in the same, you want censor any argument that doesn’t fit your version of Utopia.  Thank god the cat is well and truly out of the bag.

    • Ben says:

      11:16pm | 27/03/11

      I think the funny part in this point is:  how do you know these comments aren’t already being censored?  I’m guessing they probably have a lot of unpublished comments that are too offensive.

      Aside from the point that the Punch is an opinion and commentary site.  It doesn’t claim to be a purely factual news source yet alone the problems with trying to define what “facts” are.  I think it is a fact that all religions are made-up nonsense and rituals coming from a lack of knowledge and fear of death.  But others will argue that it’s just my opinion.

      And most of the hate being spouted on here is based on facts making it even harder.  “They said X (fact), and I think it’s because they are racist (opinion)”.

      It might be nice and ideal to have everyone on here playing nice but at the same time it provides interesting insight into the nature of people that left unguided and unattended, behaviour tends towards the aggressive and confrontational exchanging of insults.  The funny part is when the commentators are expecting that politicians should rise above this sort of behaviour when we can’t even do it in our own blog responses.  Pollies are still people like us, so if we can’t do it, why should they?

    • GB says:

      08:44am | 26/03/11

      I don’t know Mark. Yes, the vitriol on this forum can get a bit over the top at times but on the whole I don’t think it’s anything different to what you would hear during a political discussion over a few beers at a backyard barbie. Maybe you’re too close to the action as I can tell you the mood of the electorate, ordinary people mind you, is that they’ve had enough of politicians from all sides acting in their own, and those of their mate’s interests, and not the people they’re paid to represent.

    • Ryan says:

      09:26am | 26/03/11

      Hypocrite much?
      Firstly you start by being all indignant about how people voice their opinions online then you launch into a vile attack on ordinary, hard working men and women who have mostly never protested before and just want to be heard since our prime minister doesn’t listen.

      You just displayed the blatant partisanship we see in the media while trying to take the moral high ground of your article.

      Guilty by your own definition, sad you cannot be more objective than this.

    • Unionist says:

      09:30am | 26/03/11

      Tony Abbott is a nothing politician an absolute policy void. Who scrapes along on populist sounds bites which he ferrets out of some media poll. This allows for him to perform in his favourite style known as “wind vane politics”.

    • Ryan says:

      10:27am | 26/03/11

      What does this have to do with the subject at hand? I thought the punch mediated completely off topic propaganda.

    • acotrel says:

      08:55am | 27/03/11

      @Ryan How is unionists comment ‘off topic’?  Seems to me it’s like the way Godwin’s Law is invoked only when nazis are mentioned, and it doesn’t apply when people use the ‘commie’ slur!

    • acotrel says:

      08:58am | 27/03/11

      @Ryan So the fact that Tony Abbott has nothing to offer Australia, yet his rhetoric is overwhelmingly poisonous, is Irrelevant?

    • Ryan says:

      01:14pm | 27/03/11

      @acotrel: did you actually bother to read the article at all?

    • Syl says:

      02:54pm | 28/03/11

      Acotrel

      You do know what Godwin’s law actually is…. right??

    • Ryan says:

      09:30am | 26/03/11

      Oh and Mark, just take a look at your fellow leftie journos there on the right at the bile being spewed forth on twitter.
      I guess a hypocrite, leftie journalist calling the older members of society “dinosaurs” is acceptable to you.

      There is only one thing worse than a liar, that’s a hypocrite.

    • David LD says:

      09:44am | 26/03/11

      This article brought to you by the guy who trolls this comments board on both sides of every issue because he’s a contrary tool, apparently without irony.

    • Denny Crane says:

      10:03am | 26/03/11

      To some extent you are right. However rather than looking at the sympton, why not look at the cause. It might make you unpopular with your press gallery mates but if you did your courage would be admired.

      The left wing press gallery lead by the ABC and Laurie oakes have been chipping away for years making conservatives angrier and angrier. Tell me the last time barry Cassidy had two conservatives on insiders to make the debate aven 2 -2. never. its always sloped to the left 3 -1. And when Andrew bolt goes on and talks commom sense that the other three have no wriggle room and have to admit stupid policy, he is bombarded with abuse.

      When has Tony Jones had more conservatives than lefties on Q&A? When has the crown chosen ever been balanced or leaning to the right? Again Never.

      Malcolm Farr has very strong view on truth and honesty when it comes to Tony Abbott but does not hold the same views for Gillard. He is prepared to accept and even praise he deception of the Australian people.

      Michelle Gratton gave Tony Abbott a hammering about saying we need to curb immigration while the country gets on its feet but praises Gillard when she had a vision for a small Australia.

      The greens have fielded a candidate who hate Jews and wahts to ban imports because she disagrees with them. Why do the press shy away from calling her out as a racist that she clearly is? If it were a conservative they would be all over them. Bob Brown would be calling for the racist candidate to be disendorsed. So why do the press shy away?

      Greg Combet, as head of the ACTU lead unionists to smash the front door of parliment but condems a peaceful rally that had one or two offensive signs. Why has noone grilled him on his hypocracy?

      The list goes on and on. Then we have your article. talking down. As if anyone who was there or even agreed with the sentiments are idiots. Then you have the hide to say “Both sides need to lift their game and stop taking their lead from decidedly uncivil shock-jocks and a burbling undercurrent of internet cowards. ” Yet you are too cowardly to call out the real perpertrators of hate - the left wing Canberrs press gallery. man up and take some responsibility.

    • Sentry says:

      11:38am | 26/03/11

      Andrew Bolt talking sense?
      Maybe to the lunatic fringe.
      HAHAHAHAHAHA

    • Nick says:

      12:04pm | 26/03/11

      Well said Denny,the leftty journos in this country are a bunch of hypocrites.

    • mel says:

      09:25pm | 26/03/11

      Just to check, Denny (just to see if the mad cow disease hasn’t gone too far): in your world, is every journalist who isn’t an echo chamber for the Liberals a leftie?

    • Rosie says:

      10:11am | 26/03/11

      At the end of the day we are all Australians living in a Democracy and how we judge our politicians is our freedom of choice! It is not the job of the Gillard Labor Govt to make that judgement for us by making a song and dance over placards from those that have had it up to the top of Gillard the back stabbing lying PM.

      Gillard may be still precious and respected in her team’s eyes but some of us didn’t even have that respect from the start of her primeministership because of the way she achieved it. It has been aggravated with her lying and refusing to consider a mandate for her carbon tax and hold an Election. Add the real Julia fake Julia, minning tax she negotiated and glorified in when it was already being thought out by Kevin Rudd before she knifed him, the very person that forced Rudd to shelf the ETS and now trying to force upon us a “no detail carbon tax” etc

      It is a wonder there is so much anger amongst the Australian people venting their frustrations.

      Proof of “people power” and what they can do to self-centred, backed factional power broker govts will appear before our eyes when we see the results of the NSW’s Election sometimes this evenning!

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      11:56am | 26/03/11

      If the NSW. polls are correct this would definately be the voice of the silent majority and will also reflect the majority of views against the proposed Carbon tax

    • Tim says:

      10:40am | 26/03/11

      Bit rich coming from a tabloid editor.

      Like many non-talkback commentators, you seem happy to play fast and loose with the term ‘hate’ when it comes to so-called ‘shock-jocks’.

      It’s a lazy stereotype, and it means you never have to engage with the issues they raise or the points of view which they represent, which usually (but not always) have far more substance that you are willing to acknowledge.

      Either you buy into the stereotype, or you’re just happy to perpetuate it. But the haughty sneer in your tone doesn’t do your own credibility any good.

      These ‘shock-jocks’ might be preaching to the converted, but your unwillingness to engage the substance of their arguments shows that you are too.

    • Zaf says:

      12:34pm | 26/03/11

      “you never have to engage with the issues they raise or the points of view which they represent”

      a lot of the time these are so paranoid or wilfully ignorant that they edge into the nutty - and it’s difficult to rationally engage with that.

      eg

      1 Australia is danger of having sharia law imposed by stealth

      2 Australia is being over-run by boat people

      3 There is no scientific consensus about anthropogenic climate change (although there is something like 99% scientific consensus that anthropogenic climate change is occurring - if you actually look at the scientific literature)

      How does one rationally engage with crazy Tea Party stuff like that?

    • Ryan says:

      01:47pm | 27/03/11

      @Zaf: please post your scientific consensus, this has already been debunked so many times now that you spouting it means you really haven’t been listening. There were a sum total of 5, yes 5 completely independent scientists that agreed with Global Warming. So much for your consensus.

    • Mark says:

      10:42am | 26/03/11

      Isn’t anyone going to point out that the river of Gel was actually Ghostbusters II, not Ghostbusters?

    • AT says:

      11:16am | 26/03/11

      Missing from the roll call of contributors to the “unvarnished new culture of aggressive negativity” is the media in general beyond the realm of huckstering shock-jocks.

      And The Punch is one of the most errant in this regard. It’s astonishing that whatever the subject or tone of the blogs, The Punch sandpit is commandeered by the same circle-jerking goons who populate other News Ltd hosted sites. Every issue becomes a call and response routine which on this site has become as predictable as it is boring.

      A cynic might think it’s a deliberate ploy, that The Punch is shamelessly pandering to the oddballs who keep the comment counts high, but even if it isn’t so, it means this is not a site that can be taken seriously. And indeed, a quick look at the first 20 comments indicates that the majority are from the very same ‘longing adolescents’ cited in the piece. It might not be The Punch’s fault, but don’t expect any dignified discourse when youse abandon your site to these bedlamists.

    • Ron E Coote says:

      11:21am | 26/03/11

      I was following you, right up until this:
      “It is no coincidence that the boisterous rally on Wednesday was organised by a right-wing radio shock-jock. This sort of rancorous atmosphere is what these guys thrive on. As the hateful tone of the placards showed it was their type of audience - long on anger and a disgraceful new misogyny and short on everything else.”
      What, no rancour at any of the Lefty peacenik marches?
      About two, or three placards in a crowd of thousands. Representative?
      Misogyny? Now that’s really getting desperate.
      I just love how Gillard can hurl all manner of personal abuse at Abbott, but as soon as someone says, “bitch” (never mind that the placard was made by a girl), it’s all about sexism, and misogyny.
      If you looked at the exchange in question time (the censure motion) carefully, you might have noticed that at least Abbott made some attempt to intersperse his tirade with a few pertinent facts. Gillard made no such pretences.
      About the yearning for attention: Is that why you became a journalist?

    • Markie Mark says:

      11:43am | 26/03/11

      Now that Abbott has established himself as the leader of the lunatic fringe right, who will lead the Liberals to the next election?
      I would suggest Pauline Hanson. She somewhat more moderate than Abbott and she doesn’t pretend to be something that she’s not.

    • luke says:

      11:48am | 27/03/11

      Are labor still going to let Gillard lead the looney lefties?

    • Steve Smith says:

      08:31pm | 27/03/11

      Extreme lunatic fringe right is more like it, plus there is no real leader or person capable to lead the Liberals into the next election, except maybe for Malcolm Turnbull, who doesn’t appear to be as extreme right wing radical as the rest of the riff raff that is known as the Liberal/national party Opposition

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:55am | 26/03/11

      We hate both parties equally. Why are the Labor party and Coalition so stupid? A better line of query would be the dumbing down of political parties…..

    • Glofindel says:

      06:33am | 27/03/11

      agreed,

    • Steve says:

      12:10pm | 26/03/11

      I agree with most of what is said about internet posting. I am a 50 year old male and only started posting about 2 weeks ago. Sometimes I submit what in my opinion are sound well thought out arguments that are responded to with an unfactual attack. I get the impression that people like to play a game I like to call “got you you son of a bitch”. I am thinking of stopping but to be honest there is an addictive side to posting or is it just me?
      The exterme right and left usually counterbalance each other and we end up with the sensible middle ground. The problem is when the balance is shifted. The extreme right has become more vocal and frustrated as the extreme left (greens) has had their prominence increased by the coalition with Labor. We have the balance restored but with more noise at the extremes. I have decided to go cold turkey and give up posting altogether so don’t bother responding to this. Good luck to you all

    • Holly says:

      12:40pm | 26/03/11

      I was somewhat bemused by your comments about us - yes the people who respond to Punch articles.  Oh goodness me our “responses often betray an adolescent longing to be heard” . . ” abusive discourses’ ...exchange of “tit for tat insults”  descriptions of males huddled over computers “nursing only a sense of resentment and perhaps a half eaten can of baked beans”. Funny that the worst seem to be from women (but maybe they are from men in drag so to speak).  How dare we respond in this way to the gems of journalistic genius portrayed on the Punch, especially those from the likes of Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirrabella and Kevin Andrews.

      I had always assumed that most of your respondents were employed by pollies and formed some form of “in House” club so to speak and that an “outing” of all of us would be deliciously informative!

    • gra gra says:

      06:54pm | 26/03/11

      Left Right Out.. Good name for a fool. Why would you immediately assume that the writer was referring to Allan Jones when he wrote of a ‘hate espousing right-wing shock-jock’? Oh, you recognised the description did you. Well done, for someone bereft of the ability to understand that a political leader, (?), standing in front of, and obviously approving of a sign saying “Ditch the Witch”, has not moved far since Salem. (Look it up, LRO, you might learn something about the history of religous fanatics.) 
      Did Gilliard tell a lie, or did she do a ‘Howard’, and simply change from one view to another? Of course, being a man of gods, Abbott would have berated Howard for his turnaround. Wouldn’t he?

    • Joan says:

      07:19pm | 26/03/11

      The truth belongs to Abbott not Gillard:  re Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott, interaction `her calling him an extremist devoid of judgment, and him calling her a liar, precious, and a prime minister governing on a foundation of lies` There is nothing extreme about Abbott Direct Action .... and we all know the lies belong to Gillard. and her PMship built on a backstabbing of Rudd and a No Carbon Tax blatant lie. We the electorate are not as stupid as you would like to think. Our PM is not a very nice lady and she is bringing the worst out in Australians citizens, That`s how it happens leaders create the climate and foster either goodness or less by their actions… a nasty. name calling, lying leader will set the stage for nations citizens… the leader is the role model…. backstab your way to leadership, lie on policy during election and if you don`t win outright weasel a deal with misfits, a deal pathetics, can’t refuse…. and you will have given the green light to the rest of the nation to follow suit. Types like Hitler, Stalin, Mao , Gadafi etc etc do not exist without a team of nasties that keep them in place, ... leaders set the tone of the country. At this moment it is Gillard who by her actions and words brings out and has given permission to let loose all the worst in all Australians….. that`s what lies and half-truths do… in the workplace, home or nation,,,

    • Rosie says:

      02:09pm | 27/03/11

      Joan well said and lucky for you, your comments were posted! Perhaps Punch will post my this time round after some modification.

      Gillard, Labor MPs and people like wary are demanding that we give respect and tolerance to Julia Gillard because she is our PM. You have to be joking. The woman gets away with continual personal attacks on Tony Abbott and the Opposition during Question Time because the Speaker is a Labor man. It is a natural occurrence because the Speaker is a member of the Party that is the Govt.

      We have lost faith in her leadership because all integrity was swallowed up first by the way she got into high office and recently by the big fat lie of a carbon tax she is now trying desperately to impose on the people of Australia.

      Don’t tell us that she is not going to introduce a carbon tax and once in Govt because she was prepared to bend over for the Greens and Independences she does exactly what she promised to the people she wouldn’t do.

      Doubled tongued, two faced Gillard is now in a dilemma, be precious and ignore the critics or remain the female bully and continue the attacks on Tony Abbott and the Opposition as extremists, racists, sexists, deniers etc when they don’t agree with her.

      The so-called mean spirited attack on the controversial PM by frustrated people venting their anger was a missed opportunity by Gillard and Labor to curry favour with Australians. Sometimes, heartless criticism can be redemptive if you believe in yourself and your convictions. Julia Gillard could have easily been forgiven for her misdeeds if she and Labor had not made a song and dance of the words on the Placards but kept pushing to sell their “no detailed carbon tax.”

      Strong leaders are not cowards with their flight not motivated by fear but by good honest tactics. This Gillard Labor Govt with the help of the media is deterred by everything and anything to take away the real purpose of them being in Govt.

      “Abraham Lincoln said in the face of intense and cruel criticism; “let us do nothing through passion and ill temper.”

      It is also said; “welcome an enemy who will watch you keenly and sting you savagely.”

    • Peter Simmons says:

      08:16pm | 26/03/11

      Mark Kenny through his frequent appearances on Sky Agenda proves just how biased he his.
      Another so called fair program consists of 3 Left and a token disenchanted Liberal like Hewson and Baird.
      This program puts the ABC in the shade.
      Kenny’s article is typically of an ex Fairfax Left sympathiser.

    • Troy says:

      09:21am | 27/03/11

      Tamworth and Port Macquarie to the Nationals. Oakeshott and Windsor your next boys.

    • True Believer says:

      09:22am | 27/03/11

      It saddens me to see the slide into mediocracy of our political system.  I am a thinking voter, not swinging, not committed to any one party.  It is getting harder and harder, I feel, to know where my vote would best be placed. 

      When I watch Question time or listen to debates on the radio I wonder if some these people have graduated from kindergarten. In fact kindergarten children would probably be more civil and make more sense.

      I don’t really know what the political answer is. Both at State and Federal levels we seem to have hit an all-time low.  It will be interesting to see how the new government in NSW performs.

      Perhaps if there were fewer perks, lower salaries, more realistic conditions for our politicians it may sort the sheep from the goats.  The political lifestyle is so out of line of the way most Australians have to live it is little wonder our pollies appear unable to comprehend the real concerns of the population.

    • The Badger says:

      09:46am | 27/03/11

      On his way back to Parliament, Mr Abbott called the 2000 or so protesters a “cross-section of middle Australia”.

      Notwithstanding his later attempts to distance himself from “abusive or hurtful” language used by the protesters in their chants and placards, if Mr Abbott truly believed the protesters were a representative sample of middle Australia, it was instructive of who the Opposition Leader believes is his target audience.

      Among the Abbott supporters at the rally were those calling for a royal commission into the 1966 disappearance of the Beaumont children, opponents of John Howard’s gun laws and a mob alleging the carbon tax was wrapped up with a United Nations and International Monetary Fund genocide conspiracy. Loony stuff.

      It was into this menagerie of climate sceptics and oddballs, Tony Abbott stepped.

      Given he had called for a people’s revolt over Ms Gillard’s carbon tax he must have felt obliged to appear at the anti-carbon tax rally. After all, this was what he had asked for.

      But it was obvious well before the Opposition Leader turned up that the event had attracted a whole host of fringe dwellers and, according to the Government at least, a lot of unsavoury political types such as the Australian League of Rights and the Citizens Electoral Council. Oh, let’s not forget Pauline Hanson either.

      On his way back to Parliament, Mr Abbott called the 2000 or so protesters a “cross-section of middle Australia”.

      Notwithstanding his later attempts to distance himself from “abusive or hurtful” language used by the protesters in their chants and placards, if Mr Abbott truly believed the protesters were a representative sample of middle Australia, it was instructive of who the Opposition Leader believes is his target audience.

      I think Andrew Probyn has summed it up nicely.
      http://tinyurl.com/4zawa2g

    • TimB says:

      11:23am | 27/03/11

      What lovely regurgitation there Badger. You even felt the need to do it more than once. Some quote marks might have been nice too.

      And of course you’re still running with the tired old argument that a handlful of crazies define the entire opposition to the tax. A grand fallacy and you know it.

      Or should I be using the same logic to equate you and all your lefty friends with the violent protesters in England?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYOeq060PDI&feature=player_embedded

    • The Badger says:

      10:38am | 28/03/11

      timmie
      you sure you don’t want to turn the whole of the comments section into and italic and bold fest to vent your anger?

    • Tom says:

      02:00pm | 28/03/11

      Badger, we all know Gillard did not and would not call an election with this pernicious tax in her platform. Enough said.

      If middle Australia is turning crazy, it is because they are being trodden on by the repugnant liars that you fawn over.

    • The Badger says:

      03:20pm | 28/03/11

      Tom tom tom tom - beat the drum slowly.
      The lunatic fringe is on the far right of conservative politics.
      I know it may be hard for you to see the majority of us over here in the centre.
      Perhaps your health plan included prescription glasses?

      Come over here. follow my voice if you can to safety before you get sucked into the dry well of fear and ignorance.

    • Tom says:

      04:18pm | 28/03/11

      Badger, you win. Your supreme confidence has won me over. Why don’t we have an election and your “majority” can vote on this wonderful tax? In fact Badger, let’s do it now? I just hope the AEC vote counters are not also right wing loonies and count it wrong, Badger?

    • The Badger says:

      04:33pm | 28/03/11

      OK Tom
      I call an election.
      I’m just rushing over to the GG right now.
      Make you feel better?
      Suffer in silence (put your drum away)

    • Tom says:

      07:51am | 29/03/11

      @acetroll, I am not sure if suffering in silence is the best way to endure Labor’s destruction.

    • D says:

      11:49am | 27/03/11

      Gee Mark Kenney, you must be pleased by the way the respondents to your article have stayed on track. (insert slightly scarcastic smiley here)
      Thes replys just become an excuse for some to vent, or parrot off some party line. Bit much to expect some balance.

    • Pseudonym says:

      12:49pm | 27/03/11

      Don’t defend a liar Mark, and try not to dismiss normal people with genuine concerns. Your behaviour and that of the left-wing media collective is offensive. You lot are part of a ministry of truth that casts 60-year olds as extremists, but left-wing rioters as simply ‘protesters’.

    • Elder says:

      01:59pm | 27/03/11

      divide and conquer

    • Bris Jack says:

      06:13pm | 27/03/11

      Not a nice look for a female Prime Minister, she should find another head kicker although I cann’t suggest anyone.
      The “nasty feminist” signs at the tax protest may be referring to her parliamentary behaviour.

    • persephone says:

      07:55pm | 27/03/11

      Yep, because it’s OK for men to defend themselves, even when it involves calling women nasty derogatory names….but a woman should just sit there quietly and take it.

      Because she probably deserves it and the comments are all for her own good.

      Herein lies the problem.

    • Tom says:

      09:02am | 29/03/11

      @perse, playing the victim card is a bit rich. Your girl is all for the stoush when she is dishing it out.

    • acotrel: says:

      09:19pm | 27/03/11

      @Gregg
      ‘she deserves all she gets for her palefaced lies’

      I thought it was LIE - singular?  Did you learn your hyperbole from your master?

    • Joe says:

      10:09pm | 27/03/11

      No matter how the Labor supporters try to duck and weave and distract, the irrefutable fact remains that Gillard lied about the carbon tax and compounded that lie by treating the Australian people with contempt.
      Maybe there is one real man of the people remaining in the ranks of the Labor party who will step up to the plate(as Abbott did with Turnbull) and rid this country of Gillard and her nation wrecking carbon tax.

    • Really? says:

      12:44pm | 30/03/11

      OK forgive me for coming late to the conversation, but why is JG’s change of policy after the election a “lie” when every other change of policy which takes place after an election simply a “policy change” or “broken promise” (whether “core” or “non-core” as the case used to be)?

      If there are differences between this “lie” and other “policy changes” or “broken promises” they seem to be that:

      * we are in a minority gov situation where no one party could pass any policy without negotiation with independents; and

      * the change to the policy itself is fairly semantic - ie having a “fixed price” period for the ETS which is “effectively like a tax” as opposed to a straight ETS as per the original policy.

      Not saying that the ETS/carbon tax or whatever you want to call it can’t be criticised, but all this focus on the “lie” almost seems to indicate a tacit admission that the policy itself is OK except for the fact that it is based on a “lie”.

    • markjuliansmith says:

      10:46pm | 30/03/11

      Having read your entire article.

      I think you have to adapt to this new medium. The niceties of usual protocol are as you indicate have been thrown out - so what. Read between the lines or do not bother.

      I concur to the extent people should own up to who they ‘really’ are but that is more in what they say rather than their name.

      There are times in disjointed vitriol there have been some semblance of a point justifiable though not for polite conversation again - so what.

      It is the tenor and style which may tell you more about the issue or reaction to it. Is not the point frank and fearless advice/comment?

      If you are confident about who you are why should you be upset by some smarmy comment? If you are it may be they have a point which you may need to think about.

      The ethical outcomes regards Abbott and Gillard are a product of the political system so I would not be too hard on them. The fact you appear somehow alarmed or discouraged by such an event is more of a surprise to me.

      Apparently we were informed some years ago just after I resigned from the public service question time was all a show and they all get on famously in committees and such for the sake of the Nation – supposedly the words extremist, liar, precious, etc, are restricted to the show– if I were you I would be more concerned about why we have created such a political system in the first place which allows such poor theater to exist without result and more importantly what we replace it with.

    • social says:

      02:35pm | 10/05/12

      CjdbIA Thanks-a-mundo for the post.Really thank you! Much obliged.

 

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