This is the second in a series of essays adapted from the Centre for Policy Development book, More Than Luck: Ideas Australia needs now.

A Medicare credit card could make healthcare co-payments simpler and more affordable, writes Jennifer Doggett.

If you’ve ever been sick – really sick - in this country, you know that paying your medical bills isn’t cheap.

Illustration by Tom Jellet

It’s also complex. Health insurance seldom covers the full cost of a procedure, so patients often leave hospital with a big bill waiting for them. Some of it can be claimed back on Medicare; some of it can’t. As well as being expensive, medical expenses are difficult to understand and a huge waste of time and effort. And all when you’re supposed to be resting and recuperating! 

Our current system of health funding is failing. We spend more on health services every year and still many Australians miss out on the care they need.

An international survey of seven OECD countries in 2007 found that more Australians have problems affording health care than citizens of any country, apart from the United States.

A similar 2008 survey of chronically ill adults found that over a third (36%) of Australians with chronic conditions reported problems with accessing health care due to cost. Again, only the chronically dysfunctional US health system reported a worse rate.

The problem is not that we are spending too little on health care – we spend about the OECD average. The problem is the way in which we spend it. For instance, our public hospitals struggle to cope with demand. Yet one in eleven people who are admitted to hospital has a problem that could have been prevented or managed in the community.

In Australia, more than one in six dollars spent on health care comes directly out of consumers’ pockets. Individual payments are the third largest source of health funding (after Federal and State/Territory Governments) and make up a higher proportion of health funding in Australia than in many comparable OECD countries, including the USA, UK, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland, Japan and France.

These out-of-pocket costs are unpredictable and unfair. They often hit consumers when they are least able to pay, and make it difficult for people at risk of developing serious health problems to access preventive care. In some areas, like mental health, the very services that could do the most good are the most expensive and difficult to navigate.

Attempts to subsidise individual payments through private health insurance or safety-nets end up mainly in the pockets of the rich, or are eaten up in higher medical fees and administrative costs.

The result is a system which creates barriers to the most cost-effective forms of care and steers consumers towards the most expensive.

As a result, it’s now easier for many Australians to afford a plasma screen TV than some forms of health care. There is a reason for this: most retailers at the shopping mall are able to offer payment plans and other financing options that make it easier for consumers to buy. 

One of the most common options at Harvey Norman and other retailers is “pay nothing now.” Why can’t we do the same for health care? Removing up-front costs for health care, allowing patients to pay their bills off in installments, would have a number of advantages.

The evidence tells us that even when up-front health care costs appear small in isolation, they can create barriers for consumers with low incomes and patchy cash flows, let alone those already in debt or with multiple health care needs.

One way we could help remove these barriers is by helping consumers manage health care expenses by letting them pay for health care over time, with predictable and regular re-payments. We need to help consumers to manage health care costs the same way they manage their mortgages or
utilities bills.

What if the federal Government issued all consumers with a ‘Health Credit Card’ to pay for health goods and services without upfront payments? The Government would then assume responsibility for paying health care providers directly, subtract any subsidies from Medicare or other programs and bill consumers for the out-of-pocket costs.

Consumers would then receive one consolidated bill for all their health care expense incurred over a given period. This alone would make a big difference – reducing the thickets of invoices we now receive. It would also give us the option of paying costs in regular installments, with maximum payments capped according to our income level.

This would ensure that no consumer is prevented from accessing care due to cost and remove the current uncertainty and stress associated with high and unpredictable health and medical expenses.

It would also allow the creation of a single comprehensive safety-net for all health-related goods and services to target consumers who have difficulty affording health care. This would replace the existing Medicare and PBS safety-nets and the Medicare tax-offset - which are uncoordinated, poorly targeted and exclude many forms of health care.

And, using new health information technology systems the government is already rolling out,  it could be built into the next generation of Medicare cards, which most Australians are already familiar with.

A government-issued health credit card might sound scary to some. But if implemented fairly and competently, it would significantly improve both the equity and efficiency of our health system. It would also make a big difference to ordinary people’s ability to deal with complex and stressful medical expenses at a difficult time of their life. 

Jennifer Doggett is a health policy analyst and consultant who has worked in a number of different areas of the health system.

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    • Eric says:

      04:46am | 11/01/11

      This idea actually seems to make sense. I hope, though, there would be safeguards against people running up huge bills, and then skipping out on paying.

      Also, why would it necessarily be the government that manages health care credit cards? Surely a private company could do as well, or better. Governments are notoriously inefficient in money matters.

    • Super D says:

      07:02am | 11/01/11

      Repayment could be managed by giving the health debt first claim over a persons estate though this would be difficult to manage as there would need to be some process or mechanism to claw back pre-death gifting - a common feature of inheritance taxes.

      The main issue with a health “credit card” is how is a credit limit set and what happens when someone maxes out their limit?  If there is no limit then its a misnomer to describe it as a credit card.  The notion of extending credit presumes a capacity to repay.  Indeed the extension of credit to those who cannot repay is specifically outlawed under the new consumer credit laws. 

      If credit is limitless and is only repaid out of a persons estate then for those with few assets healthcare becomes essentially free which means that demand can then only be managed by queue (rather than price).  This means longer waiting lists and increased costs to taxpayers.

      Perhaps the answer is to just tell people to pawn their plasma TV and see how much they really value their healthcare.

    • Dobbieb says:

      10:06am | 11/01/11

      The first statement in this article is WRONG!!!! Full hospital cover , that is for all events which occur whilst an in patient in Hospital are covered by Medibank Private in their top cover. This costs us,$214 per month, a not unreasonable fee. Having had four stents, a pacemaker and a triple a operation and not paid an extra cent I can guarantee my statements.
      It also covers all ambulance transport.

    • Geoffrey Chaucer says:

      10:35am | 11/01/11

      The only reasons why a health credit card should not be placed in the hands of a private company are outrageous accounts administration fees and murderous interest rates.

      As to a health credit card, why not issue everybody with a chip-scan version of the standard Medicare card and use that as a health credit card?

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      10:40am | 11/01/11

      Dobbie

      I’ve been a Medibank Private member for deceads. Each time they change the top cover,  I switch to it or add the extra ‘‘extras’’ they’ve dreamt up. 
       
      However, unless I go to one of a select list of hospitals and have a procedure that is on their list, I am not 100% covered.

    • dobbieb says:

      01:09pm | 11/01/11

      Tony of Poorakistan, Maybe we have been lucky in the choice of hospitals. But the John Flynn at Tugun and Lismore Base as well as Lismore St Vincents where I have been have never charged a cent after presenting my Medibank Card. Just a thankyou and a smile. Very Pleasant.

    • acker says:

      05:14am | 11/01/11

      I hope you have taken into account some people might expire (die) before the debt on your medicare credit card expires. I also think it will encourage a lot of non essential medical procedures, ect and further clog the system..would you give a homeless person one of these cards ?

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:19am | 11/01/11

      We already have ‘health credit cards’ in the form of the Medicare Card!
      Of course, you ‘toffy-nosed’ folk who insist on being coddled when you are sick, even though you are not in your normal life, can never think of “sharing” a room with the great ‘unwashed.’
      Spare a moment for those in AMERICA who dare to mention “Health-Care.”
      For myself, I would like to see Medicare raised to 2% of everyone’s income, including Pensioners like me.
      The price and usage of diagnostic equipment has possibly doubled in the past 10 years.  Yet, Medicare is expected to manage on the same budget.
      How many of the commenters here have been a patient in a hospital in the past 12 months?  I have in QLD and the paperwork was the greatest activity I noticed.  Are they gathering data for efficiency analysis or covering their ‘backsides’?

    • Against the Man says:

      05:33am | 11/01/11

      Jennifer, nice idea, however we have the worst Federal health minister this country has ever seen. Don’t expect much from her. Health care needs to fail and people need to suffer even more before we will see change. The ALP has failed once again.

    • KH says:

      06:55am | 11/01/11

      Oh but things really improved under Howard, didn’t they….........oh wait…........well, you still have to if you are after elective surgery in most states - the queues haven’t got any shorter for the last 15-20 years.  It doesn’t matter who is in government - both sides are only interested in getting reelected next time - therefore there are no long term plans, no investment in infrastructure - just big flashy things that come and go, mostly around election time.  Don’t kid yourself into thinking that the Coalition would be doing any better here - they had 10 years and did nothing - another 3 won’t magically make them more competent in regards to healthcare in this country.

    • Shelton Waters says:

      06:57am | 11/01/11

      If you think the current Federal health minister is bad, you should have been around when Abbott had the position. He ripped billions out of the healthcare system and made private health care mandatory.
      Imagine how much harm he would do to ordinary Australians if he ever got to be PM.

    • acotrel says:

      07:29am | 11/01/11

      ’ however we have the worst Federal health minister this country has ever seen;

      I thought that title was held by Tony Abbott?

    • Jim says:

      07:32am | 11/01/11

      $96bn to repay after Keating left the building Shelton…money had to be ripped from everywhere…not just health. And heaven forbid people should pay for some of their medical expenses in the form of private cover!!!
      AtM - I personally think Roxon would be a good minister if she was given more control over her portfolio. I gained a lot of respect for her during the swine flu event, and lost all respect for KRudd who up until that time had been putting his face into every camera shot going. But as soon as bad news happened he left her high and dry to face the media alone.

    • Barry says:

      12:35pm | 11/01/11

      @KH, “elective surgery in most states” was managed by “those states” not the Feds. No more lies please (oh sorry, spin you would call it?).

    • Bobby with you says:

      12:55pm | 11/01/11

      Wait a minute Barry what about the 60/40 split in ALP funding and responsibility? I mean we all remember the great ALP lie of ‘the buck stops with KRudd’ and the ALP will take over 100% of health.

      Or what about Roxon siding with the Nurses unions against doctors only to have them bite her back with their current strikes and demands.

      Or the other issue in the Sydney Morning Herald this morning of medical grads from Australian unis not able to get a job/internship or the zero funding for their future training.

      That is right Barry, no more lies or spin, lets face it - Roxon and the ALP are as useless as they get.

    • Barry says:

      03:56pm | 11/01/11

      @ Bobby with you, well said. Perhaps the most successful lie that the ALP ever dreamed up was that state government incompetence and failure in health was somehow the fault of the Feds (specifically Howard). Unfortunately for Australia, the media and the electorate swallowed it hook line and sinker.

    • Nafe says:

      06:21am | 11/01/11

      I believe this is a good idea for a number of reasons
      1) ensure it is for health products only, will encourage people attend their local GP or get health help
      2) this would help get the country healthier and in the medium term would take the pressure off the public hospitals due to the reduction in more of the preventable diseases and procedures

      Sure you will expect some to abuse the systm a little but if we are to become healthier as a Nation, which in turn will lower our health bills, i think this may be worth a try.

    • Swampy says:

      07:06am | 11/01/11

      Whatever happened to the “Chronic Illness Healthcare Card” that gets talked about prior to elections but then quietly disappears? It would allow people with chronic illnesses to access medications and services required to manage their condition at the discounted healthcare card rate. Not only would it enable low income people with chronic illnesses to access the medications and services they require but it would save the Government and the taxpayer many times it’s cost in avoided hospital and emergency room presentations.

    • Seamus says:

      07:10am | 11/01/11

      How about we put an end to the ridiculous myth that government funded “private health insurance” keeps health costs down. It is interesting that the OECD also says that the countries that spend the most on health are those which have large private health sectors. These include of course the USA, Switzerland and Australia. One of the only ways we will be able to reduce rising health care costs is returning to a single funder government system. By doing this we can reduce the ridiculous over servicing that a large private health sector encourages.

    • acotrel says:

      07:36am | 11/01/11

      @Seamus.  If you’vre got private cover, and end up in a public hospital, keep your mouth shut about it, if you don’t want the big bill when you’re discharged! If you get sick in our town, you get sent to the public hospital in the next town for treatment.  If you’ve got private cover, they send you around the corner to a lower standard private hospital.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:05pm | 11/01/11

      @ Acotrel: I think that depends on what illness you’ve got and where you are, though.  I found with my wife and my parents that whenever we said the words “She’s a private patient” within a public hospital, the improvement and speed of care was so sudden and so dramatic it made our heads spin.  It was as if the nursing and admin staff suddenly noticed we existed.  Which is not to really give them that much credit, they’d probably been instructed that every private patient was an extra few bucks for the hospital so they were to be given priority - public hospitals love to charge up big to the insurance provider for private patients.

      However, and this was a pleasant way of getting our own back against the bureaucracy: our newborn child who was 10 weeks premature.  We’d been sent to the specialist maternity hospital of our State, which was also a public hospital, and we checked in as private patients. 

      Anyway, about 3 weeks after the (fortunately uneventful) birth of our child, and while she was still in the long-term care unit, a bureaucratic bookworm contacted my wife direct and announced they were “moving your baby.”

      Where? “Oh, to a public hospital closer to you.”  Even though she’s very premature and still in long term care? “Yes, it’s all arranged.”  Wait, does the public hospital have a specialist premature babies’ unit? “Well, it has a ward.”  If something goes wrong, do you treat her there? “No, we’d bring her back here for treatment.”  Even when it’s a good half an hour away by road? “Yes.”  Wouldn’t it make more sense medically to treat her here? “It’s not a problem, it always happens, we’re moving her.”  Do you have one of the specialist registrars down there? “No, it’s a locum.”  Does the registrar assigned to our baby visit that hospital.  “No, she only operates out of here.”

      Here’s where we got a bit clever, though:

      We’re on your system as private patients, aren’t we? “Yes.”  Well, under the private health care system, don’t we get our choice of doctor? “...er, yes…” But if you move our child to a hospital half an hour away, with no specialist unit, in (as it turned out) a “taxi that we use for this sort of thing”, to where that doctor can’t see our daughter because she doesn’t go to that hospital, does that not deny our choice of doctor? “...er…um…”

      Fine, then.  If you move us, we’re not electing to be treated as private patients anymore.  We’ll go back on the public system.
      “...um ... er ... I’ll see what I can do.”

      They didn’t move us.  In fact we heard nothing more about any proposed moves.
      Bastards.
      Let me be clear, I’ve no problem with quality of health care as such, especially in this particular hospital because they did right by us medically.

      But it’s a completely different story with admin.  But admin and bureaucrats don’t care about you, or your kid, or your kid’s health, and it seemed from the peremptory way we were initially treated that they did it to pretty well everyone who didn’t have enough gumption to stand up to them.  Even after that we got very chilly looks and the odd sarky remark from nursing staff, clearly because the word had been passed along.  (Although the care level remained the same - at least they had enough brains for that.)

    • acotrel says:

      07:25am | 11/01/11

      Does this mean that country doctors who currently refuse to bulk bill, would be subject to fee control?  Their union wouldn’t like that!

    • AdamC says:

      08:13am | 11/01/11

      This seems like a reasonably good idea, though the article simply dodges the obvious privacy issues such a card would raise.

      And isn’t the bigger problem how to fund growing healthcare costs as demographics and technology march on? This idea doesn’t address that. In my view, we need a system of lifetime health insurance which would operate how life insurance works today. That is, it would involve paying premiums throughout your working life to essentially save for and ensure your health costs later in life.

      I remember Costello suggested something similar (though based on a super/savings plan rather than lifetime insurance) ages ago, but nothing ever happened. Gillard should resurrect the idea.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:22am | 11/01/11

      1. You should be able to take out insurance that covers everything. No gap.
      2. Stop giving taxpayer-funded health care to foreigners. They should pay full fees.

    • KH says:

      08:34am | 11/01/11

      Well said.  It is really annoying that I pay for private cover, only to find that I am out of pocket all the time.  It could be more like a combo of life and car insurance - you can have an ‘excess’ but the insurance covers the rest.  Premiums go up as you get older, or you pay more for a lower excess and so on.  If you have private cover, it should cover everything.

      And agreed on the foreigners - If I got sick overseas and had no travel insurance, I would be a huge amount of debt…..........and rightly so - I don’t pay taxes there, so why should I reap the benefits?

    • Reg says:

      09:37am | 11/01/11

      @KH… ......”.and rightly so - I don’t pay taxes there, so why should I reap the benefits?”

      But there are such things as reciprocal agreements with certain enlightened countries in this world economy. Where no agreement exists, well .... just make sure you have your accident in the 3 month period of your insurance and that you dot every I and cross every T or the insurance company will laugh you out the door.

    • James1 says:

      01:39pm | 11/01/11

      2. The government only does that on a reciprocal basis with a few other countries that also have universal healthcare, like France, New Zealand and Canada.  We allow their citizens to access our system, they allow our citizens to access theirs.  Seems pretty fair to me.  What is your problem with this exactly?

    • dobbieb says:

      02:17pm | 11/01/11

      Tony, I’ve just written to you saying how I am completely covered by Medicare Private at their top level. This pays all hospital costs for any hospital care including drugs, anaesthetics the lot. It costs us $214.00 per months for two people. Medicare picks up most of the doctors bills or you find a medico who is prepared to bulk bill. Thats it. Medicines are a different ball game but even thatose are highly subsidised.

    • grumpy old man says:

      02:33pm | 11/01/11

      Tony, I think you’ll find ‘foreigners’don’t get full cover. When I first came to AU as a foreigner on a work visa, I was entitled to emergency care only, as the country I came from had a reciprocal arrangement with AU.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      02:41pm | 11/01/11

      James1

      oh yes? What about all these Iraqis and Somalians clagging up our obstetric facilities? And most of them lob with no medical history available and evidence of previous trauma, making it even more time-consuming

    • acotrel says:

      08:25am | 11/01/11

      How would a medical credit card alter the basic costs of delivering a health service?  It sounds like shuffling deck chairs.

    • Jotun says:

      07:31pm | 11/01/11

      It would take the initial costs off the patient, thereby meaning they can pay back their costs in a manageable manner.

    • Hamlyn says:

      08:58am | 11/01/11

      My nephew fell, hit his face and required stitches. My brother was shocked at the hospital cos they didnt even want to look at the young bloke without knowing how it was going to be paid for. He told them he didnt have cash on him and they asked for a credit card. Strangely enough, with blood gushing everywhere and a screaming child, a credit card wasnt the first thing they thought of. They live out of town in a small community. The sort of place where if you forget your wallet when going for milk they actually trust you to pay later!! There needs to be some way to get treatment especially for young families who cant pay till pay day.

    • Clovis says:

      09:06am | 11/01/11

      Surely the problem is with the basics? Most of the money is spent on cleaning up the problems caused by lack of preventative care. Dental problems are a cause of a large proportion of illnesses not obviously connected to our teeth, yet there is no free dental treatment.
      Free primary health care with penalties for refusal to cease activities that cause health problems, such as obesity, smoking, alcohol and other drug abuse, overwork, exhaustion… would see the eventual creation of a healthy society instead of the fat, depressed, neurotic, embittered, lonely miserable lot that are now clogging the health system.
      Then nationalise all hospitals and medical services and run them efficiently… it is possible, and keep medical fees to rational levels.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      09:17am | 11/01/11

      Then a Repo Man will come, and you’ll pay for that surgery, surgery…

    • Huey says:

      10:06am | 11/01/11

      Taxpayers pay into a health fund… it’s the medicare levy!  I don’t have private anymore and have a good income so I pay extra at Tax-time.  If the problem with the system was as easy as money ...just raise the ( what is really a quite small)  Medicare Levy.  Professional Associations. AMA, Colleges of Surgeons etc , State and Federal Empire builders, duplication of services, all add to the problems with delivery of health sevices.  Oh! and my Doctor says a $20.00 fee for treatment at Hospital Emergency Departments..(Refunded if admitted)  would slash treatment waiting times. He worked somewhere this was implemented. So in brief there is a National Health Insurance Scheme which all Taxpayers support..MEDICARE..or ..MEDIBANK
      forget what it’s called now. Buy out private health funds they only complicate our system and roll them all into Medicare Private. State Governments should have a good hard look at the books, then offer the Hospital system to the Feds (100% of funding and responsibility) see how that goes.

    • A.K.A. says:

      10:41am | 11/01/11

      New Zealand is awesome!

      I have been snowboarding there for the last 12 winters, usually for a couple of weeks at a time and once for 4 months.

      Now, I’m not the worlds best snowboarder, and at 33, I am definitely not as good as I used to be, or as resilient (these old bones etc).

      BUT, every time I have hurt myself, I have been blow away by the fact that everything has been covered by their health system.  This included ambulances, Xrays and even Physio sessions (and trust me, there have been plenty of them)!

      One time, I hurt myself, and whilst waiting for an Ambulance to come get me, someone hurt themselves really badly and they needed a helicopter.  I asked one of the Ski Patrol guys how much that would cost and he said it was completely free.  He also said because the Govt helicopter was busy, they had to charter one to come the the poor guy.

      I will never cease to be amazed by the health cover provided in NZ, and even to people who aren’t citizens. 

      It really makes me wonder why we aren’t able to have a similar system and why the system in the US is so shit?

      Kiwis…  Who woulda thunk it?

    • St. Michael says:

      01:35pm | 11/01/11

      That depends on how they pay for it.  And that depends on looking at the level of government debt in New Zealand combined with their income tax rates (which for present purposes we can assume is the mainstay of government revenues).

      New Zealand’s income tax rates: http://www.ird.govt.nz/how-to/taxrates-codes/itaxsalaryandwage-incometaxrates.html
      Australia’s income tax rates: http://www.youngandgrumpy.com/2009/05/australia-income-tax-rates-2010-2011.html

      Interestingly, this means all low income earners still pay tax: 10-12% in every dollar, whilst Australians don’t start paying tax until your income hits the $6,000 mark, where it’s 15%.  Between 14-48K, it’s roughly 19%.  48-70K, it’s 32%.  Above that it’s 35%, or if undeclared, you’re whacked for 47%.

      Australia, between 6-37K, it’s 15%.  37-80K, it’s 30%.  80-180K, it’s 37%, and above that it’s 45%.

      Which would mean that in New Zealand if you earn between 0 and $6,000, and then between $14,000 and $70,000 you’re being taxed heavier than under the Australian system.  Also true if you’re too dumb to fill out the Tax Declaration forms correctly, because you get hit for 47%, which again is higher than Australia.  True, incomes above $70,000 are taxed lighter than in Australia, but given the GDP per capita is about $31,067 (per Wikipedia) that would indicate most people are getting hit for more tax than Australia.

      On the other hand, their current account deficit has hovered around 6% of their GDP for the past 10 years or so.  This means, in fact, New Zealand spends more money than it draws in on taxes.  And like the US is about to find out, you can’t spend more than you earn forever.

      Interestingly, in a statement which probably the socialists and free-marketeers alike will be grinding their teeth on, New Zealand was said by the World Bank to be the most business-friendly country in the world—even ahead the Far Right’s darling, Singapore.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:54pm | 11/01/11

      That’s because the Kiwis have been freeloading off the Australians for decades in terms of migration, CER and welfare. The greatest export of New Zealand is Kiwis to Australia. Benefit to Australia is nil.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:51am | 11/01/11

      Cut costs on medical administration, pharmaceuticals and medical equipment (all costs greatly over inflated). Remove liability from the medical profession which greatly inflates costs in malpractice insurance and unnecessary diagnostic procedures. Stop subsidizing private health insurance which grossly distorts that sector. Fine or penalize people who use emergency departments in hospitals for quick access, not emergencies. A lot more preventative medicine to prevent costly medical procedures down the track. Increase the supply of medical practitioners by training more in Australia, rather than importing substandard ones from overseas…

    • DanieL says:

      11:18am | 11/01/11

      I can’t afford private health insurance.
      After rent, food and bills there is not enough left. If I was to get unexpectedly ill I have to take the financial blow. Not only that I am acutely aware as I get older my ability to afford private healthcare slips away due to extra charges for each year over 30.

      I totally support a more nationalised system that is funded through a higher medicare levy. It is forced cover levied at a percentage of income. Failing that the credit card Idea with capped repayments at a proportion of income like HECS will remove the financial barriers to early medical intervention.

    • jf says:

      12:25pm | 11/01/11

      If you were to get unexpectedly ill you would be well cared for by one of the excellent hospitals run by the generally excellent state government health departments. There is a very good chance that you would be one of the extraordinarily high percentage of people who are treated by the health system and not one of the very low number of people who have a poor experience in a profession which is complex and complicated.

    • guy lee hanlon says:

      11:32am | 11/01/11

      Is a medicare credit card a dog’s breakfast ?Every dog has its day.Its a dog’s life. Who let the dogs out?

    • Gregg says:

      12:13pm | 11/01/11

      Contrary to a few if not the majority thinking this is a good idea Jennifer, I reckon it is more Dodgy than Doggett.
      And a comparison with just seven countries!

      But to the nucleus of the idea and it’s another credit card!!!!!!!!!

      As Eric rightly points out, some governments are abysmally poor when it comes to management of finances and then there are hordes of people who have just no responsibility concept when it comes to credit cards and many also have little responsibility when it comes to looking after their own health and that can have enormous flow on effect for community medical costs.

      Take a prime time example and seeing as there’s another article on it,
      . MYass !!!!!!!!! and that equates also to Hungry Jack don’t Shit all!
      Yep bulk fast food eating creates all kinds of problems both short term and long term and it’s not just the bulk, obesity, clogged arteries nor diabetes etc.
      I can tell you it’s a fact that so many Mummies, being kind of dummies too take the little Johnnies and Annies along to see a Doc. at a practice or waiting in Outpatients because they have a tummyache.

      A Doc, covering his MYass will order an Xray and guess what most Xrays discover??
      Yep, Just Junkfood Constipation, that Junk not getting through to get out the fat MY asses.

      Yep, overservicing is rampant, not so much because Doctors love it, though some will for the income but more because of an irresponsibility accumulation.

      And you want to issue a credit card for people so they do give the seeing a Doctor even less thought.
      And who pray tell, will end up paying for the credit that people using the cards cannot pay for?

      General revenue, the taxpayer, that’s who.
      You have a real mish mash of ideas there Jennifer and I think people may have been kind to you as a newbie.

    • jf says:

      01:08pm | 11/01/11

      “paying your medical bills isn’t cheap.”

      Perhaps this has more to with the ridiculously high incomes (underwritten by Medicare) enjoyed by our doctors, particularly specialists, due to the chronic shortage of doctors, particularly specialist. More doctors and lower cost options such as Nurse Practitioners for simpler problems seems like a good start to addressing this issue, amongst many more faced by our, generally and by world standards, very good health system.

      A survey of seven countries “found that more Australians have problems affording health care than citizens of any country”. Which countries? Were they the seven countries that had the best or the worst health systems? Were the seven countries that had the best or worst health systems?

      “In Australia, more than one in six dollars spent on health care comes directly out of consumers’ pockets.”

      No, six out of six dollars comes out of consumers’ pockets. It’s just that five of those dollars go through the bureaucracy first.

      “As a result, it’s now easier for many Australians to afford a plasma screen TV than some forms of health care. There is a reason for this: most retailers at the shopping mall are able to offer payment plans and other financing options that make it easier for consumers to buy.”
       
      No it’s not. It’s that technology, availability and competition has made them cheaper. Now maybe that’s a lesson for our health sector. Better use of technology and more of practitioners.

      “One of the most common options at Harvey Norman and other retailers is “pay nothing now.” Why can’t we do the same for health care?”

      Because the experiene of the last three years showed that the “pay nothing now” approach resulted in the unintended consequences of over-consumerism and chronic personal, corporate and government debt. A very poor analogy indeed. 

      “One way we could help remove these barriers is by helping consumers manage health care expenses by letting them pay for health care over time, with predictable and regular re-payments.”

      Or by creating an efficient, well-funded safety net for the genuinely needy and vulnerable with those that can afford it paying their own way and insuring that if they so choose to do so.

      This idea has merit if it does mean that it is a genuine safety net and not middle class welfare, if it reduces bureaucracy and if it makes health-care more accessible. I can see that it may address the first two. Sadly, I fear that the final issue is the greatest and a problem that can only be solved by increasing the number of practitioners by (a) training more doctors and (b) increasing the number, availability and mandate of nurse practitioners.

    • SR86 says:

      01:46pm | 11/01/11

      Maybe the government should also look at not allowing Medicare to pay rebates for completely unnecessary procedures such as circumcisions of males under 6 months of age for no reason other than parents want it done. They could also look at tightening up the claiming rules for botox injections

    • the Liberal Loafer says:

      03:24pm | 11/01/11

      medicare credit cards would be really great for all Liberal Loafers and all chick magnets.
      chicks are sick of older males showing them their mobile phones, their dole cheques, their ear rings and their tattoos.
      chicks need something new . Boys are boring without Australia Cards.
      Chicks rule blokes Ok.

    • persephone says:

      04:11pm | 11/01/11

      I thought this series of articles were supposed to outline fundamental changes to the way our country operates?

      Sorry, but a credit card for health needs scarcely seems to be an earth shattering change to life as we know it.

      Firstly, I’ve never had a problem with medical charges, despite two major operations and two children. Didn’t pay a cent for my care in any of those occasions, and it was first class. (Of course, I don’t have private health insurance!)

      Secondly, how exactly would this help improve things? The amount of money you owe is exactly the same, and will have to be paid sometime. And you run the risk of encouraging non essential use of health services if people can put payment for them on the never never.

      Doesn’t hurt for people to have to stop and think whether that visit to the doctor - or that operation - is really necessary.

      Thirdly, something like this is in operation already. At my doctor’s surgery, the money to pay the doctor is taken out of my account and within seconds the Medicare rebate goes in.

      Really, if this is the solution to our health problems, we don’t really have any.

    • Sherekahn says:

      08:47am | 12/01/11

      At last Persephone.  Someone who is not a ‘whinger.’  Someone rational enough to realise how fortunate we are in Australia.
      Mind you, yours is one of the few comments that is not bound up with hideous Politicking, very refreshing.

    • marley says:

      03:11pm | 12/01/11

      Well, to be fair, your experience isn’t a universal one.  It costs me $26 every time I see my GP - because medicare only rebates $34 of his $60 fee.  And he’s the only doctor in town, so it’s not like we get options.  When I saw a specialist, Medicare reimbursed me (if I recall) about $90 of a $170 bill.  And when I needed an ultrasound, they paid out $170 of a $400 bill. 

      I had to get an ambulance for my husband one night - and ultimately paid $600 above and beyond what was covered by the medical system.

      Fortunately, we’re in a position to pay these charges (and we’ve recently taken out private insurance - we’re getting along in years!) but not everyone is.  And I wouldn’t want to have to hesitate about calling an ambulance because I couldn’t pay the bill.

      So, perhaps some sort of credit card system is warranted, combined with a higher medicare levy. 

      But frankly, the real issue I have with the medical system isn’t the cost so much as the difficulty of getting access to services unless you live in a major city.

    • dead to me says:

      04:39pm | 11/01/11

      The problem with the Roxon way is that she is complicating an already complex health system with added layers of unnecessery /unqualified staff and administrators. I think she like Garrett needs to be replaced. Health is in trouble, the solution isn’t going to come from Roxon.

    • Alive and Well says:

      06:24pm | 11/01/11

      I think the problem Roxon is having is related to the Liberal party of blockers and wreckers.
      These wreckers need to go so she can deliver the solution.

    • Jennifer Doggett says:

      12:33pm | 12/01/11

      Persephone - you have highlighted exactly one of the problems with our health system. Many people experience no problems with out of pocket expenses when accessing healthcare - in particular those with conditions treated in public hopsitals. However, others with different conditions - often chronic diseases requiring care from community-based health providers - can face very high our-of-pocket expenses which can cause problems for them in affording care. For example, people with cystic fibrosis often need to take a large number of vitamins, nutritional supplements and fortified foods every day for their entire lives. These are not covered by either Medicare, the PBS or private health insurance. A health credit card could help these people budget for their expenses and will also support the development of a single safety-net for health care to assist those with high out-of-pocket costs.

    • persephone says:

      01:53pm | 12/01/11

      Jennifer

      not contesting a thing you say here, but if the proposal is to run up a credit bill for food, then you can already do this.

      This would not help reduce the expenses of the people you refer to in any way.

      The expenses you outline - vitamins, supplements, special food - would not be able to be booked up on a health credit card, just as they can’t be booked up as a medical expense at present.

      So this isn’t a solution to the problems you outline. If it was, they’d simply use their credit card now.

    • Jennifer Doggett says:

      12:43pm | 12/01/11

      Eric, acker and others – the point about people not paying back their health credit card debt is an important one. It is certainly true that people may use more health services than they can afford and die before they can pay their debt back. There is potential – as you point out – for the debt to be taken out of people’s estate. Currently, many older people have problems affording health care despite the fact that they have substantial illiquid assets (eg their family home) that it is difficult to access while they are alive. Also, there are other mechanisms that could be put into place to deter over-use – small up-front co-payments for example. Those people who default on their repayments could have their usage restricted to essential services. I think the most important issue however is to compare this potential problem with our current situation where many people simply miss out on health care because of the cost. We need to ask ourselves as a community whether or not we would prefer to absorb the cost of some people who use care they can’t afford or prevent those with genuine need from accessing care?

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:49pm | 12/01/11

      This article does very little to address an extremely complex issue.  I’m not sure where the article is heading. Are you trying to address the service supply /revenue side or the cost side. You achieve neither though you seem to suggest the credit card option will help pay bills. It may, but will the overheads of administering the card outweigh the benefit.  You seem to be targeting the lower income folks but will they ever be able to pay the bill if say power bills continue to soar. On one hand you say that we currently struggle with the load and then go on to say that a CC will enable more people access to those services. 

      You say that “Our current system of health funding is failing. We spend more on health services every year and still many Australians miss out on the care they need.” This implies that we are throwing more and more money at the problem. But you then say that “The problem is not that we are spending too little on health care – we spend about the OECD average.”So we are spending the right amount. So the spend side isn’t the core problem. It is how it is spent.
      On that basis I think you are getting close to the *how* the money is spent when you say “Yet one in eleven people who are admitted to hospital has a problem that could have been prevented or managed in the community.” - most probably at a significantly lower cost.

      A couple of observations / suggestions –
      •  Make the Federal government fully accountable for health care. Take the middleman ie states out of the equation
      •  “…. it’s now easier for many Australians to afford a plasma screen TV than some forms of health care.” Based on this many Australian have their priorities screwed up and
      •  Why compare us against 7 OECD countries why not the 34 odd OECD countries. How do we rate against all of those countries?

      If I had the choice of which hospital system on this planet I’d want to be admitted & treated in there is no hesitation - Australia. It may not be perfect and there is much that can be done to improve it but I would not say that it was “failing”. Having experienced it first hand, it is frightening how one OECD country in the EU ran their hospitals. What I saw makes our hospital look like 5 star hotels with 5 star service.

    • Jennifer Doggett says:

      08:30pm | 12/01/11

      Persephone – there are a few problems in using a regular credit card for health expenses for many people most impacted by out-of-pocket health care costs (although as you point out this is an option for some). Many people facing the highest health care costs do not have a credit card because they don’t earn enough money to qualify (many people with chronic illnesses have difficulty finding stable employment due to their condition). Many others have credit cards which are already at their limit or close to it and they rely on being able to use this credit for other essential living expenses when they get sick. Also, credit cards typically require repayments based on the size of the debt and charge high interest rates and other penalties for long repayments. This discriminates against the sickest and poorest – something I believe the Australian community does not support (although of course I could be wrong). A health-specific credit card would enable repayments to be linked to income so that people on low incomes are not penalised for taking longer to pay back their health care costs. It would also have a zero or reduced interest rate. We don’t ask uni students to put their tuition fees on their Mastercard – we have HECS (or similar). Neither should we expect people with serious illnesses to have to go into interest-bearing debt to pay for essential health care.

    • persephone says:

      12:54pm | 13/01/11

      Jennifer

      and, as you know, many of these people are never going to get better. They’re never going to stop needing the support, and they’re never going to be able to earn an income.

      So you’re proposing that we put further costs on the health system by letting chronically ill people book up as much costs as they like without ever expecting these to be paid back.

      And you seem to be extending the definition of health costs to food, which gives them a wide latitude to book up costs.

      It wouldn’t be at all difficult for someone who was chronically ill to book up a couple of hundred thousand dollars of expenses in a relatively short time period.

      The only other alternative would be that either a limit would have to be set - which sort of just defers the problem - or that, at some stage, payment of the debt would have to be enforced.

      As I don’t see either of those things happening, all your proposal is doing is taking further funds out of the general health system.

      If the problem is short term, there are a range of options open to the patient, including (as I’ve said) using their own credit card. If the problem is long term, this isn’t a solution at all.

      If you simply want to give chronically ill people more government money to help them with their living expenses, just say so.

      It would be simpler and cheaper than what you are proposing.

    • wally says:

      08:44am | 13/01/11

      A big idea that is compltely at odds with fixing the real issues in health. So the Govt would assume the credit risk for a whole part of the health economy is currently does not by creating an expectation of capped out of pockets, by introducing a credit card.

      Surely if you want to limit exposure to out of pockets, and we have good data on what they are,  there are at least 3 ways of doing that without such an expensive system that would add next to no value to the consumer. The problem is that this kind of policy analysis avoids dealing the the underlting reasons we have inefficient service delivery, and hence the need for out of pockets, and is frankly counterproductive.

    • Colin Fraser says:

      06:47am | 31/01/11

      This is another one of those “Gee what a good idea” articles that are actually meaningless. I agree that we do things very wrong but the fact is that we have never really defined what “health care” is. What do we mean by health care? Minimizing bubonic plague and malaria outbreaks by keeping our streets and houses clean and deep drainage is public health, health care, but is dental, mental? Why are these not considered part of general health care? What about making sure that older people on fixed incomes have access to decent and timely health care without paying exorbitant amounts of money to health insurers?

      Current practice is based in the American principle, you pay or you die. This suits their pharmaceutical and health insurance companies. They make it so expensive that is is only available to the wealthy, after all, the poor have no role in society other than to be canon fodder in our wars or servants - and cannot be considered as contributing to profits.

      Looking at our practices, and history, it is clear that since the “re-introduction” of private health insurers the cost of health care has gone up. The drain on the public purse these private companies have made, btw,if anyone is interested, is considerable. No government is willing to change that now. the Libs wont because it guarantees profits to the health insurers, ie large donations to the Liberal party, and Labor wont because it does not have the leadership or courage to do so. This is the real reason why this article is meaningless, it does not suggest anything other than to put further costs onto the very people who can least afford them. This is a toe the line article, devoid of conscience.

 

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