By studying exploding stars, an Australian astrophysicist and his colleagues worked out that the Universe is not just expanding, but expanding faster and faster, thanks to dark energy. They pretty much single-handedly made us realise that instead of a Big Crunch, the Universe is just going to… gradually dissipate. Woah. We asked science writer Niall Byrne to talk us through the mind boggliness of it all.

Tycho’s nova, the remnant of a Type Ia supernova – the type used by Schmidt and his colleagues. Pic: NASA/MPIA/Calar Alto Observatory, Oliver Krause et al.

Yesterday morning the Nobel Prize for Physics committee sat down in Stockholm to consider the 2011 prize. By noon they had decided to give the prizes to the leaders of two teams of reseachers who together had come up with a crazy result that broke our understanding of the nature of the Cosmos – that our Universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

An accelerating universe was a crazy result that was hard to accept. Yet, two teams, racing neck and neck, simultaneously came to the same conclusion. Their discovery led to the idea of an expansion force, dubbed dark energy. And it suggests that the fate of the universe is to just keep expanding, faster and faster.

Thanks to Brian Schmidt, Saul Perlmutter, Adam Riess and their colleagues we now know that the stars, dust and galaxies that we can see in the sky comprise just 5 per cent of the Universe; 25 per cent is dark matter, and the rest is something else that’s pushing the Universe apart. Cosmologists call it dark energy, though no one has actually seen it yet.

And the hunt for this dark energy has engaged hundreds of astronomers worldwide.

Brian Schmidt, from the Australian National University led one of the teams competing to determine the fate of the Universe. They expected to discover that it would either expand then contract, or it would expand for ever but slow over the millennia. But there were a growing number of hints that all was not right with the theories of the time.

To find out, they not only needed to be able to measure the speed with which distant objects are traveling away from us, but also how far away they are. And to do this they needed standardised light sources — very bright ones that would be visible to Earth-based telescopes despite being billions of light years away and billions of years old.

The standard light sources they used were exploding stars — in particular Type 1a supernovae. But finding them wasn’t easy. Then the analyses over the results turned up very surprising results.

“The data wasn’t behaving as we thought it would,” says Schmidt. “There was a lot of nervous laughter,” says Perlmutter.

For both teams it was not what they were expecting. For months they both tried to figure out where they had gone wrong, searching for any tiny source of error. But the data was right. The accepted model of the universe was wrong.

The initial response of the astronomy community was one of shock, but it quickly changed to acceptance. The research was impressively rigorous, and the unanimity between the teams’ results was very convincing. It just made the universe work, cosmologically speaking. A few attempts were made to try to propose alternative explanations for the results, but they were quickly abandoned.

Both Perlmutter and Schmidt are quick to point out that, while team leaders often get all the credit, in both cases it really was a full team effort. Many individuals from different institutions all around the world worked on the problem.

Where to from here?
The upshot of the teams’ work is this: The total matter/energy balance of the universe is believed to be composed of only 5 per cent normal matter, and around 25 per cent dark matter, with the other 70 per cent attributed to the expansion force, which has been dubbed ‘dark energy’.

Having worked out that the expansion is accelerating, and that dark energy exists, the challenge now is to determine what exactly dark energy is.

One solution is to bring back Einstein’s cosmological constant, as a force that pervades space and acts in the opposite way to gravity - a repulsion effect that makes the universe want to spread out. This is a leading candidate.

A variation on this theme is something called ‘quintessence’, a similar force but one that might change with time (as opposed to the cosmological constant, which would remain unchanged no matter how big or old the universe became).

And a new generation of telescopes are being built to attempt to answer the question.

Schmidt has developed the SkyMapper project, a telescope to map the southern sky, finding more supernovae faster. Perlmutter is working on a satellite mission that would study supernovae and the nature of dark energy.

And Australia is bidding to become the home of the Square Kilometre Array, a $2 billion radio telescope that will be built either in South Africa or in a remote and radio quiet corner of Western Australia. One of its missions will be the search for dark energy. 

But there is another possibility, one that many scientists find disturbing. Maybe there is no such thing as dark energy. Perhaps it is our understanding of gravity that is faulty.

If gravity doesn’t behave the way we think it does over very large distances, or if it has changed its nature at different stages of the Universe’s history, then maybe Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity needs replacing or modifying. But General Relativity has stood up against every test thrown at it so far, so to most scientists the idea that it might need changing is something that makes them very uncomfortable. Yet the possibility cannot be ignored.

So could it be that, having already overturned one long-cherished astronomical concept with their research, the two teams’ 1998 findings will lead to the overturning of another?

Only time will tell.

Niall Byrne is a science writer with Science in Public, a Melbourne-based team of science communicators.

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    • Erick says:

      05:08am | 06/10/11

      This is an interesting discovery, but science is only a few hundred years old. During that time, scientists thought they had the answer to cosmology many times - Newtonian Physics, General Relativity, the Big Bang, the Big Crunch or Eternal Expansion, and now the Big Rip.

      I suspect that none of these are the final answer - if there even is one. Godel’s Theorem suggests that mathematics, the language of cosmology, is incapable of providing a complete and consistent theory of everything. We will probably know much more in another few hundred years, but perhaps today’s science will look as quaint as that of the 17th Century by then.

    • TChong says:

      06:10am | 06/10/11

      maybe the universe is dynamic, so there is no 1 answer to everything.

    • iansand says:

      07:18am | 06/10/11

      But Erick.  Newtonian physics is not wrong.  It is perfectly accurate at macro scales, and where there are no extremes.  Newtonian physics gets satyellites into orbit and probes to the outer edges of the Solar System.  Einstein’s physics describe Newtonian physics but also deals with surprising accuracy with conditions at extremes.  Whatever new theory comes along will describe newtonian physics and Einstein’s physics but it will also explain what is happening to accelerate expansion of the universe.

    • Erick says:

      07:47am | 06/10/11

      @iansand I didn’t say that Newtonian physics was wrong, I said it wasn’t the final answer.

      Also, I think you’ll find that the Theory of Relativity plays a significant role in space travel, where extreme accuracy of calculation is required. GPS wouldn’t work without taking relativity into account.

      As for the rate of expansion and eventual fate of the universe, the general consensus has changed several times since the beginning of the last century. I wouldn’t bet on it being final now.

    • Horse says:

      08:02am | 06/10/11

      Science is as old as civilisation - since humankind started using tools,  cultivating, and farming animals; and possibly even before.

      New observations, and interpretations & discussions of them, may put older discoveries in new light, but do not negate the methods or discussions of them.

      Science is the most dynamic of current human endeavours.

    • iansand says:

      08:23am | 06/10/11

      GPS is not space travel.  Relativistic effects must be taken into account because the system relies on extremely accurate timekeeping.  As we all know, a satellite whizzing around the Earth experiences a different version of time to the one we experience down here.  Cue photo of boffin in aeroplane with an atomic clock in the seat next to him (or her).

      Throwing a probe at Jupiter does not require anything like that level of accuracy.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:32am | 06/10/11

      Wonder if it ties in with the recent discovery of neutrinos that appear to be travelling faster than the speed of light? After all, the Universe could not keep expanding, could it,  if the speed of light really was the maximum speed limit? The fact that it appears to be accelerating instead seems to suggest that maybe this is not the case.
      I’m not a physicist so please be nice to me smile  I just wanted to put the idea out there and see if it makes sense.

    • HappyCynic says:

      08:32am | 06/10/11

      @Erick

      Where do you get the ridiculous assertion that science is only a few hundred years old from?  What about Archimedes, Euclid, Pythagoras, Panini, Aristarchus of Samos (the first heliocentrist), Avicenna (the ‘Father of Geology’), Fibonacci, Copernicus, Da Vinci and so many more?  All of these people are influential even today.

      Science has existed since humans were able to ask questions.  To suggest that science is just a few hundred years old is to insult the contributions that everyone from the architects of the Pyramids to the mathemiticians of Ancient Greece to the astronomers and mathematicians of Ancient China, the linguists of India, the engineers, astronomers and mathematicians of Islam in the 9th - 11th Centuries and so on have made to the field of science.

    • Shane says:

      08:50am | 06/10/11

      “Godel’s Theorem suggests that mathematics, the language of cosmology, is incapable of providing a complete and consistent theory of everything.”

      I think you’ll find that’s called the “shit happens” theory, and it can be applied by both scientists and ordinary people to explain every single event in the history of all time, ever. Even those of us without massive grants or PHD’s :-p

      Great article, but does understanding this stuff make life better for humans? Sure, our curiosity is fed, but unless it improves life on earth or leads to finding other earth like planets and a way to get there at speeds hundreds of times faster than light so that space travel is feasible, no.. not really.

    • Erick says:

      09:42am | 06/10/11

      @Horse - I was referring to the kind of science we do today, based on largely based on hypotheses expressed in mathematical terms, and subject to falsification and formal review. It’s origins are around the time of Newton.

      Theories obviously change. Sometimes observations change too - as in the canals on Mars that were observed a century ago, or the spontaneous generation of bacteria before that. Only later, more refined observations showed that the earlier ones were wrong.

      @iansand - I’m pretty sure you’ll find that relativistic effects need to be taken into account if you want to throw a probe at Jupiter with good accuracy. Especially if the probe is also going to fly by Saturn and its moons. Small perturbations have huge effects over long distances.

      @Shane - No, Godel’s Theorem is not “shit happens”. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, you should look it up so you don’t sound like a fool.

    • David says:

      09:55am | 06/10/11

      @Happycynic,

      Science may be more than a few hundred years old but it is only in the last couple of hundred years that it has broken free from the repression of the church and we have really made some progress. How much further advanced would we be now if it weren’t for the Catholic Church?

    • Mark G says:

      10:05am | 06/10/11

      Anne 71,

      To put it simply to you, the universe can keep accelerating and not pass the speed of light. The reason that you cannot travel faster than the speed of light is that as you approach the speed of light, time distorts in such a way that you can appear to be accelerating but your relative speed doesn’t pass the speed of light. You have to remember that time and space is not always consistent or linear in the universe particularly at speeds approaching the speed of light. That’s the simplest why I can put it. Of course the discovery of neutrinos that appear to travel faster than the speed of light casts some doubt on some elements (but not all) of this theory.

    • ZSRenn says:

      10:19am | 06/10/11

      A question!

      Is it the gap between the galaxies that is expanding or the galaxies themselves as well and if so the size of the solar systems.

      Which brings me to ask the question, are the gaps between individual atoms also expanding and therefore I am bigger than I was yesterday.

    • iMitchy says:

      10:26am | 06/10/11

      @Anne71,
      That was the first thing that crossed my mind while reading this article.
      I have a theory that might tie these together…

      Although Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity tells us that the speed of light is not relative (ie if you are travelling forwards at the speed of light and fire a laser forwards, it will not shoot off at twice the speed of light - instead, you would see the tip of the laser beam, travelling at the same distance as you, so it would appear frozen - kind of like a light sabre!).
      Anyway - what if the speed of light was also accelerating at the same rate as the universe is expanding? So it would take the same amount of time for a light beam to cross the universe today as it would at any given time in the future (or past) regardless of how much the universe has expanded.
      Maybe the density of dark energy affects the speed of light (which would be less dense towards the outer edges of the universe) which would also contribute to the appearance of light speed being constant.

      This is gonna get way too complicated so I’m going to stop. When you start undoing the foundations of scientific theory your imagination can really get away from you…

    • Chris L says:

      10:35am | 06/10/11

      Don’t be such a downer Shane. A great many of the most influential inventions of history were the incidental results of such scientific investigation. For one example the investigation of astronomy has contributed greatly to wireless technology including mobile phones.

    • neo says:

      11:08am | 06/10/11

      Science is always right. Until it’s proven wrong later on, of course.

    • JulesG says:

      11:20am | 06/10/11

      To Anne71: Good point. Einstein said that massive objects (objects with mass no matter how small) cannot move at light speed. Partly because of insufficient energy input to the objects acceleration and partly because moving mass increases with velocity and therefore requires even more energy input.

      When we are dealing with super massive objects such as galaxies, is this expansion limited by the speed of light in a vacuum? Will the expansion reach a limit or will the stars simply appear to go out as their light cannot reach us.

      Fred Hoyle discovered the expanding universe and the red shift back in the 20’s and this accelerated expansion has been hypothesised for some time now. It will be interesting to see where all this takes us. The experiments at CERN with the LHC are very exciting as we explore the true nature of matter itself. I think it’s all linked together. One might say watch this space! Ha ha.

    • Nick says:

      11:39am | 06/10/11

      iansand: we can’t know whether Netwonian physics are wrong or not on a galactic scale. We know that at a subatomic level, it is practically useless, and this expanding evidence is a sign that it probably doesn’t work on a galactic scale either

      furthermore, relativistic effects are already taken into account. Believe it or not, the astrophysicists and space engineers who design space vehicles and the like took year 12 physics and as such know about special relativity.

      Anne71: It probably doesn’t tie in at all. The most likely result of the discovery of the speed of neutrinos is that the speed of neutrinos is actually the cosmological speed limit, so c would no longer be the speed of light.

      David: we wouldn’t have this country if not for the Catholic Church, so bugger off

    • Ced & Dot says:

      12:04pm | 06/10/11

      Mr Erick

      Dear Sir,
      Can you absolutely guarantee, that this discovery will not affect our pension. Thankyou.

      Yours faithfully,

      Cedric & Dorothy

    • just sayin' says:

      12:12pm | 06/10/11

      I liked what you originally said Erick, and was going to back you up with a comment on falsifiability and the idea that the knowledge we have at any given time seems to make people feel like they know it all right then, even though through history we always come up with newer and greater knowledge.

      But then I read the rest of your interplay with posters and rememberred that you never take any of an idea from anyone elses input, you are often rude and beligerant, and you play the game as though you are always absolutely right and need to be defended aginst the ignorant and wrong posters out there. Dialogue and debate are not one way streets mate.

    • Aaron says:

      12:38pm | 06/10/11

      Erick, to fling a probe around jupiter doesn’t require any consideration of time dilation effects.

      I’ve been studying orbital mechanics at uni for the past several months, and these flight paths are not exact sciences. The rocket burns and get’s it going on a pretty good path. A couple of months/years down the track another burn is made to correct the discrepancies in the path from the original burn.

      The concept of a slingshot is that you are taking momentum from a planet to accelerate your probe. It is rare that these manourvers require burn and burn times, the corrections are done long before the time dilation would take any significant effect, and if we could accelerate probes to relativistic speeds we probably wouldn’t be worrying too much about slingshots.

    • Kika says:

      12:45pm | 06/10/11

      Few hundred years old? I think as soon as humans decided to jump out of the trees we were trying to work out the world and how to make life better for ourselves. Science is as old as we are.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:03pm | 06/10/11

      @Aaron - and you can thank Johannes Kepler and his Three Laws of Planetary Motion for the fact that we are able to “fling a probe around Jupiter”.  One of history’s most outstanding astronomers and yet, sadly, one of the most overlooked.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:04pm | 06/10/11

      @Aaron - and you can thank Johannes Kepler and his Three Laws of Planetary Motion for the fact that we are able to “fling a probe around Jupiter”.  One of history’s most outstanding astronomers and yet, sadly, one of the most overlooked.

    • Aaron says:

      02:18pm | 06/10/11

      I was going to say we can thank Gravity raspberry although Kepler really was a gun in this field. Not a lecture goes by where we don’t refer to his work. The point of that post was that Erick had mentioned the need for understanding of relativity, which you don’t need for slingshots.

    • MarkS says:

      08:36am | 07/10/11

      Either I accept that 95% of the universe is something that cannot be observed but for its effect on the 5% that can be observed. Or I believe that maybe the theory that required the invention of the 95% to explain observations needs some adjustment.

      And at the moment it is a matter of belief; dark matter & dark energy have not been observed. They are only a guess to make to sums fit the present theory of how gravity works.

      I am going to go for the “theory needs adjustment” camp. All the other theories have needed adjustment, why not general relativity. The present situation looks a lot like the position before relativity when the observations did not fit Newton & all sorts of odd properties for an unobserved substance Ether where invented to explain the problems away.

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:36am | 06/10/11

      How incredibly awesome.  So the universe is simply going to keep expanding until it just…fizzles?

      Nihilists of the world rejoice!

    • Tina says:

      06:24am | 06/10/11

      Its one of those things that keep you busy for a while speculating about it. I always struggle with the idea of “what is behind the universe?”. I mean, things stop somewhere. Its all a fascinating subject. And in 2 years time the next theory might be overtrown as well.

    • Tedd says:

      06:56am | 06/10/11

      A great irony, Marhhrat, is that your conclusion is itself *nihilism* in its broadest definition (the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life).

    • BMJ says:

      06:38am | 06/10/11

      I’m not saying anything until Alan Jones takes a look at the science.

    • Tedd says:

      06:58am | 06/10/11

      Bwahahahaha - but Alan won’t get involved until there is a tax on dark energy.

    • Anubis says:

      07:39am | 06/10/11

      @ Tedd - don’t say that too loudly otherwise Julia just might take that up

    • PsychoHyena says:

      09:08am | 06/10/11

      I’m sure Andrew Bolt would have something to say about Science only choosing to identify itself as such to obtain advantage.

    • Kika says:

      12:49pm | 06/10/11

      BWaaahahahahaha…  Yes, please! We have to think of the children!

    • Kipling says:

      06:42am | 06/10/11

      It seems a shame to me that we cannot get such rigorous scientific explainations published about other hot global topics…

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:17am | 06/10/11

      They are mate, it’s just that nobody else has a massive vested commercial or political interest in proving any of this stuff wrong.

      That’s the problem with things like the global warming argument.  This universe science is routinely accepted and everyone goes “Wow!” yet scientists, who went to similar schools and presumably have similarly powerful methods and brain power at their disposal and suddenly incompetent boobs?  C’mon kids, it’s a bit obvious.

    • TimB says:

      07:30am | 06/10/11

      That could be because manipulated computer models, unproven predictions, and over the top doomsday scenarios don’t exactly count as rigorous science.

      Just a thought.

    • Tina says:

      07:45am | 06/10/11

      I wonder how many amazing findings of scientists never see daylight because they are popular enough, not supported enough or politically threatening. After all funding for science projects is a highly political matter in itself already.

    • iansand says:

      07:50am | 06/10/11

      I know, TimB.  I just don’t know how those deniers can live with themselves.

    • Direct says:

      08:25am | 06/10/11

      You do realise Dark Energy is a label given to the margin of error within current calculations on the rate of the Universe’s expansion, right?

    • PsychoHyena says:

      09:11am | 06/10/11

      @Kipling, they’ve tried, unfortunately Global warming isn’t popular enough.

    • iMitchy says:

      01:34pm | 06/10/11

      @ Direct,

      ‘Tis true. It’s sort of a way to rationalise nothingness. Much in the same way we try to rationalise infinity.

      And the margin for error in this case?
      70%. That’s pretty inaccurate.

      On another note, if this 70% is void of mass, then wouldn’t the temperature be absolute 0, as there are no atoms to experience any movement which raise the temp above absolute 0? And if there is no atomic movement and nothing to absorb or reflect light, then isn’t time itself null if not non existent in these voids and therefore they cannot be expanding as movement is defined by time?
      What if the universe itself isn’t technically expanding, but the actual parts of the universe that contain any mass whatsoever are repelling, or moving away from each other creating the illusion that the universe is expanding by creating the appearance of more dark energy in between the mass, and larger distances for light to cross and there is nothing more beyond the “edge of the universe” than massless masses of dark energy anyway, rather than less than massless dark energy as is currently assumed oh no I’ve gone cross-eyed…

    • bleD says:

      07:22am | 06/10/11

      The conclusion that the universe’s expansion is accelerating rests on the assumption that supernovae explosions in the early stages of formation of the universe are exactly the same as supernovae explosions in the more recent age. A 5% difference in those characteristics is sufficient to eliminate the acceleration. So I sincerely hope that the basic assumption is correct.

    • Nick says:

      11:41am | 06/10/11

      expansion of the universe has been proven by the spectral red-shifting of galaxies. The galaxies further away from us are accelerating faster away from us.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:31am | 06/10/11

      Monty Python knew this years ago-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

    • Ian1 says:

      07:35am | 06/10/11

      Let us ponder the fate of the universe, and draw macro-micro comparisons with our global economy.  At least we can rely on the last frontier for perpetual growth. 
      How scary universal contractions (or negative growth) would be for developing galaxies.
      Fluctuations in light wave currency due to gravitational budgetary black holes…
      Disappearing accountability for trade relationships…

    • Frank says:

      07:43am | 06/10/11

      well if you listen to MTR 1377 the other day Andrew Bolt believed that this discovery actually proved Monty Python wrong…I don’t know how accurate his assumption would be, this discovery was made in 1998, although I don’t know if I like the guy’s assertion that the Universe will just fizzle out eventually…not very exciting..glad to see Einstein’s theory is more relevant than ever..as Schmidt said “he(Einstein) was on the right track, he just thought he was wrong”..

    • Kipling says:

      10:26am | 06/10/11

      Andrfew Bolt the other day? Was that before or after his freedom of speech was restricted?

      Just asking?

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:59am | 06/10/11

      This proves that the dark side of the force is the strongest.

    • Question says:

      08:14am | 06/10/11

      Does the dark matter/dark energy have mass?

      If it does then gravity still works the way we think it does, but the combined mass of invisible matter and energy locally exerts a greater pull on material bodies than their distant material cousins in stars and planets… so the dark stuff would be pulling everything away from everything else - but still functioning as a gravity effect.
      No?
      If dark stuff has mass… and the universe is 75% dark… then the product of the mass of star 1 and the dark stuff in its vacinity, inversely to its proximity… will be greater than the product of star 1 and star 2 inversely as their proximity because of the greater distances between them.
      No?
      wouldn’t this explain attracting of material bodies within a certain distance and apparent repulsion beyond a certain distance?

      Is there a reason why this cant be the case?

    • Mark G says:

      10:33am | 06/10/11

      Question,

      I think what you are saying is that two bodies with mass attract each other more when they are closer because there is less dark matter/energy (with mass) between them.

      The problem is that you are mixing up the concepts of dark matter and dark energy.

    • Questions says:

      12:26pm | 06/10/11

      Not quite, Mark

      Two bodies attract faster when they are closer because that is the law of gravity - proportional to mass and inverse to distance. The shorter the distance, the less the inverse.

      I’m not confusing energy and matter at all - energy has a mass equivalent under e=mc^2 (energy *equals* mass ..etc).

      What I’m asking is if all the dark energy, taken as a single energy-mass equivalent, would generate sufficient gravitational force on the non-dark matter to make it accelerate away from other matter.

      Take a space ship vs earth and the moon… if you fired the rocket straight at the moon, and stopped it accelerating at a certain point… you have 2 options: it slows to a stop and begins accelerating back to earth - or it has enough momentum to break orbit, kind of ‘snap the elastic’ if you like, and continue on its path - slowing down while its residual energy is used up & earth is still exerting the primary gravitational effect - until it starts being pulled the other way by the moon’s gravity and begins accelerating towards the moon.

      If dark matter/energy is ‘the moon’ it can explain why things are accelerating away from each other instead of slowing, and it means we can still have gravity.

    • Kika says:

      12:53pm | 06/10/11

      Hmm… interesting! Perhaps this now blows out the big bang theory and the universe is and always will be..??

    • Mark G says:

      01:20pm | 06/10/11

      @Question,

      There are a few problems that I can see with your hypothesis.
      1. A rocket travelling between the earth and the moon is acted on by both bodies (in fact every other body in the universe) during the entire journey even when the rockets are firing. Their will be a point when the moon’s gravitation effect is equal and opposite to the earths. The net effect is zero (ignoring other universal forces) and therefore zero acceleration is present. This is your ‘elastic band’ point for want of a better term.  The problem with that term is that when you pass it you don’t suddenly start rapidly accelerating towards the moon. It is a net effect that accumulates as you get closer to the moon and the moons gravitation become more pronounced than the earth. Term break orbit is also a misused term in that context.

      2. Dark matter is throughout the universe. Not concentrated on the edges or a theoretical centre (not that either exists) to pull matter in particular directions.  Its much more complex than that. Dark energy is driving the expansion not a gravitational force from dark matter.

      3. The formula E=MC2 defines the fact that energy and matter are interchangeable but does not say the energy has mass or that mass is energy.

      An interesting concept that I have heard recently is the idea that the universe’s expansion and the apparent acceleration as observed from earth may just be because of the distortions in time-space created by the unexpected effects of the dark matter. Of course that’s even more difficult to substantiate. Particularly if you don’t have a spaceship to test the theory.

    • malohi says:

      03:08pm | 06/10/11

      If you throw dark matter at ozma you can take off 9999 hp.

    • Adam says:

      08:16am | 06/10/11

      It’s very interesting stuff no doubt. “Redshift” has been a theory for (as far as I can tell) over 100 years in the scientific community, so it’s good to see that there is now some more evidence to back it up. It is interesting that the article alludes to our understanding of gravity to be wrong, as this (of course) is a very real possibility. Although, as pointed out in other comments, our current understanding of gravity isn’t “wrong”, it’s just that the rules we currently have appear to work perfectly fine in our local area of space/time. It will be interesting to see if someone makes a credible theory, with some supporting evidence, to suggest that at the “very large scale” (ie: inter-galactic scale) gravity works very differently.

      Gravity is one of those strange effects though. We know it’s there, and we know relative strengths of various objects have in regards to gravity over various distances…but we still don’t know the “carrier” for gravity (the ever-elusive “gravatron” or some other named-particle/wave in science fiction), and we also don’t understand where mass comes from. Once again, we KNOW objects have mass, it’s an observable phenomenon…but we still have no idea WHY. The best theories for why there is mass rely on a particle which has not been discovered yet, and which many more people are beginning to wonder if it will ever be discovered at all (ie: the Higgs Boson).

      All I know for sure is: We live in VERY interesting times as far as scientific discovery is concerned. Who knows what our understanding of “everything” will be like in the next 25-50 years?

    • Luce says:

      08:51am | 06/10/11

      This is why science is awesome.

    • nossy says:

      08:54am | 06/10/11

      I am sorry Niall but that photo attached to your article looks amazingly like a Passionfruit cut in two? Anyway good on Schmidty for his discovery - my only question is how van we use this new piece of information in our daily lives?

    • iansand says:

      09:10am | 06/10/11

      Let me tell you a story, Nossy.  About 45 years ago - maybe more - I remeber reading an article in a popular science magazine.  These blokes in a lab had been playing around with something, and had managed to produce this really cool effect.  No one was quite sure what use it would be, but everyone thought it was a really neat trick and that they had been very clever little boffins.


      They called it a laser.

    • Luce says:

      09:23am | 06/10/11

      Does it matter? This stuff is fascinating. Understanding more about our universe and our world is never a waste of time, even if it has no implications for our daily lives.

    • nossy says:

      09:45am | 06/10/11

      @iansand   and 42 years ago we went to the moon and havnt been back since - i reckon all these science boffins are on a free kick with Taxpaper dollars - good grief look at NASA - what a ripoff of Taxpayer dollars that lot are!

    • Luce says:

      10:35am | 06/10/11

      nossy, science isn’t just about creating things we can use, it’s about the pursuit of knowledge. Denying one avenue of research because right now it doesn’t look like it will produce a gadget the everyday man can use is incredibly narrow minded and limiting.

      And regarding money - do you know what these researchers get paid?? Believe me, you don’t become a scientist for the cash. It’s incredibly hard work for pretty measly pay.

    • fml says:

      10:53am | 06/10/11

      nossy,

      We havnt been back to the moon because we were told not to go back!!

      I think i need more foil for my hat smile

    • Nick says:

      11:42am | 06/10/11

      nossy, what you just said was so stupid that i can’t tell if you were trolling or not. NASA produces $15 worth of technology for every $1 invested. You wouldn’t have the computer you’re typing on if not for NASA. thanks

    • nossy says:

      11:43am | 06/10/11

      @Luce I am not having a go at Schmidty personally Luce just his thoeries. Lately we have been told some of Einsteins calcs were wrong so who knows whether Schmidts calcs can be relied on? hes trying to tell us the universe is expanding yet many here on Earth dont believe in the Science of Climate Change. Strewth - good money if you can get it Schmidty I reckon!

    • nossy says:

      11:52am | 06/10/11

      @fml   of course we did go there in the first place didnt we fml?  haah Funny how the International Space Station is parked just iinside the protective Van Allen belt mmmmmm

    • nossy says:

      12:06pm | 06/10/11

      @Nick rubbish Nick - NASA are forever being told to justify the huge money input theydrain off the Taxpayer - and for so little results. Class A ripoff merchants fella!

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:17pm | 06/10/11

      @nossy

      Money is worthless compared to knowledge.  It’s pathetic to think that knowledge and money should be inextricably linked.

      People don’t pursue knowledge because they want to make a buck or two, they pursue it because they want answers to questions.

      Human curiosity trumps human greed in the pursuit of knowledge everytime.  Greed then takes over and exploits the knowledge obtained.

    • marley says:

      12:20pm | 06/10/11

      @Nossy - well, frankly, I’d rather my tax dollars went to this kind of science, or even NASA’s science, than to supporting Formula 1 Races or Papal visits.  Talk about rip offs!

    • Nick says:

      12:24pm | 06/10/11

      hey nossy, i guess you’re right. Lets cut the couple of billion dollars funding to NASA so we can give even more than $16 trillion to absolutely nothing!

    • Luce says:

      12:56pm | 06/10/11

      That’s fine, have a go at his theories, that’s what science is all about: it’s based on the assumption that we don’t know everything, so we go with what the best evidence tells us and keep searching until other evidence gives us cause to change our view. It’s called the scientific method.

      There is nothing in life that will give you answers that you can rely on 100%, but that’s no reason to shy away from searching. In fact it’s a terrible reason to shy away from searching. Yes, some of Einstein’s calculations may have been wrong, but his work still advanced physics more than almost any other person in history.

    • Pythonfan says:

      09:39am | 06/10/11

      Whenever life gets you down Mrs Brown
      When things seem hard or tough
      When people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
      And you feel that you’ve had quite enough

      Just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s evolving
      And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
      That’s orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it’s reckoned,
      A sun that is the source of all our power.
      The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
      Are moving at a million miles a day
      In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
      Of the galaxy we call the ‘Milky Way’.

      Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
      It’s a hundred thousand light years side to side.
      It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
      But out by us, it’s just three thousand light years wide.
      We’re thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
      We go ‘round every two hundred million years,
      And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
      In this amazing and expanding universe.

      The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
      In all of the directions it can whizz
      As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
      Twelve million miles a minute, and that’s the fastest speed there is.
      So remember, when you’re feeling very small and insecure,
      How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
      And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space,
      ‘Cause there’s bugger all down here on Earth.

    • poocheterio says:

      09:40am | 06/10/11

      yes, our thinking neurones brain is expanding the realms of the light and the dark matters of the hadron collider

    • Niall Byrne says:

      10:20am | 06/10/11

      Thanks for all your comments on my article. Here’s a few quick responses.

      Yes, this work matters firstly because we want to know how the Universe works.

      Secondly it may not affect our lives today or tomorrow, but it will in decades to come. Fundamental discoveries often transform society over time. For example the laser was an esoteric experiment with no application. Today lasers are everywhere - in our computers, cars, dvd players etc. And you’ve seen nothing yet. The fast, reliable wifi we use everyday depends on the ideas of an astronomer looking for exploding black holes some decades ago.

    • fml says:

      11:00am | 06/10/11

      Dont forget fermentation of sugars lead to the discovery of beer smile

    • stephen says:

      10:49am | 06/10/11

      This stuff blows the mind really.  Try explaining this to a curious 9 YO!  Ummm…Ok son, dark matter..well umm.

      Much safer to stick with discussing the shortcomings of Iphone4S

    • iansand says:

      11:01am | 06/10/11

      The good news (or the bad news) is that astronomers are in no better position to explain anything to your 9 year old than you are.  “Dark matter” and “dark energy” are a shorthand way of saying “really weird stuff that we can’t explain yet but which are having this so far inexplicable effect on the way the universe behaves”.  We are getting to the creative writing section of modern cosmology.  The bit where they say “Let’s make up something that might fit and see what happens when we try it out.”

    • iansand says:

      11:25am | 06/10/11

      Although they have come up with two of my favourite acronyms for competing theories of where to find the dark matter - weakly interacting massive particles, or WIMPS, and massive compact halo objects, or MACHOs.  Unfortunately we have progressed beyond these two theories.  I think the WIMPs won.

    • Niall Byrne says:

      10:52am | 06/10/11

      The comments on climate science are interesting. There’s lots of good writing on the subject - the Academy of Science has a great publication at http://www.science.org.au/reports/climatechange2010.pdf

      And the fundamentals of climate science are as robust as Brian’s astrophysics.  Real science gets debated and published in journals like Science, Nature, PNAS and many others. . It’s not perfect but it’s the best system we’ve got and it’s brought us relativity, the structure of DNA, vaccine science, overwhelming evidence of climate change, and Brian’s Nobel work.

    • iansand says:

      11:20am | 06/10/11

      Facts won’t work, Niall.  You are dealing with zealotry.

    • jay-ded says:

      12:00pm | 06/10/11

      NB, what are your thoughts on our carbon tax.  Will this really change anything?  Wouldn’t we be better off conserving our natural rain forests etc rather than taxing Australian people on carbon usage?

    • Warwick says:

      12:25pm | 06/10/11

      No-one doubts that many scientists claim that human emissions of carbon dioxide are going to have catastrophic effects on earth’s climate.

      But, if they are so certain, why give credence to obvious frauds like Michael Mann’s infamous hockey stick?

      Why refuse to share methodologies and data, and rig the peer review process, as was revealed in the climategate scandal?

      And, most alarmingly, why claim that only a few weird eccentrics amongst scientists don’t support the man-made global warming hypothesis? A little investigation reveals that there are hundreds and hundreds of top flight scientists, from top flight universities and other research institutions, who dismiss the idea as being nothing more than a minor, marginally interesting hypothesis without any confirmation from readily repeatable obversation?. And, if you are impressed by such things, nobel laureates are numbered amongst the rejectionists.

      The global warming zealots can repeat as much as they like that all the significant scientists agree with them but it has been well established that this is untrue. Just this one, huge lie and the fact that it is being repeated over and over, is enough to discredit the global warming alarmists.

      Very naive folk have the mindset that you must never doubt what you are told by a man in a white labcoat. They have never heard of the huge wars fought amongst the proponents of competing hypotheses.

      Please do not put forward arguments meant to appeal to the ignorant and lazy.

    • iansand says:

      12:55pm | 06/10/11

      See.

    • andye says:

      01:17pm | 06/10/11

      @Warwick - You need to spend less time reading conspiracy theories. Even though Mann was cleared you still call it a “fraud”? What about all the other independent studies that show similar results?

      I am yet to meet a climate change sceptic who wasn’t ready to leap on the next “smoking gun” they think they have found. Liars like Richard Cochrane and Ian Plimer can publish any kind of spurious made up bull and a thousand blogs will breathlessly publish it while a million smug sceptics can barely wait to say “i told you so”.

      Until you can demonstrate that you can show even the slightest bit of diligence questioning the evidence presented to you on its merits (as opposed to whether or not it agrees with what you already think) why should I consider you anything other than a “zealot”?

    • Niall Byrne says:

      02:55pm | 06/10/11

      Warwick - when it comes to the science of climate change the right question isn’t “Who says it?” but “Where did they say it?”. We can all have an opinion, but we can’t all have our own set of facts. The evidence of climate change comes from scientists doing the experiments, making the observations and reporting them in peer-reviewed science publications. If scientists think the science is wrong then they should do their own work and get it published in the same journals. Just shouting ‘He’s wrong’ doesn’t work. This process works for astronomy, for medicine and for climate change.

      Nothing is definite in science, but the science of climate change is as robust as any other field.

      Policy is a different question and there’s room for a lot of debate there. Science says the climate is changing, sea levels are rising. You, the community and the government have to decide how to respond.
      You may decide to do nothing, you may decide to have a carbon tax. That conversation shouldn’t be about the science.

    • Kassandra says:

      03:12pm | 06/10/11

      OK, so we can question and may have to modify the Theories of Special and General Relativity on the basis of new empirical observations but “the fundamentals of climate science” are so robust that they are beyond question? “Real” science is the only kind there is, it is always open to question, challenge and review. The rest is superstition and dogma.

    • Warwick says:

      04:17pm | 06/10/11

      Niall, what you have said is simply another re-iteration of the old and tired boiler plate that Greenpeace, WWF, Flannery and others repeat ad nauseum. “Peer reviewed, it’s got to be peer reviewed.”

      But , listen to Harold Lewis, whose qualification comes from being Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara;:
      “The money flood has become the raison d’etre of much physics research. It is the global warming scam that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried the APS (the American Physical Society) before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents. I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion.

      When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the of the financial penalty for doing otherwise.”

      I could quote hundreds-  eminent physicists, chemists, atmospheric scientists, professors of atmospheric physics, chemistry and on and on.

      Anyone can smell the green self-righteousness that surrounds the global warming scare campaign but these are top flight working scientists who risked ostracism to expose the torturing of evidence and the shoddy analysis and theorising that make up the alarmism.

      This is not the first time that huge wars have taken place in the scientific community (think of the bitterness and hostility between Salk and Sabin over the development of a polio vaccine) and disagreement is to be expected. But it is just absurd to expect anyone to buy the line that this is is a contest between science and anti-science, as if those first rate scientists who reject the AGW idea are similar to the practitioners of homeopathy.

      So the alarmists have the upper hand at the moment? That doesn’t mean much. Many scientists of integrity are dropping off the AGW bandwagon and stating that politics, particularly green politics, and not the principles of science, is the driving force behind the scare.

      Before too long the duplicity of the alarm promoters will be obvious to all.

    • iansand says:

      05:00pm | 06/10/11

      Warwick - Forget the conspiracies.  Produce some evidence.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      06:57pm | 06/10/11

      @Warwick Can you name a single peak science body (Royal Society, NASA etc) that accepts the denialist thesis?

    • Anubis says:

      11:12am | 06/10/11

      I would just like to know, What is Sheldon Cooper’s take on this (and the other recent finding that things CAN travel faster than the speed of light)??

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      04:03pm | 06/10/11

      Sheldon Cooper is hoootttttttttt !!!!!!

    • The Punch Card says:

      11:15am | 06/10/11

      Your comment:The Punch Team should get the Nobel Prize for Literature

    • marley says:

      12:58pm | 06/10/11

      Well if Henry Kissinger, Yasser Arafat and Menachim Begin can get the Peace Prize, I don’t see why The Punch shouldn’t be in the running for literature.

    • Waz says:

      12:10pm | 06/10/11

      Maybe the universe has always been here, no big bang, no big start, no supreme creator and maybe no end..

    • Kika says:

      12:55pm | 06/10/11

      OMG that’s just what I thought too! Maybe the universe is ‘universal’ and the ultimate perpetual motion machine?

      Maybe ‘God’ created us to prove that a perpetual motion machine actually works by using dark matter vs matter vs gravity and star dust and supernovas to fuel the machine to keep working..??

      Wow this is amazing.

    • stephen says:

      06:54pm | 06/10/11

      The other way round I would think : a finite universe, one that has a beginning and will have an end, is one where I think it would be necessary for ourselves to create a God, if even only to explain a cause and an end, and a reason.
      Infiniteness cannot deal with precepts.

    • MarkS says:

      08:40am | 07/10/11

      @Waz
      Steady State Theory, Hubbles idea, wrong

    • nossy says:

      12:37pm | 06/10/11

      Heress the guy giving us tangible practical reults for minimal dollar outlay - Richard Branson and his Virgingalatic who very shortly will be doing space flights. If Branson had a tenth of the Trillions NASA has frittered away over the years he would have a man walking on MARS by now! And its stuff we can see - not expanding Universes! Strewth theres one born ever minute!
      http://www.virgingalactic.com/

    • Luce says:

      01:17pm | 06/10/11

      So you think a billionaire taking wealthy civilians to the edge of earth’s atmosphere for no other reason than his own commercial gain is more worth while than exploring how the universe works to increase humanity’s body of collective knowledge? Seriously?

    • Mark G says:

      01:33pm | 06/10/11

      Nothing Richard Branson is building can leave earths orbit. The just go above the altitude that we define as true space. The Americas were doing that back in the 50’s/60’s with the X projects (ie X-1 X-2…). This is actually where guys like Neil Armstrong and Chuck Yeager got their astronaut wings. This is not space exploration it’s just taking people to a part of the earth that they don’t normally go. If Richard Branson wanted to build interplanetary craft then he would probably have the same problems as NASA.

    • nossy says:

      02:41pm | 06/10/11

      @Luce a complete waste of money Luce - you have no doubt heard the term “black hole”  well we have one here on Earth where Taxpayers money is sucked into never to be seen again - its called NASA! And whilst I applaud Schmidty for “having a go” his new expanding Universe theory is the most useless piece of information I have heard in a long time. Strweth!

    • Aaron says:

      02:52pm | 06/10/11

      UM… Richard Branson doesn’t ‘Build’ Virgin Galactic. He oppertates it. Virgin Galactic is based off SpaceShip 2 Technology developed by Scaled Composites. It is a Sub-Orbital form of transport that could potentially replace air travel in the next 70-80 years.

      Never under estimate NASA’s contribution to society in area’s like aerodynamics, satellites, communications, GPS, and so on. While we’re on the topic of budget. NASA’s annual budget is approximately equal to 3 days in Iraq. I say bring the troops home and give the money to NASA

    • Luce says:

      03:54pm | 06/10/11

      Brian Schmidt doesn’t work for NASA, he works at the Australian National University in Canberra. Some of his work might be government funded, some would come from student fees (and I can assure you the government is wasting plenty of money on other useless things that will contribute less to society than Schmidt’s work).

      And as Aaron just mentioned, the contribution NASA has made to the world is huge, and much of the technology you take for granted on a daily basis is a result of that.

      People want to explore the universe not because they think it might bring some sort of financial gain or make life a little easier, they do it because they’re curious and because they don’t want to be ignorant f**ks. Just because you don’t find it interesting, useful or worthwhile, doesn’t mean others think the same.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      04:16pm | 06/10/11

      nossy - I’d quit the anti-NASA rants - you’re being blown out of the water each time. You may like to live in ignorant-hickville and bow to the idol called money but most people appreciate science and human endeavours and take this for what it is - the pure pursuit of knowledge. This is the stuff that makes humanity worthwhile, not money.

    • nossy says:

      04:52pm | 06/10/11

      @MadKat of Melbourne   I live in the real world Madcat where I want more bang for my Taxpayers dollars than paying someone to come up with a theory that the Universe is expanding - sheesh! I havnt heard a more useless piece of info in the last 40 years!  hahah As for NASA shut it down and let Private Enterprise take over the space race - the piggies at NASA have been at the trough far too long!

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      08:04am | 07/10/11

      Nossy - I do live in the real-world. I work in the financial markets so my life revolves around the value of money. The universe expanding is actually real world and I don’t mind my taxes going to this sort of research and supporting great minds like this.

      If this is the most useless piece of information you’ve heard in the last 40 years then really, you need to go out and get a life. If people like you ruled the world we would be stuck back in the dark-ages. But thank goodness your opinion doesn’t actually matter to anyone.

    • Aaron says:

      12:47pm | 06/10/11

      I find it interesting that if confirmed this end of the universe scenerio would lead to the Big Freeze… Surprisingly similar to Norse Ragnarok…. May Thor protect us!!!!

    • Kika says:

      12:48pm | 06/10/11

      Wow this is really exciting. We were told in high school that the universe had reached it’s peak expansion and was contracting again. But we keep accelerating. Cool… this could mean that the universe is MUCH older than we thought…!!!  It’s mind blowing isn’t it. What is the universe IN? It’s got to be in something…

      I know what dark matter is. According to Futurama it’s the most fuel efficient power source there is. More powerful that nuclear energy and it can fuel spaceships and everything.

    • JC says:

      01:25pm | 06/10/11

      I would have thought if the universes expansion is constantly accelerating then the universe is actually much younger than what we thought.

    • Adam says:

      01:41pm | 06/10/11

      I’m just curious Kika…why does the universe HAVE to be “in” something? “The Universe” also contains what Hawking describes as “space-time”, so by inclusion of “all of space and time”, “beyond” it has no meaning, as there is no “space”, and no “time”. It’s all weird “other demensional” stuff that honestly took me a LONG time to even begin to understand it. I used to think that if you took off on a ship from Earth, and kept travelling in the one direction, you would eventually reach the “edge” of the universe, but apparently you just end right back at Earth again! Totally weird stuff to wrap your head around.

      I absolutely recommend reading Hawking’s “The Universe in a Nutshell” - written in more-or-less very plain language that is fairly easy to understand. I have yet to read Hawking’s latest book so I can’t comment on that, but “A Brief History of Time” is also a VERY good read.

    • Mark G says:

      02:35pm | 06/10/11

      Uuuumm kika,

      I’m not sure what school you went to or who taught you but nowhere in the science was there ever a viable theory that said the universe had stopped expanding. The universe was always found to be expanding and certainly not contracting. It was just theorised that the speed of expansion was slowing (this does not mean contracting rather expanding more slowly). The recent findings have indicated that the universe is not only expanding but it is doing it at an increasing rate.

    • HappyCynic says:

      02:57pm | 06/10/11

      @Adam

      See brane cosmology.  In theoretical physics, it’s necessary to view not only the universe but the dimensions outside the universe.  A membrane or brane, is a spatially extended mathematical concept that appears in string theory and related theories.  The membrane exists in a static number of dimensions.

      The central idea is that the visible, four-dimensional universe is restricted to a brane inside a higher-dimensional space, called the “bulk”.  If the additional dimensions are compact, then the observed universe contains the extra dimensions, and then no reference to the bulk is appropriate.  In the bulk model, at least some of the extra dimensions are extensive (possibly infinite), and other branes may be moving through this bulk.  Interactions with the bulk, and possibly with other branes, can influence our brane and thus introduce effects not seen in more standard cosmological models.

      It is primarily a theory that tries to explain why gravity is such a weak force when compared to the 3 other forces in the universe (electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear force) with the hypothesis being that gravity is not a weak force just that the 3 other forces are confined to this brane while gravity is not and much of its force is sent to the bulk.

    • JC says:

      01:19pm | 06/10/11

      I wonder, if the expansion of the universe increases in speed, will it at one point surpass the speed of light?
      I would think this would happen, it just won’t be for billions or even trillions of years, when there are no stars left.
      Is that when the next big bang happens? when all matter is travelling at the speed of light, collision is bound to happen.

      This is the kind of thing I think of before I fall asleep, wierd theories with no scientific basis behind it…  :/

    • Aaron says:

      01:36pm | 06/10/11

      I was under the impression that that had already happened. There’s nothing in our current understanding of astrophysics that says that regions of space cannot move faster than the speed of light, such as is theorised to be happening inside the event horizon of a black hole.

    • qeen observer of the captain Kirk says:

      03:43pm | 06/10/11

      It is not the universe getting crazy , the ideas of science “so called “are.
      Dark matter and dark energy are dark because nobody yet has seen them so they are used to explain and prove crazy religious ideas about the universe. And for all that we are paying of our hard earned taxes..

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      04:07pm | 06/10/11

      You write like yoda talks. How are these crazy religious ideas - these are scientists. I haven’t heard any religious ideology in all this -

    • Luce says:

      04:18pm | 06/10/11

      Tax dollars are better spent on astronomy research than they are on a public school chaplaincy program. Speaking of crazy religious ideas….

      P.S. the earth orbiting the sun was once a crazy idea (as was the world being a sphere instead of flat). Imagine where civilization would be if everyone just blindly accepted that.

    • qeen observer of ther kaptain Circ says:

      06:08pm | 06/10/11

      @MadKat:  if you look closely , you find some mystic eastern religious concepts in physics and astronomy (Tao and Hinduism). Do your research…

    • queen observer of the Kaptain of Kriegsmarine says:

      06:16pm | 06/10/11

      @Luce :  science so called can not explain what gravity exactly is. It can provide a formula but formula is not explanation yet..
      I do not think that the heliocentrism had any positive effect on civilisation at all , apart from questioning the authorirt of the BIble.Astronomer Aristarchus long, long time ago came upo with the idea of heliocentrism.
      Heliocentrism has not been yet scientifically proven as well , so I guess,  you better do your scientific research as well…

    • Andrew, northwest says:

      09:04am | 07/10/11

      @queen: heliocentrism has not been proven, in fact it has been quite thoroughly dis-proven in it’s formal sense:

      1) The universe does not revolve around the sun, and
      2) The sun is not even stationary with respect to the solar system, an effect that is used to detect planets around other stars.

    • John in Alice says:

      06:06pm | 06/10/11

      A simple fact that seems to have been ignored is that the galaxies observed are millions if not billions of light years distant.  The expansion/acceleration was happening that many years ago.  We have NO idea if that process has continued over those years or stopped or even reversed.  The universe could actually be collapsing and we would not see it happening until it was upon us.
      While I respect and admire the research it is folly to assume that whatever process is continuing today.  Our own Milky Way galaxy is 120 thousand years across - if most of the stars in it disappeared tomorrow no one alive today would ever be aware of it.

    • Dean says:

      01:12am | 07/10/11

      I don’t understand how the universe could be expanding, that would give the impression that it has an ending. Unless by ending they mean vast nothingness. As John has said above the universe that we are studying today is actually the universe of many years in the past we have no way of telling what is occurring today. We are using earth based figures we cannot hope to solve universe mysteries with such a limited knowledge of what else is out there.

 

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